Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?

[catatonya]

If Ash is healthy I would have her vaccinated. I think it's good to get the 
first set of vaccinations in.  Also, I don't know if Ash tested positive twice 
at at least 3 months apart?   If not, you may not be dealing with a positive 
cat to begin with.  Both of my positives received their first leukemia shots 
and boosters.  One I knew was positive, one I didn't.  I don't think it makes a 
difference.  I would not vaccinate an obviously sick cat.  Years ago, vets did 
say to vaccinate positives anyway.  Now they say not to.  But unless you're 
totally sure your cat is positive I would vaccinate.
  tonya

Jennifer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Really?  I had no idea vets didn't need to vaccinate in order to neuter/spay. 
 I guess it's their way of getting more money.  I will run that by my vet and 
tell him I don't want Ash to get any shots because of his FeLV+ status, and see 
what he says.  See, that's the thing that bugs me.  Vets are supposed to be 
animal advocates and do what's right by them, and surely they know that giving 
FeLV+ cats vaccines isn't the best thing to do for their immune system...yet 
they do it anyway!  It all comes down to the mighty dollar.  Ugh!

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~ loving mama to ~
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--- On Thu, 8/7/08, Marylyn wrote:
From: Marylyn 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 12:30 AM

He most assuredly can be. I have had non-FeLV+ spayed (much more 
serious) without their vaccinations. Talk to the vet and if you can't 
do anything find another one. I just took LCK and LGK to the vet to 
be checked out (they came in from the pine thicket--long story). They 
went in at different times. They are young (8 or so weeks) but at the 
age people start getting their shots. I made it very plain that I 
wanted nothing but worming, de-miting/fleaing etc and what they needed 
for their immediate health (one was dehydrated, vomiting etc). I want 
them to be older and better health before their system is assaulted 
with vaccines. The vets agreed to that and (unofficially) supported 
the decision. If he is not boarding the vet has absolutely no reason 
to vaccinate.
On Aug 6, 2008, at 7:12 PM, Jennifer wrote:

> So wait...my Ash is FeLV+ and getting neutered on the 28th, but he's 
> going in for all his shots on the 14th. He needs to be fixed 
> because he's spraying and I can't have that. He can't be
fixed 
> without his vaxes. What should I do?
>
>
> Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN & LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER. Be their voice.
> ~ loving mama to ~
> Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000)
> Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007)
> Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008)
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 8/6/08, Sabrina 
wrote:
> From: Sabrina 

> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need help-seeking forever home for feluk 
> positive cat
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 8:40 PM
>
>>> She will be vaxed, checked out, and spayed before she is rehomed.
> <<
>
> Can you get around vaxing her? If she is FeLV+, she should NOT be
> vaccinated. Only healthy, virus-free animals should be vaccinated. 
> Check
> your vaccine manufacturer's directions. This is what my vaccine 
> (Intervet
> Protex-3) says on the label:
>
> "Only healthy animals should be vaccinated. Animals incubating any
> disease,
> or animals stressed due to shipping, malnutrition or parasitism may 
> not
> achieve or maintain an adequate immune response."
>
> Her immune system is being taxed by the virus, she does not need 
> further
> challenges to her immune system. Contrary to popular belief, 
> vaccines are
> NOT harmless.
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?

[catatonya]

I have always had my positive cats vaccinated when they were spayed or 
neutered.  I then re-vaccinated every 3 (or more) years
  tonya

Jennifer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  So wait...my Ash is FeLV+ and getting neutered on the 28th, but he's going in 
for all his shots on the 14th.  He needs to be fixed because he's spraying and 
I can't have that.  He can't be fixed without his vaxes.  What should I do?


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~ loving mama to ~
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  Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007)
  Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008)



--- On Wed, 8/6/08, Sabrina 
wrote:
From: Sabrina 

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need help-seeking forever home for feluk positive cat
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 8:40 PM

>> She will be vaxed, checked out, and spayed before she is rehomed.
<<

Can you get around vaxing her? If she is FeLV+, she should NOT be
vaccinated. Only healthy, virus-free animals should be vaccinated. Check
your vaccine manufacturer's directions. This is what my vaccine (Intervet
Protex-3) says on the label:

"Only healthy animals should be vaccinated. Animals incubating any
disease,
or animals stressed due to shipping, malnutrition or parasitism may not
achieve or maintain an adequate immune response."

Her immune system is being taxed by the virus, she does not need further
challenges to her immune system. Contrary to popular belief, vaccines are
NOT harmless.

Sabrina
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Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?

[Sabrina]

>> My understanding is that bloodwork is done to determine how much
immunity an animal has. <<

Nothing can determine how much *immunity* an animal has, unfortunately.
Titers only tell you how many disease-fighting antibodies are present in the
blood.

Quote from: http://www.caberfeidh.com/Titers.htm
"A titer test does not and cannot measure immunity, because immunity to
specific viruses is reliant not on antibodies, but on memory cells, which we
have no way to measure." Lots of good info on the above page - check it out!

Titers are certainly better than revaccinating, but don't necessarily tell
you much. "So what does a low or zero titer tell you? Nothing much. A high
titer is strongly correlated with either recent infection or good immunity,
but the opposite isn't true."

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Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?

[Marylyn]

I can't explain all the technical stuff.  Try this website and then  
google it because you have to follow your own heart:  
http://www.horizonvetserv.com/

My understanding is that bloodwork is done to determine how much  
immunity an animal has.  Again, follow your heart with the best  
information you can get.
On Aug 8, 2008, at 11:24 AM, lexingtongrn wrote:

> What is a Rabies Titer?
>
>
> 
> http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/ 
> tsmileys2/04.gif">Paula Howell blockquote>
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>
>
> - Original Message 
> From: Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Friday, August 8, 2008 1:30:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?
>
> Kentucky accepts them.
> On Aug 7, 2008, at 10:31 PM, Sabrina wrote:
>
>>>> Where are you that titers aren't accepted?  Just curious. <<
>>
>> I *believe* that rabies titers are not accepted in lieu of the actual
>> vaccine, as unnecessary as it may be, in any of the 50 states.
>>
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[Jane Lyons]

"A titer is a blood test that measures the amount of disease fighting  
anti-bodies in the blood
at the time the blood is drawn."

Vets who try to protect animals from over vaccination use them in a  
variety of ways.

Google "The Rabies Challenge". There is a trial that is now being  
lead by Jean Dodds DVM
and other vets to prove that one vaccination is sufficient for the  
live time of an animal
and that multiple vaccinations and boosters are often dangerous and  
damaging.

This subject is highly controversial because if it is proven that we  
have been over vaccinating our
pets, the economic impact on the veterinarian community and the  
pharmaceutical industry will
be profound. Yearly checkups for shots and boosters has been the  
foundation of many practices.
Changing the protocol from every year to every three years has met  
enormous resistance. You have to
admire vets who are willing to challenge their profession and major  
drug lobbies, for the well being
of animals.

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[lexingtongrn]

What is a Rabies Titer?

 

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From: Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Friday, August 8, 2008 1:30:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?

Kentucky accepts them.
On Aug 7, 2008, at 10:31 PM, Sabrina wrote:

>>> Where are you that titers aren't accepted?  Just curious. <<
>
> I *believe* that rabies titers are not accepted in lieu of the actual
> vaccine, as unnecessary as it may be, in any of the 50 states.
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?

[Marylyn]

Kentucky accepts them.
On Aug 7, 2008, at 10:31 PM, Sabrina wrote:

>>> Where are you that titers aren't accepted?  Just curious. <<
>
> I *believe* that rabies titers are not accepted in lieu of the actual
> vaccine, as unnecessary as it may be, in any of the 50 states.
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?

[Sabrina]

>> Where are you that titers aren't accepted?  Just curious. <<

I *believe* that rabies titers are not accepted in lieu of the actual
vaccine, as unnecessary as it may be, in any of the 50 states.

Sabrina
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Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?

[Kelley Saveika]

Texas, they are freakish about rabies here.

On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Where are you that titers aren't accepted?  Just curious.
> On Aug 7, 2008, at 2:48 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Jane Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> My homeopathic vet does very few vaccinations. She does rabies titers
> >> whenever possible.
> >>
> >
> > We are not legally allowed to use titers for rabies here.  I wish
> > we  could.
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?

[Marylyn]

Where are you that titers aren't accepted?  Just curious.
On Aug 7, 2008, at 2:48 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Jane Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> wrote:
>
>> My homeopathic vet does very few vaccinations. She does rabies titers
>> whenever possible.
>>
>
> We are not legally allowed to use titers for rabies here.  I wish  
> we  could.
>
> Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.
>
> http://www.rescuties.org
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Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?

[Lee Evans]

Hi Kelley,

I seem to be on every list.  I brought a FeLv+ cat in off the street several 
years ago.  Didn't know he was a positive until he was tested.  So I 
isolated him in a room by himself, plenty of good food, toys, etc. and 
tested after 4 months, 4 different types of tests. He was negative.  His 
immune system had overcome the virus I guess.  I was told that this happens 
often but most people don't have the patience, time or desire to retest so 
they just kill perfectly healthy cats.  Moses (his name) lives with my other 
cats now, all neg for FeLv and no one has tested positive since.

A friend gave the FeLv vacc. to her cat and the cat developed FeLv, bad 
case, etc.  Maybe the cat had been a carrier, harboring the virus in the 
bone marrow.  Anyway, none of my outside cats have ever gotten FeLv from 
anyone because everyone is neutered, spayed and friendly to each other. 
It's not really that contagious although I do isolate when they test 
positive and do adopt to single cat only homes or cat/dog homes.  FIV isn't 
contagious except from deep bites during mating/fighting so ferals, etc. who 
are neutered and stop their mating behavior are pretty safe to be mixed with 
FIV neg. cats. Still, I do isolate tame FIV+ cats in my little FIV+ area 
since many of my cats are going to eventually go up for adoption and I want 
to err on the side of no problems.  But both my experiences with human vaccs 
and with animal vaccs have me more wary of vaccs then of the diseases.

Incidentally, for all of you who are getting cats spayed, take a lesson from 
logic.  If you yourself were going in for surgery, no MD in his right mind 
would also give you a vaccination.  The simple fact is that anesthesia 
compromises the body's defenses for a while so adding a vaccine to stress 
the immune system is a real no-no.  Yes, we have to rabies vaccinate feral 
cats because they are not easily caught twice, once to spay, once to 
vaccinate.  My vet is a pretty good guy.  He won't give the rabies shot to 
any tame cat who is going to be spayed because spaying is major surgery. 
Neutering is different and he will vaccinate right away against rabies for 
the males.  But I have to bring the females back two weeks later for the 
rabies shot.  He learned a lot from my own experiences and my own research. 
He's willing to listen to reason.  He even took down the poster advertising 
the FIV vaccination when I explained to him that no matter how much you tell 
a person that the FIV+ is from the vaccine, most likely the cat will not be 
adoptable and if lost and not microchipped, rescued and taken to a vet, will 
be killed.  A lot of vets aren't this reasonable so you have to be on top of 
things, just as you would be with your human kids.
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Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 2:19 PM
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> Hey Lee!  I didn't know you were on this list too!
>
> I have not had a vet push the FIV vaccine on me, maybe I have been lucky.
>
> We give the FELV, FVRCP, and legally required rabies shot to our adoption
> cats.  The reason we do this is because we aren't sure adopters won't let
> the cats outside, no matter what they say, and I figure that way at least
> they will have some protection.
>
> I also vaccinate my personal indoor-only cats for FELV because you never
> really know what your foster cats are carrying - as we know snap tests are
> not all that reliable.   I do FVRCP once every 3 years.  I'd love to skip
> rabies altogether, but it is against the law, though they have approved 
> the
> 3 year rabies vaccine now, thank goodness.
>
> On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Lee Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Not only do vets vaccinate cats who should not have anything else to 
>> stress
>> their immune system and not only do they insist on vaccinating 
>> indoor-only
>> cats, old cats and even ill cats, but they are now pushing the FIV 
>> vaccine
>> which will turn the cat FIV+ so if he/she gets lost, picked up by animal
>> control or taken to a vet by a rescuer, the cat will test positive for 
>> FIV
>> and most likely be killed.  Vaccines are NOT a miracle prevention.  Many
>> cats get sarcoma at the site of the vaccine.  Other cats actually get the
>> disease they are being vaccinated for from the vaccine.  When I was a 
>> teen,
>> I was vaccinated for Polio and got a mild case of Polio that paralyzed my
>> right arm for almost a year. I still have some neurological problems from
>> that.  None of my personal cats are vaccinated.  My adoption cats are 
>> only
>> vaccinated with the FVRCP vaccine and the legally required rabies shot.
>> Many of us here in rescue are opposed to other va

Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?

[Kelley Saveika]

On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Jane Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> My homeopathic vet does very few vaccinations. She does rabies titers
> whenever possible.
>

We are not legally allowed to use titers for rabies here.  I wish we  could.

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[Jane Lyons]

My homeopathic vet does very few vaccinations. She does rabies titers  
whenever possible.
She would never vaccinate a positive cat. I would be very frightened  
of any vet who would.
Years ago I had a negative cat who became positive after the FeLV  
vaccination.

I would urge everyone to read Catherine Diodoti's books on animal  
vaccines. I used to vaccinate
yearly, until I ran into Dr Richard Pitcairn.

Jane



> Not only do vets vaccinate cats who should not have anything else  
> to stress
> their immune system and not only do they insist on vaccinating  
> indoor-only
> cats, old cats and even ill cats, but they are now pushing the FIV  
> vaccine
> which will turn the cat FIV+ so if he/she gets lost, picked up by  
> animal
> control or taken to a vet by a rescuer, the cat will test positive  
> for FIV
> and most likely be killed.  Vaccines are NOT a miracle prevention.   
> Many
> cats get sarcoma at the site of the vaccine.  Other cats actually  
> get the
> disease they are being vaccinated for from the vaccine.  When I was  
> a teen,
> I was vaccinated for Polio and got a mild case of Polio that  
> paralyzed my
> right arm for almost a year. I still have some neurological  
> problems from
> that.  None of my personal cats are vaccinated.  My adoption cats  
> are only
> vaccinated with the FVRCP vaccine and the legally required rabies  
> shot.
> Many of us here in rescue are opposed to other vaccines.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Marylyn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Marylyn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 8:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?
>
>
>>
>> On Aug 6, 2008, at 8:43 PM, Marylyn wrote:
>>
>>> Some vets  honestly believe vaccinations are in the best interest of
>>> the pet and her guardian.  Dixie received s rabies shot before her
>>> tests came back.  There was no reason to suspect that she was FeLV
>>> +.  She was full grown and appeared very healthy.  That was the last
>>> vaccination she received and that was with the blessing of her vets,
>>> both the regular vets and her holistic vets.  Check out the comments
>>> and links by Dr. Maier at the bottom of the page:
>>>
>>> http://www.kentuckianapets.com/forum/topic/show?id=1246639%3ATopic 
>>> %3A1517
>>>
>>> We over vaccinate pets in our loving desire to protect them.
>>> You are your friend's guardian and advocate.  He cannot stand up for
>>> himself.  He is literally at your mercy.  Do what your heart says is
>>> best with the best information you can get.
>>>
>>> On Aug 6, 2008, at 8:13 PM, Jennifer wrote:
>>>
>>>> Really?  I had no idea vets didn't need to vaccinate in order to
>>>> neuter/spay.  I guess it's their way of getting more money.  I will
>>>> run that by my vet and tell him I don't want Ash to get any shots
>>>> because of his FeLV+ status, and see what he says.  See, that's the
>>>> thing that bugs me.  Vets are supposed to be animal advocates and
>>>> do what's right by them, and surely they know that giving FeLV+
>>>> cats vaccines isn't the best thing to do for their immune
>>>> system...yet they do it anyway!  It all comes down to the mighty
>>>> dollar.  Ugh!
>>>>
>>>> --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>> From: Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?
>>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>>> Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 12:30 AM
>>>>
>>>> He most assuredly can be.  I have had non-FeLV+ spayed (much more
>>>> serious) without their vaccinations.  Talk to the vet and if you
>>>> can't
>>>> do anything find another one.  I just took LCK and LGK to the  
>>>> vet to
>>>> be checked out (they came in from the pine thicket--long story).
>>>> They
>>>> went in at different times.  They are young (8 or so weeks) but at
>>>> the
>>>> age people start getting their shots.  I made it very plain that I
>>>> wanted nothing but worming, de-miting/fleaing etc and what they
>>>> needed
>>>> for their immediate health (one was dehydrated, vomiting etc).  I
>>>> want
>>>> them to be older and better health before their system is assaulted
>>>> with vaccines.  The vets agreed to that and (unofficially)  
>>>> supported
>>>> the decision.  I

Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?

[Kelley Saveika]

Hey Lee!  I didn't know you were on this list too!

I have not had a vet push the FIV vaccine on me, maybe I have been lucky.

We give the FELV, FVRCP, and legally required rabies shot to our adoption
cats.  The reason we do this is because we aren't sure adopters won't let
the cats outside, no matter what they say, and I figure that way at least
they will have some protection.

I also vaccinate my personal indoor-only cats for FELV because you never
really know what your foster cats are carrying - as we know snap tests are
not all that reliable.   I do FVRCP once every 3 years.  I'd love to skip
rabies altogether, but it is against the law, though they have approved the
3 year rabies vaccine now, thank goodness.

On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Lee Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Not only do vets vaccinate cats who should not have anything else to stress
> their immune system and not only do they insist on vaccinating indoor-only
> cats, old cats and even ill cats, but they are now pushing the FIV vaccine
> which will turn the cat FIV+ so if he/she gets lost, picked up by animal
> control or taken to a vet by a rescuer, the cat will test positive for FIV
> and most likely be killed.  Vaccines are NOT a miracle prevention.  Many
> cats get sarcoma at the site of the vaccine.  Other cats actually get the
> disease they are being vaccinated for from the vaccine.  When I was a teen,
> I was vaccinated for Polio and got a mild case of Polio that paralyzed my
> right arm for almost a year. I still have some neurological problems from
> that.  None of my personal cats are vaccinated.  My adoption cats are only
> vaccinated with the FVRCP vaccine and the legally required rabies shot.
> Many of us here in rescue are opposed to other vaccines.
>
>


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Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?

[Lee Evans]

Not only do vets vaccinate cats who should not have anything else to stress 
their immune system and not only do they insist on vaccinating indoor-only 
cats, old cats and even ill cats, but they are now pushing the FIV vaccine 
which will turn the cat FIV+ so if he/she gets lost, picked up by animal 
control or taken to a vet by a rescuer, the cat will test positive for FIV 
and most likely be killed.  Vaccines are NOT a miracle prevention.  Many 
cats get sarcoma at the site of the vaccine.  Other cats actually get the 
disease they are being vaccinated for from the vaccine.  When I was a teen, 
I was vaccinated for Polio and got a mild case of Polio that paralyzed my 
right arm for almost a year. I still have some neurological problems from 
that.  None of my personal cats are vaccinated.  My adoption cats are only 
vaccinated with the FVRCP vaccine and the legally required rabies shot. 
Many of us here in rescue are opposed to other vaccines.
- Original Message - 
From: "Marylyn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Marylyn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?


>
> On Aug 6, 2008, at 8:43 PM, Marylyn wrote:
>
>> Some vets  honestly believe vaccinations are in the best interest of
>> the pet and her guardian.  Dixie received s rabies shot before her
>> tests came back.  There was no reason to suspect that she was FeLV
>> +.  She was full grown and appeared very healthy.  That was the last
>> vaccination she received and that was with the blessing of her vets,
>> both the regular vets and her holistic vets.  Check out the comments
>> and links by Dr. Maier at the bottom of the page:
>>
>> http://www.kentuckianapets.com/forum/topic/show?id=1246639%3ATopic%3A1517
>>
>> We over vaccinate pets in our loving desire to protect them.
>> You are your friend's guardian and advocate.  He cannot stand up for
>> himself.  He is literally at your mercy.  Do what your heart says is
>> best with the best information you can get.
>>
>> On Aug 6, 2008, at 8:13 PM, Jennifer wrote:
>>
>>> Really?  I had no idea vets didn't need to vaccinate in order to
>>> neuter/spay.  I guess it's their way of getting more money.  I will
>>> run that by my vet and tell him I don't want Ash to get any shots
>>> because of his FeLV+ status, and see what he says.  See, that's the
>>> thing that bugs me.  Vets are supposed to be animal advocates and
>>> do what's right by them, and surely they know that giving FeLV+
>>> cats vaccines isn't the best thing to do for their immune
>>> system...yet they do it anyway!  It all comes down to the mighty
>>> dollar.  Ugh!
>>>
>>> --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> From: Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?
>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 12:30 AM
>>>
>>> He most assuredly can be.  I have had non-FeLV+ spayed (much more
>>> serious) without their vaccinations.  Talk to the vet and if you
>>> can't
>>> do anything find another one.  I just took LCK and LGK to the vet to
>>> be checked out (they came in from the pine thicket--long story).
>>> They
>>> went in at different times.  They are young (8 or so weeks) but at
>>> the
>>> age people start getting their shots.  I made it very plain that I
>>> wanted nothing but worming, de-miting/fleaing etc and what they
>>> needed
>>> for their immediate health (one was dehydrated, vomiting etc).  I
>>> want
>>> them to be older and better health before their system is assaulted
>>> with vaccines.  The vets agreed to that and (unofficially) supported
>>> the decision.  If he is not boarding the vet has absolutely no reason
>>> to vaccinate.
>>> On Aug 6, 2008, at 7:12 PM, Jennifer wrote:
>>>
>>>> So wait...my Ash is FeLV+ and getting neutered on the 28th, but he's
>>>> going in for all his shots on the 14th.  He needs to be fixed
>>>> because he's spraying and I can't have that.  He can't be
>>> fixed
>>>> without his vaxes.  What should I do?
>>>>
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Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?

[Gloria Lane]

Agreed here - they're completely separate  -kitty doesn't need  
vaccinations prior to spay/neuter.

Gloria



On Aug 6, 2008, at 7:30 PM, Marylyn wrote:

> He most assuredly can be.  I have had non-FeLV+ spayed (much more
> serious) without their vaccinations.  Talk to the vet and if you can't
> do anything find another one.  I just took LCK and LGK to the vet to
> be checked out (they came in from the pine thicket--long story).  They
> went in at different times.  They are young (8 or so weeks) but at the
> age people start getting their shots.  I made it very plain that I
> wanted nothing but worming, de-miting/fleaing etc and what they needed
> for their immediate health (one was dehydrated, vomiting etc).  I want
> them to be older and better health before their system is assaulted
> with vaccines.  The vets agreed to that and (unofficially) supported
> the decision.  If he is not boarding the vet has absolutely no reason
> to vaccinate.
> On Aug 6, 2008, at 7:12 PM, Jennifer wrote:
>
>> So wait...my Ash is FeLV+ and getting neutered on the 28th, but he's
>> going in for all his shots on the 14th.  He needs to be fixed
>> because he's spraying and I can't have that.  He can't be fixed
>> without his vaxes.  What should I do?
>>
>>
>> Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN & LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER.  Be their voice.
>>~ loving mama to ~
>>Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000)
>>Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007)
>>Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008)
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On Wed, 8/6/08, Sabrina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> From: Sabrina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need help-seeking forever home for feluk
>> positive cat
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 8:40 PM
>>
 She will be vaxed, checked out, and spayed before she is rehomed.
>> <<
>>
>> Can you get around vaxing her? If she is FeLV+, she should NOT be
>> vaccinated. Only healthy, virus-free animals should be vaccinated.
>> Check
>> your vaccine manufacturer's directions. This is what my vaccine
>> (Intervet
>> Protex-3) says on the label:
>>
>> "Only healthy animals should be vaccinated. Animals incubating any
>> disease,
>> or animals stressed due to shipping, malnutrition or parasitism may
>> not
>> achieve or maintain an adequate immune response."
>>
>> Her immune system is being taxed by the virus, she does not need
>> further
>> challenges to her immune system. Contrary to popular belief,
>> vaccines are
>> NOT harmless.
>>
>> Sabrina
>> www.Pet-Sitter-Pro.com
>> www.LovingGraceRescue.org
>> Orange County, CA
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Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?

[Sabrina]

>> I had no idea vets didn't need to vaccinate in order to neuter/spay.  I
guess it's their way of getting more money.  I will run that by my vet and
tell him I don't want Ash to get any shots because of his FeLV+ status, and
see what he says.  <<

Be prepared for him to say that vaccinating is harmless. Let me find a
couple of quick references for you to print out and show your vet in just
such an occasion.

[ Searching, Searching ]

Flyer #1 -
Simple, straightforward, and with references

Flyer #2 -
Similar to #1, but with some different references.

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Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?

[Sabrina]

>> my Ash is FeLV+ and getting neutered on the 28th, but he's going in for
all his shots on the 14th.  He needs to be fixed because he's spraying and I
can't have that.  He can't be fixed without his vaxes. <<

Find a vet who will do the neuter without vaccinating first. It can be
tough, but there are more and more vets who are becoming "enlightened" to
the fact that vaccines are serious medicine. I worked briefly in a vet's
office a few years ago, and I clearly remember a client coming in to say
that she found a dog and she asked if it would hurt him if he had already
been vaccinated, to vaccinate him now. The vet, unequivocally, said there
were NO side effects, NO harm in vaccinating, 2, 3, 4, 100 times in a row.
At the time, I had no reason to believe otherwise, but now, I will NEVER
vaccinate my current animals again, and future animals will be vaccinated
minimally, if at all as well.

Sabrina
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www.LovingGraceRescue.org
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Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?

[Laurieskatz]

Our vet alters without vaccinating FeLV+ cats.
We never vaccinate FeLV+ cats.
We always alter them.
L
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 8:50 PM
To: Marylyn
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?


On Aug 6, 2008, at 8:43 PM, Marylyn wrote:

> Some vets  honestly believe vaccinations are in the best interest of  
> the pet and her guardian.  Dixie received s rabies shot before her  
> tests came back.  There was no reason to suspect that she was FeLV 
> +.  She was full grown and appeared very healthy.  That was the last  
> vaccination she received and that was with the blessing of her vets,  
> both the regular vets and her holistic vets.  Check out the comments  
> and links by Dr. Maier at the bottom of the page:
>
> http://www.kentuckianapets.com/forum/topic/show?id=1246639%3ATopic%3A1517
>
> We over vaccinate pets in our loving desire to protect them.
> You are your friend's guardian and advocate.  He cannot stand up for  
> himself.  He is literally at your mercy.  Do what your heart says is  
> best with the best information you can get.
>
> On Aug 6, 2008, at 8:13 PM, Jennifer wrote:
>
>> Really?  I had no idea vets didn't need to vaccinate in order to  
>> neuter/spay.  I guess it's their way of getting more money.  I will  
>> run that by my vet and tell him I don't want Ash to get any shots  
>> because of his FeLV+ status, and see what he says.  See, that's the  
>> thing that bugs me.  Vets are supposed to be animal advocates and  
>> do what's right by them, and surely they know that giving FeLV+  
>> cats vaccines isn't the best thing to do for their immune  
>> system...yet they do it anyway!  It all comes down to the mighty  
>> dollar.  Ugh!
>>
>> --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> From: Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 12:30 AM
>>
>> He most assuredly can be.  I have had non-FeLV+ spayed (much more
>> serious) without their vaccinations.  Talk to the vet and if you  
>> can't
>> do anything find another one.  I just took LCK and LGK to the vet to
>> be checked out (they came in from the pine thicket--long story).   
>> They
>> went in at different times.  They are young (8 or so weeks) but at  
>> the
>> age people start getting their shots.  I made it very plain that I
>> wanted nothing but worming, de-miting/fleaing etc and what they  
>> needed
>> for their immediate health (one was dehydrated, vomiting etc).  I  
>> want
>> them to be older and better health before their system is assaulted
>> with vaccines.  The vets agreed to that and (unofficially) supported
>> the decision.  If he is not boarding the vet has absolutely no reason
>> to vaccinate.
>> On Aug 6, 2008, at 7:12 PM, Jennifer wrote:
>>
>>> So wait...my Ash is FeLV+ and getting neutered on the 28th, but he's
>>> going in for all his shots on the 14th.  He needs to be fixed
>>> because he's spraying and I can't have that.  He can't be
>> fixed
>>> without his vaxes.  What should I do?
>>>
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Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?

[Marylyn]

On Aug 6, 2008, at 8:43 PM, Marylyn wrote:

> Some vets  honestly believe vaccinations are in the best interest of  
> the pet and her guardian.  Dixie received s rabies shot before her  
> tests came back.  There was no reason to suspect that she was FeLV 
> +.  She was full grown and appeared very healthy.  That was the last  
> vaccination she received and that was with the blessing of her vets,  
> both the regular vets and her holistic vets.  Check out the comments  
> and links by Dr. Maier at the bottom of the page:
>
> http://www.kentuckianapets.com/forum/topic/show?id=1246639%3ATopic%3A1517
>
> We over vaccinate pets in our loving desire to protect them.
> You are your friend's guardian and advocate.  He cannot stand up for  
> himself.  He is literally at your mercy.  Do what your heart says is  
> best with the best information you can get.
>
> On Aug 6, 2008, at 8:13 PM, Jennifer wrote:
>
>> Really?  I had no idea vets didn't need to vaccinate in order to  
>> neuter/spay.  I guess it's their way of getting more money.  I will  
>> run that by my vet and tell him I don't want Ash to get any shots  
>> because of his FeLV+ status, and see what he says.  See, that's the  
>> thing that bugs me.  Vets are supposed to be animal advocates and  
>> do what's right by them, and surely they know that giving FeLV+  
>> cats vaccines isn't the best thing to do for their immune  
>> system...yet they do it anyway!  It all comes down to the mighty  
>> dollar.  Ugh!
>>
>> --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> From: Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 12:30 AM
>>
>> He most assuredly can be.  I have had non-FeLV+ spayed (much more
>> serious) without their vaccinations.  Talk to the vet and if you  
>> can't
>> do anything find another one.  I just took LCK and LGK to the vet to
>> be checked out (they came in from the pine thicket--long story).   
>> They
>> went in at different times.  They are young (8 or so weeks) but at  
>> the
>> age people start getting their shots.  I made it very plain that I
>> wanted nothing but worming, de-miting/fleaing etc and what they  
>> needed
>> for their immediate health (one was dehydrated, vomiting etc).  I  
>> want
>> them to be older and better health before their system is assaulted
>> with vaccines.  The vets agreed to that and (unofficially) supported
>> the decision.  If he is not boarding the vet has absolutely no reason
>> to vaccinate.
>> On Aug 6, 2008, at 7:12 PM, Jennifer wrote:
>>
>>> So wait...my Ash is FeLV+ and getting neutered on the 28th, but he's
>>> going in for all his shots on the 14th.  He needs to be fixed
>>> because he's spraying and I can't have that.  He can't be
>> fixed
>>> without his vaxes.  What should I do?
>>>
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Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?

[Lynne]

My vet neutered BooBoo and would not vaccinate him.  He said if he had 
survived he may have in the future but even then it would not be the 
standard vaccines but something he would have to order in.

Lynne
- Original Message - 
From: "Jennifer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 8:12 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?


So wait...my Ash is FeLV+ and getting neutered on the 28th, but he's going 
in for all his shots on the 14th. He needs to be fixed because he's spraying 
and I can't have that. He can't be fixed without his vaxes. What should I 
do?


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~ loving mama to ~
Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000)
Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007)
Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008)



--- On Wed, 8/6/08, Sabrina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Sabrina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need help-seeking forever home for feluk positive 
cat
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 8:40 PM

>> She will be vaxed, checked out, and spayed before she is rehomed.
<<

Can you get around vaxing her? If she is FeLV+, she should NOT be
vaccinated. Only healthy, virus-free animals should be vaccinated. Check
your vaccine manufacturer's directions. This is what my vaccine (Intervet
Protex-3) says on the label:

"Only healthy animals should be vaccinated. Animals incubating any
disease,
or animals stressed due to shipping, malnutrition or parasitism may not
achieve or maintain an adequate immune response."

Her immune system is being taxed by the virus, she does not need further
challenges to her immune system. Contrary to popular belief, vaccines are
NOT harmless.

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Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?

[Jennifer]

Really?  I had no idea vets didn't need to vaccinate in order to neuter/spay.  
I guess it's their way of getting more money.  I will run that by my vet and 
tell him I don't want Ash to get any shots because of his FeLV+ status, and see 
what he says.  See, that's the thing that bugs me.  Vets are supposed to be 
animal advocates and do what's right by them, and surely they know that giving 
FeLV+ cats vaccines isn't the best thing to do for their immune system...yet 
they do it anyway!  It all comes down to the mighty dollar.  Ugh!

 Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN & LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER.  Be their voice. 
        ~ loving mama to ~
            Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000)
            Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007)
            Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008)



--- On Thu, 8/7/08, Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 12:30 AM

He most assuredly can be.  I have had non-FeLV+ spayed (much more  
serious) without their vaccinations.  Talk to the vet and if you can't  
do anything find another one.  I just took LCK and LGK to the vet to  
be checked out (they came in from the pine thicket--long story).  They  
went in at different times.  They are young (8 or so weeks) but at the  
age people start getting their shots.  I made it very plain that I  
wanted nothing but worming, de-miting/fleaing etc and what they needed  
for their immediate health (one was dehydrated, vomiting etc).  I want  
them to be older and better health before their system is assaulted  
with vaccines.  The vets agreed to that and (unofficially) supported  
the decision.  If he is not boarding the vet has absolutely no reason  
to vaccinate.
On Aug 6, 2008, at 7:12 PM, Jennifer wrote:

> So wait...my Ash is FeLV+ and getting neutered on the 28th, but he's  
> going in for all his shots on the 14th.  He needs to be fixed  
> because he's spraying and I can't have that.  He can't be
fixed  
> without his vaxes.  What should I do?
>
>
>  Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN & LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER.  Be their voice.
> ~ loving mama to ~
> Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000)
> Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007)
> Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008)
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 8/6/08, Sabrina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: Sabrina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need help-seeking forever home for feluk  
> positive cat
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 8:40 PM
>
>>> She will be vaxed, checked out, and spayed before she is rehomed.
> <<
>
> Can you get around vaxing her? If she is FeLV+, she should NOT be
> vaccinated. Only healthy, virus-free animals should be vaccinated.  
> Check
> your vaccine manufacturer's directions. This is what my vaccine  
> (Intervet
> Protex-3) says on the label:
>
> "Only healthy animals should be vaccinated. Animals incubating any
> disease,
> or animals stressed due to shipping, malnutrition or parasitism may  
> not
> achieve or maintain an adequate immune response."
>
> Her immune system is being taxed by the virus, she does not need  
> further
> challenges to her immune system. Contrary to popular belief,  
> vaccines are
> NOT harmless.
>
> Sabrina
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> www.LovingGraceRescue.org
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Re: [Felvtalk] No vaxes?

[Marylyn]

He most assuredly can be.  I have had non-FeLV+ spayed (much more  
serious) without their vaccinations.  Talk to the vet and if you can't  
do anything find another one.  I just took LCK and LGK to the vet to  
be checked out (they came in from the pine thicket--long story).  They  
went in at different times.  They are young (8 or so weeks) but at the  
age people start getting their shots.  I made it very plain that I  
wanted nothing but worming, de-miting/fleaing etc and what they needed  
for their immediate health (one was dehydrated, vomiting etc).  I want  
them to be older and better health before their system is assaulted  
with vaccines.  The vets agreed to that and (unofficially) supported  
the decision.  If he is not boarding the vet has absolutely no reason  
to vaccinate.
On Aug 6, 2008, at 7:12 PM, Jennifer wrote:

> So wait...my Ash is FeLV+ and getting neutered on the 28th, but he's  
> going in for all his shots on the 14th.  He needs to be fixed  
> because he's spraying and I can't have that.  He can't be fixed  
> without his vaxes.  What should I do?
>
>
>  Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN & LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER.  Be their voice.
> ~ loving mama to ~
> Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000)
> Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007)
> Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008)
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 8/6/08, Sabrina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: Sabrina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need help-seeking forever home for feluk  
> positive cat
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 8:40 PM
>
>>> She will be vaxed, checked out, and spayed before she is rehomed.
> <<
>
> Can you get around vaxing her? If she is FeLV+, she should NOT be
> vaccinated. Only healthy, virus-free animals should be vaccinated.  
> Check
> your vaccine manufacturer's directions. This is what my vaccine  
> (Intervet
> Protex-3) says on the label:
>
> "Only healthy animals should be vaccinated. Animals incubating any
> disease,
> or animals stressed due to shipping, malnutrition or parasitism may  
> not
> achieve or maintain an adequate immune response."
>
> Her immune system is being taxed by the virus, she does not need  
> further
> challenges to her immune system. Contrary to popular belief,  
> vaccines are
> NOT harmless.
>
> Sabrina
> www.Pet-Sitter-Pro.com
> www.LovingGraceRescue.org
> Orange County, CA
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[Felvtalk] No vaxes?

[Jennifer]

So wait...my Ash is FeLV+ and getting neutered on the 28th, but he's going in 
for all his shots on the 14th.  He needs to be fixed because he's spraying and 
I can't have that.  He can't be fixed without his vaxes.  What should I do?


 Jennifer - PROUD VEGETARIAN & LOCAL SPCA VOLUNTEER.  Be their voice. 
        ~ loving mama to ~
            Morrison (born Oct. 10, 2000)
            Isobel aka Fat Girl (born Feb. 7, 2007)
            Ash (born July 11, 2007, diagnosed FeLV+ July 28, 2008)



--- On Wed, 8/6/08, Sabrina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Sabrina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need help-seeking forever home for feluk positive cat
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 8:40 PM

>> She will be vaxed, checked out, and spayed before she is rehomed.
<<

Can you get around vaxing her? If she is FeLV+, she should NOT be
vaccinated. Only healthy, virus-free animals should be vaccinated. Check
your vaccine manufacturer's directions. This is what my vaccine (Intervet
Protex-3) says on the label:

"Only healthy animals should be vaccinated. Animals incubating any
disease,
or animals stressed due to shipping, malnutrition or parasitism may not
achieve or maintain an adequate immune response."

Her immune system is being taxed by the virus, she does not need further
challenges to her immune system. Contrary to popular belief, vaccines are
NOT harmless.

Sabrina
www.Pet-Sitter-Pro.com
www.LovingGraceRescue.org
Orange County, CA
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