oh, I am sorry I sent that email now, because the meds did arrive right afterwards! And the woman wrote why it took so long, because she has been going through a whole lot of medical crises at her house. So I feel bad I wrote the warning email to the group. It had just been so long that I
Nina, I actually just woke up at 2:30 in the morning and thought of you and wondered how Spencer is, and got up and turned on the computer to see if you had written the list. And you had.
I am so sorry he is declining, though of course it is expected. Have you considered upping his dex dosage a
I am so, so sorry.
Michelle
Nina, just my opinion but I would not cut back on the dex amounts. I
do not think that Spencer has a long time. There are always miracles, but large
cell lymphoma on only steroids does not usually go that long-- six months I have
heard of on the dex/depo combo shots, but that is really an
I'm so sorry.
Michelle
Hideyo, it sounds like she is anemic from losing blood, which means that no
medicine is going to help her unless it stops the bleeding. If she has a
bleeding ulcer, she should be given Carafate, which is a medicine that seals up
ulcers. Prednisone can make ulcers worse. If she has a
Good to hear from you, and glad he is still up to running and jumping.
I hope he keeps it up.
Michelle
In a message dated 10/5/2006 9:43:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi
Michelle,It's been about a month since Spencer went missing and a little
more than that
I am glad that the bleeding stopped. Absent an ultrasound, you are
doing everything you can do. Is she eating at all? Moving around?
Michelle
In a message dated 10/8/2006 12:39:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Thank you michelle, I
was hoping that you would
I would at least up his dex to what it was at before you cut it eod.
I might even up it more than that. Have you tried periactin with him? Or reglan
or pepcid for nausea? I would fool around with all of these things and try to
get his symptoms under control.
The only thing a vet can do for
Hideyo,
some people on this list have reversed severe anemia in positives
with a few abdominal injections of acemannan. Have you considered this?
Michelle
Nina, he is not going to get better. If you thought he might, you should
try chemo, as that is really the only thing with a chance at giving him
long-term remission. Otherwise, he might if lucky live a few months, but
cats with lymphoma do not just go on living for years without treatment.
Periactin is cyproheptadine, which it seems like you are already giving
him.
You're right-- high doses of steroids can sometimes cause stomach upset. I
have not seen it, so had not thought of it. Pepcid and/or carafate would
be what helps with that. I would start giving him 1/2 pepcid once
Nina, if he lets you pill him, he might let you put a gob of baby
food or A/D on the back of his tongue, and it might be less stressful than
normal assist feeding. Lucy really hardly minds me doing that at all-- I
do it with her raw food when she is not feeling well. I just put a gob in
You didn't upset me. I was afraid I had upset you, and was just trying to
explain why I had said what I said. Please don't worry about it.
Give him lots of pets and kisses,
Michelle
In a message dated 10/9/2006 2:26:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
My
dearest
I would guess that if it is actually lymphoma it is small-cell lymphoma,
which can grow very slowly, as opposed to large-cell lymphoma, which most of our
cats get.
Michelle
In a message dated 10/9/2006 6:48:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Nina – I know that
this
I have used valium this way too and have found it makes a big difference in
how peacefully they go. I am so sorry.
Michelle
In a message dated 10/9/2006 6:50:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Oh
Hideyo, I'm so sorry! Do you have any Valium in the house? When my
Nina, I am really sorry. This is the hardest thing in the world.
Michelle
I am so, so, so sorry Hideyo. You have been through way too much to bear. My heart is with you.
Michelle
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 7:34 PM
Subject: My precious Tsubomi has now become free --
I am so sorry
Nina, I am really sorry. It sounds like he really did not have any
pain, just weakness, which is such a blessing. death itself is never a blessing,
no matter what people say. I am so sorry.
Michelle
Lucy's doing great, knock on wood. Thanks for asking. I am very slowly
tapering her pred for her ibd, and she is down to 8.75 mg/day. Still a lot, but
a lot less than 15 mg/day, which she was on for a while. My big thing now
is trying to get my vet to order prednisolone versus prednisone.
Adding
omega oils to the diet is supposed to help stop shedding. Fish oil, which you
can get in capsules at the health food store, would work. My cats like salmon
oil sqeezed from capsules into their food (just a few
drops).
Vomiting just after eating is often a sign of hairballs.
Thanks, Nina. Of course, as I feared, right after writing that she is
a bit worse today. Went twice, had a little blood on it, eating less, and
going after Patches a lot. I think I may have forgotten her pred dose last night
though (will beat myself with wet noodle if I can confirm that),
I would try Acemannan shots. At least one person, and I think actually two,
on this list, have had acemannan shots completely turn around serious anemia in
positive cats. If it is an immune weakness thing and not cancer (or maybe
even if it is cancer?) it sounds like something that has a
I am so, so, so sorry. Did he die during the transfusion? It's ok if
you can not write about it, but it might help us in the future to know
this.
Michelle
oh my god, that is so scary and horrible. I am praying right now for their
safe return. You might want to contact local media about it, so that
people keep a look out for the cats. I read in the paper a few months ago
that people on a drive across country lost their cats at a rest stop-- the
wow! So amazing! Hopefully Satch will be right behind. REmember what I said
about the story where one was found right away and the next a few months later,
so do not lose any hope!
Michelle
oh my god, that is such good news!! Sorry for being behind!
Michelle
In a message dated 10/18/2006 9:51:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Michelle -- you need to
look at the posts titled GOOD NEWS! They're both safe and sound!
;-)
Diane
R.
i am not in VA but want to second the I-R idea. It really helped two
of my cats get over sever resp. infections, one with pneumonia.
one of my cats had 1/2 hour of vry high fever and chills after each shot.
this is appaerently a rare side effect, and after she was immediately much
better
kerry,
is the blood red blood on the outside of the stool or is the
stool black? if it is the former, the combination of symptoms could be
ibd.
michelle
In a message dated 10/17/2006 6:42:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi
everyone
Please know that though
soundsa like ibd to me. is she positive for felv? is she eating and keeping
weight on ok? intestinal lymphoma is a worry if she is positive and is also
wasting. though that can also be ibd.
michelle
In a message dated 10/19/2006 1:48:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I am getting posts way out of order, e.g. getting responses to a post and
then two days later getting the original post. is this happening to anyone else?
I don't know if it is the list or aol.
thanks,
michelle
i just got your reply but my own post has not shown up yet! how
weird.
if anyone asks me something and i do not reply, this is most likely why.
you might want to try emailing me off list if that happens.
thanks,
michelle
In a message dated 10/19/2006 3:35:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
in that case, given her age, i would suspect hyperthyroid or ibd. or
potentially kidney problems, but she would probably be drinking and urinating a
lot then,
michelle
In a message dated 10/19/2006 3:34:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
She is a very bony
In a message dated 10/19/2006 3:55:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yes, I've noticed that happening to me in the last
day or two.
ok, must be the list the. thanks.
michelle
In a message dated 10/19/2006 3:55:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yes, I've noticed that happening to me in the last
day or two.
I just read this post. Definitely try Immuno-Regulin.
Michelle
In a message dated 10/16/2006 8:29:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi
everyoneThis is a great group. I am waiting until I can see the vet
this morning. Junior who tested positive for Felv 10/6/06 is
i am really sorry. i just read this-- have been having trouble getting
posts.
Michelle
hope you find a new vet soon. wish i knew someone down there. perhaps
try an internist at a larger hospital or vet school if there are any nearby, or
a cat specialist.
I think it is better to start IV. It is not prescription, and you
have it, so all you really need is someone who can do IV
Lysine also helps a lot with URI's. And the I-R shold have been about
$30 for the bottle and should last for enough doses to get him better if it is
going to work.
Michelle
In a message dated 10/19/2006 9:03:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I will
look into the
Terrie,
There is no test for FIP. Only for corona viruses, of which
there are many and most cats test positive for them. FIP is a mutation of a
corona virus. It in itself is not contagious. Some of the corona
viruses are treatable with antibiotica, like toxoplasmosis is a corona virus, I
If you are able to go to MA, there is also a good internist at VESCONE in
Waltham (veterinary emergecy and specialty center of new england). Her name is
Dr. Spielman, I think. I liked her a lot. And her staff is great. but the
after-hours emergency/hospitalization staff sucks. They are
I am so sorry.
Michelle
She is very sick. It started last night. We have a vet appointment at 9:30
locally, can not get an internist appointment. It is not her IBD-- her bowels
are normal. But she has stopped eating, does not want me to touch her (she is
usually all over me) and has that dull sick look in her eyes.
Well, she has a fever of 104.5, and her nose has started running a bit. So
the vet put her on Clavamox, and I gave her fluids and force-fed her some baby
food with lysine in it. I also ordered Immuno-regulin to be expressed mailed to
me, and my vet said he will give her the IV shot when it
Someone on this list had the same thing with low white blood cell count,
and she said that Immuno-regulin brought it back up. I am almost positive
that is what she said brought it up, anyway. She wrote about it many
months after the fact and the wbc was still normal.
You can order
Of course, now Lucy has diarrhea too. I do not know if it is because
I gave her baby food, or because I gave her Lysine (her IBD flaring up) or if it
is just the fever doing it. I was going to cut down on her pred because it can
be counterproductive to fighting an infection or virus, but now
I got the first post. It seems like the list is kind of srewed up for
almost everyone in terms of what order things show up in and how long they
take. Has anyone told the list owner?
Michelle
In a message dated 10/24/2006 12:19:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I
My mom asked me the same thing just now-- why I force fed her baby food
rather than blending up her normal turkey diet. I have no idea. I just did not
think of it. I will definitely do that from now on. Thanks.
flagyl actually seems to really help her get over IBD flare-ups. I just
learned
I do have Little Noses. But her congestion itself is not terrible. I just
mentioned it because it is further evidence that this is a URI. Though I
guess it might be the congestion, rather than the fever, that is making her not
want to eat.
Michelle
In a message dated 10/24/2006 1:03:45
I just want to make a plug for Triaminic cold and allergy (the bright
orange one). A friend whose wife is a vet (in HI, alas) recommended to me
a long time ago with Ginger to give .2 (point 2, not 2) ml of this every 8 hours
to help with congestion. It helped a lot with Ginger-- got her
She goes outside under our supervision. We have cat fence on the fence tops
to keep them in, but because we live near a road I still get nervous letting
them out without supervision. Plus she hunts if unsupervised.
The weather recently got cold here, and maybe we were not keeping the heat
Well, Lucy ate a whole bowl of her turkey and her ears were cooler, so I
took her temp and it is down to 103.1 (from 104.5 this morning and early
afternoon), knock on wood. But she squirmed a lot while I had the
thermometer in her, and I used one of those thin plastic disposable sheaths on
Thanks, she seems fine. No blood using it without the sheath. I
always use lube.
Michelle
temp down to 101.5 today, eating though not as much as normal, and walking
around and jumping again. Still not quite herself, but I am more relaxed. Her
blood work was fine on all counts according to the vet. I decided to hold
off on the I-R for now and just continue with the clavamox and,
Hideyo, sending prayers. If she is anemic, wouldn't that be a sign that she
has something other than FIP, like leukemia the cancer or something else hard to
diagnose (but potentially treatable, or at least manageable for a while with
steroids)?
Michelle
They make ear ones for animals too. I bought one on sale from Revival, and
it does not work.
Michelle
In a message dated 10/25/2006 1:39:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don't
know Michelle. I hate those rectalthermometers. I bought a
digital one at
Sounds like she has gingivitis and could have stomatitis. Clindamycin
is an antibiotic that often helps with gingivitis. My cat Patches stopped
eating for a day or two because of inflamed gums and a five day course of
Clindamycin cleared it up enough for her to feel and act ok again. If it
Sheila,
Cat Fence-In is something you attach to the top of a fence to keep cats
from climbing it. It has metal brackets that stick out and up and a 45 degree
angle, and strong netting that you attach to the top of the fence and drape up
over the brackets (and attach it). Cats can't climb
It depends on what is causing the anemia. If it is either an auto-immune
reaction or lymphoma in the bone marrow, steroids should help (though a stronger
steroid like dexamethasone would help more, probably). If it is leukemia
the cancer it might help also. It probably will not help for any
It is completely unpredictable. But supplements and good care seem to
help a lot. I forgot to mention that CoQ10 is supposed to help with gum
problems. I had one of mine on it for a few years.
Michelle
In a message dated 10/25/2006 6:08:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Go to a feline dentist, not a regular vet, to get them removed. The dentist
will be more expensive, but it is worth it if you can afford it. They do a
much better job.
Michelle
In a message dated 10/26/2006 10:57:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Thank
you so
I think that the reason this list is different is that it takes a different
sort of person to want to and be willing to care for cats with FeLV. It
takes a lot of compassion, and also a lot of willingness to face hard things,
and also a willingness to have an open mind and do some research.
I just read the vetrinary guidelines and noticed that they say AZT can help
with stomatitis. That's a good thing to keep in mind. For the person who
recently posted about a cat with mouth problems, it is something to look
into.
Michelle
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I was surprised when I read this.
I think you are doing the right thing, Hideyo, and I pray it helps
her.
Michelle
Besides fluids, definitely give SAMe (marketed through vets as denosyl, but
you can just get SAMe at the health food store if you can find out the amount of
SAMe that's in denosyl-- maybe someone on the list knows--) it helps a lot with
liver failure.
Michelle
I have been told that tube feeding actually does not bother them. I
have been told that by people who have done it with their cats, and also by
vets.
Michelle
In a message dated 10/27/2006 7:46:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
OK: Again, this is my opinion. I would
PLEASE do not euthanize her based on a positive test! That is not a
reason. FeLV is like HIV. It means a suppressed immune system. It does not mean
your cat is going to die anytime soon.
Immuno-Regulin is a good immune stimulant and really seems to help with
upper respiratory viruses,
It's a great poem. Thanks,
Michelle
Hi, all. Lucy has been doing well getting over her URI-- no fever, no
stuffy nose, just a little tiny bit of clear discharge from her nose every now
and then. But here is the problem-- she now has frequent liquid diarrhea,
threw up this morning, and is not interested in eating more than a
Thanks, Nina. The vet just called back and said to stop the clavamox and
see, so I guess I will do that. She's had 4.5 days of it now. Her coat
does not look oily, but it does look funny-- a little sticky-outy. It could be
because of the winter dryness setting in here, I guess. I have not
If someone has a sick child who needs very expensive medical care, would
anyone tell them that the same amount of money could save 30 children dying of
malaria in another country (which is probably true)? By her reasoning, no
one should ever get expensive medical care for themselves, their
Yay! I am praying hard for Dukee.
Michelle
Yes, it's a URI if green or yellow. I would give her lysine (in case
it's viral) and Clavamox or amoxicillin. If that does not work you can try
something else, but it might work and they are milder than the other things you
can use. I have heard also not to give kittens Baytril. I think it
It has now been over 24 hours since Lucy got her last Clavamox, but she is
still having completely liquid diarrhea-- 3 times already this morning. I
gave her probiotics twice, to no avail (in the past they have seemed to make her
worse, actually). Has anyone had a cat get diarrhea from
They can eat on their own while on a feeding tube. So the only real
question is whether it is ok for his liver to eat what the other cats are
eating. You should ask your vet that.
Also ask the vet about how to give the Denosyl. Many meds you can crush and
put in with the food that goes in
I am a big fan of slippery elm, but in the past, with her IBD-related
diarrhea, it has not helped her at all. If the diarrhea is from abx I
can't see it helping either. Maybe I will try it tonight because of
her IBD, though, I am loathe to put too many new things into her body in the
Did it help with diarrhea caused by antibiotics?
In a message dated 10/29/2006 2:38:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
See if
you can get apple pectin or phylum (bad spelling--unflavored
metimusuiel--again bad spelling). They helped with several critters who
Can you describe her position in more detail?
In a message dated 10/29/2006 3:11:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Is this a common
thing among anemia kitties – or is it something
else?
I've never heard of it. Is it prescription? What is it?
Michelle
In a message dated 10/29/2006 5:07:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi
Michelle,While I think it's good to try to avoid its use, do you have
access to Centrine? It would help calm down Lucy's
That is usually a sick cat position.
Michelle
In a message dated 10/29/2006 5:51:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Usually in a meat
loaf position –
Lucy's diarrhea has gotten significantly worse-- she had a large quantity
of liquid diarrhea 5 times today. She also vomited up the raw food that I
syringed her, about 5 hours after she ate it. She is purry and able to go
up and down stairs, but a bit out of it. I will call the vet in the am
She is already feeling much better. Won't know until tomorrow about eating
and stool, but will let you know. She's pretty spritely right now, though, knock
on wood.
Thanks,
Michelle
In a message dated 10/29/2006 9:08:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Prayers
that
oh God, I am so sorry.
Michelle
Yesterday Lucy seemed on the mend. I had fasted her for about 12 hours, then gave her little bits of cooked turkey every half hour or so in the morning. She ate it the first 3 or 4 times and was in good spirits, no vomiting or diarrhea, so I went to work. Gray was at home. She ate a little more
Dexamethasone is a miracle drug. It works really quickly and really well. I hope it continues to work for her for a long time.
Michelle
P.S. how much did you give her?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL
Hideyo, I am so sorry. I do not know how you are handling all
this.
I have also felt very bad, after the end, about the amount of drugs I tried
in trying to save them or make them comfortable. But I also regret not having
tried several drugs as well. At the same time. I guess that is just
Oftentimes people, both human and feline, rebound on their last day.
Like they are using their last store of energy or something, since they will not
need it. It is often mistaken for improvement. I have seen it as
well.
Michelle
In a message dated 11/2/2006 7:36:43 P.M. Eastern Standard
She is slightly anemic, which is something that you want to address right
away before it gets worse. Anemia is one of the things that can kill an FeLV+
cat if it gets bad. It is important to try to figure out the cause of
anemia. There is a bacterial cause, called hemobartonella, ,that is
I thought stress related hair loss in cats is usually on the belly and legs
from them pulling it out. If it is stress related, though, try
Benadryl. My vet prescribed it for Patches, and it stops her from pulling
her hair out. Without it she had a bald belly and back legs. I get it
oh my God, I just saw this, I am so sorry, I can not believe what you are
going through-- except that I have been there. I do not understand why things
like this tend to happen in groups...
Michelle
Sorry-- not sure why the forward didn't work. Apparently a bunch of the
money would go to fish and wildlife to support their game stocking and hunting
programs. They have been running out of money and this is a way to keep
them going...
Michelle
Hideyo, I am so sorry. I can not believe what you are having to go
through.
Michelle
She's doing ok. Just starting to be herself again, and diarrhea has
stopped. Knock on wood. Thanks.
Michelle
In a message dated 11/5/2006 1:17:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Michelle,
I'm so behind. I hope Lucy is better.
t
for those of you with cats with this problem... from the Best Friends No
More Homeless Pets Forum, the expert of the week was an expert on flower
essences.
Michelle
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Question from Dodo:I have a cat
who is 5.5 years old now. I adopted her as a kitten, and she was pretty
Jen, I just saw this email. I am so sorry! You have been through a
lot.
Michelle
if it is autoimmune, give very high doses of steroids, preferably
dexamethasone.
Michelle
In a message dated 11/6/2006 1:40:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have to agree with
Kelly – but again, I know why you don’t want to do it, too.. I gave Tsubomi
Hideyo, I did the meditation like you instructed. I hope it works!
orange tabby boys are the cutest.
Michelle
My Simon, who had lymphoma in his bone marrow, went down to 11 one time.
This was after he had had 2 transfusions. After the 3rd one we did a lot of
steroids and he was on chemo, and his hematocrit came back up to over 30.
He later had a hemolytic reaction to either the cancer or the chemo
two different drugs and there was never a problem getting I-R. The
thing that is hard to get is feline interferon (virbagen omega), which has to
come with special dispensation from the FDA from overseas (though Hideyo has
gotten around it). Acemannan was off the market a short while to be
Definitely do the labs. Way more important than the other stuff at this point, because if she is anemic you need to get a handle on that quickly.
Michelle
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