Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver
Yaay for Oliver! Feline acne, especially in cats with some white fur is not serious. I usually use a flea comb on their chin or other parts to remove the crud. Then I use a very mild baby soap to gently wash the area, rinse it with wet wash cloth and pat it dry. I do this until the acne finally goes away. Sometimes it returns and I have to do it again. I think the cause is grease from the cat food getting on their fur and clogging their pores. Some of my calicos, or white or tabby and white cats used to get it. I have one cat who gets it quite frequently. It's fortunate that she's a sweety and doesn't resent my washing her chin fur. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Don mosquito.d...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver Just an update. I took Oliver in today as he has some pretty bad acne on his chin and while we were there I had them do a retest (snap) FIV/leukemia test. He was negative for both, so it appears as the first positive test we got about a month ago was a false positive and the infection he had was likely just another virus. We pretty much expected this once the IFC tests were both negative but it was nice to have confirmation. Thanks for the all the replies with advice. Don and Oliver On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Don mosquito.d...@gmail.com wrote: Hello. Our boy Oliver, has been doing well since his brothers passing due to CRF last Feb but in the past year or so we have seen some signs that we had been reading as old age (less grooming, weight loss...he just turned 15 this August). Thursday night he was acting lethargic and seemed to be warm to the touch. I dropped him off at our vet who suggest it might just be a virus (most of this blood panel was good, except a low white blood cell count, now 2% below normal HCT values since July, and a 105 F temperature). He suggested we might test him for leukemia and FIV as he wanted to rule it out even though Oliver has always been an indoor cat (he used a ELISA snap test...as far as we know he has never been tested for feLV or FIV). The bad news came later when he called to say he was positive for both. He said the FIV could be false if Oliver was every given an FIV vaccination (he has), but the other was likely true (and also explained the low white count and the fever, and now in retrospect some of the other issues). The vet thinks he may have had this all his life and is just now experiencing the symptoms. So now he is home and although I have read up some and don't see much hope, I wondered if anyone can offer any advice. We have sent the blood off to get the more sophisticated test but won't hear back until next week. Our vet, who is the best I have had, suggested perhaps he will last a few weeks or months, given that he is showing signs that his body might be losing the battle (low white cells, anemia). I'm trying to be optimistic, but with no treatments I know this is probably a battle we cannot win. Here are my questions: 1. We have 2 other cats who we think have had the feLV booster recently (they are 14 and 16 years old and got the immunization as kittens). Are they in danger? If they got shots as kittens would they be still safe? We have Oliver with his own litter box and am making sure they use separate water and food bowls. There is not grooming among them. 2. Is there anyway to know if Oliver can still fight off the virus and become free of it? If he did have it for 14-15 years, then why does he have symptoms now? If it was a recent exposure (we cannot think of any way he would have gotten it) then could he still be fine? 3. He seems fine now (no fever, eating, drinking, using the litter box, etc.) so is this a good sign that perhaps he is able to fight it off or is this just a false hope. 4. If the other test is positive, would anyone suggest using the LTCI treatment? I have not found good scientific info on it's effectiveness although there appear to be no major side effects. Thanks. Don and Oliver ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver
Re: acne---if you haven't done, try changing to metal food/water dishes. Sometimes ceramic or plastic hold bacteria that get on the cat's face cause acne. Metal can also be cleaned more thoroughly... -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of longhornf...@verizon.net Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 8:10 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver Fantastic news! I'm so happy for you Oliver. I can relate to the kitty acne. I had a big orange white boy who had it but it did not last too long. I took the same steps that Lee described. Congrats! Happy to hear some good news :) Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com Sender: Felvtalk felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2012 23:08:56 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-to: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver
Thanks for the responses. Just a note, we already use a metal water bowl, although when he was sick a few weeks back we added a ceramic bowl in our bedroom. We have now eliminated that one and will see if that helps. Don and Oliver On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Don mosquito.d...@gmail.com wrote: Just an update. I took Oliver in today as he has some pretty bad acne on his chin and while we were there I had them do a retest (snap) FIV/leukemia test. He was negative for both, so it appears as the first positive test we got about a month ago was a false positive and the infection he had was likely just another virus. We pretty much expected this once the IFC tests were both negative but it was nice to have confirmation. Thanks for the all the replies with advice. Don and Oliver On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Don mosquito.d...@gmail.com wrote: Hello. Our boy Oliver, has been doing well since his brothers passing due to CRF last Feb but in the past year or so we have seen some signs that we had been reading as old age (less grooming, weight loss...he just turned 15 this August). Thursday night he was acting lethargic and seemed to be warm to the touch. I dropped him off at our vet who suggest it might just be a virus (most of this blood panel was good, except a low white blood cell count, now 2% below normal HCT values since July, and a 105 F temperature). He suggested we might test him for leukemia and FIV as he wanted to rule it out even though Oliver has always been an indoor cat (he used a ELISA snap test...as far as we know he has never been tested for feLV or FIV). The bad news came later when he called to say he was positive for both. He said the FIV could be false if Oliver was every given an FIV vaccination (he has), but the other was likely true (and also explained the low white count and the fever, and now in retrospect some of the other issues). The vet thinks he may have had this all his life and is just now experiencing the symptoms. So now he is home and although I have read up some and don't see much hope, I wondered if anyone can offer any advice. We have sent the blood off to get the more sophisticated test but won't hear back until next week. Our vet, who is the best I have had, suggested perhaps he will last a few weeks or months, given that he is showing signs that his body might be losing the battle (low white cells, anemia). I'm trying to be optimistic, but with no treatments I know this is probably a battle we cannot win. Here are my questions: 1. We have 2 other cats who we think have had the feLV booster recently (they are 14 and 16 years old and got the immunization as kittens). Are they in danger? If they got shots as kittens would they be still safe? We have Oliver with his own litter box and am making sure they use separate water and food bowls. There is not grooming among them. 2. Is there anyway to know if Oliver can still fight off the virus and become free of it? If he did have it for 14-15 years, then why does he have symptoms now? If it was a recent exposure (we cannot think of any way he would have gotten it) then could he still be fine? 3. He seems fine now (no fever, eating, drinking, using the litter box, etc.) so is this a good sign that perhaps he is able to fight it off or is this just a false hope. 4. If the other test is positive, would anyone suggest using the LTCI treatment? I have not found good scientific info on it's effectiveness although there appear to be no major side effects. Thanks. Don and Oliver ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver
I heard that too. Plastic can do it.I also read in Joey's Green book to: wash the area with ivory soap.Also, apply Fruit of the Earth Aloe Vera.I use paper,metal,ceramic dishes. Sometimes plastic gets used too.Cathy Bronx N Y From: Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver Re: acne---if you haven't done, try changing to metal food/water dishes. Sometimes ceramic or plastic hold bacteria that get on the cat's face cause acne. Metal can also be cleaned more thoroughly... -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of longhornf...@verizon.net Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 8:10 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver Fantastic news! I'm so happy for you Oliver. I can relate to the kitty acne. I had a big orange white boy who had it but it did not last too long. I took the same steps that Lee described. Congrats! Happy to hear some good news :) Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com Sender: Felvtalk felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2012 23:08:56 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-to: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver
Just an update. I took Oliver in today as he has some pretty bad acne on his chin and while we were there I had them do a retest (snap) FIV/leukemia test. He was negative for both, so it appears as the first positive test we got about a month ago was a false positive and the infection he had was likely just another virus. We pretty much expected this once the IFC tests were both negative but it was nice to have confirmation. Thanks for the all the replies with advice. Don and Oliver On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Don mosquito.d...@gmail.com wrote: Hello. Our boy Oliver, has been doing well since his brothers passing due to CRF last Feb but in the past year or so we have seen some signs that we had been reading as old age (less grooming, weight loss...he just turned 15 this August). Thursday night he was acting lethargic and seemed to be warm to the touch. I dropped him off at our vet who suggest it might just be a virus (most of this blood panel was good, except a low white blood cell count, now 2% below normal HCT values since July, and a 105 F temperature). He suggested we might test him for leukemia and FIV as he wanted to rule it out even though Oliver has always been an indoor cat (he used a ELISA snap test...as far as we know he has never been tested for feLV or FIV). The bad news came later when he called to say he was positive for both. He said the FIV could be false if Oliver was every given an FIV vaccination (he has), but the other was likely true (and also explained the low white count and the fever, and now in retrospect some of the other issues). The vet thinks he may have had this all his life and is just now experiencing the symptoms. So now he is home and although I have read up some and don't see much hope, I wondered if anyone can offer any advice. We have sent the blood off to get the more sophisticated test but won't hear back until next week. Our vet, who is the best I have had, suggested perhaps he will last a few weeks or months, given that he is showing signs that his body might be losing the battle (low white cells, anemia). I'm trying to be optimistic, but with no treatments I know this is probably a battle we cannot win. Here are my questions: 1. We have 2 other cats who we think have had the feLV booster recently (they are 14 and 16 years old and got the immunization as kittens). Are they in danger? If they got shots as kittens would they be still safe? We have Oliver with his own litter box and am making sure they use separate water and food bowls. There is not grooming among them. 2. Is there anyway to know if Oliver can still fight off the virus and become free of it? If he did have it for 14-15 years, then why does he have symptoms now? If it was a recent exposure (we cannot think of any way he would have gotten it) then could he still be fine? 3. He seems fine now (no fever, eating, drinking, using the litter box, etc.) so is this a good sign that perhaps he is able to fight it off or is this just a false hope. 4. If the other test is positive, would anyone suggest using the LTCI treatment? I have not found good scientific info on it's effectiveness although there appear to be no major side effects. Thanks. Don and Oliver ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver
Don, How cool that this worked out so well! I hope that acne clears up quickly. ;-) Skritches to Oliver. Diane R. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Don Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 8:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver Just an update. I took Oliver in today as he has some pretty bad acne on his chin and while we were there I had them do a retest (snap) FIV/leukemia test. He was negative for both, so it appears as the first positive test we got about a month ago was a false positive and the infection he had was likely just another virus. We pretty much expected this once the IFC tests were both negative but it was nice to have confirmation. Thanks for the all the replies with advice. Don and Oliver On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Don mosquito.d...@gmail.com wrote: Hello. Our boy Oliver, has been doing well since his brothers passing due to CRF last Feb but in the past year or so we have seen some signs that we had been reading as old age (less grooming, weight loss...he just turned 15 this August). Thursday night he was acting lethargic and seemed to be warm to the touch. I dropped him off at our vet who suggest it might just be a virus (most of this blood panel was good, except a low white blood cell count, now 2% below normal HCT values since July, and a 105 F temperature). He suggested we might test him for leukemia and FIV as he wanted to rule it out even though Oliver has always been an indoor cat (he used a ELISA snap test...as far as we know he has never been tested for feLV or FIV). The bad news came later when he called to say he was positive for both. He said the FIV could be false if Oliver was every given an FIV vaccination (he has), but the other was likely true (and also explained the low white count and the fever, and now in retrospect some of the other issues). The vet thinks he may have had this all his life and is just now experiencing the symptoms. So now he is home and although I have read up some and don't see much hope, I wondered if anyone can offer any advice. We have sent the blood off to get the more sophisticated test but won't hear back until next week. Our vet, who is the best I have had, suggested perhaps he will last a few weeks or months, given that he is showing signs that his body might be losing the battle (low white cells, anemia). I'm trying to be optimistic, but with no treatments I know this is probably a battle we cannot win. Here are my questions: 1. We have 2 other cats who we think have had the feLV booster recently (they are 14 and 16 years old and got the immunization as kittens). Are they in danger? If they got shots as kittens would they be still safe? We have Oliver with his own litter box and am making sure they use separate water and food bowls. There is not grooming among them. 2. Is there anyway to know if Oliver can still fight off the virus and become free of it? If he did have it for 14-15 years, then why does he have symptoms now? If it was a recent exposure (we cannot think of any way he would have gotten it) then could he still be fine? 3. He seems fine now (no fever, eating, drinking, using the litter box, etc.) so is this a good sign that perhaps he is able to fight it off or is this just a false hope. 4. If the other test is positive, would anyone suggest using the LTCI treatment? I have not found good scientific info on it's effectiveness although there appear to be no major side effects. Thanks. Don and Oliver ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver
That's great news; you must be relieved!~I just don't understand why your vet would have even considered the possibility of FeLV/FIV if the cat was always indoors! There are so many other reasons for those symptoms! The whole thing seems odd! You may want to look into and consider RenAvast for Oliver's kidneys! www.renavast.com - there have been some excellent results! Our 18+ Spook has been on RenAvast and just now has CRF which I am treating with daily sub-q fluids, RenAvast, Calcitriol, and Pepcid AC. BTW - for chin acne, use only non-porous dishes like ceramic, glass, stainless steel - not plastic! ALL'S WELL THAT ENDS WELL, ISN'T IT? Natalie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Diane Rosenfeldt Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 10:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver Don, How cool that this worked out so well! I hope that acne clears up quickly. ;-) Skritches to Oliver. Diane R. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Don Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 8:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver Just an update. I took Oliver in today as he has some pretty bad acne on his chin and while we were there I had them do a retest (snap) FIV/leukemia test. He was negative for both, so it appears as the first positive test we got about a month ago was a false positive and the infection he had was likely just another virus. We pretty much expected this once the IFC tests were both negative but it was nice to have confirmation. Thanks for the all the replies with advice. Don and Oliver On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Don mosquito.d...@gmail.com wrote: Hello. Our boy Oliver, has been doing well since his brothers passing due to CRF last Feb but in the past year or so we have seen some signs that we had been reading as old age (less grooming, weight loss...he just turned 15 this August). Thursday night he was acting lethargic and seemed to be warm to the touch. I dropped him off at our vet who suggest it might just be a virus (most of this blood panel was good, except a low white blood cell count, now 2% below normal HCT values since July, and a 105 F temperature). He suggested we might test him for leukemia and FIV as he wanted to rule it out even though Oliver has always been an indoor cat (he used a ELISA snap test...as far as we know he has never been tested for feLV or FIV). The bad news came later when he called to say he was positive for both. He said the FIV could be false if Oliver was every given an FIV vaccination (he has), but the other was likely true (and also explained the low white count and the fever, and now in retrospect some of the other issues). The vet thinks he may have had this all his life and is just now experiencing the symptoms. So now he is home and although I have read up some and don't see much hope, I wondered if anyone can offer any advice. We have sent the blood off to get the more sophisticated test but won't hear back until next week. Our vet, who is the best I have had, suggested perhaps he will last a few weeks or months, given that he is showing signs that his body might be losing the battle (low white cells, anemia). I'm trying to be optimistic, but with no treatments I know this is probably a battle we cannot win. Here are my questions: 1. We have 2 other cats who we think have had the feLV booster recently (they are 14 and 16 years old and got the immunization as kittens). Are they in danger? If they got shots as kittens would they be still safe? We have Oliver with his own litter box and am making sure they use separate water and food bowls. There is not grooming among them. 2. Is there anyway to know if Oliver can still fight off the virus and become free of it? If he did have it for 14-15 years, then why does he have symptoms now? If it was a recent exposure (we cannot think of any way he would have gotten it) then could he still be fine? 3. He seems fine now (no fever, eating, drinking, using the litter box, etc.) so is this a good sign that perhaps he is able to fight it off or is this just a false hope. 4. If the other test is positive, would anyone suggest using the LTCI treatment? I have not found good scientific info on it's effectiveness although there appear to be no major side effects. Thanks. Don and Oliver ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver
Well his IFA was negative. I need to talk to the vet but I guess we can (perhaps) discount him being actively viremic. Anyone have any suggestions? Thanks. Don and Oliver On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 8:51 PM, Don mosquito.d...@gmail.com wrote: Hello. Our boy Oliver, has been doing well since his brothers passing due to CRF last Feb but in the past year or so we have seen some signs that we had been reading as old age (less grooming, weight loss...he just turned 15 this August). Thursday night he was acting lethargic and seemed to be warm to the touch. I dropped him off at our vet who suggest it might just be a virus (most of this blood panel was good, except a low white blood cell count, now 2% below normal HCT values since July, and a 105 F temperature). He suggested we might test him for leukemia and FIV as he wanted to rule it out even though Oliver has always been an indoor cat (he used a ELISA snap test...as far as we know he has never been tested for feLV or FIV). The bad news came later when he called to say he was positive for both. He said the FIV could be false if Oliver was every given an FIV vaccination (he has), but the other was likely true (and also explained the low white count and the fever, and now in retrospect some of the other issues). The vet thinks he may have had this all his life and is just now experiencing the symptoms. So now he is home and although I have read up some and don't see much hope, I wondered if anyone can offer any advice. We have sent the blood off to get the more sophisticated test but won't hear back until next week. Our vet, who is the best I have had, suggested perhaps he will last a few weeks or months, given that he is showing signs that his body might be losing the battle (low white cells, anemia). I'm trying to be optimistic, but with no treatments I know this is probably a battle we cannot win. Here are my questions: 1. We have 2 other cats who we think have had the feLV booster recently (they are 14 and 16 years old and got the immunization as kittens). Are they in danger? If they got shots as kittens would they be still safe? We have Oliver with his own litter box and am making sure they use separate water and food bowls. There is not grooming among them. 2. Is there anyway to know if Oliver can still fight off the virus and become free of it? If he did have it for 14-15 years, then why does he have symptoms now? If it was a recent exposure (we cannot think of any way he would have gotten it) then could he still be fine? 3. He seems fine now (no fever, eating, drinking, using the litter box, etc.) so is this a good sign that perhaps he is able to fight it off or is this just a false hope. 4. If the other test is positive, would anyone suggest using the LTCI treatment? I have not found good scientific info on it's effectiveness although there appear to be no major side effects. Thanks. Don and Oliver ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver
Most of my FeLV cats have died from anemia. Your other cats may be ok.if he has been positive for all this time there's no reason to separate them now. Our shelter had a hoarding case a few yrs ago where some of the cats were FeLV positive but most were not remained negative after a lengthy quaranteen. Some just develop natural immunity. You do need to get them tested, though. I personally would not have spent the money on an IFA test at this point. You just have to treat him like any other cat who is ill. Treat the symptoms. Did they say what the red blood cell count was? Beth Don mosquito.d...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for your note Lee. I am an old hand when it comes to long term care for a sick cat. We nursed Oliver's brother, Milo, for 3 years with CRF and a heart condition. I cannot count the number of subQ sessions, pills, and assisted feedings I did. Through all of it I educated myself on every aspect of the disease and treatments. Our first vet told us we have 3-6 months, and we had that and a lot more. I also went through several vets until I found one who seemed not only to understand but to try. All of what you said makes sense, but I also wonder about his fever. On Thursday it was 105 but tonight it is normal. What could be made from this? He did get a antibiotic shot. I assumed that the fever was being caused by the virus, but I guess it could have been due to something else. Thanks again. Don and Oliver On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm sorry you're going through this unhappy experience with Oliver. First of all, I would just like to mention that the FIV vaccine is always a bad idea. It turns the cat positive on testing. If the cat gets lost, picked up by someone who tests him and is not aware that FIV is NOT contagious by any way but deep biting, usually in a fight for mating superiority, then the cat would be killed by a vet or by Animal Control. So please don't use this vaccine. It does nothing to protect your cat because neutering is what protects most cats from FIV, no mating, no fighting, no biting into blood vessels. OK. Back to Oliver. Since you didn't have him tested when you originally offered him your home, he may have been a carrier of FeLv all these years and your other cats, who have been living with him are still healthy so don't worry yourself too much. One of my cats, Tiger, lived to be 14. He had been tested twice for FeLv but tested negative. The disease sometimes hides in the bone marrow and does not show up on the test. He did become very ill towards the end, but it was renal failure that caused his death. Because he was showing symptoms of anorexia and anemia, the vet tested him and he was FeLv+. However, my vet said that if he hadn't had renal failure, he may have survived another year with good nutrition and antibiotics. Tiger lived with 12 other cats. They ate, drank together and used each others litter boxes. They groomed each other and slept together. They were like one big family. None of the other cats ever tested positive for anything even several years after Tiger passed. The very best that you can do now for Oliver is allow him to live whatever the rest of his life is as he has lived the past 15 years, happily and peacefully with not a whole lot of vet visits or stress. Whatever medication you want to try, is OK as long as you research it. This is only my own opinion. You have to take into account what your vet tells you also. It may or may not be FeLv that has become active. It could be an ordinary virus or bacterial infection. Vets tend to jump on the first thing that they are taught might be fatal. I have quite a few FIV+ cats. Every time they get an upper resp. infection, the vet tells me that of course, they are more prone to get infections than ordinary cats. Which isn't true because my regular cats get the sneezes and runny noses more often than the FIV+ cats. I have learned not to do battle with old fashioned thinking in veterinarians. But I do gently remind them that I have had a lot of cats in for URI who were not positive for anything but URI. I will keep Oliver and you in my thoughts. Just keep on loving him and try to lower your own stress level so he won't feel something is wrong. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! -- *From:* Don mosquito.d...@gmail.com *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Saturday, September 8, 2012 8:51 PM *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver Hello. Our boy Oliver, has been doing well since his brothers passing due to CRF last Feb but in the past year or so we have seen some signs that we had been reading as old age (less grooming, weight loss...he just turned 15 this August). Thursday night he was acting lethargic and seemed to be warm to the touch. I dropped him off at our vet
Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver
Hi Beth, His HCT was 28% (2% below normal). Thanks. On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 6:38 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Most of my FeLV cats have died from anemia. Your other cats may be ok.if he has been positive for all this time there's no reason to separate them now. Our shelter had a hoarding case a few yrs ago where some of the cats were FeLV positive but most were not remained negative after a lengthy quaranteen. Some just develop natural immunity. You do need to get them tested, though. I personally would not have spent the money on an IFA test at this point. You just have to treat him like any other cat who is ill. Treat the symptoms. Did they say what the red blood cell count was? Beth Don mosquito.d...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for your note Lee. I am an old hand when it comes to long term care for a sick cat. We nursed Oliver's brother, Milo, for 3 years with CRF and a heart condition. I cannot count the number of subQ sessions, pills, and assisted feedings I did. Through all of it I educated myself on every aspect of the disease and treatments. Our first vet told us we have 3-6 months, and we had that and a lot more. I also went through several vets until I found one who seemed not only to understand but to try. All of what you said makes sense, but I also wonder about his fever. On Thursday it was 105 but tonight it is normal. What could be made from this? He did get a antibiotic shot. I assumed that the fever was being caused by the virus, but I guess it could have been due to something else. Thanks again. Don and Oliver On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm sorry you're going through this unhappy experience with Oliver. First of all, I would just like to mention that the FIV vaccine is always a bad idea. It turns the cat positive on testing. If the cat gets lost, picked up by someone who tests him and is not aware that FIV is NOT contagious by any way but deep biting, usually in a fight for mating superiority, then the cat would be killed by a vet or by Animal Control. So please don't use this vaccine. It does nothing to protect your cat because neutering is what protects most cats from FIV, no mating, no fighting, no biting into blood vessels. OK. Back to Oliver. Since you didn't have him tested when you originally offered him your home, he may have been a carrier of FeLv all these years and your other cats, who have been living with him are still healthy so don't worry yourself too much. One of my cats, Tiger, lived to be 14. He had been tested twice for FeLv but tested negative. The disease sometimes hides in the bone marrow and does not show up on the test. He did become very ill towards the end, but it was renal failure that caused his death. Because he was showing symptoms of anorexia and anemia, the vet tested him and he was FeLv+. However, my vet said that if he hadn't had renal failure, he may have survived another year with good nutrition and antibiotics. Tiger lived with 12 other cats. They ate, drank together and used each others litter boxes. They groomed each other and slept together. They were like one big family. None of the other cats ever tested positive for anything even several years after Tiger passed. The very best that you can do now for Oliver is allow him to live whatever the rest of his life is as he has lived the past 15 years, happily and peacefully with not a whole lot of vet visits or stress. Whatever medication you want to try, is OK as long as you research it. This is only my own opinion. You have to take into account what your vet tells you also. It may or may not be FeLv that has become active. It could be an ordinary virus or bacterial infection. Vets tend to jump on the first thing that they are taught might be fatal. I have quite a few FIV+ cats. Every time they get an upper resp. infection, the vet tells me that of course, they are more prone to get infections than ordinary cats. Which isn't true because my regular cats get the sneezes and runny noses more often than the FIV+ cats. I have learned not to do battle with old fashioned thinking in veterinarians. But I do gently remind them that I have had a lot of cats in for URI who were not positive for anything but URI. I will keep Oliver and you in my thoughts. Just keep on loving him and try to lower your own stress level so he won't feel something is wrong. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! -- *From:* Don mosquito.d...@gmail.com *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Saturday, September 8, 2012 8:51 PM *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver Hello. Our boy Oliver, has been doing well since his brothers passing due to CRF last Feb but in the past year or so we
Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver
Don, It is amazing that Oliver has lived to be 15 with a FelV+ status. Most of my FelV+ cats either die of anemia or they lose the use of their back legs due to tumors on the spine. If Oliver has made it this long I'd just keep him happy and and give him plenty of TLC. 15 is about the end of life for most cats anyway, and the fact that he lived this long is proof you are taking excellent care of him. As for your other two cats. At 14 and 16, they are also reaching the end of their lives, and I think they will be fine if they haven't gotten the virus so far. Just keep all three of them happy and stress free. This really helps, and I have found heroic measures don't help, they only prolong the inevitable. pain and stress for the time the cat has left as well as well as emotional and financial hell for youself. Lorrie On 09-08, Don wrote: Hello. Our boy Oliver, has been doing well since his brothers passing due to CRF last Feb but in the past year or so we have seen some signs that we had been reading as old age (less grooming, weight loss...he just turned 15 this August). Thursday night he was acting lethargic and seemed to be warm to the touch. I dropped him off at our vet who suggest it might just be a virus (most of this blood panel was good, except a low white blood cell count, now 2% below normal HCT values since July, and a 105 F temperature). He suggested we might test him for leukemia and FIV as he wanted to rule it out even though Oliver has always been an indoor cat (he used a ELISA snap test...as far as we know he has never been tested for feLV or FIV). The bad news came later when he called to say he was positive for both. He said the FIV could be false if Oliver was every given an FIV vaccination (he has), but the other was likely true (and also explained the low white count and the fever, and now in retrospect some of the other issues). The vet thinks he may have had this all his life and is just now experiencing the symptoms. So now he is home and although I have read up some and don't see much hope, I wondered if anyone can offer any advice. We have sent the blood off to get the more sophisticated test but won't hear back until next week. Our vet, who is the best I have had, suggested perhaps he will last a few weeks or months, given that he is showing signs that his body might be losing the battle (low white cells, anemia). I'm trying to be optimistic, but with no treatments I know this is probably a battle we cannot win. Here are my questions: 1. We have 2 other cats who we think have had the feLV booster recently (they are 14 and 16 years old and got the immunization as kittens). Are they in danger? If they got shots as kittens would they be still safe? We have Oliver with his own litter box and am making sure they use separate water and food bowls. There is not grooming among them. 2. Is there anyway to know if Oliver can still fight off the virus and become free of it? If he did have it for 14-15 years, then why does he have symptoms now? If it was a recent exposure (we cannot think of any way he would have gotten it) then could he still be fine? 3. He seems fine now (no fever, eating, drinking, using the litter box, etc.) so is this a good sign that perhaps he is able to fight it off or is this just a false hope. 4. If the other test is positive, would anyone suggest using the LTCI treatment? I have not found good scientific info on it's effectiveness although there appear to be no major side effects. Thanks. Don and Oliver ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver
How are Oliver's kidney values? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 9:58 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver Don, It is amazing that Oliver has lived to be 15 with a FelV+ status. Most of my FelV+ cats either die of anemia or they lose the use of their back legs due to tumors on the spine. If Oliver has made it this long I'd just keep him happy and and give him plenty of TLC. 15 is about the end of life for most cats anyway, and the fact that he lived this long is proof you are taking excellent care of him. As for your other two cats. At 14 and 16, they are also reaching the end of their lives, and I think they will be fine if they haven't gotten the virus so far. Just keep all three of them happy and stress free. This really helps, and I have found heroic measures don't help, they only prolong the inevitable. pain and stress for the time the cat has left as well as well as emotional and financial hell for youself. Lorrie On 09-08, Don wrote: Hello. Our boy Oliver, has been doing well since his brothers passing due to CRF last Feb but in the past year or so we have seen some signs that we had been reading as old age (less grooming, weight loss...he just turned 15 this August). Thursday night he was acting lethargic and seemed to be warm to the touch. I dropped him off at our vet who suggest it might just be a virus (most of this blood panel was good, except a low white blood cell count, now 2% below normal HCT values since July, and a 105 F temperature). He suggested we might test him for leukemia and FIV as he wanted to rule it out even though Oliver has always been an indoor cat (he used a ELISA snap test...as far as we know he has never been tested for feLV or FIV). The bad news came later when he called to say he was positive for both. He said the FIV could be false if Oliver was every given an FIV vaccination (he has), but the other was likely true (and also explained the low white count and the fever, and now in retrospect some of the other issues). The vet thinks he may have had this all his life and is just now experiencing the symptoms. So now he is home and although I have read up some and don't see much hope, I wondered if anyone can offer any advice. We have sent the blood off to get the more sophisticated test but won't hear back until next week. Our vet, who is the best I have had, suggested perhaps he will last a few weeks or months, given that he is showing signs that his body might be losing the battle (low white cells, anemia). I'm trying to be optimistic, but with no treatments I know this is probably a battle we cannot win. Here are my questions: 1. We have 2 other cats who we think have had the feLV booster recently (they are 14 and 16 years old and got the immunization as kittens). Are they in danger? If they got shots as kittens would they be still safe? We have Oliver with his own litter box and am making sure they use separate water and food bowls. There is not grooming among them. 2. Is there anyway to know if Oliver can still fight off the virus and become free of it? If he did have it for 14-15 years, then why does he have symptoms now? If it was a recent exposure (we cannot think of any way he would have gotten it) then could he still be fine? 3. He seems fine now (no fever, eating, drinking, using the litter box, etc.) so is this a good sign that perhaps he is able to fight it off or is this just a false hope. 4. If the other test is positive, would anyone suggest using the LTCI treatment? I have not found good scientific info on it's effectiveness although there appear to be no major side effects. Thanks. Don and Oliver ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver
I agree, he has had a long and happy life with you. God has blessed you and Oliver. My Shadow passed at 18 with tumors on his spine, but he had lived a long life and enjoyed basking in the sun on the deck. Keep him comfortable . Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: Don, It is amazing that Oliver has lived to be 15 with a FelV+ status. Most of my FelV+ cats either die of anemia or they lose the use of their back legs due to tumors on the spine. If Oliver has made it this long I'd just keep him happy and and give him plenty of TLC. 15 is about the end of life for most cats anyway, and the fact that he lived this long is proof you are taking excellent care of him. As for your other two cats. At 14 and 16, they are also reaching the end of their lives, and I think they will be fine if they haven't gotten the virus so far. Just keep all three of them happy and stress free. This really helps, and I have found heroic measures don't help, they only prolong the inevitable. pain and stress for the time the cat has left as well as well as emotional and financial hell for youself. Lorrie On 09-08, Don wrote: Hello. Our boy Oliver, has been doing well since his brothers passing due to CRF last Feb but in the past year or so we have seen some signs that we had been reading as old age (less grooming, weight loss...he just turned 15 this August). Thursday night he was acting lethargic and seemed to be warm to the touch. I dropped him off at our vet who suggest it might just be a virus (most of this blood panel was good, except a low white blood cell count, now 2% below normal HCT values since July, and a 105 F temperature). He suggested we might test him for leukemia and FIV as he wanted to rule it out even though Oliver has always been an indoor cat (he used a ELISA snap test...as far as we know he has never been tested for feLV or FIV). The bad news came later when he called to say he was positive for both. He said the FIV could be false if Oliver was every given an FIV vaccination (he has), but the other was likely true (and also explained the low white count and the fever, and now in retrospect some of the other issues). The vet thinks he may have had this all his life and is just now experiencing the symptoms. So now he is home and although I have read up some and don't see much hope, I wondered if anyone can offer any advice. We have sent the blood off to get the more sophisticated test but won't hear back until next week. Our vet, who is the best I have had, suggested perhaps he will last a few weeks or months, given that he is showing signs that his body might be losing the battle (low white cells, anemia). I'm trying to be optimistic, but with no treatments I know this is probably a battle we cannot win. Here are my questions: 1. We have 2 other cats who we think have had the feLV booster recently (they are 14 and 16 years old and got the immunization as kittens). Are they in danger? If they got shots as kittens would they be still safe? We have Oliver with his own litter box and am making sure they use separate water and food bowls. There is not grooming among them. 2. Is there anyway to know if Oliver can still fight off the virus and become free of it? If he did have it for 14-15 years, then why does he have symptoms now? If it was a recent exposure (we cannot think of any way he would have gotten it) then could he still be fine? 3. He seems fine now (no fever, eating, drinking, using the litter box, etc.) so is this a good sign that perhaps he is able to fight it off or is this just a false hope. 4. If the other test is positive, would anyone suggest using the LTCI treatment? I have not found good scientific info on it's effectiveness although there appear to be no major side effects. Thanks. Don and Oliver ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver
His BUN and Crea are normal. His HCT has dropped from about 30% to 28% since July. Otherwise everything else is normal. On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 1:29 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: How are Oliver's kidney values? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 9:58 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver Don, It is amazing that Oliver has lived to be 15 with a FelV+ status. Most of my FelV+ cats either die of anemia or they lose the use of their back legs due to tumors on the spine. If Oliver has made it this long I'd just keep him happy and and give him plenty of TLC. 15 is about the end of life for most cats anyway, and the fact that he lived this long is proof you are taking excellent care of him. As for your other two cats. At 14 and 16, they are also reaching the end of their lives, and I think they will be fine if they haven't gotten the virus so far. Just keep all three of them happy and stress free. This really helps, and I have found heroic measures don't help, they only prolong the inevitable. pain and stress for the time the cat has left as well as well as emotional and financial hell for youself. Lorrie On 09-08, Don wrote: Hello. Our boy Oliver, has been doing well since his brothers passing due to CRF last Feb but in the past year or so we have seen some signs that we had been reading as old age (less grooming, weight loss...he just turned 15 this August). Thursday night he was acting lethargic and seemed to be warm to the touch. I dropped him off at our vet who suggest it might just be a virus (most of this blood panel was good, except a low white blood cell count, now 2% below normal HCT values since July, and a 105 F temperature). He suggested we might test him for leukemia and FIV as he wanted to rule it out even though Oliver has always been an indoor cat (he used a ELISA snap test...as far as we know he has never been tested for feLV or FIV). The bad news came later when he called to say he was positive for both. He said the FIV could be false if Oliver was every given an FIV vaccination (he has), but the other was likely true (and also explained the low white count and the fever, and now in retrospect some of the other issues). The vet thinks he may have had this all his life and is just now experiencing the symptoms. So now he is home and although I have read up some and don't see much hope, I wondered if anyone can offer any advice. We have sent the blood off to get the more sophisticated test but won't hear back until next week. Our vet, who is the best I have had, suggested perhaps he will last a few weeks or months, given that he is showing signs that his body might be losing the battle (low white cells, anemia). I'm trying to be optimistic, but with no treatments I know this is probably a battle we cannot win. Here are my questions: 1. We have 2 other cats who we think have had the feLV booster recently (they are 14 and 16 years old and got the immunization as kittens). Are they in danger? If they got shots as kittens would they be still safe? We have Oliver with his own litter box and am making sure they use separate water and food bowls. There is not grooming among them. 2. Is there anyway to know if Oliver can still fight off the virus and become free of it? If he did have it for 14-15 years, then why does he have symptoms now? If it was a recent exposure (we cannot think of any way he would have gotten it) then could he still be fine? 3. He seems fine now (no fever, eating, drinking, using the litter box, etc.) so is this a good sign that perhaps he is able to fight it off or is this just a false hope. 4. If the other test is positive, would anyone suggest using the LTCI treatment? I have not found good scientific info on it's effectiveness although there appear to be no major side effects. Thanks. Don and Oliver ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver
What about thyroid? Why the Tapazole? My new email address is:atia@gmail.com From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Don Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 4:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver His BUN and Crea are normal. His HCT has dropped from about 30% to 28% since July. Otherwise everything else is normal. On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 1:29 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: How are Oliver's kidney values? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 9:58 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver Don, It is amazing that Oliver has lived to be 15 with a FelV+ status. Most of my FelV+ cats either die of anemia or they lose the use of their back legs due to tumors on the spine. If Oliver has made it this long I'd just keep him happy and and give him plenty of TLC. 15 is about the end of life for most cats anyway, and the fact that he lived this long is proof you are taking excellent care of him. As for your other two cats. At 14 and 16, they are also reaching the end of their lives, and I think they will be fine if they haven't gotten the virus so far. Just keep all three of them happy and stress free. This really helps, and I have found heroic measures don't help, they only prolong the inevitable. pain and stress for the time the cat has left as well as well as emotional and financial hell for youself. Lorrie On 09-08, Don wrote: Hello. Our boy Oliver, has been doing well since his brothers passing due to CRF last Feb but in the past year or so we have seen some signs that we had been reading as old age (less grooming, weight loss...he just turned 15 this August). Thursday night he was acting lethargic and seemed to be warm to the touch. I dropped him off at our vet who suggest it might just be a virus (most of this blood panel was good, except a low white blood cell count, now 2% below normal HCT values since July, and a 105 F temperature). He suggested we might test him for leukemia and FIV as he wanted to rule it out even though Oliver has always been an indoor cat (he used a ELISA snap test...as far as we know he has never been tested for feLV or FIV). The bad news came later when he called to say he was positive for both. He said the FIV could be false if Oliver was every given an FIV vaccination (he has), but the other was likely true (and also explained the low white count and the fever, and now in retrospect some of the other issues). The vet thinks he may have had this all his life and is just now experiencing the symptoms. So now he is home and although I have read up some and don't see much hope, I wondered if anyone can offer any advice. We have sent the blood off to get the more sophisticated test but won't hear back until next week. Our vet, who is the best I have had, suggested perhaps he will last a few weeks or months, given that he is showing signs that his body might be losing the battle (low white cells, anemia). I'm trying to be optimistic, but with no treatments I know this is probably a battle we cannot win. Here are my questions: 1. We have 2 other cats who we think have had the feLV booster recently (they are 14 and 16 years old and got the immunization as kittens). Are they in danger? If they got shots as kittens would they be still safe? We have Oliver with his own litter box and am making sure they use separate water and food bowls. There is not grooming among them. 2. Is there anyway to know if Oliver can still fight off the virus and become free of it? If he did have it for 14-15 years, then why does he have symptoms now? If it was a recent exposure (we cannot think of any way he would have gotten it) then could he still be fine? 3. He seems fine now (no fever, eating, drinking, using the litter box, etc.) so is this a good sign that perhaps he is able to fight it off or is this just a false hope. 4. If the other test is positive, would anyone suggest using the LTCI treatment? I have not found good scientific info on it's effectiveness although there appear to be no major side effects. Thanks. Don and Oliver ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http
Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver
His thyroid is normal as well (the vet did check it in July as he noted an slightly enlarged thyroid). I don't recall mentioning tapazole. He got a shot of Covina and a steroid at the vet but that is all he is on. Thanks. On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: What about thyroid? Why the Tapazole? ** ** My new email address is:*atia@gmail.com* ** ** *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Don *Sent:* Sunday, September 09, 2012 4:44 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver ** ** His BUN and Crea are normal. His HCT has dropped from about 30% to 28% since July. Otherwise everything else is normal. On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 1:29 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: How are Oliver's kidney values? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 9:58 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver Don, It is amazing that Oliver has lived to be 15 with a FelV+ status. Most of my FelV+ cats either die of anemia or they lose the use of their back legs due to tumors on the spine. If Oliver has made it this long I'd just keep him happy and and give him plenty of TLC. 15 is about the end of life for most cats anyway, and the fact that he lived this long is proof you are taking excellent care of him. As for your other two cats. At 14 and 16, they are also reaching the end of their lives, and I think they will be fine if they haven't gotten the virus so far. Just keep all three of them happy and stress free. This really helps, and I have found heroic measures don't help, they only prolong the inevitable. pain and stress for the time the cat has left as well as well as emotional and financial hell for youself. Lorrie On 09-08, Don wrote: Hello. Our boy Oliver, has been doing well since his brothers passing due to CRF last Feb but in the past year or so we have seen some signs that we had been reading as old age (less grooming, weight loss...he just turned 15 this August). Thursday night he was acting lethargic and seemed to be warm to the touch. I dropped him off at our vet who suggest it might just be a virus (most of this blood panel was good, except a low white blood cell count, now 2% below normal HCT values since July, and a 105 F temperature). He suggested we might test him for leukemia and FIV as he wanted to rule it out even though Oliver has always been an indoor cat (he used a ELISA snap test...as far as we know he has never been tested for feLV or FIV). The bad news came later when he called to say he was positive for both. He said the FIV could be false if Oliver was every given an FIV vaccination (he has), but the other was likely true (and also explained the low white count and the fever, and now in retrospect some of the other issues). The vet thinks he may have had this all his life and is just now experiencing the symptoms. So now he is home and although I have read up some and don't see much hope, I wondered if anyone can offer any advice. We have sent the blood off to get the more sophisticated test but won't hear back until next week. Our vet, who is the best I have had, suggested perhaps he will last a few weeks or months, given that he is showing signs that his body might be losing the battle (low white cells, anemia). I'm trying to be optimistic, but with no treatments I know this is probably a battle we cannot win. Here are my questions: 1. We have 2 other cats who we think have had the feLV booster recently (they are 14 and 16 years old and got the immunization as kittens). Are they in danger? If they got shots as kittens would they be still safe? We have Oliver with his own litter box and am making sure they use separate water and food bowls. There is not grooming among them. 2. Is there anyway to know if Oliver can still fight off the virus and become free of it? If he did have it for 14-15 years, then why does he have symptoms now? If it was a recent exposure (we cannot think of any way he would have gotten it) then could he still be fine? 3. He seems fine now (no fever, eating, drinking, using the litter box, etc.) so is this a good sign that perhaps he is able to fight it off or is this just a false hope. 4. If the other test is positive, would anyone suggest using the LTCI treatment? I have not found good scientific info on it's effectiveness although there appear to be no major side effects. Thanks. Don and Oliver
Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver
Sorry, I could have sworn that you did..don't have time to go back to see all the mail! Kitties awaiting me to medicate them. natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Don Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 6:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver His thyroid is normal as well (the vet did check it in July as he noted an slightly enlarged thyroid). I don't recall mentioning tapazole. He got a shot of Covina and a steroid at the vet but that is all he is on. Thanks. On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: What about thyroid? Why the Tapazole? From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Don Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 4:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver His BUN and Crea are normal. His HCT has dropped from about 30% to 28% since July. Otherwise everything else is normal. On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 1:29 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: How are Oliver's kidney values? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 9:58 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver Don, It is amazing that Oliver has lived to be 15 with a FelV+ status. Most of my FelV+ cats either die of anemia or they lose the use of their back legs due to tumors on the spine. If Oliver has made it this long I'd just keep him happy and and give him plenty of TLC. 15 is about the end of life for most cats anyway, and the fact that he lived this long is proof you are taking excellent care of him. As for your other two cats. At 14 and 16, they are also reaching the end of their lives, and I think they will be fine if they haven't gotten the virus so far. Just keep all three of them happy and stress free. This really helps, and I have found heroic measures don't help, they only prolong the inevitable. pain and stress for the time the cat has left as well as well as emotional and financial hell for youself. Lorrie On 09-08, Don wrote: Hello. Our boy Oliver, has been doing well since his brothers passing due to CRF last Feb but in the past year or so we have seen some signs that we had been reading as old age (less grooming, weight loss...he just turned 15 this August). Thursday night he was acting lethargic and seemed to be warm to the touch. I dropped him off at our vet who suggest it might just be a virus (most of this blood panel was good, except a low white blood cell count, now 2% below normal HCT values since July, and a 105 F temperature). He suggested we might test him for leukemia and FIV as he wanted to rule it out even though Oliver has always been an indoor cat (he used a ELISA snap test...as far as we know he has never been tested for feLV or FIV). The bad news came later when he called to say he was positive for both. He said the FIV could be false if Oliver was every given an FIV vaccination (he has), but the other was likely true (and also explained the low white count and the fever, and now in retrospect some of the other issues). The vet thinks he may have had this all his life and is just now experiencing the symptoms. So now he is home and although I have read up some and don't see much hope, I wondered if anyone can offer any advice. We have sent the blood off to get the more sophisticated test but won't hear back until next week. Our vet, who is the best I have had, suggested perhaps he will last a few weeks or months, given that he is showing signs that his body might be losing the battle (low white cells, anemia). I'm trying to be optimistic, but with no treatments I know this is probably a battle we cannot win. Here are my questions: 1. We have 2 other cats who we think have had the feLV booster recently (they are 14 and 16 years old and got the immunization as kittens). Are they in danger? If they got shots as kittens would they be still safe? We have Oliver with his own litter box and am making sure they use separate water and food bowls. There is not grooming among them. 2. Is there anyway to know if Oliver can still fight off the virus and become free of it? If he did have it for 14-15 years, then why does he have symptoms now? If it was a recent exposure (we cannot think of any way he would have gotten it) then could he still be fine? 3. He seems fine now (no fever, eating, drinking, using the litter box, etc.) so is this a good sign that perhaps he is able to fight it off or is this just a false hope. 4. If the other test is positive, would anyone suggest using the LTCI treatment? I
[Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver
Hello. Our boy Oliver, has been doing well since his brothers passing due to CRF last Feb but in the past year or so we have seen some signs that we had been reading as old age (less grooming, weight loss...he just turned 15 this August). Thursday night he was acting lethargic and seemed to be warm to the touch. I dropped him off at our vet who suggest it might just be a virus (most of this blood panel was good, except a low white blood cell count, now 2% below normal HCT values since July, and a 105 F temperature). He suggested we might test him for leukemia and FIV as he wanted to rule it out even though Oliver has always been an indoor cat (he used a ELISA snap test...as far as we know he has never been tested for feLV or FIV). The bad news came later when he called to say he was positive for both. He said the FIV could be false if Oliver was every given an FIV vaccination (he has), but the other was likely true (and also explained the low white count and the fever, and now in retrospect some of the other issues). The vet thinks he may have had this all his life and is just now experiencing the symptoms. So now he is home and although I have read up some and don't see much hope, I wondered if anyone can offer any advice. We have sent the blood off to get the more sophisticated test but won't hear back until next week. Our vet, who is the best I have had, suggested perhaps he will last a few weeks or months, given that he is showing signs that his body might be losing the battle (low white cells, anemia). I'm trying to be optimistic, but with no treatments I know this is probably a battle we cannot win. Here are my questions: 1. We have 2 other cats who we think have had the feLV booster recently (they are 14 and 16 years old and got the immunization as kittens). Are they in danger? If they got shots as kittens would they be still safe? We have Oliver with his own litter box and am making sure they use separate water and food bowls. There is not grooming among them. 2. Is there anyway to know if Oliver can still fight off the virus and become free of it? If he did have it for 14-15 years, then why does he have symptoms now? If it was a recent exposure (we cannot think of any way he would have gotten it) then could he still be fine? 3. He seems fine now (no fever, eating, drinking, using the litter box, etc.) so is this a good sign that perhaps he is able to fight it off or is this just a false hope. 4. If the other test is positive, would anyone suggest using the LTCI treatment? I have not found good scientific info on it's effectiveness although there appear to be no major side effects. Thanks. Don and Oliver ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver
I'm sorry you're going through this unhappy experience with Oliver. First of all, I would just like to mention that the FIV vaccine is always a bad idea. It turns the cat positive on testing. If the cat gets lost, picked up by someone who tests him and is not aware that FIV is NOT contagious by any way but deep biting, usually in a fight for mating superiority, then the cat would be killed by a vet or by Animal Control. So please don't use this vaccine. It does nothing to protect your cat because neutering is what protects most cats from FIV, no mating, no fighting, no biting into blood vessels. OK. Back to Oliver. Since you didn't have him tested when you originally offered him your home, he may have been a carrier of FeLv all these years and your other cats, who have been living with him are still healthy so don't worry yourself too much. One of my cats, Tiger, lived to be 14. He had been tested twice for FeLv but tested negative. The disease sometimes hides in the bone marrow and does not show up on the test. He did become very ill towards the end, but it was renal failure that caused his death. Because he was showing symptoms of anorexia and anemia, the vet tested him and he was FeLv+. However, my vet said that if he hadn't had renal failure, he may have survived another year with good nutrition and antibiotics. Tiger lived with 12 other cats. They ate, drank together and used each others litter boxes. They groomed each other and slept together. They were like one big family. None of the other cats ever tested positive for anything even several years after Tiger passed. The very best that you can do now for Oliver is allow him to live whatever the rest of his life is as he has lived the past 15 years, happily and peacefully with not a whole lot of vet visits or stress. Whatever medication you want to try, is OK as long as you research it. This is only my own opinion. You have to take into account what your vet tells you also. It may or may not be FeLv that has become active. It could be an ordinary virus or bacterial infection. Vets tend to jump on the first thing that they are taught might be fatal. I have quite a few FIV+ cats. Every time they get an upper resp. infection, the vet tells me that of course, they are more prone to get infections than ordinary cats. Which isn't true because my regular cats get the sneezes and runny noses more often than the FIV+ cats. I have learned not to do battle with old fashioned thinking in veterinarians. But I do gently remind them that I have had a lot of cats in for URI who were not positive for anything but URI. I will keep Oliver and you in my thoughts. Just keep on loving him and try to lower your own stress level so he won't feel something is wrong. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Don mosquito.d...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, September 8, 2012 8:51 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver Hello. Our boy Oliver, has been doing well since his brothers passing due to CRF last Feb but in the past year or so we have seen some signs that we had been reading as old age (less grooming, weight loss...he just turned 15 this August). Thursday night he was acting lethargic and seemed to be warm to the touch. I dropped him off at our vet who suggest it might just be a virus (most of this blood panel was good, except a low white blood cell count, now 2% below normal HCT values since July, and a 105 F temperature). He suggested we might test him for leukemia and FIV as he wanted to rule it out even though Oliver has always been an indoor cat (he used a ELISA snap test...as far as we know he has never been tested for feLV or FIV). The bad news came later when he called to say he was positive for both. He said the FIV could be false if Oliver was every given an FIV vaccination (he has), but the other was likely true (and also explained the low white count and the fever, and now in retrospect some of the other issues). The vet thinks he may have had this all his life and is just now experiencing the symptoms. So now he is home and although I have read up some and don't see much hope, I wondered if anyone can offer any advice. We have sent the blood off to get the more sophisticated test but won't hear back until next week. Our vet, who is the best I have had, suggested perhaps he will last a few weeks or months, given that he is showing signs that his body might be losing the battle (low white cells, anemia). I'm trying to be optimistic, but with no treatments I know this is probably a battle we cannot win. Here are my questions: 1. We have 2 other cats who we think have had the feLV booster recently (they are 14 and 16 years old and got the immunization as kittens). Are they in danger? If they got shots as kittens would
Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver
Thanks for your note Lee. I am an old hand when it comes to long term care for a sick cat. We nursed Oliver's brother, Milo, for 3 years with CRF and a heart condition. I cannot count the number of subQ sessions, pills, and assisted feedings I did. Through all of it I educated myself on every aspect of the disease and treatments. Our first vet told us we have 3-6 months, and we had that and a lot more. I also went through several vets until I found one who seemed not only to understand but to try. All of what you said makes sense, but I also wonder about his fever. On Thursday it was 105 but tonight it is normal. What could be made from this? He did get a antibiotic shot. I assumed that the fever was being caused by the virus, but I guess it could have been due to something else. Thanks again. Don and Oliver On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm sorry you're going through this unhappy experience with Oliver. First of all, I would just like to mention that the FIV vaccine is always a bad idea. It turns the cat positive on testing. If the cat gets lost, picked up by someone who tests him and is not aware that FIV is NOT contagious by any way but deep biting, usually in a fight for mating superiority, then the cat would be killed by a vet or by Animal Control. So please don't use this vaccine. It does nothing to protect your cat because neutering is what protects most cats from FIV, no mating, no fighting, no biting into blood vessels. OK. Back to Oliver. Since you didn't have him tested when you originally offered him your home, he may have been a carrier of FeLv all these years and your other cats, who have been living with him are still healthy so don't worry yourself too much. One of my cats, Tiger, lived to be 14. He had been tested twice for FeLv but tested negative. The disease sometimes hides in the bone marrow and does not show up on the test. He did become very ill towards the end, but it was renal failure that caused his death. Because he was showing symptoms of anorexia and anemia, the vet tested him and he was FeLv+. However, my vet said that if he hadn't had renal failure, he may have survived another year with good nutrition and antibiotics. Tiger lived with 12 other cats. They ate, drank together and used each others litter boxes. They groomed each other and slept together. They were like one big family. None of the other cats ever tested positive for anything even several years after Tiger passed. The very best that you can do now for Oliver is allow him to live whatever the rest of his life is as he has lived the past 15 years, happily and peacefully with not a whole lot of vet visits or stress. Whatever medication you want to try, is OK as long as you research it. This is only my own opinion. You have to take into account what your vet tells you also. It may or may not be FeLv that has become active. It could be an ordinary virus or bacterial infection. Vets tend to jump on the first thing that they are taught might be fatal. I have quite a few FIV+ cats. Every time they get an upper resp. infection, the vet tells me that of course, they are more prone to get infections than ordinary cats. Which isn't true because my regular cats get the sneezes and runny noses more often than the FIV+ cats. I have learned not to do battle with old fashioned thinking in veterinarians. But I do gently remind them that I have had a lot of cats in for URI who were not positive for anything but URI. I will keep Oliver and you in my thoughts. Just keep on loving him and try to lower your own stress level so he won't feel something is wrong. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! -- *From:* Don mosquito.d...@gmail.com *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Saturday, September 8, 2012 8:51 PM *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver Hello. Our boy Oliver, has been doing well since his brothers passing due to CRF last Feb but in the past year or so we have seen some signs that we had been reading as old age (less grooming, weight loss...he just turned 15 this August). Thursday night he was acting lethargic and seemed to be warm to the touch. I dropped him off at our vet who suggest it might just be a virus (most of this blood panel was good, except a low white blood cell count, now 2% below normal HCT values since July, and a 105 F temperature). He suggested we might test him for leukemia and FIV as he wanted to rule it out even though Oliver has always been an indoor cat (he used a ELISA snap test...as far as we know he has never been tested for feLV or FIV). The bad news came later when he called to say he was positive for both. He said the FIV could be false if Oliver was every given an FIV vaccination (he has), but the other was likely true (and also explained the low white
