Re: [Felvtalk] FIV

[dlgegg]

tHE ONLY PROBLEM MY GUYS HAVE IS BOREDOM.  iT HAS BEEN COLD, SNOWY AND WINDY.  
HARLEY WHO USUALLY GOES OUT NO MATTER WHAT JUST GOES TO THE DOOR, THE WIND HITS 
HIM AND HE BACKS UP.  WE HAVE LOTS OF AMAZON BOXES, TUNNELS AND A LIGHT TO 
CHASE.

 Lorrie  wrote: 
> 
> I've not seen any posts for weeks, until a few days ago.
> I hope this means all our cats are doing well.
> 
> BTW - FIV is not at all as dangerous a FelV.
> 
> I hope more people adopt these FIV cats, but unfortunately the average
> person, who is not well informed, is is just as afraid of FIV.
> 
> 
> Lorrie
> 
> On 12-27, Amani Oakley wrote:
> > Hi Bob
> > 
> > I have only seen two other posts this past week, other than one I
> > posted in reply to one of those two posts. Other than that, I
> > haven't received any emails in weeks.
> > 
> > Amani
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question

[dlgegg]

Are vet schools doing much to find a cure?

 Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> Yes Ardy. FIV is also a death sentence, more often than not, for afflicted 
> cats. And again, there is very little in the veterinary arsenal to combat it.
> 
> Amani
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy 
> Robertson
> Sent: December-03-17 12:00 PM
> To: 'Margo'; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question
> 
> Margo - I don't know much about FIV - is that fatal as often as FeLV?
> 
> Thank you,
> Ardy 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 5:36 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question
> 
> 
> Transmission of FeLV takes prolonged contact between cats; sharing food, 
> water and litterboxes, and often mutual grooming. It is NOT transmitted other 
> than by physical contact. 
> 
> Easiest way for me to differentiate between that and FIV transmission;
> 
> "FeLV is a disease of friends, FIV is a disease of enemies"
> 
> FelV spreads thru close friendly contact
> 
> FIV spreads by deep bite wounds (or sexual contact, but all our animals are 
> altered...right?)
> 
> Margo
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> >From: dlg...@windstream.net
> >Sent: Nov 29, 2017 12:16 PM
> >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question
> >
> >Since the vet is not worried, why should you?  I thought about that when I 
> >took Annie in.
> >
> > Ardy Robertson  wrote: 
> >> I always wondered about it when I took Tigger to the vet. I kept him in 
> >> his carrier until we went into the exam room, but the vets never seemed 
> >> concerned about spreading it to the other patients.
> >
> >Ardy
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
> >Of Theresa O'Rourke
> >Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:34 PM
> >To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question
> >
> >Thank you Lorrie,
> >
> >So happy I joined this group.
> >I’ll keep the cat for a week, spoil him, not mix him with Other cat’s, And 
> >clean well after, The room will be left empty for 7 days after.
> >However, I won’t do this again,
> >Because I have other people’s cats in separate room and Won’t go through 
> >this again! ☺️☺️ I’ll even change my clothes when I go in and out, But sure 
> >that is NOT NECESSARY.
> >IF it was just my cat’s, I have three of my own, I wouldn’t be so 
> >neurotic. 😊
> >
> >
> >Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On Nov 23, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Lorrie  wrote:
> >> 
> >> This is my experience too.  I've had FelV cats who lived to be 8 or 9
> >> and one of my FelV cats is about 11 and still OK.   These cats lived
> >> with many other negative cats.  These were adult cats... I understand 
> >> FelV is most dangerous to kittens whose immune systems are not fully 
> >> developed.
> >> 
> >> Lorrie
> >> 
> >>> On 11-22, Amani Oakley wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was 
> >>> infected, despite the fact that our vet initially said that the 
> >>> infection would decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.) 
> >>> That was the case event though we never isolated our FeLV little boy 
> >>> (it would have been fairly pointless as he had already been in the 
> >>> house almost a year by then) and even though he played with and 
> >>> groomed several of the other cats in the house. I have since read 
> >>> repeatedly that it really isn???t that infectious, especially with 
> >>> adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens.
> >>> 
> >>> Amani
> >>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question

[dlgegg]

Re:  spay/neuter, First I give them 2 weeks for an owner to show up and then it 
is off to the vet for an exam and spay/neuter.  I do not want to be a 
contributor to unwanted kittens/puppies plus they will live longer healthier 
lives.

 Margo  wrote: 
> 
Transmission of FeLV takes prolonged contact between cats; sharing food, water 
and litterboxes, and often mutual grooming. It is NOT transmitted other than by 
physical contact. 

Easiest way for me to differentiate between that and FIV transmission;

"FeLV is a disease of friends, FIV is a disease of enemies"

FelV spreads thru close friendly contact

FIV spreads by deep bite wounds (or sexual contact, but all our animals are 
altered...right?)

Margo



-Original Message-
>From: dlg...@windstream.net
>Sent: Nov 29, 2017 12:16 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question
>
>Since the vet is not worried, why should you?  I thought about that when I 
>took Annie in.
>
> Ardy Robertson  wrote: 
>> I always wondered about it when I took Tigger to the vet. I kept him in his 
>> carrier until we went into the exam room, but the vets never seemed 
>> concerned about spreading it to the other patients.
>
>Ardy
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
>Theresa O'Rourke
>Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:34 PM
>To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question
>
>Thank you Lorrie,
>
>So happy I joined this group.
>I’ll keep the cat for a week, spoil him, not mix him with Other cat’s, And 
>clean well after, The room will be left empty for 7 days after.
>However, I won’t do this again,
>Because I have other people’s cats in separate room and Won’t go through this 
>again! ☺️☺️ I’ll even change my clothes when I go in and out, But sure that is 
>NOT NECESSARY.
>IF it was just my cat’s, I have three of my own, I wouldn’t be so neurotic. 😊
>
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Nov 23, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Lorrie  wrote:
>> 
>> This is my experience too.  I've had FelV cats who lived to be 8 or 9
>> and one of my FelV cats is about 11 and still OK.   These cats lived
>> with many other negative cats.  These were adult cats... I understand
>> FelV is most dangerous to kittens whose immune systems are not fully
>> developed.
>> 
>> Lorrie 
>> 
>>> On 11-22, Amani Oakley wrote:
>>> 
>>> We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was
>>> infected, despite the fact that our vet initially said that the
>>> infection would decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.)
>>> That was the case event though we never isolated our FeLV little
>>> boy (it would have been fairly pointless as he had already been in
>>> the house almost a year by then) and even though he played with and
>>> groomed several of the other cats in the house. I have since read
>>> repeatedly that it really isn???t that infectious, especially with
>>> adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens.
>>> 
>>> Amani
>>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question

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Since the vet is not worried, why should you?  I thought about that when I took 
Annie in.

 Ardy Robertson  wrote: 
> I always wondered about it when I took Tigger to the vet. I kept him in his 
> carrier until we went into the exam room, but the vets never seemed concerned 
> about spreading it to the other patients.

Ardy

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Theresa O'Rourke
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:34 PM
To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question

Thank you Lorrie,

So happy I joined this group.
I’ll keep the cat for a week, spoil him, not mix him with Other cat’s, And 
clean well after, The room will be left empty for 7 days after.
However, I won’t do this again,
Because I have other people’s cats in separate room and Won’t go through this 
again! ☺️☺️ I’ll even change my clothes when I go in and out, But sure that is 
NOT NECESSARY.
IF it was just my cat’s, I have three of my own, I wouldn’t be so neurotic. 😊


Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 23, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Lorrie  wrote:
> 
> This is my experience too.  I've had FelV cats who lived to be 8 or 9
> and one of my FelV cats is about 11 and still OK.   These cats lived
> with many other negative cats.  These were adult cats... I understand
> FelV is most dangerous to kittens whose immune systems are not fully
> developed.
> 
> Lorrie 
> 
>> On 11-22, Amani Oakley wrote:
>> 
>> We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was
>> infected, despite the fact that our vet initially said that the
>> infection would decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.)
>> That was the case event though we never isolated our FeLV little
>> boy (it would have been fairly pointless as he had already been in
>> the house almost a year by then) and even though he played with and
>> groomed several of the other cats in the house. I have since read
>> repeatedly that it really isn???t that infectious, especially with
>> adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens.
>> 
>> Amani
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question

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I have had feral and dump cats for over 40 years, including 4 FELV cats.  I 
have never had to wash anything when one of them passed.  None of my FELV 
negative cats ever contracted the disease and all have died of old age 
including Annie who was FELV and over 10 years.  They eat from the same bowls, 
sleep on the same beds.  It has to do with the age of the cts.  If your cts are 
under 1 year, they are more likely to contract the disease because their imune 
system is not as strong.

 Theresa O'Rourke  wrote: 
> I have three cats, and take care of other people’s cats.
My daughter’s friend has a FeLV positive cat, can I keep her in a separate room 
for a week, do I have to wash all the linens and clean the room, after the cat 
goes back home?  It’s because I take care of other  friend’s cats also and want 
to know if they can catch
The disease. 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help

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Times like this I would like to be able to just slug them without suffering the 
consequences.
Maybe they should get their ears washed out and their minds opened up.

 Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> Totally irate. It was just so clear that they weren't prepared to look at 
> Winstrol in a new light - even with me holding a stack of serial weekly lab 
> results in my hand. 
> 
> Amani
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy 
> Robertson
> Sent: November-04-17 7:43 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
> help
> 
> Amani - you must have been irate when they said well maybe it wasn't FeLV in 
> the first place -- after they repeatedly told you to put Zander 
> down.ardy
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Amani Oakley
> Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2017 10:04 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
> help
> 
> Hi Ken
> 
> I couldn’t agree with you more, but I fear that the scientific/medical 
> evidence is thin because of the really stupid study done a decade ago, which 
> gave three cats massive doses of Winstrol (same levels as given to sled dogs) 
> and reported the resulting elevation of liver enzymes. And then, of course, 
> there is the unhelpful connection to the athletic doping scandals. Studies 
> looking into the effects of Winstrol are therefore few and far between 
> (though I have found a few). Moreover, a physician friend of mine explained 
> to me that once a drug is off-patent (as Winstrol is) then the drug companies 
> can make very little money from it, and so they will not spend money to set 
> up clinical trials, and will instead push other related drugs that are still 
> covered by a patent, so they make more money on the sale of those other drugs.
> 
> The problem is that, as far as I can determine to date, though there are lots 
> of anabolic steroids, Winstrol is the only one that seems to have this effect 
> on bone marrow to cause it to grow, create new cells, regenerate, etc, which 
> in turn causes the production of red cells, white cells and platelets from 
> the activated bone marrow. In addition, Winstrol is considered to have very 
> mild side effects in comparison to other anabolic steroids. Winstrol is also 
> found to be very quickly effective. Most of those athletes who will speak 
> about steroid use, confirm that Winstrol is one of the most effective and 
> safest of the drugs (and remember that athletes who are using steroids use 
> them at hundreds if not thousands of times the recommended doses, and they 
> "stack" them will all sorts of other steroids).
> 
> I also found, with my own vets, that even with solid proof in front of their 
> own eyes (with cats condemned to death, showing an amazing recovery), they 
> will often look for other explanations other than that it was the Winstrol. 
> As I mentioned with my little Zander, after being told by every vet I spoke 
> with that there was nothing I could do and Zander was going to die (and best 
> to put him down immediately), and being able to show serial blood results 
> weekly which showed a clear improvement from critical haematology values to 
> normal results, at the end of it all, I start hearing things like, "well 
> maybe it was never FeLV in the first place".
> 
> I agree that the way to start turning this around, for all of us who have had 
> good results or who may have a cat in the unenviable situation of having 
> little or no other options, is to speak with our vets about Winstrol. As I 
> have mentioned in previous posts, I have now used Winstrol, usually in 
> combination with at least the prednisone (with the doxycycline being added on 
> in circumstances involving something likely infectious), for a range of cat 
> problems and have had excellent results every time but once. One case was a 
> 16 year old cat with a nasal sarcoma (kept the sarcoma from causing severe 
> facial swelling, and kept my cat eating for another two years); one case was 
> a cat who came from a feral colony which I later found out had had FIV 
> rampaging through it and killing all the cats (and she came to me EXTREMELY 
> ill with a sky-high fever, tympanic abdomen and fluid around her lungs - she 
> survived when I thought there was no hope at all, and she's still with me 
> now); I have used it to avoid knee surgery for Zander when he pulled his 
> cruciate ligament; and am I currently using it now to treat a spinal lesion 
> in Pippin - a three-year old who gets flair-ups of neurological problems 
> which I tracked to a spinal lesion, and when the lesion causes swelling, 
> etc., the symptoms reappear. The combination of prednisone and Winstrol 
> appears to be the only thing that reverses the effects of the lesio

Re: [Felvtalk] Grieving for K

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Dear, sweet Krammer, you lived and loved well, time for your reward.
 kat  wrote: 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Compiled info on Winstrol

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Thank you.

 kresch...@mchsi.com wrote: 
> I found them. I'll edit out address material and put all the pieces together 
> as one dossier on the subject. Looks like you've done a massive amount of 
> research! I believe if we offer this to our vets, they just may start to take 
> nbotice. I'll get this out over the weekend.
Ken 
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Sent: Sat, 04 Nov 2017 11:03:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Compiled info on Winstrol

I sent it already. There were  a lot of attachments, so check your Junk Mailbox 
in case it ended up in there.

Amani

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kresch...@mchsi.com
Sent: November-04-17 11:02 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Hi Amani,
Yes, send what you have to kresch...@mchsi.com and I'll add them to our chat 
pieces and resend the whole "dossier" as an attachment to the chat line.
Ken
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Sent: Sat, 04 Nov 2017 10:13:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Compiled info on Winstrol

I will email you directly with a bunch of other articles I have compiled, 
including the original scientific publication which appears to have started the 
whole hysteria regarding liver failure in cats being caused by Winstrol. I have 
highlighted and notated the study so you can see how very poorly designed the 
study is, and the serious flaws with their logic and conclusions.

I don’t think I can post attachments to this chatline.

Amani 

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Dear Kitty Friends,
I've attached a number of exchanges regarding the use of Winstrol to combat 
FeLV. I;m taking my compilation to my vet and telling her (well firmly asking) 
to read through the information and begin to do her own research. Our vets need 
to do at least two pieces of research/investigation. First, they need to 
research the efficacy of using steroids on cats and secondly, they need to find 
legal supply routes to obtain Winstrol/Stargate. If I've missed any significant 
parts of our exchanges, please tell me and resend those parts. I'll add them to 
what we have and it will all be in one place. Thanks to all  of you for 
weighing in on this critical subject 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help

[dlgegg]

I also like this.

 Margo  wrote: 
> 
Hi Ken,

  Would you be willing to share your compilation so others could print for 
their Vets, as well? I keep trying to get it all together, but I can't seem to 
be cohesive.

  I think it would be very helpful :)

Thanks, 

Margo



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>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
>help
>
>Good Morningh all--
>I've been following the posts to Marlene and others regarding 
>Winstrol/Stargate. I began following when my feral-turned-wonderful-domestic 
>Tuxedo, Zorro, became ill with FeLV. We tried the Prednisolone route and he 
>perked up for a week or so but then just slept more and more as his red count 
>bottomed out. I laid next to him as he died and shared that with all of you at 
>that time. What I'm writing about now is what we must do for future cats that 
>may contract FeLV. I have printed the pertinent information that began with 
>Amani and then others regarding Winstrol and Stargate minus any links and 
>email addresses. I am taking this info to my Vet and telling her to start her 
>research immediately. I will also tell her she could be the first Vet in our 
>area to truly treat our kitties with a drug that works. If we all present the 
>information we've been sharing we will begin a ground-swell of interest and 
>hope.
>Ken
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>Sent: Thu, 02 Nov 2017 09:21:32 -0400 (EDT)
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
>help
>
>Prayers for you and your baby.
>
> marlene melpignano  wrote: 
>> Dear all,
>> Good news: Winstrol is legal in Italy for animals and is called stargate. I 
>> found a pharmacist who can send it to me in Belgium or I will go to Rome 
>> myself on Saturday, he also said it is highly used in Italy for felv cats.
>> What is better, pills or injections? 
>> I thought of pills to cause less stress, but I read it may be more toxic for 
>> the liver compared to the injectable one .
>> I am also bringing the cat to a French specialised clinic this afternoon 
>> just to  get a better opinion than the Belgian one.
>> 
>> Thanks all for your support.
>> Best
>> M&M
>> 
>> Inviato da iPhone
>> 
>> > Il giorno 02 nov 2017, alle ore 05:28, Ardy Robertson 
>> >  ha scritto:
>> > 
>> > Marlene - My Tigger had an active leukemia when I began Winstrol, based on 
>> > his bloodwork. and he also was not eating. I gave him an appetite 
>> > stimulant called Mirtazapine, only a half of a 7.5 mg tablet, every 3rd 
>> > day, and that boosted his appetite. I also fed him the canned cat food 
>> > that they sell for after surgeries - it is very calorie dense but I don't 
>> > remember the name of it. Sometimes I had to clip a towel around him and 
>> > syringe feed him a little. I did not want to do that because he didn't 
>> > like having me do that, but I made up my mind that if was going to make 
>> > it, he had to have some food in him. I believe Amani knows the name of 
>> > another good appetite stimulant. When he would not drink any water, I gave 
>> > him clam juice (we called it his kitty cocktail)- he loved it. It is just 
>> > shameful that Winstrol is not legal for this use - they hold a grudge 
>> > against it because of the misuse of it by a few athletes. So our kitties 
>> > have to suffer without the one thing that can help them. It is also 
>> > important to combine it with the Prednisolone and the Doxycyclene because 
>> > the Doxy has some property whereby it prevents the virus from replicating. 
>> > Best of luck with his treatment!!
>> > 
>> > Ardy
>> > 
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
>> > dlg...@windstream.net
>> > Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 1:47 PM
>> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator 
>> > - help
>> > 
>> > Don't apologize for questions, that is one way we learn.  I have had no 
>> > problems, but am sure Amani and others do have answers for you
>> > 
>> >  marlene melpignano  wrote: 
>> >> Dear All,
>> >> Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a lymphoma or 
>> >> a leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot even have a 
>> >> conclusive result). 
>> >> My vet in Italy thinks I have to bring him to a university clinic to have 
>> >> a bone marrow exam, in order to decide whether a chemotherapy is worth 
>> >> while.
>> >> 
>> >> Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats? Have 
>> >> you treated them or would be desperate and painful for the cat?
>> >> 
>> >> About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal in 
>> >> Europe and they would give me something similar in case I decide not to 
>> >> go for chemotherap

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol....

[dlgegg]

That is one step in the right direction and who knows she might just do some 
research or read your information and change her mind.

 Margo  wrote: 
> 
Prenisolone and prednisone are interchangeable. Most Vet's (mine is not one) 
believe that prednisolone is better utilized by cats, because one step of the 
metabolization process is eliminated. Prednisone must be processed into 
prednisolone in the liver beofre cats can use it.

"Why are there two versions of this catabolic steroid? First of all, if the 
thought of steroids and cats causes you to picture your cat gaining muscle mass 
and getting ripped, those performance-enhancing drugs are anabolic steroids, 
which build up. Catabolic steroids do the opposite; they break down. A cat’s 
liver processes prednisone, turning it into prednisolone. Prednisolone, then, 
is prescribed for cats with weak or compromised livers." (from 
http://www.catster.com/lifestyle/prednisone-for-cats)



And while my Vet doesn't believe it much matters, she has prescribed 
prednisolone for me  to have on hand, so I can do things my way...

-Original Message-
>From: Amani Oakley 
>Sent: Nov 2, 2017 7:02 PM
>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>
>Hi Bob
>
>When I was treating Zander, all the vets were using prednisone on cats, so 
>that is what I used on Zander. I don’t agree it is useless. I have used 
>prednisone on other cats, with good result. However, I now understand that 
>prednisolone is a derivative of prednisone and is better and safer for cats. 
>This is my understanding as to why this was changed, but I have heard from 
>vets that the two are interchangeable in terms of dosage, etc.
>
>Amani

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Re: [Felvtalk] Compiled info on Winstrol

[dlgegg]

Good for you!  That is what I did and my vet was impressed with the amount of 
information and said it certainly was worth investigating.  More people should 
give vets a nudge to get them to research before saying no.

 kresch...@mchsi.com wrote: 
> Dear Kitty Friends,
> I've attached a number of exchanges regarding the use of Winstrol to combat 
> FeLV. I;m taking my compilation to my vet and telling her (well firmly 
> asking) to read through the information and begin to do her own research. Our 
> vets need to do at least two pieces of research/investigation. First, they 
> need to research the efficacy of using steroids on cats and secondly, they 
> need to find legal supply routes to obtain Winstrol/Stargate. If I've missed 
> any significant parts of our exchanges, please tell me and resend those 
> parts. I'll add them to what we have and it will all be in one place. Thanks 
> to all  of you for weighing in on this critical subject


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Re: [Felvtalk] Stargate

[dlgegg]

No appology necessary.  It is great news that someone besides us cares enough 
to do what is right.

 marlene melpignano  wrote: 
> Sorry for spamming, but I wanted to share my joy with you.
> My friend just brought me the stargate.
> I am proud of my country, my Italian vet, the Italian pharmacist, my family 
> and my friends that arranged everything in less than 12 hours.
> Maybe it won't have any effects, but with all their contributions they are 
> giving me the possibility to try.
> Above all my country that kept it legal for animals, despite all the stupid 
> humans abusing of it.
> And thanks to Ardy, Sandy, Amani, Lorrie, dlgegg and you all for the support.
> Marlène and Microbo
> 
> 
> 
> [cid:1c57407f-6d40-4c55-874f-2de3209e986e@eurprd09.prod.outlook.com]
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help

[dlgegg]

Prayers for you and your baby.

 marlene melpignano  wrote: 
> Dear all,
> Good news: Winstrol is legal in Italy for animals and is called stargate. I 
> found a pharmacist who can send it to me in Belgium or I will go to Rome 
> myself on Saturday, he also said it is highly used in Italy for felv cats.
> What is better, pills or injections? 
> I thought of pills to cause less stress, but I read it may be more toxic for 
> the liver compared to the injectable one .
> I am also bringing the cat to a French specialised clinic this afternoon just 
> to  get a better opinion than the Belgian one.
> 
> Thanks all for your support.
> Best
> M&M
> 
> Inviato da iPhone
> 
> > Il giorno 02 nov 2017, alle ore 05:28, Ardy Robertson 
> >  ha scritto:
> > 
> > Marlene - My Tigger had an active leukemia when I began Winstrol, based on 
> > his bloodwork. and he also was not eating. I gave him an appetite 
> > stimulant called Mirtazapine, only a half of a 7.5 mg tablet, every 3rd 
> > day, and that boosted his appetite. I also fed him the canned cat food that 
> > they sell for after surgeries - it is very calorie dense but I don't 
> > remember the name of it. Sometimes I had to clip a towel around him and 
> > syringe feed him a little. I did not want to do that because he didn't like 
> > having me do that, but I made up my mind that if was going to make it, he 
> > had to have some food in him. I believe Amani knows the name of another 
> > good appetite stimulant. When he would not drink any water, I gave him clam 
> > juice (we called it his kitty cocktail)- he loved it. It is just shameful 
> > that Winstrol is not legal for this use - they hold a grudge against it 
> > because of the misuse of it by a few athletes. So our kitties have to 
> > suffer without the one thing that can help them. It is also important to 
> > combine it with the Prednisolone and the Doxycyclene because the Doxy has 
> > some property whereby it prevents the virus from replicating. Best of luck 
> > with his treatment!!
> > 
> > Ardy
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> > dlg...@windstream.net
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 1:47 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator 
> > - help
> > 
> > Don't apologize for questions, that is one way we learn.  I have had no 
> > problems, but am sure Amani and others do have answers for you
> > 
> >  marlene melpignano  wrote: 
> >> Dear All,
> >> Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a lymphoma or a 
> >> leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot even have a 
> >> conclusive result). 
> >> My vet in Italy thinks I have to bring him to a university clinic to have 
> >> a bone marrow exam, in order to decide whether a chemotherapy is worth 
> >> while.
> >> 
> >> Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats? Have 
> >> you treated them or would be desperate and painful for the cat?
> >> 
> >> About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal in 
> >> Europe and they would give me something similar in case I decide not to go 
> >> for chemotherapy. However, they would like to know whether your cats had 
> >> already a lymphoma or leukemia when you used it or were just Felv + and 
> >> also whether they had infections going on; otherwise they doubt about 
> >> using doxycycline.
> >> 
> >> Sorry for all the questions, but I am afraid there is not much to be done, 
> >> and if I want to make it a last try I have to be fast. As of today he is 
> >> not eating ... 
> >> 
> >> Thanks for your help 
> >> Marlène  
> >> 
> >> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help

[dlgegg]

 Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> Marlene
> 
> The suggestion of Winstrol/Doxy/Prednisone has been used repeatedly on cats 
> with leukemia and lymphoma. Also, Winstrol is very helpful when a cat is not 
> eating. Unfortunately, though there are other steroids, I am not certain you 
> will get the same result if you use another steroid in place of the Winstrol. 
> DO NOT USE another antibiotic. Doxycycline interferes with the virus 
> replication and is added on to assist in retarding the reproduction of the 
> virus, to enable the Winstrol and prednisone to have an effect. It is not for 
> a secondary infection. 
> 
> I find it bizarre that, over and over again, vets will dither while a cat is 
> dying. Put the cat on the meds, for goodness sake, and see the response and 
> if there isn’t an appreciable response after a reasonable period of time, 
> look for another option. But don’t have a debate while the cat is declining. 
> What's the worst that could happen? It doesn’t work? What other options are 
> they giving you??? 

  COULD IT BE THAT VETS ARE WORRIED ABOUT LAWSUITS IF ANYTHING GOES WRONG?
> 
> I find it odd that the vets say Winstrol is illegal in Europe. If you go on 
> line, you will see that it can be ordered from places like Germany. 
> 
> If necessary, get your vets to put him on the other steroid, though I really 
> doubt it will assist - Winstrol uniquely causes the turning on of blood cell 
> production in the bone marrow - I don’t think there is another steroid that 
> does this. Then go ahead and order the Winstrol online from Germany or 
> wherever else it can be sourced. But don't wait. The longer you wait, the 
> worse the condition of your cat, thus worsening the chances of anything 
> working.
> 
> Amani
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> marlene melpignano
> Sent: November-01-17 4:29 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - 
> help
> 
> Dear All,
> Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a lymphoma or a 
> leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot even have a conclusive 
> result). 
> My vet in Italy thinks I have to bring him to a university clinic to have a 
> bone marrow exam, in order to decide whether a chemotherapy is worth while.
> 
> Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats? Have you 
> treated them or would be desperate and painful for the cat?
> 
> About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal in Europe 
> and they would give me something similar in case I decide not to go for 
> chemotherapy. However, they would like to know whether your cats had already 
> a lymphoma or leukemia when you used it or were just Felv + and also whether 
> they had infections going on; otherwise they doubt about using doxycycline.
> 
> Sorry for all the questions, but I am afraid there is not much to be done, 
> and if I want to make it a last try I have to be fast. As of today he is not 
> eating ... 
> 
> Thanks for your help 
> Marlène  
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help

[dlgegg]

Don't apologize for questions, that is one way we learn.  I have had no 
problems, but am sure Amani and others do have answers for you

 marlene melpignano  wrote: 
> Dear All,
> Unfortunately last FNA of my cat showed that he has either a lymphoma or a 
> leukemia (in Belgium they are so bad that they cannot even have a conclusive 
> result). 
> My vet in Italy thinks I have to bring him to a university clinic to have a 
> bone marrow exam, in order to decide whether a chemotherapy is worth while.
> 
> Have you had any experience with lymphoma or leukemia in Felv cats? Have you 
> treated them or would be desperate and painful for the cat?
> 
> About Winstrol, the two vets were not against it, but it is illegal in Europe 
> and they would give me something similar in case I decide not to go for 
> chemotherapy. However, they would like to know whether your cats had already 
> a lymphoma or leukemia when you used it or were just Felv + and also whether 
> they had infections going on; otherwise they doubt about using doxycycline.
> 
> Sorry for all the questions, but I am afraid there is not much to be done, 
> and if I want to make it a last try I have to be fast. As of today he is not 
> eating ... 
> 
> Thanks for your help 
> Marlène  
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator - help

[dlgegg]

I told my vet about the winnstrol treatment and she has agreed to give it a try 
if ever needed, may even try on other cats if owners want it. 

 Ardy Robertson  wrote: 
> Hi Marlene,
> I used Interferon with and without Prednisolone on my beloved Tigger
> --nothing happened to improve his bloodwork. ONLY - when I finally found
> a way to get Winstrol and used it according to the way Amani had used it --
> with Prednisolone and Doxycyclene -- did it begin to help Tigger's
> bloodwork. So much so, that the lab re-ran the first bloodtest after using
> Winstrol because they thought there was a mistake, there was that much
> improvement! And by the time I was able to get the Winstrol from a
> compounding pharmacy in Arizona-USA, one called Diamond Back Drugs, his
> blood was flatlining. At that point I don't even know how he could have been
> alive with such low numbers. If you decide to go the route of Winstrol, you
> might be able to find it online by googling Diamond Back Drugs. We in the
> FeLV group have begun calling this treatment "Zander's Protocol" because
> Zander was Amani's beloved kitty who was helped by this treatment. At the
> moment, my four fur-babies are all healthy, but if I ever have another one
> with FeLV, I would treat him with Winstrol.
> 
> My best to you and your kitty,
> Ardy
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> marlene melpignano
> Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 3:07 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Immunoregolin or Lymphocyte T-cell immunomodulator -
> help
> 
> Thanks Kat and Amani for support and suggestions.
> Unfortunately I currently live in Brussels where they have ZERO experience
> on felv cats. As medicaments, in Europe we only have interferon, that I
> cannot use at the same time of prednisone, but without it the anemia
> prevails... in Belgium they proposed me cyclosporine, which is not used at
> all in Italy.
> My Italian vet read about LTCI and thinks we should give it a try, but it's
> very complicated to get it in Europe, and a German veterinary specialised in
> virology told me there are no scientific proofs that immunomodulator are
> effective in Felv.
> And I cannot find anything recent about them in academics articles.. 
> 
> Sorry for bothering, but Europe is hundreds years behind you ... 
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Whats in a name : )

[dlgegg]

This malady seems to affect all of us these days.  dorlis

 ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote: 
> Amani...


NO problem...  I'm the LAST person to take issue with temporary 
inability to summon up the correct name Often times these days I 
draw a blank on people I know relatively well...  quite embarassing... 
AND... you got the first letter right!!!
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Re: [Felvtalk] boxes of cats ?? (was: Thank you all. . .

[dlgegg]

lAt least they brought them to the shelter.

 kresch...@mchsi.com wrote: 
> Hi Kat,
> I live in Dubuque, Iowa and when I talked to the staff they said no notes 
> were attached. The cats were all relatively healthy; many had fleas, but were 
> otherwise fine. There were two nursing momma cats, but one had no kittens so 
> the staff feared she may have hid them. They searched the grounds but found 
> no although they did capture a couple of cats that escaped the boxes and were 
> in a tree! In just over a week all the cats were spayed or neutered, 
> vaccinated and adopted out! The shelter put "You-haul it!" signs by those 
> that were in the boxes. The Tux I have on hold was among those dropped off. 
> All the adoption fees were waived and donations were all that were requested.
> Ken
> - Original Message -
> From: kat 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 09:43:22 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: [Felvtalk] boxes of cats ??  (was:  Thank you all. . .
> 
> 
> Hi Ken,
> 
>  
> 
> Which shelter is this?  Just curious how someone could just drop 
> off several boxes of cats...
> 
> Are they all doing well after being taken in at the shelter?  
> Approx how old are the kittens?
> 
> This just boggles my mind.
> 
>  
> 
> Kat (Mew Jersey)
> 
>  
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 
> at 9:31 AM
> From: kresch...@mchsi.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Thank you all. . .
> 
> How very kind of you Katherine, Amani, kat and Marlene for your kind 
> words about Zorro. We are going to the shelter today to adopt another kitty. 
> Some say there must be adequate time between cats in order to have honored 
> the one who has passed. Perhaps. I, on the other hand, believe there is a cat 
> waiting for me at the shelter. In fact, last Sunday when the staff of our 
> shelter arrived to work, they found several U-Haul boxes of cats at the door! 
> In total there were 40 kittens to four-year olds in the boxes. I saw a Tux 
> among the mix and am going to see him today. I'm also going to ask the 
> vet to test him for FeLv at my cost. Also, I believe we must get rid of the 
> litter pan from Zorro just to be on the safe side.
> 
> Again, thank you all for your outreach; it means far more than you might 
> know,
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Re: [Felvtalk] Thank you all. . .

[dlgegg]

yOU ARE RIGHT.  iF YOU WAIT FOR GRIEVING TO PASS, A KITTEN MAY DIE.  Right now 
is the time to get another one to help in the grieving process.

 kresch...@mchsi.com wrote: 
> How very kind of you Katherine, Amani, kat and Marlene for your kind words 
> about Zorro. We are going to the shelter today to adopt another kitty. Some 
> say there must be adequate time between cats in order to have honored the one 
> who has passed. Perhaps. I, on the other hand, believe there is a cat waiting 
> for me at the shelter. In fact, last Sunday when the staff of our shelter 
> arrived to work, they found several U-Haul boxes of cats at the door! In 
> total there were 40 kittens to four-year olds in the boxes.  I saw a Tux 
> among the mix and am going to see him today. I'm also going to ask the vet to 
> test him for FeLv at my cost. Also, I believe we must get rid of the litter 
> pan from Zorro just to be on the safe side. 
> 
> Again, thank you all for your outreach; it means far more than you might know,
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Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone There....

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I feel for you loosing 3 in one year, it is hard enough to just loose one a 
year.  Anie was my last to go.  Hoepfully Harley, Dee and Homie are healthy and 
will live long lives.  I am the one with problems, went in for routine visit 
and was sent to cardioligist who told me I needed surgery.  I did not agree so 
he told me ok, patient refused surgery, next day was informed patient passed.  
So I went for many rounds of tests, heart, brathing, etc. and had the aortic 
valve replaced on 8/31, and pacemaker on 9/1 and went home on 9/2.. I had the 
TAVR proceedure done which runs the new bovine valve from an incision in the 
groin through the arteries  to the heart.  It goes inside the old valve and a 
metal framework forces the old valve open more.  This is the way to go if you 
do not want a lo g hospital stay and open heart surgery.  I have been "resting" 
since the last of June and will continue to be on restricted activity until 
December.  Then I have to get my muscles toned up again.  I insisted on being 
able to clean boxes, fill water fountains and feed my cats.  So, they only had 
to make do with someone else for 3 days.  You cannot drive for 2 weeks.  This 
has been my biggest problem, not doing anything but crosswords and crochet.
I thought maybe I was missing out on things, but sitting and sleeping keeps you 
off the internet. Thought maybe everyone was free from illness and all kitties 
were doing fine.

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so I thought I would inquire as to whether _ I _ am just missing mail 
that HAS been going to others or if the group has simply not been active 
for a couple of months. Generally it has been my experience that 
once I write one of these notes I start to get mail once again... NO 
idea why
I thought of all of you recently when it was time to put my Hospice Cat 
( Gilbert) down Third cat I have lost in a year   I'm 0 for 3 at 
this point and am thinking it might be time to take on a more healthy 
animal but I keep harkening back to amani's words... If not us... who??  
 Certainly not the people who don't much care about cats...nor the vast 
majority of people who HAVE cats.  There are SO many deserving 
animals out there that have problems that place them low on the adoption 
list  they ALL deserve to have a home and someone to see them as 
special  Gilbert was not adoptable with his brain injury...though 
ALL of the volunteers thought him special...still... no one came forward 
when he developed cancer though they all truly DID care that he was 
going to die  He had a good life for his last few months... sitting 
on the porch...looking out the window and more petting and love than 
even HE wanted.  As is usually the case it was probably harder on me 
than him when it came time He stopped eating, it was painful for him 
to get his oral meds and even subq pain killers did little... He was 
constipated and just hid out all day... The Tumor was forcing his one 
eye to protrude and the other to recede... it would have been cruel to 
ask him to endure more. A beautiful sweet animal I miss him 
terribly...
Curious to see if I find the list active with this submission.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky

[dlgegg]

GREAT NEWS!  NICE TO HEAR THIS IN TODAY'S WORLD OF ALL BAD NEWS.

  DORLIS
 Ardy Robertson  wrote: 
> Hi - just to update everyone, little "Lucky" that was tossed out of the car
> and hit the windshield of my granddaughter's friend, Rachel, seems to have
> fully recovered, and even made friends with another of Rachel's rescues, a
> black lab dog. My granddaughter Toni sent me a picture of the two of them
> looking into each other's face with the dog on the couch and Lucky up on the
> back of the couch. They seemed very happy I love a happy ending :)
> 
> Ardy
> 
>  
> 
>  
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Re: [Felvtalk] And now for some good news.....

[dlgegg]

On a farm Lucky should have no problem with food.  My Harley loves to hunt and 
keep down the mice, moles, voles and shrews, rabbits and squirrels.  He does 
not always catch them, but gets his exercise trying.  Sounds like God 
intervened and let him hit the right car.  Dorlis

 Ardy Robertson  wrote: 
> Hi - thanks, yes our Petsmart does that in Eau Claire, WI too - but
> actually this gal is okay with taking on his care and feeding etc. She is
> married and has just one little boy. They live on a large farm, so Lucky
> really found the right person to crash in on. I hope he lives a long happy
> life with this family who loves him now and as for that other guy -
> yes, karma...
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> dlg...@windstream.net
> Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 7:11 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] And now for some good news.
> 
> ARDY, PETSMART HAS A PROGRAM THAT THEY DONATE FOOD TO NEEDY CATS AND DOGS
> WHEN WE BUY FOOD FROM THEM, ANY BRAND.  SHE COULD CONTACT THEM FOR HELP ON
> FOOD.  DORLIS
> 
>  Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> > Wonderful Ardy. Now to find the b@$1@r+ who did this to him so we can
> ensure that he doesn't ever do this again.
> > 
> > Amani
> > 
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> Ardy Robertson
> > Sent: August-02-17 12:07 AM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] And now for some good news.
> > 
> > My granddaughter Toni made a visit to the little gray kitty who has now
> been named "Lucky" (rather appropriately) because of his survival, and
> possibly also because he is now free of the horrible person who did this to
> him. Toni got to hold him today, ever so gently, and she said she can see
> the pupils in both of his eyes now, and also that his nose seems to be
> healing amazingly well. It had been sort of split, so I was worried that it
> would hinder his eating. I think he had some mouth injuries also. She said
> the gal who picked him up, Rachel, is very in tune with his needs. Right now
> of course he is frightened, and so she has his bed in a box that has 3 high
> sides, so he feels like he is "hiding". She is giving him lots of love and
> being very gentle. She has him in an enclosed porch so he is away from her
> other pets. She says "Update on Lucky: He's really starting to pick up on
> eating, still timid but it'll take time. Thank you to Toni Rae Jahr and her
> grandma for Lucky's bed, foo
>  d, and toys." We have had other people offer to help with his expenses, and
> to buy him food, and other things. Somehow it just feels good to help this
> little guy, and to know that he will have a loving home now. Thanks
> everyone!!
> > Ardy
> > 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] And now for some good news.....

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ARDY, PETSMART HAS A PROGRAM THAT THEY DONATE FOOD TO NEEDY CATS AND DOGS WHEN 
WE BUY FOOD FROM THEM, ANY BRAND.  SHE COULD CONTACT THEM FOR HELP ON FOOD.  
DORLIS

 Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> Wonderful Ardy. Now to find the b@$1@r+ who did this to him so we can ensure 
> that he doesn't ever do this again.
> 
> Amani
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy 
> Robertson
> Sent: August-02-17 12:07 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] And now for some good news.
> 
> My granddaughter Toni made a visit to the little gray kitty who has now been 
> named "Lucky" (rather appropriately) because of his survival, and possibly 
> also because he is now free of the horrible person who did this to him. Toni 
> got to hold him today, ever so gently, and she said she can see the pupils in 
> both of his eyes now, and also that his nose seems to be healing amazingly 
> well. It had been sort of split, so I was worried that it would hinder his 
> eating. I think he had some mouth injuries also. She said the gal who picked 
> him up, Rachel, is very in tune with his needs. Right now of course he is 
> frightened, and so she has his bed in a box that has 3 high sides, so he 
> feels like he is "hiding". She is giving him lots of love and being very 
> gentle. She has him in an enclosed porch so he is away from her other pets. 
> She says "Update on Lucky: He's really starting to pick up on eating, still 
> timid but it'll take time. Thank you to Toni Rae Jahr and her grandma for 
> Lucky's bed, foo
 d, and toys." We have had other people offer to help with his expenses, and to 
buy him food, and other things. Somehow it just feels good to help this little 
guy, and to know that he will have a loving home now. Thanks everyone!!
> Ardy
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Re: [Felvtalk] And now for some good news.....

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IT WOULD BE BEST IF WE COULD THROW HIM OUT AT 60 MILES AN HOUR.  DORLIS

 Ardy Robertson  wrote: 
> Agreed!!
> 
>  
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> Amani Oakley
> Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 11:12 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] And now for some good news.
> 
>  
> 
> Wonderful Ardy. Now to find the b@$1@r+ who did this to him so we can ensure
> that he doesn't ever do this again.
> 
>  
> 
> Amani
> 
>  
> 
> From: Felvtalk [ 
> mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson
> Sent: August-02-17 12:07 AM
> To:   felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] And now for some good news.
> 
>  
> 
> My granddaughter Toni made a visit to the little gray kitty who has now been
> named "Lucky" (rather appropriately) because of his survival, and possibly
> also because he is now free of the horrible person who did this to him. Toni
> got to hold him today, ever so gently, and she said she can see the pupils
> in both of his eyes now, and also that his nose seems to be healing
> amazingly well. It had been sort of split, so I was worried that it would
> hinder his eating. I think he had some mouth injuries also. She said the gal
> who picked him up, Rachel, is very in tune with his needs. Right now of
> course he is frightened, and so she has his bed in a box that has 3 high
> sides, so he feels like he is "hiding". She is giving him lots of love and
> being very gentle. She has him in an enclosed porch so he is away from her
> other pets. She says "Update on Lucky: He's really starting to pick up on
> eating, still timid but it'll take time. Thank you to Toni Rae Jahr and her
> grandma for Lucky's bed, food, and toys." We have had other people offer to
> help with his expenses, and to buy him food, and other things. Somehow it
> just feels good to help this little guy, and to know that he will have a
> loving home now. Thanks everyone!!
> 
> Ardy
> 
>  
> 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten on Highway

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IT SHOULD BE DONE TO THEM, BUT WE WOULD BE ARRESTED , THEY WOULD ONLY GET A TAP 
ON THE HAND AND BE TOLD THEY WERE NAUGHTY.  DORLIS

 ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote: 
> Ardy
> You have a much more even temperment than me when it comes to such 
> matters There is NO question that I will end up in prison if I am 
> caught doing what I KNOW I am capable of doing to a person that is this 
> callous toward ANY living creature... but Housepets in particular... 
> There are NO excuses...NONE!! for his kind of behavior
> I worry myself actually when I realize that if I didn't have a few 
> moments to calm down between seeing such an action and catching the 
> person who did it I would be perfectly capable of throwing THAT 
> individual out of a car at 60 miles an hour ( assuming that I had the 
> physical advantage)
> 
> 
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 22:51:19 -0500
> > From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitten tossed out of 
> > car
> > Message-ID: <004501d30a79$9350e830$b9f2b890$@centurytel.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > Hello my Felv friends  this is a little off-topic, but I have to 
> > vent:
> > My granddaughter texted me this afternoon that a Facebook friend of 
> > hers was
> > driving from our city to a neighboring town, when the vehicle ahead of 
> > her
> > tossed a kitten out of the car window at 60 mph!! The poor little babe
> > struck her windshield! She was able to come to a safe stop, but was 
> > unable
> > to get the license number or really much of a description of the 
> > vehicle.
> > The little gray kitty was badly injured, but she is taking good care 
> > of it,
> > and has it home with her tonight. He (or she) has eye and nose 
> > injuries,
> > among others, but I believe he is stable. My granddaughter messaged 
> > her
> > friend and said that she will help with the vet bill and also with the 
> > food
> > and other supplies she will need for this kitty. The friend says she 
> > is
> > going to provide a forever home for the kitty. I am dropping off some 
> > money
> > in the morning at my granddaughter's house to pitch in, because she is 
> > going
> > shopping for kitty food, a bed, some toys, a brush, etc. for her 
> > friend. We
> > are just so irritated that someone would do something like this, and I 
> > am so
> > grateful there are people like my granddaughter and her friend who are
> > willing to do what it takes to help this poor little babe.
> >
> >
> > I am hoping someone on Facebook will see the story they posted, with
> > pictures, and turn this person in to the authorities. He also could 
> > have
> > caused an accident if the girl had swerved to avoid hitting the kitty 
> > - but
> > I suppose it happened so fast she probably didn't even know what it 
> > was. I
> > hope this person does not have other pets, or children!
> >
> >
> > Thanks for listening!
> >
> > Ardy
> >
> >
> >
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 04:16:08 +
> > From: Amani Oakley To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: 
> > [Felvtalk] Kitten tossed out of car
> > Message-ID:
> > 
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > Ardy - generally, I am not supportive of the death penalty, but I 
> > would gladly make an exception for barbarians like those you describe, 
> > and I would just as happily be the executioner. This is not the first 
> > time I have heard this same hideous story. Several years ago in 
> > Toronto, Ontario, the same thing happened on one of our highways, and 
> > again, that little kitten at least got lucky enough to survive and be 
> > rescued by a motorist who saw what happened.
> >
> > I have heard it repeated elsewhere. I guess that stupid idiot f*&^%s 
> > can't find anything more vulnerable and helpless than a kitten to show 
> > their toughness. Just obscene.
> >
> > I shudder to think just how many times the kittens don't survive.
> >
> > 

Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten on Highway

[dlgegg]

AND THE PROBLEM IS THAT THEY USUALLY ALSO DO THIS TO PEOPLE, MEMBERS OF THEIR 
FAMILIES.  I TALKED TO AN INVESTIGATOR FOR HUMAND SOCIETY AND HE USUALLY END UP 
REPORTING SPOUSE OR CHILD ABUSE IN SAME HOME WITH ANIMAL ABUSE.  DORLIS



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Re: [Felvtalk] Pathetic

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why people do this i cannot understand.  they deserve the same fate.  dorlis



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Re: [Felvtalk] Unspeakable evil

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right now all i can offer is prayer.  dorlis



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Re: [Felvtalk] dlegg

[dlgegg]

hasn't happened, still 1 more test on the 7th.  I am glad they are being 
through, but am getting tired of waiting and not being able to do anything.
 Jennifer Olson  wrote: 
> How are YOU dlegg after your surgery?


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Re: [Felvtalk] A suggestion that could make it easier to keep up with posts...

[dlgegg]

good idea!  will do this from now on.  Dorlis

 ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote: 
> When we reply ( apparently it doesn't make much difference if we hit 
reply or reply all) it would be helpful to erase those parts of the 
posting that reference earlier discussions and do not have relevance to 
the current posting  This also prevents having your message held up 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Surgery

[dlgegg]

If onlyeveryone who has a cat or dog would get them spayed/neutered there 
would not be so many for us to care for.  I have heard all kinds of excuses 
like it costs so much.  If they did get their pets spayed/neutered they would 
not have the work involved in getting rid of them.  When a new one shows up 
here, they get neutered or spayed within 2 weeks after I have found out that 
they do not belong to anyone.

 ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote: 
> Hello Everyone...
Thank you so much for your concerns about " my " surgery but it is an 
unfortunate result of the structure of the mailings that this mistake 
was made    I am not having heart surgery : )  Believe it is our 
member whose email is dlegg ( wish people would put their actual names 
on their postings) I forget in between time whose name is associated 
with which address. Seems when I've made and inquiry about 
activity on the group it engenders a rash of new mailings and confusion 
reins  : )   Glad, however, to see activity and that we are all still 
here  I always learn something new when folks post their thoughts 
and practices on the group   I am humbled by so many of you and your 
commitment to your Kitties... without people such as you the world would 
be a much more bleak place for the unwanted animals of the world.  I 
get caught up in " if only's " even at my age and I think so often " if 
only" everyone would take in just  1 animal how much of an improvement 
that would make to the lives of animals everywhere.  It is such a 
shame that not everyone feels toward animals as we do... they can't 
experience the joy and wonder that an animal brings to ones life or the 
simple pleasure of having a cat sit on your chest purring while you 
watch TV ( all 14 lbs of Gilbert and his drool( I _ could_ do without 
the drool!!)... somehow calm me when I am laying on the couch just 
relaxing. and Bless you Sheila for your kindness and caring.    If 
you know anyone who could help you to become your own non-profit that 
could, potentially, reduce some of the burden of expense...   I KNOW you 
are beyond busy already but just wanted to mention it if you had not 
though about it already...  It's not a walk in the park to put in place 
but has some distinct advantages...

Bob C.


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>3. Re: 28 Cats.. (Sandy)
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> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 08:42:51 -0700
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> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 28 Cats..
> Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Sheila, my 2 cents- - for me -  it's not just spreading the FeLV to 
> others, it the autoimmune problem of not being able to fight off 
> viruses or diseases that they could get from other cats.
> I have Buddy in our guest room - in a controlled environment- we 
> replaced the door with another re-engineered door. The replacement 
> door bottom panel we replaced with clear plexiglas so he can see the 
> other cats in the house, and the top panel with a screen door screen 
> guard panel for air and to get house sounds. He uses the plexiglas as 
> a drum-especially when he wants attention!
>
> I have spent at least 2 hours with him each night for the last 5 
> years- have my own easy chair and large screen tv :)
>
> That's the remedy I came up with so he gets plenty of loving and 
> entertainment- he's probably the healthiest of all the other 14 I have 
> inside!
>
> ?Food: no junk food, both wet and no-grain kibble -that includes a 
> variety of brands- and fresh water
> ?Vaccine: wouldn't touch it - I don't use vaccines unless required by 
> law
> ?Stress: I keep it as low as possible, that means only vet trips if 
> life & death- can't afford routine visits because we're living on 
> retirement funds ?Pray: a lot
> Will be praying for Robert too!
>
>
>
>
> -g ??
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 24, 2017, at 5:12 AM, Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I heard the leukemia  vaccine carries a high risk of cancer.  Does 
>> anyone have their FELV cat around non-felv cats?  I thought about 
>> letting Skylar out only while I am home and see how it goes with the 
>> regular cats.  But I have a FIV cat in the m

Re: [Felvtalk] Surgery

[dlgegg]

HELLO, MY FAULT.  I FORGOT TO PUT MY NAME IN THERE.  DORLIS GROTE
I am lucky that a member of my church is going to take care of my babies while 
I am in the hospital for the surgery.  She is also taking me in and picking me 
up afterwards.  Plus getting groceries and doing any needed laundry after i get 
home as I will be on limited activity for 2 months, can't even drive.  This is 
one of those things we never think about until it happens and then we need 
help.  Just glad I do not have 28 cats or even Rebecca might balk at caring for 
that many. 

 ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote: 
> Hello Everyone...
Thank you so much for your concerns about " my " surgery but it is an 
unfortunate result of the structure of the mailings that this mistake 
was made    I am not having heart surgery : )  Believe it is our 
member whose email is dlegg ( wish people would put their actual names 
on their postings) I forget in between time whose name is associated 
with which address. Seems when I've made and inquiry about 
activity on the group it engenders a rash of new mailings and confusion 
reins  : )   Glad, however, to see activity and that we are all still 
here  I always learn something new when folks post their thoughts 
and practices on the group   I am humbled by so many of you and your 
commitment to your Kitties... without people such as you the world would 
be a much more bleak place for the unwanted animals of the world.  I 
get caught up in " if only's " even at my age and I think so often " if 
only" everyone would take in just  1 animal how much of an improvement 
that would make to the lives of animals everywhere.  It is such a 
shame that not everyone feels toward animals as we do... they can't 
experience the joy and wonder that an animal brings to ones life or the 
simple pleasure of having a cat sit on your chest purring while you 
watch TV ( all 14 lbs of Gilbert and his drool( I _ could_ do without 
the drool!!)... somehow calm me when I am laying on the couch just 
relaxing. and Bless you Sheila for your kindness and caring.    If 
you know anyone who could help you to become your own non-profit that 
could, potentially, reduce some of the burden of expense...   I KNOW you 
are beyond busy already but just wanted to mention it if you had not 
though about it already...  It's not a walk in the park to put in place 
but has some distinct advantages...

Bob C.


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> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 08:42:51 -0700
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> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 28 Cats..
> Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Sheila, my 2 cents- - for me -  it's not just spreading the FeLV to 
> others, it the autoimmune problem of not being able to fight off 
> viruses or diseases that they could get from other cats.
> I have Buddy in our guest room - in a controlled environment- we 
> replaced the door with another re-engineered door. The replacement 
> door bottom panel we replaced with clear plexiglas so he can see the 
> other cats in the house, and the top panel with a screen door screen 
> guard panel for air and to get house sounds. He uses the plexiglas as 
> a drum-especially when he wants attention!
>
> I have spent at least 2 hours with him each night for the last 5 
> years- have my own easy chair and large screen tv :)
>
> That's the remedy I came up with so he gets plenty of loving and 
> entertainment- he's probably the healthiest of all the other 14 I have 
> inside!
>
> ?Food: no junk food, both wet and no-grain kibble -that includes a 
> variety of brands- and fresh water
> ?Vaccine: wouldn't touch it - I don't use vaccines unless required by 
> law
> ?Stress: I keep it as low as possible, that means only vet trips if 
> life & death- can't afford routine visits because we're living on 
> retirement funds ?Pray: a lot
> Will be praying for Robert too!
>
>
>
>
> -g ??
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 24, 2017, at 5:12 AM, Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I heard the leukemia  vaccine carries a high risk of cancer.  Does 
>> anyone have their FELV cat around non-felv cats?  I

Re: [Felvtalk] 28 Cats..

[dlgegg]

I am lucky, found a vet who goes along with me especially re:  felv treatment.
 Sandy  wrote: 
> 
> It seems to me, each one of us has a different vet - and each vet seems to 
> have a differing opinion - it's what they "learned" in school and unless they 
> seek to know more and better info continue with the same practices and 
> opinions- such as the "yearly" vaccine protocol. I guess it's like each one 
> has to do for our own health care - be informed and take charge. And, it's 
> not easy 
> 
> Sandy 
> - Original Message -
> 
> From: "Marlene Snowman"  
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 9:46:04 AM 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 28 Cats.. 
> 
> My vet believes so although has made it clear that no vaccine is 100 percent 
> effective and that an older cat with an established immune system has more 
> chances. Who really knows 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
> > On Jul 24, 2017, at 10:03 AM, Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium 
> >  wrote: 
> > 
> > So you believe the vaccine does work then? I thought about getting it for 
> > all 13 indoors but I want to still keep the FIV and FELV separated. Thanks 
> > for the info 
> > 
> > -Original Message- 
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> > Marlene Snowman 
> > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 8:59 AM 
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 28 Cats.. 
> > 
> > I have a Felv 2 year old who I did introduce to my 7 year old non. The 7 
> > year old has been vaccinated and retested over the 2 years and remains 
> > negative. The Felv has no visual signs of illness. I maintain separate 
> > litter boxes that get cleaned daily and separate dishes that are also 
> > cleaned daily. They are not affectionate with one another or groom each 
> > other, although they do play together. It warms my heart to think that the 
> > 2 year old is getting quality of life despite the illness. As my vet said, 
> > you have 2 cats and need this to work for them and my husband and I. So far 
> > I've been lucky and I am grateful that this is going well for them. Knowing 
> > what I now know, I'm not sure I would make the same decision if one would 
> > have been sicker at the onset. 
> > 
> > My experience and these 2 may just be lucky so far.wresting with the 
> > decision to introduce or not is a tough one. 
> > 
> > M 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone 
> > 
> >> On Jul 24, 2017, at 9:12 AM, Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium 
> >>  wrote: 
> >> 
> >> I heard the leukemia vaccine carries a high risk of cancer. Does anyone 
> >> have their FELV cat around non-felv cats? I thought about letting Skylar 
> >> out only while I am home and see how it goes with the regular cats. But I 
> >> have a FIV cat in the mix of the other cats and not sure if they would 
> >> pass germs and cause more harm. My Felv has no signs of illness since he 
> >> was moved him indoor. I don't think he can be near the FIV cat. Thanks for 
> >> any info 
> >> 
> >> -Original Message- 
> >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
> >> Of ROBERT CHAPEL 
> >> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 3:52 PM 
> >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 28 Cats.. 
> >> 
> >> Hi Sheila... 
> >> Wonder if you have anyone helping you with Cat Care ( or expenses) 
> >> that is a lot of cats to look after 
> >> and the expense could get rather overwhelming. are some of them 
> >> fosters??? 
> >> 
> >> Bob 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 10:06 AM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org 
> >> wrote: 
> >> 
> >>> Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to 
> >>> felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> >>> 
> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit 
> >>> 
> >>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.or 
> >>> g 
> >>> 
> >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to 
> >>> felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org 
> >>> 
> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at 
> >>> felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org 
> >>> 
> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific 
> >>> than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Today's Topics: 
> >>> 
> >>> 1. Re: Checking in. (Pam Doore) 
> >>> 2. Re: Checking in. (Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium) 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> - 
> >>> - 
> >>> 
> >>> Message: 1 
> >>> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 09:38:42 -0400 
> >>> From: Pam Doore To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Checking in. 
> >>> Message-ID: 
> >>> 
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 
> >>> 
> >>> I understand Sheila! I have my first too, actually Mom and her 
> >>> kittens. One kitten passed away.and the other is 15 months old. Plus 
> >>> I took another 
> >>> FeLv+ cat from out shelter. I will probably end up adopting her too 
> >>> :).

Re: [Felvtalk] 28 Cats..

[dlgegg]

I get a lot of drop offs too.  People seem to think that left in a farming 
area, they can fend for themselves, even the de clawed ones.  
 "Armstrong-Brown wrote: 
> No one helps me Bob.  I started a 2nd job at an animal hospital so I can get 
> the discount on all the cats.  It's still very expensive.  No fosters, they 
> stray in to the farm and people drop off sickly animals and all the humane 
> society would say is that if I turned the cats in to them, they would be put 
> down.  So until I can't afford to eat, I just get them spayed, neutered and 
> healthy again and I just keep them.  14 are indoors.  The sickly and sweet 
> ones I always bring in .  Glad I have a big house.   
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> ROBERT CHAPEL
> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 3:52 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 28 Cats..
> 
> Hi Sheila...
> Wonder if you have anyone helping you with Cat Care ( or expenses) 
> that is a lot of cats to look after
> and the expense could get rather overwhelming. are some of them fosters???
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 10:06 AM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org
> wrote:
> 
> > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to
> > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >
> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> >  
> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
> >
> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> > felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org
> >
> > You can reach the person managing the list at
> > felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org
> >
> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific 
> > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..."
> >
> >
> > Today's Topics:
> >
> >1. Re: Checking in. (Pam Doore)
> >2. Re: Checking in. (Armstrong-Brown, Sheila   DDS Timonium)
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 09:38:42 -0400
> > From: Pam Doore To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Checking in.
> > Message-ID:
> > 
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > I understand Sheila! I have my first too, actually Mom and her 
> > kittens. One kitten passed away.and the other is 15 months old. Plus I 
> > took another
> > FeLv+ cat from out shelter. I will probably end up adopting her too
> > :).
> > On Jul 21, 2017 8:34 AM, "Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium" < 
> > sheila.armstrong-br...@ssa.gov> wrote:
> >
> >> No, he said it was no big deal at all.  I just worry.  This is my 
> >> first FELV cat.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On 
> >> Behalf
> >> Of *Pam Doore
> >> *Sent:* Friday, July 21, 2017 8:21 AM
> >> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Checking in.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sheila did your vet seem concerned about the higher cholesterol?
> >>
> >> On Jul 21, 2017 7:44 AM, "Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium" <
> >> sheila.armstrong-br...@ssa.gov> wrote:
> >>
> >> It was part of a blood panel I had done on him.  I get bloodwork 
> >> every 6
> >> months and I thought it was odd too.
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
> >> Of
> >> dlg...@windstream.net
> >> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:57 PM
> >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Checking in.
> >>
> >> I have never had anyone tell me my cats needed cholesterol tested.
> >> i was beginning to wonder if the list was still there, had not heard
> >> anything.
> >>
> >>  Amani Oakley  wrote:
> >>> It if were me, I would ignore the cholesterol. It is nonsensical in 
> >>> cats
> >> (and being called into question in humans too).
> >>>
> >>> Amani
> >>>
> >>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On 
> >>> Behalf
> >>> Of Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium
> >>> Sent: July-20-17 10:37 AM
> >>> To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
> >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Checking in.
> >>>
> >>> My son Skylar is doing well and his 6 month bloodwork came back 
> >>> great.
> >> High cholesterol is all.  No idea why that would be. He is now 2 1/2 
> >> years
> >> old, I hope he is around a long time.
> >>>
> >>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On 
> >>> Behalf
> >>> Of ROBERT CHAPEL
> >>> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:28 AM
> >>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Checking in.
> >>>
> >>> Things have been very quiet on the group lately...OR... I am once 
> >>> again
> >> not getting group mail
> >>> Has there been activity I've missed??
> >>> My Hospice Boy ( Gilbert) is doing quite well for the moment but ( 
> >>> as we
> >> all know with such things it could change any minute...so I'll just 
> >> enjoy
> >> it whil

Re: [Felvtalk] 28 Cats..

[dlgegg]

I have mixed positive and negative cats for years and no negatives have 
contracted the disease.  They share beds (mine) bowls and boxes.  At first when 
the negatives were young, I had them vacinnated, now I do not they are all at 
least 13 years old.

 Marlene Snowman  wrote: 
> I have a Felv 2 year old who I did introduce to my 7 year old non.  The 7 
> year old has been vaccinated and retested over the 2 years and remains 
> negative. The Felv has no visual signs of illness.  I maintain separate 
> litter boxes that get cleaned daily and separate dishes that are also cleaned 
> daily. They are not affectionate with one another or groom each other, 
> although they do play together. It warms my heart to think that the 2 year 
> old is getting quality of life despite the illness. As my vet said, you have 
> 2 cats and need this to work for them and my husband and I.  So far I've been 
> lucky and I am grateful that this is going well for them. Knowing what I now 
> know, I'm not sure I would make the same decision if one would have been 
> sicker at the onset.
> 
> My experience and these 2 may just be lucky so far.wresting with the 
> decision to introduce or not is a tough one. 
> 
> M
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jul 24, 2017, at 9:12 AM, Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > I heard the leukemia  vaccine carries a high risk of cancer.  Does anyone 
> > have their FELV cat around non-felv cats?  I thought about letting Skylar 
> > out only while I am home and see how it goes with the regular cats.  But I 
> > have a FIV cat in the mix of the other cats and not sure if they would pass 
> > germs and cause more harm.  My Felv has no signs of illness since he was 
> > moved him indoor.I don't think he can be near the FIV cat.  Thanks for 
> > any info 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> > ROBERT CHAPEL
> > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 3:52 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 28 Cats..
> > 
> > Hi Sheila...
> > Wonder if you have anyone helping you with Cat Care ( or expenses) 
> > that is a lot of cats to look after
> > and the expense could get rather overwhelming. are some of them 
> > fosters???
> > 
> > Bob
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 10:06 AM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org
> > wrote:
> > 
> >> Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to
> >>felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >> 
> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> >> 
> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
> >> 
> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> >>felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org
> >> 
> >> You can reach the person managing the list at
> >>felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org
> >> 
> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific 
> >> than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..."
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Today's Topics:
> >> 
> >>   1. Re: Checking in. (Pam Doore)
> >>   2. Re: Checking in. (Armstrong-Brown, Sheila   DDS Timonium)
> >> 
> >> 
> >> --
> >> 
> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 09:38:42 -0400
> >> From: Pam Doore To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Checking in.
> >> Message-ID:
> >>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >> 
> >> I understand Sheila! I have my first too, actually Mom and her 
> >> kittens. One kitten passed away.and the other is 15 months old. Plus I 
> >> took another
> >> FeLv+ cat from out shelter. I will probably end up adopting her too
> >> :).
> >> On Jul 21, 2017 8:34 AM, "Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium" < 
> >> sheila.armstrong-br...@ssa.gov> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> No, he said it was no big deal at all.  I just worry.  This is my 
> >>> first FELV cat.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On 
> >>> Behalf
> >>> Of *Pam Doore
> >>> *Sent:* Friday, July 21, 2017 8:21 AM
> >>> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Checking in.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Sheila did your vet seem concerned about the higher cholesterol?
> >>> 
> >>> On Jul 21, 2017 7:44 AM, "Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium" <
> >>> sheila.armstrong-br...@ssa.gov> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> It was part of a blood panel I had done on him.  I get bloodwork 
> >>> every 6
> >>> months and I thought it was odd too.
> >>> 
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
> >>> Of
> >>> dlg...@windstream.net
> >>> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:57 PM
> >>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Checking in.
> >>> 
> >>> I have never had anyone tell me my cats needed cholesterol tested.
> >>> i was beginning to wonder if the list was still there, had not heard
> >>> anythi

Re: [Felvtalk] Sending prayers up for you!

[dlgegg]

pRAYERS FOR EVERY ONE.
 Jennifer Olson  wrote: 
> 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Checking in.....

[dlgegg]

I HAVEN'T GOTTEN MUCH MAIL, BUT HAVE BEEN BUSY PREPARING FOR OPEN HEART SURGERY 
AND MAKING ARRANGEMENTS FOR CARE FOR THE CATS AND MY GARDEN.  MEMBERS OF THE 
CHURCH ARE GOING TO HELP ME WHEN I COME HOME FROM SURGERY AND THE DOCTOR TOLD 
ME I CAN FEED, WATER AND CLEAN BOXES AND FIX MY OWN MEALS LIKE SALADS.

 ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote: 
> Things have been very quiet on the group lately...OR... I am once again 
> not getting group mail
> Has there been activity I've missed??
> My Hospice Boy ( Gilbert) is doing quite well for the moment but ( as we 
> all know with such things it could change any minute...so I'll just 
> enjoy it while it's happening)    Wondering if any of you have 
> experience with Higher dose Prednisolone administered chronically ( say 
> above 7.5 mg QD)...  When I agreed to Foster Gilbert it came with the 
> proviso that I would follow their directions ( Which I will hold to 
> unless I feel they are killing him unnecessarily quickly)  His Tumor 
> does not appear to have gotten any larger and his pain appears to be 
> pretty well controlled Just wish I knew specifically what is helping 
> the most so I could cut down on superfluous drugscurrently he's on 
> Gabapentin( .4 cc BID if pain is up.. QD if doing OK).. for pain, 
> prednisolone ( 10 mg QD administered via syringe dissolved in milk, 
> Venus Fly Trap SubQ BID ( interesting substance... bears closer 
> scrutiny...  supposed to have anti tumor activity) Two other " 
> alternative " medications which I have suspended only because the poor 
> boy screams bloody murder every time I have to give him something. 
> with a tumor invading his oral cavity I want to keep anything PO to a 
> minimum
> Seems that the cats I've had that are _ supposed_ to ( clincally) die 
> don't and the ones that that aren't ..do
> Hope everyones buddies are doing reasonably well ( as reasonably well as 
> FeLV Kitties can do)...  Gilbert, as I mentioned, had a traumatic brain 
> injury which has left him with poor balance... but lately he's been 
> insistent on expanding his range and even tried running this AM...  
> Wasn't in anything resembling a straight line but the spirit in this guy 
> is enough to make you weep...  Guess that's part of why I am such a fan 
> of animals they simply do what they have to and do it without 
> complaint  ( Sure glad they can't speak...perhaps I'd like them less if 
> their inner thoughts were more like ( Why ME??  I'm a more thoughtful 
> caring cat than Mittens over there; why did _ I_ have to get hit by a 
> car and THEN get cancer!!... and there's that jerk Mittens running 
> around all carefree and happy...where's the Justice I ask you)...
> Bob
> Bob
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Re: [Felvtalk] Checking in.....

[dlgegg]

 Sheri Burbridge  wrote: 
> Hi there! Things have been quiet around here but I was sincerely hoping
> that meant everyone was doing really well!
> 
> Bob, I'm glad to hear little Gilbert is still with you and comfortable
> despite his prognosis. How wonderful that he has had such a good home with
> you during this time.
> 
> My girl Violet is doing great! She's such a character and very much a
> kitten still! She killed a mouse last week (which is horrifying, I've never
> seen evidence of a mouse anywhere in our house, I'm hoping it got in and
> she just took care of business and there are no more!) Luckily, she didn't
> eat it (and I got it before the dogs), just left it at the top of the
> stairs as a good morning gift for us!  
THEY ARE COMING IN BECAUSE OF THE HEAT AND LACK OF RAIN.  AT MY HOUSE THEY ARE 
COMING IN TO THE LION'S DEN BECAUSE HARLEY TACKLE ANYTHING THAT MOVES AND THEN 
DROPS THEM BY MY BED TO SHOW ME HOW GREAT A HUNTER HE IS.  HAVE TO BE CAREFUL 
WHEN I GET UP AT NIGHT THAT I DON'T STEP ON A CARCASS.
> 
> I'm glad she's doing well because our Cocker Spaniel with renal failure and
> 2 bad knees is enough of a challenge at the moment. I can only handle so
> much at a time.
> 
> So there's my update! I hope every one is having a happy and healthy summer!
> 
> Sheri
> 
> On Thu, Jul 20, 2017, 12:09 PM Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> > Not at all related. I have no idea why a cholesterol would even be run on
> > a young kitty like that. Even with an older cat, it is seriously
> > questionable whether cholesterol has any relevance.
> >
> >
> >
> > Amani
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> > Of *Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium
> > *Sent:* July-20-17 12:06 PM
> >
> >
> > *To:* 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
> > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Checking in.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ok thanks, wasn’t sure if I was giving him too many treats.
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> > ] *On Behalf Of *Amani Oakley
> > *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 11:50 AM
> > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Checking in.
> >
> >
> >
> > It if were me, I would ignore the cholesterol. It is nonsensical in cats
> > (and being called into question in humans too).
> >
> >
> >
> > Amani
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> > ] *On Behalf Of *Armstrong-Brown,
> > Sheila DDS Timonium
> > *Sent:* July-20-17 10:37 AM
> > *To:* 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
> > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Checking in.
> >
> >
> >
> > My son Skylar is doing well and his 6 month bloodwork came back great.
> > High cholesterol is all.  No idea why that would be. He is now 2 1/2 years
> > old, I hope he is around a long time.
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> > ] *On Behalf Of *ROBERT CHAPEL
> > *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:28 AM
> > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Checking in.
> >
> >
> >
> > Things have been very quiet on the group lately...OR... I am once again
> > not getting group mail
> > Has there been activity I've missed??
> > My Hospice Boy ( Gilbert) is doing quite well for the moment but ( as we
> > all know with such things it could change any minute...so I'll just enjoy
> > it while it's happening)Wondering if any of you have experience
> > with Higher dose Prednisolone administered chronically ( say above 7.5 mg
> > QD)...  When I agreed to Foster Gilbert it came with the proviso that I
> > would follow their directions ( Which I will hold to unless I feel they are
> > killing him unnecessarily quickly)  His Tumor does not appear to have
> > gotten any larger and his pain appears to be pretty well controlled
> > Just wish I knew specifically what is helping the most so I could cut down
> > on superfluous drugscurrently he's on Gabapentin( .4 cc BID if pain is
> > up.. QD if doing OK).. for pain, prednisolone ( 10 mg QD administered via
> > syringe dissolved in milk, Venus Fly Trap SubQ BID ( interesting
> > substance... bears closer scrutiny...  supposed to have anti tumor
> > activity) Two other " alternative " medications which I have suspended only
> > because the poor boy screams bloody murder every time I have to give him
> > something. with a tumor invading his oral cavity I want to keep
> > anything PO to a minimum
> > Seems that the cats I've had that are _ supposed_ to ( clincally) die
> > don't and the ones that that aren't ..do
> > Hope everyones buddies are doing reasonably well ( as reasonably well as
> > FeLV Kitties can do)...  Gilbert, as I mentioned, had a traumatic brain
> > injury which has left him with poor balance... but lately he's been
> > insistent on expanding his range and even tried running this AM...  Wasn't
> > in anything resembling a straight line but the spirit in this guy is enough
> > to make you weep...  Guess that's part of

Re: [Felvtalk] Checking in.....

[dlgegg]

I have never had anyone tell me my cats needed cholesterol tested.  
i was beginning to wonder if the list was still there, had not heard anything.

 Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> It if were me, I would ignore the cholesterol. It is nonsensical in cats (and 
> being called into question in humans too).
> 
> Amani
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium
> Sent: July-20-17 10:37 AM
> To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Checking in.
> 
> My son Skylar is doing well and his 6 month bloodwork came back great.  High 
> cholesterol is all.  No idea why that would be. He is now 2 1/2 years old, I 
> hope he is around a long time.
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> ROBERT CHAPEL
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:28 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Checking in.
> 
> Things have been very quiet on the group lately...OR... I am once again not 
> getting group mail
> Has there been activity I've missed??
> My Hospice Boy ( Gilbert) is doing quite well for the moment but ( as we all 
> know with such things it could change any minute...so I'll just enjoy it 
> while it's happening)Wondering if any of you have experience with 
> Higher dose Prednisolone administered chronically ( say above 7.5 mg QD)...  
> When I agreed to Foster Gilbert it came with the proviso that I would follow 
> their directions ( Which I will hold to unless I feel they are killing him 
> unnecessarily quickly)  His Tumor does not appear to have gotten any larger 
> and his pain appears to be pretty well controlled Just wish I knew 
> specifically what is helping the most so I could cut down on superfluous 
> drugscurrently he's on Gabapentin( .4 cc BID if pain is up.. QD if doing 
> OK).. for pain, prednisolone ( 10 mg QD administered via syringe dissolved in 
> milk, Venus Fly Trap SubQ BID ( interesting substance... bears closer 
> scrutiny...  supposed to have anti tumor activity) Two other " alternative " 
> medications which I h
 ave suspended only because the poor boy screams bloody murder every time I 
have to give him something. with a tumor invading his oral cavity I want to 
keep anything PO to a minimum
> Seems that the cats I've had that are _ supposed_ to ( clincally) die don't 
> and the ones that that aren't ..do
> Hope everyones buddies are doing reasonably well ( as reasonably well as FeLV 
> Kitties can do)...  Gilbert, as I mentioned, had a traumatic brain injury 
> which has left him with poor balance... but lately he's been insistent on 
> expanding his range and even tried running this AM...  Wasn't in anything 
> resembling a straight line but the spirit in this guy is enough to make you 
> weep...  Guess that's part of why I am such a fan of animals they simply 
> do what they have to and do it without complaint  ( Sure glad they can't 
> speak...perhaps I'd like them less if their inner thoughts were more like ( 
> Why ME??  I'm a more thoughtful caring cat than Mittens over there; why did _ 
> I_ have to get hit by a car and THEN get cancer!!... and there's that jerk 
> Mittens running around all carefree and happy...where's the Justice I ask 
> you)...
> 
> Bob
> 
> Bob
> 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert...

[dlgegg]

They do get under our skin and become a necessary to our lives.  I have 3 15 
pounders who think I am a mattress for them to sleep on.  Thank God they take 
turns.  Does Gilbert like to KNEED a lot?  Homey gets into a trance and digs 
deeply so I have had to explain to doctors what all those little red spots are. 
 Do you have to foster, or can you just adopt so you can give pain treatment as 
you see fit?
I end up adopting everyone that comes my way.  After just a couple of days I 
could not let them go.

 ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote: 
> 

Amani...
As always... thank you for the advice and all the other references to 
research ( Doxy, Cannabinol) that can be helpful down the road...   In 
the case of Gilbert it is perplexing that they are so withholding re: 
drugs.  Gilbert is a favorite of everyone and no one wants to see him 
hurting  I'll keep making suggestions.  Starting once again to pay 
my own ( larger) medical contributions under medicare I cannot afford to 
be taking him to vets on my own ( as well as it being a potential 
problem if I do because he is ( technically) the shelters " property as 
he is a Foster   Right now he is on purefied liquid Venus Fly Trap 
per a complementary Vet who is well regarded in the local 
community...which she says helped her keep her own cats tumor at bay for 
nine months (  This lady is not simply " out there"... but I have not 
yet done any looking re: VFT as I was not planning to prolong Gilbies 
life.. Just to make him comfortable and keep him out of the shelter 
during his final days  Now, of course, having gotten so used to and 
loving having him with me I am interested in how to keep him painlessly 
around with me longer  I like watching TV with a 15 lb cat sitting 
on my chest with his face inches from my own... snoring..

Bob

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Re: [Felvtalk] Destiny..

[dlgegg]

I have learned from Annie and others that I need to check out every 
possibility, not just the obvious.  Had I done so, we might have caught the 
kidney problem in time.  My vet has since done some research and found that 
with FELV cats, kidney problem are one of the first signs, just sorry that 
Annie had to suffer and die because we did not know that earlier.

 Marilyn Knapp Litt  wrote: 
> I am so sorry to hear about Gilbert. This sounds like much the same 
> progression.  The sinus drip was from the pressure, although we didn't know 
> that.  We just knew it was not bacterial.  
> 
> Her head started to swell and she didn't have the energy or strength to go to 
> her favorite spots.  (The cats rotated in a fair fashion.)  I hope Gilbert 
> will not take the same course, but it was only a few days after her eye was 
> closed that we made our decision. 
> 
> So sorry to hear about Gilbert and so wonderful to hear he spent his short 
> time in such a loving home.
> 
> Marilyn
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> ROBERT CHAPEL
> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 8:55 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Destiny..
> 
> Marilyn...
> So Sorry to  hear about Destiny... was afraid it was something like this when 
> it was discovered  that she was FeLV+  My Current Cat (
> Gilbert) is suffering much the same fate ( apart from the FeLV)... I am 
> keeping him on Prednisolone to keep the tumor in check for as long as we 
> can... and just last week he developed what appeared to be a sinus infection 
> ( though none of his exudate is purulent at this point) In his case the tumor 
> makes it impossible to _ close_ one of his eyes all the way( so I give him 
> drops several times a day to keep some moisture on the eyeball  We'll put 
> him down at the point that he stops eating or appears to be in severe pain... 
> neither has happened as yet...  I will miss him terribly... he is one of the 
> nicest cats I have ever met... Appears we have all been very fortunate to 
> have beautiful kitties with terrific personalities in our care and equally 
> unfortunate in losing them SO far before their reasonable time Your girl 
> sounds like she was a sweetie.  I am sorry...
> Bob
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Re: [Felvtalk] Preventing Stress

[dlgegg]

Prayer does a lot, I know.  I was supposed to die over 12 years ago from 4th 
stage cancer.


 Gloria  wrote: 
> I agree about Preventing Stress whenever we can!
> 
> I've chosen _not knowing_ for sure just because of that very thing - (stress 
> of vet visits & testing) especially with the testing results being of 
> question.
> 
> I deep massage from head to toe - he loves his belly & chest, under his 
> forelegs, toes - - all over to be massaged. 
> 
> I'm convinced massaging is great therapy and apply it to all the socialized 
> cat's we have.
> 
> My Buddy is kept in our guest room with plenty of interaction with the other 
> cats through plexiglas window in the door we made.  He gets at least two 
> hours of massages, play, hugs, etc. every night. 
> 
> I don't agree with vaccinations unless required by law.
> 
> I pray a lot! :)
> 
> (I have 15 cats I care for-all but 4 were feral-born and now "inside only" 
> cats.)
> 
> -g 🇺🇸
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jun 24, 2017, at 7:54 AM, Corinne Shank  wrote:
> > 
> > Marilyn,
> > 
> > I am so sorry for your loss.  I know how difficult it must be.  
> > 
> > I am curious though about what type of Felv test you had done. There is the 
> > Elisa test which is usually done in house and the IFA test which is done 
> > via a blood test at a lab and is supposed to be more accurate.   I have 
> > read that there are false positives with the Elisa test.  My cat tested 
> > positive with Elisa but negative with the IFA test.  I know I should 
> > probably take her back and have her retested, (as it has been more than 6 
> > months) but she is doing well and she gets really stressed by trips to the 
> > vet.  
> > 
> >> On Jun 24, 2017, at 7:27 AM, Sandy  wrote:
> >> 
> >> I'm so sorry Marilyn .   Destiny sounds like a sweet and 
> >> wonderful kitty cat.  You certainly are s great guardian for your furry 
> >> felines.  
> >> Sandy W
> >> 
> >> From: "Ardy Robertson" 
> >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 9:27:33 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Destiny
> >> 
> >> Oh Marilyn,
> >> Destiny sounds like she was such a beautiful kitty -- I'm happy she
> >> didn't have to suffer more.
> >> 
> >> I am curious though - you said she tested negative for FeLV, and then had
> >> the vaccine and boosters, not exposed to FeLV outside. What more could a 
> >> pet
> >> owner do! (I hate FeLV!!)
> >> 
> >> Ardy
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> >> Amani Oakley
> >> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 1:04 AM
> >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Destiny
> >> 
> >> Marilyn
> >> 
> >> I am so very sorry for your loss. I know you know how lucky Destiny was to
> >> have you caring so much for her. 
> >> 
> >> Amani
> >> 
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> >> Marilyn Knapp Litt
> >> Sent: June-24-17 12:34 AM
> >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >> Subject: [Felvtalk] Destiny
> >> 
> >> Just wanted to give you kind souls an update on my sweet Destiny.  I helped
> >> her cross the bridge last week, just a few weeks after her diagnosis.  The
> >> vet initially thought she had a nasal tumor, but tests were negative.  On
> >> this visit it was clear she had deteriorated in a week and had the vet was
> >> able to see the tumor. The vet said steroids would shrink it, but it would
> >> come roaring back.  Her head was so swollen that one eye was shut.  The 
> >> best
> >> thing we could do was let her go while she was still purring.
> >> 
> >> From onset to end there was nothing we could have changed with any 
> >> knowledge
> >> or treatment.  She had tested neg. for FeLv and had the vaccine and
> >> boosters. Our other cats are negative and she never went outdoors. Destiny
> >> enjoyed good health until very recently when her respitory infection turned
> >> out to be a tumor.  Nevertheless, it really helped us to have the support 
> >> of
> >> this community and know there was somewhere we could go for advice.
> >> 
> >> Thank you all and may you all have better success and hug your kitty
> >> tonight.  Destiny was a peacemaker.  I never saw her hiss once, but I saw
> >> her sit as close as she could to our cats who hissed at her, until they
> >> finally were won over.  The world needs more people like my special cat . .
> >> .
> >> 
> >> Marilyn Knapp Litt
> >> 
> >>  Marilyn Knapp Litt  wrote: 
> >> > Has anyone used these for FeLV?
> >> > 
> >> >  
> >> > 
> >> > My kitty, Destiny,  is battling a bad infection.  We were shocked to 
> >> > find she had FeLV.  She had had the shot and a booster.  The vet was 
> >> > treating her and the infection was getting worse and then we found out 
> >> > the terrible truth.  I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her
> >> comfortable.
> >> > She is on an antibiotic.  I am giving her Essiac tea.

Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

[dlgegg]

Thanks.  I got started with amazon when I broke my arm and could not carry 
heavy bags of liter and food and just stayed there.  Will check out Chewy.

 Gloria  wrote: 
> Topic was l-lysine FYI 🤓
> 
> I shop Amazon, Petflow, and many other online pet supply stores and chewy.com 
> has consistently been the best value and customer service. If you choose 
> their autoship you can save more $$on selected products.
> They didn't pay me for this-I just want others to know so they'll have more 
> $$ to continue caring for their companions.
> I currently care for 15 cats-mostly feral-born. One was diagnosed w/85% 
> chance of FeLV, but if he was infected I believe he was Devinely healed in 
> answer to my prayers for him.
> So, with the cost of caring for these precious creatures I'm always looking 
> for the best cost-saving products. :)
> Gloria
> -g 🇺🇸
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jun 21, 2017, at 5:00 PM, Pam Doore  wrote:
> > 
> > I get mine from chewy.com. I needs to be made for cats or it is bitter. Two 
> > of mine get the gel mixed in with flld 2x a day. The othet gets the treats, 
> > all from Chewy :-).
> > 
> >> On Jun 21, 2017 5:26 PM,  wrote:
> >> Okay, I am convinced.  Next question is where do you get the safe stuff.  
> >> There are many sources out there and I don't want to buy from a shady 
> >> seller.
> >> 
> >>  Amani Oakley  wrote:
> >> > Amy, you could have knocked me over with a feather too. I had some 
> >> > cannabis oil I had obtained for a relative with cancer, who eventually 
> >> > passed away. I had gotten the oil far too late in the day, 
> >> > unfortunately, as I too knew nothing about this stuff and was pretty 
> >> > darned skeptical - having been brought up as a "good girl" who had never 
> >> > ever tried drugs of any kind.
> >> >
> >> > I had seen a lot of information about the oil being excellent for skin 
> >> > cancer with just topical application, so one day, I had a cold sore 
> >> > starting at the corner of my mouth and I thought, why not? I put some on 
> >> > topically, put a band-aid over it overnight, and woke up to find it 
> >> > completely gone. I have used other stuff from the drug mart, and found 
> >> > that it assisted SOMETIMES in shortening the duration of the cold sore, 
> >> > but never before had I had the sore disappear on day one. I then did a 
> >> > Google search on cannabis oil and cold sores, and was stunned to find 
> >> > many many people reporting its significant effectiveness and research 
> >> > which found its effectiveness against herpes viruses.
> >> >
> >> > Amani
> >> >
> >> > -Original Message-
> >> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> >> > Amy Glunt
> >> > Sent: June-21-17 2:10 PM
> >> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
> >> >
> >> > I've spent countless hours researching cold sores and remedies for them, 
> >> > and NEVER, until now, have I heard anything about cannabis oil as a 
> >> > treatment. But now, when I search specifically for that in relation to 
> >> > herpes virus, I'm astounded...all this time, there's been a possible 
> >> > cure, and somehow this information isn't widely known or shared? Such a 
> >> > shame! And of course, I live in a red state that doesn't recognize 
> >> > medical marijuana. What a blow. All of the days I've had to miss work, 
> >> > all the pain and physical/mental suffering (my outbreaks are terrible 
> >> > and unforgiving, with swollen lymph nodes and fever symptoms)...and if 
> >> > only I could get some cannabis oil, I may no longer have to suffer. I'll 
> >> > hold out hope.
> >> > Once again, thank you Amani, for your incredibly vast amount of 
> >> > knowledge. You literally saved my cat's life, and maybe some day, your 
> >> > shared knowledge will save me from the agony of cold sores.
> >> >
> >> > Amy
> >> >
> >> > Sent from my iPhone
> >> >
> >> > > On Jun 21, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Amani Oakley  
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You 
> >> > > will see very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many 
> >> > > positive effects this substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged 
> >> > > when I did the research. It is clear that the decision to ban this 
> >> > > substance was fraught with racial overtones, and was introduced simply 
> >> > > because after the demise of prohibition, the government agency tasked 
> >> > > with enforcing prohibition, needed a new mandate. It is also appalling 
> >> > > that because of this ill-conceived war on drugs, and placing cannabis 
> >> > > on Schedule 1 in the United States, virtually all scientific testing 
> >> > > was either banned completely, or faced so many obstacles, that most 
> >> > > scientists avoided doing any research on it at all. Thus, much of the 
> >> > > scientific studies come from Spain and Israel. Oddly enough, when a 
> >> > > pharmaceutical company decided to extr

Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

[dlgegg]

Okay, I am convinced.  Next question is where do you get the safe stuff.  There 
are many sources out there and I don't want to buy from a shady seller.

 Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> Amy, you could have knocked me over with a feather too. I had some cannabis 
> oil I had obtained for a relative with cancer, who eventually passed away. I 
> had gotten the oil far too late in the day, unfortunately, as I too knew 
> nothing about this stuff and was pretty darned skeptical - having been 
> brought up as a "good girl" who had never ever tried drugs of any kind.
> 
> I had seen a lot of information about the oil being excellent for skin cancer 
> with just topical application, so one day, I had a cold sore starting at the 
> corner of my mouth and I thought, why not? I put some on topically, put a 
> band-aid over it overnight, and woke up to find it completely gone. I have 
> used other stuff from the drug mart, and found that it assisted SOMETIMES in 
> shortening the duration of the cold sore, but never before had I had the sore 
> disappear on day one. I then did a Google search on cannabis oil and cold 
> sores, and was stunned to find many many people reporting its significant 
> effectiveness and research which found its effectiveness against herpes 
> viruses.
> 
> Amani
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy 
> Glunt
> Sent: June-21-17 2:10 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
> 
> I've spent countless hours researching cold sores and remedies for them, and 
> NEVER, until now, have I heard anything about cannabis oil as a treatment. 
> But now, when I search specifically for that in relation to herpes virus, I'm 
> astounded...all this time, there's been a possible cure, and somehow this 
> information isn't widely known or shared? Such a shame! And of course, I live 
> in a red state that doesn't recognize medical marijuana. What a blow. All of 
> the days I've had to miss work, all the pain and physical/mental suffering 
> (my outbreaks are terrible and unforgiving, with swollen lymph nodes and 
> fever symptoms)...and if only I could get some cannabis oil, I may no longer 
> have to suffer. I'll hold out hope. 
> Once again, thank you Amani, for your incredibly vast amount of knowledge. 
> You literally saved my cat's life, and maybe some day, your shared knowledge 
> will save me from the agony of cold sores. 
> 
> Amy
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jun 21, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> > 
> > Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You will 
> > see very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive effects 
> > this substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the research. 
> > It is clear that the decision to ban this substance was fraught with racial 
> > overtones, and was introduced simply because after the demise of 
> > prohibition, the government agency tasked with enforcing prohibition, 
> > needed a new mandate. It is also appalling that because of this 
> > ill-conceived war on drugs, and placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in the 
> > United States, virtually all scientific testing was either banned 
> > completely, or faced so many obstacles, that most scientists avoided doing 
> > any research on it at all. Thus, much of the scientific studies come from 
> > Spain and Israel. Oddly enough, when a pharmaceutical company decided to 
> > extract one of the key substances from the cannabis plant and market it as 
> > Marinol, it suddenly went from having no known medicinal qualities (the 
> > criteria to have it listed in Schedule 1) to being a very effective drug 
> > which can be marketed and can make lots of money for the drug company.
> > 
> > Do your own research. There is tons of stuff on the internet. There are 
> > Harvard professors and top-notch researchers turning out excellent, amazing 
> > research regarding the healing powers of this substance.
> > 
> > Oh, and the reason why so many of the States are now recognizing it for its 
> > medicinal qualities and legalizing it, is because it is unbelievably 
> > effective in helping young children suffering from severe forms of epilepsy 
> > where they literally convulse hundreds of times an hour, and the only 
> > medications heretofore even slightly effective would put these children 
> > into complete zombie states. Cannabis not only relieves the unbearable 
> > non-stop seizures, but doesn’t affect the children's level of 
> > consciousness. Parents in states which have not legalized marijuana have 
> > literally moved their whole families to other states to access medical 
> > marijuana when they have children suffering these syndromes. Even 
> > Republicans have in some instances been moved to back bills legalizing 
> > medical marijuana, when they have been confronted with these suffering 
> > children. Medical marijuana has also been found to be very effective

Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

[dlgegg]

I agree on the cannibinol.  I wonder if maybe some of this is to justify making 
it legal saying it is for medical reasons.  It can't be all that wonderful, 
nothing is and when someone tells me that, I get suspicious.

 ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote: 
> 


Amy
I'm not able to link to the article simply because it was not something 
I held on to...  At the time I had two FeLV+ young cats and I did NOT 
want to hear that one of the few things that I COULD do for them was 
useless  I mentioned it to a couple of vets who were rather 
insistent that it IS useful  Yes/No Maybe so  : )  I chose to 
believe and did not make a point of keeping the article for 
reference...  and Amani ( if you happen to read this)  I am getting 
hopeful about all of the uses of cannabinol ( though I AM suspect when 
something is said to be useful for everything from Cancer to 
Transmission Trouble in Oldsmobiles)...  With all the Hoopla there must 
be a pony in there somewhere..


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Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

[dlgegg]

That is the important thing, did it work for you.  That is how I judge nay 
thing I take.

 Marilyn Knapp Litt  wrote: 
> Well put!  My philosophy exactly.  I am doing what I can and what can I do if 
> I accept that common remedies do not work?  For example I take quinine for my 
> restless legs.  The FDA ruled it does not work . . . but it works for me . . 
> . 
> 
> Marilyn
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> ROBERT CHAPEL
> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 2:04 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
> 
> I too have read " A" study insisting that Lysine is of little value for 
> Herpes...  don't know if there is a lot of data about it's ineffectiveness 
> but vets I have gone to insist that it IS effective   I'd prefer to " 
> believe" at this point rather than to feel helpless... there are other 
> anti-virals one can use but they are rather expensive and have their share of 
> side effects  Once again... 
> have to weight the benefits against the drawbacks.
> 
> 
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> > Lycine is supposed to suppress, not eliminate, reproduction of the 
> > virus.  Apparently it has been in use for decades.  It is an amino 
> > acid, so not harmful.  Googling just now I found a study that says it 
> > does not work.  Nevertheless, I am going to use it to try and protect 
> > my other cats. Destiny's infection was never cultured, so might not be 
> > Herpe's anyway.  Antibiotic seems to not be working either.  I am 
> > feeding cat food with a syringe and she is going to the vet today for 
> > a consult on using steroids and Zander's Protocol.
> >
> >
> > Marilyn
> >
> >
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> > Of Ardy Robertson
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 7:09 AM
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> > May I ask ? what is lycine that was mentioned for use in water dishes 
> > (not that Topaz drinks out of dishes! But Peekers does.)
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant

[dlgegg]

I am wondering if colloidial silver would help.  I am soon going in for heart 
surgery and am taking mine with me to super bug infections.  Can cats take 
this?  Just a thought.

 Marilyn Knapp Litt  wrote: 
> Has anyone used these for FeLV?
> 
>  
> 
> My kitty, Destiny,  is battling a bad infection.  We were shocked to find
> she had FeLV.  She had had the shot and a booster.  The vet was treating her
> and the infection was getting worse and then we found out the terrible
> truth.  I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her comfortable.
> She is on an antibiotic.  I am giving her Essiac tea.  No idea if it is
> effective.
> 
>  
> 
> I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV.
> 
>  
> 
> I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find info
> on using them with cancer, not FeLV.  Anyone have a suggestion about
> boosting her immune system and fighting this infection?  We thought we were
> going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better the last 24 hours.
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you!
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert

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I am keeping my vet up to date on things that have worked in the past for other 
FELV kitties so she can add them to her arsenal and study them on her own.  I 
am so glad to have found someone who is willing to work with me and at least 
check it out for herself.  

 Ardy Robertson  wrote: 
> I am probably a little late responding – I didn’t check my emails for a few 
> days, but I used buprenorphine on my Tigger also for his pain. One night 
> during the night he came running and jumped up in bed with us and was showing 
> signs of pain. I cut the dose in fourths, so I was giving him the smallest 
> amount that would work, and I gave it to him in a syringe without the needle 
> part. He seemed to ask for it. It did not make him drowsy, and worked very 
> fast.
> 
> Ardy
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Sheri Burbridge
> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 1:15 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you for loving him so hard during his last days. It will undoubtedly be 
> difficult to see him go but it's the price we pay to give them the quality of 
> life they deserve. 
> 
> My Mo was on buprenorphine in his last week. It was in little syringes that 
> went right on the gums/tongue, maybe it would help? It can make them sleepy 
> but I don't think it put him in a stupor.
> 
> I hope you find something to help him, it's so hard to see them struggle.
> 
>  
> 
> On Thu, Jun 8, 2017, 1:04 PM   > wrote:
> 
> While you are away from home, you could place pillows or soft mats around his 
> favorite up high places in case he falls and block off stairs.  This way he 
> could still be free to roam.  I hope you will find some meds for him and he 
> can be close to you when the time comes.  As for not getting attached, that 
> is impossible.  Five minutes after they are with you, you have lost.  God b e 
> with you both and give him a peaceful passing.
> 
>  ROBERT CHAPEL mailto:bcha...@optonline.net> > 
> wrote:
> > My latest boy Gilbert... who is not FeLV but does have a Cancerous
> Tumor behind his Right eye that is extending into his jaw and mouth, is
> beginning to show signs of pain ( periodically bats at his jaw with his
> paw and rubs his eye and jaw repeatedly against objects...eating is off
> and he shifts food to the left side of his mouth and uses rocking
> motions of his head to chew rather than opening and closing his jaw
> I have a couple of suboxone syringes left and I'm sure I can get the
> shelter to prescribe pain meds ( I'm fostering him for them) but wanted
> to ask you folks what you all have used in the past for pain control or
> amelioration  I don't want the guy to hurt but don't want him to
> have to spend all his days in a stupor either as he is not , apparently,
> in such constant pain that he is not interested in appreciating the day
> or exploring a little bit.  As predicted I am going to be
> heartbroken when he passes I thought that knowing in advance that I
> was taking a dying cat I might be less prone to intense attachment but
> apparently I am not built that way this boy is one of the sweetest,
> gentlest cats I have ever met all he wants is to be near people...to
> sit on laps and to be petted ( perhaps being Brain damaged affected the
> " ignore" center in his brain : )...  The fact that his balance is a
> little off and he ofen holds his head at an odd angle just adds to the
> affection I feel for this brave guy ( Yeah, I know... it's built into
> his  genetics to survive but there is still something courageous about
> watching this boy non complainingly doing his best to make do...   Have
> any of you used meds that helped with pain that did not completely put
> your cats into a stupor   I'm worried about my boy because he is
> already less than able with his balance and I am not always home...
> would like for him not to hurt himself attempting to jump on something
> and missisng..   Ultimately I could keep him confined to a "safe"
> room... but that is a last resort thing. I took him from the shelter
> so that he would not be confined and would like him to have free rein
> for as long as I can.
> Thanks for any experiences you might be able to contribute
> 
> Bob
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pain Meds for Gilbert....

[dlgegg]

Just like in human medicine, things help one problem and cause another.  It 
seems to come down to which problem is the worst or least bad.  Just read in 
Mercola about gene editing to change a person's genetic code.  There are 
unwanted edits which can be harmful.  To make a decision for our babies, is 
hard.  If I had been able to stop Annie's pain, I think I would have done 
anything, but at what cost to her.  It is like giving steroids to stop knee 
pain.  They dissolve bone and cause so many other problems, it is not worth it. 
 I found that out when the dr gave me the shots in my knees.  My blood sugar 
shot up to 700 for about 3 days.  I now take hyaleuronic injections that do not 
affect my blood sugar.  In fact they don't seem to have any side effects.  They 
cost almost twice as much but last for 6 months so the cost comes out the same. 
 I just wish they could talk so they could tell us when and where  they hurt, 
but their instinct is to hide pain so predators will not know they are disabled 
in any way.  

 ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote: 
> 

Thank you for all the responses re: pain meds  I was hoping there 
was something out there that I hadn't heard about ( actually there are 
many but I was hoping for first hand experience)... The shelter is 
mulling over providing Buprenorphine... but.. in the meantime I got them 
to reinstate his prednisolone ( which is seemingly already 
helpingHOPE it continues to do so)...  Wondering if anyone had used 
larger doses than 5mg BID..
This is a cat  that probably doesn't have a long time to go but one 
never knows  I don't want to play " fast and loose"  with his other 
organ systems by giving to much of a a steroid... Yes... I want him 
comfortable but it would be awful if the tumor receded and I ended up 
screwing up his remaining days with Cushings or Severe Diabetes...  I 
did a rather extensive overview of pain meds for Cats today and found it 
very hard to obtain definitive information  Probably need to go to 
original Vet Sources  Sure hope kitties have natural endorphins that 
keep their pain levels lower because it is DAMN hard to find stuff that 
will help their pain
BTW...  I gave him a little alprazolam the other night when he was in 
REAL pain ( prior to redosing with Pred)
He had a paradoxical reaction at first ( acting kitten like and climbing 
things he had NO business being on ...considering that the drug had 
completely screwed up his balance...  He acted like a drunk essentially 
until enough time passed that he could sleep it off ( which he did most 
of the next day)... On the plus side.. he was not in obvious pain for at 
least 10 hours!!...  

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Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..

[dlgegg]

Anything that avoids putting things into their mouths is good by me.  Even 
Annie as sick as she was, she fought like a full grown tiger.  It was hard to 
hold her and administer the meds at the same time and I did not know anyone who 
was willing to help me.  Plus, she was is such a state by the time we finished 
that I felt guilty for doing this to her.

 Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> Hi Marge
> 
> My vet has mentioned to me that the transdermal isn’t always dependable, and 
> that different clients have had different experiences with it. I personally 
> prefer it because it avoids having to put something in the cat's mouth, and 
> especially with a really sick cat who may need other medications or food fed 
> to him or her, it is just one less thing to have to get into their mouths. I 
> have never had a problem with the effectiveness of the transdermal. However, 
> I agree with you that an immediate absorption of the buprenorphine close to 
> the site you want to effect, is a good option. That is a reason I like the 
> transdermal in the ear as well, since it is fairly close to the mouth as well.
> 
> Amani
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo
> Sent: June-08-17 7:27 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..
> 
> 
> 
> For my girl with the oral cancer, it seemed to help that it was given right 
> at the source of the pain. We got a curved tip syringe and it was tiny at the 
> end. Just slipped between her lips without seeming to cause pain. The 
> injectible was much slower to show effect, as was the transdermal.
> 
> But every cat and situation is different. I hope you find something that 
> works for Gilbert
> 
> 
> Margo
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> >From: Amani Oakley 
> >Sent: Jun 8, 2017 5:53 PM
> >To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
> >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..
> >
> >Bob - my vets get buprenorphine in a transdermal cream which gets applied to 
> >the inner ear. The cream is specially compounded by a vet compounding 
> >pharmacy they use. I find it very effective and certainly helps not having 
> >to give it orally when the mouth hurts.
> >
> >Amani
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> >ROBERT CHAPEL
> >Sent: June-08-17 2:28 PM
> >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert and Pain Meds..
> >
> >Thanks Sheri...
> >
> >The medication I mentioned ( Suboxone) is the brand name for Buphenorphine ( 
> >which I could not recollect at the time of my note) I have a LOT of 
> >experience with  _ Buphenorphine_ from my months with my Little Yogi who was 
> >plagued with Uveitis... He was on it quite a while...   I gave a syringe to 
> >Gilbert and it appeared to help a bit...   may be the best choice... I don't 
> >know, but wanted to ask the group if they've used other things...  
> >Particularly since Gilberts mouth hurts quite a bit and I'd actually prefer 
> >something injectable or something that could be added to his food   The 
> >only reliable way to medicate him right now without causing him discomfort 
> >is subq ...   so I guess he'll have to have a moments discomfort in exchange 
> >for a longer period of more comfort...
> >>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Shelters and Sanctuaries for FelV

[dlgegg]

I am planning to send my babies to Rustic Hollow in Iowa when  I pass away.  
They do ask a fee, but my guys are on special food and this has to cover vet 
bills also since they will be there for the rest of their lives.  All things 
considered, it is not too high for me to be sure my babies will have a good 
home.  They also take FELV positive kitties.

 Pam Doore  wrote: 
> Thank you, Bob.  I will be in touch with the two that you mentioned.
> Before I adopted my momma and her two boys I was looking for rescues to
> take them.  I found two; one required $1,000 surrender fee and the other
> was a $3,000 surrender fee.  Unfortunately though, and I understand the
> financial need to shelters caring for FeLv cats, those two surrender fees
> were cost prohibitive.
> 
> I am looking forward to learning from this group :-D.
> 
> Pam :)
> On Jun 8, 2017 12:36 PM, "ROBERT CHAPEL"  wrote:
> 
> >  Pam...
> >
> >
> > Loveandhopeforanimals  http://loveandhopeforanimals.org
> >  (a well funded operation in Upstate New York)   and
> > Aslanscats   also in the Northeast
> > Are the only ones that come to mind at the moment...Also you might
> > give a look at  Seer Farms  in Lakewood NJ. These are the only ones
> > that are driveable distance from where I get the impression you are
> > from.I know there are others but the small operations are often
> > questionable as they are often well meaning but frequently so underfunded
> > that the animals do not get adequate care  I don't think most of us
> > want to send these more unfortunate creatures simply off to a place that
> > will treat them like Hospice Pets ( unless they are truly close to
> > death) When I first got my FeLV boys I did a LOT of calling around
> > the US to shelters and Sanctuaries that looked after FeLV cats and one call
> > led to contacts at another and so onit's been a while but would
> > recommend you do the same Frankly... the best care info I received was
> > from this group... but that does not obviate the possibility that there are
> > others out there that have execellent suggestions or resources that would
> > be helpful..   Sorry I can't provide more but , though retired, I'm
> > swamped with things that MUST be done today...
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Gilbert

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While you are away from home, you could place pillows or soft mats around his 
favorite up high places in case he falls and block off stairs.  This way he 
could still be free to roam.  I hope you will find some meds for him and he can 
be close to you when the time comes.  As for not getting attached, that is 
impossible.  Five minutes after they are with you, you have lost.  God b e with 
you both and give him a peaceful passing.

 ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote: 
> My latest boy Gilbert... who is not FeLV but does have a Cancerous 
Tumor behind his Right eye that is extending into his jaw and mouth, is 
beginning to show signs of pain ( periodically bats at his jaw with his 
paw and rubs his eye and jaw repeatedly against objects...eating is off 
and he shifts food to the left side of his mouth and uses rocking 
motions of his head to chew rather than opening and closing his jaw
I have a couple of suboxone syringes left and I'm sure I can get the 
shelter to prescribe pain meds ( I'm fostering him for them) but wanted 
to ask you folks what you all have used in the past for pain control or 
amelioration  I don't want the guy to hurt but don't want him to 
have to spend all his days in a stupor either as he is not , apparently, 
in such constant pain that he is not interested in appreciating the day 
or exploring a little bit.  As predicted I am going to be 
heartbroken when he passes I thought that knowing in advance that I 
was taking a dying cat I might be less prone to intense attachment but 
apparently I am not built that way this boy is one of the sweetest, 
gentlest cats I have ever met all he wants is to be near people...to 
sit on laps and to be petted ( perhaps being Brain damaged affected the 
" ignore" center in his brain : )...  The fact that his balance is a 
little off and he ofen holds his head at an odd angle just adds to the 
affection I feel for this brave guy ( Yeah, I know... it's built into 
his  genetics to survive but there is still something courageous about 
watching this boy non complainingly doing his best to make do...   Have 
any of you used meds that helped with pain that did not completely put 
your cats into a stupor   I'm worried about my boy because he is 
already less than able with his balance and I am not always home... 
would like for him not to hurt himself attempting to jump on something 
and missisng..   Ultimately I could keep him confined to a "safe" 
room... but that is a last resort thing. I took him from the shelter 
so that he would not be confined and would like him to have free rein 
for as long as I can.
Thanks for any experiences you might be able to contribute

Bob


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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

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The doctor said she felt the one kidney was enlarged and firm.  She got so 
stressed from the bloodwork that she was given oxygen for 5 minutes.  They also 
gave her fluids and I brought a bag home to give her more every 3 days.  By the 
time I got home, she had perked up and ate a small can of food.  She seemed 
normal until the moment of death when she howled in pain and collapsed in my 
lap.  Apparently the kidney problem had been going on longer than we knew and 
of coure, she did not act diffrent until the day she stopped eating and that is 
the day I took her to the vet.  She had been loosing weight over the last year 
and we started her on kitten food to increase weight.  I am afraid I missed 
something.  The next time there is any weight loss, we will do a full workup 
and a more detailed blood work.  And check the kidneys.  With th beginning of 
seeing Annie, the vet began to do research on FELV and has learned that any 
abnormality in kidney size, shape and firmness and blood results is a sure sign 
of FELV at work.  She said any thing that says kidney malfunction will be a 
sign that we concentrate on testing to find out what is going on.  She had 
ordered the Doxy and is willing to do Winstrol and has a pharamist nearby who 
will compound anything we need.  That is one step in the right direction.
Annie died at 8:00 pm the night we went to the vet but at least she was at 
home, in my lap and had a few hours of feeling better.

 ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote: 
> I'm a little confused at this point there are many condolence notes 
here but thte last that I read Annie wasn't doing well but her blood 
work did not suggest that she was likely to pass in the next few days..
Has there been any change??   If she did die I am of course VERY sorry.. 
but I am hoping not...
Please let us know...

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Re: [Felvtalk] Annie

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I have known all along that I would loose her one day, but it still hurts.  She 
did have 8 years with me so I have that to be thankful for.  She joins a 
growing list of furbabies that have crossed over the bridge.  Now she will be 
in pain no longer.

 Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> I don't have a lot to go on, but based on the results, and the physical 
> finding of a painful kidney, it might be a kidney infection gone septic. The 
> total white cell count is low, which may occur when the white cells migrate 
> out of blood circulation to move towards an area of infection in the tissues. 
> You have given a low neutrophil count, but I would also be interested in what 
> is the percentage of neutrophils. If it is a bacterial infection, I would 
> expect a higher than normal percentage of neutrophils. Also, I would be 
> looking for a left shift in the neutrophils. Did they report any immature 
> neutrophils like band cells? Any other neutrophil abnormalities such as toxic 
> granulation? 
> 
> The first thing I would focus on is ensuring sufficient hydration. Keep up 
> with the subcutaneous fluids at home. Also, oxygen would help since you want 
> to keep the cells well-perfused and with the dehydration and drop of red 
> cells (though they aren't too low), and oxygen needed at the clinic, you 
> should give her some more if you have a source of it at home. I am concerned 
> that she isn't already on doxycycline. I would perhaps ask the vet to 
> consider intravenous antibiotics, to get the antibiotics levels to go up 
> faster than orally, and then you can give her the oral antibiotics. If it is 
> a kidney infection, fluid replacement and antibiotic therapy is likely far 
> more important than food intake right now.
> 
> It isn't clear that this is an infection, but it might be. Was she tested for 
> vital signs? Did she have temperature, and possibly elevated heart rate. It 
> seems that she certainly would have had a reduced blood pressure, which again 
> is consistent with sepsis from an infection, but isn't the only thing that 
> might cause that.
> 
> I don't think this is a Winstrol situation just yet. I think instead that a 
> combination of broad spectrum antibiotics along with some 
> prednisone/prednisolone might be the better approach.
> 
> However, given that there is no definitive diagnosis yet, you need to watch 
> her closely. If there isn't an improvement fairly quickly on the antibiotics, 
> your vet will probably be considering other explanations.
> 
> Amani
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> dlg...@windstream.net
> Sent: May-31-17 5:52 PM
> To: felv
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Annie
> 
> We just got back from the vet and Annie is not in good shape.  She stopped 
> eating this am.  I did get some broth from Mackeral down her, but no soloids. 
>  The vet has ordered Doxy formulated so it will be liquid.  She will get it 2 
> times daily.  I have told her about Winstrol and she read up on it and is 
> willing to get it for us is needed.  She had to try 3 times for blood.  It 
> came out so slowely and started clotting too fast to to the tests.  She is 
> also dehydrated so gave sub q fluids and gave me more to bring home.  She 
> also had to give her some oxygen for 5 minutes, her brain was not getting 
> enough.  After 5 min, she bounced back.  Dr. Said she was stressed by the 
> exam.  
> Bloodwork:  RBC  - LOW 4.78
>HCT - LOW  23.7
>HGB - LOW  8.4
>RETC HIGH  62.7
>WBC LOW  4.54
>NEU LOW  2.41
>
>   BUN HIGH  59
>   ALKP  LOW  10
>   TBIL  HIGH  1.5
> EVERYTHING ELSE IS IN NORMAL RANGE.  
> sHE ALSO SAID ONE KIDNY SEEMS ENLARGED AND SLIGHTLY FIRM AND SHE CRIED WHEN 
> SHE APPLIED PRESSURE TO THAT AREA.
> sHE HAS ALSO LOST WEIGHT, DOWN FROM 6.6 LAST VISIT.  wE HAD STARTED HER ON 
> KITTNE FOOD TO BRING HER WEIGHT UP AND SHE HAD BEEN EATING UNTIL THIS AM.  i 
> JUST RECEIVED A SHIPMENT OF BLUE BUFFALO CANNED FOOD AND I PLAN TO START HER 
> ON THAT MIXED WITH WARM WATER.  AT LEAST SHE GETS SOME NOURISHMENT FROM THE 
> LIQUID.  i ALSO HAVE A TANK OF OXYGEN LEFT FROM MY FATHER THAT i CAN GIVE HER 
> SOME IS SHE NEEDS IT.  
> 
> aNY SUGGESTIONS?  SHE WILL GO ALONG WITH ANY RECOMMENDATIONS.  sO NICE TO 
> HAVE A VET LIKE THAT.
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Annie

[dlgegg]

THANK YOU FOR CONFIRMING THAT WE ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK IT MEANS A LOT TO ME.

 Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> I don't have a lot to go on, but based on the results, and the physical 
> finding of a painful kidney, it might be a kidney infection gone septic. The 
> total white cell count is low, which may occur when the white cells migrate 
> out of blood circulation to move towards an area of infection in the tissues. 
> You have given a low neutrophil count, but I would also be interested in what 
> is the percentage of neutrophils. If it is a bacterial infection, I would 
> expect a higher than normal percentage of neutrophils. Also, I would be 
> looking for a left shift in the neutrophils. Did they report any immature 
> neutrophils like band cells? Any other neutrophil abnormalities such as toxic 
> granulation? 
> 
> The first thing I would focus on is ensuring sufficient hydration. Keep up 
> with the subcutaneous fluids at home. Also, oxygen would help since you want 
> to keep the cells well-perfused and with the dehydration and drop of red 
> cells (though they aren't too low), and oxygen needed at the clinic, you 
> should give her some more if you have a source of it at home. I am concerned 
> that she isn't already on doxycycline. I would perhaps ask the vet to 
> consider intravenous antibiotics, to get the antibiotics levels to go up 
> faster than orally, and then you can give her the oral antibiotics. If it is 
> a kidney infection, fluid replacement and antibiotic therapy is likely far 
> more important than food intake right now.
> 
> It isn't clear that this is an infection, but it might be. Was she tested for 
> vital signs? Did she have temperature,(  WAS 99.9)
 and possibly elevated heart rate. It seems that she certainly would have had a 
reduced blood pressure, which again is consistent with sepsis from an 
infection, but isn't the only thing that might cause that.
> 
> I don't think this is a Winstrol situation just yet. I think instead that a 
> combination of broad spectrum antibiotics along with some 
> prednisone/prednisolone  THAT IS WHAT THE DR. THINKS AND WE CAN DO THAT 
> TOMORROW WHEN i GO IN TO GET THE dOXY). might be the better approach.
> 
> However, given that there is no definitive diagnosis yet, you need to watch 
> her closely. If there isn't an improvement fairly quickly on the antibiotics, 
> your vet will probably be considering other explanations.  i LIKE HER 
> APPROACH TO THIS AND THE FACT THAT SHE IS WILLING TO DO THE WINSTROL GIVES ME 
> HOPE.  aNNIE IS 10 YEARS OLD AND THE VET SAID THAT THIS IS AGE WHEN FELV 
> BEGINS TO TAKE IT'S TOLL.
> 
> Amani
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> dlg...@windstream.net
> Sent: May-31-17 5:52 PM
> To: felv
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Annie
> 
> We just got back from the vet and Annie is not in good shape.  She stopped 
> eating this am.  I did get some broth from Mackeral down her, but no soloids. 
>  The vet has ordered Doxy formulated so it will be liquid.  She will get it 2 
> times daily.  I have told her about Winstrol and she read up on it and is 
> willing to get it for us is needed.  She had to try 3 times for blood.  It 
> came out so slowely and started clotting too fast to to the tests.  She is 
> also dehydrated so gave sub q fluids and gave me more to bring home.  She 
> also had to give her some oxygen for 5 minutes, her brain was not getting 
> enough.  After 5 min, she bounced back.  Dr. Said she was stressed by the 
> exam.  
> Bloodwork:  RBC  - LOW 4.78
>HCT - LOW  23.7
>HGB - LOW  8.4
>RETC HIGH  62.7
>WBC LOW  4.54
>NEU LOW  2.41
>
>   BUN HIGH  59
>   ALKP  LOW  10
>   TBIL  HIGH  1.5
> EVERYTHING ELSE IS IN NORMAL RANGE.  
> sHE ALSO SAID ONE KIDNY SEEMS ENLARGED AND SLIGHTLY FIRM AND SHE CRIED WHEN 
> SHE APPLIED PRESSURE TO THAT AREA.
> sHE HAS ALSO LOST WEIGHT, DOWN FROM 6.6 LAST VISIT.  wE HAD STARTED HER ON 
> KITTNE FOOD TO BRING HER WEIGHT UP AND SHE HAD BEEN EATING UNTIL THIS AM.  i 
> JUST RECEIVED A SHIPMENT OF BLUE BUFFALO CANNED FOOD AND I PLAN TO START HER 
> ON THAT MIXED WITH WARM WATER.  AT LEAST SHE GETS SOME NOURISHMENT FROM THE 
> LIQUID.  i ALSO HAVE A TANK OF OXYGEN LEFT FROM MY FATHER THAT i CAN GIVE HER 
> SOME IS SHE NEEDS IT.  
> 
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> HAVE A VET LIKE THAT.
> 
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We just got back from the vet and Annie is not in good shape.  She stopped 
eating this am.  I did get some broth from Mackeral down her, but no soloids.  
The vet has ordered Doxy formulated so it will be liquid.  She will get it 2 
times daily.  I have told her about Winstrol and she read up on it and is 
willing to get it for us is needed.  She had to try 3 times for blood.  It came 
out so slowely and started clotting too fast to to the tests.  She is also 
dehydrated so gave sub q fluids and gave me more to bring home.  She also had 
to give her some oxygen for 5 minutes, her brain was not getting enough.  After 
5 min, she bounced back.  Dr. Said she was stressed by the exam.  
Bloodwork:  RBC  - LOW 4.78
   HCT - LOW  23.7
   HGB - LOW  8.4
   RETC HIGH  62.7
   WBC LOW  4.54
   NEU LOW  2.41
   
  BUN HIGH  59
  ALKP  LOW  10
  TBIL  HIGH  1.5
EVERYTHING ELSE IS IN NORMAL RANGE.  
sHE ALSO SAID ONE KIDNY SEEMS ENLARGED AND SLIGHTLY FIRM AND SHE CRIED WHEN SHE 
APPLIED PRESSURE TO THAT AREA.
sHE HAS ALSO LOST WEIGHT, DOWN FROM 6.6 LAST VISIT.  wE HAD STARTED HER ON 
KITTNE FOOD TO BRING HER WEIGHT UP AND SHE HAD BEEN EATING UNTIL THIS AM.  i 
JUST RECEIVED A SHIPMENT OF BLUE BUFFALO CANNED FOOD AND I PLAN TO START HER ON 
THAT MIXED WITH WARM WATER.  AT LEAST SHE GETS SOME NOURISHMENT FROM THE 
LIQUID.  i ALSO HAVE A TANK OF OXYGEN LEFT FROM MY FATHER THAT i CAN GIVE HER 
SOME IS SHE NEEDS IT.  

aNY SUGGESTIONS?  SHE WILL GO ALONG WITH ANY RECOMMENDATIONS.  sO NICE TO HAVE 
A VET LIKE THAT.



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Re: [Felvtalk] People who don't care about animals...

[dlgegg]

Not only care for pets, but their fellow humans.  

 Ardy Robertson  wrote: 
> I have read a lot on the subject of sociopaths and criminals, and most of 
> them started being cruel to animals as young children.
> 
> It's also amazing to me that there seems to be no middle ground for cats - 
> people either love them or hate them, and I don't understand why. I 
> personally brought home all kinds of strays as a child and my parents either 
> let me keep them, or they found good homes for them. I had dolls but 
> preferred to dress up my cats and push them around in doll-buggies. They 
> didn't seem to mind a bit! I think it is important for parents to allow their 
> kids to have pets and care for them, to cultivate a caring for animal life.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> ROBERT CHAPEL
> Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 2:44 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] People who don't care about animals...
> 
> 
> I have, obviously ( as do all of us) a very difficult time reconciling how 
> someone could NOT care about animals or worse... use and abuse them for 
> profit.   In truth... I think my anger at such people is more than a bit 
> beyond the pale and I worry, honestly, about getting myself in real legal 
> trouble should I encounter someone in the act of purposely harming an 
> animal...   I try to remind myself to NOT be so self Righteous since I 
> had nothing to do with the caring I have for animals I was simply "made" 
> that way... it was part of me from the earliest years that I can remember 
>  Had my genes been different..perhaps I'd be running a dog fighting ring..
> Beyond this, though, I feel it IS justified to require people to at least ACT 
> decently even if their heart does not melt for animals   Ok... so maybe 
> they don't particularly care about the miserable lives many animals ( and 
> people) have  I don't ask that they _ feel_ differently but I DO expect 
> that they will not c
 on
>  tribute to or exacerbate that misery   This is MY line in the sand and I 
> have NO forgiveness in my heart for people who do so People never cease 
> to amaze me both with their capacity for goodness and caring and their utter 
> lack of these same traits... how such polar opposites can exist in the same  
> ( purportedly sentient) species boggles my mind.   It does my heart a 
> world of good to know that all of you are out there making life better for 
> the little creatures that can do so little to improve their own lot... your 
> kindness humbles me
> 
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Amani

[dlgegg]

It pays to investigate and be sure.  Don't always accept what someone tells 
you. 

 Lorrie  wrote: 
> Thank you Amani. This was such a wonderful story.
> 
> Lorrie
> 
> On 05-26, Amani Oakley wrote:
> 
>  
> > I took home a little girl last year, who also had a diagnosis of
> > cancer. The shelter where she had been staying, was closing down
> > and she was obviously not adoptable. Someone at the shelter had
> > heard of my reputation for being a sap for hard luck cases, so I
> > was contacted out of the blue and asked if I would take her and let
> > her live out her days sleeping on a comforter instead of in a
> > shelter. I agreed. After watching her for a while, and obtaining
> > her previous medical records and reviewing them, I was skeptical
> > that she had cancer. She wasn???t deteriorating, but she had a
> > whole lot of serious pain from something. Happily, after much
> > running around and thousands of dollars, we had her in for surgery
> > in March and a piece of tissue was removed (a remnant it appears,
> > from an infected uterus which was removed) and I was so gratified
> > to see the immediate change in her personality. She immediately
> > brightened up - even played a bit - and started hanging around us
> > instead of being in a poor mood and sleeping alone upstairs all the
> > time. She still has pain but it has markedly reduced.
> > 
> > Every once in a while - something disastrous turns good. I am
> > crossing my fingers for your new charge.
> > 
> > Amani
> > 
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Re: [Felvtalk] People who don't care about animals...

[dlgegg]

Sadly, this will not stop them.  When I reported someone for animal abuse, the 
investigator said most likely when he makes his report, he includes child, 
elder or spouse abuse also.  These people are ill, enjoy hurting someone who 
cannot defend themselves.

 Lorrie  wrote: 
>  
> > When people don't care about animals, you can make them give a crap
> > by explaining to them that psychopathic killers start out killing
> > animals. If you can't get them to give a damn about abused animals,
> > they sure perk up when they realize that after practicing on
> > animals, these killers move on to children and other people.
> > 
> > Amani
> 
> Excellent idea and one I will remember and use.
> 
> Lorrie
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Re: [Felvtalk] Animal Welfare

[dlgegg]

It is frustrating.  People say they are just animals, but even so, they deserve 
respect and kindness.  Lest we forget that science considers us animals 
descended from apes.  Does that mean we do not deserve kindness and respect.

 ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote: 
> Jennifer...
Yes... I am already swamped daily with petition after petition as well 
as plea after plea for money to help everything from Housepets to 
Miniature Donkeys  If fact...  it's hard to NOT go vigilante as the 
laws of the land as they now stand still do not accord animals the 
justice they deserve... You can virtually devastate the life of an 
animal...well loved by it's human family or unknown to anyone and still 
get little more than a slap on the wrist in the legal system It is 
up to us as citizens to make it known to these reprobates that WE think 
of them as defective and if they are unreachable to shun them in every 
way possible
I'm tempted to say more but the world of email has a way of coming round 
and misquoting you later on down the road


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>4. Animal WELfare (Jennifer Olson)
>5. Re: People who don't care about animals... (kat)
>6. My Martin.so handsomehe was the 5th of my babies to
>   suffer from this horrific disease.   I even tried LTCI
>   INJECTIONS.  with my JoeI've lost Clayton, and Apache and
>   Charlie.?.  I'm sad, broken hearted and angry.   I've been 
> in
>   rescue for 20 yrs. But this is the first I've been broken 
> hearted
>   and watched FELV take them one by onethank you all for your
>   love and kindness (rosebudcocopuff)
>7. Re: My Martin.so handsomehe was the 5th of my babies
>   to suffer from this horrific disease.   I even tried LTCI
>   INJECTIONS.  with my JoeI've lost Clayton, and Apache and
>   Charlie.?.  I'm sad, broken hearted and angry.   I've been 
> in
>   rescue for 20 yrs. But this is the first I've been broken 
> hearted
>   and watched FELV take them one by onethank you all for your
>   love and kindness (Sandy)
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> Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 13:40:51 -0500
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> Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] People who don't care about 
> animals...
> Message-ID: <20170527144051.CI95V.45582.root@pamxwww10-z01>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> I agree completely.  I think that these people who do this also do so 
> unto their fellow humans.  One thing they lack is the love of God.
>
>  ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:
>>
> I have, obviously ( as do all of us) a very difficult time reconciling 
> how someone could NOT care about animals or worse... use and abuse 
> them for profit.?? In truth... I think my anger at such people is more 
> than a bit beyond the pale and I worry, honestly, about getting myself 
> in real legal trouble should I encounter someone in the act of 
> purposely harming an animal...?? I try to remind myself to NOT be 
> so self Righteous since I had nothing to do with the caring I have for 
> animals I was simply "made" that way... it was part of me from the 
> earliest years that I can remember? Had my genes been 
> different..perhaps I'd be running a dog fighting ring..??? Beyond 
> this, though, I feel it IS justified to require people to at least ACT 
> decently even if their heart does not melt for animals?? Ok... so 
> maybe they don't particularly care about the miserable lives many 
> animals ( and people) have? I don't ask that they _ feel_ 
> differently but I DO expect that they will not contribute to or 
> exacerbate that misery?? This is MY line in the sand and I have NO 
> forgiveness in my heart for people who do so? People never cease 
> to amaze me both with their capacity for goodness and caring and their 
> utter lack of these same traits... how such polar opposites can exist 
> in the same? ( purportedly sentient) species boggles my mind.?? It 
> does my heart a world of good to know that all of you are out there 
> making life better for the little creatures that

Re: [Felvtalk] People who don't care about animals...

[dlgegg]

I have to get one of those plaques, really do need one or maybe more to put in 
each room

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Re: [Felvtalk] Hi......sad news....

[dlgegg]

Sorry for you and Martin.  He is at peace now.  Grieve for a while and it will 
get better.

 rosebudcocopuff  wrote: 
> My sweet, beautiful, Martinjust one yr. Of age lost his fight on 
> Thursday, May 25th.   Rest now my baby boy. Always remembered, always 
> loved.   
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] People who don't care about animals...

[dlgegg]

I agree completely.  I think that these people who do this also do so unto 
their fellow humans.  One thing they lack is the love of God.

 ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote: 
> 
I have, obviously ( as do all of us) a very difficult time reconciling 
how someone could NOT care about animals or worse... use and abuse them 
for profit.   In truth... I think my anger at such people is more than a 
bit beyond the pale and I worry, honestly, about getting myself in real 
legal trouble should I encounter someone in the act of purposely harming 
an animal...   I try to remind myself to NOT be so self Righteous 
since I had nothing to do with the caring I have for animals I was 
simply "made" that way... it was part of me from the earliest years that 
I can remember  Had my genes been different..perhaps I'd be running 
a dog fighting ring..    Beyond this, though, I feel it IS justified to 
require people to at least ACT decently even if their heart does not 
melt for animals   Ok... so maybe they don't particularly care about 
the miserable lives many animals ( and people) have  I don't ask 
that they _ feel_ differently but I DO expect that they will not 
contribute to or exacerbate that misery   This is MY line in the 
sand and I have NO forgiveness in my heart for people who do so  
People never cease to amaze me both with their capacity for goodness and 
caring and their utter lack of these same traits... how such polar 
opposites can exist in the same  ( purportedly sentient) species boggles 
my mind.   It does my heart a world of good to know that all of you 
are out there making life better for the little creatures that can do so 
little to improve their own lot... your kindness humbles me

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Re: [Felvtalk] Checking In...

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It is had not to hate those who dump kittens and puppies.  All they ahve to do 
is get their female spayed.  Worse yet are those who use kittens and puppies to 
train pitbull fighting dogs.  We are beginning to close in on those people in 
our county, but there still remain those who say the are just dogs, cats so why 
worry about them.  That is what we have to unite against.


 Sandy  wrote: 
> I'm really happy to hear from the group. Bob, you are a wonderful guardian 
> and I'm so happy you have a new kitty cat to watch over - no matter for how 
> long! Right now, I don't have any FeLv kitties - FIV yes. I foster and 
> volunteer for a couple local rescue groups 
> and it's mega kitten season. Some of my foster friends are having heartbreak 
> because of the loss of babies.- while others see the tragedy of overcrowded 
> animal control facilities so there is killing. One friend asked about balance 
> - how does one achieve balance - keep sanity - not become numb. How does one 
> not feel hatred toward one's fellow man/woman when dumped babies are found - 
> we do what we do because we care and we want to make a difference - even for 
> a little while. It's pretty hard sometimes to let a foster go (adopted) one 
> you raised from a tiny kitten - bottle feeding, cuddling and loving. Adopters 
> are screened but unless they continue to keep up correspondence the I wonder 
> is always hanging in your mind. 
> 
> Siorry to ramble - guess I needed to get somethings off my mind - again Bob - 
> happy tails!! 
> Sandy W 
> - Original Message -
> 
> From: dlg...@windstream.net 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 8:57:31 PM 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Checking In... 
> 
> People around here have a name for us - "Crazy cat lady". I gladly claim this 
> title. 
> 
>  Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> > Bob, you are a true hero to these little angels. It will absolutely hurt 
> > like hell when you lose your new boy, and you know that, but you are a kind 
> > soul who will take the pain to help these babies. Thank you for quoting me. 
> > It is something I have said for a long time to explain my insanity to 
> > others, especially my mom who couldn’t understand in the middle of all my 
> > sobbing about losing another one, why I continued to do this to myself. 
> > 
> > I took home a little girl last year, who also had a diagnosis of cancer. 
> > The shelter where she had been staying, was closing down and she was 
> > obviously not adoptable. Someone at the shelter had heard of my reputation 
> > for being a sap for hard luck cases, so I was contacted out of the blue and 
> > asked if I would take her and let her live out her days sleeping on a 
> > comforter instead of in a shelter. I agreed. After watching her for a 
> > while, and obtaining her previous medical records and reviewing them, I was 
> > skeptical that she had cancer. She wasn’t deteriorating, but she had a 
> > whole lot of serious pain from something. Happily, after much running 
> > around and thousands of dollars, we had her in for surgery in March and a 
> > piece of tissue was removed (a remnant it appears, from an infected uterus 
> > which was removed) and I was so gratified to see the immediate change in 
> > her personality. She immediately brightened up - even played a bit - and 
> > started hanging around us instead of being in a poor mood and sleeping 
> > alone upstairs all the time. She still has pain but it has markedly 
> > reduced. 
> > 
> > Every once in a while - something disastrous turns good. I am crossing my 
> > fingers for your new charge. 
> > 
> > Amani 
> > 
> > -Original Message- 
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> > ROBERT CHAPEL 
> > Sent: May-26-17 3:01 PM 
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Checking In... 
> > 
> > So Glad to hear that no new " tragedies" have emerged of late and that 
> > Violet loves her catnip!.. I love the image I conjur of her eating a leaf 
> > or two and rolling in the Grass looking at you with her little head upside 
> > down It's been only a few weeks since I lost my buddy Magellin and 
> > though it's not with me on a daily basis I only have to encounter a 
> > surprise reminder to bring tears to my eyes ( eg... needing to put some 
> > meds for myself into a container and grabbing the nearest empty one which 
> > turned out to be Jelly's Mirtazapine container... 
> > virtually in a second the whole experience came rushing back... 
> > attempting to get him to eat..watching him lose weight... syringe feeding 
> > him... Friends ask me " why are you considering doing it again" and all I 
> > can say is " It feels worse to NOT help than the pain of helping"... 
> > Amani expressed a nice sentiment a few times when explaining to folks why 
> > she continues to do what she does... 
> > " If the people who care about cats don't help them it's certainly not 
> > going to be 

Re: [Felvtalk] Checking In...

[dlgegg]

People around here have a name for us - "Crazy cat lady".  I gladly claim this 
title.

 Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> Bob, you are a true hero to these little angels. It will absolutely hurt like 
> hell when you lose your new boy, and you know that, but you are a kind soul 
> who will take the pain to help these babies. Thank you for quoting me. It is 
> something I have said for a long time to explain my insanity to others, 
> especially my mom who couldn’t understand in the middle of all my sobbing 
> about losing another one, why I continued to do this to myself.
> 
> I took home a little girl last year, who also had a diagnosis of cancer. The 
> shelter where she had been staying, was closing down and she was obviously 
> not adoptable. Someone at the shelter had heard of my reputation for being a 
> sap for hard luck cases, so I was contacted out of the blue and asked if I 
> would take her and let her live out her days sleeping on a comforter instead 
> of in a shelter. I agreed. After watching her for a while, and obtaining her 
> previous medical records and reviewing them, I was skeptical that she had 
> cancer. She wasn’t deteriorating, but she had a whole lot of serious pain 
> from something. Happily, after much running around and thousands of dollars, 
> we had her in for surgery in March and a piece of tissue was removed (a 
> remnant it appears, from an infected uterus which was removed) and I was so 
> gratified to see the immediate change in her personality. She immediately 
> brightened up - even played a bit - and started hanging around us instead of 
> being in a poor mood and sleeping alone upstairs all the time. She still has 
> pain but it has markedly reduced.
> 
> Every once in a while - something disastrous turns good. I am crossing my 
> fingers for your new charge.
> 
> Amani
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> ROBERT CHAPEL
> Sent: May-26-17 3:01 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Checking In...
> 
> So Glad to hear that no new " tragedies" have emerged of late and that Violet 
> loves her catnip!.. I love the image I conjur of her eating a leaf or two and 
> rolling in the Grass looking at you with her little head upside down  
> It's been only a few weeks since I lost my buddy Magellin and though it's not 
> with me on a daily basis I only have to encounter a surprise reminder to 
> bring tears to my eyes ( eg... needing to put some meds for myself into a 
> container and grabbing the nearest empty one which turned out to be Jelly's 
> Mirtazapine container... 
> virtually in a second the whole experience came rushing back... 
> attempting to get him to eat..watching him lose weight... syringe feeding 
> him...   Friends ask me " why are you considering doing it again" and all I 
> can say is  " It feels worse to NOT help than the pain of helping"...  
> Amani expressed a nice sentiment a few times when explaining to folks why she 
> continues to do what she does...
> " If the people who care about cats don't help them it's certainly not going 
> to be the people who _ don't_ care about them" ( yes Amani I took a measure 
> of literary license in quoting you...  Hope it's close : ) On Sunday I expect 
> to take home my new Foster... and older " Miracle" 
> survivor of some kind of traumatic encounter( we don't know what)... He was 
> traumatically brain injured and could barely walk when he first came to 
> us..when I drove him to the vet I was positive they would just put him 
> down... but he made a miraculous recovery and is now just the sweetest lap 
> cat you could know... but still not entirely steady on his feet..  In the 
> last few weeks he developed a tumor behind one of his eyes and it is the 
> consensus of two vets that it is a cancer that will kill him in a few 
> months ( one of the vets had a cat with the exact same situation and used 
> a combination of Sub Cu injectable alternative meds to keep the boy alive for 
> an extra nine months...  I can't stand the idea of this sweet guy living out 
> his remaining days on the bottom level of cages just sleeping there with 
> little attention until he dies... He deserves to see the sun and to have 
> someone to pet him and know a home for at least a few months  I'm hoping 
> that knowing in advance of taking him home that the only real surprise would 
> be his actually surviving that I won't have the same level of sadness that my 
> others guys engendered... Be that as it may... I'm doing it.
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Checking In...

[dlgegg]

These little ones give so much more to us than we give to them.  They have kept 
me going in some dark days and been such a comfort to me.  They are worth every 
hour and penny spent.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Checking in...

[dlgegg]

Glad to hear Violet is doing better.  I had not hear from anyone lately and was 
wondering wht was up.

 Sandy  wrote: 
> Happy to hear Violet is doing well - happy tails! 
> Hope everyone has a safe weekend! 
> Sandy W 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> 
> From: "Ardy Robertson"  
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 10:08:27 PM 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Checking in... 
> 
> 
> 
> Best of luck with little Violet!! 
> 
> 
> 
> Ardy 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Sheri Burbridge 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 8:27 PM 
> To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Checking in... 
> 
> 
> 
> Just wanted to check in and see how everyone is doing? We've been very busy 
> here with the end of the school year, holidays, graduations, etc. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> My Violet is doing well, she seems happy and healthy although I'm struggling 
> to find a healthy food that she likes. She loved the honest kitchen food when 
> I first bought it but now isn't very excited to eat it. I'm going to check 
> out other options at a local pet health food store this week to see if I can 
> find something she likes. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I got a tattoo for Mo about a week ago. I felt like it was the closure I was 
> looking for and the artist even let me put his ashes into the ink. I know he 
> is always with me now but I'm still very emotional about the whole ordeal. 
> It's been two months but still feels so raw. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I hope all of you and all your fur babies are doing well, I just wanted to 
> pop on and say "hey". I'm so glad to be heading towards summer and back in my 
> garden again. It keeps my mind busy and is so cathartic. We planted catnip 
> for Violet, she absolutely loves it! It's so funny to watch her bliss out 
> when she eats a leaf or two  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Best wishes, 
> 
> 
> Sheri 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Nice Sentiment...

[dlgegg]

Dogs are family also.

 ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote: 
> 
> Hello All:
> While I know that our group is about cats... lately friends and family 
> have been losing their long time canine companions   I cam across 
> the piece below quite by mistake but it moved me enough to pass it 
> along...it applies equally to cats..
> Bob C
> ==
> 
> To most, he was “just” a dog.  To me, he was so much more than just a
>   best friend, he was an integral part of my life, and my world for over
> 14 years.  I was there to see him take his first breath in this world.
>  And I was there when he breathed his last, after a long and, I hope,
> happy life.  And when he left this world, it was as if a large piece of
> me was violently torn away.  Eventually the countless happy memories of
> the all too brief time I had with him will crowd out the anguish of the
> last moments we spent.  For now, I can take only cold comfort in knowing
>   that when it came time to make the call, I did right by him.  His body
> was on the verge of a “cascading system failure”, but it had not yet
> progressed to the point where it had broken his spirit.  I had been
> waiting for him to tell me it was his time for some while, but it was
> his prognosis that finally sealed it.  He was not going to get better;
> he would only get worse.  Even with surgery — which at his age was more
> risk than solution — his best case was a few months, and those would
> have been pain ridden.
> 
> 
> I don’t suppose I’ll ever stop second guessing whether I waited too
> long or not long enough.  But in the circumstances keeping him going
> through heroic measures would have been for my benefit, not his.
> 
> 
> When you bring a dog into your life, you make a bargain.  Tonka never
>   once failed to deliver on his side of that bargain.  And as much as it
> hurt — and will continue to hurt — I had to deliver on mine.
> 
> 
> Goodnight pal, see you on the other side.  I love you, buddy.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Nicely Stated...

[dlgegg]

So beautiful.  You have seen into my heart with the passing of each of my 
furbabies.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Mo

[dlgegg]

You are so right.  I have been with all my babies at the end and I know it made 
me feel much better knowing that if they needed me, I was there.  And yes, they 
do know you are there and love them.  Usually they take hold of me with their 
paws and hold on.  I think it makes them feel more secure in those last moments.

 ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote: 
> I hope little Mo passes soon.Not that I want Mo to be gone but I 
want you to be able to actually grieve his loss rather than be subjected 
to the pain of wondering each day if THIS is the day and worrying if he 
is going to die while you are away from him. I don't know that they 
sense our presence when they are this ill and close to the end of their 
lives but I know it made ME feel better to be with my guys holding them 
for as many hours as I could while they were near the end.  I hope 
you , too, are able to be physically connected to your little Mo when he 
leaves his little body..   I am comforted for Mo that he has you 
caring this much that his last moments have a much quality as you can 
provide
Bob

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>5. Holding on... (Jennifer Olson)
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> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2017 21:13:08 +
> From: Sheri Burbridge To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: 
> [Felvtalk] Letting go of Mo
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> Thank you all for your kind words and support. It means so much to me
> during this painful time.
>
> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017, 12:54 PM Amani Oakley  wrote:
>
>> I am so sorry Sheri. You did everything possible. And you?re right. 
>> It is
>> beyond unfair that these innocent beings should suffer and die like 
>> this.
>>
>>
>>
>> Amani
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On 
>> Behalf
>> Of *Sheri Burbridge
>> *Sent:* April-11-17 7:27 AM
>> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>
>>
>> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Letting go of Mo
>>
>>
>>
>> Mo's appetite hasn't improved and this morning I found him in my
>> daughter's room laying in a puddle of his own urine. I gave him his
>> buprenorphine but I am done forcing meds on this angel beyond comfort 
>> care.
>>
>>
>>
>> We were going to see the vet today for bloodwork, but I don't really 
>> see
>> the point now. Perhaps if we had tried these meds when he first 
>> started
>> slipping it would have helped him. At least I am armed with this 
>> knowledge
>> for Violet.
>>
>>
>>
>> My heart is breaking. This is all so unfair.
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> Thank you Jen, I need all the strength I can get!
>
> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017, 12:36 PM Jennifer Olson  wrote:
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> Thoughts & prayers for your strength. Mo will be completely healthy 
> soon-
> just missing you til you are reunited once more.
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> Sheri
> There is no better ending for our little friends than to die in the 
> arms of those who loved them... and no better ending for us as 
> well.
> Mo deserves to not have his end be a repetition of his beginnings...I 
> realize that I am not the most objective fellow in the world at the 
> moment but ,having had my little yogi die with

Re: [Felvtalk] Letting go of Mo

[dlgegg]

Keeping you in my prayers.  You have tried the best you could and you have 
learnd from this.  Life is an ongoing series of lessons.  The main thing is you 
loved him and tried to help him, he knows this.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Mo

[dlgegg]

I believe that our little ones do know we love and care for them.  Just because 
they cannot say so in words, they let us know by actions.  When Annie's eyes 
get a bit gunky, she comes to me, meows and waits patiently for me to clean 
them.  


 ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote: 
> 

Sheri..
I don't think I need to tell you that I REALLY feel for your 
struggle  I love that you have made a little place for mo where he 
can look out onto the outside world , feel the sun and look at the other 
little creatures ( that he would likely kill and eat if he had the 
chancelets be real : )   but  I still LOVE to see them show 
interest in the world around them... it helps us to "stay the 
course".   I have NO idea if our little charges have any 
appreciation of what we do for them or even if it makes a difference 
that make a comfortable safe sunny area for them at our homes...  I need 
to do it for ME...  I can't stand the idea of any creature dying unloved 
and unattended even IF they themselves don't even know it TO be so... 
Right this minute I have Jelly on two syringes of Buphenorphine and am 
hoping that he dies at home so that I don't have to take him someplace 
unfamiliar in order to save him from further discomfort  Tonight he 
began mouth breathing and meowing pathetically after I moved him and it 
is clear that he is very uncomfortable...  He's unstable on his 
feet...eating and drinking and using the litter box not at all and 
unless he perks up substantially I'm going to  try to help him out of 
this world tomorrow.. I HATE having to make this decision but... for 
these last 12 hours he has been a cat without ANY quality of life and 
the show of discomfort just makes it impossible for me to overlook it 
and hope for the best any longer..  Hoping for a miracle in the 
later morning...
Keep at it with little mo  perhaps you will have better fortune

Bob

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Re: [Felvtalk] Jelly..

[dlgegg]

Been there and done that.  You don't know which way to go, afraid if you do 
euthanize him orher it will be a wrong decision and yet you do not want them to 
suffer  I would rather suffer great pain my self.  Right now, Annie is 
recovering from an upper respiratory infection and since she is positive, it 
has me worried.  I asked my vet about Winstrol and Doxy and she is willing to 
try it.  Thank you Lord.  She is eating, drinking and although she has lost a 
little weight, seems to be doing well.  Main thing now is she goes about the 
house meaowing all the time. driving me nuts.  She wants me to eight sit with 
her or go to b ed so she can lay on my chest.  I don't know she will do when I 
go in hospital for a valve repalacement, will be gone for a week.  When I went 
in 4 days for broken arm, they all sat on me, grabbed hold with ther claws as 
though trying to force me to stay home.  They are just recovering from that.  
Annie is quiet now, sitting on desk in front of me.  
Hope your baby gets well, will keep you both in my prayers.

 ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote: 
> Thank you all for your support and suggestions...  It is a comfort to me 
that I have a group of folks that I KNOW get the attachment that we can 
develop to an animal... and when we have a truly special one ( ALL to me 
are special..thats the baseline... it just goes up from there : )   
it is that much more painful
I was ecstatic this AM when Jelly seemed to truly enjoy his grooming and 
pushed him little head INto the brush..then fell on his side inviting me 
to brush his sides and backafter that he actually ate a little bit 
of baby food off a plate I had to leave for a few hours and I was 
hoping against hope that when I returned he would have finished the rest 
of the baby food I left on the plate   I don't know which bothers me 
more...getting my hopes up to have them dashed hours later or just never 
getting my hopes up?...  When I returned home he was quite lethargic and 
had not touched any of  the food...   His gurgling ( which had abated 
considerably for several hours( maybe the Winstrol IS helping this 
Amani? ) was back and getting meds and a little food into him was a 
challenge again.  Still... he DID improve for a few hours which " 
may " be a good sign...or..no sign at all...  Every day I decide 
to...than decide against putting him down about 40 times...  But.. I'm a 
little better this time around with my ability to recognize Kitty 
discomfort and not rush to end a life that still HAS some life left...
As to foods he loves ( referencing Jennifers comments)  I'm actually 
rather gingerly "force" feeding him his favorite food which always was 
turkey baby food   Squirting a bit into the gum pouch opposite the 
side I place the syringe so that it does/t just go down his throat   
Once it's in his mouth he generally swallows it...   I leave plates of 
anything and everthing he ever liked in numerous places throughout the 
day so that he never has to go far to take a " bite " if he is 
inclined. and Sheri... I can assure you that this little guy is not 
wanting for affection  any time that he is willing to stay near me 
he IS near me ( but that was always the way it was...  I am literally 
unable to be in the presence of an animal without having a hand on some 
part of it's body Moreso my own pets but really quite the same with 
any animal any WHERE... I've been that way since I was a youngster. 
   I'm the guy who would be VERY conflicted between saving the guy I 
don't know or his dog if their boat flipped in frigid seas ( with at 
least a 60% likelihood it would be the dog).   So thank you all 
for your support and particularly for the love and care you provide the 
little creatures that so many others overlook...

Bob 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Canna-pet (CBD)

[dlgegg]

The only thing holding me back is my concern about it becoming addictive.

 Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> That’s really interesting. I have been blown away with the scientific 
> evidence, already available, about the effectiveness of cannabis in human 
> health.
> 
> Amani
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Katherine K.
> Sent: March-16-17 9:31 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Canna-pet (CBD)
> 
> Anyone have experience using Canna-pet, or cannabinoids for FeLV cats? I just 
> found out about it. Since I can't afford radiation for K's nose tumor, this 
> looked interesting.
> 
> From their website:
> What do customers use Canna-Pet for?
> 
>   *   Anxiety
>   *   Arthritis
>   *   Allergies
>   *   Cancer
>   *   Digestive Issues
>   *   Seizures
>   *   Inflammation
>   *   Joint & Mobility 
> Issues
>   *   Pain
>   *   Homeostasis
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Re: [Felvtalk] Food, Bad Jokes, Good Vets

[dlgegg]

I solved the water situation with a Pioneed water fountain.  They love the 
water movement, it filters the water and if yoiu add a few ice cubes to bob 
around, they really like it.  They drink much more than they did with water 
bowls.

 Lorrie  wrote: 
> Hi Robert,
> 
> No problem about the joke. I was also joking when I said your remark
> almost gave me a heart attack.
> 
> Re: FOOD -  None of my 13 rescued cats like the grain free foods
> either. They also don't like Friskies canned, but I worry about too
> much dry food. It easier to feed, but they need more moisture so they
> get Fancy Feast once a day (expensive with 13 cats) but thats all
> they want. The rest of the time they get dry food, but I cannot free 
> feed as I have 4 who are overweight. So they all get fed individually
> and I've discovered many of them like a bit of water on their dry
> food, which is good because this way I'm sure they are getting enough
> liquids.
> 
> As for myself I eat as healthy as I can. Junk food actually  turns my
> stomach now as does fried food. I've been eating this way for about
> 30 years now, and I really love veggies, whole grains, and very little
> meat. What meat I eat is always braised or baked.  It must be working
> as my blood work is perfect at age 84, but I still got arthritis and
> it's VERY painful.  I figure I'll live to be 100 and be in pain the 
> entire time :-(   Well I have to outlive all these cats so I'll deal 
> with it.
> 
> Lorrie
> 
> 
> 
> On 03-11, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote:
> > 
> > First... my apologies to those who did not get IMMEDIATELY that I was 
> > joking about using a knife to remove Jelly's fluid  I thought it 
> > would be a foregone conclusion anyone  one who takes the time to BE in 
> > this forum would ever do such a thing be it from cruelty or monumental 
> > stupidity   Such are the drawbacks of email communication...minus 
> > facial cues and voice tone...  there are only words on a page.
> > 
> > Re  FOOD:  This is argued perpetually even among vets and animal 
> > nutritionists... There is the " raw only" camp the don't EVER let 
> > your cat touch grain camp... The ONLY wet food camp... the Use Multiple 
> > sources of protein camp( don't stay with the same food camp vs...stay 
> > with the same food camp)ad nauseum.. I am personally an 
> > excellent human example of how genetics influences health... I am a 
> > walking heart attack ( apart from my tendency to like exercise and keep 
> > somewhat active).. On a limited budget now...and ,even when I had money, 
> > so seldom home.. I have been eating " wrong" my entire life.. Meanwhile 
> > a recent Cardiac Vessel Calcium test found my vessels 100% clear ( MD 
> > says I'm good for 10 more years minimum)... 3 friends that have eaten 
> > "right" for decades have recently been Dx'd with heart issues... 
> > Unfair...yes... but fact.    *** The only thing I can somewhat control 
> > that concerns me a lot is making sure that my cats get enough fluid so I 
> > try to be sure that they ( he) get some wet food daily in addition to 
> > the water he drinks Don't know that it's a deal breaker but it makes 
> > ME feel better.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Food, Bad Jokes, Good Vets

[dlgegg]

I was not realy going to report you for cruelty, you are in this group so I 
know better.  Just giving you a rough time.  
re:food
I have a rough time getting my pride to eat canned food.  I mix it with hot 
water to make it smell better.  They drink the broth and leave the meat. Can't 
figure that one out.  They do not like fish flavored food, not even when I fix 
fresh wild caught salmon or tuna. 
Harley especially wants to eat everything I eat, it just might be something he 
likes.  I have to cook for all of us, take out for him and then season with 
garlic for myself.  So I stick with Blue Buffalo duck, red meat or rabbit.  
They attack the bag before I can get it open.  I used to feed Hills Science 
Diet until they were one of the companies caught in the big food scandal that 
was killing off dogs, cats and some seniors who could not afford regular food.  
Plus it had grains and most of my pride are allergic to them, especially soy.  
They were constantly vomiting as soon as they ate it.  A waste of expensive 
food.  I also have 2 water fountains (one in each end of the house) and they 
are now drinking more water, especially when I add a few ice cubes that bounce 
around in the water.  We like to watch them and try to catch them.
Since they eat the food, it is cheaper in the long run because it does not go 
to waste. The only time anyone vomits is when Harley pounce on them right after 
eating.  His mission in life is to aggrevate everyone in the house.  He is the 
only one who goes outside, catches a mouse, schrew or vole and then spends his 
time sleeping on the deck.  Dee and Annie go out for a sunny nap which is good 
because they get their vitamin d.  Homie, a former feral has taken a sudden 
dislike to outside.  I think she has a good thing going and does not want to 
loose it.  On sunny days I make her go out with me for her vitamin k.  
 ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote: 
> 
First... my apologies to those who did not get IMMEDIATELY that I was 
joking about using a knife to remove Jelly's fluid  I thought it 
would be a foregone conclusion anyone  one who takes the time to BE in 
this forum would ever do such a thing be it from cruelty or monumental 
stupidity   Such are the drawbacks of email communication...minus 
facial cues and voice tone...  there are only words on a page.

Re  FOOD:  This is argued perpetually even among vets and animal 
nutritionists... There is the " raw only" camp the don't EVER let 
your cat touch grain camp... The ONLY wet food camp... the Use Multiple 
sources of protein camp( don't stay with the same food camp vs...stay 
with the same food camp)ad nauseum.. I am personally an 
excellent human example of how genetics influences health... I am a 
walking heart attack ( apart from my tendency to like exercise and keep 
somewhat active).. On a limited budget now...and ,even when I had money, 
so seldom home.. I have been eating " wrong" my entire life.. Meanwhile 
a recent Cardiac Vessel Calcium test found my vessels 100% clear ( MD 
says I'm good for 10 more years minimum)... 3 friends that have eaten 
"right" for decades have recently been Dx'd with heart issues... 
Unfair...yes... but fact.    *** The only thing I can somewhat control 
that concerns me a lot is making sure that my cats get enough fluid so I 
try to be sure that they ( he) get some wet food daily in addition to 
the water he drinks Don't know that it's a deal breaker but it makes 
ME feel better.
I also subscribe to keeping grains to a minimum since cats are obligate 
carnivores... I doubt that grains are going to kill them but why force 
their bodies to learn to digest something they were not constructed to 
utilize unless you really cannot afford better quality cat food... When 
my family had the most cats ( when I was young) there WERE no such 
specialty cat foods and I had a few VERY healthy cats ( all of them were 
indoor/outdoor kitties so some were taken before their time) who all ate 
the same garbage cat food ( puss'n boots from a can...later tender 
vittles.. and other high grain content foods) and lived to 20 years 
old...  In the shelter our cats are all fed the same diet 
initiallysome thrive... others develop diseases within months on 
Science Diet ( their non specialty mid range general cat food)... So... 
I buy the best food I can afford ( and that they will eat) and hope for 
the best... currently my boy ( formerly my boys) is on grain free 
Natural Balance Pea and Venison ( not cheap) and Friskies Pate in the 
evening ( my guy will NOT eat any of the high end canned food I offer 
him and I went through a year of spending LOTS of money trying 
everything so that my sick cat Yogi would eat wet food that had some 
medicine mixed in... Baby Food at 109.00 a night... chicken, pork etc... 
that I cooked myself) Neither would touch " quality" wet food...  Now my 
remaining guy LOVES friskies pate and I LOVE that it costs 50cents a 
can!!!... plus I toss him a bit of w

Re: [Felvtalk] food

[dlgegg]

sTAY AWAY FROM ANYTHING WITH CORN, WHEAT, SOY.  Those ingredients had my guys 
vomiting all the time.  We are on Blue Buffalo.  You could try any food without 
the grains.

 "Armstrong-Brown wrote: 
> What is the best food I should be giving my FELV cat.  He won't eat soft 
> food, only dry.
> 
> 
> HOOT
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> Administrative Aide
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Re: [Felvtalk] Good news!

[dlgegg]

??? Could we start a list of vets in different areas (those we have used who 
agree with us) for people to go to when needed?  Just a thought.

 Ardy Robertson  wrote: 
> Hi Jen,
> 
> The only problem with staying at that vet, is once you actually need Zander’s 
> Protocol, it will take some time to obtain the Winstrol, and find a vet 
> willing to prescribe it for you, along with the Doxy and Prednisone. When my 
> Tigger baby got actively sick, I ran out of crucial time obtaining the 
> Winstrol. :(
> 
>But hopefully your kitty will remain symptom free for a long long time… 
> Ardy
> 
>  
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Jennifer Olson
> Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 12:05 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Good news!
> 
>  
> 
> Figaro's bloodwork shows he is "healthy" ! ! ! No sign of ear mites so 
> treatment now is to clean & use ointment for otitis externa. Did NOT do skin 
> scraping for d. gatoi, fur & skin are MUCH improved. And Vet's going to let 
> us have the "Barn cat" discount on his neuter!
> 
> Bad news, Vet "looked into" the meds of Z's protocol & efficacy for FeLV, and 
> isn't on board...
> 
> So, until Figaro is actively ill from FeLV, we'll continue to vet @ this 
> clinic.
> 
> IFA results are pending.
> 
> Thanks for your prayers & support all ! ! !
> 
> Jen
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fluid in Airway

[dlgegg]

Me too, at first I thought he was serious and was going to turn him for cruelty.

 Lorrie  wrote: 
> Hey Robert, you almost gave this poor old lady a heart attack :-)
> 
> Lorrie
> 
> On 03-08, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote:
> > Funny you should mention that Jen because I DID have several recordings 
> > last season when the problem was substantially worse... Of course I 
> > couldn't locate them when I brought him to the vet...but that is the 
> > best answer to my dilemna...  The Sound is definitely pronounced enough 
> > to record well... The other day I stuck a large knife in his side to see 
> > if the fluid would come out but all I got was blood.my bad... really 
> > did little to help the problem
> > ( I AM JUST KIDDING FOLKS!..HONEST !  : ) Looks like I have 
> > some homework to do again on Airway issues in Kitties...
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, Mar 07, 2017 at 01:00 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org 
> > wrote:
> > 
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> > >
> > >   1. My Charlie (Tina Terrell)
> > >   2. Re: Fluid in Lungs or Airway... (Jennifer Olson)
> > >   3. Re: My Charlie (Amani Oakley)
> > >
> > >
> > >--
> > >
> > >Message: 1
> > >Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 20:42:26 -0600
> > >From: Tina Terrell To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > >Subject: [Felvtalk] My Charlie
> > >Message-ID:
> > >   
> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > >
> > >Hello,
> > > What antibiotics seem to help FELV cats the most?Also, my Charlie 
> > >seems to
> > >respond well to Predisolone. Longterm ?
> > >Thank you in advance
> > >Blessings
> > >Tina
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> > >Message: 2
> > >Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 21:57:21 -0600
> > >From: Jennifer Olson To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fluid in Lungs or Airway...
> > >Message-ID:
> > >   
> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > >
> > >Bob,
> > >Have you tried to record the sounds of his breathing to replay for a 
> > >vet?
> > >Suppose you told them about past episodes & effects of thorough 
> > >cleaning?
> > >Jen
> > >
> > >On Mar 6, 2017 8:33 PM, "ROBERT CHAPEL"  wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Hello All:
> > >>
> > >>My remaining boy ( Magellin aka  " Jelly " ) has some kind of fluid 
> > >>either
> > >>in his lungs or in his trachea... The oddest thing is that despite my
> > >>hearing it ALL the time ( and even frequently cupping him to get him 
> > >>to
> > >>cough and clear it a bit) 2 Vets have failed to hear it ( and... in 
> > >>fact...
> > >>it seems to disappear when I've taken him somewhere to "show" them 
> > >>what I'm
> > >>talking about)... possibly adrenaline from being anxious about being 
> > >>in the
> > >>car and a new environment dries it up temporarily.. just like we get 
> > >>dry
> > >>mouths when we are scared??  It concerns me even though it's not 
> > >>currently
> > >>causing him a lot of distress it's just very disconcerting when I 
> > >>hear
> > >>him gurgling as he eats his dinner or as he sleeps because I simply 
> > >>don't
> > >>know what it is and if there is something I should be addressing 
> > >>before it
> > >>gets worse...   When I first got him he appeared to have an asthma 
> > >>like
> > >>condition with multiple attacks of a kind of " hacking"  each day
> > >>Interestingly that was last March as well ( when I first got him 
> > >>almost
> > >>to the day today. along his little but older "brother" who lasted 
> > >>just
> > >>under a year with me despite many many trips to vets and multiple 
> > >>meds
> > >>nearly the entire time I had him  I call him little because he 
> > >>failed
> > >>to thrive from the  get go...a poster cat for bad FeLV)   I still 
> > >>feel his
> > >>loss and I will be devastated if I were to lose this guy over 
> > >>something I
> > >>could have done something about.   The asthma like condition went 
> > >>away
> > >>after I gave the rugs a thorough cleaning, moved all the furniture 
> > >>away
> > >>from the walls and vacuumed and cleaned... got rid of as much dust as 
> > >>I
> > >>could I did so many damn things I'd be hard pressed to know which 
> > >>( if
> > >>any) were the most useful...could have been simply that when I was 
> > >>finally
> > >>able to open 

Re: [Felvtalk] How coyld I foeget?!?!?

[dlgegg]

lBut that is the one that caused hair loss at the site so I stopped it.

 Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> That’s so weird. I have used Revolution, and it gets rid of the ear mites 
> with a single application.
> 
> Amani
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Jennifer Olson
> Sent: March-04-17 9:18 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] How coyld I foeget?!?!?
> 
> The demodex gatoi !  Figaro would very likely NOT have gotten the parasite if 
> the FeLV wasn't present.
> Still working on that & ear mites- oral ivermectin every other day and a 
> topical product meant to be used once/ mo Vet said to apply every 2 wks for 
> approx 6 wks. Ear mites are quite stubborn, but the skin mites are succuming- 
> maybe even OFF him now.
> Jen


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Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: My intention has been...

[dlgegg]

Annie had been diagnosed FELV and I had her spayed.  Just because he is 
diagnosed FELV does not mean it is active in his body, he could just be a 
carrier.  Annie is now 9, going on 10, lives with 3 other cats not FELV and her 
only problems are her hang up from her previous life.

 Jennifer Olson  wrote: 
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: "Jennifer Olson" 
> Date: Mar 2, 2017 2:45 PM
> Subject: My intention has been...
> To: "ROBERT CHAPEL" 
> Cc:
> 
> Integrate Figaro after he heals from neutering. He is due to be retested
> for FeLV, and I will be discussing his health & getting neutered ASAP! as
> well as putting him on doxy, & whether to wait a lil if he does start doxy.
> Concern being surgery stressing him & virus becomming an issue.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: Cont....

[dlgegg]

I feel for you and your frustration, but I would first get him neutered, that 
will help.  Then a black light and Fission, it kills the smell.  He is going 
back to the places he sprayed before and if he cannot smell, he might just pass 
that spot by.  It is work and it depends on your love for him and your desire 
to help him.  

 Jennifer Olson  wrote: 
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: "Jennifer Olson" 
> Date: Mar 2, 2017 2:51 PM
> Subject: Cont
> To: "ROBERT CHAPEL" 
> Cc:
> 
> Sometimes I feel like he would've been better without my "help".
> Other times I feel like- SCREW IT,  come on upstairs- but I don't need
> Figaro's spraying setting off ANY of the other 3 spraying too! And I don't
> know that the mites (skin or ear) are totally gone yet.   =~{


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Re: [Felvtalk] In my defense...

[dlgegg]

To find where he ahs gone, use a black light.

 Jennifer Olson  wrote: 
> Figaro has urinated on the bed at least once before (didn't wake me up, but
> I was in bed), on a wall & somewhere yet to be discovered (somehow he got
> it on back of his neck that time!). I will try to find that other product
> Margo recommends.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Losing patience

[dlgegg]

I agree, please give him another chance.  Don't give up on him.  I know it is a 
problem, but don't let your frustration get to you and then transfer to him.  
Take a deep breath, say a prayer. He isn't doing this to be mean or contrary, 
there is a problem that causes this.
 Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> Jen
> 
> Can I plead with you on Figaro’s behalf? I know how unbelievably disruptive 
> and disturbing it is to be peed on! I have had the pleasure. But very often 
> it signals something else is wrong. In my last cat who did this – who 
> squatted right on the bed while looking straight at me and peed, I oddly got 
> the sense that HE didn’t know why he had done it. I also noticed that he 
> seemed particularly disturbed in the litter box, and there were some other 
> oddities which I had noticed. It turned out that he had a lesion (could be a 
> small break) in his lower spinal cord (maybe his tail had been pulled or 
> caught in a door, etc), and these were neurological complications which were 
> resulting in this odd behaviour. The nerves which enervate the bladder and 
> bowel are found in the lower part of the spinal cord. Thus damage to that 
> area (a fall, hit by a car, tail caught in a door and the cat running hard in 
> the opposite direction) can all cause damage to these nerves.
> 
> There are sometimes other explanations such as urinary tract infections, or 
> just not feeling right.
> 
> I would think you think again about having him fixed. I agree with others who 
> have posted, that it should be okay to fix him if he is not experiencing any 
> FeLV symptoms yet. However, just to be on the safe side, you might consider 
> putting him on Doxycycline/Winstrol/Prednisone for a few weeks before the 
> surgery. There is a published study showing that people who were put on 
> Stanazolol (Winstrol) prior to abdominal surgery, had a better and faster 
> recovery than the control group who did not take Stanazolol.
> 
> I think that the mortality rate may be due to the fact that surgery weakens 
> the body and if the cat is already battling an immune challenge, surgery may 
> be the straw that breaks the camel’s back. However, I would also think that 
> it would be female cats who would be more at risk. Neutering is not nearly as 
> invasive as spaying.
> 
> Please don’t give up on him. He will have a very dim future, given his FeLV 
> status and peeing issues.
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Jennifer Olson
> Sent: March-02-17 8:39 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Losing patience
> 
> Figaro is adorable, but I'm so frustrated with the whole situation-
> I'm begining to consider other livining arrangements... aka placement...
> 
> On Mar 2, 2017 3:19 AM, "ROBERT CHAPEL" 
> mailto:bcha...@optonline.net>> wrote:
> Thanks Amani... this is very helpful and I will do my best to locate these 
> references... preferably the full articles if they don't charge too much for 
> them ( I no longer work in hospitals and don't have access to full medical 
> databases ( for free)...
> 
> VERY interesting about the ebola virus and the eyes it does indeed appear 
> that the virus established a foothold in Yogi's eyes   BUT... it was also 
> via the eyes that I was able to introduce antiviral meds that my Veterinary 
> opthalmologist was using off label.  Of course the target for these meds 
> was the Herpes Virusbut it too ,is,  a retro Virus and these meds "might" 
> have had some effect on the FeLV virus as well
> had I used them for a longer time ( though I would have had to have sold my 
> house to do so : )
> You can find ALL sorts of aid for these Anti Virals if you are using them for 
> HIV or Herpes 1 or 2 but they are hard to locate at discount for Veterinary 
> Use.  I really am VERY concerned at the price of Vet services as I feel 
> they will ultimately reduce the number of pet owners.  I was able to 
> easily afford to keep 4 cats on a rather low Social Worker income back in the 
> 80's but keeping one ill FeLV in 2017 can easily add 400.00 a month to ones 
> expenses  Many people who might formerly have adopted multiple cats will 
> now only take in one or  two.  All the more reason for forums like ours 
> as it is up to us to share our knowledge and experiences to help each other 
> avoid total reliance on a veterinary system that is not always working to 
> preserve our FeLV cats lives.
> 
> Hi Bob
> 
> I am unable to attach the literature regarding the ability of Doxycycline to 
> interfere with RNA replication and/or interfere with viral infection, but 
> here are a few titles to look up on the Internet:
> 
> - Antiviral activity of doxycycline against vesicular stomatitis virus in 
> vitro - FEMS Microbiol Lett. 2015
> 
> - Control of small inhibitory RNA levels and RNA interference by doxycycline 
> induced activation of a minimal RNA polymerase III promoter - 2006 Nucleic 
> Acids Res. 3

Re: [Felvtalk] Losing patience

[dlgegg]

I was going to say urinary tract infection.  Harley and Homey have both had 
that and peed just in front of the box.  Went to the vet and got meds.  Neither 
one was too happy about taking the medicine, but I found that if I sit in the 
recliner, wedge them between myself and the arm of the chair, then my left hand 
is free to pry open their mouth and with the right hand administer the meds.  
It takes a bit of practice, but gets the job done

 Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> Jen
> 
> Can I plead with you on Figaro’s behalf? I know how unbelievably disruptive 
> and disturbing it is to be peed on! I have had the pleasure. But very often 
> it signals something else is wrong. In my last cat who did this – who 
> squatted right on the bed while looking straight at me and peed, I oddly got 
> the sense that HE didn’t know why he had done it. I also noticed that he 
> seemed particularly disturbed in the litter box, and there were some other 
> oddities which I had noticed. It turned out that he had a lesion (could be a 
> small break) in his lower spinal cord (maybe his tail had been pulled or 
> caught in a door, etc), and these were neurological complications which were 
> resulting in this odd behaviour. The nerves which enervate the bladder and 
> bowel are found in the lower part of the spinal cord. Thus damage to that 
> area (a fall, hit by a car, tail caught in a door and the cat running hard in 
> the opposite direction) can all cause damage to these nerves.
> 
> There are sometimes other explanations such as urinary tract infections, or 
> just not feeling right.
> 
> I would think you think again about having him fixed. I agree with others who 
> have posted, that it should be okay to fix him if he is not experiencing any 
> FeLV symptoms yet. However, just to be on the safe side, you might consider 
> putting him on Doxycycline/Winstrol/Prednisone for a few weeks before the 
> surgery. There is a published study showing that people who were put on 
> Stanazolol (Winstrol) prior to abdominal surgery, had a better and faster 
> recovery than the control group who did not take Stanazolol.
> 
> I think that the mortality rate may be due to the fact that surgery weakens 
> the body and if the cat is already battling an immune challenge, surgery may 
> be the straw that breaks the camel’s back. However, I would also think that 
> it would be female cats who would be more at risk. Neutering is not nearly as 
> invasive as spaying.
> 
> Please don’t give up on him. He will have a very dim future, given his FeLV 
> status and peeing issues.
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Jennifer Olson
> Sent: March-02-17 8:39 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Losing patience
> 
> Figaro is adorable, but I'm so frustrated with the whole situation-
> I'm begining to consider other livining arrangements... aka placement...
> 
> On Mar 2, 2017 3:19 AM, "ROBERT CHAPEL" 
> mailto:bcha...@optonline.net>> wrote:
> Thanks Amani... this is very helpful and I will do my best to locate these 
> references... preferably the full articles if they don't charge too much for 
> them ( I no longer work in hospitals and don't have access to full medical 
> databases ( for free)...
> 
> VERY interesting about the ebola virus and the eyes it does indeed appear 
> that the virus established a foothold in Yogi's eyes   BUT... it was also 
> via the eyes that I was able to introduce antiviral meds that my Veterinary 
> opthalmologist was using off label.  Of course the target for these meds 
> was the Herpes Virusbut it too ,is,  a retro Virus and these meds "might" 
> have had some effect on the FeLV virus as well
> had I used them for a longer time ( though I would have had to have sold my 
> house to do so : )
> You can find ALL sorts of aid for these Anti Virals if you are using them for 
> HIV or Herpes 1 or 2 but they are hard to locate at discount for Veterinary 
> Use.  I really am VERY concerned at the price of Vet services as I feel 
> they will ultimately reduce the number of pet owners.  I was able to 
> easily afford to keep 4 cats on a rather low Social Worker income back in the 
> 80's but keeping one ill FeLV in 2017 can easily add 400.00 a month to ones 
> expenses  Many people who might formerly have adopted multiple cats will 
> now only take in one or  two.  All the more reason for forums like ours 
> as it is up to us to share our knowledge and experiences to help each other 
> avoid total reliance on a veterinary system that is not always working to 
> preserve our FeLV cats lives.
> 
> Hi Bob
> 
> I am unable to attach the literature regarding the ability of Doxycycline to 
> interfere with RNA replication and/or interfere with viral infection, but 
> here are a few titles to look up on the Internet:
> 
> - Antiviral activity of doxycycline against vesicular stomatitis virus in 
> vitro - FEMS Microbiol Lett. 2015
> 

[Felvtalk] Cats and neem oil

[dlgegg]

I have a lemongrass inside with scales and mealy bugs.  I would like to spray 
it and do a soil drench.  Problem my cats love to eat lemongrass and I do not 
want to kill them while saving the plant which I can replace.  I have not been 
able to get a satisfactory answer from the Green light company (which is now 
owned by Scotts) and my vet cannot give me an answer.  HELP!

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Re: [Felvtalk] Innoculations...

[dlgegg]

mY hARLEY OFF AND ON CATCHES MOLES, SCREWS AND MICE because we do have 
invasions of mice in cold weather so I guess I should get him vacinnated for 
Rabies.  The others just go out and sit on the deck, Harley is my mouser, 
anything that moves is prey including my toes under the cover.

 ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote: 
> I'd be very careful about not spaying a FeLV positive cat...  I'm 
curious about this assertion that all have died within a week??  If that 
were a general outcome I think more of us would have heard about it ( we 
have spayed and neutered 10 cats at the shelter where I volunteer in the 
last year and none have diedlikewise with innoculations)   I 
wanted my boy to have his rabies Vaccination because he periodically 
catches mice that manage to find their way into my second floor condo 
AND because it is illegal to not do so in NYS ( some vets will refuse to 
see cats that have not had rabies vaccination)...  I held off on the 
PanLeuk booster... Instead did a Titre ( 111.00 for the Titre  would 
have been a LOT cheaper to vaccinate)... but vet now says he's good for 
at least 3 years...
I really don't like the idea of not spaying or neutering FeLV cats...  
one unfortunate unintended pregnancy could add several positive unwanted 
kittens to the population and that would be just too sad  Life is so 
seldom happy for FeLV kitties. our cats are the exception rather 
than the rule...

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> The first thing I do when a new cat comes to me is spay or neuter, 
> especially a male, makes him less agressive and cuts down on spraying. 
> If he does spry, Jackson Galaxy has a product that really works!  I 
> use it for urine, vomit and it really newutralizews the odor.  First 
> though, I do not want to be responsible for unwanted kittens so I 
> spay/neuter.  At first, for a few years, everyone else gets vaccine 
> for FELV.  Especially after the cat is at least 4 or 5 years, they do 
> not seem to pass it on to others.  I have had as many as 10 cats in 
> the house and no transmission of the disease.  Maybe I have been 
> lucky.  Annie still shows positive, but she is 9 years and no one else 
> has become positive.
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> Are you suggesting giving the vaccine to a cat (in my case 1.5) that 
> has tested positive but no outward signs of the virus ?  I too haven't 
> spayed her as my vet suggests that every cat she has spayed/neutered 
> that was positive died within a week. I made the decision based on 
> that to not spay so as not risk that. The vet has also recommended no 
> vaccines as they are live virus and because of the positive testing 
> recommended not providing any of those.
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>> The first thing I do when a new cat comes to me is spay or neuter, 
>> especially a male, makes him less agressive and cuts down on 
>> spraying.  If he does spry, Jackson Galaxy has a product that really 
>> works!  I use it for urine, vomit and it really newutralizews the 
>> odor.  First though, I do not want to be responsible for unwanted 
>> kittens so I spay/neuter.  At first, for a few years, everyone else 
>> gets vaccine for FELV.  Especially after the cat is at least 4 or 5 
>> years, they do not seem to pass it on to others.  I have had as many 
>> as 10 cats in the house and no transmission of the disease.  Mayb

Re: [Felvtalk] Losing patience

[dlgegg]

The first thing I do when a new cat comes to me is spay or neuter, especially a 
male, makes him less agressive and cuts down on spraying.  If he does spry, 
Jackson Galaxy has a product that really works!  I use it for urine, vomit and 
it really newutralizews the odor.  First though, I do not want to be 
responsible for unwanted kittens so I spay/neuter.  At first, for a few years, 
everyone else gets vaccine for FELV.  Especially after the cat is at least 4 or 
5 years, they do not seem to pass it on to others.  I have had as many as 10 
cats in the house and no transmission of the disease.  Maybe I have been lucky. 
 Annie still shows positive, but she is 9 years and no one else has become 
positive.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Knowing the " whys" of Win/Pred/Doxy

[dlgegg]

AMEN TO THAT!  I especially get angry that they do not consider alternative 
medicine a viable tratment.  Unless I get a broken arm, I first try alternative 
meds.  I have not had a flu shot for over 8 years and have not had a cold or 
flu.  I use ginger, turmeric, garlic, onion, cinnamon as my anti flu meds.  I 
just wish we knew more about animals (cats) and herbs, which is safe or not 
safe to use.  Then when something comes up on a weekend/holiday and I cannot et 
my cat to the vet, I would be able to start treatment  until I can get to a vet.

 ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote: 
> Amani...

If we consider the extended time frame for Doxy and multiple courses of 
other ABX it makes a certain "intuitive" sense that a non bacterial 
infection is going to require a longer period of time to have whatever 
non-specific ( read... not related to bacterial infection 
necessarily)...  So little research money appears to be devoted to FeLV 
that I don't know that we'll know in the next decade unless the 
continuing demands of consumers ( who do NOT want to hear , in this day 
and age of " Miracles") that there is _ no hope_ for their much loved 
pets) alter this course.    I STILL bristle when I think of the closed 
minds in the medical and Veterinary community and SO resent that 
businessmen( Yes...that is what the vast majority are turning into now 
that practices are being forced to consolidate into " Health Systems").. 
hold the power of life and death over us AND our pets.   On the plus 
side with the business model being what it is ( and in contrast to 
the lost art of " professionalism")  The CONSUMER is always right.  Vets 
will be forced, in the future, to work more closely with the " 
customers" wishes as attachment to a given vet will become less common 
as time goes on and people will " practice shop " for the answers they 
want until such time as Vet services become so expensive that insurance 
becomes a " must have " and ultimately go the way of medicine ( 
ie...being confined to a slate of approved practitioners... 
againlimiting choice)...  But... there are some years to go before 
that happens and I feel that there IS a window of opportunity happening 
NOW and for the next few  years for people to have some real influence 
on how Vets practice   I am betting, for example, that had I had the 
money to go to a more " well to do " neighborhood where people are more 
demanding and better informed I could have found a vet to cooperate...  
Here in the "sticks" people just blindly accept what the vet has to say 
and they still enjoy the freedom of calling all the shots.   This 
WILL end over the next couple of years.  I learned a lot with this first 
experience and made mistakes that I WILL NOT make again.

BTW  Do you have any literature in support of the AntiRNA effects of 
Doxy... I am SO happy that there are still a couple of things out 
there that we still can get our hands on that don't have to pass muster 
with script pad businessmen  STILL I am also not advocating the the 
medically ill prepared take it upon themselves to decide that THEY will 
decide what is best for their animal... If we are going to go above and 
beyond our Vets advice it would best be with very sound reasoning and an 
EXCELLENT understanding of what we are doing and why.   Anything less 
and the community of Veterinary practitioners could easily dismiss our 
successes as "dumb luck" or ascribe them to " unknown" factors.  I 
think this is particularly important re: Winstrol/Pred/Doxy   I'd hate 
to see people going to their vets asking for this combination of drugs 
and really having an inadequate understanding of why they are asking for 
beyond the fact that it's been recommended on our forum...    For 
myself... I am clear on the Whys of Winstrol and Doxy ( though will be 
looking for more lit support on the RNA effects of Doxy) but not clear 
on the whys of the Pred.
Sorry for taking up so much space here but I'm having an " attack " of 
missing my little guy and am tremulous about being caught in the same 
position if I take in another FeLV as I am inclined to do

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Re: [Felvtalk] Zander's Protocol

[dlgegg]

It seems probable to me.  I went through 4 courses of chemo and none of them 
worked, in fact last one was killing me.  After 1 year without treatment other 
than vitamins, minerals and prayer, I went into spontaneous remission.  The 
Doxycycline does the same, gives the body time to heal.

 Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> Jen
> 
> If that were my cat, I would consider putting him on a 4 to 6 week course of 
> the Doxycycline. Before my cat, Zander, had his BIG crash when his 
> haematocrit went down to 5, he had a mini crash about 2-3 months before. We 
> were (stupidly) reassured by the fact that he recovered with the use of the 
> Doxycycline. In hindsight, I have said many times to my husband, that I 
> should have kept Zander on the Doxycycline. It has anti-RNA replication 
> properties which might be the reason it sometimes seems to be effective in 
> cases involving FeLV – ie – it interferes with the ability of the virus to 
> replicate.
> 
> I saw a programme last night on the fight against the Ebola virus, and I was 
> struck by something that one of the doctors said. This particular doctor was 
> himself infected by Ebola as he attempted to treat others who had the 
> infection. He spent 40 days in isolation, with one body system after another 
> shutting down and requiring medical intervention to keep him alive. After 40 
> days, he began to recover and became symptom free. He was of the view that 
> the body can ultimately be able to mount an immunological attack on just 
> about every challenge, if it can survive long enough to do so. It got me 
> thinking about FeLV and I wondered if perhaps Zander’s protocol helps the 
> body to stay alive (not succumb to things like anemia, and internal bleeding 
> from low platelets, etc), long enough to permit the cat’s own immune response 
> to the virus. I have no idea of course, and it is all conjecture on my part, 
> but I think that the Doxy plays a role in slowing down viral replication. 
> Thus, if a cat tests positive for FeLV, putting him on Doxy for a 4-6 week 
> period, then that might give the cat the opportunity to mount an immune 
> response. And again, please recognize that the time frame is just me thinking 
> this sounds good because it needs to be a longer duration than the average 
> bacterial infection – it may need to be even longer than that.
> 
> Amani
> 
> 
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Jennifer Olson
> Sent: March-01-17 1:28 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Zander's Protocol
> 
> Thank you for clarifying for me so quickly ! ! !
> My new fur-baby, now called Figaro (husband named because this stray was 
> "singing" outside on COLD morning Dec 22nd), is not sick with anything r/t 
> being FeLV+ presently.
> What I understand is this regimen is for cats in hemodynamic crisis?
> Do you advise any action now, to suppress the leukemia virus?
> Jen
> 
> On Mar 1, 2017 12:09 PM, "Amani Oakley" 
> mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
> No – it’s just what I call it, in honour of my baby boy, Zander. I have just 
> referred to it as such, here, among friends.
> 
> Amani
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> I tried searching for Zander's protocol online with no results. Is this a 
> term or phrase coined here, or widely used in veterinary medicine?
> Thx, Jen
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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLv Positive cat

[dlgegg]

I haave had no problems with this, all I can offer is prayer.

 Molly Mou  wrote: 
>  I am new to the list. Three weeks ago my 5-year old Miakitty was diagnosed 
> with FeLv. The ELISA test showed slightly + for FeLv. Itook her to the vet’s 
> initially because her lymph nodes were raging – all ofthem premandibular, 
> prescapular, inguinal all the way to the popliteals wereenlarged. A needle 
> aspirate of the lymph nodes result was hyperplasia,no lymphosarcoma. White 
> blood cell count was normal, but she was anemic, butnot to the point of 
> needing a transfusion.I was devastated and stunned at this diagnosis because 
> she(the whole litter) was tested as kittens for FIV and FeLv and were 
> negative. Myvet said the disease can stay in the bone marrow. I have her 
> brother who isasymptomatic – confusing. I haven’t had him tested yet for FeLv 
> yet.My vet recommended treatment with Immunoregulin. Theprotocol per Plumb’s 
> is an IV injection twice weekly for two weeks, then 1injection once weekly 
> for 21 weeks. She is now in her 4th week oftreatment. For the first two 
> weeks, her lymph nodes decreased and becamesofter. But after the 2nd week her 
> lymph nodes are raging againdespite the treatments. She is eating well, but 
> not very active. Has anyone had experience with this treatment or any 
> othertreatment(s) or advice to help my little girl? Thanks in advance,  Pat 
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Re: [Felvtalk] confirm 9c17a7de9b1bc412f6f94e8a84e39c1d5b5894fa

[dlgegg]

I hope so too.  I have learned so much from this group, about what and what not 
to worry about, how to treat my babies.  I do not want to loose contact.

 Lorrie  wrote: 
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Re: [Felvtalk] confirm 9c17a7de9b1bc412f6f94e8a84e39c1d5b5894fa

[dlgegg]

I am feeling left out, never have gotten one of thee mesages.  Oh well, the old 
saying of let sleeping dogs lie should apply here.

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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Sanctuaries..

[dlgegg]

If she is looking for a place to take them for life, C>W> RUSTIC HOLLOW is a no 
kill shelter and takes felv positive cats.  That is where I plan to send my 
babies when I pass on.
It cost $$, but I am assured they will not be ut to sleep, just kept for the 
rest of their lives.
 ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote: 
> Jennifer...

A few days back you had inquired about FeLV rescues and 
sanctuaries   When I got my FeLV boys I searched the Web for just 
such resources...not to transfer them but to be prepared with places 
they might go in the even something happened to me AND , specifically, 
to call them and ask their advice about how to care for my boys ( this 
was before I found this list)... I wanted to talk to people who spent a 
lot of time with multiple FeLV cats   Found that some folks were 
just nice folks that were providing homes and other were pretty well 
funded and set up with good PR...active boards and had a decent track 
record of adoption   I'm very sorry that I don't have the contacts 
right now  I put them on my PC somewhere and now don't know 
precisely where but... a couple of google searches with FeLV Rescue FeLV 
SanctuaryFelV adoption as the search terms and you will turn up 
quite a few   Off hand I recall
Blind Cat Rescue and Merrimack River ( in Mass) as two 
possibilities  The name's Aslan and Seer Farms also stick in my 
mind but I can't be more specific than that at the moment   FEW 
I imagine are going to immediately welcome new additions but it's always 
been my experience that if you get to know people at one placethey 
know people at another placeetc...etc and sooner or later you hit on 
someone that can offer assistance..   BTW  I'm absolutely with 
Amani on this one.    If your other cats are no longer kittens...( 
say 1.5 years and up) I'd vaccinate them and let your other little love 
join them  I have yet to hear of FeLV being passed from Kitten to 
Adult   I'd worry a LOT in reverse and would not put a very young 
negative cat in with FeLV positive adults.. But..as always...it's what 
YOU are comfortable with.   I just know that some cats really do a 
LOT better with company... my remaining boy ( I lost one of my guys just 
a short while ago after a brief life of constant illness) is VERY 
affiliative and I ended up adopting him BECAUSE I could see that he was 
dying to be with company Other cats... not so much... Your guy sound 
much like my own remaining guy and I'd really be inclined to let him 
have he company.

Bob


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Re: [Felvtalk] age

[dlgegg]

I must be extremely lucky because I have never had a problem with anything 
except fleas on my ferals and dump cats.  Thank God because just giving Annie 
her meds is a torture supreme.  She does not like it and you would be amazed 
how active a sick cat can be when she does not want to take her meds.

 Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> I use Revolution for fleas, which also is wonderful for ear mites. I have 
> never dealt with skin mites, so I don’t know if Revolution would treat those 
> as well, so check that out. Revolution is really great to apply as well, 
> because you just apply the contents of the tiny container onto the back of 
> the cat’s neck – very simple and very effective.
> 
> Amani
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Jennifer Olson
> Sent: February-10-17 8:30 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; Margo
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] age
> 
> MN.  Right now I'm about to switch from oral ivermectin to Feline Advantage 
> Multi.
> His fur appears to be growing back, and he must be scratching less because 
> nearly all of the scabs/ bumps are gone- BUT it would be nice to destroy the 
> mites FASTER, & without the nasty tasting oral.
> Your thoughts?
> Jen
> 
> On Feb 9, 2017 4:42 PM, "Margo" 
> mailto:toomanykitti...@earthlink.net>> wrote:
> Hi Jennifer,
> 
> Thank you for taking him :)
> 
> What are you using to treat him for mites and worms? It shouldn't 
> be difficult to keep them under control after initial treatment, so is 
> something else going on?
> 
> Where are you? No need to be specific, just general area, and 
> maybe someone can offer more "local" advice. V take FeLV+ cats.
> 
> Margo
> -Original Message-
> From: Jennifer Olson
> Sent: Feb 9, 2017 2:58 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] age
> On Dec 22nd, 2016 an ADORABLE young male kitty arrived crying @ our home. We 
> already have 3 cats & a dog, so we tried to find him a home. After a month, 
> and having allowed him inside (kept seperate from our zoo) due to lethally 
> cold weather, we decided he was here to stay. I was DEVASTATED when he tested 
> positive for FeLV. My problem isn't whether to give him a chance at as long 
> of a happy life he may have ahead of him, but HOW !  We can't keep him alone 
> in the basement bedroom forever, there isn't even a decent sized window for 
> him & my heart breaks that the only time I can give him is to sleep by him at 
> night. The few times I check in on him during the day are so brief! He has 
> SUCH character, and is SO handsome. I don't know how he ended up at our home, 
> unless he was dumped or left a nearby farm.
> WHERE are the rescue agencies for FeLV+ cats ? ? ? Currently I'm treating him 
> for skin mites (has ear mites TOO) so he MIGHT be deemed "adoptable" at a 
> shelter that does try adopting out FeLV+ cats. The precautions necessary to 
> keep the mites, FeLV, oh yes- AND worms (had to treat EVERYONE) from 
> spreading is also wearing me out.
> CAN  ANYONE  HELP  US ?
> 
> On Feb 8, 2017 5:12 PM, mailto:dlg...@windstream.net>> 
> wrote:
> My Annie is now 9 years old and was diagnosed as positive when I got her at 
> age 4.  She recently started sneezing and had runny eyes so off to the vet we 
> went.  She gave her a shot of antibiotic and some more to take at home.  She 
> seems to be improving, no more sniffles or runny eyes.  So far the discharges 
> have been clear but I did not want to wait a few days to be sure.  He other 
> problem is a lame left front leg.  It is not broken and the vet thinks she 
> probably sprained it when jumping dow from high places, which she does a lot 
> trying to avoid Harley who is a real pest these winter days.  If he cannot 
> get outside, he is a terrorist on 4 legs, knocks things down, over, stares at 
> me.
> 
>  Marlene Snowman mailto:tessie1...@icloud.com>> 
> wrote:
> > Hi Sheila, my little Bear is 1.5 years old and I've had her since she was a 
> > little more than 1 month old. She was very ill and tested positive from 
> > entry into my life. She appears healthy with good appetite with the 
> > exception of a nasal infection that the vet has been unable to remedy.
> >
> > I have no other personal experience with Felv although I have work 
> > colleagues who have cats that are 6 years old and appearing healthy.
> >
> > I'm hoping that all our fur babies have longevity and a quality of life too.
> >
> > Marlene
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Feb 8, 2017, at 4:22 PM, Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium 
> > > mailto:sheila.armstrong-br...@ssa.gov>> 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > I am learning a lot about FELV cats since I found my Skylar.  Just 
> > > wondering about how old is the oldest cat that lived with it.  I had the 
> > > IFA test done and that is positive also even though he is perfectly 
> > > healthy at the moment.  He will be 2 years old this month, I found him a 

Re: [Felvtalk] Feline leuk.

[dlgegg]

wHY SHOULD Y9OU CARE ABOUT WHAT OTHERS THINK?  I have had 2 FELV cats, 1 is 
still with me and my 3 other cats.  Everyone is healthy.  I take in a cat or 
dog no matter what their health.  I do what I can for them and they then stay 
with me as long as they can.  They give me love in returnfor my love for them.  
That is all that is important, not other people's opinions.

 Roxanne Smith  wrote: 
> That is what I really want to do help promote to save the lives of feline 
> leukemia and that you don't always have to put them down but they deserve 
> to live


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[Felvtalk] Katherine, Rebecca and Jennifer

[dlgegg]

Are you all new members?  I never get your emails except in "trash".  How do I 
get these people coming to my inbox?  I know I must have missed a few emails 
because of this.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Nasal polyp

[dlgegg]

I just had a slight cold issue and it seemed Annie always got in my face when 
she sneezed.  I took her to the vet first day since she is positive (age 8 
going on 9) and felv issues usually start with upper respiratory.  She got a 
shot and I brought home some antibiotics to give her. She seems to be getting 
better.  I have been sofortunate with her that this is her only illnes.

 Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> I’ve experienced nose issues in two cats, but in both, the problems were 
> serious (one cancerous and one some sort of abscess which eventually impinged 
> on the brain, causing a coma). Sounds like yours isn’t serious, which is a 
> good thing. But, yeah, I’ve had to deal with blood all over the place as well.
> 
> Amani
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Katherine K.
> Sent: February-09-17 4:19 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Nasal polyp
> 
> Anyone here ever dealt with a nasal polyp?
> 
> My 15 yo FeLV cat started having a chronic bloody nose (in one nostril only) 
> about 6 weeks ago. We did a shot of Convenia, then tried 2 weeks of 
> azithromycin antibiotics. Didn't help.
> 
> I took him in for a follow up yesterday and upon closer inspection we 
> discovered a polyp visible just on the inside of his nostril. It was too 
> small to remove with tweezers, so the vet prescribed another round of 
> azithromycin to kep infection at bay, and suggested we wait a month or 3 for 
> it to grow bigger so we can remove it.
> 
> I'm just glad it's not cancerous, but the poor guy has sneezing fits daily, 
> wakes up with dried blood crusted around his nostril each morning, and I'm 
> wiping bloody specks off my floors and walls (from the sneezes. Looks like a 
> mini crime scene in my house :-P)
> 
> Curious if anyone else has had to help cats with nose polyps.
> 
> Thanks,
> Katherine


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Re: [Felvtalk] age

[dlgegg]

My Annie is now 9 years old and was diagnosed as positive when I got her at age 
4.  She recently started sneezing and had runny eyes so off to the vet we went. 
 She gave her a shot of antibiotic and some more to take at home.  She seems to 
be improving, no more sniffles or runny eyes.  So far the discharges have been 
clear but I did not want to wait a few days to be sure.  He other problem is a 
lame left front leg.  It is not broken and the vet thinks she probably sprained 
it when jumping dow from high places, which she does a lot trying to avoid 
Harley who is a real pest these winter days.  If he cannot get outside, he is a 
terrorist on 4 legs, knocks things down, over, stares at me.  

 Marlene Snowman  wrote: 
> Hi Sheila, my little Bear is 1.5 years old and I've had her since she was a 
> little more than 1 month old. She was very ill and tested positive from entry 
> into my life. She appears healthy with good appetite with the exception of a 
> nasal infection that the vet has been unable to remedy. 
> 
> I have no other personal experience with Felv although I have work colleagues 
> who have cats that are 6 years old and appearing healthy. 
> 
> I'm hoping that all our fur babies have longevity and a quality of life too. 
> 
> Marlene 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Feb 8, 2017, at 4:22 PM, Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > I am learning a lot about FELV cats since I found my Skylar.  Just 
> > wondering about how old is the oldest cat that lived with it.  I had the 
> > IFA test done and that is positive also even though he is perfectly healthy 
> > at the moment.  He will be 2 years old this month, I found him a year ago. 
> >  
> >
> >  
> > HOOT
> > Sheila Armstrong-Brown
> > Administrative Aide
> > Psych Pool
> >  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Being Dropped..

[dlgegg]

never got any of these messages

 ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote: 
> Listserve Technology is rather hard to decipher without a Help file... 
and I never noticed one for this group when I joined ( has anyone ever 
received such)... eg.. differences between Reply and Reply all ( I note 
that if I use reply it STILL goes to everyone but if  REPLY all.. I see 
the message listed twice... 
I also frequently see " HTML attachment " scrubbed" instead of a 
response from someone ( his happened with Kat's reply  no 
text...just HTML attachment scrubbed.    When I first started to use the 
Internet _ many_ years ago when it was purely text based.. Listserves 
were the only form of group communication and people who joined got a , 
ridiculously long,hard to understand, but ultimately helpful file that 
told you how to negotiate the list  Perhaps we have such a thing for 
this group??  Anyone notice??    I doubt the list maintainer has any 
personal interest in dropping anyone...more likely it is an auto 
response.

Bob


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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2017 17:56:13 -0500
> From: Lorrie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Cc: owner-felvt...@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Being dropped
> Message-ID: <20170202225613.ga...@lnx12.netgear.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I am continually (every few weeks) being treatened with having my
> membership disabled/dropped, whatever. However I never received any
> of these any of these "bounces" from my ISP that I am accused of!
>
>
> Due to having been in a serious automobile accident..My car hit a
> patch of black ice and went over a hill and hit two trees, I was not
> able to respond to the recent threat from this FelV group.  I do not
> think it is fair to dump me beause I was not able to respond within 3
> days!  I enjoy this group and consider myself a valuable member.
>
>
> James,  Please reconsider If not then goodbye to everyone 
> here.
> Lorrie
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2017 20:22:04 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
> From: Margo To: felineres...@frontier.com, felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being dropped
> Message-ID:
>   <13721424.4770.1486084924...@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
>
>
> But if you're responding, have you been dropped? I got the same notice 
> a few days back, and I hadn't been "notified" of anything bouncing, 
> either.
> I guess I just thought it was an automatic thing and not under 
> anyone's control. I didn't notice a time limit, but I just replied 
> without really paying attention.
>
> I hope you stay, you would be missed...
>
> Margo
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>> From: Lorrie Sent: Feb 2, 2017 5:56 PM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Cc: owner-felvt...@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Being dropped
>>
>> I am continually (every few weeks) being treatened with having my
>> membership disabled/dropped, whatever. However I never received any
>> of these any of these "bounces" from my ISP that I am accused of!
>>
>>
>> Due to having been in a serious automobile accident..My car hit a
>> patch of black ice and went over a hill and hit two trees, I was not
>> able to respond to the recent threat from this FelV group.  I do not
>> think it is fair to dump me beause I was not able to respond within 3
>> days!  I enjoy this group and consider myself a valuable member.
>>
>>
>> James,  Please reconsider If not then goodbye to everyone 
>> here.
>> Lorrie
>>
>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2017 20:17:22 -0600
> From: To: Margo , felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being dropped
> Message-ID: <20170202211722.4AEH1.2451.root@pamxwww08-z01>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Never got his notice.
>  Margo  wrote:
>>
>>
>> But if you're responding, have y