Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy is Anemic
I was afraid it sounded like anemia. Did she test him for hemobart? Did she say it was truly nonregenerative?? tonya Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Buzz has a red blood count of 8, the vet says it should be 30. She gave him a steriod shot. She says we could choose to give him a transfusion but that would only be a temporary fix and very expensive. He also has a bad heart murmer. Right now I am just trying to by time to look into optiions. I am very much against making a cat go through a lot of painful procedures just to buy a month or two. They just don't understand why you are doing it to them. Why can't cats take iron pills like anemic humans do? So many questions... Thanks, Sue ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy is Anemic
Any cat can be anemic. It's just much more serious for felv cats because it is often nonregenerative. In my opinion IF I could afford it, and IF your cat handles the stress of the vet ok, I would get the transfusion and see a specialist. Buy some time, in other words. tonya Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please forgive my ignorance, but I thought it was just something that happens with FeLV+ kitties. Isn't the FeLV the reason? Sue Belinda Sauro wrote: = Did she bother to find out why his HCT was 8 -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com Prepaid Legal Services ID Theft Protection http://www.prepaidlegal.com/hub/bisauro HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Buzzy is Anemic
Buzz has a red blood count of 8, the vet says it should be 30. She gave him a steriod shot. She says we could choose to give him a transfusion but that would only be a temporary fix and very expensive. He also has a bad heart murmer. Right now I am just trying to by time to look into optiions. I am very much against making a cat go through a lot of painful procedures just to buy a month or two. They just don't understand why you are doing it to them. Why can't cats take iron pills like anemic humans do? So many questions... Thanks, Sue ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy is Anemic
I'm so sorry, Sue. I know cats have come back from bouts of anemia but you do have to weigh the options. Hope he feels better in the meantime with the shot. Diane R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sue Koren Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 11:38 AM To: FeLV Talk Subject: [Felvtalk] Buzzy is Anemic Buzz has a red blood count of 8, the vet says it should be 30. She gave him a steriod shot. She says we could choose to give him a transfusion but that would only be a temporary fix and very expensive. He also has a bad heart murmer. Right now I am just trying to by time to look into optiions. I am very much against making a cat go through a lot of painful procedures just to buy a month or two. They just don't understand why you are doing it to them. Why can't cats take iron pills like anemic humans do? So many questions... Thanks, Sue ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy is Anemic
I was curious about the mention of wishing cats could take iron...so searched the web and found this: Some veterinarians recommend giving a cat iron supplements, not as a cure, but rather as a preventative to ensure the production of healthy red blood cells. Certain steroids can help in stimulating the appetite and there are also drugs that appear to stimulate the production of erythropoietin. It was part of an article on feline anemia written by a Donna Reynolds. Just thought it was interesting. - Original Message - From: Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FeLV Talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 12:37 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Buzzy is Anemic Buzz has a red blood count of 8, the vet says it should be 30. She gave him a steriod shot. She says we could choose to give him a transfusion but that would only be a temporary fix and very expensive. He also has a bad heart murmer. Right now I am just trying to by time to look into optiions. I am very much against making a cat go through a lot of painful procedures just to buy a month or two. They just don't understand why you are doing it to them. Why can't cats take iron pills like anemic humans do? So many questions... Thanks, Sue ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy is Anemic
Sue, get a copy of the blood work and post the test results and lab ranges. Depending on the type of anemia there are things you can do. There is a Yahoo Anemia group you can join. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline_Anemia/ A transfusion buys you time for a treatment plan to kick in. I add a B super complex and folic acid to the canned food for my FeLV+ cats. There is a supplement called NutriVed that can be purchased on line that also has iron. If Buzz has non-regenerative anemia you can give him epogen shots. Anemia caused by Hemobartonella can be treated, I just don't know what is used. The cost of a transfusion varies greatly. You might want to check around. It is my understating that receiving a transfusion is not painful. Sharyl --- On Fri, 7/25/08, Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Felvtalk] Buzzy is Anemic To: FeLV Talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, July 25, 2008, 12:37 PM Buzz has a red blood count of 8, the vet says it should be 30. She gave him a steriod shot. She says we could choose to give him a transfusion but that would only be a temporary fix and very expensive. He also has a bad heart murmer. Right now I am just trying to by time to look into optiions. I am very much against making a cat go through a lot of painful procedures just to buy a month or two. They just don't understand why you are doing it to them. Why can't cats take iron pills like anemic humans do? So many questions... Thanks, Sue ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy is Anemic
I'm sorry to hear Buzz is not feeling well Sue and the fact he is anemic. Do you have any info about his platelet count? His quick breathing could be due to the anemia. My Boo had a heart murmer as does our 19 year old. I never worried much about that. Heck I have one too and it doesn't make a difference in my life. My vet offered a blood transfusion even when we were in a hopeless situation and as I recall it wasn't that expensive a procedure. Before going to any extremes I would get a complete explanation of all of his blood work. I remember when I showed this doc in the building Boos blood work he called his vet who told me to let him go. Of course we didn't and spent several hundred dollars more trying to keep him alive. I'm sorry to sound hopeless here but there are some instances where nothing will work. I sometimes think we put BooBoo through hell trying to keep him alive and should not have. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FeLV Talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 12:37 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Buzzy is Anemic Buzz has a red blood count of 8, the vet says it should be 30. She gave him a steriod shot. She says we could choose to give him a transfusion but that would only be a temporary fix and very expensive. He also has a bad heart murmer. Right now I am just trying to by time to look into optiions. I am very much against making a cat go through a lot of painful procedures just to buy a month or two. They just don't understand why you are doing it to them. Why can't cats take iron pills like anemic humans do? So many questions... Thanks, Sue ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3299 (20080725) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy is Anemic
Did she bother to find out why his HCT was 8 -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com Prepaid Legal Services ID Theft Protection http://www.prepaidlegal.com/hub/bisauro HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy is Anemic
Please forgive my ignorance, but I thought it was just something that happens with FeLV+ kitties. Isn't the FeLV the reason? Sue Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: = Did she bother to find out why his HCT was 8 -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com Prepaid Legal Services ID Theft Protection http://www.prepaidlegal.com/hub/bisauro HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy is Anemic
Many things can cause anemia in positives and negatives, just because a cat is positive and becomes anemic doesn't mean the reason for it shouldn't be sought and treated. One likely cause for a cat to become anemic is hemobartonella which is extremely difficult to test for ... I know more than one cat that would be dead if their owner had not insisted on treating with doxocycline even when the test said more than once they were negative, I know one girl had to test her cat 5 times before they got a positive result, thank goodness the vet had the foresight to treat with doxy ... that cat is still alive. Please ask your vet about doxy, it won't hurt if Buzzy is truly negative for hemobartonella but may well save his life if he is positive for it. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com Prepaid Legal Services ID Theft Protection http://www.prepaidlegal.com/hub/bisauro HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy is Anemic
The concern with giving iron to a cat who doesn't need it is the effects of iron build up. The B vitamins including folic acid are water soluble and really can't be overdosed. The same is not true for iron. In layman terms there are issues giving iron to a cat with a infection. Infections feed on iron so the body sequesters the iron. You don't want to make it harder for the body to fight off the infection. Please understand I do not have a medical background. Sharyl --- On Fri, 7/25/08, Pat Kachur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Pat Kachur [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy is Anemic To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, July 25, 2008, 12:53 PM I was curious about the mention of wishing cats could take iron...so searched the web and found this: Some veterinarians recommend giving a cat iron supplements, not as a cure, but rather as a preventative to ensure the production of healthy red blood cells. Certain steroids can help in stimulating the appetite and there are also drugs that appear to stimulate the production of erythropoietin. It was part of an article on feline anemia written by a Donna Reynolds. Just thought it was interesting. - Original Message - From: Sue Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FeLV Talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 12:37 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Buzzy is Anemic Buzz has a red blood count of 8, the vet says it should be 30. She gave him a steriod shot. She says we could choose to give him a transfusion but that would only be a temporary fix and very expensive. He also has a bad heart murmer. Right now I am just trying to by time to look into optiions. I am very much against making a cat go through a lot of painful procedures just to buy a month or two. They just don't understand why you are doing it to them. Why can't cats take iron pills like anemic humans do? So many questions... Thanks, Sue ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy is Anemic
I believe you can look into Procrit. There is another brand for it but I cannot remember the name right now. It is expensive and must be administered in tiny doses with a syringe sub cutaneously but I had my cat on it years ago that had FIV and it really brought her back to life. Ask your vet about this. The medicine can be purchased for the least expensive price through Costco - at least, that was true about 3 years ago. It comes in a 1 ml vial that you should be able to spread over 6 - 7 days. I don't think you would have any luck with iron tablets. B-6 can be given in an injection for the best results and cannot be overdosed. That is an inexpensive solution until the anemia gets so bad you must try something like the Procrit to keep your kitty feeling well. The most important thing is asking a really qualified vet who knows a lot about anemia. Best wishes, Charlotte and Muffin---BeginMessage--- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ---End Message--- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy is Anemic
I know I am totally too late here to make any difference, but myToken had a pcv equally low...and with serious steroid treatments (plous other meds and rx food) he recoveredholding Buzz and his mom in my prayers.Debbie (COL)You gotta bloom where you're planted! Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:37:55 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Buzzy is Anemic Buzz has a red blood count of 8, the vet says it should be 30. She gave him a steriod shot. She says we could choose to give him a transfusion but that would only be a temporary fix and very expensive. He also has a bad heart murmer. Right now I am just trying to by time to look into optiions. I am very much against making a cat go through a lot of painful procedures just to buy a month or two. They just don't understand why you are doing it to them. Why can't cats take iron pills like anemic humans do? So many questions... Thanks, Sue ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.orgIiI _ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Buzzy is Anemic
Bailey was on the other name for the procrit, it is epogen. Bailey bacame anemic and we did a bone marrow aspirate and tested for hemobartonella. I had him on doxy even though he tested negative. He had precancerous cells in his marrow and the oncologist my vet consulted with, he was her mentor in vet school, said to put him on epogen and a fairly high dose of prednisolone, where I live it is a bit cheaper than procrit. His HCT went down before it went up, we started the epogen when it was 18%, it went to 15%, then started going up. When he passed from undiagnosed pancreatic cancer, his HCT was still normal at 32% or 33%. It is normally dosed at 3 times a week to start, with the cat being carefully monitored to make sure it doesn't go up too quickly. It took 6 weeks for Bailey's HCT to go from 15% to 40%, once it got to 40% we spread the dose to once a week, that kept it at 32% to 34% which is normal. It is fairly common for the HCT to go down and can take up to 3 weeks, with some cats even longer, before it goes up. We did every test we could think of to find the cancer we suspected, my vet didn't feel comfortable treating for cancer without knowing what kind or where. We never found it, it was upon his death we found out what and where. If you don't do something quickly Buzzy will die, if he is having breathing problems he is in extreme danger. I lost my Frankie to this when he started breathing funny I took him to the vet, his HCT was 6%, my then vet didn't express to me how dangerous this or how close to death he was, so I took him home to decide whether or not to do the transfusion, he died that night. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com Prepaid Legal Services ID Theft Protection http://www.prepaidlegal.com/hub/bisauro HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
