Need help with Cricket's diet
Hi guys, I am having a hard time getting Cricket to eat right now. He is drinking water some and some tuna juice, but it isn't much. I have been force feeding him baby meat foods the past couple of days. He isn't very happy about it, but otherwise, he is going to be too weak if he doesn't eat. I've tried tuna, salmon, goat's milk, yogurt, baby meat foods, and wet cat food-different varieties, and he doesn't seem interested in much of anything except for a little water and tuna juice now and then and some tuna flakes-just a little. I am hoping he is eating at night while I am sleeping or gone to work during the day, but if he is, I don't think it's much. I have three other cats in the house and it's hard to tell who's doing what. He doesn't have any mouth sores, and he is dehydrated just a little bit. He's on prednisone still, and still making rbc's, but his body is killing them as it makes them. He's still anemic. We don't have the $300 to do a blood transfusion, and that's not really an option anyway, since he is making his own rbc's and the vet said the transfusion might make his body try to fight the rbc's more. He's still walking around a little, but weak due to lack of nutrients. He still purrs and sleeps with me at night and goes outside to enjoy the air and sun, so I know he's still enjoying life somewhat. But I don't know what to do to get him to eat. Any ideas? Also, we're going out of town tonight and I have to leave him for 48 hours. I am worried to death. My best friend is going to stop by Sunday morning and give him his Prednisone and some fresh tuna, and we'll be home later that evening. Any thoughts or advice out there? Thanks so much! Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Need help with Cricket's diet
Wendy, I'm very sorry to tell you this, but from what you describe, if you leave Cricket alone for 48 hours, there is a good chance that he won't be around when you get back, or he will deteriorate considerably, (in 48 hours, he may do that even with you home to assist-feed him). His condition sounds grave to me and since he's not eating on his own and his anemia is so advanced, he really needs to be monitored and cared for. If you can't find someone trustworthy to stay with him, I'd consider bringing him to a vet that will be able to monitor him 24/7. Just boarding him at a regular vet that closes up at night with no one in attendance won't be enough and will stress him out without giving you full benefit. As far as Cricket not eating... It's so frustrating and upsetting dealing with a kitty that will not eat, unfortunately, I doubt very much that he's eating when you're not looking and refusing the tasty tid bits you put down in front of him. Usually when a kitty doesn't want to eat, they will more readily lap at food. They start that awful thing they do with picking up pieces of food and then spitting them out, like they've forgotten how to chew. Oh, it's so terrible, I know it is. Have you tried the liver shake that has been posted on the list? My Gypsy will sometimes eat if I stay with her and encourage her with soft words and strokes. Try warming the goat milk and foods you're offering, sometimes the added aroma and feel of warmth on their tongue helps. Also, if Cricket turns his nose up and walks away, follow him and put the bowl down in front of him. I don't know why, but sometimes they seem to have to think about it and when they are immediately offered food again, they'll eat. For some reason they sometimes will prefer a bowl over a plate and visa versa, try switching what you are serving the food on. Offer the tiniest little bits of food, like a 1/4 of a teaspoon at a time, I think the sight and smell of a full bowl of food may be overwhelming for a kitty that doesn't feel good. I think sick kitties sometimes blame their discomfort on the food they are eating. That may be why they will suddenly refuse a favorite food, but might try something they've never eaten before, have you offered Cricket lunch meat in tiny little pieces? Also, assist-feeding will usually cause an aversion to whatever you are using, for example, if Cricket has always loved beef babyfood, he may not eat it after you've been forcing him to. Just something else to keep in mind. I'm sorry, my dear, I do know how hard this is. I certainly don't want to cause you any more upset than what you are already going through. I just wanted you to know that leaving him right now could have consequences that I wanted you to be aware of. If it can't be helped, it can't be helped. Everyone on this list is well acquainted with the what if syndrome. We end up beating ourselves up over things we had no way of controlling, we've gotten to be pretty good at avoiding anything that will later give us anymore guilt than what we end up suffering anyway. I'm thinking of you and feeling anguished for the two of you, please keep us informed. Nina wendy wrote: Hi guys, I am having a hard time getting Cricket to eat right now. He is drinking water some and some tuna juice, but it isn't much. I have been force feeding him baby meat foods the past couple of days. He isn't very happy about it, but otherwise, he is going to be too weak if he doesn't eat. I've tried tuna, salmon, goat's milk, yogurt, baby meat foods, and wet cat food-different varieties, and he doesn't seem interested in much of anything except for a little water and tuna juice now and then and some tuna flakes-just a little. I am hoping he is eating at night while I am sleeping or gone to work during the day, but if he is, I don't think it's much. I have three other cats in the house and it's hard to tell who's doing what. He doesn't have any mouth sores, and he is dehydrated just a little bit. He's on prednisone still, and still making rbc's, but his body is killing them as it makes them. He's still anemic. We don't have the $300 to do a blood transfusion, and that's not really an option anyway, since he is making his own rbc's and the vet said the transfusion might make his body try to fight the rbc's more. He's still walking around a little, but weak due to lack of nutrients. He still purrs and sleeps with me at night and goes outside to enjoy the air and sun, so I know he's still enjoying life somewhat. But I don't know what to do to get him to eat. Any ideas? Also, we're going out of town tonight and I have to leave him for 48 hours. I am worried to death. My best friend is going to stop by Sunday morning and give him his Prednisone and some fresh tuna, and we'll be home later that evening. Any thoughts or advice out there? Thanks so much! Wendy
RE: Need help with Cricket's diet
Where do you live, Wendy? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 11:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Need help with Cricket's diet Wendy, I'm very sorry to tell you this, but from what you describe, if you leave Cricket alone for 48 hours, there is a good chance that he won't be around when you get back, or he will deteriorate considerably, (in 48 hours, he may do that even with you home to assist-feed him). His condition sounds grave to me and since he's not eating on his own and his anemia is so advanced, he really needs to be monitored and cared for. If you can't find someone trustworthy to stay with him, I'd consider bringing him to a vet that will be able to monitor him 24/7. Just boarding him at a regular vet that closes up at night with no one in attendance won't be enough and will stress him out without giving you full benefit. As far as Cricket not eating... It's so frustrating and upsetting dealing with a kitty that will not eat, unfortunately, I doubt very much that he's eating when you're not looking and refusing the tasty tid bits you put down in front of him. Usually when a kitty doesn't want to eat, they will more readily lap at food. They start that awful thing they do with picking up pieces of food and then spitting them out, like they've forgotten how to chew. Oh, it's so terrible, I know it is. Have you tried the liver shake that has been posted on the list? My Gypsy will sometimes eat if I stay with her and encourage her with soft words and strokes. Try warming the goat milk and foods you're offering, sometimes the added aroma and feel of warmth on their tongue helps. Also, if Cricket turns his nose up and walks away, follow him and put the bowl down in front of him. I don't know why, but sometimes they seem to have to think about it and when they are immediately offered food again, they'll eat. For some reason they sometimes will prefer a bowl over a plate and visa versa, try switching what you are serving the food on. Offer the tiniest little bits of food, like a 1/4 of a teaspoon at a time, I think the sight and smell of a full bowl of food may be overwhelming for a kitty that doesn't feel good. I think sick kitties sometimes blame their discomfort on the food they are eating. That may be why they will suddenly refuse a favorite food, but might try something they've never eaten before, have you offered Cricket lunch meat in tiny little pieces? Also, assist-feeding will usually cause an aversion to whatever you are using, for example, if Cricket has always loved beef babyfood, he may not eat it after you've been forcing him to. Just something else to keep in mind. I'm sorry, my dear, I do know how hard this is. I certainly don't want to cause you any more upset than what you are already going through. I just wanted you to know that leaving him right now could have consequences that I wanted you to be aware of. If it can't be helped, it can't be helped. Everyone on this list is well acquainted with the what if syndrome. We end up beating ourselves up over things we had no way of controlling, we've gotten to be pretty good at avoiding anything that will later give us anymore guilt than what we end up suffering anyway. I'm thinking of you and feeling anguished for the two of you, please keep us informed. Nina wendy wrote: Hi guys, I am having a hard time getting Cricket to eat right now. He is drinking water some and some tuna juice, but it isn't much. I have been force feeding him baby meat foods the past couple of days. He isn't very happy about it, but otherwise, he is going to be too weak if he doesn't eat. I've tried tuna, salmon, goat's milk, yogurt, baby meat foods, and wet cat food-different varieties, and he doesn't seem interested in much of anything except for a little water and tuna juice now and then and some tuna flakes-just a little. I am hoping he is eating at night while I am sleeping or gone to work during the day, but if he is, I don't think it's much. I have three other cats in the house and it's hard to tell who's doing what. He doesn't have any mouth sores, and he is dehydrated just a little bit. He's on prednisone still, and still making rbc's, but his body is killing them as it makes them. He's still anemic. We don't have the $300 to do a blood transfusion, and that's not really an option anyway, since he is making his own rbc's and the vet said the transfusion might make his body try to fight the rbc's more. He's still walking around a little, but weak due to lack of nutrients. He still purrs and sleeps with me at night and goes outside to enjoy the air and sun, so I know he's still enjoying life somewhat. But I don't know what to do to get him to eat. Any ideas? Also, we're going out of town tonight and I have to leave him for 48 hours. I am worried to death. My
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Wendy, did you say you try Epogen on him? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 11:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Need help with Cricket's diet Wendy, I'm very sorry to tell you this, but from what you describe, if you leave Cricket alone for 48 hours, there is a good chance that he won't be around when you get back, or he will deteriorate considerably, (in 48 hours, he may do that even with you home to assist-feed him). His condition sounds grave to me and since he's not eating on his own and his anemia is so advanced, he really needs to be monitored and cared for. If you can't find someone trustworthy to stay with him, I'd consider bringing him to a vet that will be able to monitor him 24/7. Just boarding him at a regular vet that closes up at night with no one in attendance won't be enough and will stress him out without giving you full benefit. As far as Cricket not eating... It's so frustrating and upsetting dealing with a kitty that will not eat, unfortunately, I doubt very much that he's eating when you're not looking and refusing the tasty tid bits you put down in front of him. Usually when a kitty doesn't want to eat, they will more readily lap at food. They start that awful thing they do with picking up pieces of food and then spitting them out, like they've forgotten how to chew. Oh, it's so terrible, I know it is. Have you tried the liver shake that has been posted on the list? My Gypsy will sometimes eat if I stay with her and encourage her with soft words and strokes. Try warming the goat milk and foods you're offering, sometimes the added aroma and feel of warmth on their tongue helps. Also, if Cricket turns his nose up and walks away, follow him and put the bowl down in front of him. I don't know why, but sometimes they seem to have to think about it and when they are immediately offered food again, they'll eat. For some reason they sometimes will prefer a bowl over a plate and visa versa, try switching what you are serving the food on. Offer the tiniest little bits of food, like a 1/4 of a teaspoon at a time, I think the sight and smell of a full bowl of food may be overwhelming for a kitty that doesn't feel good. I think sick kitties sometimes blame their discomfort on the food they are eating. That may be why they will suddenly refuse a favorite food, but might try something they've never eaten before, have you offered Cricket lunch meat in tiny little pieces? Also, assist-feeding will usually cause an aversion to whatever you are using, for example, if Cricket has always loved beef babyfood, he may not eat it after you've been forcing him to. Just something else to keep in mind. I'm sorry, my dear, I do know how hard this is. I certainly don't want to cause you any more upset than what you are already going through. I just wanted you to know that leaving him right now could have consequences that I wanted you to be aware of. If it can't be helped, it can't be helped. Everyone on this list is well acquainted with the what if syndrome. We end up beating ourselves up over things we had no way of controlling, we've gotten to be pretty good at avoiding anything that will later give us anymore guilt than what we end up suffering anyway. I'm thinking of you and feeling anguished for the two of you, please keep us informed. Nina wendy wrote: Hi guys, I am having a hard time getting Cricket to eat right now. He is drinking water some and some tuna juice, but it isn't much. I have been force feeding him baby meat foods the past couple of days. He isn't very happy about it, but otherwise, he is going to be too weak if he doesn't eat. I've tried tuna, salmon, goat's milk, yogurt, baby meat foods, and wet cat food-different varieties, and he doesn't seem interested in much of anything except for a little water and tuna juice now and then and some tuna flakes-just a little. I am hoping he is eating at night while I am sleeping or gone to work during the day, but if he is, I don't think it's much. I have three other cats in the house and it's hard to tell who's doing what. He doesn't have any mouth sores, and he is dehydrated just a little bit. He's on prednisone still, and still making rbc's, but his body is killing them as it makes them. He's still anemic. We don't have the $300 to do a blood transfusion, and that's not really an option anyway, since he is making his own rbc's and the vet said the transfusion might make his body try to fight the rbc's more. He's still walking around a little, but weak due to lack of nutrients. He still purrs and sleeps with me at night and goes outside to enjoy the air and sun, so I know he's still enjoying life somewhat. But I don't know what to do to get him to eat. Any ideas? Also, we're going out of town tonight and I have to leave him for 48 hours. I am worried
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Ask your vet about Cyproheptadine. It's a cream that you put on the inside of their ear to stimulate appetite. I don't use it when a cat acts like they are hungry, just somehow unable to eat. If Cricket isn't showing any interest in food a stimulant might get him started again. Nina Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: Wendy, did you say you try Epogen on him? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 11:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Need help with Cricket's diet Wendy, I'm very sorry to tell you this, but from what you describe, if you leave Cricket alone for 48 hours, there is a good chance that he won't be around when you get back, or he will deteriorate considerably, (in 48 hours, he may do that even with you home to assist-feed him). His condition sounds grave to me and since he's not eating on his own and his anemia is so advanced, he really needs to be monitored and cared for. If you can't find someone trustworthy to stay with him, I'd consider bringing him to a vet that will be able to monitor him 24/7. Just boarding him at a regular vet that closes up at night with no one in attendance won't be enough and will stress him out without giving you full benefit. As far as Cricket not eating... It's so frustrating and upsetting dealing with a kitty that will not eat, unfortunately, I doubt very much that he's eating when you're not looking and refusing the tasty tid bits you put down in front of him. Usually when a kitty doesn't want to eat, they will more readily lap at food. They start that awful thing they do with picking up pieces of food and then spitting them out, like they've forgotten how to chew. Oh, it's so terrible, I know it is. Have you tried the liver shake that has been posted on the list? My Gypsy will sometimes eat if I stay with her and encourage her with soft words and strokes. Try warming the goat milk and foods you're offering, sometimes the added aroma and feel of warmth on their tongue helps. Also, if Cricket turns his nose up and walks away, follow him and put the bowl down in front of him. I don't know why, but sometimes they seem to have to think about it and when they are immediately offered food again, they'll eat. For some reason they sometimes will prefer a bowl over a plate and visa versa, try switching what you are serving the food on. Offer the tiniest little bits of food, like a 1/4 of a teaspoon at a time, I think the sight and smell of a full bowl of food may be overwhelming for a kitty that doesn't feel good. I think sick kitties sometimes blame their discomfort on the food they are eating. That may be why they will suddenly refuse a favorite food, but might try something they've never eaten before, have you offered Cricket lunch meat in tiny little pieces? Also, assist-feeding will usually cause an aversion to whatever you are using, for example, if Cricket has always loved beef babyfood, he may not eat it after you've been forcing him to. Just something else to keep in mind. I'm sorry, my dear, I do know how hard this is. I certainly don't want to cause you any more upset than what you are already going through. I just wanted you to know that leaving him right now could have consequences that I wanted you to be aware of. If it can't be helped, it can't be helped. Everyone on this list is well acquainted with the what if syndrome. We end up beating ourselves up over things we had no way of controlling, we've gotten to be pretty good at avoiding anything that will later give us anymore guilt than what we end up suffering anyway. I'm thinking of you and feeling anguished for the two of you, please keep us informed. Nina wendy wrote: Hi guys, I am having a hard time getting Cricket to eat right now. He is drinking water some and some tuna juice, but it isn't much. I have been force feeding him baby meat foods the past couple of days. He isn't very happy about it, but otherwise, he is going to be too weak if he doesn't eat. I've tried tuna, salmon, goat's milk, yogurt, baby meat foods, and wet cat food-different varieties, and he doesn't seem interested in much of anything except for a little water and tuna juice now and then and some tuna flakes-just a little. I am hoping he is eating at night while I am sleeping or gone to work during the day, but if he is, I don't think it's much. I have three other cats in the house and it's hard to tell who's doing what. He doesn't have any mouth sores, and he is dehydrated just a little bit. He's on prednisone still, and still making rbc's, but his body is killing them as it makes them. He's still anemic. We don't have the $300 to do a blood transfusion, and that's not really an option anyway, since he is making his own rbc's and the vet said the transfusion might make his body try to fight the rbc's more. He's still walking
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In a message dated 11/4/2005 10:33:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ask your vet about Cyproheptadine. Yes, it comes in cream or pill form. I have found it works wonders for the kitties that aren't eating. It's a cream that you put on the inside of their ear to stimulate appetite. I don't use it when a cat acts like they are hungry, just somehow unable to eat. If Cricket isn't showing any interest in food a stimulant might get him started again.Nina Terrie MohrTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverCheck sites for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttps://www.paypal.com/
RE: Need help with Cricket's diet
In Texas. --- Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where do you live, Wendy? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 11:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Need help with Cricket's diet Wendy, I'm very sorry to tell you this, but from what you describe, if you leave Cricket alone for 48 hours, there is a good chance that he won't be around when you get back, or he will deteriorate considerably, (in 48 hours, he may do that even with you home to assist-feed him). His condition sounds grave to me and since he's not eating on his own and his anemia is so advanced, he really needs to be monitored and cared for. If you can't find someone trustworthy to stay with him, I'd consider bringing him to a vet that will be able to monitor him 24/7. Just boarding him at a regular vet that closes up at night with no one in attendance won't be enough and will stress him out without giving you full benefit. As far as Cricket not eating... It's so frustrating and upsetting dealing with a kitty that will not eat, unfortunately, I doubt very much that he's eating when you're not looking and refusing the tasty tid bits you put down in front of him. Usually when a kitty doesn't want to eat, they will more readily lap at food. They start that awful thing they do with picking up pieces of food and then spitting them out, like they've forgotten how to chew. Oh, it's so terrible, I know it is. Have you tried the liver shake that has been posted on the list? My Gypsy will sometimes eat if I stay with her and encourage her with soft words and strokes. Try warming the goat milk and foods you're offering, sometimes the added aroma and feel of warmth on their tongue helps. Also, if Cricket turns his nose up and walks away, follow him and put the bowl down in front of him. I don't know why, but sometimes they seem to have to think about it and when they are immediately offered food again, they'll eat. For some reason they sometimes will prefer a bowl over a plate and visa versa, try switching what you are serving the food on. Offer the tiniest little bits of food, like a 1/4 of a teaspoon at a time, I think the sight and smell of a full bowl of food may be overwhelming for a kitty that doesn't feel good. I think sick kitties sometimes blame their discomfort on the food they are eating. That may be why they will suddenly refuse a favorite food, but might try something they've never eaten before, have you offered Cricket lunch meat in tiny little pieces? Also, assist-feeding will usually cause an aversion to whatever you are using, for example, if Cricket has always loved beef babyfood, he may not eat it after you've been forcing him to. Just something else to keep in mind. I'm sorry, my dear, I do know how hard this is. I certainly don't want to cause you any more upset than what you are already going through. I just wanted you to know that leaving him right now could have consequences that I wanted you to be aware of. If it can't be helped, it can't be helped. Everyone on this list is well acquainted with the what if syndrome. We end up beating ourselves up over things we had no way of controlling, we've gotten to be pretty good at avoiding anything that will later give us anymore guilt than what we end up suffering anyway. I'm thinking of you and feeling anguished for the two of you, please keep us informed. Nina wendy wrote: Hi guys, I am having a hard time getting Cricket to eat right now. He is drinking water some and some tuna juice, but it isn't much. I have been force feeding him baby meat foods the past couple of days. He isn't very happy about it, but otherwise, he is going to be too weak if he doesn't eat. I've tried tuna, salmon, goat's milk, yogurt, baby meat foods, and wet cat food-different varieties, and he doesn't seem interested in much of anything except for a little water and tuna juice now and then and some tuna flakes-just a little. I am hoping he is eating at night while I am sleeping or gone to work during the day, but if he is, I don't think it's much. I have three other cats in the house and it's hard to tell who's doing what. He doesn't have any mouth sores, and he is dehydrated just a little bit. He's on prednisone still, and still making rbc's, but his body is killing them as it makes them. He's still anemic. We don't have the $300 to do a blood transfusion, and that's not really an option anyway, since he is making his own rbc's and the vet said the transfusion might make his body try to fight the rbc's more. He's still walking around a little, but weak due to lack of nutrients. He still purrs and sleeps with me at night and goes outside to enjoy the air
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No, he's on Prednisolone and ImmunoRegulin. I hate to inject him with anything else. The vein in his right arm can't be used anymore, and I'm not sure how long they can use his left one to inject the ImmunoRegulin. He hates needles and fights horribly, even when his eyes are covered. Can Epogen be taken orally? --- Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wendy, did you say you try Epogen on him? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 11:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Need help with Cricket's diet Wendy, I'm very sorry to tell you this, but from what you describe, if you leave Cricket alone for 48 hours, there is a good chance that he won't be around when you get back, or he will deteriorate considerably, (in 48 hours, he may do that even with you home to assist-feed him). His condition sounds grave to me and since he's not eating on his own and his anemia is so advanced, he really needs to be monitored and cared for. If you can't find someone trustworthy to stay with him, I'd consider bringing him to a vet that will be able to monitor him 24/7. Just boarding him at a regular vet that closes up at night with no one in attendance won't be enough and will stress him out without giving you full benefit. As far as Cricket not eating... It's so frustrating and upsetting dealing with a kitty that will not eat, unfortunately, I doubt very much that he's eating when you're not looking and refusing the tasty tid bits you put down in front of him. Usually when a kitty doesn't want to eat, they will more readily lap at food. They start that awful thing they do with picking up pieces of food and then spitting them out, like they've forgotten how to chew. Oh, it's so terrible, I know it is. Have you tried the liver shake that has been posted on the list? My Gypsy will sometimes eat if I stay with her and encourage her with soft words and strokes. Try warming the goat milk and foods you're offering, sometimes the added aroma and feel of warmth on their tongue helps. Also, if Cricket turns his nose up and walks away, follow him and put the bowl down in front of him. I don't know why, but sometimes they seem to have to think about it and when they are immediately offered food again, they'll eat. For some reason they sometimes will prefer a bowl over a plate and visa versa, try switching what you are serving the food on. Offer the tiniest little bits of food, like a 1/4 of a teaspoon at a time, I think the sight and smell of a full bowl of food may be overwhelming for a kitty that doesn't feel good. I think sick kitties sometimes blame their discomfort on the food they are eating. That may be why they will suddenly refuse a favorite food, but might try something they've never eaten before, have you offered Cricket lunch meat in tiny little pieces? Also, assist-feeding will usually cause an aversion to whatever you are using, for example, if Cricket has always loved beef babyfood, he may not eat it after you've been forcing him to. Just something else to keep in mind. I'm sorry, my dear, I do know how hard this is. I certainly don't want to cause you any more upset than what you are already going through. I just wanted you to know that leaving him right now could have consequences that I wanted you to be aware of. If it can't be helped, it can't be helped. Everyone on this list is well acquainted with the what if syndrome. We end up beating ourselves up over things we had no way of controlling, we've gotten to be pretty good at avoiding anything that will later give us anymore guilt than what we end up suffering anyway. I'm thinking of you and feeling anguished for the two of you, please keep us informed. Nina wendy wrote: Hi guys, I am having a hard time getting Cricket to eat right now. He is drinking water some and some tuna juice, but it isn't much. I have been force feeding him baby meat foods the past couple of days. He isn't very happy about it, but otherwise, he is going to be too weak if he doesn't eat. I've tried tuna, salmon, goat's milk, yogurt, baby meat foods, and wet cat food-different varieties, and he doesn't seem interested in much of anything except for a little water and tuna juice now and then and some tuna flakes-just a little. I am hoping he is eating at night while I am sleeping or gone to work during the day, but if he is, I don't think it's much. I have three other cats in the house and it's hard to tell who's doing what. He doesn't have any mouth sores, and he is dehydrated just a little bit. He's on prednisone still, and still making rbc's, but his body is killing them as it makes them. He's still anemic. We don't have the $300 to do a blood
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Nina, Do you think that if the Prednisone isn't working well for appetite stimulation, then the Cyproheptadine might still work? I called my vet and they are going to call me back. Cricket is apathetic about the food; I don't think his mouth is hurting. He seems to have a little trouble swallowing, but not a lot. :) Wendy --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ask your vet about Cyproheptadine. It's a cream that you put on the inside of their ear to stimulate appetite. I don't use it when a cat acts like they are hungry, just somehow unable to eat. If Cricket isn't showing any interest in food a stimulant might get him started again. Nina Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: Wendy, did you say you try Epogen on him? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 11:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Need help with Cricket's diet Wendy, I'm very sorry to tell you this, but from what you describe, if you leave Cricket alone for 48 hours, there is a good chance that he won't be around when you get back, or he will deteriorate considerably, (in 48 hours, he may do that even with you home to assist-feed him). His condition sounds grave to me and since he's not eating on his own and his anemia is so advanced, he really needs to be monitored and cared for. If you can't find someone trustworthy to stay with him, I'd consider bringing him to a vet that will be able to monitor him 24/7. Just boarding him at a regular vet that closes up at night with no one in attendance won't be enough and will stress him out without giving you full benefit. As far as Cricket not eating... It's so frustrating and upsetting dealing with a kitty that will not eat, unfortunately, I doubt very much that he's eating when you're not looking and refusing the tasty tid bits you put down in front of him. Usually when a kitty doesn't want to eat, they will more readily lap at food. They start that awful thing they do with picking up pieces of food and then spitting them out, like they've forgotten how to chew. Oh, it's so terrible, I know it is. Have you tried the liver shake that has been posted on the list? My Gypsy will sometimes eat if I stay with her and encourage her with soft words and strokes. Try warming the goat milk and foods you're offering, sometimes the added aroma and feel of warmth on their tongue helps. Also, if Cricket turns his nose up and walks away, follow him and put the bowl down in front of him. I don't know why, but sometimes they seem to have to think about it and when they are immediately offered food again, they'll eat. For some reason they sometimes will prefer a bowl over a plate and visa versa, try switching what you are serving the food on. Offer the tiniest little bits of food, like a 1/4 of a teaspoon at a time, I think the sight and smell of a full bowl of food may be overwhelming for a kitty that doesn't feel good. I think sick kitties sometimes blame their discomfort on the food they are eating. That may be why they will suddenly refuse a favorite food, but might try something they've never eaten before, have you offered Cricket lunch meat in tiny little pieces? Also, assist-feeding will usually cause an aversion to whatever you are using, for example, if Cricket has always loved beef babyfood, he may not eat it after you've been forcing him to. Just something else to keep in mind. I'm sorry, my dear, I do know how hard this is. I certainly don't want to cause you any more upset than what you are already going through. I just wanted you to know that leaving him right now could have consequences that I wanted you to be aware of. If it can't be helped, it can't be helped. Everyone on this list is well acquainted with the what if syndrome. We end up beating ourselves up over things we had no way of controlling, we've gotten to be pretty good at avoiding anything that will later give us anymore guilt than what we end up suffering anyway. I'm thinking of you and feeling anguished for the two of you, please keep us informed. Nina wendy wrote: Hi guys, I am having a hard time getting Cricket to eat right now. He is drinking water some and some tuna juice, but it isn't much. I have been force feeding him baby meat foods the past couple of days. He isn't very happy about it, but otherwise, he is going to be too weak if he doesn't eat. I've tried tuna, salmon, goat's milk, yogurt, baby meat foods, and wet cat food-different varieties, and he doesn't seem interested in much of anything except for a little water and tuna juice now and then and some tuna flakes-just a little. I am hoping he is eating at night while I am sleeping or gone to work during the day, but if he is, I don't think it's
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About how much should it cost? Thanks! Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/4/2005 10:33:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ask your vet about Cyproheptadine. Yes, it comes in cream or pill form. I have found it works wonders for the kitties that aren't eating. It's a cream that you put on the inside of their ear to stimulate appetite. I don't use it when a cat acts like they are hungry, just somehow unable to eat. If Cricket isn't showing any interest in food a stimulant might get him started again. Nina Terrie Mohr TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Owner/Driver Check sites for available Siameses for adoption! http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html Petfinder.com Adopt a Homeless Pet! http://www.petfinder.com/ http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.petloss.com/ TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS https://www.paypal.com/ __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
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Yes, it could. I've had Cypro prescribed at the same time as Pred, so I'm assuming the vet thought it might help too. The main thing is to get them eating and to make sure they don't go completely without food. If they go without food for more than a 24 to 48 hour period, there is a danger of developing fatty-liver disease. N wendy wrote: Nina, Do you think that if the Prednisone isn't working well for appetite stimulation, then the Cyproheptadine might still work? I called my vet and they are going to call me back. Cricket is apathetic about the food; I don't think his mouth is hurting. He seems to have a little trouble swallowing, but not a lot. :) Wendy
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Well, around here it isn't expensive. Preds normally don't stimulate the appetite. In a message dated 11/4/2005 11:11:44 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: About how much should it cost?Thanks!Wendy Terrie MohrTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverCheck sites for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttps://www.paypal.com/
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I have found by giving both that it helps. Your Vet should be to give that to you. They do carry it in most animal hospital and clinics. Since you have taken the kitty in to see them you can go pick it up. Tell them it's urgent Cricket needs to eat. They do develop a fatty liver. If you have to leave make sure he is cared for someone that knows what they are doing. This is a very critical time! In a message dated 11/4/2005 11:16:40 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, around here it isn't expensive. Preds normally don't stimulate the appetite. Terrie MohrTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverCheck sites for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttps://www.paypal.com/
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Dear Nina, Thank you for all the suggestions. I wrote them all down and will do my best before we leave to try some of them. I am very torn about leaving to go out of town and leaving Cricket. I keep hoping my husband will tell me he doesn't mind if I stay with Cricket, but I know he won't. He doesn't understand my love for my cats, although now that he has this puppy, I think it is helping. We have had this trip planned for a long time. It's a ministry opportunity that my husband really wanted us to take advantage of. I also promised to take my nephew to see the Texas State Aquarium while we are there. I keep telling myself that I am going to make myself enjoy this trip, but if I had my druthers, I'd just say I'm not going. But I don't want to let my husband down. And, he's already feeling a bit left out because I have been giving so much attention to Cricket lately. It's all I can do to take care of Cricket, not neglect my husband, take care of my nephew and stay on top of him regarding his homework, keep the house up, love my other kitties, make dinner, work 40 hours a week at my regular job, take classes two nights a week, and everything else in between. I honestly don't know how working moms (not to mention single working moms) do it. I really don't. I tried to find the liver shake recipe, but all I could come up with was this: 1 cup raw liver (beef or chicken) 1 raw egg yolk 1 tsp. kelp or spirulina 1/4 cup fresh filtered water 1 cup fresh carrot juice, V8, or tomato juice Is this the right recipe??? Also, what types of deli meat do you think would be most desired by a cat? Thanks again for listening and for your time and all the wonderful suggestions. We are trying to hang in there. :) Wendy --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wendy, I'm very sorry to tell you this, but from what you describe, if you leave Cricket alone for 48 hours, there is a good chance that he won't be around when you get back, or he will deteriorate considerably, (in 48 hours, he may do that even with you home to assist-feed him). His condition sounds grave to me and since he's not eating on his own and his anemia is so advanced, he really needs to be monitored and cared for. If you can't find someone trustworthy to stay with him, I'd consider bringing him to a vet that will be able to monitor him 24/7. Just boarding him at a regular vet that closes up at night with no one in attendance won't be enough and will stress him out without giving you full benefit. As far as Cricket not eating... It's so frustrating and upsetting dealing with a kitty that will not eat, unfortunately, I doubt very much that he's eating when you're not looking and refusing the tasty tid bits you put down in front of him. Usually when a kitty doesn't want to eat, they will more readily lap at food. They start that awful thing they do with picking up pieces of food and then spitting them out, like they've forgotten how to chew. Oh, it's so terrible, I know it is. Have you tried the liver shake that has been posted on the list? My Gypsy will sometimes eat if I stay with her and encourage her with soft words and strokes. Try warming the goat milk and foods you're offering, sometimes the added aroma and feel of warmth on their tongue helps. Also, if Cricket turns his nose up and walks away, follow him and put the bowl down in front of him. I don't know why, but sometimes they seem to have to think about it and when they are immediately offered food again, they'll eat. For some reason they sometimes will prefer a bowl over a plate and visa versa, try switching what you are serving the food on. Offer the tiniest little bits of food, like a 1/4 of a teaspoon at a time, I think the sight and smell of a full bowl of food may be overwhelming for a kitty that doesn't feel good. I think sick kitties sometimes blame their discomfort on the food they are eating. That may be why they will suddenly refuse a favorite food, but might try something they've never eaten before, have you offered Cricket lunch meat in tiny little pieces? Also, assist-feeding will usually cause an aversion to whatever you are using, for example, if Cricket has always loved beef babyfood, he may not eat it after you've been forcing him to. Just something else to keep in mind. I'm sorry, my dear, I do know how hard this is. I certainly don't want to cause you any more upset than what you are already going through. I just wanted you to know that leaving him right now could have consequences that I wanted you to be aware of. If it can't be helped, it can't be helped. Everyone on this list is well acquainted with the what if syndrome. We end up beating ourselves up over things we had no way of controlling, we've gotten to be pretty good at avoiding anything that will later give us anymore guilt than what we end up
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I don't remember how much it costs, I don't think it was expensive. You only need a tiny little bit to see if it helps his appetite. You need to call your vet to ask if they think it's a good idea, why don't you ask them when you do? Don't be the least bit uncomfortable about calling your vet, that's what they're there for. Cricket is their patient and they should be holding your hand and helping you through all of this. It's human nature to want to help someone that is as caring and concerned as you are, they shouldn't mind if you call them often for advice. N wendy wrote: About how much should it cost? Thanks! Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/4/2005 10:33:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ask your vet about Cyproheptadine. Yes, it comes in cream or pill form. I have found it works wonders for the kitties that aren't eating. It's a cream that you put on the inside of their ear to stimulate appetite. I don't use it when a cat acts like they are hungry, just somehow unable to eat. If Cricket isn't showing any interest in food a stimulant might get him started again. Nina Terrie Mohr TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Owner/Driver Check sites for available Siameses for adoption! http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html Petfinder.com Adopt a Homeless Pet! http://www.petfinder.com/ http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.petloss.com/ TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS https://www.paypal.com/ __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
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Where in Texas are you?wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nina,Do you think that if the Prednisone isn't working wellfor appetite stimulation, then the Cyproheptadinemight still work? I called my vet and they are goingto call me back. Cricket is apathetic about the food;I don't think his mouth is hurting. He seems to havea little trouble swallowing, but not a lot.:)Wendy--- Nina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Ask your vet about Cyproheptadine. It's a cream that you put on the inside of their ear to stimulate appetite. I don't use it when a cat acts like they are hungry, just somehow unable to eat. If Cricket isn't showing any interest in food a stimulant might get him started again. Nina Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: Wendy, did you say you try Epogen on him? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 11:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Need help with Cricket's diet Wendy, I'm very sorry to tell you this, but from what you describe, if you leave Cricket alone for 48 hours, there is a good chance that he won't be around when you get back, or he will deteriorate considerably, (in 48 hours, he may do that even with you home to assist-feed him). His condition sounds grave to me and since he's not eating on his own and his anemia is so advanced, he really needs to be monitored and cared for. If you can't find someone trustworthy to stay with him, I'd consider bringing him to a vet that will be able to monitor him 24/7. Just boarding him at a regular vet that closes up at night with no one in attendance won't be enough and will stress him out without giving you full benefit. As far as Cricket not eating... It's so frustrating and upsetting dealing with a kitty that will not eat, unfortunately, I doubt very much that he's eating when you're not looking and refusing the tasty tid bits you put down in front of him. Usually when a kitty doesn't want to eat, they will more readily lap at food. They start that awful thing they do with picking up pieces of food and then spitting them out, like they've forgotten how to chew. Oh, it's so terrible, I know it is. Have you tried the liver shake that has been posted on the list? My Gypsy will sometimes eat if I stay with her and encourage her with soft words and strokes. Try warming the goat milk and foods you're offering, sometimes the added aroma and feel of warmth on their tongue helps. Also, if Cricket turns his nose up and walks away, follow him and put the bowl down in front of him. I don't know why, but sometimes they seem to have to think about it and when they are immediately offered food again, they'll eat. For some reason they sometimes will prefer a bowl over a plate and visa versa, try switching what you are serving the food on. Offer the tiniest little bits of food, like a 1/4 of a teaspoon at a time, I think the sight and smell of a full bowl of food may be overwhelming for a kitty that doesn't feel good. I think sick kitties sometimes blame their discomfort on the food they are eating. That may be why they will suddenly refuse a favorite food, but might try something they've never eaten before, have you offered Cricket lunch meat in tiny little pieces? Also, assist-feeding will usually cause an aversion to whatever you are using, for example, if Cricket has always loved beef babyfood, he may not eat it after you've been forcing him to. Just something else to keep in mind. I'm sorry, my dear, I do know how hard this is. I certainly don't want to cause you any more upset than what you are already going through. I just wanted you to know that leaving him right now could have consequences that I wanted you to be aware of. If it can't be helped, it can't be helped. Everyone on this list is well acquainted with the "what if" syndrome. We end up beating ourselves up over things we had no way of controlling, we've gotten to be pretty good at avoiding anything that will later give us anymore guilt than what we end up suffering anyway. I'm thinking of you and feeling anguished for the two of you, please keep us informed. Nina wendy wrote: Hi guys, I am having a hard time getting Cricket to eat right now. He is drinking water some and some tuna juice, but it isn't much. I have been force feeding him baby meat foods the past couple of days. He isn't very happy about it, but otherwise, he is going to be too weak if he doesn't eat. I've tried tuna, salmon, goat's milk, yogurt, baby meat foods, and wet cat food-different varieties, and he doesn't seem interested in much of anything except for a little water and tuna juice now and then and some tuna flakes-just a little. I am hoping he is eating at night while I am sleeping or gone to work during the day, but if he is, I don't think it's much. I have three other cats in the house and it's hard to tell who's doing what. He doesn't have any mouth sores, and
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Actually, I have seen Pred have a side effect of stimulating appetite. It might just be that they feel better and because of that want to eat more, but I've heard of it from others too. N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, around here it isn't expensive. Preds normally don't stimulate the appetite. In a message dated 11/4/2005 11:11:44 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: About how much should it cost? Thanks! Wendy Terrie Mohr TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Owner/Driver Check sites for available Siameses for adoption! http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html Petfinder.com Adopt a Homeless Pet! http://www.petfinder.com/ http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.petloss.com/ TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS https://www.paypal.com/
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Dallas --- Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where in Texas are you? wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Nina, Do you think that if the Prednisone isn't working well for appetite stimulation, then the Cyproheptadine might still work? I called my vet and they are going to call me back. Cricket is apathetic about the food; I don't think his mouth is hurting. He seems to have a little trouble swallowing, but not a lot. :) Wendy --- Nina wrote: Ask your vet about Cyproheptadine. It's a cream that you put on the inside of their ear to stimulate appetite. I don't use it when a cat acts like they are hungry, just somehow unable to eat. If Cricket isn't showing any interest in food a stimulant might get him started again. Nina Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: Wendy, did you say you try Epogen on him? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 11:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Need help with Cricket's diet Wendy, I'm very sorry to tell you this, but from what you describe, if you leave Cricket alone for 48 hours, there is a good chance that he won't be around when you get back, or he will deteriorate considerably, (in 48 hours, he may do that even with you home to assist-feed him). His condition sounds grave to me and since he's not eating on his own and his anemia is so advanced, he really needs to be monitored and cared for. If you can't find someone trustworthy to stay with him, I'd consider bringing him to a vet that will be able to monitor him 24/7. Just boarding him at a regular vet that closes up at night with no one in attendance won't be enough and will stress him out without giving you full benefit. As far as Cricket not eating... It's so frustrating and upsetting dealing with a kitty that will not eat, unfortunately, I doubt very much that he's eating when you're not looking and refusing the tasty tid bits you put down in front of him. Usually when a kitty doesn't want to eat, they will more readily lap at food. They start that awful thing they do with picking up pieces of food and then spitting them out, like they've forgotten how to chew. Oh, it's so terrible, I know it is. Have you tried the liver shake that has been posted on the list? My Gypsy will sometimes eat if I stay with her and encourage her with soft words and strokes. Try warming the goat milk and foods you're offering, sometimes the added aroma and feel of warmth on their tongue helps. Also, if Cricket turns his nose up and walks away, follow him and put the bowl down in front of him. I don't know why, but sometimes they seem to have to think about it and when they are immediately offered food again, they'll eat. For some reason they sometimes will prefer a bowl over a plate and visa versa, try switching what you are serving the food on. Offer the tiniest little bits of food, like a 1/4 of a teaspoon at a time, I think the sight and smell of a full bowl of food may be overwhelming for a kitty that doesn't feel good. I think sick kitties sometimes blame their discomfort on the food they are eating. That may be why they will suddenly refuse a favorite food, but might try something they've never eaten before, have you offered Cricket lunch meat in tiny little pieces? Also, assist-feeding will usually cause an aversion to whatever you are using, for example, if Cricket has always loved beef babyfood, he may not eat it after you've been forcing him to. Just something else to keep in mind. I'm sorry, my dear, I do know how hard this is. I certainly don't want to cause you any more upset than what you are already going through. I just wanted you to know that leaving him right now could have consequences that I wanted you to be aware of. If it can't be helped, it can't be helped. Everyone on this list is well acquainted with the what if syndrome. We end up beating ourselves up over things we had no way of controlling, we've gotten to be pretty good at avoiding anything that will later give us anymore guilt than what we end up suffering anyway. I'm thinking of you and feeling anguished for the two of you, please keep us informed. Nina wendy wrote: Hi guys, I am having a hard time getting Cricket to eat right now. He is drinking water some and some tuna juice, but it isn't much. I have been force feeding him baby meat foods the past couple of days. He isn't very happy about it, but otherwise, he is going to be too weak if he doesn't eat. I've tried tuna, salmon, goat's milk, yogurt, baby meat foods, and wet cat food-different varieties, and he doesn't seem interested
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Also, Cricket does like the 8in1 VitaKitty (something like that) vitamin supplement. He is eating a little bit of that at a time off my finger, but because it has vitamin E, it's probably like eating peanut butter to him. I wish I knew what flavor it was so I could try to replicate it in what I am serving him. I guess I could eat some myself... Any ideas here? --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I have seen Pred have a side effect of stimulating appetite. It might just be that they feel better and because of that want to eat more, but I've heard of it from others too. N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Well, around here it isn't expensive.* *Preds normally don't stimulate the appetite.* In a message dated 11/4/2005 11:11:44 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: About how much should it cost? Thanks! Wendy ** * Terrie Mohr TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Owner/Driver **Check sites for available Siameses for adoption! http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/_ _*Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group!* http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue**_ _ http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html Petfinder.com Adopt a Homeless Pet! http://www.petfinder.com/ http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.petloss.com/_ _TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS https://www.paypal.com/ * __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
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If staying behind truly isn't an option, then I suggest hiring a pet-sitter (insured, bonded etc)- a lot of vet techs will do this on the side - ask your clinic - ask the nearest 24 facility if they board - Cricket CAN NOT be alone this weekend! wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dallas--- Barb Moermond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Where in Texas are you? wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:Nina, Do you think that if the Prednisone isn't working well for appetite stimulation, then the Cyproheptadine might still work? I called my vet and they are going to call me back. Cricket is apathetic about the food; I don't think his mouth is hurting. He seems to have a little trouble swallowing, but not a lot. :) Wendy --- Nina wrote: Ask your vet about Cyproheptadine. It's a cream that you put on the inside of their ear to stimulate appetite. I don't use it when a cat acts like they are hungry, just somehow unable to eat. If Cricket isn't showing any interest in food a stimulant might get him started again. NinaHideyo Yamamoto wrote:Wendy, did you say you try Epogen on him?-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 11:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Need help with Cricket's dietWendy, I'm very sorry to tell you this, but from what you describe, if you leave Cricket alone for 48 hours, there is a good chance that he won't be around when you get back, or he will deteriorate considerably, (in 48 hours, he may do that even with you home to assist-feed him). His condition sounds grave to me and since he's not eating on his own and his anemia is so advanced, he really needs to be monitored and cared for. If you can't find someone trustworthy to stay with him, I'd consider bringing him to a vet that will be able to monitor him 24/7. Just boarding him at a regular vet that closes up at night with no one in attendance won't be enough and will stress him out without giving youfull benefit.As far as Cricket not eating... It's so frustrating and upsetting dealing with a kitty that will not eat, unfortunately, I doubt very muchthat he's eating when you're not looking and refusing the tasty tid bitsyou put down in front of him. Usually when a kitty doesn't want to eat,they will more readily lap at food. They start that awful thing they dowith picking up pieces of food and then spitting them out, like they've forgotten how to chew. Oh, it's so terrible, I know it is. Have you tried the liver shake that has been posted on the list? My Gypsy will sometimes eat if I stay with her and encourage her with soft words and strokes. Try warming the goat milk and foods you're offering, sometimesthe added aroma and feel of warmth on their tongue helps. Also, if Cricket turns his nose up and walks away, follow him and put the bowl down in front of him. I don't know why, but sometimes they seem to haveto think about it and when they are immediately offered food again, they'll eat. For some reason they sometimes will prefer a bowl over a plate and visa versa, try switching what you are serving the food on. Offer the tiniest little bits of food, like a 1/4 of a teaspoon at a time, I think the sight and smell of a full bowl of food may be overwhelming for a kitty that doesn't feel good. I think sick kitties sometimes blame their discomfort on the food they are eating. That may be why they will suddenly refuse a favorite food, but might try something they've never eaten before, have you offered Cricket lunch meat in tiny little pieces? Also, assist-feeding will usually cause an aversion to whatever you are using, for example, if Cricket has always loved beef babyfood, he may not eat it after you've been forcing him to. Just something else to keep in mind. I'm sorry, my dear, I do know how hard this is. I certainly don't want to cause you any more upset than what you are already going through. I just wanted you to know that leaving him right now could have consequences that I wanted you to be aware of. If it can't be helped, it can't be helped. Everyone on this list is well acquainted with the "what if" syndrome. We end up beating ourselves up over things we had no way of controlling, we've gotten to be pretty good at avoiding anything that will later give us anymore guilt than what we end up suffering anyway.I'm thinking of you and feeling anguished for the two of you, please keep us informed. Ninawendy wrote: Hi guys,I am having a hard time getting Cricket to eat right now. He is drinking water some and some tuna juice, but it isn't much. I have been force feeding him baby meat foods the past couple of days. He isn't very happy about it, but otherwise, he is going to be too weak if he doesn't eat. I
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Oh man, you are preaching to the choir when you talk about the overwhelming task of taking care of sick animals and at the same time trying not to neglect all your other responsibilities! I get you girl, I'm right there with you. You mentioned that your mom will be taking care of the puppy, how is she with cats? Do you think she might be able to babysit Cricket too? Yes, that's the liver shake recipe. Try a few different deli meats and see if he likes any of them, tell the folks behind the counter why you're getting them, that way you won't feel as foolish asking for tiny sample sizes. Get stuff you like, just in case :). During this last bout of Gypsy not eating, I walked down every isle of the grocery store thinking, hmm, would Gypsy like that? How about this? I stopped short of buying caviar, but I got every other type of food, in as small a quantity as I could. I got bay shrimp, Kieffer cheese and milk, sour cream, cottage cheese, fresh tuna filet, crab, liverwurst, (Gypsy does like chicken liver). The thing that got her started again was those bbq rotisserie chickens, smelly, fatty bbq chicken! (Stay away from the skin and bbq sauce, take the meat from deep in the breast). I've used KFC chicken successfully for trapping, so kitties must like the smell of that! As far as your hubby goes... It's a rare spouse that understands our devotion. Include him by telling him how very appreciative you are of his understanding. Reward him with lots of praise, if he does anything to help you. It is a very hard balancing act to try to attend to everything you need to do. Keep assuring him that this won't last forever and he wouldn't love you the way he does if you were the type of person that wouldn't give everything you could to take care of your responsibility to your animals. N wendy wrote: Dear Nina, Thank you for all the suggestions. I wrote them all down and will do my best before we leave to try some of them. I am very torn about leaving to go out of town and leaving Cricket. I keep hoping my husband will tell me he doesn't mind if I stay with Cricket, but I know he won't. He doesn't understand my love for my cats, although now that he has this puppy, I think it is helping. We have had this trip planned for a long time. It's a ministry opportunity that my husband really wanted us to take advantage of. I also promised to take my nephew to see the Texas State Aquarium while we are there. I keep telling myself that I am going to make myself enjoy this trip, but if I had my druthers, I'd just say I'm not going. But I don't want to let my husband down. And, he's already feeling a bit left out because I have been giving so much attention to Cricket lately. It's all I can do to take care of Cricket, not neglect my husband, take care of my nephew and stay on top of him regarding his homework, keep the house up, love my other kitties, make dinner, work 40 hours a week at my regular job, take classes two nights a week, and everything else in between. I honestly don't know how working moms (not to mention single working moms) do it. I really don't. I tried to find the liver shake recipe, but all I could come up with was this: 1 cup raw liver (beef or chicken) 1 raw egg yolk 1 tsp. kelp or spirulina 1/4 cup fresh filtered water 1 cup fresh carrot juice, V8, or tomato juice Is this the right recipe??? Also, what types of deli meat do you think would be most desired by a cat? Thanks again for listening and for your time and all the wonderful suggestions. We are trying to hang in there. :) Wendy --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wendy, I'm very sorry to tell you this, but from what you describe, if you leave Cricket alone for 48 hours, there is a good chance that he won't be around when you get back, or he will deteriorate considerably, (in 48 hours, he may do that even with you home to assist-feed him). His condition sounds grave to me and since he's not eating on his own and his anemia is so advanced, he really needs to be monitored and cared for. If you can't find someone trustworthy to stay with him, I'd consider bringing him to a vet that will be able to monitor him 24/7. Just boarding him at a regular vet that closes up at night with no one in attendance won't be enough and will stress him out without giving you full benefit. As far as Cricket not eating... It's so frustrating and upsetting dealing with a kitty that will not eat, unfortunately, I doubt very much that he's eating when you're not looking and refusing the tasty tid bits you put down in front of him. Usually when a kitty doesn't want to eat, they will more readily lap at food. They start that awful thing they do with picking up pieces of food and then spitting them out, like they've forgotten how to chew. Oh, it's so terrible, I know it is. Have you tried the liver shake that has been posted on the list? My Gypsy will sometimes eat if I stay with
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There are products to give to kitties that aren't eating, Nutrical is one of them. They have vitamins and corn syrup, (for energy). Some kitties like the taste and will eat it off your finger, or a plate. Ask at your local Petsmart for things that might help. I don't know what flavor they use in 8in1, what does it smell like? N wendy wrote: Also, Cricket does like the 8in1 VitaKitty (something like that) vitamin supplement. He is eating a little bit of that at a time off my finger, but because it has vitamin E, it's probably like eating peanut butter to him. I wish I knew what flavor it was so I could try to replicate it in what I am serving him. I guess I could eat some myself... Any ideas here?
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Wendy, Try to use carrot juice over V-8 as V-8 contains onion and it's not good for anemic cats at all. I am sorry that you are torn. But please somehow get a permission from you husband to stay with Cricket - I am sorry, since Cricket can't ask you verbally, I am asking you and your husband on his behalf. He really needs you right now and needs to say with him. He is fighting for his life so hard and he needs you to fight with him right besides him. He does not have that much time left with you. This is probably the most critical time for him ever in his life. Please please stay with Cricket not go away - if I lived in Dallas, I would take care of him for you. Even he stays at a clinic, he will be very stressed, and won't eat and I am afraid that stress will further weaken him. Please consider staying with him. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 12:24 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Need help with Cricket's diet Dear Nina, Thank you for all the suggestions. I wrote them all down and will do my best before we leave to try some of them. I am very torn about leaving to go out of town and leaving Cricket. I keep hoping my husband will tell me he doesn't mind if I stay with Cricket, but I know he won't. He doesn't understand my love for my cats, although now that he has this puppy, I think it is helping. We have had this trip planned for a long time. It's a ministry opportunity that my husband really wanted us to take advantage of. I also promised to take my nephew to see the Texas State Aquarium while we are there. I keep telling myself that I am going to make myself enjoy this trip, but if I had my druthers, I'd just say I'm not going. But I don't want to let my husband down. And, he's already feeling a bit left out because I have been giving so much attention to Cricket lately. It's all I can do to take care of Cricket, not neglect my husband, take care of my nephew and stay on top of him regarding his homework, keep the house up, love my other kitties, make dinner, work 40 hours a week at my regular job, take classes two nights a week, and everything else in between. I honestly don't know how working moms (not to mention single working moms) do it. I really don't. I tried to find the liver shake recipe, but all I could come up with was this: 1 cup raw liver (beef or chicken) 1 raw egg yolk 1 tsp. kelp or spirulina 1/4 cup fresh filtered water 1 cup fresh carrot juice, V8, or tomato juice Is this the right recipe??? Also, what types of deli meat do you think would be most desired by a cat? Thanks again for listening and for your time and all the wonderful suggestions. We are trying to hang in there. :) Wendy --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wendy, I'm very sorry to tell you this, but from what you describe, if you leave Cricket alone for 48 hours, there is a good chance that he won't be around when you get back, or he will deteriorate considerably, (in 48 hours, he may do that even with you home to assist-feed him). His condition sounds grave to me and since he's not eating on his own and his anemia is so advanced, he really needs to be monitored and cared for. If you can't find someone trustworthy to stay with him, I'd consider bringing him to a vet that will be able to monitor him 24/7. Just boarding him at a regular vet that closes up at night with no one in attendance won't be enough and will stress him out without giving you full benefit. As far as Cricket not eating... It's so frustrating and upsetting dealing with a kitty that will not eat, unfortunately, I doubt very much that he's eating when you're not looking and refusing the tasty tid bits you put down in front of him. Usually when a kitty doesn't want to eat, they will more readily lap at food. They start that awful thing they do with picking up pieces of food and then spitting them out, like they've forgotten how to chew. Oh, it's so terrible, I know it is. Have you tried the liver shake that has been posted on the list? My Gypsy will sometimes eat if I stay with her and encourage her with soft words and strokes. Try warming the goat milk and foods you're offering, sometimes the added aroma and feel of warmth on their tongue helps. Also, if Cricket turns his nose up and walks away, follow him and put the bowl down in front of him. I don't know why, but sometimes they seem to have to think about it and when they are immediately offered food again, they'll eat. For some reason they sometimes will prefer a bowl over a plate and visa versa, try switching what you are serving the food on. Offer the tiniest little bits of food, like a 1/4 of a teaspoon at a time, I think the sight and smell of a full bowl of food may be overwhelming for a kitty that doesn't feel good. I think sick kitties sometimes
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Hey Nina, Yes, my mom LOVES cats. She's feeding a group of ferals as we speak. I think I will call her and ask if she can come by on Saturday anyway to sit with Cricket. I bet she will if I'm very nice. I just hate to ask for help. I don't want to take Cricket over there because he is happy at home and I don't want to stress him out anymore. But maybe she'll come over. Caviar...lol I will try the Rotisserie chicken. I tried to give him a little part of a turkey leg the other day but he only sniffed at it. :) Wendy __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
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I tried to smell it this morning but it didn't smell much like anything to me. Where do you get your Nutrical. This Kittyvite is all they had at Petsmart, but maybe I missed it. --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are products to give to kitties that aren't eating, Nutrical is one of them. They have vitamins and corn syrup, (for energy). Some kitties like the taste and will eat it off your finger, or a plate. Ask at your local Petsmart for things that might help. I don't know what flavor they use in 8in1, what does it smell like? N wendy wrote: Also, Cricket does like the 8in1 VitaKitty (something like that) vitamin supplement. He is eating a little bit of that at a time off my finger, but because it has vitamin E, it's probably like eating peanut butter to him. I wish I knew what flavor it was so I could try to replicate it in what I am serving him. I guess I could eat some myself... Any ideas here? __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
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Yes, they do most of the big Pet stores carry it. If not go to the Vet's office or hospital when you pick up the other meds (appetite stimulate) and get it. Now they do carry it. In a message dated 11/4/2005 12:36:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think I got my Nutrical online, but I could have sworn I saw it at Petsmart too.N Terrie MohrTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverCheck sites for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttps://www.paypal.com/
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That will be a great idea if she can. Do you give Cricket fluid at all by the way..? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 1:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Need help with Cricket's diet Do you think your mom might consider coming to stay at your house while you're gone? I know what you mean about not wanting to ask for help, but this isn't for you, it's for Cricket. It would be better for the puppy and Pepper too! I think I got my Nutrical online, but I could have sworn I saw it at Petsmart too. N wendy wrote: Hey Nina, Yes, my mom LOVES cats. She's feeding a group of ferals as we speak. I think I will call her and ask if she can come by on Saturday anyway to sit with Cricket. I bet she will if I'm very nice. I just hate to ask for help. I don't want to take Cricket over there because he is happy at home and I don't want to stress him out anymore. But maybe she'll come over. Caviar...lol I will try the Rotisserie chicken. I tried to give him a little part of a turkey leg the other day but he only sniffed at it. :) Wendy __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
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Wendy, we all be praying for Cricket - please talk to him to get better and start eating! My Ginger listened to me - I stared at her and begged her to eat so that she will feel better - after two weeks not wanting to eat, she started eating a little bit yesterday. I am very proud of her. Please keep us posted about what your mom says. Love and hugs... Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 1:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Need help with Cricket's diet Hideyo- I definitely won't take Cricket to a vet for the weekend. I am going to see if my mom can go pet sit some with him. Thanks for your help and advice, especially about the V8- Wendy --- Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wendy, Try to use carrot juice over V-8 as V-8 contains onion and it's not good for anemic cats at all. I am sorry that you are torn. But please somehow get a permission from you husband to stay with Cricket - I am sorry, since Cricket can't ask you verbally, I am asking you and your husband on his behalf. He really needs you right now and needs to say with him. He is fighting for his life so hard and he needs you to fight with him right besides him. He does not have that much time left with you. This is probably the most critical time for him ever in his life. Please please stay with Cricket not go away - if I lived in Dallas, I would take care of him for you. Even he stays at a clinic, he will be very stressed, and won't eat and I am afraid that stress will further weaken him. Please consider staying with him. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 12:24 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Need help with Cricket's diet Dear Nina, Thank you for all the suggestions. I wrote them all down and will do my best before we leave to try some of them. I am very torn about leaving to go out of town and leaving Cricket. I keep hoping my husband will tell me he doesn't mind if I stay with Cricket, but I know he won't. He doesn't understand my love for my cats, although now that he has this puppy, I think it is helping. We have had this trip planned for a long time. It's a ministry opportunity that my husband really wanted us to take advantage of. I also promised to take my nephew to see the Texas State Aquarium while we are there. I keep telling myself that I am going to make myself enjoy this trip, but if I had my druthers, I'd just say I'm not going. But I don't want to let my husband down. And, he's already feeling a bit left out because I have been giving so much attention to Cricket lately. It's all I can do to take care of Cricket, not neglect my husband, take care of my nephew and stay on top of him regarding his homework, keep the house up, love my other kitties, make dinner, work 40 hours a week at my regular job, take classes two nights a week, and everything else in between. I honestly don't know how working moms (not to mention single working moms) do it. I really don't. I tried to find the liver shake recipe, but all I could come up with was this: 1 cup raw liver (beef or chicken) 1 raw egg yolk 1 tsp. kelp or spirulina 1/4 cup fresh filtered water 1 cup fresh carrot juice, V8, or tomato juice Is this the right recipe??? Also, what types of deli meat do you think would be most desired by a cat? Thanks again for listening and for your time and all the wonderful suggestions. We are trying to hang in there. :) Wendy --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wendy, I'm very sorry to tell you this, but from what you describe, if you leave Cricket alone for 48 hours, there is a good chance that he won't be around when you get back, or he will deteriorate considerably, (in 48 hours, he may do that even with you home to assist-feed him). His condition sounds grave to me and since he's not eating on his own and his anemia is so advanced, he really needs to be monitored and cared for. If you can't find someone trustworthy to stay with him, I'd consider bringing him to a vet that will be able to monitor him 24/7. Just boarding him at a regular vet that closes up at night with no one in attendance won't be enough and will stress him out without giving you full benefit. As far as Cricket not eating... It's so frustrating and upsetting dealing with a kitty that will not eat, unfortunately, I doubt very much that he's eating when you're not looking and refusing the tasty tid bits you put down in front of him. Usually when a kitty doesn't want to eat, they will more readily lap at food. They start that awful thing they do with picking up pieces of food and then spitting them out, like they've forgotten
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A lot of vets may carry it, too if you see one close. I am going to get one for Ginger at the vet today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 1:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Need help with Cricket's diet I tried to smell it this morning but it didn't smell much like anything to me. Where do you get your Nutrical. This Kittyvite is all they had at Petsmart, but maybe I missed it. --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are products to give to kitties that aren't eating, Nutrical is one of them. They have vitamins and corn syrup, (for energy). Some kitties like the taste and will eat it off your finger, or a plate. Ask at your local Petsmart for things that might help. I don't know what flavor they use in 8in1, what does it smell like? N wendy wrote: Also, Cricket does like the 8in1 VitaKitty (something like that) vitamin supplement. He is eating a little bit of that at a time off my finger, but because it has vitamin E, it's probably like eating peanut butter to him. I wish I knew what flavor it was so I could try to replicate it in what I am serving him. I guess I could eat some myself... Any ideas here? __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
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I might try nutrical, ad food, or even kitten formula to get more nutrition crammed into the smaller feedings. twendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys,I am having a hard time getting Cricket to eat rightnow. He is drinking water some and some tuna juice,but it isn't much. I have been force feeding him babymeat foods the past couple of days. He isn't veryhappy about it, but otherwise, he is going to be tooweak if he doesn't eat. I've tried tuna, salmon,goat's milk, yogurt, baby meat foods, and wet catfood-different varieties, and he doesn't seeminterested in much of anything except for a littlewater and tuna juice now and then and some tunaflakes-just a little. I am hoping he is eating atnight while I am sleeping or gone to work during theday, but if he is, I don't think it's much. I havethree other cats in the house and it's hard to tellwho's doing what. He doesn't have any mouth sores,and he is dehydrated just a little bit. He's onprednisone still, and still making rbc's, but his bodyis killing them as it makes them. He's still anemic. We don't have the $300 to do a blood transfusion, andthat's not really an option anyway, since he is makinghis own rbc's and the vet said the transfusion mightmake his body try to fight the rbc's more. He's stillwalking around a little, but weak due to lack ofnutrients. He still purrs and sleeps with me at nightand goes outside to enjoy the air and sun, so I knowhe's still enjoying life somewhat. But I don't knowwhat to do to get him to eat. Any ideas? Also, we'regoing out of town tonight and I have to leave him for48 hours. I am worried to death. My best friend isgoing to stop by Sunday morning and give him hisPrednisone and some fresh tuna, and we'll be homelater that evening. Any thoughts or advice out there?Thanks so much!Wendy__ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
