Re: Ive lost her.....
I am sorry for Akira. You gave everything possible... I believe that all research in this field will give a result and in 3-5 years we will have a treatment to that disastrous disease. StanFrom: "Del Daniels" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Ive lost her.Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 14:14:38 -0500LisaI am so sorry your Akira has left you.Hugs,Del - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 2:37 PM Subject: Ive lost her. She's gone..Akira crossed over on May 18th at 9:30 amShe fought so hard to stayI fought so hard for her...this is so hard..let me start from the beggining. I found her May of 2001, as a little angel in disquiseshe was under a car, in the rain, soaking wet, at my work.on a cold day.My assistant manager acutally found her adn came running back in.. "Lisa there's a kitten under a car...come quick"So I grabbed a can of kitty food and ran outside...she was so tiny!and WOA was she full of spunk..even as bad off as she was...she uttered one little valiant hiss at usthen she smeeled the food..adn forgot she was afraid..We wrapped her up in my sweater adn ran inside the store..at which point she decided to start SCREAMING at us...(needless to say we got some strange looks from customers) Once I had her settled in a little box..I realized how bad off she wasonly weighing 1 lb (mabey a bit more) and she looked to be about 4 months oldshe was SICK..her eyes sealed shut with gunk, something had attacked her...picked her right up..she had scratches on one side and a abcess on the othershe ate an entire cann of Friskiesafter she was done ..this little tiny soul...who more than likely had never known a kind human..or one at allwas begging to be petted..she would jsut purr, and purr, and purr..you would have never thought a sound so deafening could come out of such a little body..then 3 days later my heart sank..we found she was FeLV +... I was so scared and torn..she had touched my heart so much...just in those 3 days.I decided to try and save her...and I did...she fought so hard..put up with me poking and proding her, shoving God knows what down her throat to get meds,and extra nurishment into her...we were fighting alot...she had FeLV, was anemic very badly, had worms, a kitten flu, and URI, an abcess on her side...it took a whole 3 days for her to even have a bowl or urine movement at all..her body absorbed everythingand she took it..with out so much as a complaint...she was so strong...on her check up her blood values were better and she had gained 2 lbs..in a WEEK.we were on the roadbut still I had to figure out how to beat this FeLV..I didn't know what it was.So I got on line..and everything I found was so disheartening..tehn I found this ONE LONE SITEthe FeLV siteand it changed mine..and her lifeI got the Interferon, researched supplements, you name it..she got it...and she kept growing and growing.and getting more and more spunky..this little girl had life in her.How would she handle the dogs Hum...well that didn't go over very well (mabey a dog attacked her???)more work to do..she had to be able to get along with them..adn not stress herself outso we worked,and slowly but surely she was ok...adn tehn even liked the dogs..and would play with my mini dachshund Lancelot...they would play "hide and go pounce"which in their terms was taking turns chasing each other around teh house..(and let me tell you...it is awful funny to see a 10 dog run by with a4 lb kitten on his tail..with her tail up in the air..in hot pursuit)...then she would jump onto a chair..adn he would be looking all over for her with no luck..when she would POUNCE on top of him..and off they would go again...for hours!!!She had such a love for life she slept with us every day...every night before bed and every morning before we got up we would play "cover monsters" where she would attack the evil moving thing under the coversthen in came her kitty brotherwho we trapped feral, fearing he was related to her..as similar as they were...and that he too would have this awful disease..well he didn't ..YEA..but what to do now..more researchwe let them live togeather..SHE HATED HIM..absloutly loathed him..she would hiss and attack (a whole nother side of my "angel" I had never seen) Indy...bless his heart just kept insisiting she like him though...he took her abuse and purred and cued back to herhow could he have not won her over? Then one summer we got a chance to got to the outer banks of NC for vacationfor free..couldn't pass that up...but what about Akira..couldn't trust anyone to care for her...to make sure she got the perfect balance of supplements...so she came with us on a 8 hr drive and a 3 hr ferry ride...and she was a champ..slept in my lap the
Jersey
Hi all again, My name is Stan and I am international student from Europe. I recently realized that my cat has FeLV. He os just 2 years. His name is Jersey. I believe that he has the power to survive for year or two BUT I have to make him eating. He is very skinny and can hardly stands on his back legs. Doctor said that his heart is beating good but his kidneys are damaged. What stage of the illness do you think he is? How can I make him eat? I am very glad that I found that site. It kees the last glimpse of hope alive... StanFrom: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: I Think I'm Losing Digby .Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 20:02:15 -0700 (PDT)Marlene,I am way behind on email.I hope maybe Digby is doing better today?Don't beat yourself up over something you may have missed.I've found that to be easier to say than do,but it has often heppened with me that one of mine became quickly ill and I made myself miserable wondering and second guessing myself.It doesn't help.One of the biggest problems with felv is that your cat can be fine one day and horribly ill the next.Please keep us posted about Digby.You are in my thoughts and prayers.tonyaMarlene Chornie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi Group, Can't think too clearly at the moment, but I think we're going to lose Digby.Having to syringe feed him now and give Doxycycline.Blood work (according to the vet lab) seems to be indicating something going on in the bone marrow, may/may not be Hemobart.They also say there's a secondary infection but no indication as to where/what it is (at this point).Our vet clinic ran a urine sample today but it was O.K., so not a kidney/bladder infection.We've been told it could be anything from an abscess somewhere to a tumour, to I really can't remember what all.Vet today (not his regular vet) said that if he won't eat, they could put a feeding tube in his mouth (doesn't require anesthetic) and get food in.We're trying our very best to syringe feed him A/D, but it sometimes upsets me to see him stressed when I do it.Also syringing some water into him.He can still get around (to litter box), but other than that, he just prefers to be by himself (in his "safe place").Myhusband and I find ourselves thinking - are we doing the right/best thing for him already at this point? When is enough enough, and will we know it?We knew when enough was enough last year with our "Casper" (CRF), but FelV is a whole new thing for us, and I guess we're already beating ourselves up over it wondering if we missed something, weren't observant enough, or what?Sorry to "babble" but this is already starting to take a toll on my husband and I.Just needed to talk about it.Marlene
Re: Jersey
Hi Belinda, Thanks for the information. I am going to take Jersey to the vet tomorrow. I took him on Friday, they kept him in the clinic for tests and the doctor called me in the evening. I was shoked to hear he has a leukimia and could hardly catch what she was explaining me. I am going to talk with her tomorrow afternoon. Now, I give Jersey some yoke and cream cheese. He rejects the diet food from the vet. He likes margarine but I use that only to give him some vitamins. I cannot believe that disease is so spread in the USA. In Bulgaria, where I come from I have never heard for cat cancer. Cats usually die from accidents or age. I am really amazed to read that 60 million cats in the US carry this virus. Something has to be done. Thanks again. Keep in touch StanFrom: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: JerseyDate: Tue, 24 May 2005 08:12:50 -0700 Hi Stan,There is a CRF (chronic renal failure) group on Yahoo you may want to join, I've heard of kitties with crf that get weak in the back legs it has something to do with the potassium level.Here is the group if your interested.CRF can be managed if caugh early enough, it usually requires a diet change and careful monitoring.http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FelineCRF/Also you have to be sure Jersey is getting enough food or your asking for a whole different group of complications.What treatment has your vet suggested?--BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com(affordable hosting web design)http://HostDesign4U.com---BMK Designs (non-profit web sites)http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Jersey
Thanks to all that responded to Jersey. Barbara, I am in Toledo, OH. I don't know if the vet has a lot of experience with FeLV. I will try to talk with her about that tomorrow. I read the site about CRF. It is very detailed really. I believe that is the problem he has now. Hopefully it is not late to start treating it. Thanks for the food and diet information. I will try the baby food and hope it works. I will keep you in touch with what happens tomorrow in the clinic. Thanks again StanFrom: Barbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: JerseyDate: Tue, 24 May 2005 13:52:32 -0400Hello,I assume your vet ran a complete blood work on Jersey which discovered the virus.How long has your cat not been eating cat food? Ask your vet for the Science Diet a/d cans. Many of the science diet canned foods are too dry-I know my cats will not eat any of it.the a/d cans are very very soft food--perhaps Jersey will like that. You can try putting some on a spoon and smearing it along the side of his mouth so he will be at least taste it and perhaps be tempted. Also baby food jars-beef, chicken, lamb might tempt Jersey to eat. make sure no onions in the ingredients.I agree with Belinda's suggestion to go to the Chronic Renal Failure CRF group for advice.How experienced is your vet with leukemia treatments?Ask if there is a specialist vet in the area? May I ask, what state are you in? perhaps someone on the list can recommend a vet.Good luck taking care of Jersey. He is lucky he found you.regardsBarbara - Original Message - From: stany petrov To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 11:32 AM Subject: Re: Jersey Hi Belinda, Thanks for the information. I am going to take Jersey to the vet tomorrow. I took him on Friday, they kept him in the clinic for tests and the doctor called me in the evening. I was shoked to hear he has a leukimia and could hardly catch what she was explaining me. I am going to talk with her tomorrow afternoon. Now, I give Jersey some yoke and cream cheese. He rejects the diet food from the vet. He likes margarine but I use that only to give him some vitamins. I cannot believe that disease is so spread in the USA. In Bulgaria, where I come from I have never heard for cat cancer. Cats usually die from accidents or age. I am really amazed to read that 60 million cats in the US carry this virus. Something has to be done. Thanks again. Keep in touch Stan From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Jersey Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 08:12:50 -0700 Hi Stan, There is a CRF (chronic renal failure) group on Yahoo you may want to join, I've heard of kitties with crf that get weak in the back legs it has something to do with the potassium level.Here is the group if your interested.CRF can be managed if caugh early enough, it usually requires a diet change and careful monitoring. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FelineCRF/ Also you have to be sure Jersey is getting enough food or your asking for a whole different group of complications.What treatment has your vet suggested? -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com(affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
RE: emergency advice on starved cat needed
Hi Jenn, I have the same problem with Jeresy.I gave him somecream chease and later somebody from the forum suggested that I feed him with baby food (Barbara I think). It worked- the small pots in Walmart - chiken, beef. It shoul work. Keep in touch Stan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: emergency advice on starved cat neededDate: Wed, 25 May 2005 21:43:36 -0400Someone brought me a starved cat (young adult I think). She is eating my goo mixture of wet cat food, Nutri-cal, and water, but she is desperately thin. She's obviously dehydrated, but since I've gotten wet food mixture into her, she has already perked up. Can you guys please remind me of what happens to a cat that is starved? Is it renal failure they get from being starved? She seems very wobbly in her back legs now, and you can see every bone in her body. Her body temp was so low when she first got here that I thought she was dying. I put her on a heating pad, and now her body temp feels much more normal (I don't have a thermometer). She laid there like she was dead for the first hour, then she began to shiver, now she seems OK. I can't afford a emergency vet trip right now, so I need to do what I can for her tonight. I gave her a bit of Beyer's yogurt that I had (blueberry flavor), because it was the only thing I had in the house with potassium in it, and I remember someone saying that weak back legs can be helped with potassium, I think. She probably weighs 2 pounds max right now. She is a tiny Siamese mix (has the big Siamese voice and ice blue eyes), seal point, with white chest, muzzle and feet. She appears to have her adult teeth, but she is TINY for an adult. Any advice appreciated. She just found the couch and jumped up on it, I think she was a house cat at some point. I'd hate to let someone's beloved missing pet die tonight, please help me!Jenn~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil!No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.16 - Release Date: 5/24/2005
Re: Jersey
Barbara, Actually Jersey started to looked much better but he is not able to stand on his back legs. Now he is n the clinic for X-rays and in the afternoon the doctor will call me. There are many outcomes- transplantation, medications, nothing to be done, I am waiting... Thanks StanFrom: Barbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: JerseyDate: Thu, 26 May 2005 09:22:41 -0400 glad to hear Jersey is liking the baby food. you can try mixing a little of regular cat food or the science diet a/d into the baby food to gradually wean him off it so he can start getting his full proper nutrients. gradually he'll hopefully go back to regular cat food. it does take time to wean them off the taste sometimes but then that's why cats are catshas the CRF group been any help? Barbara
Re: Jersey
I have bad news form the vet. she said the problem was somewhere beteen the kidneys. I am confused. Is the leukimia really causing everything or the doctor cannot find the reason? Yestereday he was eating good and looked good. Are the doctors really qualified enough? She offered me euthanesia. I am not going to accept, but I am very confused. What might cause the deficiency in the back legs if not the kidney CRF??? Stan ---BeginMessage--- Barbara, Actually Jersey started to looked much better but he is not able to stand on his back legs. Now he is n the clinic for X-rays and in the afternoon the doctor will call me. There are many outcomes- transplantation, medications, nothing to be done, I am waiting... Thanks StanFrom: Barbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: JerseyDate: Thu, 26 May 2005 09:22:41 -0400 glad to hear Jersey is liking the baby food. you can try mixing a little of regular cat food or the science diet a/d into the baby food to gradually wean him off it so he can start getting his full proper nutrients. gradually he'll hopefully go back to regular cat food. it does take time to wean them off the taste sometimes but then that's why cats are catshas the CRF group been any help? Barbara ---End Message---
Re: Jersey
Thanks a lot Barbara. I just chose the vet from the list. I can afford to pay let's say 500- 600. By the way, I have a pet insuarance but it is from a month ago. I don't know if they cover past diseases? Does anybody know about that? I mean, insuarance companies have lots of protection. I am going to talk with another vet probably. He is moving hard, but can walk to the litterbox. I am picking him today and keep feeding him with the baby food... Stan From: Barbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: JerseyDate: Thu, 26 May 2005 14:51:52 -0400sorry. I have no experience with CRF or Jersey's problem of weak back legs. what do the cat owners on the CRF say? has anyone there offered any helpful info or suggestions?Have you asked your vet for referral to a specialist(if you can afford the vet fees?)---don't be worried about hurting your vet's feelings in asking to discuss Jersey with another vet. has anyone on the CRF list recommended a vet in your area?why did the vet suggest euthanasia?It has been discussed on this list before I believe--the reasons for considering being a beloved pet to sleep. hopefully someone else can post them for you--i just gotback from a platelets donation so kinda tired. also many of us have our own personal criteria for judging when an animal is no longer enjoying life. frankly if your cat is eating, I would consider that a good sign. is he getting nutrients from the food--when my dog had cancer, her bowel movements were proof her food was not being digested properly adding to her weakened condition. is Jersey able to have movements? is he able to get around on his own at all?someone on the CRF group should be able to recommend a form of phosphorus for your cat. A cat testing postive for feline leukemia is not reason enough to put to sleep an animal though sadly many vets still feel that because their training has been that the pet will die anyway sooner or later.Not knowing why you selected this particular vet I can offer no answer if the vet is qualified. was the vet recommended to you?is there perhaps a veterinary school in your state?can you ask your vet to explain better what she means by the problem is somewhere between the kidneys?perhaps there might be some info on the www.holisticat.com website. I believe the founder of the site-her cat was crf also. there is an archive you can look through--and also a mailing list to join if you so desire to ask questions and for help.good luck. remember to enjoy your time with Jersey and not worry yourself all the time so that you lose what time you have with him. I know it's easier said than done but allow yourself time to just love your pet.barbara - Original Message - From: stany petrov To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 12:57 PM Subject: Re: Jersey I have bad news form the vet. she said the problem was somewhere beteen the kidneys. I am confused. Is the leukimia really causing everything or the doctor cannot find the reason? Yestereday he was eating good and looked good. Are the doctors really qualified enough? She offered me euthanesia. I am not going to accept, but I am very confused. What might cause the deficiency in the back legs if not the kidney CRF??? Stan
Re: Jersey
Hi, Finally I have the news about Jersey. The vet said that the problem with the kidneys is due to FIV which is a relatively new disease. She prescribed me some medications and suggested a blood transfusion (it is 100$, I expected 5-6 hundred) She gave me: Interferon Alpha, Clavamox, Cyproheptadine, Prednisoline The results from the IVP are: WBC: 17.00 Ne: 13.47 up Ly: 2.53 Mo:0.76 Eo: 0.23 Ba: 0.01 RBC: 2.54 Hgb: 3.3 PCV: 10.5 down arrow MCV: 41.5 MCH: 13 MCHC: 31.4 Platelets: 42.000 down BUN: 33 Creat: 0.8 Phos: 3.9 ALT: 35 Alkp: 22 Tbili: 2.9 up Glu 83 Amyl: 2444 up TP: 9.1 up Alb: 1.5 down Glob: 7.6 up Chol: 144 Ca: 7.4 down Ck: 266 up Na: 148 K 3.1 down Cl 126 So, according to her the problem with the beg legs is not CRF but the tissues themselves (FIV probably) The man who is doing ultrasound is on vacation. Keep you in touch Stan The result from the From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: JerseyDate: Thu, 26 May 2005 14:55:03 -0400Stan, maybe I missed this info in your first email, but how long has he been this way? Has he always had a weakness in his back legs, or did this just come on recently? You said he is only 2 years old, right? There are, of course, many different things that can cause it, from brain damage, to a spinal cord injury, even severe anemia could lead to weakness that may show up only in the rear legs (it's a possibility, and one I'm thinking my newest rescue has). I would get a second opinion from a different vet clinic, if possible. Try calling around to all your local vets, and ask them on the phone, "Do you have experience treating FELV positive cats aggressively, or do you usually recommend euthanasia for FELV?" That will let you know right away if they are even worth visiting in person! I am worried that in your first email, you said the vet told you he has Kidney damage, and now you are saying the vet is telling you it's somewhere "between" the kidneys? That does not make sense to me. It's either kidney damage, or it's NOT kidney damage. Ask her to clarify herself to you. Have you had the vet do bloodwork, and pull a CBC? If so, can you get the results, and post them here, many of the members here have gotten very good at reading test results, and we would be able to help you more if we had the bloodwork results. I may be mistaken on this one, but I THINK an ultrasound is a better way to look at kidneys than x-rays. I'm not sure why your vet is doing x-rays, unless she is thinking of a possible spinal cord injury? (not the end of the road, in itself, even if that is the case) Are his gums very white, or are they pink? A lot of the people on this list have had their vet give their cats blood transfusions, and they say it makes a LOT of difference right away. You may consider that option.Here is my recipe for force-feeding, but I'm not sure if it is appropriate for cats with Kidney damage:1/4 of a 5 ounce can of cat food (use the prescription kind your vet recommends)1 teaspoon of Nutri-cal (you can buy it from your vet or online here: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3378 )1 to 2 tablespoons unflavored Pedialyte to make it soupy. You can get that at your local grocery store in the baby food section.Warm it just a little in the microwave if you have one, but be sure to stir it and check it with your finger so you don't burn him.You can get oral syringes from your vet, or online at the same place as the Nutri-Cal: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=3393Foster and Smith is a great catalog for this kind of stuff, and they have an option for overnight delivery if you need it fast. I hate to advertise, but this place has always come through for me!Jenn~~~I have bad news form the vet. she said the problem was somewhere between the kidneys. I am confused. Is the leukemia really causing everything or the doctor cannot find the reason?Yesterday he was eating good and looked good. Are the doctors really qualified enough?She offered me euthanasia.I am not going to accept, but I am very confused.What might cause the deficiency in the back legs if not the kidney CRF???StanNo virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.17 - Release Date: 5/25/2005
Re: Jersey
One more questions about Jersey. I think that the common opinion for the blood transfusion is that cats can survive but not long? Should I accept it or not? Thanks, again StanFrom: Barbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: JerseyDate: Thu, 26 May 2005 21:14:37 -0400usually insurance does not cover pre-existing conditions from what I remember of my research of insurance for pets. did the insurance require your cat have a full exam before approval or did the insurance co. just take your money? if you didn't know jersey had leukemia until after you purchased the insurance then it might be covered. you have to read the fine print on those insurance policies. when you say you chose the vet from the list, I'm guessing you mean the insurance co. gave you a list of vets?I'd follow Jen's very good suggestions as to how to quiz a vet on their feelings towards leukemia.good luckbarbara- Original Message - From: stany petrov To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 3:11 PM Subject: Re: Jersey Thanks a lot Barbara. I just chose the vet from the list. I can afford to pay let's say 500- 600. By the way, I have a pet insuarance but it is from a month ago. I don't know if they cover past diseases? Does anybody know about that? I mean, insuarance companies have lots of protection. I am going to talk with another vet probably. He is moving hard, but can walk to the litterbox. I am picking him today and keep feeding him with the baby food... Stan From: Barbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Jersey Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 14:51:52 -0400 sorry. I have no experience with CRF or Jersey's problem of weak back legs. what do the cat owners on the CRF say? has anyone there offered any helpful info or suggestions? Have you asked your vet for referral to a specialist(if you can afford the vet fees?)---don't be worried about hurting your vet's feelings in asking to discuss Jersey with another vet. has anyone on the CRF list recommended a vet in your area? why did the vet suggest euthanasia? It has been discussed on this list before I believe--the reasons for considering being a beloved pet to sleep. hopefully someone else can post them for you--i just gotback from a platelets donation so kinda tired. also many of us have our own personal criteria for judging when an animal is no longer enjoying life. frankly if your cat is eating, I would consider that a good sign. is he getting nutrients from the food--when my dog had cancer, her bowel movements were proof her food was not being digested properly adding to her weakened condition. is Jersey able to have movements? is he able to get around on his own at all?someone on the CRF group should be able to recommend a form of phosphorus for your cat. A cat testing postive for feline leukemia is not reason enough to put to sleep an animal though sadly many vets still feel that because their training has been that the pet will die anyway sooner or later. Not knowing why you selected this particular vet I can offer no answer if the vet is qualified. was the vet recommended to you?is there perhaps a veterinary school in your state?can you ask your vet to explain better what she means by the problem is somewhere between the kidneys? perhaps there might be some info on the www.holisticat.com website. I believe the founder of the site-her cat was crf also. there is an archive you can look through--and also a mailing list to join if you so desire to ask questions and for help. good luck. remember to enjoy your time with Jersey and not worry yourself all the time so that you lose what time you have with him. I know it's easier said than done but allow yourself time to just love your pet. barbara - Original Message - From: stany petrov To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 12:57 PM Subject: Re: JerseyI have bad news form the vet. she said the problem was somewhere beteen the kidneys. I am confused. Is the leukimia really causing everything or the doctor cannot find the reason? Yestereday he was eating good and looked good. Are the doctors really qualified enough? She offered me euthanesia. I am not going to accept, but I am very confused. What might cause the deficiency in the back legs if not the kidney CRF??? Stan
Re: Digby has passed ....
I am very sorry about Digby... Hopefully and hopefully, the new century will give us the treatment for cancer !!! Stan
Re: Jersey
Barbara, I have Jersey from the semi- beginning when he was a baby. I just learned him to walk outside and get home. I lived in Brooklyn for 1 and a halfyears before I moved to Ohio. Here, he was fine till late January when he started sneezing and one of his eyes got red. The temp. was high. I took him toa vet (another one) twice. He put some shots and gave him antibiotics. Jersey got better but not exactly as before. The temp. was about 102.4- 102.5 and I let him out again. He likes hiking and if I lock the cat door he is starting to meow and scratch and tear the things around him. So, that was in March. And finally in late April, early May he started going outside and stay home which is not a good indicator for him. Finally he started loosing weight and walking hard with his back legs. I will stop visiting this vet and try to feed him more but...I hardly think he will survive. His kidneys are a little bit arger than the normal and he has the symptom of the Polysyst Kidney disease- drinking lots of water and loosing weight and appetite. I am confused. He cannot move at all already (just for a week, unbelievable). Thanks again StanFrom: Barbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: JerseyDate: Sat, 28 May 2005 09:58:42 -0400just a thought, i give one of my cats (who is negative for leuekmia)postassium citrate to ward off any more bouts of his oxalate crystals. theother cats get MegaC plus but that's not advised for oxalate. I buy it incapsule form and fortunately this cat, Puff, loves those Pill Pockets i getat the pet store so can just hide the pill in that. the other cats' meds Ijust open the capsules and mix in their wet food very very thoroughly.what are some natural sources of potassium besides bananas? and would a cateven eat a banana or is it even good for them?another thought, how long has jersey been in your care? did you tell the vethis past history-outdoor cat, possible exposure to raccoons, etc? when yougot him, was he able to walk/run around? or was he already slowing down?what is that disease raccoons supposedly transmit that the vets advisegetting vaccinations for? if it affects dogs, does it also pertain to cats?Is this cat even getting up to use the litter box?sorry Jersey's legs are not improving.regardsBarbara- Original Message -From: "Belinda Sauro" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 12:34 AMSubject: Re: Jersey Hi Stan, Jersey's potassium is low, he needs some potassium, your vet should have told you that, I'm sorry but as long as your seeing this vet Jersey is in serious trouble.
jersey
I think I will put Jersey to sleep tomorrow. It is not fair to leave an outdoor cat suffer and not be able to walk. I think not the leukimia but the kidney progressive failure is killing him. His voice is already very weak... If anybody needs the Interferon I already have I might send it (plus some glavamox) I hope the place where he goes is full with cats andjoy... Stan
meet_Jersey
Hi all again, I just forgot that 2 months ago I put a picture of Jersey in a photography contest online. You can see him here: http://www.usa101.com/en/usaodav/pv_photo.php?entry_id=7508 Stan ---BeginMessage--- Tracy, I will definitely make Jersey an indoor cat because he has FeLV+ and I care for the cats as a whole. To be honest, it is hard to get a professional vet without recs. The hospital I took Jersey was professional but they are very pessimistic and expensive also (I already paid there 400 for 2visits). Once Iget him successfuly on his back legs I will start looking for a professional in the FeLV. My zip codeis 43607 (Toledo,OH, Detroit, MI).So, if anybody knows a qualified vetin radius 100- 150miles, plase let me know. thanks again for the non- stopping assistance. StanFrom: "Weese, Tracy" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Jersey_questionDate: Sun, 29 May 2005 20:47:43 -0400I don't know how long this will take, but I have been reading your messages about Jersey and am hoping that he can recover.I do feel strongly that you should consider making in an indoor only cat considering his FeLV+ status and now this issue with his legs.I know people think this will be so hard on the cat, but I have taken several cats of various ages from farms and alleys and they have done just fine.It will be an adjustment at first.Maybe you have already done this and I'm just reading the messages which talk about when he was living in NYC.In any event.I hope he does get better. 2 cans of baby food is a lot more than many folks can get into their sick cats.And do try to find a vet that is a little more aggressive.Once you make it clear that you are not going to PTS just bec. a cat is FeLV+, then often the vet will get on board.Too often people just give up and so vets never really have to treat a FeLV+ cat beyond diagnosis.Tracy- Original Message -From: stany petrovTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: 5/29/2005 8:31:31 PMSubject: Re: Jersey_questionhi again,One question for the weak back legs?How long does it usually takes to make the cat use his/ her back legs again?2- 3 days, week, 10 days?thanks in advanceStan ---End Message---
Re: Sam is lost - add to Candlelight Service
Gloria, I read about lost pets once Jersey didn't show up almost 3 days. 1. Cats are getting accustomed to their homes. I have read about cats that crossed 100- 150 km to get back to their first house. So, how far the house of the old lady is from the foster home? Cats have perfect intuition and it is possible that he might get back there. 2. If the cat had a favoutite toy take that toy and make a noise with it when searching. 3. On the flyers put a reward but do not specify the amount. 4. It is possible that somebody is feeding that pet. Ask for people in the neighbourhood that have cats, dogs or love to take care of animals. Jersey had some fans in our neighbourhod that fed him from time to time. 5. Cats might hide in all kinds of unexpected places. Search everywhere- even look beneath the cars, garbage containers (there is food there), etc. 6. Presumably, being an inside cat he is not far away from the foster home. It is very important to let me know what is the physical distance b/n the lady's house and the foster home. 7. To make sure he is alive, call the DMV or the MVB. If I cat is hit by car they take it. 8. very important: Once he is hungry he might come back by himself. Tell the people in the foster home to keep an eye at anytime. I beieve this is the most possible outcome. 2-3 days, even a week later he might get home. Ok Keep me in touch...and Good luck. He'll be safe. StanFrom: "Gloria B. Lane" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Sam is lost - add to Candlelight ServiceDate: Mon, 30 May 2005 11:01:52 -0500Thanks to all.Foster mom is only 21, worked at a Vet clinic, nice girl.She was packing to move, I was to pick them up soon.She didn't think he'd go outside (!), as he was upstairs, and propped the door open to move boxes out.Then she didn't tell me for a few days, embarrassed.Yes, I was very upset, told her she should have called ASAP!No, the lady doesn't know.I'm going to tell her son, but we probably won't tell her.She's 70,had knee surgery, and something a bout it (anesthetic) disoriented her mind somewhat - she moved in with a daughter.Probably doesn't need to know.A very mixed neighborhood - rentals, businesses, homes.People are nice, we've talked to them and passed out flyers.SIgh.GloriaAt 10:27 AM 5/30/2005, you wrote:Gloria,I'm sending calming thoughts to Sam to find his way back to his foster mom.Poor baby, he's been through so much with his human getting sick and then losing his home.His foster mom must be so upset about him getting out too.Did he rush the door, or did she think he'd be okay in the yard?Does the sick older lady know he's disappeared, I hope not.Prayers to Sam.NinaGloria B. Lane wrote:Hi - Belinda would you add Sam to the Candlelight Service, special needs list?Sam is lost.He belonged to an older lady whose family we know.She became sick andI found a foster home.The foster mom accidently let Sam outside last weekend, and he hasn't been seen since.Susan and I've been going over and passing out flyers and looking for him in the neighborhood.Sam is a 17 year old Siamese cat, never been outside before that I know of.Prayers and good thoughts and vibes are appreciated.Thanks -Gloria
Re: Sam is lost - add to Candlelight Service
Gloria, When talking with people just say that he is 17. The breed is expensive and some people might want to make money selling the cat BUT if he is 17 years old they will know that the price will not be high. So, if someone is taking care of him he might prefer to get the reward rather than trying to sell it. Again, I believe that he is going to be back to the lady's house ot the foster home. StanFrom: "Gloria B. Lane" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Sam is lost - add to Candlelight ServiceDate: Mon, 30 May 2005 11:01:52 -0500Thanks to all.Foster mom is only 21, worked at a Vet clinic, nice girl.She was packing to move, I was to pick them up soon.She didn't think he'd go outside (!), as he was upstairs, and propped the door open to move boxes out.Then she didn't tell me for a few days, embarrassed.Yes, I was very upset, told her she should have called ASAP!No, the lady doesn't know.I'm going to tell her son, but we probably won't tell her.She's 70,had knee surgery, and something a bout it (anesthetic) disoriented her mind somewhat - she moved in with a daughter.Probably doesn't need to know.A very mixed neighborhood - rentals, businesses, homes.People are nice, we've talked to them and passed out flyers.SIgh.GloriaAt 10:27 AM 5/30/2005, you wrote:Gloria,I'm sending calming thoughts to Sam to find his way back to his foster mom.Poor baby, he's been through so much with his human getting sick and then losing his home.His foster mom must be so upset about him getting out too.Did he rush the door, or did she think he'd be okay in the yard?Does the sick older lady know he's disappeared, I hope not.Prayers to Sam.NinaGloria B. Lane wrote:Hi - Belinda would you add Sam to the Candlelight Service, special needs list?Sam is lost.He belonged to an older lady whose family we know.She became sick andI found a foster home.The foster mom accidently let Sam outside last weekend, and he hasn't been seen since.Susan and I've been going over and passing out flyers and looking for him in the neighborhood.Sam is a 17 year old Siamese cat, never been outside before that I know of.Prayers and good thoughts and vibes are appreciated.Thanks -Gloria
Re: Sam is lost - add to Candlelight Service
Gloria, I think he is going to be back at the foster home because he has been an inside cat all his life and he will be afraid to hike around. Cats are territorial and he is not willing to enter other cat's territory. He can be in radius of half a mile around the foster home. That is suggestion N1. It is possible though to get to the lady's house. 6 miles are not so many for cats. Distrinute flyers at around both places. Talk with people. Does he have an tag ID? Even if he has, make sure you put downthe phone number clearly. Make sure you put a nice clear photo of Sam. if you see kids playing somewhere talk withthem also. They remember such kind of information and they spend a lot of time playingoutside. I am pretty sure he is safe because noone has any benefit of hurting the cat. the point is to find him. don't give up. sometimes cats return to their owners after weeks and months. Good luck and plase be very detailed in the search. Look everywhere. How long has he been missing? How long has he been iving in the foster home? Stan From: "Gloria B. Lane" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Sam is lost - add to Candlelight ServiceDate: Mon, 30 May 2005 13:29:53 -0500Are you saying you think he'll be back at the foster home?GloriaGloria,When talking with people just say that he is 17.The breed is expensive and some people might want to make money selling the cat BUT if he is 17 years old they will know that the price will not be high. So, if someone is taking care of him he might prefer to get the reward rather than trying to sell it.Again, I believe that he is going to be back to the lady's house ot the foster home.StanFrom: "Gloria B. Lane" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Sam is lost - add to Candlelight ServiceDate: Mon, 30 May 2005 11:01:52 -0500Thanks to all.Foster mom is only 21, worked at a Vet clinic, nicegirl.She was packing to move, I was to pick them up soon.Shedidn't think he'd go outside (!), as he was upstairs, and proppedthe door open to move boxes out.Then she didn't tell me for a fewdays, embarrassed.Yes, I was very upset, told her she should havecalled ASAP!No, the lady doesn't know.I'm going to tell her son, but weprobably won't tell her.She's 70,had knee surgery, and somethinga bout it (anesthetic) disoriented her mind somewhat - she moved inwith a daughter.Probably doesn't need to know.A very mixed neighborhood - rentals, businesses, homes.People arenice, we've talked to them and passed out flyers.SIgh.GloriaAt 10:27 AM 5/30/2005, you wrote:Gloria,I'm sending calming thoughts to Sam to find his way back to hisfoster mom.Poor baby, he's been through so much with his humangetting sick and then losing his home.His foster mom must be soupset about him getting out too.Did he rush the door, or did shethink he'd be okay in the yard?Does the sick older lady know he'sdisappeared, I hope not.Prayers to Sam.NinaGloria B. Lane wrote:Hi - Belinda would you add Sam to the Candlelight Service, specialneeds list?Sam is lost.He belonged to an older lady whosefamily we know.She became sick andI found a foster home.The foster mom accidently let Sam outside last weekend, and hehasn't been seen since.Susan and I've been going over andpassing out flyers and looking for him in the neighborhood.Sam is a 17 year old Siamese cat, never been outside before that Iknow of.Prayers and good thoughts and vibes are appreciated.Thanks -Gloria
Re: Sam is lost - add to Candlelight Service
Gloria, I don't know how your schedule is. Can you try to take someone and search together around the building of the foster house- basemet, etc. One week is not a long time but since he was not back, it means that he is getting food and waterfrom somewhere. Some people leave food in front of their houses for any wild animals they feed. Are there houses around the foster home, just go and talk with people. Good luck again and don't give up. I wish I hadyour problem instead the one I have right now with Jersey. StanFrom: "Gloria B. Lane" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Sam is lost - add to Candlelight ServiceDate: Mon, 30 May 2005 14:00:42 -0500Thanks, Stan - he's been missing a week.He's been in the foster home since early March.We've been over there are a few hours every day.GloriaGloria,I think he is going to be back at the foster home because he has been an inside cat all his life and he will be afraid to hike around. Cats are territorial and he is not willing to enter other cat's territory. He can be in radius of half a mile around the foster home. That is suggestion N1.It is possible though to get to the lady's house. 6 miles are not so many for cats.Distrinute flyers at around both places. Talk with people.Does he have an tag ID?Even if he has, make sure you put down the phone number clearly. Make sure you put a nice clear photo of Sam.if you see kids playing somewhere talk withthem also. They remember such kind of information and they spend a lot of time playing outside.I am pretty sure he is safe because noone has any benefit of hurting the cat. the point is to find him. don't give up. sometimes cats return to their owners after weeks and months.Good luck and plase be very detailed in the search. Look everywhere.How long has he been missing?How long has he been iving in the foster home?StanFrom: "Gloria B. Lane" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Sam is lost - add to Candlelight ServiceDate: Mon, 30 May 2005 13:29:53 -0500Are you saying you think he'll be back at the foster home?GloriaGloria,When talking with people just say that he is 17.The breed is expensive and some people might want to make moneyselling the cat BUT if he is 17 years old they will know that theprice will not be high. So, if someone is taking care of him hemight prefer to get the reward rather than trying to sell it.Again, I believe that he is going to be back to the lady's house otthe foster home.StanFrom: "Gloria B. Lane" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Sam is lost - add to Candlelight ServiceDate: Mon, 30 May 2005 11:01:52 -0500Thanks to all.Foster mom is only 21, worked at a Vet clinic,nicegirl.She was packing to move, I was to pick them up soon.Shedidn't think he'd go outside (!), as he was upstairs, and proppedthe door open to move boxes out.Then she didn't tell me for afewdays, embarrassed.Yes, I was very upset, told her she shouldhavecalled ASAP!No, the lady doesn't know.I'm going to tell her son, but weprobably won't tell her.She's 70,had knee surgery, andsomethinga bout it (anesthetic) disoriented her mind somewhat - she movedinwith a daughter.Probably doesn't need to know.A very mixed neighborhood - rentals, businesses, homes.Peoplearenice, we've talked to them and passed out flyers.SIgh.GloriaAt 10:27 AM 5/30/2005, you wrote:Gloria,I'm sending calming thoughts to Sam to find his way back to hisfoster mom.Poor baby, he's been through so much with his humangetting sick and then losing his home.His foster mom must be soupset about him getting out too.Did he rush the door, or didshethink he'd be okay in the yard?Does the sick older lady knowhe'sdisappeared, I hope not.Prayers to Sam.NinaGloria B. Lane wrote:Hi - Belinda would you add Sam to the Candlelight Service,specialneeds list?Sam is lost.He belonged to an older lady whosefamily we know.She became sick andI found a foster home.The foster mom accidently let Sam outside last weekend, and hehasn't been seen since.Susan and I've been going over andpassing out flyers and looking for him in the neighborhood.Sam is a 17 year old Siamese cat, never been outside before thatIknow of.Prayers and good thoughts and vibes are appreciated.Thanks -Gloria
Jersey.....
I am very sorry to tell you that Jersey died today- 11am. He was very sick the last two days. I was going to take him today to the vet clinic Bonnie reccomended me but it was late... I think the kidney problems and not the leukimia is the cause of his death. He was crying like a baby when I touched him. He didn't want any food and just a little bit water. He was also very anemic. I found the strength to bury him in a very nice place in my area. So, please put him in the Candle Light Service (May 2003- June 1-2005) I wish to thank you again for all advices and help. I am going to read the letters in this forum because I might find a way to help you or find out something I have to know for my future pets. I strongly believe that a personal expericene might be much more valuable than pure theoretical knowledge. That is why I like this forum and for 10 days I lerant many many new things for the cats. I don't believe in the death and I think the place pets are going after it is still a nice one. On the other hand,though I believe that we have to fight for theirlife till the semi- end. (I know Belinda will agree with me 100%). And not the vets but God knows how longour pets will live. I really wish that XXI century will bring the medication against cancer. It will come from herbs maybe...as a famous fortuntellerVanga used to say. By the way, I have some Interferon left, some predinsoline and glavamox left. I will keep the medications and if anybody needs them, you are welcome to write me. If anybody is passing by Toledo, OH, can pick them. See you later, StanFrom: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: JerseyDate: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:40:48 -0700Hi Stan, Haven't seen any posts recently and just wanted to check in on Jersey and you, how are you both doing?--BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com(affordable hosting web design)http://HostDesign4U.com---BMK Designs (non-profit web sites)http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Tad's Sammy
Tad, I am very sorry about Sammy! I don't know who wrote the Rainbow Bridge but it isso warm...and real! StanFrom: Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Tad's SammyDate: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 14:21:40 -0400Thank you all for the kind words about Sammy...Sammy did have a full life and an interesting story...He originally came to me as SD named after theSuffuc Downs horse race track near Boston MA.where he came from...When feeding the ferals therethere was one cat that came up to be patted andpicked up...They decided to rescue him and whenthey brought a carrier for him he walked in himself...They brought him to the vet for a check up..FeLV+...But he was such a good boy they decided to tryone time on the internet...I had spent some timein that area years ago so I wrote back and said Iwould take him...His teeth were all rotten and he had to be neuteredbefore I could bring him home but from the very1st moment that I saw him he was my cat..He joinedthe others in my FeLV room with no problem at alland he always slept by my head at night...He liked to sit in the window and watch outside...He would have liked to go outside againButone day soon after I gothim it was snowingand he jumped in the window and took one lookand jumped back down...He knew what snow wasand didn't want to be outside that dayA while later I got a call from the rescue person thatI had gotten him from and they found a worker at thetrack that had asked about him...It seems there wasan old woman that had lived in one of the horse barnsand his name was Sammy and he had lived with the oldwoman but she had cancer and had passed away...The man was happy that Sammy had a good homebecause he knew him from before.Sammy was old and I feed him special food which heate well but never put on much weight and he hadarthritis but he never showed any sign of anythingunusual until Saturday night when he didn't finish his foodthe way he usually did and was shacking his head...I thought it might be one of his remaining teeth...Then on Sunday he just looked at his food but wouldn'teat...An hour later I found him with blood coming outof his mouthThe vet said to watch him and put me onfor early appointment for Monday morning.Mondaymorning he couldn't close his mouth with a huge swellingunder his tongue...The vet said it was most likely a cancer tumor with aburst blood vessel and the whole lower jaw was involved...He would have had to remove the lower jaw to get ridof it and because of his age he probably wouldn't havemade itHe was in pain and the only humain thing todo was to help him on to the Rainbow BridgeIt all happened so quickly that I was just studded by it alland I miss my old friend but perhaps I will get to see himagainIf you would add his name to the CLS list that would be nice..Tad
suggestion
Hi all, Thanks for your warm emails for Jersey. I am going to print all of them on one page, put it in a plastic folder and attach iton the tree next tohis grave inside the forest. This will also help me torecognise the place in the winter. I read the Rainbow Bridge poem that Barbara sent me and try to believe this is a true. I am also waiting for a message from Jersey about a new cat... Imiss him a lot. As a typical British Shorthair he used to come to the door every time I entered and I feel awful now. My big lesson from that case and the last emails about Sebastian is that not all vets are experienced as I thought before. Some of them are and some are not. I don't know how many people are in the forum but hopefully we cover half of the states. We might make a list with the qualified vets for each state based onpersonalexperience. In case somebody needs a FeLV vet the name can be pulled from the record. It is helpful because not everybody is available at anytime but the list can be online 24/7. This is just a suggestion. I will stay in the forum and try to help if I can. Stan
CONGRATULATIONS
Hi Gloria, Lucky you! Be careful now with Sam. Stan From: "Gloria B. Lane" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Sam is FOUND!Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 09:02:45 -0500He was scared, looked great (I have no idea what he's been doing - would love to though).He was obviously scared when out there, but is fine now. A little hissy but in GREAT SHAPE!Wow.I'm gonna break out the Fancy Feast.GloriaAt 05:23 AM 6/5/2005, you wrote:Gloria,I am so glad for you, these are the kind of happy ending I love to hear about. Keep us posted, how did he look and how is he today?CherieKerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:That is just the best news, Gloria. I'm thrilled for you and the littlescamp. Well done for all your efforts, which truly paid off! Thanks forletting us know tonight--esp. as you must be emotionally as well asphysically exhausted! (But boy, you'll sleep well tonight.)hugs to you and Sam, Kerry- Original Message -From: "Gloria B. Lane"To:Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 11:09 PMSubject: RE: Sam is FOUND! Just want everybody to know that we FOUND SAM! Someone called me at 9:30 or so this morning, saying that she'd seen our poster in the mini-mart, and saw a cat like Sam's description at her house. I went right over, and there was Sam under her van in thedriveway. Wow! I couldn't squeeze under the van, but stretched out and gave Sam someFancy Feast. I had to slide out at bit and at some point Sam got scared and ran into the back yard. We attracted some of the neighborhood kids, too. Long story short, he jumped over a fence, went under a vacant house, where there was a live possum and an armadillo, so pretty soon he was outa there - I was glad! Headed for the next house and under it. By that time,Susan made it over to where it was all happening. Fortunately, the house he was under had only one opening, and had a pretty neat large crawl space. He kept hiding behind the big air conditioning stuff and we couldn't get to him. Susan - in spite of spiders, dirt and claustrophobia - crawled under and set a couple of traps laced with cat food, mackerel, salmon juice, and a cup of milk. We sat in the driveway just about all day, except for a 2 hour break, checking under the house and eating junk food. About 9:15 or so tonight, Sam just walked up to the access door. Susan said, he's right there! We talked to him and I reached my hand in and petted him, I think he remembered me - nd pretty soon grabbed him. He tried to get away, and Susan scruffed him and got him to the car and WEGOT OUR SAM BACK - YEAA! He was doing the Siamese meow-meow all the way home, and it was great to hear! Thanks to you all for all your wonderful help!! Gloria-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gloria B. LaneSent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 10:55 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Sam is lost - add to Candlelight ServiceHi - Belinda would you add Sam to the Candlelight Service, specialneeds list? Sam is lost. He belonged to an older lady whose familywe know. She became sick and I found a foster home.The foster mom accidently let Sam outside last weekend, and he hasn'tbeen seen since. Susan and I've been going over and passing outflyers and looking for him in the neighborhood.Sam is a 17 year old Siamese cat, never been outside before that Iknow of. Prayers and good thoughts and vibes are appreciated.Thanks -GloriaThis email and any files transmitted with it are confidential andintended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they areaddressed. If you have received this email in error please notify thesystem manager. This message contains confidential information and isintended only for the individual named. If you are not the namedaddressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.__ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Have a purrfect dayCherie
Re: suggestion
You are right Barbara, this is importnat too. Some of them are just trying to make money. There is one in Toledo that attracts people by the low call fee- 7.50 $ and then is quickly examining the pet and prescribing medications. He just did't pay attention I was there with Jersey (the exam probably was 3-4 min). Good idea StanFrom: Barbara Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: suggestionDate: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:13:07 -0400I might also suggest -how to put this?--a warning about vets who claim to be alternative medical vets/holistic etc.there's a vet operating out of the Animal Wellness center here on Long Island who is not very good -in fact, was brought to the area by a pet store around the corner from him to administer to all the sickly puppies they sell from puppy mills. Before I realized this guy's scam,I once tried to tell a young couple in his waiting room who had just bought a puppy that their new purchase had kennel cough and mange!the receptionist started shaking her head at me and went to talk to the vet. when it was my turn to go into waitiing room with a sick kitty, he proceeded to lecture me on how "we" are not there to lecture people on their choices of pets but to help cure them. I argued that they had just bought the darn thing and should go get another. he did proscribe all sorts of holistic meds for a felv+ kitten I had but did not explain the proper way to administer them -that I later learned from reading on holisticat site---and pushed a raw diet but not a word about proper necessary supplements. after three different visits and witnessing many other such incidents with the puppies from the pet store, i realized this was not a good vet. surehis office bulletin board has glowing testimonials from some patients however the whole picture just did not add up.barbara - Original Message - From: Barb Moermond To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 12:10 AM Subject: Re: suggestion http://www.bemikitties.com/felv/cgi-bin/suite/classifieds/classifieds.cgi?request=display_subcategory_id=113website=defaultsession=42a1277e1ec09d81 This is a link to FELV/FIV friendly vets and you can add to it - you have to register, but it's free and it's on Belinda's site.They are listed by state or all in a group.I listed my vet clinic (Cat Care Clinic in Madison WI). stany petrov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Thanks for your warm emails for Jersey. I am going to print all of them on one page, put it in a plastic folder and attach it on the tree next to his grave inside the forest. This will also help me to recognise the place in the winter. I read the Rainbow Bridge poem that Barbara sent me and try to believe this is a true. I am also waiting for a message from Jersey about a new cat... I miss him a lot. As a typical British Shorthair he used to come to the door every time I entered and I feel awful now. My big lesson from that case and the last emails about Sebastian is that not all vets are experienced as I thought before. Some of them are and some are not. I don't know how many people are in the forum but hopefully we cover half of the states. We might make a list with the qualified vets for each state based on personal experience. In case somebody needs a FeLV vet the name can be pulled from the record. It is helpful because not everybody is available at anytime but the list can be online 24/7. This is just a suggestion. I will stay in the forum and try to help if I can. Stan Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito "My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Sam is FOUND!
Gloria, I am just interested how far the house of the lady was from the foster home? Did he pass any major roads or just small streets? It will be helpful for the future. Thanks and enjoy your time with Sam. You deserve it... Stan
Re: Sam is FOUND!
You have a good intuition, Gloria.
Just keep us in touch with thestory you are going to write.
Have a nice time together
StanFrom: "Gloria B. Lane" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Sam is FOUND!Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 22:43:41 -0500He apparently had been one block or 2 west of the foster home, then someone tried to catch him and he ran east.So when we found him, he was, 2 blocks east of the foster home, roughly, and across a major road ("Main Street" in North Little Rock - occasional heavy traffic, not always).We just didn't expect him to cross that "Main Street", so hadn't put out flyers in homes over there, just at the Mini Mart!GloriaAt 03:50 PM 6/5/2005, you wrote:Gloria,I am just
interested how far the house of the lady was from the foster home?Did he pass any major roads or just small streets?It will be helpful for the future.Thanks and enjoy your time with Sam. You deserve it...Stan
Re: picture of Bones (OT)
Very sweet cat... Stan
RE: OT - 2 things
1-st thing I think there are lots of reasons for the urinating. From my personal experience, I know that cats use to do this if they don't like some recent changes you had made in the house. Jersey used to urinate onto my bed. This was when my ex-roomate moved and he liked her. If you have started packing the staff for the new house , that is possible. Cats have good intuition. 2- nd thing. I ave missed this discussion. Is it possible to adopt tha cats that are endangered? StanFrom: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: OT - 2 thingsDate: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:11:35 -0700 (PDT)Hi all,I have a question some of you might have some advice on.Some of my cats are continually urinating in inappopriate places.They are not spraying, but they will go in 2 different corners of my bedroom and my sofa!:(I now put down puppy pads on top of the carpet in my bedroom and fold an old towel on the top.I have to change these every day.Also, if I leave clothes or a rug on the floor they will go on those as well.I keep my sofa covered with a waterproof mattress cover and put a sheet on top of that.It too, has to be changed almost daily!Two of my cats, sneaker and popeye, have always gone in the bedroom, but now my positive, DD is doing it too.What is really weird is that when I change the pads, towels, sheet, whatever to clean ones, she will go and lay in that spot.Then she'll turn around and pee in the same place she was previously laying.It's like she can't wait for me to put fresh linen down to go lay there and then later pee on it.My bed has been doused a couple of times even.Any suggestions?I am moving at the end of July into a new house and I'd really like to stop this behavior with the move. I'm also getting a new sofa. Any ideas?One thing I think I will do is put feliway diffusers in every room of the new house before I move the cats over.Someone recently posted somewhere to get them very cheaply.Could you repost that info?I have tried these in the past witihout much success, but I'm hoping with a new place and really overloading the house with them it will help.All the cats are healthy, and have had bloodwork, urinalysis etcIn fact I have another cat with a urinary infection right now and he doesn't do this.Secondly,I know it went around on the lists about PETA killing the animals in North Carolina.I received a new email that stated that peta took the animals from shelters who still use gas chambers for euthanasia.They stated that they could not find homes for all the animals from these rural shelters, but they thought it was better for them to be humanely euthanized rather than gas.Being from Georgia, where some shelters still gas, I know this is true.The letter also stated that peta had given some of these shelters thousands of dollars to improve their facilities as well.So that's their side of the story.The truth may be somewhere in the middle.But I know if I could get the animals from the gas chamber shelters here and euthanize them humanely I would.tonya
Re: Spanky - CLS
I am very sorry about Spanky. I believe in the Rainbow Bridge and hope he is going to feel good over there. Stan
medications_available
Hi all, A month ago I told you that I have some medicines left from Jersey (he crossed the Rainbow Bridge June 1-st) Plase, if somebody needs them, just give me an address and I will mail them to you. I have: Glavamox 62.5 mg - 4 tablets Prednisolne - 5 mg. - 7 tablets Cyproheptadine - 4mg - 2 and a hals tablets I also have an Interferon Alpha about 8ml. which I keep in the refrigerator. I don't know if it is not going to be damaged if I mail it because of the temperature (somebody with more experience can tell). Please, take those medications. I don't want anything for them. Hopefully, they can help any other kitten. Stan
RE: Adri is dead
I am sorry. I am sure he loves you and he will wait for you on the Rainbow Bridge... Stan ---BeginMessage--- Thank you all for your words. I am feeling very bad. I still have chema, he is also FeLV(+) (I adopted Adri and Chema at the same time, i didn't know they had FeLV). Chema has been pretty heathly. I really hope he will be heathly for looong time. it is heartbreaking see chema looking for Adri From: "Terri Brown" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Help for AdriDate: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 18:57:26 -0400Don't punish yourself over this. It isn't your fault. I understand why you feel that way though. my husband said the same thing after we lost our fourth FeLV+ cat, Alec. It just got too painful.Keep your chin up.Terri B in NJ - Original Message - From: Martha Alejandra Morenomailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 5:03 PM Subject: Re: Help for Adri I feel horrible. They are my first pet ever. I do not want to have a FeLV(+) cat never again. This is to hard to live again From: "Terri Brown" [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Help for Adri Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 16:54:01 -0400 Uh-oh Sounds like she's got anemia. Has she been tested for hemobartinella? If she has and is not infected, the vet may (unfortunately) be correct..I've lost 3 due to severe anemia. It's devastating, I know. Positive vibes and hugs coming your way. =^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/ My FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/http://pagesivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/ My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: Chrismailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 4:49 PM Subject: Help for AdriI'm not really experienced enough to give you specifics. I know there are other people on this list who are and perhaps they can give you some suggestions. I know that getting her to drink is real important so anything you can do to get her to take some water. also, try to feed her anything at all-water from a can of tuna, baby food (without onions), turkey breast, yogurt, cottage cheese, absolutely anything that you think she might try. Did the vet see her? What did he say was going on with her? I know that sometimes they want to run a lot of tests but he should have been able to give you a better idea of what's going on with Adri.. Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martha Alejandra Moreno Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 4:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: re: She is very pale, she does not want to eat, to drink, to walk, she barely moves; (she never meauw) but since today when she try to walk and fall she start to make a very sad noise it is not a normal meaw is loud and different I do not how to decribe it ---End Message---
leaving_for_2weeks
Hello all, Nevertheless I don't write too much since Jersey left me, I am reading most of the posting in the forum. After a lot of thinking I took a decision. I have been doing photographs for more than 5 years and soon I think tostart doingfreelance photography. One of my themes is taking photographs of wild and domestic animals. The decision which I took is: I am going to dedicate all my animal picures to Jersey. If I get any money award from a competition byexibiting myanimal shots I am going to donate 100 % the money for FeLV research studies. I think somebody in Ohio State is studying FeLV and I am sure there are other labs in the country. That helps me feel better... From Friday I am going to take a 2 week break and I'll go to Baltimore, MD. Belinda, can you please send me the link for temporary unsubscrbing. Thank you. See you later Stan
