Re: Holistic Vets
He was diagnosed with FIP as well Tonya. I realize this apparently cannot be
diagnosed until after death but his culture and all other symptoms lead the vet
to diagnose him with that as well. He's had 2 shots of interferon now and is
getting ready for a blood transfusion this coming week. He's not feeling
terrific today, a touch of loose stools but this is a side effect of the
interferon. Other than being very tired he's purring his little head off while
resting.
Lynne
- Original Message -
From: catatonya
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets
I'm chiming in so late here, but I hope Boo is hanging in there. Has nothing
been said of the possibility of fip with the fluid, etc?
tonya
Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Kerry, when the vet first told us of his prognosis and offered euthanization
before we "bonded" too much with him, I told him, "I don't believe in
putt ing individuals suffering with the AIDS virus down so why would I want
to do this to a seemingly well animal". He thought that was pretty funny
and then agreed to do what we could to treat problems as they arise. I
suppose the majority of people who discover this about their pets do imagine
the worse and want to get over it quickly. I really like this vet on a
personal level. He seems very compassionate but like I told my husband last
night, everything we've done so far has come from us, not him. I am not a
vet, I shouldn't have to suggest blood work, antibiotics, lasix and fluid
aspiration. If I hadn't joined this group, BooBoo would be in the ground
right now. And yes, I don't care how frozen the ground is, or what kind of
contageous disease he has, he will be buried next to my dearly beloved Chuck
in a garden I have with forget-me-not and bleeding heart flowers in it.
Lynne
- Original Message -
From: "MacKenzie, Ker ry N."
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:13 AM
Subject: RE: Holistic Vets
I can relate to everything you say Lynne. You're doing everything in
your power to help BooBoo, but you're not going to let him suffer.
It's beyond me why so many vets can't think beyond euthanasia the second
a cat tests FeLV pos. It makes me want to say to them, so I take it
you'd recommend euthanasia for yourself if you were diagnosed with a
terminal disease? Yup, that's my vindictive streak!
I don't blame you one bit for emailing BooBoo's former "family". I hope
they do take a lesson from it. But, from everything you've said about
them they are not good people and I hate to think of any animal being in
their "care".
Kerry
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne
Sent: Wedne sday, February 20, 2008 9:18 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets
Thank you Jane. I think of all our members and what they are
experiencing
as well. I think it makes us all better people and caregivers.
Honestly I
think the vet was wrong to suggest to us as soon as Boo was diagnosed
that
we consider euthanasia. It would have been far harder on me if I had
not
given him a fighting chance. I still will not let him suffer and if
there
is any indication of that, BooBoo will be crossing that bridge. My
husband
has suggested I not let the previous owners know what is going on with
him
because they would just blame us anyway, but I felt this morning that
they
should experience at least a bit of the pain that we have because of
their
neglect/stupidity. So I did email them outlining all of the tests he's
been
through, the suffering he has experienced with his breathing, all the
na sty
details including the financial impact. I'm not as kind as my husband
is
and unfortunately I do have a vindictive side to me. I ended my email
by
saying you should have all your animals tested and/or vaccinated so you
won't have to experience this agony.
Lynne
- Original Message -
From: "Jane Lyons"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: Holistic Vets
> Lynne
> I am thinking of you and BooBoo. I know how stressful this is for the
> both of you.
> He is on his own path and is so lucky to know what caring and love
> feels like.
> Take care of yourself.
>
> Jane
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:11 AM, Lynne wrote:
>
> > Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended
> > something
> > ca
Re: Holistic Vets
I'm chiming in so late here, but I hope Boo is hanging in there. Has nothing been said of the possibility of fip with the fluid, etc? tonya Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kerry, when the vet first told us of his prognosis and offered euthanization before we "bonded" too much with him, I told him, "I don't believe in putting individuals suffering with the AIDS virus down so why would I want to do this to a seemingly well animal". He thought that was pretty funny and then agreed to do what we could to treat problems as they arise. I suppose the majority of people who discover this about their pets do imagine the worse and want to get over it quickly. I really like this vet on a personal level. He seems very compassionate but like I told my husband last night, everything we've done so far has come from us, not him. I am not a vet, I shouldn't have to suggest blood work, antibiotics, lasix and fluid aspiration. If I hadn't joined this group, BooBoo would be in the ground right now. And yes, I don't care how frozen the ground is, or what kind of contageous disease he has, he will be buried next to my dearly beloved Chuck in a garden I have with forget-me-not and bleeding heart flowers in it. Lynne - Original Message - From: "MacKenzie, Kerry N." To: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:13 AM Subject: RE: Holistic Vets I can relate to everything you say Lynne. You're doing everything in your power to help BooBoo, but you're not going to let him suffer. It's beyond me why so many vets can't think beyond euthanasia the second a cat tests FeLV pos. It makes me want to say to them, so I take it you'd recommend euthanasia for yourself if you were diagnosed with a terminal disease? Yup, that's my vindictive streak! I don't blame you one bit for emailing BooBoo's former "family". I hope they do take a lesson from it. But, from everything you've said about them they are not good people and I hate to think of any animal being in their "care". Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:18 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Holistic Vets Thank you Jane. I think of all our members and what they are experiencing as well. I think it makes us all better people and caregivers. Honestly I think the vet was wrong to suggest to us as soon as Boo was diagnosed that we consider euthanasia. It would have been far harder on me if I had not given him a fighting chance. I still will not let him suffer and if there is any indication of that, BooBoo will be crossing that bridge. My husband has suggested I not let the previous owners know what is going on with him because they would just blame us anyway, but I felt this morning that they should experience at least a bit of the pain that we have because of their neglect/stupidity. So I did email them outlining all of the tests he's been through, the suffering he has experienced with his breathing, all the nasty details including the financial impact. I'm not as kind as my husband is and unfortunately I do have a vindictive side to me. I ended my email by saying you should have all your animals tested and/or vaccinated so you won't have to experience this agony. Lynne - Original Message - From: "Jane Lyons" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:09 AM Subject: Re: Holistic Vets > Lynne > I am thinking of you and BooBoo. I know how stressful this is for the > both of you. > He is on his own path and is so lucky to know what caring and love > feels like. > Take care of yourself. > > Jane > > > > > On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:11 AM, Lynne wrote: > > > Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended > > something > > called Factor One. I'm gonna call the supplier today. My vet has > > now told > > me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late. I've > > decided > > that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep > > comfortable. > > I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for him. > > Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the > > culture comes > > back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that. Our vet is a > > really nice > > guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want > > to do > > anything unless we tell him what to do. He's concerned I suppose > > about the > > expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results. > > > > Good luck with the Holistic vet. Around here this disease seems like > > something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just > > euthanize, > >
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Lynne, I understand. I have the ashes of Angel (I did not name her), a gorgeoue white deaf kitty I took to the vet specialty college to have biopsies and a feeding tube placed when her previous owner abandoned her because she was sick. Her ashes are with my Teddy and Keisha and a buck (long story) that I tried to help after someone shot him. The things we do out of love for these wonderful creatures! L - Original Message - From: "Lynne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:49 AM Subject: Re: Holistic Vets Kerry, when the vet first told us of his prognosis and offered euthanization before we "bonded" too much with him, I told him, "I don't believe in putting individuals suffering with the AIDS virus down so why would I want to do this to a seemingly well animal". He thought that was pretty funny and then agreed to do what we could to treat problems as they arise. I suppose the majority of people who discover this about their pets do imagine the worse and want to get over it quickly. I really like this vet on a personal level. He seems very compassionate but like I told my husband last night, everything we've done so far has come from us, not him. I am not a vet, I shouldn't have to suggest blood work, antibiotics, lasix and fluid aspiration. If I hadn't joined this group, BooBoo would be in the ground right now. And yes, I don't care how frozen the ground is, or what kind of contageous disease he has, he will be buried next to my dearly beloved Chuck in a garden I have with forget-me-not and bleeding heart flowers in it. Lynne - Original Message - From: "MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:13 AM Subject: RE: Holistic Vets I can relate to everything you say Lynne. You're doing everything in your power to help BooBoo, but you're not going to let him suffer. It's beyond me why so many vets can't think beyond euthanasia the second a cat tests FeLV pos. It makes me want to say to them, so I take it you'd recommend euthanasia for yourself if you were diagnosed with a terminal disease? Yup, that's my vindictive streak! I don't blame you one bit for emailing BooBoo's former "family". I hope they do take a lesson from it. But, from everything you've said about them they are not good people and I hate to think of any animal being in their "care". Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:18 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Holistic Vets Thank you Jane. I think of all our members and what they are experiencing as well. I think it makes us all better people and caregivers. Honestly I think the vet was wrong to suggest to us as soon as Boo was diagnosed that we consider euthanasia. It would have been far harder on me if I had not given him a fighting chance. I still will not let him suffer and if there is any indication of that, BooBoo will be crossing that bridge. My husband has suggested I not let the previous owners know what is going on with him because they would just blame us anyway, but I felt this morning that they should experience at least a bit of the pain that we have because of their neglect/stupidity. So I did email them outlining all of the tests he's been through, the suffering he has experienced with his breathing, all the nasty details including the financial impact. I'm not as kind as my husband is and unfortunately I do have a vindictive side to me. I ended my email by saying you should have all your animals tested and/or vaccinated so you won't have to experience this agony. Lynne - Original Message - From: "Jane Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:09 AM Subject: Re: Holistic Vets Lynne I am thinking of you and BooBoo. I know how stressful this is for the both of you. He is on his own path and is so lucky to know what caring and love feels like. Take care of yourself. Jane On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:11 AM, Lynne wrote: > Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended > something > called Factor One. I'm gonna call the supplier today. My vet has > now told > me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late. I've > decided > that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep > comfortable. > I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for him. > Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the > culture comes > back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that. Our vet is a > really nice > guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want > to do > anything unless we tell him wha
Re: Holistic Vets `LYNNE want my TF?
wow. ok. L - Original Message - From: "Lynne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:52 AM Subject: Re: Holistic Vets `LYNNE want my TF? No Laurie, it is the Transfer Factor Plus Advance for humans. They won't ship any animal products to Canada. Thank you for your kind offer but if it got checked at the border they would just toss it out. I've had that happen. Lynne - Original Message - From: "laurieskatz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:12 AM Subject: Re: Holistic Vets `LYNNE want my TF? Lynne, is it the Feline Complex Transfer Factor that you ordered? If yes, I have an unopened container that I would be willing to overnight to you if you'll send me yours when you get it. (or pay me for it). Isabella isn't eating it anymore and her mom didn't open the last one I ordered. If you want me to do this, please send your mailing info and I will do my best to get it out today (even though it's -31 windchill, I have to go out anyway). Laurie (Iowa) - Original Message - From: "Lynne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:59 AM Subject: Re: Holistic Vets >I just placed an order for it Jane. It's probably the least expensive >thing > I've had to put money out for lately!! Unfortunately it will take 8 to 10 > days to get here, that is if there isn't some crap problem at the border. > > Lynne > - Original Message - > From: "Jane Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:38 AM > Subject: Re: Holistic Vets > > >> Transfer Factor is well known to the list Lynne. Many people are >> using it with great results. >> Karen can talk about it openly on the list. It is a great product. >> Best >> Jane >> On Feb 20, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Lynne wrote: >> >> > You are absolutely correct Jane. Again, it's called Transfer >> > Factor. I am >> > desparate so am willing to put out a few extra bucks but you are >> > totally >> > correct about us being vulnerable and easy prey for some >> > unscrupulous >> > vendors. >> > >> > Lynne >> > - Original Message - >> > From: "Jane Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > To: >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:02 AM >> > Subject: Re: Holistic Vets >> > >> > >> >> Why doesn't Karen come onto the list and share Factor One? >> >> I think there are rules that prevent soliciting products on a list >> >> such as this. >> >> We are all vulnerable, and subject to wishful thinking. >> >> I hope that Factor One is a remedy, but I think that it should be >> >> made available >> >> to the list, and to our vets. This list should be transparent. (IMHO) >> >> Jane >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:41 AM, Sue Koren wrote: >> >> >> >>> Lynne, I know what you mean about the vets - my vet acted like she >> >>> thinks I'm a pain for even asking about preventative measures. And >> >>> it has always seemed like they considered dogs to be more >> >>> importent. WE know better. >> >>> What is the Factor One and what is it suppose to do? Buzz is still >> >>> pretty healthy and I would sure like to keep him that way. He >> >>> worries me when he pants when he plays, though. >> >>> Sue >> >>> >> >>> Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> = >> >>> Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended >> >>> something >> >>> called Factor One. I'm gonna call the supplier today. My vet has >> >>> now told >> >>> me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late. I've >> >>> decided >> >>> that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep >> >>> comfortable. >> >>> I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for >> >>> him. >> >>> Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the >> >>> culture comes >> >>> back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that. Our vet is a >> >>> really nice >> >>> guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not w
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If it helps any I have used Transfer Factor on several critters and it has been recommended by holistic vets I know. If you don't feel you can afford it, please try colostrum. It helps boost the immune system big time. On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:20 AM, Lynne wrote: You are absolutely correct Jane. Again, it's called Transfer Factor. I am desparate so am willing to put out a few extra bucks but you are totally correct about us being vulnerable and easy prey for some unscrupulous vendors. Lynne - Original Message - From: "Jane Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:02 AM Subject: Re: Holistic Vets Why doesn't Karen come onto the list and share Factor One? I think there are rules that prevent soliciting products on a list such as this. We are all vulnerable, and subject to wishful thinking. I hope that Factor One is a remedy, but I think that it should be made available to the list, and to our vets. This list should be transparent. (IMHO) Jane On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:41 AM, Sue Koren wrote: Lynne, I know what you mean about the vets - my vet acted like she thinks I'm a pain for even asking about preventative measures. And it has always seemed like they considered dogs to be more importent. WE know better. What is the Factor One and what is it suppose to do? Buzz is still pretty healthy and I would sure like to keep him that way. He worries me when he pants when he plays, though. Sue Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: = Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended something called Factor One. I'm gonna call the supplier today. My vet has now told me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late. I've decided that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep comfortable. I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for him. Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the culture comes back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that. Our vet is a really nice guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want to do anything unless we tell him what to do. He's concerned I suppose about the expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results. Good luck with the Holistic vet. Around here this disease seems like something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just euthanize, which is shameful. Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested in dogs than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and they are causing problems. Lynne - Original Message - From: "Sue Koren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FeLV Talk" Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM Subject: Holistic Vets Hi, All - First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better. I had a cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere near so well afterwards. Don't give up on that little fighter any time soon! I am thinking about taking Buzz to a Holistic Vet. When I questioned my regular vet about Immuno-Regulin and Interferon she said she had not heard of much success with those things and said I might want to consider a Holistic Vet. I e-mailed one and asked if they could do anything for a FeLV+ cat that would be peventative and might help them throw the virus. It is quite a distance from my home and I don't want to put Buzz through the stress of the trip if it won't do him any good. Sue
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Where is previous owners breeders? If so, report them to the various animal societies.I guess cats have the equivalent of AKC. Also the BBB. First, you can vent. Second, you may save another cat or its people. On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:17 AM, Lynne wrote: Thank you Jane. I think of all our members and what they are experiencing as well. I think it makes us all better people and caregivers. Honestly I think the vet was wrong to suggest to us as soon as Boo was diagnosed that we consider euthanasia. It would have been far harder on me if I had not given him a fighting chance. I still will not let him suffer and if there is any indication of that, BooBoo will be crossing that bridge. My husband has suggested I not let the previous owners know what is going on with him because they would just blame us anyway, but I felt this morning that they should experience at least a bit of the pain that we have because of their neglect/stupidity. So I did email them outlining all of the tests he's been through, the suffering he has experienced with his breathing, all the nasty details including the financial impact. I'm not as kind as my husband is and unfortunately I do have a vindictive side to me. I ended my email by saying you should have all your animals tested and/or vaccinated so you won't have to experience this agony. Lynne - Original Message - From: "Jane Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:09 AM Subject: Re: Holistic Vets Lynne I am thinking of you and BooBoo. I know how stressful this is for the both of you. He is on his own path and is so lucky to know what caring and love feels like. Take care of yourself. Jane On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:11 AM, Lynne wrote: Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended something called Factor One. I'm gonna call the supplier today. My vet has now told me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late. I've decided that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep comfortable. I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for him. Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the culture comes back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that. Our vet is a really nice guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want to do anything unless we tell him what to do. He's concerned I suppose about the expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results. Good luck with the Holistic vet. Around here this disease seems like something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just euthanize, which is shameful. Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested in dogs than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and they are causing problems. Lynne - Original Message - From: "Sue Koren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FeLV Talk" Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM Subject: Holistic Vets Hi, All - First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better. I had a cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere near so well afterwards. Don't give up on that little fighter any time soon! I am thinking about taking Buzz to a Holistic Vet. When I questioned my regular vet about Immuno-Regulin and Interferon she said she had not heard of much success with those things and said I might want to consider a Holistic Vet. I e-mailed one and asked if they could do anything for a FeLV+ cat that would be peventative and might help them throw the virus. It is quite a distance from my home and I don't want to put Buzz through the stress of the trip if it won't do him any good. Sue
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Yes, got it Lynne! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Holistic Vets Kerry, did you see my follow up email. It isn't factor one it's transfer factor. I don't know what I was thinking when I said it was the former. Lynne - Original Message - From: "MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:49 AM Subject: RE: Holistic Vets I can't find anything on "Factor One" in a (quick) google search. Was this a typo in the original email? But certainly there is tons in our (felineleukemia.org) archives on the use of Transfer Factor as an immune system support. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Holistic Vets You are absolutely correct Jane. Again, it's called Transfer Factor. I am desparate so am willing to put out a few extra bucks but you are totally correct about us being vulnerable and easy prey for some unscrupulous vendors. Lynne - Original Message - From: "Jane Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:02 AM Subject: Re: Holistic Vets > Why doesn't Karen come onto the list and share Factor One? > I think there are rules that prevent soliciting products on a list > such as this. > We are all vulnerable, and subject to wishful thinking. > I hope that Factor One is a remedy, but I think that it should be > made available > to the list, and to our vets. This list should be transparent. (IMHO) > Jane > > > > > > > On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:41 AM, Sue Koren wrote: > > > Lynne, I know what you mean about the vets - my vet acted like she > > thinks I'm a pain for even asking about preventative measures. And > > it has always seemed like they considered dogs to be more > > importent. WE know better. > > What is the Factor One and what is it suppose to do? Buzz is still > > pretty healthy and I would sure like to keep him that way. He > > worries me when he pants when he plays, though. > > Sue > > > > Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > = > > Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended > > something > > called Factor One. I'm gonna call the supplier today. My vet has > > now told > > me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late. I've > > decided > > that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep > > comfortable. > > I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for him. > > Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the > > culture comes > > back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that. Our vet is a > > really nice > > guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want > > to do > > anything unless we tell him what to do. He's concerned I suppose > > about the > > expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results. > > > > Good luck with the Holistic vet. Around here this disease seems like > > something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just > > euthanize, > > which is shameful. Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested > > in dogs > > than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and > > they are > > causing problems. > > > > Lynne > > - Original Message - > > From: "Sue Koren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "FeLV Talk" > > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM > > Subject: Holistic Vets > > > > > >> Hi, All - > >> First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better. I > >> had a > > cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere near so well > > afterwards. Don't give up on that little fighter any time soon! > >> I am thinking about taking Buzz to a Holistic Vet. When I > >> questioned my > > regular vet about Immuno-Regulin and Interferon she said she had > > not heard > > of much success with those things and said I might want to consider a > > Holistic Vet. I e-mailed one and asked if they could do anything > > for a > > FeLV+ cat that would be peventative and might help them throw the > > virus. It > > is quite a distance from my home and I don't want to put Buzz > > through the > > stress of the trip if it won't do him any good.
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Lynne, you are so right about everything coming from you---it sounds like your vet isn't clued up about FeLV which would not be unusual. When I ordered the IR for my Flavia (on the recommendation of the wonderful Michelle Lerner who used to be on this list) my (also compasssionate) vet, Dr Diane, had to ask ME about the protocols! But at least she was willing to work with me. And she also got permission from her boss, the clinic owner, to come to my house -- I was due to go away at the time; it was horrible timing -- to treat Flavia, and her boss told her there would be no charge! It all became moot in the end because Flavia's HCT plummeted again, and I couldn't put her through another transfusion. My current vet has been refreshingly open to learning about FeLV, and asked me for details a couple years ago of how to get feline interferon from the UK for another of his clients whose cat had just been diagnosed positive. Maybe your vet will also learn from you, and take a more proactive view in future. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:49 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Holistic Vets Kerry, when the vet first told us of his prognosis and offered euthanization before we "bonded" too much with him, I told him, "I don't believe in putting individuals suffering with the AIDS virus down so why would I want to do this to a seemingly well animal". He thought that was pretty funny and then agreed to do what we could to treat problems as they arise. I suppose the majority of people who discover this about their pets do imagine the worse and want to get over it quickly. I really like this vet on a personal level. He seems very compassionate but like I told my husband last night, everything we've done so far has come from us, not him. I am not a vet, I shouldn't have to suggest blood work, antibiotics, lasix and fluid aspiration. If I hadn't joined this group, BooBoo would be in the ground right now. And yes, I don't care how frozen the ground is, or what kind of contageous disease he has, he will be buried next to my dearly beloved Chuck in a garden I have with forget-me-not and bleeding heart flowers in it. Lynne - Original Message - From: "MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:13 AM Subject: RE: Holistic Vets I can relate to everything you say Lynne. You're doing everything in your power to help BooBoo, but you're not going to let him suffer. It's beyond me why so many vets can't think beyond euthanasia the second a cat tests FeLV pos. It makes me want to say to them, so I take it you'd recommend euthanasia for yourself if you were diagnosed with a terminal disease? Yup, that's my vindictive streak! I don't blame you one bit for emailing BooBoo's former "family". I hope they do take a lesson from it. But, from everything you've said about them they are not good people and I hate to think of any animal being in their "care". Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:18 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Holistic Vets Thank you Jane. I think of all our members and what they are experiencing as well. I think it makes us all better people and caregivers. Honestly I think the vet was wrong to suggest to us as soon as Boo was diagnosed that we consider euthanasia. It would have been far harder on me if I had not given him a fighting chance. I still will not let him suffer and if there is any indication of that, BooBoo will be crossing that bridge. My husband has suggested I not let the previous owners know what is going on with him because they would just blame us anyway, but I felt this morning that they should experience at least a bit of the pain that we have because of their neglect/stupidity. So I did email them outlining all of the tests he's been through, the suffering he has experienced with his breathing, all the nasty details including the financial impact. I'm not as kind as my husband is and unfortunately I do have a vindictive side to me. I ended my email by saying you should have all your animals tested and/or vaccinated so you won't have to experience this agony. Lynne - Original Message - From: "Jane Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:09 AM Subject: Re: Holistic Vets > Lynne > I am thinking of you and BooBoo. I know how stressful this is for the > both of you. > He is on his own path and is so lucky to know what caring and love > feels like. > Take care of yourself. > > Jane > > > > > On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:11 AM, Lynne wrote: > > > Sue,
Re: Holistic Vets `LYNNE want my TF?
No Laurie, it is the Transfer Factor Plus Advance for humans. They won't ship any animal products to Canada. Thank you for your kind offer but if it got checked at the border they would just toss it out. I've had that happen. Lynne - Original Message - From: "laurieskatz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:12 AM Subject: Re: Holistic Vets `LYNNE want my TF? > Lynne, is it the Feline Complex Transfer Factor that you ordered? > If yes, I have an unopened container that I would be willing to overnight to > you if you'll send me yours when you get it. > (or pay me for it). Isabella isn't eating it anymore and her mom didn't open > the last one I ordered. If you want me to do this, please send your mailing > info and I will do my best to get it out today (even though it's -31 > windchill, I have to go out anyway). > Laurie (Iowa) > - Original Message - > From: "Lynne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:59 AM > Subject: Re: Holistic Vets > > > >I just placed an order for it Jane. It's probably the least expensive > >thing > > I've had to put money out for lately!! Unfortunately it will take 8 to 10 > > days to get here, that is if there isn't some crap problem at the border. > > > > Lynne > > - Original Message - > > From: "Jane Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:38 AM > > Subject: Re: Holistic Vets > > > > > >> Transfer Factor is well known to the list Lynne. Many people are > >> using it with great results. > >> Karen can talk about it openly on the list. It is a great product. > >> Best > >> Jane > >> On Feb 20, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Lynne wrote: > >> > >> > You are absolutely correct Jane. Again, it's called Transfer > >> > Factor. I am > >> > desparate so am willing to put out a few extra bucks but you are > >> > totally > >> > correct about us being vulnerable and easy prey for some unscrupulous > >> > vendors. > >> > > >> > Lynne > >> > - Original Message - > >> > From: "Jane Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > To: > >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:02 AM > >> > Subject: Re: Holistic Vets > >> > > >> > > >> >> Why doesn't Karen come onto the list and share Factor One? > >> >> I think there are rules that prevent soliciting products on a list > >> >> such as this. > >> >> We are all vulnerable, and subject to wishful thinking. > >> >> I hope that Factor One is a remedy, but I think that it should be > >> >> made available > >> >> to the list, and to our vets. This list should be transparent. (IMHO) > >> >> Jane > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:41 AM, Sue Koren wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> Lynne, I know what you mean about the vets - my vet acted like she > >> >>> thinks I'm a pain for even asking about preventative measures. And > >> >>> it has always seemed like they considered dogs to be more > >> >>> importent. WE know better. > >> >>> What is the Factor One and what is it suppose to do? Buzz is still > >> >>> pretty healthy and I would sure like to keep him that way. He > >> >>> worries me when he pants when he plays, though. > >> >>> Sue > >> >>> > >> >>> Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> = > >> >>> Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended > >> >>> something > >> >>> called Factor One. I'm gonna call the supplier today. My vet has > >> >>> now told > >> >>> me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late. I've > >> >>> decided > >> >>> that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep > >> >>> comfortable. > >> >>> I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for > >> >>> him. > >> >>> Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the > >> >&g
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Unfortunately I think they count euthanization...is that how you spell it? as "medical care." On 2/20/08, laurieskatz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Where I live it is abuse to fail to provide medical care for a sick or > injured animal. You might see if there is any recourse down that avenue. > L > > - Original Message - > From: "MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:13 AM > Subject: RE: Holistic Vets > > > I can relate to everything you say Lynne. You're doing everything in > your power to help BooBoo, but you're not going to let him suffer. > It's beyond me why so many vets can't think beyond euthanasia the second > a cat tests FeLV pos. It makes me want to say to them, so I take it > you'd recommend euthanasia for yourself if you were diagnosed with a > terminal disease? Yup, that's my vindictive streak! > I don't blame you one bit for emailing BooBoo's former "family". I hope > they do take a lesson from it. But, from everything you've said about > them they are not good people and I hate to think of any animal being in > their "care". > Kerry > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:18 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: Holistic Vets > > Thank you Jane. I think of all our members and what they are > experiencing > as well. I think it makes us all better people and caregivers. > Honestly I > think the vet was wrong to suggest to us as soon as Boo was diagnosed > that > we consider euthanasia. It would have been far harder on me if I had > not > given him a fighting chance. I still will not let him suffer and if > there > is any indication of that, BooBoo will be crossing that bridge. My > husband > has suggested I not let the previous owners know what is going on with > him > because they would just blame us anyway, but I felt this morning that > they > should experience at least a bit of the pain that we have because of > their > neglect/stupidity. So I did email them outlining all of the tests he's > been > through, the suffering he has experienced with his breathing, all the > nasty > details including the financial impact. I'm not as kind as my husband > is > and unfortunately I do have a vindictive side to me. I ended my email > by > saying you should have all your animals tested and/or vaccinated so you > won't have to experience this agony. > > Lynne > - Original Message - > From: "Jane Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:09 AM > Subject: Re: Holistic Vets > > > > Lynne > > I am thinking of you and BooBoo. I know how stressful this is for the > > both of you. > > He is on his own path and is so lucky to know what caring and love > > feels like. > > Take care of yourself. > > > > Jane > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:11 AM, Lynne wrote: > > > > > Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended > > > something > > > called Factor One. I'm gonna call the supplier today. My vet has > > > now told > > > me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late. I've > > > decided > > > that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep > > > comfortable. > > > I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for > him. > > > Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the > > > culture comes > > > back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that. Our vet is a > > > really nice > > > guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want > > > to do > > > anything unless we tell him what to do. He's concerned I suppose > > > about the > > > expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results. > > > > > > Good luck with the Holistic vet. Around here this disease seems > like > > > something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just > > > euthanize, > > > which is shameful. Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested > > > in dogs > > > than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and > > > they are > > > causing problems. > > > > > > Lynne > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Sue Koren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> &g
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Kerry, did you see my follow up email. It isn't factor one it's transfer factor. I don't know what I was thinking when I said it was the former. Lynne - Original Message - From: "MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:49 AM Subject: RE: Holistic Vets I can't find anything on "Factor One" in a (quick) google search. Was this a typo in the original email? But certainly there is tons in our (felineleukemia.org) archives on the use of Transfer Factor as an immune system support. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Holistic Vets You are absolutely correct Jane. Again, it's called Transfer Factor. I am desparate so am willing to put out a few extra bucks but you are totally correct about us being vulnerable and easy prey for some unscrupulous vendors. Lynne - Original Message - From: "Jane Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:02 AM Subject: Re: Holistic Vets > Why doesn't Karen come onto the list and share Factor One? > I think there are rules that prevent soliciting products on a list > such as this. > We are all vulnerable, and subject to wishful thinking. > I hope that Factor One is a remedy, but I think that it should be > made available > to the list, and to our vets. This list should be transparent. (IMHO) > Jane > > > > > > > On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:41 AM, Sue Koren wrote: > > > Lynne, I know what you mean about the vets - my vet acted like she > > thinks I'm a pain for even asking about preventative measures. And > > it has always seemed like they considered dogs to be more > > importent. WE know better. > > What is the Factor One and what is it suppose to do? Buzz is still > > pretty healthy and I would sure like to keep him that way. He > > worries me when he pants when he plays, though. > > Sue > > > > Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > = > > Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended > > something > > called Factor One. I'm gonna call the supplier today. My vet has > > now told > > me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late. I've > > decided > > that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep > > comfortable. > > I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for him. > > Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the > > culture comes > > back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that. Our vet is a > > really nice > > guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want > > to do > > anything unless we tell him what to do. He's concerned I suppose > > about the > > expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results. > > > > Good luck with the Holistic vet. Around here this disease seems like > > something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just > > euthanize, > > which is shameful. Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested > > in dogs > > than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and > > they are > > causing problems. > > > > Lynne > > - Original Message - > > From: "Sue Koren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "FeLV Talk" > > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM > > Subject: Holistic Vets > > > > > >> Hi, All - > >> First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better. I > >> had a > > cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere near so well > > afterwards. Don't give up on that little fighter any time soon! > >> I am thinking about taking Buzz to a Holistic Vet. When I > >> questioned my > > regular vet about Immuno-Regulin and Interferon she said she had > > not heard > > of much success with those things and said I might want to consider a > > Holistic Vet. I e-mailed one and asked if they could do anything > > for a > > FeLV+ cat that would be peventative and might help them throw the > > virus. It > > is quite a distance from my home and I don't want to put Buzz > > through the > > stress of the trip if it won't do him any good. > >> Sue > >> > > > > > > > > > > _ Effective September 1, 2007, we have changed our nam
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Kerry, when the vet first told us of his prognosis and offered euthanization before we "bonded" too much with him, I told him, "I don't believe in putting individuals suffering with the AIDS virus down so why would I want to do this to a seemingly well animal". He thought that was pretty funny and then agreed to do what we could to treat problems as they arise. I suppose the majority of people who discover this about their pets do imagine the worse and want to get over it quickly. I really like this vet on a personal level. He seems very compassionate but like I told my husband last night, everything we've done so far has come from us, not him. I am not a vet, I shouldn't have to suggest blood work, antibiotics, lasix and fluid aspiration. If I hadn't joined this group, BooBoo would be in the ground right now. And yes, I don't care how frozen the ground is, or what kind of contageous disease he has, he will be buried next to my dearly beloved Chuck in a garden I have with forget-me-not and bleeding heart flowers in it. Lynne - Original Message - From: "MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:13 AM Subject: RE: Holistic Vets I can relate to everything you say Lynne. You're doing everything in your power to help BooBoo, but you're not going to let him suffer. It's beyond me why so many vets can't think beyond euthanasia the second a cat tests FeLV pos. It makes me want to say to them, so I take it you'd recommend euthanasia for yourself if you were diagnosed with a terminal disease? Yup, that's my vindictive streak! I don't blame you one bit for emailing BooBoo's former "family". I hope they do take a lesson from it. But, from everything you've said about them they are not good people and I hate to think of any animal being in their "care". Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:18 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Holistic Vets Thank you Jane. I think of all our members and what they are experiencing as well. I think it makes us all better people and caregivers. Honestly I think the vet was wrong to suggest to us as soon as Boo was diagnosed that we consider euthanasia. It would have been far harder on me if I had not given him a fighting chance. I still will not let him suffer and if there is any indication of that, BooBoo will be crossing that bridge. My husband has suggested I not let the previous owners know what is going on with him because they would just blame us anyway, but I felt this morning that they should experience at least a bit of the pain that we have because of their neglect/stupidity. So I did email them outlining all of the tests he's been through, the suffering he has experienced with his breathing, all the nasty details including the financial impact. I'm not as kind as my husband is and unfortunately I do have a vindictive side to me. I ended my email by saying you should have all your animals tested and/or vaccinated so you won't have to experience this agony. Lynne ----- Original Message - From: "Jane Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:09 AM Subject: Re: Holistic Vets > Lynne > I am thinking of you and BooBoo. I know how stressful this is for the > both of you. > He is on his own path and is so lucky to know what caring and love > feels like. > Take care of yourself. > > Jane > > > > > On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:11 AM, Lynne wrote: > > > Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended > > something > > called Factor One. I'm gonna call the supplier today. My vet has > > now told > > me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late. I've > > decided > > that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep > > comfortable. > > I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for him. > > Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the > > culture comes > > back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that. Our vet is a > > really nice > > guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want > > to do > > anything unless we tell him what to do. He's concerned I suppose > > about the > > expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results. > > > > Good luck with the Holistic vet. Around here this disease seems like > > something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just > > euthanize, > > which is shameful. Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested > > in dogs > > than cats, probably because there
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Where I live it is abuse to fail to provide medical care for a sick or injured animal. You might see if there is any recourse down that avenue. L - Original Message - From: "MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:13 AM Subject: RE: Holistic Vets I can relate to everything you say Lynne. You're doing everything in your power to help BooBoo, but you're not going to let him suffer. It's beyond me why so many vets can't think beyond euthanasia the second a cat tests FeLV pos. It makes me want to say to them, so I take it you'd recommend euthanasia for yourself if you were diagnosed with a terminal disease? Yup, that's my vindictive streak! I don't blame you one bit for emailing BooBoo's former "family". I hope they do take a lesson from it. But, from everything you've said about them they are not good people and I hate to think of any animal being in their "care". Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:18 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Holistic Vets Thank you Jane. I think of all our members and what they are experiencing as well. I think it makes us all better people and caregivers. Honestly I think the vet was wrong to suggest to us as soon as Boo was diagnosed that we consider euthanasia. It would have been far harder on me if I had not given him a fighting chance. I still will not let him suffer and if there is any indication of that, BooBoo will be crossing that bridge. My husband has suggested I not let the previous owners know what is going on with him because they would just blame us anyway, but I felt this morning that they should experience at least a bit of the pain that we have because of their neglect/stupidity. So I did email them outlining all of the tests he's been through, the suffering he has experienced with his breathing, all the nasty details including the financial impact. I'm not as kind as my husband is and unfortunately I do have a vindictive side to me. I ended my email by saying you should have all your animals tested and/or vaccinated so you won't have to experience this agony. Lynne - Original Message - From: "Jane Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:09 AM Subject: Re: Holistic Vets Lynne I am thinking of you and BooBoo. I know how stressful this is for the both of you. He is on his own path and is so lucky to know what caring and love feels like. Take care of yourself. Jane On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:11 AM, Lynne wrote: > Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended > something > called Factor One. I'm gonna call the supplier today. My vet has > now told > me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late. I've > decided > that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep > comfortable. > I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for him. > Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the > culture comes > back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that. Our vet is a > really nice > guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want > to do > anything unless we tell him what to do. He's concerned I suppose > about the > expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results. > > Good luck with the Holistic vet. Around here this disease seems like > something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just > euthanize, > which is shameful. Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested > in dogs > than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and > they are > causing problems. > > Lynne > - Original Message - > From: "Sue Koren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "FeLV Talk" > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM > Subject: Holistic Vets > > >> Hi, All - >> First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better. I >> had a > cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere near so well > afterwards. Don't give up on that little fighter any time soon! >> I am thinking about taking Buzz to a Holistic Vet. When I >> questioned my > regular vet about Immuno-Regulin and Interferon she said she had > not heard > of much success with those things and said I might want to consider a > Holistic Vet. I e-mailed one and asked if they could do anything > for a > FeLV+ cat that would be peventative and might help them throw the > virus. It > is quite a distance from my home and I don't want to put Buzz > through the > stress of the trip if it won't do him any good. >
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I can relate to everything you say Lynne. You're doing everything in your power to help BooBoo, but you're not going to let him suffer. It's beyond me why so many vets can't think beyond euthanasia the second a cat tests FeLV pos. It makes me want to say to them, so I take it you'd recommend euthanasia for yourself if you were diagnosed with a terminal disease? Yup, that's my vindictive streak! I don't blame you one bit for emailing BooBoo's former "family". I hope they do take a lesson from it. But, from everything you've said about them they are not good people and I hate to think of any animal being in their "care". Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:18 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Holistic Vets Thank you Jane. I think of all our members and what they are experiencing as well. I think it makes us all better people and caregivers. Honestly I think the vet was wrong to suggest to us as soon as Boo was diagnosed that we consider euthanasia. It would have been far harder on me if I had not given him a fighting chance. I still will not let him suffer and if there is any indication of that, BooBoo will be crossing that bridge. My husband has suggested I not let the previous owners know what is going on with him because they would just blame us anyway, but I felt this morning that they should experience at least a bit of the pain that we have because of their neglect/stupidity. So I did email them outlining all of the tests he's been through, the suffering he has experienced with his breathing, all the nasty details including the financial impact. I'm not as kind as my husband is and unfortunately I do have a vindictive side to me. I ended my email by saying you should have all your animals tested and/or vaccinated so you won't have to experience this agony. Lynne - Original Message - From: "Jane Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:09 AM Subject: Re: Holistic Vets > Lynne > I am thinking of you and BooBoo. I know how stressful this is for the > both of you. > He is on his own path and is so lucky to know what caring and love > feels like. > Take care of yourself. > > Jane > > > > > On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:11 AM, Lynne wrote: > > > Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended > > something > > called Factor One. I'm gonna call the supplier today. My vet has > > now told > > me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late. I've > > decided > > that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep > > comfortable. > > I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for him. > > Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the > > culture comes > > back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that. Our vet is a > > really nice > > guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want > > to do > > anything unless we tell him what to do. He's concerned I suppose > > about the > > expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results. > > > > Good luck with the Holistic vet. Around here this disease seems like > > something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just > > euthanize, > > which is shameful. Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested > > in dogs > > than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and > > they are > > causing problems. > > > > Lynne > > - Original Message - > > From: "Sue Koren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "FeLV Talk" > > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM > > Subject: Holistic Vets > > > > > >> Hi, All - > >> First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better. I > >> had a > > cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere near so well > > afterwards. Don't give up on that little fighter any time soon! > >> I am thinking about taking Buzz to a Holistic Vet. When I > >> questioned my > > regular vet about Immuno-Regulin and Interferon she said she had > > not heard > > of much success with those things and said I might want to consider a > > Holistic Vet. I e-mailed one and asked if they could do anything > > for a > > FeLV+ cat that would be peventative and might help them throw the > > virus. It > > is quite a distance from my home and I don't want to put Buzz > > through the > > stress of the trip if it won't do him any good.
Re: Holistic Vets `LYNNE want my TF?
Lynne, is it the Feline Complex Transfer Factor that you ordered? If yes, I have an unopened container that I would be willing to overnight to you if you'll send me yours when you get it. (or pay me for it). Isabella isn't eating it anymore and her mom didn't open the last one I ordered. If you want me to do this, please send your mailing info and I will do my best to get it out today (even though it's -31 windchill, I have to go out anyway). Laurie (Iowa) - Original Message - From: "Lynne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:59 AM Subject: Re: Holistic Vets I just placed an order for it Jane. It's probably the least expensive thing I've had to put money out for lately!! Unfortunately it will take 8 to 10 days to get here, that is if there isn't some crap problem at the border. Lynne - Original Message - From: "Jane Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:38 AM Subject: Re: Holistic Vets Transfer Factor is well known to the list Lynne. Many people are using it with great results. Karen can talk about it openly on the list. It is a great product. Best Jane On Feb 20, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Lynne wrote: > You are absolutely correct Jane. Again, it's called Transfer > Factor. I am > desparate so am willing to put out a few extra bucks but you are > totally > correct about us being vulnerable and easy prey for some unscrupulous > vendors. > > Lynne > - Original Message - > From: "Jane Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:02 AM > Subject: Re: Holistic Vets > > >> Why doesn't Karen come onto the list and share Factor One? >> I think there are rules that prevent soliciting products on a list >> such as this. >> We are all vulnerable, and subject to wishful thinking. >> I hope that Factor One is a remedy, but I think that it should be >> made available >> to the list, and to our vets. This list should be transparent. (IMHO) >> Jane >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:41 AM, Sue Koren wrote: >> >>> Lynne, I know what you mean about the vets - my vet acted like she >>> thinks I'm a pain for even asking about preventative measures. And >>> it has always seemed like they considered dogs to be more >>> importent. WE know better. >>> What is the Factor One and what is it suppose to do? Buzz is still >>> pretty healthy and I would sure like to keep him that way. He >>> worries me when he pants when he plays, though. >>> Sue >>> >>> Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> = >>> Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended >>> something >>> called Factor One. I'm gonna call the supplier today. My vet has >>> now told >>> me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late. I've >>> decided >>> that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep >>> comfortable. >>> I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for >>> him. >>> Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the >>> culture comes >>> back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that. Our vet is a >>> really nice >>> guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want >>> to do >>> anything unless we tell him what to do. He's concerned I suppose >>> about the >>> expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results. >>> >>> Good luck with the Holistic vet. Around here this disease seems >>> like >>> something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just >>> euthanize, >>> which is shameful. Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested >>> in dogs >>> than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and >>> they are >>> causing problems. >>> >>> Lynne >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Sue Koren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "FeLV Talk" >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM >>> Subject: Holistic Vets >>> >>> >>>> Hi, All - >>>> First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better. I >>>> had a >>> cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere near so well >>> afterwards. Don't give up on that little fighter any time soon! >>>> I am thinking about taking Buzz to a Holistic Vet. When I >>>> questioned my >>> regular vet about Immuno-Regulin and Interferon she said she had >>> not heard >>> of much success with those things and said I might want to >>> consider a >>> Holistic Vet. I e-mailed one and asked if they could do anything >>> for a >>> FeLV+ cat that would be peventative and might help them throw the >>> virus. It >>> is quite a distance from my home and I don't want to put Buzz >>> through the >>> stress of the trip if it won't do him any good. >>>> Sue >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
Re: Holistic Vets
I'm a big fan of Vetri-Science' Liquid DMG product. It costs me around $30-35 for a bottle that lasts for three months. It's given orally with an eyedropper. Ember, my FeLV+ cat, is really good about taking it, so it must not taste too bad. Lance On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:59:18 -0500, "Lynne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I just placed an order for it Jane. It's probably the least expensive > thing > I've had to put money out for lately!! Unfortunately it will take 8 to > 10 > days to get here, that is if there isn't some crap problem at the border. > > Lynne > - Original Message - > From: "Jane Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:38 AM > Subject: Re: Holistic Vets > > > > Transfer Factor is well known to the list Lynne. Many people are > > using it with great results. > > Karen can talk about it openly on the list. It is a great product. > > Best > > Jane > > On Feb 20, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Lynne wrote: > > > > > You are absolutely correct Jane. Again, it's called Transfer > > > Factor. I am > > > desparate so am willing to put out a few extra bucks but you are > > > totally > > > correct about us being vulnerable and easy prey for some unscrupulous > > > vendors. > > > > > > Lynne > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Jane Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:02 AM > > > Subject: Re: Holistic Vets > > > > > > > > >> Why doesn't Karen come onto the list and share Factor One? > > >> I think there are rules that prevent soliciting products on a list > > >> such as this. > > >> We are all vulnerable, and subject to wishful thinking. > > >> I hope that Factor One is a remedy, but I think that it should be > > >> made available > > >> to the list, and to our vets. This list should be transparent. (IMHO) > > >> Jane > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:41 AM, Sue Koren wrote: > > >> > > >>> Lynne, I know what you mean about the vets - my vet acted like she > > >>> thinks I'm a pain for even asking about preventative measures. And > > >>> it has always seemed like they considered dogs to be more > > >>> importent. WE know better. > > >>> What is the Factor One and what is it suppose to do? Buzz is still > > >>> pretty healthy and I would sure like to keep him that way. He > > >>> worries me when he pants when he plays, though. > > >>> Sue > > >>> > > >>> Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> = > > >>> Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended > > >>> something > > >>> called Factor One. I'm gonna call the supplier today. My vet has > > >>> now told > > >>> me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late. I've > > >>> decided > > >>> that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep > > >>> comfortable. > > >>> I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for > > >>> him. > > >>> Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the > > >>> culture comes > > >>> back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that. Our vet is a > > >>> really nice > > >>> guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want > > >>> to do > > >>> anything unless we tell him what to do. He's concerned I suppose > > >>> about the > > >>> expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results. > > >>> > > >>> Good luck with the Holistic vet. Around here this disease seems > > >>> like > > >>> something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just > > >>> euthanize, > > >>> which is shameful. Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested > > >>> in dogs > > >>> than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and > > >>> they are > > >>> causing problems. > > >>> > > >>> Lynne > > >>> - Original Message - > > >>> From: "Sue Koren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>> To: "FeLV Talk" > > >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM > > >>> Subject: Holistic Vets > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> Hi, All - > > >>>> First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better. I > > >>>> had a > > >>> cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere near so well > > >>> afterwards. Don't give up on that little fighter any time soon! > > >>>> I am thinking about taking Buzz to a Holistic Vet. When I > > >>>> questioned my > > >>> regular vet about Immuno-Regulin and Interferon she said she had > > >>> not heard > > >>> of much success with those things and said I might want to > > >>> consider a > > >>> Holistic Vet. I e-mailed one and asked if they could do anything > > >>> for a > > >>> FeLV+ cat that would be peventative and might help them throw the > > >>> virus. It > > >>> is quite a distance from my home and I don't want to put Buzz > > >>> through the > > >>> stress of the trip if it won't do him any good. > > >>>> Sue > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I just placed an order for it Jane. It's probably the least expensive thing I've had to put money out for lately!! Unfortunately it will take 8 to 10 days to get here, that is if there isn't some crap problem at the border. Lynne - Original Message - From: "Jane Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:38 AM Subject: Re: Holistic Vets > Transfer Factor is well known to the list Lynne. Many people are > using it with great results. > Karen can talk about it openly on the list. It is a great product. > Best > Jane > On Feb 20, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Lynne wrote: > > > You are absolutely correct Jane. Again, it's called Transfer > > Factor. I am > > desparate so am willing to put out a few extra bucks but you are > > totally > > correct about us being vulnerable and easy prey for some unscrupulous > > vendors. > > > > Lynne > > - Original Message - > > From: "Jane Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:02 AM > > Subject: Re: Holistic Vets > > > > > >> Why doesn't Karen come onto the list and share Factor One? > >> I think there are rules that prevent soliciting products on a list > >> such as this. > >> We are all vulnerable, and subject to wishful thinking. > >> I hope that Factor One is a remedy, but I think that it should be > >> made available > >> to the list, and to our vets. This list should be transparent. (IMHO) > >> Jane > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:41 AM, Sue Koren wrote: > >> > >>> Lynne, I know what you mean about the vets - my vet acted like she > >>> thinks I'm a pain for even asking about preventative measures. And > >>> it has always seemed like they considered dogs to be more > >>> importent. WE know better. > >>> What is the Factor One and what is it suppose to do? Buzz is still > >>> pretty healthy and I would sure like to keep him that way. He > >>> worries me when he pants when he plays, though. > >>> Sue > >>> > >>> Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> > >>> = > >>> Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended > >>> something > >>> called Factor One. I'm gonna call the supplier today. My vet has > >>> now told > >>> me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late. I've > >>> decided > >>> that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep > >>> comfortable. > >>> I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for > >>> him. > >>> Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the > >>> culture comes > >>> back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that. Our vet is a > >>> really nice > >>> guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want > >>> to do > >>> anything unless we tell him what to do. He's concerned I suppose > >>> about the > >>> expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results. > >>> > >>> Good luck with the Holistic vet. Around here this disease seems > >>> like > >>> something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just > >>> euthanize, > >>> which is shameful. Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested > >>> in dogs > >>> than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and > >>> they are > >>> causing problems. > >>> > >>> Lynne > >>> - Original Message - > >>> From: "Sue Koren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> To: "FeLV Talk" > >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM > >>> Subject: Holistic Vets > >>> > >>> > >>>> Hi, All - > >>>> First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better. I > >>>> had a > >>> cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere near so well > >>> afterwards. Don't give up on that little fighter any time soon! > >>>> I am thinking about taking Buzz to a Holistic Vet. When I > >>>> questioned my > >>> regular vet about Immuno-Regulin and Interferon she said she had > >>> not heard > >>> of much success with those things and said I might want to > >>> consider a > >>> Holistic Vet. I e-mailed one and asked if they could do anything > >>> for a > >>> FeLV+ cat that would be peventative and might help them throw the > >>> virus. It > >>> is quite a distance from my home and I don't want to put Buzz > >>> through the > >>> stress of the trip if it won't do him any good. > >>>> Sue > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >
RE: Holistic Vets
I can't find anything on "Factor One" in a (quick) google search. Was this a typo in the original email? But certainly there is tons in our (felineleukemia.org) archives on the use of Transfer Factor as an immune system support. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Holistic Vets You are absolutely correct Jane. Again, it's called Transfer Factor. I am desparate so am willing to put out a few extra bucks but you are totally correct about us being vulnerable and easy prey for some unscrupulous vendors. Lynne - Original Message - From: "Jane Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:02 AM Subject: Re: Holistic Vets > Why doesn't Karen come onto the list and share Factor One? > I think there are rules that prevent soliciting products on a list > such as this. > We are all vulnerable, and subject to wishful thinking. > I hope that Factor One is a remedy, but I think that it should be > made available > to the list, and to our vets. This list should be transparent. (IMHO) > Jane > > > > > > > On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:41 AM, Sue Koren wrote: > > > Lynne, I know what you mean about the vets - my vet acted like she > > thinks I'm a pain for even asking about preventative measures. And > > it has always seemed like they considered dogs to be more > > importent. WE know better. > > What is the Factor One and what is it suppose to do? Buzz is still > > pretty healthy and I would sure like to keep him that way. He > > worries me when he pants when he plays, though. > > Sue > > > > Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > = > > Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended > > something > > called Factor One. I'm gonna call the supplier today. My vet has > > now told > > me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late. I've > > decided > > that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep > > comfortable. > > I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for him. > > Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the > > culture comes > > back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that. Our vet is a > > really nice > > guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want > > to do > > anything unless we tell him what to do. He's concerned I suppose > > about the > > expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results. > > > > Good luck with the Holistic vet. Around here this disease seems like > > something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just > > euthanize, > > which is shameful. Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested > > in dogs > > than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and > > they are > > causing problems. > > > > Lynne > > - Original Message - > > From: "Sue Koren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "FeLV Talk" > > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM > > Subject: Holistic Vets > > > > > >> Hi, All - > >> First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better. I > >> had a > > cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere near so well > > afterwards. Don't give up on that little fighter any time soon! > >> I am thinking about taking Buzz to a Holistic Vet. When I > >> questioned my > > regular vet about Immuno-Regulin and Interferon she said she had > > not heard > > of much success with those things and said I might want to consider a > > Holistic Vet. I e-mailed one and asked if they could do anything > > for a > > FeLV+ cat that would be peventative and might help them throw the > > virus. It > > is quite a distance from my home and I don't want to put Buzz > > through the > > stress of the trip if it won't do him any good. > >> Sue > >> > > > > > > > > > > _ Effective September 1, 2007, we have changed our name to Mayer Brown LLP. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer Brown LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice
Re: Holistic Vets
We used this for Isabella for awhile. Not sure what all helped as we did many things. L - Original Message - From: "Lynne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:20 AM Subject: Re: Holistic Vets You are absolutely correct Jane. Again, it's called Transfer Factor. I am desparate so am willing to put out a few extra bucks but you are totally correct about us being vulnerable and easy prey for some unscrupulous vendors. Lynne - Original Message - From: "Jane Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:02 AM Subject: Re: Holistic Vets Why doesn't Karen come onto the list and share Factor One? I think there are rules that prevent soliciting products on a list such as this. We are all vulnerable, and subject to wishful thinking. I hope that Factor One is a remedy, but I think that it should be made available to the list, and to our vets. This list should be transparent. (IMHO) Jane On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:41 AM, Sue Koren wrote: > Lynne, I know what you mean about the vets - my vet acted like she > thinks I'm a pain for even asking about preventative measures. And > it has always seemed like they considered dogs to be more > importent. WE know better. > What is the Factor One and what is it suppose to do? Buzz is still > pretty healthy and I would sure like to keep him that way. He > worries me when he pants when he plays, though. > Sue > > Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > = > Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended > something > called Factor One. I'm gonna call the supplier today. My vet has > now told > me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late. I've > decided > that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep > comfortable. > I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for him. > Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the > culture comes > back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that. Our vet is a > really nice > guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want > to do > anything unless we tell him what to do. He's concerned I suppose > about the > expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results. > > Good luck with the Holistic vet. Around here this disease seems like > something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just > euthanize, > which is shameful. Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested > in dogs > than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and > they are > causing problems. > > Lynne > - Original Message - > From: "Sue Koren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "FeLV Talk" > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM > Subject: Holistic Vets > > >> Hi, All - >> First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better. I >> had a > cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere near so well > afterwards. Don't give up on that little fighter any time soon! >> I am thinking about taking Buzz to a Holistic Vet. When I >> questioned my > regular vet about Immuno-Regulin and Interferon she said she had > not heard > of much success with those things and said I might want to consider a > Holistic Vet. I e-mailed one and asked if they could do anything > for a > FeLV+ cat that would be peventative and might help them throw the > virus. It > is quite a distance from my home and I don't want to put Buzz > through the > stress of the trip if it won't do him any good. >> Sue >> > > > >
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Transfer Factor is well known to the list Lynne. Many people are using it with great results. Karen can talk about it openly on the list. It is a great product. Best Jane On Feb 20, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Lynne wrote: You are absolutely correct Jane. Again, it's called Transfer Factor. I am desparate so am willing to put out a few extra bucks but you are totally correct about us being vulnerable and easy prey for some unscrupulous vendors. Lynne - Original Message - From: "Jane Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:02 AM Subject: Re: Holistic Vets Why doesn't Karen come onto the list and share Factor One? I think there are rules that prevent soliciting products on a list such as this. We are all vulnerable, and subject to wishful thinking. I hope that Factor One is a remedy, but I think that it should be made available to the list, and to our vets. This list should be transparent. (IMHO) Jane On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:41 AM, Sue Koren wrote: Lynne, I know what you mean about the vets - my vet acted like she thinks I'm a pain for even asking about preventative measures. And it has always seemed like they considered dogs to be more importent. WE know better. What is the Factor One and what is it suppose to do? Buzz is still pretty healthy and I would sure like to keep him that way. He worries me when he pants when he plays, though. Sue Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: = Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended something called Factor One. I'm gonna call the supplier today. My vet has now told me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late. I've decided that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep comfortable. I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for him. Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the culture comes back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that. Our vet is a really nice guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want to do anything unless we tell him what to do. He's concerned I suppose about the expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results. Good luck with the Holistic vet. Around here this disease seems like something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just euthanize, which is shameful. Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested in dogs than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and they are causing problems. Lynne - Original Message - From: "Sue Koren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FeLV Talk" Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM Subject: Holistic Vets Hi, All - First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better. I had a cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere near so well afterwards. Don't give up on that little fighter any time soon! I am thinking about taking Buzz to a Holistic Vet. When I questioned my regular vet about Immuno-Regulin and Interferon she said she had not heard of much success with those things and said I might want to consider a Holistic Vet. I e-mailed one and asked if they could do anything for a FeLV+ cat that would be peventative and might help them throw the virus. It is quite a distance from my home and I don't want to put Buzz through the stress of the trip if it won't do him any good. Sue
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You are absolutely correct Jane. Again, it's called Transfer Factor. I am desparate so am willing to put out a few extra bucks but you are totally correct about us being vulnerable and easy prey for some unscrupulous vendors. Lynne - Original Message - From: "Jane Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:02 AM Subject: Re: Holistic Vets > Why doesn't Karen come onto the list and share Factor One? > I think there are rules that prevent soliciting products on a list > such as this. > We are all vulnerable, and subject to wishful thinking. > I hope that Factor One is a remedy, but I think that it should be > made available > to the list, and to our vets. This list should be transparent. (IMHO) > Jane > > > > > > > On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:41 AM, Sue Koren wrote: > > > Lynne, I know what you mean about the vets - my vet acted like she > > thinks I'm a pain for even asking about preventative measures. And > > it has always seemed like they considered dogs to be more > > importent. WE know better. > > What is the Factor One and what is it suppose to do? Buzz is still > > pretty healthy and I would sure like to keep him that way. He > > worries me when he pants when he plays, though. > > Sue > > > > Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > = > > Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended > > something > > called Factor One. I'm gonna call the supplier today. My vet has > > now told > > me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late. I've > > decided > > that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep > > comfortable. > > I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for him. > > Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the > > culture comes > > back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that. Our vet is a > > really nice > > guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want > > to do > > anything unless we tell him what to do. He's concerned I suppose > > about the > > expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results. > > > > Good luck with the Holistic vet. Around here this disease seems like > > something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just > > euthanize, > > which is shameful. Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested > > in dogs > > than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and > > they are > > causing problems. > > > > Lynne > > - Original Message - > > From: "Sue Koren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "FeLV Talk" > > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM > > Subject: Holistic Vets > > > > > >> Hi, All - > >> First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better. I > >> had a > > cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere near so well > > afterwards. Don't give up on that little fighter any time soon! > >> I am thinking about taking Buzz to a Holistic Vet. When I > >> questioned my > > regular vet about Immuno-Regulin and Interferon she said she had > > not heard > > of much success with those things and said I might want to consider a > > Holistic Vet. I e-mailed one and asked if they could do anything > > for a > > FeLV+ cat that would be peventative and might help them throw the > > virus. It > > is quite a distance from my home and I don't want to put Buzz > > through the > > stress of the trip if it won't do him any good. > >> Sue > >> > > > > > > > > > >
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Try checking out http://www.horizonvetserv.com/ Dr. Maier has a lot of experience with FeLV+ and may be able to give you some ideas. There are homeopathics that work wonders. I don't know what Factor One is but I have used numerous rememdies from her and from Dr. E A Boswell in Louisville with several animal friends. There are hoeopathics that work as antibiotics too..silver- max comes to mind since I recently used it with Dixie and an eye infection. I am no expert but my regular vets sent me to Dr. Boswell many years ago and they continue to refer people to her. Dr. Maier studied under Dr. Boswell. There has to be something to it. I can't explain it but I can't explain how injecting a dead virus prevents an illness either. My two cents worth only. Take what works and leave the rest. Good luck. I do know how hard this is. On Feb 20, 2008, at 8:11 AM, Lynne wrote: Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended something called Factor One. I'm gonna call the supplier today. My vet has now told me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late. I've decided that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep comfortable. I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for him. Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the culture comes back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that. Our vet is a really nice guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want to do anything unless we tell him what to do. He's concerned I suppose about the expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results. Good luck with the Holistic vet. Around here this disease seems like something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just euthanize, which is shameful. Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested in dogs than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and they are causing problems. Lynne - Original Message - From: "Sue Koren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FeLV Talk" Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM Subject: Holistic Vets Hi, All - First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better. I had a cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere near so well afterwards. Don't give up on that little fighter any time soon! I am thinking about taking Buzz to a Holistic Vet. When I questioned my regular vet about Immuno-Regulin and Interferon she said she had not heard of much success with those things and said I might want to consider a Holistic Vet. I e-mailed one and asked if they could do anything for a FeLV+ cat that would be peventative and might help them throw the virus. It is quite a distance from my home and I don't want to put Buzz through the stress of the trip if it won't do him any good. Sue
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Thank you Jane. I think of all our members and what they are experiencing as well. I think it makes us all better people and caregivers. Honestly I think the vet was wrong to suggest to us as soon as Boo was diagnosed that we consider euthanasia. It would have been far harder on me if I had not given him a fighting chance. I still will not let him suffer and if there is any indication of that, BooBoo will be crossing that bridge. My husband has suggested I not let the previous owners know what is going on with him because they would just blame us anyway, but I felt this morning that they should experience at least a bit of the pain that we have because of their neglect/stupidity. So I did email them outlining all of the tests he's been through, the suffering he has experienced with his breathing, all the nasty details including the financial impact. I'm not as kind as my husband is and unfortunately I do have a vindictive side to me. I ended my email by saying you should have all your animals tested and/or vaccinated so you won't have to experience this agony. Lynne - Original Message - From: "Jane Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:09 AM Subject: Re: Holistic Vets > Lynne > I am thinking of you and BooBoo. I know how stressful this is for the > both of you. > He is on his own path and is so lucky to know what caring and love > feels like. > Take care of yourself. > > Jane > > > > > On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:11 AM, Lynne wrote: > > > Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended > > something > > called Factor One. I'm gonna call the supplier today. My vet has > > now told > > me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late. I've > > decided > > that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep > > comfortable. > > I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for him. > > Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the > > culture comes > > back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that. Our vet is a > > really nice > > guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want > > to do > > anything unless we tell him what to do. He's concerned I suppose > > about the > > expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results. > > > > Good luck with the Holistic vet. Around here this disease seems like > > something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just > > euthanize, > > which is shameful. Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested > > in dogs > > than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and > > they are > > causing problems. > > > > Lynne > > - Original Message - > > From: "Sue Koren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "FeLV Talk" > > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM > > Subject: Holistic Vets > > > > > >> Hi, All - > >> First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better. I > >> had a > > cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere near so well > > afterwards. Don't give up on that little fighter any time soon! > >> I am thinking about taking Buzz to a Holistic Vet. When I > >> questioned my > > regular vet about Immuno-Regulin and Interferon she said she had > > not heard > > of much success with those things and said I might want to consider a > > Holistic Vet. I e-mailed one and asked if they could do anything > > for a > > FeLV+ cat that would be peventative and might help them throw the > > virus. It > > is quite a distance from my home and I don't want to put Buzz > > through the > > stress of the trip if it won't do him any good. > >> Sue > >> > > > > > >
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Lynne I am thinking of you and BooBoo. I know how stressful this is for the both of you. He is on his own path and is so lucky to know what caring and love feels like. Take care of yourself. Jane On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:11 AM, Lynne wrote: Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended something called Factor One. I'm gonna call the supplier today. My vet has now told me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late. I've decided that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep comfortable. I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for him. Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the culture comes back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that. Our vet is a really nice guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want to do anything unless we tell him what to do. He's concerned I suppose about the expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results. Good luck with the Holistic vet. Around here this disease seems like something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just euthanize, which is shameful. Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested in dogs than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and they are causing problems. Lynne - Original Message - From: "Sue Koren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FeLV Talk" Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM Subject: Holistic Vets Hi, All - First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better. I had a cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere near so well afterwards. Don't give up on that little fighter any time soon! I am thinking about taking Buzz to a Holistic Vet. When I questioned my regular vet about Immuno-Regulin and Interferon she said she had not heard of much success with those things and said I might want to consider a Holistic Vet. I e-mailed one and asked if they could do anything for a FeLV+ cat that would be peventative and might help them throw the virus. It is quite a distance from my home and I don't want to put Buzz through the stress of the trip if it won't do him any good. Sue
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Why doesn't Karen come onto the list and share Factor One? I think there are rules that prevent soliciting products on a list such as this. We are all vulnerable, and subject to wishful thinking. I hope that Factor One is a remedy, but I think that it should be made available to the list, and to our vets. This list should be transparent. (IMHO) Jane On Feb 20, 2008, at 9:41 AM, Sue Koren wrote: Lynne, I know what you mean about the vets - my vet acted like she thinks I'm a pain for even asking about preventative measures. And it has always seemed like they considered dogs to be more importent. WE know better. What is the Factor One and what is it suppose to do? Buzz is still pretty healthy and I would sure like to keep him that way. He worries me when he pants when he plays, though. Sue Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: = Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended something called Factor One. I'm gonna call the supplier today. My vet has now told me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late. I've decided that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep comfortable. I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for him. Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the culture comes back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that. Our vet is a really nice guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want to do anything unless we tell him what to do. He's concerned I suppose about the expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results. Good luck with the Holistic vet. Around here this disease seems like something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just euthanize, which is shameful. Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested in dogs than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and they are causing problems. Lynne - Original Message - From: "Sue Koren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FeLV Talk" Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM Subject: Holistic Vets Hi, All - First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better. I had a cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere near so well afterwards. Don't give up on that little fighter any time soon! I am thinking about taking Buzz to a Holistic Vet. When I questioned my regular vet about Immuno-Regulin and Interferon she said she had not heard of much success with those things and said I might want to consider a Holistic Vet. I e-mailed one and asked if they could do anything for a FeLV+ cat that would be peventative and might help them throw the virus. It is quite a distance from my home and I don't want to put Buzz through the stress of the trip if it won't do him any good. Sue
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Lynne, I know what you mean about the vets - my vet acted like she thinks I'm a pain for even asking about preventative measures. And it has always seemed like they considered dogs to be more importent. WE know better. What is the Factor One and what is it suppose to do? Buzz is still pretty healthy and I would sure like to keep him that way. He worries me when he pants when he plays, though. Sue Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: = Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended something called Factor One. I'm gonna call the supplier today. My vet has now told me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late. I've decided that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep comfortable. I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for him. Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the culture comes back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that. Our vet is a really nice guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want to do anything unless we tell him what to do. He's concerned I suppose about the expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results. Good luck with the Holistic vet. Around here this disease seems like something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just euthanize, which is shameful. Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested in dogs than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and they are causing problems. Lynne - Original Message - From: "Sue Koren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FeLV Talk" Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM Subject: Holistic Vets > Hi, All - > First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better. I had a cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere near so well afterwards. Don't give up on that little fighter any time soon! > I am thinking about taking Buzz to a Holistic Vet. When I questioned my regular vet about Immuno-Regulin and Interferon she said she had not heard of much success with those things and said I might want to consider a Holistic Vet. I e-mailed one and asked if they could do anything for a FeLV+ cat that would be peventative and might help them throw the virus. It is quite a distance from my home and I don't want to put Buzz through the stress of the trip if it won't do him any good. > Sue >
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Sue, I spoke with Karen at length last night and she recommended something called Factor One. I'm gonna call the supplier today. My vet has now told me that interferon will not help BooBoo as it is too late. I've decided that I will do what I can within reason to help BooBoo keep comfortable. I've had to stop the Doxycycline because it is too stressful for him. Perhaps we can restart it next week if he's better or if the culture comes back suggesting another antibiotic I'll try that. Our vet is a really nice guy but is not encouraging and it seems like now he does not want to do anything unless we tell him what to do. He's concerned I suppose about the expense of all this treatment and the inevitable results. Good luck with the Holistic vet. Around here this disease seems like something that has not interested a lot of vets and they just euthanize, which is shameful. Also, a lot of vets seem to be more interested in dogs than cats, probably because there are so many feral cats around and they are causing problems. Lynne - Original Message - From: "Sue Koren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FeLV Talk" Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:25 AM Subject: Holistic Vets > Hi, All - > First off, Lynn, I am so glad to hear Boo Boo is doing better. I had a cat who had fluid removed and she did not do anywhere near so well afterwards. Don't give up on that little fighter any time soon! > I am thinking about taking Buzz to a Holistic Vet. When I questioned my regular vet about Immuno-Regulin and Interferon she said she had not heard of much success with those things and said I might want to consider a Holistic Vet. I e-mailed one and asked if they could do anything for a FeLV+ cat that would be peventative and might help them throw the virus. It is quite a distance from my home and I don't want to put Buzz through the stress of the trip if it won't do him any good. > Sue >
