Re: [Felvtalk] Mouth ulcer
I've used it for mouth ulcers and mouth problems in cats , but it's been a while.. Worked pretty well as I recall. Gloria - Original Message - From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mouth ulcer Lisa, didn't the vet Rx anything for the mouth ulcer. Sucralfate is commonly Rx'd for stomach ulcers in cats. I'm guessing it would also work for mouth ulcers. Here is a link to more info http://www.marvistavet.com/html/sucralfate.html Other issues you need to address are nausea and pain. 2.5 mg/day of Original Strength Pepcid AC will help with stomach acid but Tommy may need something stronger for nausea. Buprenorphine is a very effective and safe pain med. Do not let the vet Rx Metacam. Here is a link to more info on the pain med. http://www.marvistavet.com/html/buprenorphine.html One way or the other you need to get food into Tommy. You may need to syringe feed him for a few days until he starts to feel better. You risk Tommy getting feline Hepatic Lipidosis if he continues to not eat. You really don't want to add to his problems right now. If Tommy is going to have a longer term problem eating you may want to try an e-tube. It really isn't as scary as it sounds and feeding tubes have saved thousands of kitties. It's not like a feeding tube in a person. There is a great Yahoo Assist Feeding group that can help you with the assist feeding. Here is the link to the FAF group. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/ Hugs to Tommy Sharyl --- On Thu, 4/29/10, Lisa Borden tuckerandtes...@zoominternet.net wrote: From: Lisa Borden tuckerandtes...@zoominternet.net Subject: [Felvtalk] Mouth ulcer To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 9:27 AM It's been challenging trying to figure out what was wrong with Tommy's mouth. A couple months back, I wrote to this group about Tommy, my FeLV+ boy, batting at his mouth. At first we thought he might have a bad tooth, but all of his teeth look okay. Yesterday, he went to see his holistic vet again because he's been losing weight. He has lost about a pound since January and I was getting concerned. It seems that he has an ulcer on the roof of his mouth. How we all missed it (his holistic vet, the dental specialist, and I) is beyond me. But at least we know it's there now. Tommy seems like he WANTS to eat, but is afraid to because it will hurt him. He walks to the food bowl, smells it, and walks away. We are waiting on blood work results to rule out kidney issues, etc. Just was wondering if anyone has any experience with such an ulcer, and any suggestions for treating it and getting him to eat. He's only 1 1/2 years old, and was doing SO very well up until January. Thank you, Lisa ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Clean-up/Dealing with Virus afterwards?
I do nothing special to clean, just normal stuff like for any of my cats. Gloria - Original Message - From: Joe Reil redshar...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 2:22 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Clean-up/Dealing with Virus afterwards? Hi all, I had a message earlier this month about the cat we lost to FELV, Stitch. She'd been positive for several years and was the only cat we had. We're not anywhere near ready emotionally to get another cat yet, and probably won't be for at least a few months, but I do know we will at some point so I'd like to see if there's anything special or particular we should be doing now to make sure there aren't any live remnants of the virus around when we do? Thanks, Joe ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Head injury caused eye not to dilate
I may haev mentioned, we've seen this a few times in FIV and FELV cats. I had an older FIV cat with high blood pressure who had uneven pupils. Gloria Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote : I believe that tumors, high blood pressure and toxoplasmosis can also cause uneven pupils or similar occular irregularities. On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Lorrie lt;felineres...@kvinet.comgt; wrote: gt; Giselle, In my previous e-mail I neglected to mention this cat gt; I rescued had an injury to his head just above the eye that won't gt; dilate and the vet said most likely this caused him to go blind gt; in that eye. gt; gt; Lorrie gt; gt; On 04-15, Giselle de Grandis wrote: gt; gt; Karen, thanks for your reply. I'm not aware of any head injury but gt; gt; that doesn't mean it couldn't have happened when I wasn't around. gt; gt; Pixie is a little monkey and we have very steep stairs. The prospect gt; gt; of a head injury or a slight stroke causing the unresponsive pupil gt; gt; upsetting but needs to be dealt with, I guess. I wonder what my vet gt; gt; can/should/will do for her since the general approach to medicine is gt; gt; (human and animal) in the Netherlands, where I live, is quot;wait and gt; gt; seequot;. She's not on any meds and eats a tiny cube of tuna for cats gt; gt; mixed with L-lysine and a drop of fish oil each gt; gt; grain-free dry food for the rest of the day. gt; gt; gt; gt; Giselle gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; Message: 20 gt; gt; gt; Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 07:24:41 -0400 gt; gt; gt; From: quot;Karen Griffithquot; lt;griff...@frognet.netgt; gt; gt; gt; Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] One eye won't dilate gt; gt; gt; To: lt;felvtalk@felineleukemia.orggt; morning. She grazes on gt; gt; gt; Message-ID: lt;e652fa59b4dc4ddda9eba401f4fdd...@karenaxjwddhojgt; gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; ? ? ? ?reply-type=original gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; Giselle, gt; gt; gt; Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=quot;iso-8859-1quot;; gt; gt; gt; You should probably take her in for an exam. ?This could be caused gt; head by a gt; gt; gt; injury from a fall, etc. (i.e.,what could have caused the gt; or head trauma gt; gt; gt; imbalance to cause such a bump), slight stroke, gt; needs to gt; gt; gt; have your vet take a quick look. ?Is she on any meds that could gt; initiate gt; gt; gt; such a response? ?(Very few meds will cause such a reaction.) gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; Hope all turns out O.K. gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; Karen Griffith gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; - Original Message - etc., all of which gt; gt; gt; From: quot;Giselle de Grandisquot; gt; gt; gt; To: lt;felvtalk@felineleukemia.orggt; gt; gt; gt; Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 4:06 AM gt; gt; gt; Subject: [Felvtalk] One eye won't dilate gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; lt;giselle.degran...@gmail.comgt; gt; gt; gt;gt; This morning I noticed something strange about one of Pixie's eyes -- gt; gt; gt;gt; it won't dilate in response to light like the other eye and the pupil gt; gt; gt; gt; gt;gt; gt;gt; stays the size of a fat grain of rice. She's four years old. gt; gt; gt;gt; Does anyone know why this is happening? Does she need to see the gt; gt; gt;gt; My Google searches on this topic yield some scary results. gt; gt; gt;gt; gt; gt; gt;gt; Thanks for your help. gt; gt; gt;gt; gt; gt; gt;gt; Giselle gt; gt; gt; gt; ___ gt; gt; Felvtalk mailing list gt; gt; Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org vet? gt; gt; gt; gt; ___ gt; Felvtalk mailing list gt; Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org gt; http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org gt; ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Head injury caused eye not to dilate
I may haev mentioned, we've seen this a few times in FIV and FELV cats. I had an older FIV cat with high blood pressure who had uneven pupils. Gloria Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote : I believe that tumors, high blood pressure and toxoplasmosis can also cause uneven pupils or similar occular irregularities. On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Lorrie lt;felineres...@kvinet.comgt; wrote: gt; Giselle, In my previous e-mail I neglected to mention this cat gt; I rescued had an injury to his head just above the eye that won't gt; dilate and the vet said most likely this caused him to go blind gt; in that eye. gt; gt; Lorrie gt; gt; On 04-15, Giselle de Grandis wrote: gt; gt; Karen, thanks for your reply. I'm not aware of any head injury but gt; gt; that doesn't mean it couldn't have happened when I wasn't around. gt; gt; Pixie is a little monkey and we have very steep stairs. The prospect gt; gt; of a head injury or a slight stroke causing the unresponsive pupil gt; gt; upsetting but needs to be dealt with, I guess. I wonder what my vet gt; gt; can/should/will do for her since the general approach to medicine is gt; gt; (human and animal) in the Netherlands, where I live, is quot;wait and gt; gt; seequot;. She's not on any meds and eats a tiny cube of tuna for cats gt; gt; mixed with L-lysine and a drop of fish oil each gt; gt; grain-free dry food for the rest of the day. gt; gt; gt; gt; Giselle gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; Message: 20 gt; gt; gt; Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 07:24:41 -0400 gt; gt; gt; From: quot;Karen Griffithquot; lt;griff...@frognet.netgt; gt; gt; gt; Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] One eye won't dilate gt; gt; gt; To: lt;felvtalk@felineleukemia.orggt; morning. She grazes on gt; gt; gt; Message-ID: lt;e652fa59b4dc4ddda9eba401f4fdd...@karenaxjwddhojgt; gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; ? ? ? ?reply-type=original gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; Giselle, gt; gt; gt; Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=quot;iso-8859-1quot;; gt; gt; gt; You should probably take her in for an exam. ?This could be caused gt; head by a gt; gt; gt; injury from a fall, etc. (i.e.,what could have caused the gt; or head trauma gt; gt; gt; imbalance to cause such a bump), slight stroke, gt; needs to gt; gt; gt; have your vet take a quick look. ?Is she on any meds that could gt; initiate gt; gt; gt; such a response? ?(Very few meds will cause such a reaction.) gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; Hope all turns out O.K. gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; Karen Griffith gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; - Original Message - etc., all of which gt; gt; gt; From: quot;Giselle de Grandisquot; gt; gt; gt; To: lt;felvtalk@felineleukemia.orggt; gt; gt; gt; Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 4:06 AM gt; gt; gt; Subject: [Felvtalk] One eye won't dilate gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; gt; lt;giselle.degran...@gmail.comgt; gt; gt; gt;gt; This morning I noticed something strange about one of Pixie's eyes -- gt; gt; gt;gt; it won't dilate in response to light like the other eye and the pupil gt; gt; gt; gt; gt;gt; gt;gt; stays the size of a fat grain of rice. She's four years old. gt; gt; gt;gt; Does anyone know why this is happening? Does she need to see the gt; gt; gt;gt; My Google searches on this topic yield some scary results. gt; gt; gt;gt; gt; gt; gt;gt; Thanks for your help. gt; gt; gt;gt; gt; gt; gt;gt; Giselle gt; gt; gt; gt; ___ gt; gt; Felvtalk mailing list gt; gt; Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org vet? gt; gt; gt; gt; ___ gt; Felvtalk mailing list gt; Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org gt; http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org gt; ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Good News - Successful Multi-Cat House!
My friend Ellen has done the same thing, several years ago. One kitten was FELV+, the other not. They retested and nothing had changed. The kitties are now over 3 years old, the FELV cat is on Interferon alpha, and both kitties are doing fine. Yeaa. Gloria Maria Ianiro mian...@gmail.com wrote : I recently had Brady re-tested for felv, 3 1/2 months after we brought our felv+ kitten into the same household. Brady tested negative on the snap test! The vet told us as long as we keep up with his boosters, he should be fine. We will not test again for felv. Brady was 1 year 3 months when he began living with our felv+ kitten. Brady did have a felv vaccination when he was a kitten. They have separate food bowls, but they share everything else. They also like to groom each other (which I try to stop when I see it, but I'm sure they do it when I am not around) I very glad we decided to keep them both together! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Good News - Successful Multi-Cat House!
My friend Ellen has done the same thing, several years ago. One kitten was FELV+, the other not. They retested and nothing had changed. The kitties are now over 3 years old, the FELV cat is on Interferon alpha, and both kitties are doing fine. Yeaa. Gloria Maria Ianiro mian...@gmail.com wrote : I recently had Brady re-tested for felv, 3 1/2 months after we brought our felv+ kitten into the same household. Brady tested negative on the snap test! The vet told us as long as we keep up with his boosters, he should be fine. We will not test again for felv. Brady was 1 year 3 months when he began living with our felv+ kitten. Brady did have a felv vaccination when he was a kitten. They have separate food bowls, but they share everything else. They also like to groom each other (which I try to stop when I see it, but I'm sure they do it when I am not around) I very glad we decided to keep them both together! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Shots for Felv/Re Testing for Non Felv Cat
Sorry, didn't see your message till today. I've had 10 or 15 FELV cats over the last 6 years. I have 5 now. Two of the current cats, Oliver and Chloe, came from a lady in Oklahoma who had to give them up because of family problems. Her vet there vaccinated them regularly against FELV, as a way to deal with the FELV. I'd never heard of that, always believed that was not appropriate. HOWEVER - these are the only FELV cats I've had that live beyond 10 years old. Go figure. had that live beyond 10 years old. Go figure. Anyhow - I also have a friend with 1 FELV and 1 non-FELV cat who are great buddies, had them since they were kittens. She's kept the FELV cat on interferon daily, and they're doing great - now beyond 4 years old, no problems. She's had them tested once or twice - the FELV- cat stays negative. Gloria Christy Buchin cstet...@hotmail.com wrote : We decided to by pass the vaccines for our FeLV cat. We figure his body has been through enough, so we did not want to subject him to the exposure. Our gt; Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:59:20 -0500 gt; From: mian...@gmail.com gt; To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org gt; Subject: [Felvtalk] Shots for Felv/Re Testing for Non Felv Cat gt; gt; Hi everyone gt; gt; gt; My kitten Bernie was diagnosed with Felv about 2 months after we got him gt; home from the shelter. He was on interferon for 45 days, retested, and is Vet agreed with that decision. gt; still positive. When we got him from the gt; set of vaccinations yet. He is now 8 months old. gt; shelter he did not have his second gt; I am taking him to the vet tonight to get the shots. The vet said she would gt; split up the doses so his body could handle them. I think I will go back in gt; 3 weeks and get the rest. I gt; shots and becoming sick. gt; gt; He was symptom free for about 40 days and then he had a bad day where he gt; wouldn't eat. Otherwise, he has been acting like a normal kitten. No more gt; soft stool, good appetite (besides his bad day), good energy. Still give gt; him interferon once a day. gt; am still a little nervous about him getting the gt; Has anyone had an experience with the vaccinations? Is there a good chance gt; he could die gt; it. gt; from the shots? I know he needs them.. but I am nervous about gt; Also, I decided to keep my non Felv cat (Brady) with Bernie. The vet told us gt; to gt; My question is, how often should you have your non Felv Cat tested? I was gt; thinking once a year would be ok? Every 3 1/2 months sounds like too gt; much. gt; gt; Thank you! gt; ___ gt; Felvtalk mailing list gt; Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org gt; http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. get Brady re-tested in 3 1/2 months. He tested negative the first time. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: Litterboxes
I use the Paw POints to buy little too... Gloria Wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Another thing that is a bonus for me is that Fresh Step has Paw Points, and I use those to buy kitty houses, books, kitty playnbsp;sacks, etc.nbsp; I just a new kitty house fornbsp;Ensie and paid about $5 for shipping for it.nbsp; Itnbsp;'cost' about 600nbsp;Paw Points, which I get in about two months (50 Paw Points per box).nbsp; So this is a fun way for me to get stuff since I'm already using the litter. nbsp; Wendynbsp; Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Litterboxes
I use the Paw POints to buy little too... Gloria Wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Another thing that is a bonus for me is that Fresh Step has Paw Points, and I use those to buy kitty houses, books, kitty playnbsp;sacks, etc.nbsp; I just a new kitty house fornbsp;Ensie and paid about $5 for shipping for it.nbsp; Itnbsp;'cost' about 600nbsp;Paw Points, which I get in about two months (50 Paw Points per box).nbsp; So this is a fun way for me to get stuff since I'm already using the litter. nbsp; Wendynbsp; Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Cat on immunoregulin
I'm so sorry to hear about the problems your baby Abu is having. Immunoregulin is supposed to be a good immune system booster. I'm impressed with your vet. If I had a can that was constipated, I'd probably start sub-q fluids, and/or give 1 cc or so of daily lactulose. Have had older cats with that problem, not younger ones though. Gloria Nazleen Rahmat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Hi All, I brought my cat in for an ultrasound yesterday to check on his kidneys and his stomach. Lately, he's not been eating very much and he has been having bad constipation. He's had constipation his whole life - he'll normallly have to run around the house for a while before he'll make a trip to his liter tray to poop. Anyways, the vet found a suspicious looking lump in his small intestine. He thinks it could be lymphoma. He said to not do a biopsy as yet as he would rather treat him to build up his immune system to see if he'll respond to this. The prognosis given on his kidneys is fair, my vet says Abu (that's my sweetheart's name) can live for many years with his kidneys being the way they are. He gave Abu a steroid and immunoregulin injection yesterday and I'm to follow up giving him this twice a week on top of some herbal remedies. He'll also start Abu on Silver Collagen soon. Can anyone help me explain what could be happening? I'm so worried I don't know what to do now. He was eating well yesterday and he's eating today. He's generally still a very happy cat. Thanks Leen and Abu _ Receive MSN Hotmail alerts over SMS! http://en-asiasms.mobile.msn.com/ac.aspx?cid=1002
Re: Cat on immunoregulin
I'm so sorry to hear about the problems your baby Abu is having. Immunoregulin is supposed to be a good immune system booster. I'm impressed with your vet. If I had a can that was constipated, I'd probably start sub-q fluids, and/or give 1 cc or so of daily lactulose. Have had older cats with that problem, not younger ones though. Gloria Nazleen Rahmat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Hi All, I brought my cat in for an ultrasound yesterday to check on his kidneys and his stomach. Lately, he's not been eating very much and he has been having bad constipation. He's had constipation his whole life - he'll normallly have to run around the house for a while before he'll make a trip to his liter tray to poop. Anyways, the vet found a suspicious looking lump in his small intestine. He thinks it could be lymphoma. He said to not do a biopsy as yet as he would rather treat him to build up his immune system to see if he'll respond to this. The prognosis given on his kidneys is fair, my vet says Abu (that's my sweetheart's name) can live for many years with his kidneys being the way they are. He gave Abu a steroid and immunoregulin injection yesterday and I'm to follow up giving him this twice a week on top of some herbal remedies. He'll also start Abu on Silver Collagen soon. Can anyone help me explain what could be happening? I'm so worried I don't know what to do now. He was eating well yesterday and he's eating today. He's generally still a very happy cat. Thanks Leen and Abu _ Receive MSN Hotmail alerts over SMS! http://en-asiasms.mobile.msn.com/ac.aspx?cid=1002
Re: Double Positive in NY (altered F, approx. 1 y/o)
I asusme you're in New York somewhere. There's Tabby's PLace in New Jersey, but I don't know if they take FELV. I also saw one on this weird map at http://www.adoptapet.com/maps/CATS/US/NJlocalonly=0 - I know nothing about it though... Niki's F.E.L.V. Rescue PO Box 70 ,Andover NJ US 07821 Gloria Patricia Lamoretti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Thank you.nbsp; With what's going on at Pets Alive, I don't know if they'd take another animal.nbsp; They're trying to get everyone back on track and healthy.nbsp; Animal Haven doesn't have space and I don't know spring farm cares so I'll give it a shot.nbsp; Thanks again -- PAT[EMAIL PROTECTED] lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: Try calling:
Re: Double Positive in NY (altered F, approx. 1 y/o)
I asusme you're in New York somewhere. There's Tabby's PLace in New Jersey, but I don't know if they take FELV. I also saw one on this weird map at http://www.adoptapet.com/maps/CATS/US/NJlocalonly=0 - I know nothing about it though... Niki's F.E.L.V. Rescue PO Box 70 ,Andover NJ US 07821 Gloria Patricia Lamoretti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Thank you.nbsp; With what's going on at Pets Alive, I don't know if they'd take another animal.nbsp; They're trying to get everyone back on track and healthy.nbsp; Animal Haven doesn't have space and I don't know spring farm cares so I'll give it a shot.nbsp; Thanks again -- PAT[EMAIL PROTECTED] lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: Try calling:
Re: add sweet Houston to the CLS 2/8/2007
Thanks, Phaewryn... [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : I'm so sorry for your loss, Gloria. Phaewryn nbsp;
Re: add sweet Houston to the CLS 2/8/2007
Thanks, Phaewryn... [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : I'm so sorry for your loss, Gloria. Phaewryn nbsp;
Re: Please add Jimi Too Cool to the CLS
Anne, I'm so sorry. I loved your gentle words and poem. You were so lucky to have each other, and I know we all grieve with you for your wonderful baby. Sleep soft, sweet Jimi. Gloria Anne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Dearnbsp;kind fellow cat lovers,nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; Jimi Too Cool has passed over to the other side with the help of his favorite vet, Dr. Greene, at 11:30AM today.nbsp; Things went pretty smoothly and Dr. Greene was very kind and sympathetic.nbsp; nbsp; nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; Jimi had suffered from the side effects of feline leukemia for half of his 10 year lifetime.nbsp; It started with painful stomatitis and travelled down the esophagus and beyond, making it very difficult for him to eat.nbsp; In the last several months, he has gone downhill, becoming skin and bones, practically, even though he could eat well and a lot when his steroid shots kicked in.nbsp; This last weekend, he became like the walking dead and cried out pitifully now and then.nbsp; His eyes looked tired and sad and glazed.nbsp; The tramadol that was added to his meds wasn't helping anymore, either, it seemed.nbsp; nbsp; nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; I have been blessed to have my boy for so long, especially in light of his disease, so for that I am very grateful.nbsp; He was a noble, silly, friendly, brave, loving, smart, quirky and beautiful boy.nbsp; He has my heart.nbsp; He was very much a COOL boy all his life, too, from the time I scooped him up from an ATM machine location on a busy, dangerous street, up to and including his death.nbsp; At our first meeting at the bank, he just sauntered over and sat beside me calmly and resolutely and happily, making it known he was not leaving my side and that was how it stayed.nbsp; nbsp; nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; Jimi liked to headbutt us often and with force.nbsp; He also liked to hang upside down like a bat and he also did his camel imitation for our entertainment, making his back hump greatly, as he was a tall and solid boy with long lanky legs.nbsp; He was also somewhat like a dog, following us on our heels often. nbsp; nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; Phaewry and Marylyn, thank you for your recent posts concerning Jimi.nbsp; I want to answer them when I feel a bit stronger.nbsp; Tamara, thank you, dear friend.nbsp; Love and hugs to you, too, as always. nbsp; nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; I wanted to send the followingnbsp;poem along with this message because it reminded me so much of my boy, Jimi Too Cool, and helped me get through the euthanasia. Anne and Simms and Sophie and Jimi Too Cool, in spirit in my heart always nbsp; A Parting Prayer nbsp; Dear Lord, please open your gatesand call St. Francisto come escort this beloved companionacross the Rainbow Bridge. nbsp; Assign him to a place of honor,for he has been a faithful friendand has always done his best to please me. nbsp; Bless the hands that send him to you,for they are doing so in love and compassion,freeing him from pain and suffering. nbsp; Grant me the strength not to dwell on my loss.Help me remember the details of his lifewith the love he has shown me.And grant me the courage to honor himby sharing those memories with others. nbsp; Let him remember me as welland let him know that I will always love him.And when it's my time to pass over into your paradise,please allow him to accompany thosewho will bring me home. nbsp; Thank you, Lord,for the gift of his companionshipand for the time we've had together. nbsp; And thank you, Lord,for granting me the strengthto give him to you now. nbsp; - © Brandy Duckworth, 1998nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; Jimi Too Coolnbsp; Summer 1996 - Dec. 18th, 2006
Re: Please add Jimi Too Cool to the CLS
Anne, I'm so sorry. I loved your gentle words and poem. You were so lucky to have each other, and I know we all grieve with you for your wonderful baby. Sleep soft, sweet Jimi. Gloria Anne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Dearnbsp;kind fellow cat lovers,nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; Jimi Too Cool has passed over to the other side with the help of his favorite vet, Dr. Greene, at 11:30AM today.nbsp; Things went pretty smoothly and Dr. Greene was very kind and sympathetic.nbsp; nbsp; nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; Jimi had suffered from the side effects of feline leukemia for half of his 10 year lifetime.nbsp; It started with painful stomatitis and travelled down the esophagus and beyond, making it very difficult for him to eat.nbsp; In the last several months, he has gone downhill, becoming skin and bones, practically, even though he could eat well and a lot when his steroid shots kicked in.nbsp; This last weekend, he became like the walking dead and cried out pitifully now and then.nbsp; His eyes looked tired and sad and glazed.nbsp; The tramadol that was added to his meds wasn't helping anymore, either, it seemed.nbsp; nbsp; nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; I have been blessed to have my boy for so long, especially in light of his disease, so for that I am very grateful.nbsp; He was a noble, silly, friendly, brave, loving, smart, quirky and beautiful boy.nbsp; He has my heart.nbsp; He was very much a COOL boy all his life, too, from the time I scooped him up from an ATM machine location on a busy, dangerous street, up to and including his death.nbsp; At our first meeting at the bank, he just sauntered over and sat beside me calmly and resolutely and happily, making it known he was not leaving my side and that was how it stayed.nbsp; nbsp; nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; Jimi liked to headbutt us often and with force.nbsp; He also liked to hang upside down like a bat and he also did his camel imitation for our entertainment, making his back hump greatly, as he was a tall and solid boy with long lanky legs.nbsp; He was also somewhat like a dog, following us on our heels often. nbsp; nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; Phaewry and Marylyn, thank you for your recent posts concerning Jimi.nbsp; I want to answer them when I feel a bit stronger.nbsp; Tamara, thank you, dear friend.nbsp; Love and hugs to you, too, as always. nbsp; nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; I wanted to send the followingnbsp;poem along with this message because it reminded me so much of my boy, Jimi Too Cool, and helped me get through the euthanasia. Anne and Simms and Sophie and Jimi Too Cool, in spirit in my heart always nbsp; A Parting Prayer nbsp; Dear Lord, please open your gatesand call St. Francisto come escort this beloved companionacross the Rainbow Bridge. nbsp; Assign him to a place of honor,for he has been a faithful friendand has always done his best to please me. nbsp; Bless the hands that send him to you,for they are doing so in love and compassion,freeing him from pain and suffering. nbsp; Grant me the strength not to dwell on my loss.Help me remember the details of his lifewith the love he has shown me.And grant me the courage to honor himby sharing those memories with others. nbsp; Let him remember me as welland let him know that I will always love him.And when it's my time to pass over into your paradise,please allow him to accompany thosewho will bring me home. nbsp; Thank you, Lord,for the gift of his companionshipand for the time we've had together. nbsp; And thank you, Lord,for granting me the strengthto give him to you now. nbsp; - © Brandy Duckworth, 1998nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; Jimi Too Coolnbsp; Summer 1996 - Dec. 18th, 2006
Re: Interferon question - FeLV+/FIV+ = now negative
Kittens, of course, can show a positive result for a while after nursing a positive mama. But then at some point they throw off the antibodies. I've thought that FIV+ kittens could go negative, as FELV+ kittens can. Interesting - it's really good to hear news like this. Gloria [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : That's great! I never heard of a cat throwing FIV, but I have heard of high rates of false positives on FIV tests. Was it confirmed by an IFA or DNA test? If it was an in-house snap test, I would guess she was never actually positive and the test result was wrong. Either way, good news! knock on wood!nbsp; nbsp; Michelle nbsp; In a message dated 12/15/2006 8:59:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Everyone, nbsp;I don't post much but have a serious question re Interferon.nbsp; Kitty tested positive for FeLV/FIV at nine months old.nbsp; She has had daily Interferon for the past 3+ months.nbsp; Now that she has tested negative for both diseases, what experience has anyone else had and vet recommendations for tapering off the IFN?nbsp; I thought once kitties were FIV+ that disease did not disappear but the FeLV+ sometimes is fought off (30%).nbsp; This sweet girl can be adopted out once she is off the interferon.nbsp; nbsp;Del nbsp;
Re: Interferon question - FeLV+/FIV+ = now negative
Kittens, of course, can show a positive result for a while after nursing a positive mama. But then at some point they throw off the antibodies. I've thought that FIV+ kittens could go negative, as FELV+ kittens can. Interesting - it's really good to hear news like this. Gloria [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : That's great! I never heard of a cat throwing FIV, but I have heard of high rates of false positives on FIV tests. Was it confirmed by an IFA or DNA test? If it was an in-house snap test, I would guess she was never actually positive and the test result was wrong. Either way, good news! knock on wood!nbsp; nbsp; Michelle nbsp; In a message dated 12/15/2006 8:59:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Everyone, nbsp;I don't post much but have a serious question re Interferon.nbsp; Kitty tested positive for FeLV/FIV at nine months old.nbsp; She has had daily Interferon for the past 3+ months.nbsp; Now that she has tested negative for both diseases, what experience has anyone else had and vet recommendations for tapering off the IFN?nbsp; I thought once kitties were FIV+ that disease did not disappear but the FeLV+ sometimes is fought off (30%).nbsp; This sweet girl can be adopted out once she is off the interferon.nbsp; nbsp;Del nbsp;
Re: [feline-cancer] some good news
WOW - truly awesome! Gloria Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : YAY!! That's awesome!!!nbsp;nbsp;Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito MalitoMy cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous - Original Message From: Dianne K Perry, Ph.D. lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt;To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Friday, December 15, 2006 5:16:06 PMSubject: Re: [feline-cancer] some good news Asia had her 4th chemo treatment today and anothernbsp;nbsp; x-ray.the mass in her chest cavity is gone!nbsp; nbsp; I realize we will have more chemo for a couple weeks and then evaluate again and only the Lord knows what is ahead, but we are thankful and grateful for this nbsp; Dianne and Asia __,_._,___ __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [feline-cancer] some good news
WOW - truly awesome! Gloria Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : YAY!! That's awesome!!!nbsp;nbsp;Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito MalitoMy cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous - Original Message From: Dianne K Perry, Ph.D. lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt;To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Friday, December 15, 2006 5:16:06 PMSubject: Re: [feline-cancer] some good news Asia had her 4th chemo treatment today and anothernbsp;nbsp; x-ray.the mass in her chest cavity is gone!nbsp; nbsp; I realize we will have more chemo for a couple weeks and then evaluate again and only the Lord knows what is ahead, but we are thankful and grateful for this nbsp; Dianne and Asia __,_._,___ __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: How should I handle this?
So far so good, sounds like. Guess what I'd do is to test him again in December and see where he is then. Best wishes, Gloria Dede Hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : I have been following the posts for awhile. I have a 6 m/o DSH named Ki. He has become very special to me. i was only supposed to keep him for a couple of weeks, and he tested + for FeLV. No one at the rescue knew what to do. They ususlly just PTS. The vet wouldn't do it as he was only 12 wks old at the time. I had him tested in Sept with the Elisa. He was still a weak +. When should I do the IFA? I have been reading things concerning the other cats catching this. Right now, I have him separated. He is healthy and playful. What is the risk?? We are moving from Fl to NY in the Spring. I need to have answers for him by then. It's funny, but I have 3 FIV cats with my other guys...never had it transmitted. I am just scared about the FeLV...just don't know as much, I guess. Education is everything! Dede quot;When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your Godquot; Mosiah 2:17 Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail (http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/)
Re: How should I handle this?
So far so good, sounds like. Guess what I'd do is to test him again in December and see where he is then. Best wishes, Gloria Dede Hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : I have been following the posts for awhile. I have a 6 m/o DSH named Ki. He has become very special to me. i was only supposed to keep him for a couple of weeks, and he tested + for FeLV. No one at the rescue knew what to do. They ususlly just PTS. The vet wouldn't do it as he was only 12 wks old at the time. I had him tested in Sept with the Elisa. He was still a weak +. When should I do the IFA? I have been reading things concerning the other cats catching this. Right now, I have him separated. He is healthy and playful. What is the risk?? We are moving from Fl to NY in the Spring. I need to have answers for him by then. It's funny, but I have 3 FIV cats with my other guys...never had it transmitted. I am just scared about the FeLV...just don't know as much, I guess. Education is everything! Dede quot;When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your Godquot; Mosiah 2:17 Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail (http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/)
Re: To: Kayte
Unfortunately, some vets do that - if they encounter an FELV cat, they recommend euthanization - I hate it, but it's true. Fortunately, when I encountered my 1st FELV cat (Calawalla Banana Boo-boo), the vet was wonderful - didn't recommend Euth, just said that it might limit her life expectancy. Also said that the virus didnt' live very long outside the body fluids. I still know of vets in this town that euth. FELV and even FIV cats, simply because Sad. Gloria At 10:45 PM 9/3/2006, you wrote: Hi Kayte and welcome to the group! I live in Arizona and for some reason most of our vets here are scared of the disease and don't really have a lot of knowledge about it. At the time, Angel had no symptoms at all. It was just the fact that she tested positive. There is no way I was going to let him euthanize her since she had no symptoms. I had brought her home and started searching the internet for information and that is how I found this wonderful group of people. I only had Angel since July, but she was such a sweet girl and as long as she was by my side, she was happy. She became ill last weekend and died on Wednesday. This disease hit her very fast..she was only 5 months old. I wish there was a way to get our vets here more educated and up to date on this disease. It's frustrating. Good luck to you! Karen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As many of you know, the vet I had originally taken Angel to wanted me to have her euthanized right away after she tested positive. I had spent weeks looking for a new vet for her and finally decided to try this one, when she became ill and needed to be seen last week. I just wanted to share that a lady from the vets office had called me last Wed. to check on Angel. I had to share the bad news and tell her I had lost Angel. Anyway, the vet himself sent me a condolence card in the mail yesterday and I really thought that was nice. I mean, how many vets take the time to do that? It was very comforting to me. that was very sweet of them. my name is kayte and i am new to this group and disease. i was wandering why did your old vet want angel to be euthanized? was she sick? i just found out Friday night my baby crackers 5yr old was pos for luekemia and my vet didn't mention anything about euthanization. i have learned a lot from all u wonderful people and am crossing my fingers crackers is a false positive or that he passes this sad disease...also i am so sorry for angels passing. Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=40791/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbetaYou're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail.
help for FELV cat in Dallas area
Susan asked me to send this - is there anyone in driving distance of Dallas, Texas, who could help Ramona Dalton? She needs help with an adult orange tabby male cat that she has been feeding at her business. It's tested a light FELV positive. The kitty is outside her business right now, has become very friendly, and Ramona is afraid that if he stays he'll be hit by one of their business trucks. Her husband is extremely allergic to cats. His allergies emerge even if a cat has been around, but is not present. Someone gave out Susan's phone number here in Little Rock, Arkansas, and our rescue is full. Ramona is willing to drive the kitty just about anywhere. Her name is Ramona Dalton, her work # is 214-330-5229. Her cell phone is 214-577-4384. Her email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks so much! Gloria (in Little Rock)
OT-TRANS Tennessee, Georgia legs 8/5
fyi - any Tennessee or Georgia folks out there to do trans? The legs of this trip are really flexible Just let us know how far you are able to drive. Please contact either [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED],net off list as we are no mail on most of our lists and would hate to miss your generous offer.. Saturday August 5 Leg 1: Marshall, MO to Columbia, MO 67 miles 1 hr Start 7:00 am FILLED Thanks Wilma Leg 2: Columbia, MO to Warrenton, MO 69 miles 1 hr Start 8:00 am FILLED Thanks Wilma Leg 3: Warrenton, MO to St Louis, MO 50 miles 1 hr Start 9:00 am FILLED Thanks Tina M Leg 4: St Louis, MO to MT Vernan, IL 79 miles 1 hr 30 mins Start 10:00am FILLED Thanks Tonya Leg 5: Mt Vernon, IL to Marion, IL 45 miles 1 hr Start 11:30 am FILLED Thanks Tonya Leg 6: Marion, IL to Paducah, KY 58 miles 1 hr Start 12:30 pm FILLED Thanks Tonya Leg 7: Paducah, KY to Cadiz, KY 52 miles 1 hr Start 1:30 pm FILLED Thanks Tonya Leg 8: Cadiz, KY Clarksville, TN 45 miles 1 hr Start 2:30 PM FILLED Thanks Tonya Leg 9: Clarksville, TN to Nashville, TN 47 miles 1 hr Start 3:30 pm FILLED Bless Tonya!!! Leg 10: Nashville, TN to Manchester, TN 65 miles 1 hr 15 mins Start 4:30 pm NEEDED Leg 11: Manchester, TN to Chattanooga, TN 69 miles 1 hr 15 mins Start 5:45 pm NEEDED Leg 12: Chattanooga, TN to Adairsville, GA 60 miles 1 hr Start 6:45 pm NEEDED Leg 13: Adairsville, GA to Atlanta, GA 60 miles 1 hr Start 7:45 pm NEEDED Thanks for your help Carol Fitzgerald Maine Coon Rescue 704-488-1949
Re: Use of Metacam with cats ** Could be very dangerous
Well, indeed you can die from Fentanyl, like lots of things. That's true of a lot of drugs, in particular those that are used as pain relievers for cancer patients. My boyfriend died from an overdose of Fentanyl, when a nurse decided he needed more than his usual dose - but since he had terminal cancer it's considered death from cancer. I think the problem may be regulating the amount - but also I'm guessing that it's probably a desirable street drug. Gloria At 09:36 PM 7/25/2006, you wrote: well, we haven't had to use metacam, but we've used both buprenex and the fentanyl patches for Smoky's IC outbreaks and he does fabulously on the patches - the problem with oral dosage is that it wears off and he's a terror to pill - especially when he's not feeling well - he did get relief from the combination of the buprenex and the acepromazine (also had the ace w/the patch) but it made his recovery much less traumatic to use the patch - he had 4 episodes over the holiday season - from Thanksgiving to St Valentine's and the last one he was completely blocked [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's what we gave to Bones after her back was broken. We only were allowed to give her 4 doses, each does 3 days apart. They told me all the risks, and screened her for kidney functions before prescribing it. She did really fine on it. So... from my personal experience, I'm not too put off by it's many warnings. Mind you, for anything LESS than a broken back, I'd might have chosen a different route, but for that severe of an injury, it really worked well. On the same note, Fentantyl (sp?) patches (also known as Duragestic patches), which are put on cats and left on for 3 days are on the verge of being recalled soon, as many HUMAN deaths have occurred from them. Not sure about feline deaths. Tangle was prescribed PILLS for his after dental pain.. lemme see... Butorphanol 5mg. I think that may be a form of Bute, which I generally don't like due to IT'S side effects, BUT, with the fentanyl patch issues, and the metacam warnings, I chose them over the other two options. They did work very well, he was a MUCH happier cat after getting his pill for the night. Phaewryn PLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.htmlhttp://ucat.us/adopt.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures) and HOMES for CATS! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.4/396 - Release Date: 7/24/2006 Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous Groups are talking. We´re listening. Check out the http://pa.yahoo.com/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=41144/*http://groups.yahoo.com/local/newemail.htmlhandy changes to Yahoo! Groups.
Re: To Gloria
Hey Wendy, Sure thing! i'm about 45 minutes to 1 hr from Malvern, and go thru there every now and then. I go to nearby Hot Springs quite a bit, and use a vet there sometimes. She does a little bit of everything, nice to have around! I enjoy Arkansas - tend to stay home with the multitude of kitties, but every now and then when I go north/south/east/west, I just marvel at the multitude of vistas there are. I love the lakes and trees, and always I enjoy the farming communities and land immensely. I went 4 hours north to my high school class reunion a couple of weeks ago - a great touristy spot, Eureka Springs, like another world. Glad you're moving here - let me know more, we'll have to get together. Gloria Wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Hey Gloria, My husband and I are going to buy some land close to Malvern in the next couple of months. My mother owns it. My grandfather owned it before that; we have family there. Are you close to Malvern? We just love Arkansas. We've been there three times in the last year: Petit Jean, Lake Catherine, Mount Magazine, and Mount Nebo. Love it there! Wendy --- Gloria Lane lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: gt; SHOOT - I've got some great ones here in Arkansas, gt; Karen! Any gt; purrsonality preferences? I have Deva - a very gt; quiet Russian Blue gt; one, sits around a lot. Also Santana, a black FIV gt; cat - very sweet gt; boy. gt; gt; Gloria gt; gt; gt; gt; On Jul 20, 2006, at 12:26 PM, gt; [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: gt; gt; gt; Hey everyone gt; gt; I have an adopter with a Fiv positive looking for gt; a companion. I gt; gt; have a fiv female.but she wants a male. gt; Anyone? She is gt; gt; located in Texas gt; gt; gt; gt; see our available orphans at: gt; gt; http://members.petfinder.org/~TX418/index.html gt; gt; Karen 817-453-2969 gt; gt; __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: To Gloria
Hey Wendy, Sure thing! i'm about 45 minutes to 1 hr from Malvern, and go thru there every now and then. I go to nearby Hot Springs quite a bit, and use a vet there sometimes. She does a little bit of everything, nice to have around! I enjoy Arkansas - tend to stay home with the multitude of kitties, but every now and then when I go north/south/east/west, I just marvel at the multitude of vistas there are. I love the lakes and trees, and always I enjoy the farming communities and land immensely. I went 4 hours north to my high school class reunion a couple of weeks ago - a great touristy spot, Eureka Springs, like another world. Glad you're moving here - let me know more, we'll have to get together. Gloria Wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Hey Gloria, My husband and I are going to buy some land close to Malvern in the next couple of months. My mother owns it. My grandfather owned it before that; we have family there. Are you close to Malvern? We just love Arkansas. We've been there three times in the last year: Petit Jean, Lake Catherine, Mount Magazine, and Mount Nebo. Love it there! Wendy --- Gloria Lane lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: gt; SHOOT - I've got some great ones here in Arkansas, gt; Karen! Any gt; purrsonality preferences? I have Deva - a very gt; quiet Russian Blue gt; one, sits around a lot. Also Santana, a black FIV gt; cat - very sweet gt; boy. gt; gt; Gloria gt; gt; gt; gt; On Jul 20, 2006, at 12:26 PM, gt; [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: gt; gt; gt; Hey everyone gt; gt; I have an adopter with a Fiv positive looking for gt; a companion. I gt; gt; have a fiv female.but she wants a male. gt; Anyone? She is gt; gt; located in Texas gt; gt; gt; gt; see our available orphans at: gt; gt; http://members.petfinder.org/~TX418/index.html gt; gt; Karen 817-453-2969 gt; gt; __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Alex
I'm hoping and praying that sweet Alex pulls thru - Gloria At 10:00 PM 7/19/2006, you wrote: Hi all I was wondering if I could get some prayers for sweet Alex,he is not doing real well and he is at the clinic,Jen is doing what she can for him.He is anemic and just not getting any better.Thanks all Sherry,Rafferty,CousCous and Xander Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=40791/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/handraisersYou're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
RE: I killed Grayson
Tonya, I'm so sorry. I worry about that sometimes. One of my sick dogs rested her head on my dangling computer cables and died. I felt awful, like I needed to have her in a perfect room with no dangers. My dear beloved kitty Jacques, back in the early 1990's, was in the process of dying, and I left him on my back deck. I had to get some sleep. He looped himself over the bars of the gate and died, I think suffocated. I just had an older rescue kitten die the other night - I just came into the room and he was lying there. Why hadn't I seen it? He seemed so healthy. But something was wrong, I just don't know what. They're so fragile sometimes, it's hard to be there every minute and keep them safe and alive. But our intention is to help, so if they died in our hands, it wasn't because of bad intention - we just don't always have the energy and capacity to help them perfectly. Blessings, Gloria I just woke and Grayson was dead. I think I smothered him. I think 2:30 was the last time he woke me up to be fed. I had him up by my neck but remember finding him sleeping down next to me at one point and moving him back up. I guess it didn't cross my mind at the time that he should have been screaming for food at that point. I just moved him back up higher on the bed and covered him in his little towel and fell back asleep. When I woke again I wondered why he hadn't cried yet or moved over to my neck. He was dead because I had killed him. tonya
Re: Safety first? - On my soapbox again
I agree -much of the approach to FELV seems based on paranoia, not reality. My vet told me that the virus dies when it hits the air. What I've read is that adult cats with good, normal immune systems just don't pick up that virus. I mixed mine and have not seen a cat come down with FELV from associating with an FELV cat in a normal household environment. Gloria At 03:46 AM 6/21/2006, you wrote: In a message dated 6/20/2006 11:15:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This only tells me it's not nearly as hard to catch as they try and make people believe. And I still don't think it would be very easy to catch by grooming, I would watch Bailey and joey groom each other and they actually would groom and touch tongues and Joey still never got it!!
Re: hi im new
How wonderful that you're helping this sweet little baby. Where are you located? We have members in various US states, and different countries. Glad you joined the list. Gloria At 12:51 PM 6/16/2006, you wrote: i just found a felv kitten i was dump at my work he 8 week old i will be looking for a home for him as i have other kitten in the house but till i find a home i trying to learn as much as i can to help my little baby boy. he had uri when i got him and still has runny eyes that some time goo over any help you can give me will be greatly helpful ilene
Re: new to FeLV
Good for you! Nice that you have a vet who was willing to help you. Gloria At 06:09 PM 6/13/2006, you wrote: Hi, About a week and a half ago we had a stray come to our house. Because I have a FIV cat I took this guy right into the vets office to be tested. He came back FeLV +, we went ahead and neutered him, I would not hear of putting this little black beauty to sleep, he is a great boy, not feral at all. He came home from the vets with a little respiratory issue but we cleared that right up with amoxi. He was just as full of worms as a cat can get, so we've treated him for that but now the diarrhea is really bad and I cannot seem to get if firmed up. He is on Natural Balance, I would like to get him onto raw. This boy has not really shown any signs of illness other then what I've mentioned, and the vet seems to think that his health is not really too bad. I guess I don't know my options and my vet just says that he will do whatever I want but I need more options then death by lethal injection or bring home to watch die. Help! Roxane __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: new to FeLV
If you're into conventional medicine, talk to the vet about trying Flagyl for 5-7 days. It's been working nicely for me, with some cats I have. I've also ordered an herbal liquid with the thought that it might help intestinal parasites. I've also used food formulas that included brown rice (fiber) and that helped. To really get into the food making for diarrhea, Dr. Pitcairn's book has a great recipe. Good luck, Gloria At 06:09 PM 6/13/2006, you wrote: Hi, About a week and a half ago we had a stray come to our house. Because I have a FIV cat I took this guy right into the vets office to be tested. He came back FeLV +, we went ahead and neutered him, I would not hear of putting this little black beauty to sleep, he is a great boy, not feral at all. He came home from the vets with a little respiratory issue but we cleared that right up with amoxi. He was just as full of worms as a cat can get, so we've treated him for that but now the diarrhea is really bad and I cannot seem to get if firmed up. He is on Natural Balance, I would like to get him onto raw. This boy has not really shown any signs of illness other then what I've mentioned, and the vet seems to think that his health is not really too bad. I guess I don't know my options and my vet just says that he will do whatever I want but I need more options then death by lethal injection or bring home to watch die. Help! Roxane __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Fwd: SR Rex Transport Maryland/Virginia, to Memphis, TN 6/17 18
Contact Rita at [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: PurrEver Ranch Sanctuary (A Hospice For Senior Kittizens) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 07:46:42 -0700 (PDT) Please help me get this old kitty safely to PurrEver Ranch. A horrid breeder threw her away in a kill shelter. Thank you for your help. rita This is a CFA Rescue Transport for Circus, a senior Cornish Rex lady who has lost her home and been rescued from the shelter. She is in Temporary foster care with Mary Baldwin - PAWS email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and she will be going to her _foster: Rita Wood : [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gotcats.org/ from_city+state: St. Leonard, Maryland to_city+state: Memphis TN area Collierville, TN dates: Sat 6/17 and Sun 6/19 beginning_city+state: Ashburn, Virginia ending_city+state: Memphis, TN area Collierville, TN how_far_from_each_end_can_travel_to_meet_connection: breed_of_kit: Cornish Rex name_of_kit: Circus age: 10 plus years gender: female n_or_s: no die to her advanced age, she will be spayed in rescue after a complete evaluation size+weight: about 7 lbs health_certificate: rabies+date: June 2, 2006 rabies_tag_number+state: 6428 ,Maryland other_vac+date: Fel-O-Vax 5/24/06 dewormed: 6/03/06 advantage%2cfrontline+or+program: no known_med_problems: none known known_physical_conditions_or_limitations: dirty ears, gingivitis aggression_or_behavior_issues: no info_or_reports_of_biting_or_aggressive_behavior: no explanation_of_known_aggression_or_behavior_problems: recent_or_current_contagious_cond_or_disease: special_needs_or_meds_to_be_admin_during_transport: temperament: people attitude_toward_strangers: disposition_toward_extended_car_rides: situation: PAWS rescue from kill shelter, owner relinquished carrier_or_crate: yes size_of_carrier_or_crate: large other_items_or_meds_accompanying_furkid: Food, water, extra towels, zip lock bag. name_of_rescue_group: Maine Coon Rescue (MCR) url_of_rescue_group: http://mainecoonrescue.com/ additionalrescuegroupinfo: http://mainecoonrescue.petfinder.com reason_for_transport: deliver to permanent foster home *Please Crosspost Widely The legs of this trip are really flexible and if you are headed that way I hope that you can take this cat with you. Please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] off list as I am on digest and would hate to miss your offer. Leg 1: St Leonard MD to Fredericksburg, VA 75 miles 1 hr 30 mins FILLED Thanks Mary Leg 2: Fredericksburg, Va to Charlottesvulle, VA via Rt 20 66 miles 1 hr 30 mins NEEDED Leg 3: Charlottesville, VA to Lexington, VA 66 miles 1 hr 15 mins NEEDED Leg 4: Lexington, Va to Roanoke, Va 55 miles 1 hr NEEDED Leg 5: Roanole VA to Wytheville, VA 72 miles 1 hr 15 mins NEEDED Leg 6: Wytheville, VA to Bristol, TN70 miles 1 hr 15 mins NEEDED Leg 7: Bristol, TN to Lynndale, TN 70 miles 1 hr 15 mins NEEDED Leg 8: Lynndale, TN to Knoxville, TN 42 miles 45 mins NEEDED OVERNIGHT IN THIS AREA NEEDED Sunday 6./18 Leg 9: Knoxville, TN to Crossville, TN 69 miles 1 hr 30 mins NEEDED Leg 10: Crossville, TN to Lebanon, TN 89 miles 1 hr 30 mins NEEDED Leg 11: Lebanon, TN to Only, TN 93 miles 1 hr 30 mins NEEDED Leg 12: Only Tn to Jackson,TN 70 miles 1 hr NEEDED Leg 13: Jackson, TN to Collierville , TN 81 miles 1 hr 30 mins NEEDED Carolyn Fitzgerald Maine Coon Rescue Chairman of the Board Executive Director Rescue Chair http://mainecoonrescue.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rita Cockrell Wood, Founder PurrEver Ranch Sanctuary (A Hospice For Senior Kittizens) Website: http://www.purreverranch.org Spring Mewsletter: http://www.gotcats.org/springmews06.html BE A RESCUER without ever having to clean a litterbox or pick up a hairball! Sponsor A Senior Kittizen! http://www.gotcats.org/sponsor.html If only the waifs, the strays, the sick, the abused would be sure to get entrance to the home, and anybody could feel at liberty to bring in a starved or ill-treated animal and have it cared for without pay, my object would be attained.. Ellen M Gifford Sheltering Home For Animals Boston 1884 Saving Just One Cat Won't Change The World But It Will Surely Change The World Of One Cat. Please Give...So They Can Live http://www.gotcats.org/donate.html Raise money for PurrEver Ranch Sanctuary just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - http://www.goodsearch.com - powered by YAHOO!
Re: FIV resources
Lucky you, with a vet like that! No, I remember MC (tenhousecats) saying that at their large rescue up in Michigan, the FIV's were sweet and laid back - and all mine six are (and healthy too, no problelms). Gloria At 08:56 AM 6/2/2006, you wrote: We've got an FIV guy here...the sweetest, most laid back little dude I've ever met! I didn't know much about FIV other than it was pretty hard to spread it and that cats can live relatively normal lives with the virus. But what really set me straight was the attitude of my vet who basically said, No big deal, I've got one at my house who mingles with all of my other cats! As much as I knew in my heart it was no big deal, it really gave me a peace of mind hearing it from an expert, so-to-speak! :) Education is probably the key, and having more vets out there to dispel the myths would certainly come in handy (and this goes for FeLV, too)! As an aside, is it true that FIV cats seem to be some of the coolest cats around, or is it just me? ;) But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long... --Blade Runner - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, June 2, 2006 8:37 am Subject: Re: FIV resources To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org It's discouraging. I have never placed an FIV+ cat. I have 5 or 6, and they're wonderful. Something to work on, I guess. Gloria At 01:29 AM 6/2/2006, you wrote: I have a couple of FIV+ cats of my own and a beautiful little Siamese mix foster who is FIV+ They take longer to place. We have to try harder. We have to work at educating people. But we have to get the message out that FIV cats can live long happy lives and are not furry little lepers. Consider how language reflects mindset and affects actions. Does it really take longer to place an FIV cat than a senior or a special needs cat? Or an all black cat? Some take longer than others. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have one up for adoption too... they are hard to place. Phaewryn (was Jenn, changed name) http://ucat.us/http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat Rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.htmlhttp://ucat.us/adopt.html PLEASE DONATE TO THE TANGLE FUND: Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely injured when someone wrapped wire around his neck to strangle him, Little Cheetah Cat Rescue is raising funds to bring Tangle to Vermont to find him a good home! http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.htmlhttp://ucat.us/tangle-fund.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures), and more towels! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/354 - Release Date: 6/1/2006
Tweety - the one eyed persian - adopted
This is all I have on Tweety - apparently someone from Connecticut is adopting her. Gloria Message 1 From: pretynpersian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue May 23, 2006 7:27pm(PDT) Subject: tweety- adopted thank- you everyone for all your help getting the word out about tweety, i heard that she was adopted and they have taken her picture off of petfinder. im sure that she is going to a wonderful home which is everything that we could hope for. lara schindler
OT - kitten dosage of advantage?
Does anybody know the dosage of Advantage to use on a kitten? Thanks, Gloria
Re: Allie has said good-bye
Jennifer, I'm so sorry for your sad loss - how sweet, how wonderfully, you helped her out, how kind to yourself to indulge in those lovely memories. It still hurts, but of course it changes. You and Allie are in my thoughts. Gloria At 01:38 PM 5/17/2006, you wrote: I know this was the right thing to do- she was really suffering over the past few days, but it is still so hard. I miss her so much! I have not been able to bring myself to put away all the cat stuff yet. Last night my husband and I went through old pictures of Allie and relived our favorite Allie moments- there were so many! So now it's one day at a time and one foot in front of the other. I know I will continue to cry a lot and continue to miss her terribly. But I know my baby girl is somewhere now where there is no more suffering and she can run around and chase mice, squirrels, birds, and rabbits all day long. Thanks for listening!
Re: OT - kitten dosage of advantage?
Thanks, Karen - what about kittens that are 8-10 weeks? Gloria At 11:12 PM 5/17/2006, you wrote: what age Gloria my vet said nothing under 8 weeks. Karen
Re: What can I do?
Hi Virginia, I'd certainly go along with what Wendy says. Would like to add a plug for interferon Alpha, which is used as a supplement for the immune system. I give my FELV kitties a daily dose of oral interferon, a clear liquid. It's easy to obtain and administer, but different vets charge different prices. I used to get it for $65 for a small bottle, now get it for $15 for way more in quantity - 1000 ml. Best of luck, Gloria Wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Hi Virginia, I am sorry to hear that your cat has tested FeLV+, but glad you found us. This is a great group, and you won't be sorry you sought us out for information. I don't have any FeLV+ kitties anymore after I lost my beloved Cricket in November, but I stay around to offer help to those who need it, just as I was offered great information and support when I really needed it. As far as the other kitties go in your house, we have mixed views here. Some mix their positives and negatives, and some don't. The ones who do believe their kitties have already been exposed to the FeLV and were not susceptible to it if they don't test negative. Some also believe that separating those who are close will do worse damage as stress tends to kick this virus into gear if it's in quot;remissionquot;. After I found out that Cricket had FeLV, I did not separate him from my others, as they'd already lived together for two years. He lived another two years before passing, and my others have never developed the virus. I would not, however, foster anymore cats in your home in the future, especially kittens, as they are very susceptible to contracting the virus with their yet-to-be-strengthened immune systems. You should probably test those in your home to see what you're dealing with, and then retest after a period of time (someone else here will have a better idea of how long before retesting). You can vaccinate if they are FeLV-, which is probably a good idea, but the vaccination does not always have a very high success rate. The two most important things for a FeLV+ kitty is to keep them stress free and keep their immune system boosted with a good diet (corn/grain free) and supplements (like L-lysine). I have a manual I can forward you with a lot of great information. It was composed of posts from all the very knowledgeable people here. Just let me know if you need it. I have to forward it directly to your email versus to the group email because the site doesn't allow attachments. Hope this helps, Wendy Dallas, Tx --- Ntigat lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: gt; After a year, a female cat that I foster on my home gt; that was in the first test FELV -, I gt; retested again and the result was FELV +. I repeat gt; the test because I gt; notice that in the clinic that I made the first gt; test, some of the gt; results was FALSE NEGATIVE. They use a kit that gt; never produces FELV + gt; gt; My question is: what can I do with the rest of the gt; cats of my home? gt; Retest them? If one of the cat is FELV can I gt; vaccinate him? What gt; about the FELV +? I can't separate them because I gt; have not space to do that. gt; gt; Thanks in advance, gt; gt; Virginia gt; gt; gt; gt; - gt; gt; LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. gt; Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde 1 céntimo por gt; minuto. gt; http://es.voice.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: What can I do?
Hi Virginia, I'd certainly go along with what Wendy says. Would like to add a plug for interferon Alpha, which is used as a supplement for the immune system. I give my FELV kitties a daily dose of oral interferon, a clear liquid. It's easy to obtain and administer, but different vets charge different prices. I used to get it for $65 for a small bottle, now get it for $15 for way more in quantity - 1000 ml. Best of luck, Gloria Wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Hi Virginia, I am sorry to hear that your cat has tested FeLV+, but glad you found us. This is a great group, and you won't be sorry you sought us out for information. I don't have any FeLV+ kitties anymore after I lost my beloved Cricket in November, but I stay around to offer help to those who need it, just as I was offered great information and support when I really needed it. As far as the other kitties go in your house, we have mixed views here. Some mix their positives and negatives, and some don't. The ones who do believe their kitties have already been exposed to the FeLV and were not susceptible to it if they don't test negative. Some also believe that separating those who are close will do worse damage as stress tends to kick this virus into gear if it's in quot;remissionquot;. After I found out that Cricket had FeLV, I did not separate him from my others, as they'd already lived together for two years. He lived another two years before passing, and my others have never developed the virus. I would not, however, foster anymore cats in your home in the future, especially kittens, as they are very susceptible to contracting the virus with their yet-to-be-strengthened immune systems. You should probably test those in your home to see what you're dealing with, and then retest after a period of time (someone else here will have a better idea of how long before retesting). You can vaccinate if they are FeLV-, which is probably a good idea, but the vaccination does not always have a very high success rate. The two most important things for a FeLV+ kitty is to keep them stress free and keep their immune system boosted with a good diet (corn/grain free) and supplements (like L-lysine). I have a manual I can forward you with a lot of great information. It was composed of posts from all the very knowledgeable people here. Just let me know if you need it. I have to forward it directly to your email versus to the group email because the site doesn't allow attachments. Hope this helps, Wendy Dallas, Tx --- Ntigat lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: gt; After a year, a female cat that I foster on my home gt; that was in the first test FELV -, I gt; retested again and the result was FELV +. I repeat gt; the test because I gt; notice that in the clinic that I made the first gt; test, some of the gt; results was FALSE NEGATIVE. They use a kit that gt; never produces FELV + gt; gt; My question is: what can I do with the rest of the gt; cats of my home? gt; Retest them? If one of the cat is FELV can I gt; vaccinate him? What gt; about the FELV +? I can't separate them because I gt; have not space to do that. gt; gt; Thanks in advance, gt; gt; Virginia gt; gt; gt; gt; - gt; gt; LLama Gratis a cualquier PC del Mundo. gt; Llamadas a fijos y móviles desde 1 céntimo por gt; minuto. gt; http://es.voice.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
OT: sedative before flying (ACE)
Hey folks, I'm flying to Minneapolis on Saturday, a 2.5 hour flight from LIttle Rock, and taking a sweet, energetic young Siamese kitty to his owner. Kitty will ride in the cabin with me. I've never taken a kitty on board with me before, so a new experience. The vet gave me a sedative, ACE., and am pondering whether to use the sedative or not. Someone said that another option would be Benadryl, along with Rescue Remedy. Any experiences with taking kitties on flights? With ACE? Think the dosage was 1/2 tablet followed by 1/4 if needed. Thanks much! Gloria
Re: sedative before flying (ACE)
Very helpful, thanks - I'd heard that it can make them disassociative when they're coming out of it - not knowing where they are, etc. Gloria At 03:26 PM 5/11/2006, you wrote: Acepromazine for a cat? This was first choice sedative? WOW! Tough stuff for kitty IMO, especially since he's riding in cabin with you. We only use this in cats to induce anesthesia sometimes. It dilates their pupils a lot and stays in their system for a day or two depending on how fast your their metabolism is. We also use it for animals that go home after exstensive surgery and they need to stay still (like bone breaks, etc...). Their appetite will decrease to almost nothing and sometimes they won't want to eat at all. Personally, I wouldn't use it, not for a 2 1/2 hour flight. ~ Rachel Operation Foster Felix http://www.operationfosterfelix.orgwww.operationfosterfelix.org Sharing Our Hearts, Homes Litter Boxes If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 4:20 PM Subject: OT: sedative before flying (ACE) Hey folks, I'm flying to Minneapolis on Saturday, a 2.5 hour flight from LIttle Rock, and taking a sweet, energetic young Siamese kitty to his owner. Kitty will ride in the cabin with me. I've never taken a kitty on board with me before, so a new experience. The vet gave me a sedative, ACE., and am pondering whether to use the sedative or not. Someone said that another option would be Benadryl, along with Rescue Remedy. Any experiences with taking kitties on flights? With ACE? Think the dosage was 1/2 tablet followed by 1/4 if needed. Thanks much! Gloria
RE: sedative before flying (ACE)
Re your last comment, right! I was thinking I might need the Ace more than Gizmo...! Gloria At 03:38 PM 5/11/2006, you wrote: I've taken Tucson a couple of times across the country. I never gave her ACE---I was prepared for all possibilities---had a backpack that weighed a ton with food, water, wipes, leash, collars, health cert, toys, towels, and on and on. She slept the whole way. I had to change planes and opened the flaps on the carrier (Sherpa softsided) so she could see out--she sort of looked at me like I was insane! The only problem I had was that they make you take the cat out of the carrier when you go thru metal detector. I had put a harness on her before we left home and when I had to take her out, I clipped the leash which I wrapped around my arm. Then I picked her out of the top of the carrier by putting a big towel around her and lifting her so tthat it covered her and she couldn't see all those people looking at her. Security said something about having to see the cat so I let them peek as I held her. Then I just put her back in the carrier at the end of the xray machine thing-before I put on my shoes, grabbed my backpack and just got myself together. I wouldn't use ACE for a flight--they say that the change in cabin pressure and the ACE are not a good match. I think that most cats don't like all those strange people around them and just go off to sleep. I used a medium sized soft-sided carrier--fits better under the seat. At one point, it was sticking out a bit because airlines had put something or other under the seat in front of me--steward pointed that out and I asked where they would like me to put her! Nobody every bothered me again... Tucson did a whole lot better on the flight than I did--I suspect that's about normal! Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 4:21 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: sedative before flying (ACE) Hey folks, I'm flying to Minneapolis on Saturday, a 2.5 hour flight from LIttle Rock, and taking a sweet, energetic young Siamese kitty to his owner. Kitty will ride in the cabin with me. I've never taken a kitty on board with me before, so a new experience. The vet gave me a sedative, ACE., and am pondering whether to use the sedative or not. Someone said that another option would be Benadryl, along with Rescue Remedy. Any experiences with taking kitties on flights? With ACE? Think the dosage was 1/2 tablet followed by 1/4 if needed. Thanks much! Gloria
Re: sedative before flying (ACE)
Right, thanks to you all for the mention of the towel. Hadn't thought of that. Gloria At 05:09 PM 5/11/2006, you wrote: I agree with the suggestions to not use any sedative. It has been my experience that the feeling of not being in control of themselves makes them stress out even more. It sounds like this kitty is tame and would probably be better off with out the Ace. Don't forget that big towel to wrap her in when you have to remove her from the carrier! Put the harness and short leash on her when you leave the house, (don't forget id tags). You guys will be fine, just keep your cool and she will too. Nina Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: I personally recommend that you do not give any sedatives --- depending on a kitty, it will give a very weird reaction -almost they try so hard to go against what the drug is trying to do and act very disturbed. I traveled with Ayumi (she was very feral at that time)from Japan to seoul, Seoul to LA, and LA to vegas and Vegas to Albuquerque - it was a loong flight ... and she was nervous but she did okay without any drug.. I heard that when a kitty is active and energetic, usually the reaction is greater to the drug.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:21 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: sedative before flying (ACE) Hey folks, I'm flying to Minneapolis on Saturday, a 2.5 hour flight from LIttle Rock, and taking a sweet, energetic young Siamese kitty to his owner. Kitty will ride in the cabin with me. I've never taken a kitty on board with me before, so a new experience. The vet gave me a sedative, ACE., and am pondering whether to use the sedative or not. Someone said that another option would be Benadryl, along with Rescue Remedy. Any experiences with taking kitties on flights? With ACE? Think the dosage was 1/2 tablet followed by 1/4 if needed. Thanks much! Gloria
Re: sedative before flying (ACE)
Yup - been doing that. Started some Rescue Remedy too. Someone suggested a little Benadryl the morning of the flight...? Gloria At 05:25 PM 5/11/2006, you wrote: Can you let kitty spend some time in the carrier at home, in and out to get used to it... Then a couple short trips in the car and if she doesn't freak I don't think she would know the difference of going off the ground... Also if she bonds with you and knows your voice she will be comforted if you are with her... I don't think you need the sedative in your case... Tad Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: I personally recommend that you do not give any sedatives --- depending on a kitty, it will give a very weird reaction -almost they try so hard to go against what the drug is trying to do and act very disturbed. I traveled with Ayumi (she was very feral at that time)from Japan to seoul, Seoul to LA, and LA to vegas and Vegas to Albuquerque - it was a loong flight ... and she was nervous but she did okay without any drug.. I heard that when a kitty is active and energetic, usually the reaction is greater to the drug.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:21 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: sedative before flying (ACE) Hey folks, I'm flying to Minneapolis on Saturday, a 2.5 hour flight from LIttle Rock, and taking a sweet, energetic young Siamese kitty to his owner. Kitty will ride in the cabin with me. I've never taken a kitty on board with me before, so a new experience. The vet gave me a sedative, ACE., and am pondering whether to use the sedative or not. Someone said that another option would be Benadryl, along with Rescue Remedy. Any experiences with taking kitties on flights? With ACE? Think the dosage was 1/2 tablet followed by 1/4 if needed. Thanks much! Gloria
Re: sedative before flying (ACE)
Thanks a million, folks - everyone - this has been SO wonderfully helpful. Don't know what I'd do without you. Gloria At 07:30 PM 5/11/2006, you wrote: And the short car ride could be to a Kentucky Fried Chicken which would be placed near the carrier on the way home and shared at home thus the carrier / car ride become something to look forward to next time.. Tad Nina wrote: Good suggestion Tad! Depending on how much time you have you can also start feeding in the carrier to get her used to feeling safe in there. Nina Tad Burnett wrote: Can you let kitty spend some time in the carrier at home, in and out to get used to it... Then a couple short trips in the car and if she doesn't freak I don't think she would know the difference of going off the ground... Also if she bonds with you and knows your voice she will be comforted if you are with her... I don't think you need the sedative in your case... Tad
Re: Long Introduction
It's hard to determine cause and effect, so it may not have been what you think. Regarding what to do - I use daily low-dose interferon, and think that's a good way to go. Best of luck to you, we all understand. Gloria in Arkansas mom of 5 FELV cats, 3 FELV Angels At 08:56 AM 5/7/2006, you wrote: My name is Ashleigh. I lost my cat of 7 years last night. Pepper was FeLV+. The long story starts several years ago. In 1991, I adopted a cat, Fred, from a no-kill shelter. He was 3 at the time and very healthy. I faithfully got his annual vaccinations for everything, including FeLV. In 1998, Fred got a lump on his neck. It was vaccine-associated sarcoma. Even though we knew it was a long shot, we elected to have the mass removed and hoped that he'd be in the minuscule percentage of cats for whom VAS doesn't return. He wasn't. The lump came back, and we eventually had him put to sleep when he could no longer eat or drink well on his own and had a poor quality of life. It just about killed me. To think that I bascially killed him by being what I thought was a good cat mom by never missing his annual shots tore me up. A few months after Fred died, in 1999, I got Pepper from a co-worker whose cat had had kittens. That solid black furball was so sweet. When he was a tiny kitten, he used to sleep on my chest, right below my neck at night. Unfortunately, about that time, I started getting sick a lot. Since my workplace had roof leaks when it rained, I suspected a mold allergy, and went to get allergy tested. I was horrified when tests showed that I was VERY allergic to cats. (The doctor said some cats are worse than others for allergies--just a crap shoot. He said it wasn't starnge that I could've been around Fred without getting sick a lot but not Pepper.) I tried everything to keep Pepper inside--wekkly baths, MSM supplements for me, allergy shots for me. Nothing worked. Therefore, Pepper went from being an indoor-outdoor cat to being an outdoor cat. He liked being outside, and I'd still go pet him outside--I'd just have to wash up when I got inside. Now, when Pepper was a kitten, I'd gotten him his vaccinations. However, given Fred's horrible death from over-vaccinating, I did my research before blingly following veterinary advice with Pepper. Just about everything I read said that vaccines every 3 years were sufficient, so that's what I did. I also had the vet use adjuvant-free vaccines and never give them in his neck. He did get the FeLV vaccine as a kitten, as a young adult, and just last year. I assumed he'd be safe from kitty diseases. Last February, I got another cat. She is a special breed that is supposed to be much less allergenic that others, and she was. She was able to live in my house without making me sick. When we got her, we had all of her vaccinations done EXCEPT FeLV. We didn't think it was necessary since she is a 100% indoor cat, and since Pepper had been vaccinated for FeLV for those rare times when he comes inside. Remember, I was very leery of vaccines, especially since Fred had died of VAS, and didn't want to vaccinate more than was absolutely necessary. Well, since Hurricane Katrina, Pepper just hadn't been himself. (We live on he Missisippi Gulf Coast and had 4' of water in our house. The cats were okay, and the house has been gutted and re-sheetrocked. With my home uninhabitable, I moved to Louisiana to my mom's house with my indoor cat. Pepper stayed in Mississippi where my husband was roughing it, and David kept feeding him and taking care of him--even though David was living down the street at a neighbor's house that was higher than ours and didn't flood. The indoor cat, my daughter, and I moved to my parents' hosue where they live with their cat.) We've always had a few feral cats in the neighborhood, but their population has skyrocketed since Katrina. My cat food bill is high since I feed not only Pepper but also a ton of feral strays (and a raccoon) in the neighborhood who come eat his food. Over the past 2 weeks or so, Pepper had lost a lot of weight. Since one of my students is my vet's daughter, I mentioned to her mom that Pepper was looking really skinny and that I was going to bring him in in a few days for a check-up. She told me that he might've gotten worms and that they'd check him. Well, when I got home that afternoon, I couldn't find Pepper. I went through the neighborhood calling him and couldn't find him. I feared the worst--that he was really sick and had gone off to die. Well, yesterday afternoon, Pepper returned. He was limping, and his right back foot was swollen and infected from a bite. Infection had set in, and you could smell the decay. Flies were around him (and he's always been a very fastidious cat). I rushed him to the emergency vet's office, where thay saw that something had bitten him--possibly a
Re: Bailey has gone home
Belinda, I'm so sorry. He sounds so special, and I know how hard it is to lose them. I learned from my Calawalla, and I think she'll be there with him, to show him the way. My thoughts are with you. Gloria At 11:54 PM 5/6/2006, you wrote: Bailey left us at 6:20 this evening. He took a bad turn for the worse late last night and when I took him in this morning for his surgery it was evident he wasn't in good enough shape. We gave him fluids for a couple hours because he was dehydrated, his blood pressure was 60 and his temperature went from 103 yesterday to 98 today, his blood work was normal except his platelet count was low so he wasn't clotting and suregery was out of the question unless we could get his platelet count up. After two hours of fluids and a blood transfusion his platelets came up but his temperature was now 94, 96 puts kitties at risk for heart failure and she couldn't even get a blood pressure. My vet said we have 3 options, we could continue the fluids and support and see if things changed and if they did he could have the surgery tomorrow. Go ahead with the surgery and get in and out as quickly as possible or she could euthanise him. I asked her what she honestly thought of his condition, she said she though he was leaving on his own, I agreed. We talked, I asked her what to expect if he was going to die and she told me what the likely scenarios would be, she gave me a syringe of pain meds incase it got really bad for him, it would basically knock him out so he wouldn't suffer and pass on his own, she had a dinner engagement but told me to call if she was needed. I had told Bailey it was his decision to stay or go, and told him to do what was best for him. I brought him home on the fluids to keep supporting him and if he did turn for the better we would consider the surgery later. His breathing got worse just taking him to the car so I knew in my heart we didn't have long. We had about an hour, he was home with us and we were with him when he left. He is whole now and FeLV free for the first time. We were so lucky to have him for 11 years, his birthday was Monday. I will miss his bouncy, happy personality. He was so special and I learned so much thanks to him. He was our only positive and the one that was responsible for my learning everything I have about FeLV+, he has helped me save many positives and for that I thank him. I miss my little Baidely boys so much already ... take care all. Give your special guys and extra special hug for Bailey. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: JuneAmy
Oh Pam, I'm so sad that she's gone. I was so pulling for her to become healthy and with us here on our earth. My deepest sympathy. Gloria At 01:52 PM 4/28/2006, you wrote: I have to believe that when our little ones cross the Rainbow Bridge reach the other side, the sick have left their suffering behind, the crippled can run play, the deaf can hear, the blind can see. Today JuneAmy can see. Pam
RE: Bandy has ringworm on his nose
I use Golden Seal tincture (not with alcohol though) and drip or paint it on the ringworm. It costs about $8, and it works great. And of course, one is supposed to clean pretty thoroughly... wash bedding and all that. Gloria At 02:22 PM 4/26/2006, you wrote: Kerry, The Herd had ringworm back in November. We didn't give an oral med due to the cost. we did use a shampoo twice a week and a spray daily. its made by malasebnad cost 23-26$ a bottle. holding wet cats isnt much fun but it did work. Karen pogo,teddy,stitch,oreo,houdini,bandit,boots,salem Bandy has been losing his hair between his eyes the last couple of wks..so I took him to the doctor Tues. and under the black light it showed to be green..She put him on the oral meds for it and a topical one, too..I am afraid of the oral med as it can alter the bone marrow. I don't know how he got it as I have never had any with it.. Is it because his system is so weak? We are still dealing with the anterior uveitis, too..It seems that it is going to be the chronic form and he will have to have meds for it the rest of his life...But now ringworm...I checked the archives looking for some info..But if any of you have any more suggestions about these meds he is on, please let me know...The oral med is for 40 days...that seems like a long time on such a strong med... Thanks for your help, Kerry, Bandy, Inky, and Angels Buster, Lil Rascal and Snoopy Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/postman7/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=39666/*http://beta.messenger.yahoo.comGreat rates starting at 1¢/min.
Re: mixing
You'll get a mixed reply on that one. I have mixed, and will again - don't because I have foster kitties that belong to the rescue group. It's kind of a hot potato. Some vets euthanize the pos. Our rescue vet says he doesn't think it's that contagious (and I agree, I don't think it's that contagious). Lots of vets in between. And... some folks say vaccinate the negs, some don't. Gloria At 03:19 PM 4/24/2006, you wrote: So is eveyone here saying it is ok to mix my pos and my neg? Sincerely Carrie
Re: CLS question for Belinda
Kerry, I'm so sorry - I love my sweet doggies too, and it hurts to lose them. Gloria At 06:11 PM 4/23/2006, you wrote: I'm sorry Kerry. Sometimes things seems to come in good and bad cycles. I hope you're in for a good cycle now. t Kerry Roach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Belinda, I just wondered if my dog could be added to the CLS..I lost Snoopy on Thursday, April 20. He grew up with Buster and Lil Rascal..He would have been 11 on May 7. He suffered a stroke last Sat a week ago...I still have his sisters Buffy and Muffy..I raised the 3 on the bottle as their mom passed away 45 min after their birth..This was so suddened...no warning signs...and after just losing my 2 kitties, well, you all know how it is... Just wondered if he could be added since he was their friend.. Thank you so much, Kerry, Bandy and Inky
Re: positive for Carrie
Wow - BElinda, I've ordered their vit C, but only tried it for symtomatic stuff. You're encouraging me to try more consistently! Wow! Gloria At 03:43 PM 4/21/2006, you wrote: I've sent this link many times and will send it again for your benefit Carrie: http://www.belfield.com/article2.html I've actually spoke with someone who ordered this and ALL of her positives turned negative, she had 10 of them at the time. She has been FeLV free for over 5 yrs now. I have been told the only stipulation is that it takes as long as the cat has been positive to turn them negative. So for example, if the cat has been positive for 2 yrs, it will take 2 yrs to turn them negative. By the time I found out about it Bailey was positive over 10 yrs so I knew it wouldn't help get him negative but it is a very good immune system supplement too. I do give it to him for that, have been for about 5 months or so, unfortunately he got sick about the time I started it and has not fully recovered yet, but he is still alive and all of the problems he had except the kidney issue have resolved. We are still not sure what is going on with his kidney's all of the tests and xrays show nothing but he definitely has pain when my vet palpitates them. He is on a new chinese herb specifcally targeted for them for about 10 days now and so far I can't say I have noticed any change. My vet is back today from a continued learning seminar and I am going to make an appointment for him within the next few days. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
RE: New Special needs kitten
Poor baby. I like acupuncture too. Also, you might try syringing your kitty a little olive oil. Also - for older kitties, I've used Lactulose (by prescription) - it's great stuff for improving those hard dry stools. Also - could try syringing a little vitamin C (I've bought the stuff from Dr. Belfield at belfield.com) Gloria At 06:49 PM 4/17/2006, you wrote: Have you tries acupuncture? It has worked like a miracle for my babies in the past. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 7:29 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: New Special needs kitten No ideas here Karen, but good luck with the little fella. I'm sure he will flourish under your care. I'll keep little Ozzie in my prayers. :) Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today we got a 8 week old kitten..mean as the day is long (cause he is hurt) X-rays showed a broken pelvis. Dr Wilson says he has a excellent chance to walk again My problem now is to get his bowels working again. I used warm water last night as an enema and it worked. But his stool is hard as a rock anyone have any suggestion to safely loosen his stool? Please pray little Ozzie recovers. Karen __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: FeLV+ cat and FeLV- kitten in the same house
I feel the same way, Nina, and I know several who mix their kitties like that. At some point, kittens develop a strong enoungh immune system to deal with it - but I'm not sure what that point is. FELV virus dies when it hits the air, and I just don't think it's gonna pass to the kitten, if the kitten is isolated. Even so, I still think it would take a bite or something like that to pass it on. Just imho. Gloria At 05:28 PM 4/8/2006, you wrote: Hi Lance, I am usually a big advocate for mixing pos and negs in the same household. Here comes the but... Not when it comes to kittens! Esp kittens that haven't yet been vaccinated. Barbara is right, kittens have a way of getting into all sorts of places that are suppose to be restricted. I wouldn't risk the health of the little one. Adult cats have far less chance of contracting the disease and far better chances of clearing it if they do. Kittens and geriatrics don't have as strong an immune system and therefore are at greater risk. When I had felv in the house, I wouldn't have dreamed of bringing in a kitten. Nina Lance wrote: Hello all, My mother is considering adopting a kitten that needs a home. To the best of my knowledge, the kitten is FeLV negative. It's only six weeks or so old. Right now, my FeLV+ cat, Ember, is living in my room, and is kept away from the others. She's had a few jailbreaks, but I can be much more careful with her than I have been. The other cats in the house tested negative with ELISA a few weeks ago (see the Ember thread for the whole story). Anyway, I know generally what vets and others think of having a negative in a positive's house. I'm isolating Ember. However, the kitten will not have had her shots, and probably won't be ready for her first FeLV vax for another month. Even with Ember being isolated, and the kitten having no direct or indirect exposure (i.e. no one shares food, food bowls, boxes, water), do we run any risk of having the kitten come up positive just by living in the same house as my girl? Thanks, Lance
Re: OT: New journey-laying tile!!!
I have some tile - large blocks - on my kitchen floor, and it doesn't have a slick finish - it isn't very slick when wet, btw. Gloria At 05:44 PM 4/3/2006, you wrote: And it will be very slick when you get it wet. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]catatonya To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 12:42 PM Subject: Re: OT: New journey-laying tile!!! I went to Lowe's and Home Depot and looked at samples/prices that I liked and then knew more about what I was looking for at the outlet. Don't get anything shiny! Shiny will show stuff more. t wendy mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the tip on buying extra tile Tonya. I hadn't even thought of that! And hiring someone to lay it is something I hadn't thought of either. We have a pretty good networking through my church. I will ask there. We have a Dal-Tile outlet here in Dallas (at least I think it's an outlet). I think my husband and I are going to meet there during lunch today. My cousin told me this weekend (they have a new house with wood laminate) that the wood laminate shows everything and she hates it! I would hate to have a brand new house and already hate the floors!!! :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Fwd: RE: CHAT: We are looking for a Feline Leukemia Cat
OK Folks, do you know of any FELV cats needing home in the vicinity of Oklahoma City? Great opportunity for some lucky FELV cat - if so, email Cheryl at [EMAIL PROTECTED], Gloria Subject: RE: CHAT: We are looking for a Feline Leukemia Cat Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:57:47 -0600 To: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Cheryl with Forever Friends mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, you read correctly! We are actually looking for a cat that is positive for FELV, Feline Leukeima Virus. The cat needs to be in good health and not old. We had adopted out a FeLV cat to a wonderful lady, as a companion to her elderly FeLV cat. Well the elderly one has now passed away, so the lady is looking for a companion for the one left. Let me know if you have one, I think she prefers a girl, and I will forward your information. I know Teri is going to check on Spicey at PP, but we think she is FIV not FeLV. So let me know! Thanks, Cheryl FFHS
RE: Add Tad to the CLS
Thanks so much Hideyo, I appreciate that - Gloria At 12:12 PM 3/28/2006, you wrote: Gloria, I am very sorry to hear about Tad - I pictured you burying Tad and that made me cry ---Please know that Tad knows how much you care about him and everyone on the list also does care about Tad---he is at a better place now and I am sure that he knows how much you care about him. Love to you and Tad, Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 9:17 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Add Tad to the CLS Gloria, I'm sorry to hear about Tad. Poor baby. :) Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was hard on him to lose Tad, and hard for me too - I was so angry and sad and all that. Just hope that they've learned something about taking care of cats. We buried Tad this afternoon, in a lovely place, with stones on top, I got out a nice old pillow case with pretty embroidery. Sigh. Gloria At 06:02 PM 3/26/2006, you wrote: I'm sorry to hear about this, too. Anything that can be prevented by something as simple as keeping the cat indoors makes it hard to handle. As you said, Tad did have a long life. That's something to be happy about, though he should have had more time. I hope your friend is hanging in there. I know how hard it is. Speaking for myself, and probably many others on this list, our cats are our kids. Take care of your friend and yourself. Lance __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: OT: help-removing carpet due to kitty urine
I have hard wood, and it takes a LOT of water to make it buckle. It's got a finish on it, and yes, the claws racing around the house *does* scratch it up. It's superficial scratches, but then who wants to have their hard wood re-varnished (well finished) every couple of years. Wonder about those people at Lowes though - we're talking SOAKED with water to make it buckle.. Course if you want something impenetrable - ceramic tile. Gloria At 01:07 PM 3/28/2006, you wrote: I have asked the people at lowes about hard would. They said that real wood would buckle if you get it wet. If you find out anything different please let me know. I would love to have wood floors, but I would think that the kitties might use them for scratching and I have to mop with soap and bleach everyday. Sheila
Re: OT: help-removing carpet due to kitty urine
Tile is SUPER! At 01:53 PM 3/28/2006, you wrote: Point taken Patti. Thanks for your input. I'm gathering all the info. I can so we can make the best decision. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hardwood floors + Cats + Dogs = VERY EXPENSIVE NIGHTMARE!!! Take my advice, save the $$$'s frustration, go with tile. You can always put down washable throw rugs.. Scratches, urine, forget it. You'll be heartbroken. (I had HORRENDOUS scratches, from the dogs, on FIRST DAY!!! ) UghBig mistake. Patti __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Subject: Add Tad to the CLS
Thanks, Carla - will do. At 09:25 AM 3/27/2006, you wrote: Gloria Please let your friend know that I am very sorry for your loss of her sweet guy Tad. Carla Message: 6 Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 10:24:38 -0600 From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Add Tad to the CLS To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed
Re: Add Tad to the CLS
Thank you, Tonya, you're so right. Gloria At 07:46 PM 3/27/2006, you wrote: That is so sad Gloria. Please give my condolences to your friend. I came home today to an 'accident'. No. It's not pleasant. But people have babies and children who have accidents all the time and they don't give them away or put them outside. People just make me so mad. t Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gloria, I'm sorry to hear about Tad. You're friend must be so upset with his parents because of what happened. It's so sad that not everyone is as understanding and indulgent about living with a loved one that happens to be a different species. I wonder if your friend will consider having their parents sleep in the back yard if/when they become incontinent. I don't know Gloria, one of the first things that went through my head was that Tad at least crossed quickly and he was living his last days the way he wanted to. Not much consolation to a grieving fur-parent though. Please send your friend my condolences, N Gloria Lane wrote: Please add my friend's cat Tad (not FELV) to the Candlelight list. Tad was older - about 16, a pretty yellow-orange cat with a sweet disposition. He was injured while being outdoors several weeks ago. My friend said he was going to keep Tad inside after that, but they didn't. There was problems of Tad peeing on the carpet, so my friend's older mom and dad started letting Tad out after supper. He was hit be a car on their busy street and killed. I'm just really sad and angry about this since it could have been prevented. I am comforted to know that at least Tad had a long happy life. Gloria
Re: Prayers needed Walter and Demetri
Sherry, I'm sending out prayers for Walter and Demetri. I know how you feel. Gloria At 10:02 PM 3/27/2006, you wrote: Hi all,just need a few prayers for a couple of our Sanctuary kitties.Walter is an older guy with failing kidneys but no other diseases.And my sweet Demetri is a felv+ boy,who I have become attached to,his lymphnodes are huge.I am hoping just an infection,but Jen took him to the clinic today before I got to see him and I am so scared that I may not see him again.I know I should think positive,but I am so worried.so I knew if I asked you wonderful people for prayers he would stand a better chance. :) Thank you all Sherry Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.
Re: Interferon Omega - info for person wanting help
Hey Lance, glad to see you made it to this list... Gloria in Little Rock At 04:38 PM 3/26/2006, you wrote: the outcome was simply a miracle on paws... What was the outcome? Is there a thread I should check to read more about it? Paolo or anyone else can reply to me here or off-list at my address if this has been discussed very much. I'm new to the list, as my cat recently tested positive with ELISA, so I'm anxiously looking for options that might help her. Thanks, Lance
Re: Add Tad to the CLS
It was hard on him to lose Tad, and hard for me too - I was so angry and sad and all that. Just hope that they've learned something about taking care of cats. We buried Tad this afternoon, in a lovely place, with stones on top, I got out a nice old pillow case with pretty embroidery. Sigh. Gloria At 06:02 PM 3/26/2006, you wrote: I'm sorry to hear about this, too. Anything that can be prevented by something as simple as keeping the cat indoors makes it hard to handle. As you said, Tad did have a long life. That's something to be happy about, though he should have had more time. I hope your friend is hanging in there. I know how hard it is. Speaking for myself, and probably many others on this list, our cats are our kids. Take care of your friend and yourself. Lance
Re: Jackson Co Shelter, MI selling pets for research?
I tried to send them a message, but their web site had a technical difficulty. Maybe they really don't want people to contact them. Gloria At 06:07 PM 3/26/2006, you wrote: nothing that anyone has been able to do far has made any difference; they just don't care and clearly aren't concerned with what other people might think i think it's good that people get to see such arrogance, actually On 3/26/06, Chris mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didn't mean to offend anybody in Michigantoo sadly, I know they are not uniquejust never quite seen it posted right out there like that! Chris mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 4:15 PM To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Jackson Co Shelter, MI selling pets for research? oh, darling, we in michigan are VERY well aware of this -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
IN Houston - Bengal cat 'Moon Pie' FELV
Just checking again - are there any of the Texas folks out there who can help this FELV purebred Bengal, 1 year old...? Gloria At 11:10 AM 3/21/2006, you wrote: This kitty is in Houston. If anyone is interested at all if you will email me individually (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]) I will send consolidated.net Subject: Fw: Bengal cat 'Moon Pie' Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 10:36:27 -0600 - Original Message - From: MORSE, ROY F [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Janet Cain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 10:21 AM Subject: Bengal cat 'Moon Pie' Janet, Just got the results back from the IFA and organ tests...Bad news...the IFA was positive...good news...his organs seemed to be in good shape. The Vet said Moon Pie could stay the rest of the week at the discounted boarding fee and indefinitely at the regular price. The office staff said he was adjusting well to being handled and was less panicked with his surroundings. I have been visiting twice daily to pet and talk to him and it seems to help. Moon Pie is such a sweet cat and deserves so much more than what he started with. Some foster family would be lucky to get to know this lovable feline. Let's make this wish come true. Janet, if you would, please forward this update to all interested parties in your email list. Thanks for all your concern and help. Karen
Re: Feliway cost?!
Wow - some great prices! At 11:56 AM 3/17/2006, you wrote: http://www.bizrate.com/buy/products__cat_id--31000200,keyword--feliway.htmlhttp://www.bizrate.com/buy/products__cat_id--31000200,keyword--feliway.html here's some good comparison prices--through the vet supply house we used at the sanctuary, we paid under $20 for the diffuser, and about $12 for the refills--obviously less than most places! On 3/17/06, wendy mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Kat and Gary for the info. It will help! :) Wendy --- gary mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can find both at many places online, I think I bought mine (the diffusser) from http://biovets.comhttp://biovets.com for 29.95 minus a 10% discount if you use the code VET10 when you check out. There may be places a dollar or 2 cheaper on the net, be sure to check on what they charge for shipping. Gary - Original Message - From: wendy mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 12:05 PM Subject: OT: Feliway cost?! Hi guys, I went to Petco yesterday to get fish food and looked at the Feliway spray and plug-in, but elected not to purchase either one, even though we could really use it, because they were ridiculously expensive. The spray was like 33$ and the plug in was 45$ (the refill for the plug in was $26 and only lasts a month). Does anyone here know where you can get Feliway cheaper and also, which one works better, the spray or the plug-in? Thanks, Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.comhttp://mail.yahoo.com -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Michelle/AOL
I'm really glad you checked - at least they get a heads up about how users feel and what they'll do... Gloria At 06:19 PM 3/19/2006, you wrote: I just had a live chat conversation online with an AOL support person, and she insisted that the new AOL policy will not affect emails from list serves that AOL customers joined. I told her I will switch providers if that ends up not to be true. But hopefully it is. Michelle
Re: loose stool
Used to be a nice article out there on diarrhea, and whether it comes from the small intestine or large intestine. There are characteristics of each, as well as accompanying solutions. Large intestine diarrhea is more apt to come in frequent spurts, and is helped by fiber. Small intestine is more likely to be further apart occurrences, and more likely to be irritation of the intestine. Can't remember the rest... Gloria At 06:50 PM 3/15/2006, you wrote: The w/d helped, so I feel certain diet change can help. I am worried more about what is causing it. I am hoping it is just a late breaking food sensitivity. I brought a stool sample today and am having her checked by the vet tomorrow. Thanks, Michelle In a message dated 3/15/2006 3:42:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It sure is. The Apple Pectin works about the same way. The stool sample might show any blood not visible to the eye. That would rule in/out some things. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Nina To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 11:22 AM Subject: Re: loose stool I've never tried Apple Pectin, but psyllium husk (is that what you meant Marylyn?), has helped others on the IBD list, (never helped Gypsy though). Taking a stool sample to the vet can't hurt, I guess it could be parasites, but that wouldn't explain it clearing up with a diet change. N
Re: Fw: [Special_Needs_Rescue_Cats] Geriatric Sanctuary Wanting FeLV Info
I didn't see the notice - That's Rita, in Memphis. I'll be glad to email her. Gloria At 09:03 PM 3/13/2006, you wrote: Did anyone send info to this person? Michelle In a message dated 2/27/2006 1:22:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: REPLY TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This person is NOT on this list, so please reply directly to her using the email address above!
Re: Immuno-Regulin, IV v. sub-q
Thanks, Michelle - I've been talking to Susan here in Little Rock about it's use both IV and Sub-Q. I'd be interested to hear what others experiences are. I'm sure the company isn't going to commit till they're satisfied their (and FDA) research requirements, which doesn't mean it doesn't work sub-q, and sounds like it can is effective sub-q. Gloria At 10:15 AM 3/5/2006, you wrote: FYI, I called the company that makes I-R, and they say that they only recommend using it IV because parts are absorbed sub-q and IM without being effective, i.e. it is more effective IV. That said, it seems to be working great for Smokey sub-q, so if anyone needs to give it at home it sounds like it is ok, though the company will not say it is. But in bad situations, I would try to get it done IV. I have been thinking about the 10 year old cat who has been getting monthly low dose I-R injections for 7-8 years, can not remember who on the list told us about her. I have been thinking of giving them to my two remaining positives. I am wondering if it could stimulate the immune system enough to keep the virus at bay and prevent the cancer and anemia that hits most of them before that age. But I would only do it if I could do it sub-q, and I just have not decided, given that we do not know if that is what has helped the 10 year old cat and the company does not recommend using it prophylactically or sub-q. Has anyone else been considering doing this? Gray thinks I shouldn't, just because it may have nothing to do with why that cat has done so well and I do not know what giving it sub-q and monthly, neither of which is recommended by the manufacturer, would actually do to or for them. (for instance, every sub-q shot carries some risk of infection or VAS, and this is a bacteria...) Though I also know that many drugs are successfully used off-label. I am leaning towards not doing it at this point, but am still thinking about it a lot. I would be curious to know everyone's thoughts on this. Michelle
Fwd: Re: [FeLVPositiveCats] Re: Question - IFA vs. Elisa...............
FYI - if anybody is in California and can help, contact Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 11:02:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [FeLVPositiveCats] Re: Question - IFA vs. Elisa... Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am in the San Francisco/Bay Area and the cat is in a foster home near Sacramento. We should be having her retested within the next few weeks. If she is FeLV+ and a good adoptive home shows up then we will find a way to get her there so I don't think geographical location will be an issue. Just as an FYI, this is a very sweet well-socialized black and white tuxedo girl. She loves people and is just a doll. She's about a year old, maybe a little less. So far she is the picture of health -- good coat and body weight, good appetite, not so much as a sneeze even after almost a month in a shelter cage. shari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: waht city do you live in...for placement purposes.. :) --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I see your point, to some extent. It's a little besides the point though. The cat has been in the foster home for close to two weeks now. She tested positive on the ELISA before leaving the shelter. I'll be having her retested with the IFA. I'm betting on that being a false positive on the ELISA. My concern was that she might have been exposed to FeLV when she was double-caged with the other cat who tested positive or that she mighthave gotten pregnant when they were cagwed together. I want to give her every chance of testing negative on the IFA and exposure to an FeLV+ cat or pregnancy could hamper her ability to throw off the virus if the ELISA test is even accurate. I have until July for this cat to test negative or to find a special needs adoptive home for her or get her into a sanctuary. The foster is a student and gone in August. Taking an FeLV+ cat into my rescue is a gamble and the odds became less favorable when the shelter put her in with an adult intact FeLV+ male cat. That was and is my concern. So, just in caseif anyone knows of a special needs adoptive home, or alternate foster home, or as a last alternative, sanctuary space for an FeLV+ cat, I may need it by summer. I hope not. She's a sweet, friendly, apparently healthy tuxedo girl. I have no intention of euthanizing a healthy cat. Period. But I would hate to have to cage her while looking for a placement. So let's hope she tests negative on the IFA or, if positive, suitable accomodations can be made by July. shari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'm not sure why you would change your mind...why not still take her in? were you planning on euthanizing her if you took her in and then if she tested positive on the elisa test you'd put her down? i guess i'm confused. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Susan Hoffman shoffman@ wrote: Here's a question -- I agreed to take a cat from a high-kill shelter who tested FeLV+ on the ELISA test. I have a foster where she will be the only cat. Figured we'd retest with the IFA in a month or so and do everything to support immune system functioning in the meantime. This cat is one year old, good coat and body weight and has not gotten so much as the sniffles in 3+ weeks at the shelter. Well, damned if the shelter personnel didn't double-cell her with another cat who tested FeLV+. Better yet, they parked this unspayed female cat with an unneutered FeLV+ male. They don't think she's gone into heat or mated but they can't be sure. Any opinions on whether I should still take her into foster care? I feel like the shelter has now stacked the deck against her. TenHouseCats TenHouseCats@ wrote:my understanding is that it can take a minimum of 3 months for the virus to work itself out of a cat's system--so a positive ELISA can mean nothing. unfortunately, i have seen info that says that an IFA, while more accurate than the ELISA, can stay positive as long as seven months before it too will show negative. ie, if one can hold the kitty long enough for retesting (something which most rescues can or will not do), doing so is the best answer. a big question would be, do you know enough about her history to know how likely it is that she may have recently been exposed to a positive cat--if she's an adult cat who is healthy but has been outside for the first time in the past few months, then she could well have been exposed during that time and the virus will process itself out of her system. if she's very young, or older and not healthy, her chances of being able to throw the virus off are diminished not necessarily bad answers, just not definitive! placing her in a home where she could be an only cat or segregated until retesting is possible would be a good choice; tho there is some debate about whether placing a possibly-positive FeLV in a home with
Fwd: Re: map of FELVtalk members - Frapper.com
Just a reminder! You can see (or add yours) where everybody lives at Frapper - and it has a new address - http://www.frappr.com/felvtalk/ I went and looked to see where Brenda's home is. Gloria Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:08:34 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: map of FELVtalk members - Frapper.com Well hmmm , I may have put it wrong on the email - it's http://www.risingconcepts.com/frapper/felvtalk/ Gloria [] []
Re: Angel Paassht
Becca - A beautiful Angel, I'm so very sorry for your loss. Gloria At 09:17 PM 2/28/2006, you wrote: She had fluid on her lungs and was already in respiratory distress. The vet didn't think she would last another night. We had to let her go. Becca
Re: Brenda Smith
Belinda, I'm shocked. What happened? I don't remember where she lived - easy to get confused about all of us being all over the place. I'm SO sorry to hear that - Gloria At 10:07 PM 3/1/2006, you wrote: Hi All, It is with deep sadness I must let you all know that Brenda Smith passed away this Monday. Brenda didn't post often so many of you may not be familar with her. She was a wonderful, loving member of this group for many, many years and recently adopted two positives Lovey and Merry in March of 2005. She was also in charge of the list emergency fund and the FeLV T-Shirts that the group sold, in fact she contracted the artist and company that designed and printed them. I've known Brenda for many years and am going to miss her immensly, her passing is a huge loss for the group. For those of you who did know her and would like to offer condolences to her family, you can email her address [EMAIL PROTECTED] and her daughter will receive them. This is a very sad week and heaven most definately has a very special angel today. I know she was greeted by many, many pets including her precious Suzy Q whose loss she never recovered from. Brenda enjoy all your babies and we'll all see you soon enough ... -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
RE: a name for my sanctuary
Hideyo - that's WONDERFUL - I'm so delighted to hear it. Maybe Kitty's Wish - or Angel Cats - Gloria At 04:44 PM 2/28/2006, you wrote: Hi, my dear friend, Nina it seems that its been such a long time to talk to you! Its so nice to hear from you. Is everything ok at your home? I love the name, Nina should I add something like Place for Angels Among Us From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 3:32 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: a name for my sanctuary Hello Hideyo, It's wonderful that you are getting your non-profit status! Hooray! How about Angels Among Us for a name? Nina Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: Hi, everyone, I am in the process of establishing a non-profit for my cat sanctuary and am looking for a name.. One of the names I thought of is A tabbys wish This actually means something to me lots of kitties I have and I have had are tabbies.. and would like to dedicate it to my tabbies who are in heaven right now (including suzi, Garfunkle, George, mama, and many more..) If you have other ideas for the name, I would appreciate it very much.. I am looking for something unconditional, peaceful, and strong.. Thank you!
Re: Ginger is gone
Michelle, I'm so sorry - thank you for writing about her, I know how deeply you care and how much it hurts. Gloria At 10:14 AM 2/22/2006, you wrote: Return-path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Full-name: Lernermichelle Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:13:30 EST Subject: Ginger is gone To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=-1140624810 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 She never regained consciousness after the MRI. She started breathing some on her own, but not enough to get sufficient oxygen without the machine. After several hours all the vets said there was no way she was going to regain consciousness, and also that the mass in her brain was so big, after the neurologist actually looked at the pictures rather than just the report, that she said even if it was an infection rather than a tumor there was nothing she could do. She said that it was so large that the slight increase in brain pressure from the anesthesia made her brain herniate and part of it go out through the back of her skull. Gray and I stayed with her for an hour or so while she was on the breathing machine, and talked to her and told her how much we loved her, and reminded her of what a good life she had had and how happy she had been, and told her we did not want her to suffer, and asked her forgiveness, and then euthanized her. We took her home wrapped in a blanket and I slept next to her last night and then this morning we buried her next to the stream and waterfall in our back yard, in the woods, where she used to sit for hours watching the waterfall. We are in total shock. I have been fussing for months over Lucy, with her IBD and bladder stones, and Patches, with her teeth and her UTI's, and have paid less attention to Ginger because she seemed to be doing so well. Just Saturday morning we were laughing at her because she was racing around the house, chasing a pen, and then bothering Lucy to play with her. Apparently she had a large brain tumor then and it just had not affected an important part of the brain yet. When she started acting sick Saturday night and I took her to the ER on Sunday, and then to another ER on Monday and had her seen by an internist, the vets all told me that she had probably just ingested something and had mild gastroenteritis and it would work itself out. But she had a brain tumor the whole time. I do not know how old she was. If the shelter was right, then she was almost 7. I had her almost 4 years, and they said they thought she was about 3 when I adopted her. I think she had been there a year or two and had come in as an adult, with a litter of kittens who subsequently died from FeLV. I think it was her personality that kept her going for so long. She was always happy, had no malice toward anyone, and acted like a kitten her whole life. I have never in my life seen a cat who played so much. She literally was fascinated by everything, and saw everything as a toy. She loved watching the toilets flush, and the printer print, played with our shoelaces when we put our shoes on, chased pens and peanuts and a little plastic Easter egg around the house. Even at the first ER on Sunday morning, when she was feeling too sick to eat, I got her to play in the examination room while we waited for her test results, with a piece of string tied to a q-tip. Last April, when her teeth got so bad she could not eat and needed 10 removed surgically, and right afterwards when she had a bad URI that lasted for weeks and I had to syringe feed her, she was still playing the whole time. She was joyful, and the life of our house. The house feels so empty without her. She was also Simon's best friend. Until he died last February, the two of them played all day long. She used to go up to him and put her arm over his neck, like putting him in a head lock, and then the two of them would tumble and chase each other, run up the cat tree at the same time while batting at each other, chase each other up the tree in their yard. She used to climb that tree, and one here in our new house as well. She loved watching the waterfall in the woods behind our house, and staring at the frogs in the little pond in the backyard during the summer. She never hunted, but she did catch one of the frogs one time and carried him around until we saw her and got her to release him unhurt. She truly bore no malice toward anyone, had very little fear, and was always ready for an adventure. When she was recuperating last spring from her dental surgery and URI and I brought her down to my mom's so I could tend to my horse Pepsi as she was dying, my mother was amazed that she was not at all scared of being in a new house and just walked around the room
Fwd: FELV+ CAT TRANSPORT FROM JAMESTOWN NY TO HARRISBURG PA
From the FelvPositive list - anybody available? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: COLLEEN [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:56:03 - Subject: [FeLVPositiveCats] FELV + CAT TRANSPORT FROM JAMESTOWN NY TO HARRISBURG PA I AM TRYING TO FIND HELP TRANSPORTING A FELV + KITTY FROM JAMESTOWN NY TO HARRISBURG PA. I HAVE NEVER SET UP A TRANSPORT BEFORE SO I AM A BIT LOST. HE WILL BE GOING TO THE BEST LITTLE CAT HOUSE IN PA. HE IS SUPPOSED TO BE THERE BETWEEN 12PM AND 3PM ON SUNDAY THE 19th OF THIS MONTH. I WILL BE ABLE TO HELP WITH TRANSPORTING HIM FROM JAMESTOWN INTO PA. IF ANY ONE CAN HELP I WOULD BE SO THANKFUL!! CONTACT INFO: COLLEEN BENSON EVENING # 814-663-1422 DAYTIME # 716-483-1762 M-TH EMAIL - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FeLVPositiveCats/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
OT - Baltimore rescues?
Anybody know any Baltimore rescues? I just talked to an 86 year old lady, just had some mini-strokes, and is feeding 9 outdoor cats in the north part of Baltimore. She also talked about the neighbors letting a little doggie out at night. I said, can't you call the city or a rescue? She's too infirm to know about that sort of thing. Anyhow - I'm looking for some support for her and her animals. I will, btw, look in Petfinder - just thought I'd check you guys out. Thanks, Gloria
Re: Gloria
I gave 250 mg(not 20) twice a day for maybe a week. Like I say, it was an old kitty, URI, no diarrhea. You might also check with Dr. Pitcairn's book, on maybe he has something online - one book is Natural Health Care for Dogs and Cats. Best of luck, Gloria At 10:14 AM 1/25/2006, you wrote: Gloria, Do you mean 2-20 mg daily of Vit. C? Thanks, Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey LJ - I use Goldenseal all the time, but only externally. I know it can be used internally, and have taken it myself, but it can make changes to your blood sugar, or blood pressure, or something (least with me it did - I started feeling weird and like I might faint and needed to walk around). So I'm cautious about it. When I was treating Lucy for URI a few years ago, I read to try 250 mg Lysine and 250 mg Vit C twice a day, and I tried that. She was an old cat w/ hard stools, and diarrhea never happened with her, it only was a benefit. I think the type of Vitamin C that you choose can be important - Some are buffered, so easier on the tummy. Then there are other variations I think. I personally am a big believer in Vit C - I take anywhere from 2 to 10 grams daily. It's great. You might check into Dr. Wendell Belfield's site re vitamin C for pets: www.belfield.com Best of luck, Gloria At 08:43 PM 1/24/2006, you wrote: Lots of people give vitamin c. It can only help. If you give too much it can cause diarrhea. Other people on the list can give you amounts. I'm not giving it right now so I don't remember. One doctor recommends 'mega' doses of vitamin c. There was just a post about a research paper on vitamin c and positives earlier this week right before you joined. I haven't read it yet. When I get to it (this weekend) I can resend it to the list for you if you'd like. t l.j. crabtree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MUWAHHH!!! from minnie!!! thanks ladies for this wonderful info!!! i will see what i can do independently and also check with the vet.. would giving vit c interfere with this? has anyone ever used goldenseal extract ( in glycerine) or is it sorta sketchy for cat kids with that whole herbal thing going on that doesn't seem to mesh with them)? i want minnie to be flying around the room with her wonderwoman suit on!!! actually to be more serious, i just want to do all i can to boost her immunity... is there anything that helps to boost their t-cells? i am a worrisome goober ( from va...we grow 'em here to tonya!! hehehe) much love and respect... LJ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: vitamin c
Hey LJ - I use Goldenseal all the time, but only externally. I know it can be used internally, and have taken it myself, but it can make changes to your blood sugar, or blood pressure, or something (least with me it did - I started feeling weird and like I might faint and needed to walk around). So I'm cautious about it. When I was treating Lucy for URI a few years ago, I read to try 250 mg Lysine and 250 mg Vit C twice a day, and I tried that. She was an old cat w/ hard stools, and diarrhea never happened with her, it only was a benefit. I think the type of Vitamin C that you choose can be important - Some are buffered, so easier on the tummy. Then there are other variations I think. I personally am a big believer in Vit C - I take anywhere from 2 to 10 grams daily. It's great. You might check into Dr. Wendell Belfield's site re vitamin C for pets: www.belfield.com Best of luck, Gloria At 08:43 PM 1/24/2006, you wrote: Lots of people give vitamin c. It can only help. If you give too much it can cause diarrhea. Other people on the list can give you amounts. I'm not giving it right now so I don't remember. One doctor recommends 'mega' doses of vitamin c. There was just a post about a research paper on vitamin c and positives earlier this week right before you joined. I haven't read it yet. When I get to it (this weekend) I can resend it to the list for you if you'd like. t l.j. crabtree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MUWAHHH!!! from minnie!!! thanks ladies for this wonderful info!!! i will see what i can do independently and also check with the vet.. would giving vit c interfere with this? has anyone ever used goldenseal extract ( in glycerine) or is it sorta sketchy for cat kids with that whole herbal thing going on that doesn't seem to mesh with them)? i want minnie to be flying around the room with her wonderwoman suit on!!! actually to be more serious, i just want to do all i can to boost her immunity... is there anything that helps to boost their t-cells? i am a worrisome goober ( from va...we grow 'em here to tonya!! hehehe) much love and respect... LJ
Re: Lucy
I do like slippery elm for these sort of things. Possibly homeopathic Nux Vomica also. I was also wondering if it was an issue with the intestinal bacteria, when the diet changed to raw food. I assume they just take time to adjust. Gloria At 12:26 PM 1/21/2006, you wrote: I'm feeding her the Feline Futures Instincts TC supplement mix with ground turkey from the health food store and ground turkey organs from Oma's. I have to partially cook half of it now, and then mix in the raw, because since I fed her cooked turkey after her fast she does not want totally raw food anymore. I do not know how much calcium is in the Feline Futures mix, or how much psyllium. I have been giving her slippery elm, but maybe I should add some fiber to the food as well. Michelle In a message dated 1/21/2006 11:38:21 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle, That's great news that Lucy isn't constipated. It seems perfectly reasonable to me that after not having a bowel movement for a few days, and then with it being hard as well, that there might be some irritation that would cause the blood. I would watch it closely though, this isn't the first time she's had blood on her stool. I remember several kitties on the IBD list having problems with constipation/hard stools after being switched to the raw diet. I thought it might have been caused by too much added calcium, but I know you were looking to avoid extra calcium in Lucy's diet. What are you feeding her? Nina
Re: FeLV cats need home
Keep in mind that on retest, the kittens may go negative - I've forgotten the time to retest - seems like it's 60-90 days. Gloria At 12:46 AM 1/16/2006, you wrote: where are you located? Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I volunteer for a group in Mississippi that rescues feral and domesticated cats and does TNR or adopts them out. I am the main foster home because I have a really big basement. Yesterday, I had 5 foster cats test positive for FeLV. 2 adult females and 3 kittens. Luna, Princess, Mocha, Hershey, and Godiva are all beautiful, healthy at the moment, loving, and playful. Right now I have them together in my gameroom. But I have 6 cats of my own, plus 6 other foster cats. I had to have everyone tested yesterday to find out who all had it. After that expense, I can't afford to do the IFA tests. I am paying for all this out of my pocket. I don't even have a job, I am a stay-at-home mom. Would anyone be interested in adopting any of them? All 5 of them get along great and could go together in any combination. The 2 adults are females and the kittens are 2 females and 1 male. They have all been spayed/neutered, had their rabies and FVRCP shots. I can send pictures if you want to see them. Sincerely, Julie Holeman jmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] ^,,^ Saving just one animal won't change the world but, surely, the world will change for that one animal! Yahoo! for Good http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.
Re: Please add Isaiah to Candlelight Service
Del, you have my deepest sympathies. You gave him a good life. There are so many things that we blame ourselves for, I know I do too. We do the best we can, and food a love go a long way. I know he's grateful for your loving care. Many blessings, Gloria At 10:33 AM 1/9/2006, you wrote: Please add Isaiah, he passed away last Wednesday, 1/4. He began coming to my house for food and on 13 December (after Shiloh, FeLV+ left for sanctuary because I'm out of isolation space) he moved in under the house and became very friendly. He was solid gray, maybe a year+ old, a sweet fella. I intended to have him neutered last week but he stopped showing up to eat. I found him under the house Thursday morning, he had probably died the day before, don't know of what, we buried him in the back yard. An opossum or something had snacked on him after he had died as there was no blood there, quite gruesome. I'm very upset about it and it's my fault, I should have looked for him earlier and maybe could have saved him. Thanks, Del
RE: Great news about my court case
Hideyo, yeaa, that's great! Congratulations on hanging in there, and looks like you (and we) are going to succeed! Gloria At 12:07 PM 1/6/2006, you wrote: Hi, Merry (my lawyer) called me this morning to share these great news about my court case regarding the pet limit law. The city is going to put a hold on the ordinance portion which specifies how many cats you can have at the city councilor meeting next Monday. Which means that, they are also going to drop charges against me for both civil and criminal cases as it no longer makes sense to pursuit it. Also, the city councilor who is working on new ordinance also agrees to drop the pet limit law from her proposal - she is planning to present her new ordinance at the city councilor meeting on 18th - IF, this ordinance is passed, Albuquerque will have no more pet limit law! I am going to meet with the city councilor, and Merry, and Viqui who is on advisory board on Animal services division next week before she introduces her new ordinance so that I can share all the research I have done to back up no pet limit law in case she needs to defend it during the meeting! I am just so excited about this! Nothing is 100%, but it's definitely going for a right direction!! Thank you everyone for all your support, and I will definitely keep you posted!
Re: FIV and calico
Well, it seems to be a question that there is not currently an known correct answer to, but folks are providing their own experience with colors and FIV. I have 5 FIV cats - 3 males, 2 females, no calico, no orange. Gloria At 05:53 PM 12/31/2005, you wrote: I am SOOO confused! lol. I don't remember who started this topic, but were they saying the majority of ALL fiv cats are calicos or the majority of female positives only?? Because I do know there are many more male fiv positives than females. So it wouldn't make sense if most fiv's are calicos because most are males and male calicos are rare. Does that make sense? Someone straighten me out!!! My fiv was black by the way t [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/30/05 11:41:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Our FIV+ girls are few (10% female, 90% male), but the majority of them ARE calicos.. Meaning, the majority of the positive females are calico
Re: I have a cat with FIV
Sounds like a good plan! Gloria At 10:42 AM 12/22/2005, you wrote: Well I canceled the vet today. With knowing that Fingers will test positive with the Western blot test if vaccinated. I wasn't close to my uncle. So i don't know Fingers History. My uncle had a few girlfriends and I have to guess the one of them bought him Fingers. So now I need to do some investigation. I will be randomly calling all vets in the area and try to talk to his girlfriends. I have more hope now. My uncle wasn't a huge animal lover, so him taking Fingers to the vet is somewhat unlikely. Though Fingers is spade so had to have gone to a vet at some point. And if vets are now giving the vaccination as routine shots then Im hoping that I can find records. Thank you everyone who has helped me. I'll let you know what I find out. erin On 12/22/05, Belinda Sauro mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have heard that if you vaccinate for FIV the cat will test positive thereafter. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.comhttp://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.comhttp://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/clshttp://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.comhttp://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.comhttp://bmk.bemikitties.com
RE: fund raising for my case
I'll contribute! Perhaps you could set up a Paypal account. Thanks for the address. Gloria At 12:20 PM 12/22/2005, you wrote: Thank you so very much, Kat - I just found out that there is someone else who also rescues cats here locally, became in the same situation I am in and she is panicking...(she has as many as I do, which is a lot) .. I am hoping that the outcome of my situation will help her case, too --- what I would really like is to change the law so that it will set a precedent to the rest of the sates (I know there was one in PA, and another similar case in Kansas or something..) My address is 212 Edith SE, Albuquerque, NM 87102 Thank you so very much, Kat! How are the baby (?)kitties doing?? Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kat Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 11:20 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: fund raising for my case Dear Hideyo, For all you've done for your kitties, and all the info you have shared with us, not to mention the support you give - Count me In!! Please send me a mailing address and I will send you a check. Kat (Mew Jersey) On Thu, 22 Dec 2005, Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 10:48:56 -0700 From: Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: fund raising for my case Hi, everyone, I just wanted to let you guys know that the update situation of my situation with the city regarding violation of the pet limit law --- I think I am going to need a lawyer and thanks to Michelle, I thing I might found a lawyer with animal right locally.. I don't know whether it ends up going to district court or not at this point, but I will have to hire someone to represent me regardless as the city has been trying to take an advantage of me to set me up for some things already. I also have a criminal case coming up and probably hire someone else to represent me --- All said, Greg, my boy friend thinks it could cost probably a few thousands dollars for both depending on how far it goes --- as I really cannot afford to go through with it without having a lawyer, at the same time, I am not sure how I can also afford that much money at this time So, here I am, I am asking if anyone could or will be willing to pitch in for the attorney fees for my cases - If so, please contact me! Thank you very much for all the support and prayers!! Hideyo
Re: advice needed re half-adopted cat
Hey Kerry- Chances are the kitty has *not* been microchipped by an owner who won't even let her inside when needed - and even if so I doubt if the vet would check it unless you asked him/her to. And if you take her to your vet as your cat, well... I also doubt if talking to the owner again would be useful - might even be counter productive. Sure she can help this kitty - Good luck - Gloria At 12:37 PM 12/20/2005, you wrote: Hi guys The same good friend who told me about the kitty with litterbox problems that was under threat of pts (apparently happily resolved, for now at any rate) updated me on another situation. Background: Misha is a stray that was sort of taken in by the people who work in a studio at the same business complex where my friend works. I say sort of because although two of the workers took her to the vet after she was badly attacked, and although they feed her, they don't take her home at the weekend: ie no one is actually making Misha their responsibility. In the summer and fall Misha would be found outside after they had all locked up and gone home for the weekend. When my friend, distressed by Misha's situation, offered to try to find Misha a home, the studio owner (who my friend says seems to be a reasonable, decent guy) rejected the proposal, saying that they had adopted her. Recently -- and it is really cold now--- my friend found Misha miaowing in vain at the studio door to be let in. My friend knocked on the door, and one of the other workers (not the owner) opened it. When she explained the cat needed to come in, the response to her was Haven't you got anything better to do? Q--where do we go from here? If my friend just takes Misha, there's a chance a surveillance camera will record the action as it's a business location. Also, even if she did that, when she takes her to the vet, what happens if she's been microchipped by those people? Is the vet legally/ethically prevented from removing the chip and replacing it? Obligated to contact the people? My friend would not be keeping Misha as she's allergic to cats; she'd want my help in placing her in the shelter where I have a good contact. Not ideal but she would at least be cared for there. However, I'd need to know how to resolve the chip situation first. My friend's proposal was to talk to the owner again and try to make him understand that someone needs to take proper responsibility for the cat. My feeling was that if she fails, then she will be the first person he suspects if and when she kidnaps Misha. And the scene could turn ugly. Even if I were to find and rescue the cat when I happen to be passing by at the weekend the microchip Q still arises. (We don't know if she's microchipped -- is there a way for a layperson to scan her without vet involvement?) All input/info welcome on how Misha gets the care she deserves---I've no experience in this field---yet. But I know some of you heroes do. Kerry
Re: Hideyo's court case 19th
Hideyo, we're pulling for you! Wishing you all the best from Arkansas. Gloria At 07:47 PM 12/18/2005, you wrote: Dear Hideyo Just want to wish you all possible good luck tomorrow. I'll be thinking of you and sending zillions of positive vibes your way. love and hugs, Kerry
Re: Chrissy/Prissy on the bridge list
Absolutely - everything that you said - you expressed it so well. So frustrating, and hard to evaluate the adopting woman's emotional state. And I end up with such a duality of feelings. She mentioned something about wanting to consider another kitty. I'm just going to ignore her and not call her back, although I've thought about calling / writing the vet. Gloria At 01:31 PM 12/14/2005, you wrote: Gloria, First my condolences on losing Chrissy this way! It's so frustrating when people think they are doing the right thing, but don't bother contacting someone who they should know would be able to give them advice. I think you may be right, this had more to do with the adopter's emotional state than poor Chrissy's state of health. Shame on that vet for not encouraging her more vigorously to treat Chrissy, and shame on her for not contacting you. I've had adopters, that I thought were good homes do some horrendous things too, (One poor kitty has been declawed, it haunts me to this day). I can only imagine how upsetting this is to you. We try to do the best we can when placing them. It seems like no matter how hard we try, there are always going to be those that say one thing and do another. This is why I'm good at rescue and rehabilitation, and lousy at adoption. It's hard to have faith when there are so many people that don't react the way we expect, or would hope them to. I feel like hitting somebody, at the same time, I still feel sorry for the woman. If she were in front of me, I'm sure I could manage to feel sorry for her and hit her at the same time. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, the owner indicated that it was her choice because she herself has had kidney stones and knows how much they hurt. She was new to that vet, as she just moved (like 10 miles from her former place). From what she said, she was just adamant about it, thinking she was doing the right thing. I mentioned to her that bladder stones were different than kidney stones, but she just said she didn't want her to hurt. I think she was trying to do the right thing, without listening to others. She's just getting over her mothers death, and seems to be depressed. I think it was a bad decision for good hearted reasons. Sigh again. Gloria
Re: Chrissy/Prissy on the bridge list
I've been seriously thinking about getting microchips. Don't think anyone else in our rescue group is that interested, but maybe I'll bring the subject up again. Those are all good points - I may do that. The vet is maybe 15 miles away, and may not be aware of our cat rescue, so I do want to make him aware of that too, and our policies and our contract with our adopters (we always take our cats back if needed). Gloria At 05:50 PM 12/14/2005, you wrote: I don't know, I think I might talk to her about not being ready to take on the emotional hazards that come with the responsibility of holding another life in her hands. (I don't know if I'd put it that way!). She may just go get another kitty somewhere else. It sounds like she's in such pain that she can't bear to see anything/anyone suffer. Unfortunately that comes with life. She doesn't seem to have what it takes right now to suffer through the bad stuff to get to the good stuff. I'd certainly call, or write that vet to let him know there was someone out there that would have taken responsibility for Chrissy. Maybe he'll think about it next time someone wants to have an animal pts prematurely. Was Chrissy microchipped? You could suggest that he checks for a microchip before euthanizing anyone else. N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Absolutely - everything that you said - you expressed it so well. So frustrating, and hard to evaluate the adopting woman's emotional state. And I end up with such a duality of feelings. She mentioned something about wanting to consider another kitty. I'm just going to ignore her and not call her back, although I've thought about calling / writing the vet. Gloria
Re: Elderly woman overwhelmed with FIV + cats needs help finding res
OK - as I understand the message, she's in Minnesota, right? MC (Tenhousecats) is in Michigan, has volunteered with a large rescue there, and hopefully might have a suggestion - Gloria At 07:41 PM 12/14/2005, you wrote: I can't follow exactly what is going on with the testing and if it's fiv or felv. I thought I'd pass this on in case anyone knows of any rescues near this woman that might be able to help her? It came on a georgia cat rescue group list that I'm on. I will see if I can get more info. tonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I need your help finding FIV+ rescues for several cats that are in MN. I received an email from an elderly lady who is operating on no funds, no donations,and no help, 60 years old and on disability of $600.00 a month to live on and support 97 cats and kittens. She took 28 cats off a farm that were going to be shot. 13 were pg and they had 77 kittens. 28 died right away and she tested for feline with the Wetness test and 36 cats and kittens passed with a - but are positive because she had to retest every body, because one came up positive. It cost her $2000.00 to retest and give the - ones feline shots. 36 are now dieing of feline luk. She can not adopt any one out until she retests in 3mo. This has killed her financially as well as mentally, watching 36 cats and kittens die so sick. She also stated, Hard times is loosing 40 pounds in 3 mo when you only weigh 134 any way. Hard times is saving your perscription drugs to give to the cats, in smaller doses instead of taking them your self. Hard times is going to the food shelf so you can store up rice and macaroni so you can make large tasteless hot dishes to save on buying hard cat food, so you can feed yourself at the same time you feed them. At the end of her email she states, I do this on my own as no one cares about cats up here (MN) and they just shoot them. I hope you are doing better then me as I am living on the Grace of God only. She has been doing this for 13 years. This lady needs saving just as much as the cats do...if you know of a rescue that can help her out, please email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you, Michele When it comes to saving the life of an animal, trust no one other than yourself!! DO NOT THINK SOMEONE ELSE WILL DO IT!
Re: Chinese cat/dog fur-shopping for our pets?- depression-bridge list addition
Tonya, it so humbles me and honors us all that you did the right - though difficult - thing. But you did the right thing, and demonstrated to all those whizzing cars. It made people think - and maybe next time some one of them will behave differently Most important, you helped the poor injured kitty, the great thing. Thank you for doing the right thing, even though you suffer for it. The world can be a crappy place, but if we keep trying to do the right thing, it makes a lot of difference... Hugs, Gloria At 07:11 PM 12/14/2005, you wrote: ... And speaking of depressing Yesterday about a quarter of a mile from my school I saw a cat writhing in pain and bleeding in the middle of the road with cars just driving around it! It had obviously just been hit or it would have already been hit again. I stopped traffic (because I'm sure if I had pulled over people would have just driven around me and run over the cat again) and got out of the car and ran to the cat. It was crying and I was afraid really to pick it up that I might be bitten. But I didn't have much of a choice, so I picked up the cat and carried it to the other side of the road and laid it in the grass. It went limp, and I thought it was dead. It was bleeding horribly from its mouth and head. I knew it wasn't going to make it until I could get it to a vet, but I felt his heart beating steadily and he was still breathing... So I picked him up and fought the traffic back across the street. I mean with the bleeding cat in my arms--trying to cross the street--- people didn't want to stop and let me cross! I had to basically force people to let me back into traffic when I got in the car to leave (they were all going around my car by now again). I put on my flashers, I blew my horn. People would not let me pass, and it took forever to go about 2 miles to the nearest vet. I got the cat to the nearest vet who was luckily open. He's someone I know, luckily. I told them to please get the doctor to euthanize the cat. I couldn't believe he was still alive! It was just terrible. Well, the doctor came in and started checking him and said he thought he could help him. He said he had bitten his tongue and that was what had caused all of the blood. He was in shock, had a concussion. But the doctor said his heart and lungs sounded ok and he would see what he could do. I left the cat there and went to work. I wanted to go home after all of that, and had a bad cold and didn't feel well anyway. But there were no subs so I was told to stay. I called back later and the doctor had put pins in the cat's top and bottom jaws which were both broken. He had a ruptured ear drum and concussion. He had inserted a feeding tube, but said he was hanging in there. He felt if he could get him stabilized with the feeding tube he could save him. (All without charging me! He's a nice guy. That's the ONE good thing from this story.) He said things were looking good so far and they were taking good care of him. Anyway, today I called and they said the cat (they had named him Jaws. ha.) had died last night around 8:00. He was a gray tabby with a few brown markings and white feet. Very handsome. Now I feel guilty because I didn't stop after work and visit the cat again yesterday because I felt sick and just wanted to go home. A lot of my co-workers did say 'how awful' or they were sorry, or whatever, but they were just appalled that I decided I didn't want to go to the Christmas party after school. I am just so MAD about the whole thing. I don't know what kind of world we live in that people treat animals so horribly and people are so uncaring. I don't see how anyone who is the least bit aware of the suffering doesn't suffer from depression like I do. I feel like many people on this list understand me better than my friends and family. How DO you deal with the daily emails of animals being gassed in overcrowded shelters, people dumping their pets, people abusing animals. It is just so sad and depressing to me all the time. I can't just 'turn it off' and go 'be happy' and 'not think about it'. I feel like It's Christmas time and I hate the world. Merry Christmas... Maybe this shouldn't be on the list, but I would really like to know if others have a hard time handling or balancing your animals and any semblance of a 'normal, happy' life?? I guess it sounds like a 'martyr complex'. I don't know. It just seems like so very few people care about anyone or anything other than themselves. tonya BONNIE J KALMBACH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PLEASE CROSS POST Forwarded Message: Subj: LETTER - China's Dog/Cat Fur Markets Date: 12/10/2005 8:35:57 PM Eastern Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent from the Internet (Details)
Re: Chrissy/Prissy on the bridge list
Actually, the owner indicated that it was her choice because she herself has had kidney stones and knows how much they hurt. She was new to that vet, as she just moved (like 10 miles from her former place). From what she said, she was just adamant about it, thinking she was doing the right thing. I mentioned to her that bladder stones were different than kidney stones, but she just said she didn't want her to hurt. I think she was trying to do the right thing, without listening to others. She's just getting over her mothers death, and seems to be depressed. I think it was a bad decision for good hearted reasons. Sigh again. Gloria Wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Gloria, I'm sorry to hear about Chrissy. Do you think the vet recommended euthanasia for a bladder stone? Doesn't make sense. Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: gt; Belinda would you add one of my former fosters (not gt; FELV) to the Bridge gt; list? Name was Chrissy, owner renamed to Prissy. gt; She was a pretty little gt; exotic type kitty, silver gray with stripes and huge gt; eyes, adopted out this gt; past May.. Her owner found out that she had a large gt; bladder stone, and had gt; her euthanized, sigh. gt; gt; Gloria gt; gt; gt; __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Chrissy/Prissy on the bridge list
Actually, the owner indicated that it was her choice because she herself has had kidney stones and knows how much they hurt. She was new to that vet, as she just moved (like 10 miles from her former place). From what she said, she was just adamant about it, thinking she was doing the right thing. I mentioned to her that bladder stones were different than kidney stones, but she just said she didn't want her to hurt. I think she was trying to do the right thing, without listening to others. She's just getting over her mothers death, and seems to be depressed. I think it was a bad decision for good hearted reasons. Sigh again. Gloria Wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Gloria, I'm sorry to hear about Chrissy. Do you think the vet recommended euthanasia for a bladder stone? Doesn't make sense. Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: gt; Belinda would you add one of my former fosters (not gt; FELV) to the Bridge gt; list? Name was Chrissy, owner renamed to Prissy. gt; She was a pretty little gt; exotic type kitty, silver gray with stripes and huge gt; eyes, adopted out this gt; past May.. Her owner found out that she had a large gt; bladder stone, and had gt; her euthanized, sigh. gt; gt; Gloria gt; gt; gt; __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
