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Michelle, I would like you to know I so very appreciate your advise since I am feeling very subjective on this topic, sometimes, I dont see things in such a manner which can put my cats at risk and so I so appreciate your and Merrys objective evaluation on the issue --- more than anything, I am grateful for you spending every second thinking about my situation with my kitties. One time, I mentioned to Greg (who is also a lawyer), Honey, I think I can be a pretty good lawyer, because I can make a good argument and he looked at me and said is that what you think about lawyers?, and I said yeah they argue, thats what they do.. and Greg said,,,arguing does not necessary make a good lawyer, in my career, I have spent more time negotiating for my clients and the opponents and mediating the situations so that people decide to meet somewhere in the middle --- he is a PI lawyer, and does some criminal and domestic relations.. and lots of times, its about mediation --- and he is so good at it, too --- so for the same reason, I really appreciate you trying to direct me to the direction which will be safest for my cats --- as I said before, I can get so stuck with being right,, and dont do what IS right sometimes Hideyo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 10:13 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Another disaster Live and learn, eh, Michelle? Isn't it interesting how we seem to find ourselves in positions that force us to work on our less than strong points? Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to be clear, I am not very good at staying calm myself and do feel quite angry about what people have been putting Hideyo and other rescuers through. But as a lawyer I know I have to evaluate all the options in terms of chances of success and amounts of risk, and that is alI I was advocating doing. I actually have been accused by colleagues of having hair trigger responses at times rather than taking a step back and figuring out a more measured response, and it is something that I constantly struggle with. I am learning it a lot more now, because my new job is almost entirely policy work, and I am working on large issues that I have to negotiate with state agencies about, where there is not much recourse beyond convincing them to do the right thing. I am more used to negotiating with agencies over issues that arise in individual cases, where there is something I can go to court about if the negotiations do not get a favorable resolution. But now I am negotiating about new policies that are not actually prohibited or mandated by law, and without individual clients, and it feels a lot different. I can't just stop negotiating at some point and say I will take it before a judge. I have to just keep calm and keep negotiating. It is a new and somewhat uncomfortable position for me, the zealous advocate, but I think it is an important skill to be able to draw on. There may be times that I have ended up in court with clients where I did not have to if I had been a better negotiator. Michelle In a message dated 2/4/2006 5:04:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know Michelle is right about being calm and taking the safe way out. But I know how it goes against the grain and can make you so angry.
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Tonya, moving can be my last resort --- its certainly not impossible fortunately, the property value in my area doubled within the past year or two, so I can get pretty good money for my house.. but I also take care of about 5 or 6 o f feral cat colonies in the neighborhood (I go feed them around midnight) and it will make the tasks a little more difficult if I dont live near where I live now. I also spent lots of money converting my house with enclosures so that they can take sun bath and get fresh air --- so I really hate to give up on the house. But again, if it comes to that, it will be always an option From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 1:00 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Another disaster - update Good Lord! I know this is NOT what you want to hear. But if I were you I would not rush into anything, but I would start looking for a place to move. I know you've spent tons to get your house the way you wanted, etc... but still I would start looking. You know I just moved this summer. It was a LONG search because I wanted to find a place with some privacy and acerage with NO neighbors too close and NO stupid association. This is NOT easy to find where I live and took quite a while, but I finally lucked up on a pretty deserted little road where the houses are zoned at 2 acres and no less. The house I finally found is not what I personally wanted, but it's perfect for my animals. It's private. It's not in a subdivision at all, and I've got nearly 2 acres. Yes, it's needed work. But there's NO ONE to complain if I want to set cat cages behind my house or have too many cats laying in the front bay window. It was THE MAJOR decision maker on my buying this house. There are some neighbors close enough to complain if the dogs bark too much, but I even looked around to see if some of the nearby houses have dogs that bark too, and they do. lol. I think I told you before that I had an aquaintance go through something similar to what you're going through. So I knew when I moved I would buy the safest thing possible for the critters so that I could hopefully enjoy what you are going through now. Hell, if it weren't for the cats and dogsI'd live in a condo with little or no upkeep for a lot less money. lol. t Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought about it, but I dont think so, but I am not 100% sure --- he lives with girlfriend, and she is not US citizen, I think she is somewhere form south America, - it does not mean that she doesnt have anything against Japanese but its hard to say.. it looks like he is trying sell the house soon, so I hope he does --- Also, Greg just found out that someone shot his car window with a gun (I think) last night or something.. I think this is about 2nd or 3rd time his car got some type of damages what a timing.. I hope he does not think we had anything to do it.. (Greg thought he might) now I am a bit freaking out, if he think so, and if he tries to poison my cats through the outside enclosures I am a bit paranoid now.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 10:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Another disaster - update Hideyo, I hate to even suggest this but your comment about the neighbor not wanting people with certain ethnicities in his neighborhood made me wonder-- do you think that any of his animosity, or the animosity of the other guy, could be racism against you because you are Japanese? New Mexico is kind of known for being racially divided, and when I lived there for 3 months I could not believe how much blatant racism there was. What I saw was mostly racism against Native Americans and Latinos, but I would not be surprised if some of the white people there are racist against anyone who is from another country and/or is not white. If you think this might be part of what is going on, I think you need to tell your lawyers about it because it is relevant to the complaints, and it might also be something you want to mention to the ALCU if they are still considering doing an amicus brief. Michelle In a message dated 2/1/2006 6:08:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually I put everything in the house for now they really cannot complain what I have inside of the house --- to tell you the truth, if he wants to sell the house, it will probably sell in two days.. the market value of my neighborhood has gone way up by almost 100% for the past year or two and everyone who tries to sell the house in the area gets offered in ½ to 2 days and sell it --- so I really dont think that he is going to have any problems but again, I really cannot control the way he thinks.
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I know you've put a lot into the place where you are. I just think if I were you I would always keep an eye out for something suitable, not put too much more money into 'cat things' for the place etc Because when it comes down to it, these limits and bans are on the rise throughout the country. I don't think they are going to go away anytime soon unless something major changes. Just look at everything going on with the pit bull bans.I found a house I liked a hundred times more than the one I bought, but when I read the homeowners' association's bylaws and rules and regulations I couldn't believe it! I had already put an offer on the house and it had been accepted. I had talked to other people about their homeowners' associations and though I wasn't happy about it, I had decided I could live with it.Well,I decided to go ahead and ask for a copy to actually read them myself. WhenI actually read the bylaws and realized all they 'could' do if they 'wanted' to do everything by the letter.. I got out of my contract and bought the house not ina subdivision.You just never know what the future holds. tHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Tonya, moving can be my last resort --- its certainly not impossible fortunately, the property value in my area doubled within the past year or two, so I can get pretty good money for my house.. but I also take care of about 5 or 6 o f feral cat colonies in the neighborhood (I go feed them around midnight) and it will make the tasks a little more difficult if I dont live near where I live now. I also spent lots of money converting my house with enclosures so that they can take sun bath and get fresh air --- so I really hate to give up on the house. But again, if it comes to that, it will be always an optionFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonyaSent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 1:00 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Another disaster - update Good Lord!I know this is NOT what you want to hear. But if I were you I would not rush into anything, but I would start looking for a place to move. I know you've spent tons to get your house the way you wanted, etc... but still I would start looking. You know I just moved this summer. It was a LONG search because I wanted to find a place with some privacy and acerage with NO neighbors too close and NO stupid association. This is NOT easy to find where I live and took quite a while, but I finally lucked up on a pretty deserted little road where the houses are zoned at 2 acres and no less.The house I finally found is not what I personally wanted, but it's perfect for my animals. It's private. It's not in a subdivision at all, and I've got nearly 2 acres. Yes, it's needed work. But there's NO ONE to complain if I want to set cat cages behind my house or have too many cats laying in the front bay window.It was THE MAJOR decision maker on my buying this house. There are some neighbors close enough to complain if the dogs bark too much, but I even looked around to see if some of the nearby houses have dogs that bark too, and they do. lol. I think I told you before that I had an aquaintance go through something similar to what you're going through. So I knew when I moved I would buy the safest thing possible for the critters so that I could hopefully enjoy what you are going through now.Hell, if it weren't for the cats and dogsI'd live in a condo with little or no upkeep for a lot less money. lol.tHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought about it, but I dont think so, but I am not 100% sure --- he lives with girlfriend, and she is not US citizen, I think she is somewhere form south America, - it does not mean that she doesnt have anything against Japanese but its hard to say.. it looks like he is trying sell the house soon, so I hope he does ---Also, Greg just found out that someone shot his car window with a gun (I think) last night or something.. I think this is about 2nd or 3rd time his car got some type of damages what a timing.. I hope he does not think we had anything to do it.. (Greg thought he might) now I am a bit freaking out, if he think so, and if he tries to poison my cats through the outside enclosures I am a bit paranoid now..From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 10:54 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Another disaster - updateHideyo, I hate to even suggest this but your comment about the neighbor not wanting people with certain ethnicities in his neighborhood made me wonder-- do you think that any of his animosity, or the animosity of the other guy, could be racism against you because you are Japanese? New Mexico is kind of known for being racially divided, and when I lived there for 3 months I could not believe how much
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I will keep looking.. actually I have been looking houses for sale just to explore --- I might found a pretty good sized house with a couple of acre of lands somewhere in the south valley who knows J From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 11:27 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Another disaster - update I know you've put a lot into the place where you are. I just think if I were you I would always keep an eye out for something suitable, not put too much more money into 'cat things' for the place etc Because when it comes down to it, these limits and bans are on the rise throughout the country. I don't think they are going to go away anytime soon unless something major changes. Just look at everything going on with the pit bull bans. I found a house I liked a hundred times more than the one I bought, but when I read the homeowners' association's bylaws and rules and regulations I couldn't believe it! I had already put an offer on the house and it had been accepted. I had talked to other people about their homeowners' associations and though I wasn't happy about it, I had decided I could live with it. Well,I decided to go ahead and ask for a copy to actually read them myself. WhenI actually read the bylaws and realized all they 'could' do if they 'wanted' to do everything by the letter.. I got out of my contract and bought the house not ina subdivision. You just never know what the future holds. t Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tonya, moving can be my last resort --- its certainly not impossible fortunately, the property value in my area doubled within the past year or two, so I can get pretty good money for my house.. but I also take care of about 5 or 6 o f feral cat colonies in the neighborhood (I go feed them around midnight) and it will make the tasks a little more difficult if I dont live near where I live now. I also spent lots of money converting my house with enclosures so that they can take sun bath and get fresh air --- so I really hate to give up on the house. But again, if it comes to that, it will be always an option From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 1:00 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Another disaster - update Good Lord! I know this is NOT what you want to hear. But if I were you I would not rush into anything, but I would start looking for a place to move. I know you've spent tons to get your house the way you wanted, etc... but still I would start looking. You know I just moved this summer. It was a LONG search because I wanted to find a place with some privacy and acerage with NO neighbors too close and NO stupid association. This is NOT easy to find where I live and took quite a while, but I finally lucked up on a pretty deserted little road where the houses are zoned at 2 acres and no less. The house I finally found is not what I personally wanted, but it's perfect for my animals. It's private. It's not in a subdivision at all, and I've got nearly 2 acres. Yes, it's needed work. But there's NO ONE to complain if I want to set cat cages behind my house or have too many cats laying in the front bay window. It was THE MAJOR decision maker on my buying this house. There are some neighbors close enough to complain if the dogs bark too much, but I even looked around to see if some of the nearby houses have dogs that bark too, and they do. lol. I think I told you before that I had an aquaintance go through something similar to what you're going through. So I knew when I moved I would buy the safest thing possible for the critters so that I could hopefully enjoy what you are going through now. Hell, if it weren't for the cats and dogsI'd live in a condo with little or no upkeep for a lot less money. lol. t Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought about it, but I dont think so, but I am not 100% sure --- he lives with girlfriend, and she is not US citizen, I think she is somewhere form south America, - it does not mean that she doesnt have anything against Japanese but its hard to say.. it looks like he is trying sell the house soon, so I hope he does --- Also, Greg just found out that someone shot his car window with a gun (I think) last night or something.. I think this is about 2nd or 3rd time his car got some type of damages what a timing.. I hope he does not think we had anything to do it.. (Greg thought he might) now I am a bit freaking out, if he think so, and if he tries to poison my cats through the outside enclosures I am a bit paranoid now.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
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I actually do think you would be a good lawyer. You have a knack for research and understanding arguments and arguing. I think you should think about it. Michelle In a message dated 2/6/2006 12:47:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One time, I mentioned to Greg (who is also a lawyer), “Honey, I think I can be a pretty good lawyer, because I can make a good argument” – and he looked at me and said “is that what you think about lawyers?”, and I said “yeah… they argue, that’s what they do”.. and Greg said,,,”arguing does not necessary make a good lawyer, in my career, I have spent more time negotiating for my clients and the opponents and mediating the situations so that people decide to meet somewhere in the middle --- he is a PI lawyer, and does some criminal and domestic relations.. and lots of times, it’s about “mediation” --- and he is so good at it, too --- so for the same reason, I really appreciate you trying to direct me to the direction which will be safest for my cats --- as I said before, I can get so stuck with being right,, and don’t do what IS right sometimes… Hideyo
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Live and learn, eh, Michelle? Isn't it interesting how we seem to find ourselves in positions that force us to work on our less than strong points? Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to be clear, I am not very good at staying calm myself and do feel quite angry about what people have been putting Hideyo and other rescuers through. But as a lawyer I know I have to evaluate all the options in terms of chances of success and amounts of risk, and that is alI I was advocating doing. I actually have been accused by colleagues of having "hair trigger responses" at times rather than taking a step back and figuring out a more measured response, and it is something that I constantly struggle with. I am learning it a lot more now, because my new job is almost entirely policy work, and I am working on large issues that I have to negotiate with state agencies about, where there is not much recourse beyond convincing them to do the right thing. I am more used to negotiating with agencies over issues that arise in individual cases, where there is something I can go to court about if the negotiations do not get a favorable resolution. But now I am negotiating about new policies that are not actually prohibited or mandated by law, and without individual clients, and it feels a lot different. I can't just stop negotiating at some point and say I will take it before a judge. I have to just keep calm and keep negotiating. It is a new and somewhat uncomfortable position for me, the zealous advocate, but I think it is an important skill to be able to draw on. There may be times that I have ended up in court with clients where I did not have to if I had been a better negotiator. Michelle In a message dated 2/4/2006 5:04:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know Michelle is right about being calm and taking the safe way out. But I know how it goes against the grain and can make you so angry.
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hee hee--not laughing at anyone, just laughing at the situation i had endometriosis, have had three back surgeries, recently diagnosed with type 2 diabetes, and have fibromyalgia. have been on disability for 13 years now--ie, i am a member of the idle poor, which is the ONLY way i can even begin to keep up with my menagerie! i know just what you all mean about knowing a whole lot about drugs for specific conditions, learned from the cats--before i had rotator cuff surgery, we were trying to figure out how to figure out the HUMAN dosage of depo and whenever a friend gets an URI, i threaten to scruff them if they don't take their meds had a doctor once who was notorious for overscheduling himself--waiting 2 or morehours for the appointment was not unusual. i remember him being HIGHLY offended one time when, after waiting more than 3 hours and not being seen, i left, because i had a vet appointment. -- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
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Geeze MC, you're a mess! :) . I was laying in bed last night and happened on one of those awful animal rescue shows on TV. I never watch them, they always leave me in tears. I'm so grateful that there are people out there that go in and rescue neglected/abused animals, but I have enough suffering in my own life and it burdens me to know about suffering I can't do anything about. Yes, I'm a big baby, but I know my limitations, (well, at least I'm working on them!). Anyway, I was watching this segment where this woman had been evicted from her apartment because she had too many cats. These well meaning animal control officers where chasing these poor scared kitties throughout the apartment with nets. They were nervously laughing the entire time! I wanted to reach through my TV and slap them! The cats all looked healthy and well cared for. I kept wondering about the poor woman who thought her only recourse was to desert them. I kept thinking about what was going to happen to those poor cats whose lives have been so unexpectedly disrupted. My right paw kitty, Instigator saw my distress and climbed up on my chest. My thoughts turned to this list and all the wonderful people that share their homes and hearts so unselfishly with our animal friends. I cried into Insty's fur as I thought about what might happen to my babies, if anything happened to me and/or Bruce. We have to do our best to keep ourselves healthy, for their sake, as well as our own. Blessings to this wonderful list! No more late night TV for me! Nina TenHouseCats wrote: hee hee--not laughing at anyone, just laughing at the situation i had endometriosis, have had three back surgeries, recently diagnosed with type 2 diabetes, and have fibromyalgia. have been on disability for 13 years now--ie, i am a member of the idle poor, which is the ONLY way i can even begin to keep up with my menagerie! i know just what you all mean about knowing a whole lot about drugs for specific conditions, learned from the cats--before i had rotator cuff surgery, we were trying to figure out how to figure out the HUMAN dosage of depo and whenever a friend gets an URI, i threaten to scruff them if they don't take their meds had a doctor once who was notorious for overscheduling himself--waiting 2 or morehours for the appointment was not unusual. i remember him being HIGHLY offended one time when, after waiting more than 3 hours and not being seen, i left, because i had a vet appointment. -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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Good Lord!I know this is NOT what you want to hear. But if I were you I would not rush into anything, but I would start looking for a place to move. I know you've spent tons to get your house the way you wanted, etc... but still I would start looking.You know I just moved this summer. It was a LONG search because I wanted to find a place with some privacy and acerage with NO neighbors too close and NO stupid association. This is NOT easy to find where I live and took quite a while, but I finally lucked up on a pretty deserted little road where the houses are zoned at 2 acres and no less.The house I finally found is not what I personally wanted, but it's perfect for my animals. It's private. It's not in a subdivision at all, and I've got nearly 2 acres. Yes, it's needed work. But there's NO ONE to complain if I want to set cat cages behind my house or have too many cats laying in the front bay window.It was THE MAJOR decision maker on my buying this house. There are some neighbors close enough to complain if the dogs bark too much, but I even looked around to see if some of the nearby houses have dogs that bark too, and they do. lol. I think I told you before that I had an aquaintance go through something similar to what you're going through. So I knew when I moved I would buy the safest thing possible for the critters so that I could hopefully enjoy what you are going through now.Hell, if it weren't for the cats and dogsI'd live in a condo with little or no upkeep for a lot less money. lol.tHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I thought about it, but I dont think so, but I am not 100% sure --- he lives with girlfriend, and she is not US citizen, I think she is somewhere form south America, - it does not mean that she doesnt have anything against Japanese but its hard to say.. it looks like he is trying sell the house soon, so I hope he does ---Also, Greg just found out that someone shot his car window with a gun (I think) last night or something.. I think this is about 2nd or 3rd time his car got some type of damages what a timing.. I hope he does not think we had anything to do it.. (Greg thought he might) now I am a bit freaking out, if he think so, and if he tries to poison my cats through the outside enclosures I am a bit paranoid now..From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 10:54 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Another disaster - updateHideyo, I hate to even suggest this but your comment about the neighbor not wanting people with certain ethnicities in his neighborhood made me wonder-- do you think that any of his animosity, or the animosity of the other guy, could be racism against you because you are Japanese? New Mexico is kind of known for being racially divided, and when I lived there for 3 months I could not believe how much blatant racism there was. What I saw was mostly racism against Native Americans and Latinos, but I would not be surprised if some of the white people there are racist against anyone who is from another country and/or is not white. If you think this might be part of what is going on, I think you need to tell your lawyers about it because it is relevant to the complaints, and it might also be something you want to mention to the ALCU if they are still considering doing an amicus brief.MichelleIn a message dated 2/1/2006 6:08:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Actually I put everything in the house for now they really cannot complain what I have inside of the house --- to tell you the truth, if he wants to sell the house, it will probably sell in two days.. the market value of my neighborhood has gone way up by almost 100% for the past year or two and everyone who tries to sell the house in the area gets offered in ½ to 2 days and sell it --- so I really dont think that he is going to have any problems but again, I really cannot control the way he thinks.
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Thank you everyone for your well wishes. I've conquered the anemia, had the hysterectomy, am halfway moved in, and hopefully will get the thyroid going. You just all know how it is when you have a zoo to take care of. Between work and just basic care of my guys it's a lot of work. I'm either working, taking care of the critters, vegging out on this computer, or sleeping. That's basically it except when I'm on vacation in the summer. Summer will come. Summer will come! And yes, the only bills that get paid are the ones I can pay online. lol.And forcing myself to eat is not the problem. Forcing myself to make something to eat is so I eat cookies, Little Debby cakes, potato chips, etc lol. Really, I've gained so much weight I'm sure that has led to my lack of energy being worse. I need someone to force feed me broccoli!Here's a funny story for anyone's reading pleasure. My thyroid med. has to be taken 1st thing in the morning with water. No coffee, juice, anything else for 30 minutes (preferably an hour). Well I hate this. I hate drinking water and I want something 'good' to drink when I get up. Like chocolate milk!Sooo some friends recommended I put the pills by my bed with a cup of water and take it before I even get up. (I set my 3 alarms to go off a little before 6, but then sleep 30 more minutes to alarms and loud rap music before my friend calls to MAKE me get up at 6:30. Even the cats have learned to sleep through all this racket. lol, and NO ONE will spend the night at my house because of having to listen to all of this or yell at me to get up for 30 minutes!)So we all know I can't have a glass of water by my bed with 7 cats. Or a pill. And I don't want to get UP to take the pill or I may as well get up and be on time for work for Heaven's sake. I want to take the pill lying down and go back to sleep.So I go by a child's 'sippee cup', fill it with water, and put the sippee cup and the pills inside my dresser drawer. This was Friday, my first try with my new foolproof plan. The wind up"firehouse sounding ringing alarm" wakes meup at 6:00. I fumble in the drawer for the pill and cup of water and down the pill. Well, the water won't come out of the cup fast enough and the pill is dissolving in my mouth! I suck and suck on the thing and then give it a big squeeze to get some d*mn water to come out. Off POPS the lid soaking me, the cats, the bed with a glass of water. lol. I got up and put on more pajamas and came and slept in the recliner until my friend called. Time to come up with a new plan. ( I also got up and drank chocolate milk too. I felt I deserved it!) tNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh Tonya! I'm sorry to hear about your health problems! Don't worry about the house, it will get clean again eventually, pay the bills that you have to, (have you ever paid bills online? It's pretty fast and easy). Please take care of yourself and get some rest. Don't forget to force yourself to eat something. If we were closer I'd come over there and syringe feed you, if I had to.Much love,Ninacatatonya wrote: WHY DO WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH SUCH IDIOTS IN THIS WORLD I am so sorry you are going through all of this. I have not been well and finally went and got a thyroid panel run for myself with an endocrinologist. Well, my TSH was 65.45, and the doctor said it should be 1 or 2. lol. I'm on 137 mg of levoxyl. (The same amount as my aunt who had her thyroid removed due to cancer). All that to say that I've been sleeping pretty much around the clock. The house is a mess, and the bills have not been paid. I started med.s on Monday and hope to feel like a real person again soon. As soon as I get my check books balanced and my late bills paid I am planning to send you some money for your defense. I have some set aside, I just haven't had time to sit and write out checks, get to the post office for stamps, etc... I am off on Monday to go back to the doctor to start more med.s and get more results, etc so I have a long weekend to hopefully get my butt in gear. You are in my thoughts and prayers. If money will take care of this problem, we will come up with the money on this list. And I believe in your 'cause' on this one. It's for you, but it's also for everyone who has to deal with this kind of crap about limits. Yes, I know I'm not a lawyer, but it's freakin' UNCONSTITUTIONAL! Maybe when I retire from teaching and don't have to worry about my job I can just travel around the country and b*tch slap people like you're dealing with. lol. take care, tonya
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That makes two of us. The land and lack of "an association" that can tell you what to do with your own propertyare the keys. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: catatonya To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 1:59 PM Subject: RE: Another disaster - update Good Lord! I know this is NOT what you want to hear. But if I were you I would not rush into anything, but I would start looking for a place to move. I know you've spent tons to get your house the way you wanted, etc... but still I would start looking. You know I just moved this summer. It was a LONG search because I wanted to find a place with some privacy and acerage with NO neighbors too close and NO stupid association. This is NOT easy to find where I live and took quite a while, but I finally lucked up on a pretty deserted little road where the houses are zoned at 2 acres and no less. The house I finally found is not what I personally wanted, but it's perfect for my animals. It's private. It's not in a subdivision at all, and I've got nearly 2 acres. Yes, it's needed work. But there's NO ONE to complain if I want to set cat cages behind my house or have too many cats laying in the front bay window. It was THE MAJOR decision maker on my buying this house. There are some neighbors close enough to complain if the dogs bark too much, but I even looked around to see if some of the nearby houses have dogs that bark too, and they do. lol. I think I told you before that I had an aquaintance go through something similar to what you're going through. So I knew when I moved I would buy the safest thing possible for the critters so that I could hopefully enjoy what you are going through now. Hell, if it weren't for the cats and dogsI'd live in a condo with little or no upkeep for a lot less money. lol. tHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought about it, but I dont think so, but I am not 100% sure --- he lives with girlfriend, and she is not US citizen, I think she is somewhere form south America, - it does not mean that she doesnt have anything against Japanese but its hard to say.. it looks like he is trying sell the house soon, so I hope he does --- Also, Greg just found out that someone shot his car window with a gun (I think) last night or something.. I think this is about 2nd or 3rd time his car got some type of damages what a timing.. I hope he does not think we had anything to do it.. (Greg thought he might) now I am a bit freaking out, if he think so, and if he tries to poison my cats through the outside enclosures I am a bit paranoid now.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 10:54 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Another disaster - update Hideyo, I hate to even suggest this but your comment about the neighbor not wanting people with certain ethnicities in his neighborhood made me wonder-- do you think that any of his animosity, or the animosity of the other guy, could be racism against you because you are Japanese? New Mexico is kind of known for being racially divided, and when I lived there for 3 months I could not believe how much blatant racism there was. What I saw was mostly racism against Native Americans and Latinos, but I would not be surprised if some of the white people there are racist against anyone who is from another country and/or is not white. If you think this might be part of what is going on, I think you need to tell your lawyers about it because it is relevant to the complaints, and it might also be something you want to mention to the ALCU if they are still considering doing an amicus brief. Michelle In a message dated 2/1/2006 6:08:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually I put everything in the house for now they really cannot complain what I have inside of the house --- to tell you the truth, if he wants to sell the house, it will probably sell in two days.. the market value of my neighborhood has gone way up by almost 100% for the past year or two and everyone who tries to sell the house in the area gets offered in ½ to 2 days and sell it --- so I really dont think that he is going to have any problems but again, I really cannot control the way he thinks.
Re: Another disaster - Tonya
Tonya, I really know what you mean. I have a bunch of health problems myself (endometriosis, polycystic ovaries syndrome, gastritis, depression, had anemia last year which I hope is better...). I seem to only be able to medicate myself properly and get myself to the doctor when the animals are doing relatively well. As soon as I have a long regiment of pilling or vet visits or special diets to make them, though, my own regimen goes down the drain. It's like my brain can't hold that long a to do list and my own treatment gets dropped. I only remember all of it when I remember to write a long list of who gets what when-- and put myself on it! I usually do remember my necessary meds, but I often forget my supplements and vitamins and herbs and stuff... Michelle In a message dated 2/4/2006 4:46:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thank you everyone for your well wishes. I've conquered the anemia, had the hysterectomy, am halfway moved in, and hopefully will get the thyroid going. You just all know how it is when you have a zoo to take care of. Between work and just basic care of my guys it's a lot of work. I'm either working, taking care of the critters, vegging out on this computer, or sleeping. That's basically it except when I'm on vacation in the summer. Summer will come. Summer will come! And yes, the only bills that get paid are the ones I can pay online. lol.
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That is FANTASTIC news! I've been waiting to respond to your post Hideyo about how mad you are about this whole situation. I feel like you do, and I don't want to egg you on to cut off your nose to spite your face. (I do this from time to time myself.) I know Michelle is right about being calm and taking the safe way out. But I know how it goes against the grain and can make you so angry.take care, tNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's very good news Michelle, let's hope Merry is right. Thanks for posting it to the list.Nina[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hideyo, Merry just called me to update me on your case, and she seems very positive about the moratorium on the 10% rule getting passed soon and you getting a permit and the city dropping the criminal charge and civil case. We all need to keep our fingers crossed, of course, because it's not over til it's over and things always seem to happen. But Merry really does feel pretty certain that at some point this will all go away, at least for you. There will still be the need to lobby agains the limit law of course, but let's hope she's right about your case! Michelle
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Just to be clear, I am not very good at staying calm myself and do feel quite angry about what people have been putting Hideyo and other rescuers through. But as a lawyer I know I have to evaluate all the options in terms of chances of success and amounts of risk, and that is alI I was advocating doing. I actually have been accused by colleagues of having "hair trigger responses" at times rather than taking a step back and figuring out a more measured response, and it is something that I constantly struggle with. I am learning it a lot more now, because my new job is almost entirely policy work, and I am working on large issues that I have to negotiate with state agencies about, where there is not much recourse beyond convincing them to do the right thing. I am more used to negotiating with agencies over issues that arise in individual cases, where there is something I can go to court about if the negotiations do not get a favorable resolution. But now I am negotiating about new policies that are not actually prohibited or mandated by law, and without individual clients, and it feels a lot different. I can't just stop negotiating at some point and say I will take it before a judge. I have to just keep calm and keep negotiating. It is a new and somewhat uncomfortable position for me, the zealous advocate, but I think it is an important skill to be able to draw on. There may be times that I have ended up in court with clients where I did not have to if I had been a better negotiator. Michelle In a message dated 2/4/2006 5:04:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know Michelle is right about being calm and taking the safe way out. But I know how it goes against the grain and can make you so angry.
Re: Another disaster - Tonya
Yes, my doctors always chide me because my cats go to every specialist there is. By the time I make it to the doctor for myself I always know what they're talking about because I've dealt with it with one of my cats. lol. They don't find this as amusing as I do. I was talking to the endocrin. about Free T3 tests and TSH, etc... and she was impressed I had researched this before coming in. But I had researched it because I had two hyper-T cats. lol.t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Tonya, I really know what you mean. I have a bunch of health problems myself (endometriosis, polycystic ovaries syndrome, gastritis, depression, had anemia last year which I hope is better...). I seem to only be able to medicate myself properly and get myself to the doctor when the animals are doing relatively well. As soon as I have a long regiment of pilling or vet visits or special diets to make them, though, my own regimen goes down the drain. It's like my brain can't hold that long a to do list and my own treatment gets dropped. I only remember all of it when I remember to write a long list of who gets what when-- and put myself on it! I usually do remember my necessary meds, but I often forget my supplements and vitamins and herbs and stuff... MichelleIn a message dated 2/4/2006 4:46:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thank you everyone for your well wishes. I've conquered the anemia, had the hysterectomy, am halfway moved in, and hopefully will get the thyroid going. You just all know how it is when you have a zoo to take care of. Between work and just basic care of my guys it's a lot of work. I'm either working, taking care of the critters, vegging out on this computer, or sleeping. That's basically it except when I'm on vacation in the summer. Summer will come. Summer will come! And yes, the only bills that get paid are the ones I can pay online. lol.
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I was certainly not being critical! I get myself into trouble all the time because I'm too overzealous. It's good to fight for what you believe in. But you're more effective if you can do it with a cool head. It is VERY hard for me to keep a cool head. That's certainly not an advantage by any means! t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Just to be clear, I am not very good at staying calm myself and do feel quite angry about what people have been putting Hideyo and other rescuers through. But as a lawyer I know I have to evaluate all the options in terms of chances of success and amounts of risk, and that is alI I was advocating doing. I actually have been accused by colleagues of having "hair trigger responses" at times rather than taking a step back and figuring out a more measured response, and it is something that I constantly struggle with. I am learning it a lot more now, because my new job is almost entirely policy work, and I am working on large issues that I have to negotiate with state agencies about, where there is not much recourse beyond convincing them to do the right thing. I am more used to negotiating with agencies over issues that arise in individual cases, where there is something I can go to court about if the negotiations do not get a favorable resolution. But now I am negotiating about new policies that are not actually prohibited or mandated by law, and without individual clients, and it feels a lot different. I can't just stop negotiating at some point and say I will take it before a judge. I have to just keep calm and keep negotiating. It is a new and somewhat uncomfortable position for me, the zealous advocate, but I think it is an important skill to be able to draw on. There may be times that I have ended up in court with clients where I did not have to if I had been a better negotiator.MichelleIn a message dated 2/4/2006 5:04:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know Michelle is right about being calm and taking the safe way out. But I know how it goes against the grain and can make you so angry.
Re: Another disaster - Tonya
Yes, I know-- I know more about cancer than my two friends who have it do. Fortunately none of my cats have endometriosis though! Michelle In a message dated 2/4/2006 7:02:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, my doctors always chide me because my cats go to every specialist there is. By the time I make it to the doctor for myself I always know what they're talking about because I've dealt with it with one of my cats. lol. They don't find this as amusing as I do. I was talking to the endocrin. about Free T3 tests and TSH, etc... and she was impressed I had researched this before coming in. But I had researched it because I had two hyper-T cats. lol. t
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Tonya do take care of yourself! I hope you get to feeling better soon. You are in my thoughts and prayers. In a message dated 2/2/2006 4:57:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: WHY DO WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH SUCH IDIOTS IN THIS WORLD I am so sorry you are going through all of this. I have not been well and finally went and got a thyroid panel run for myself with an endocrinologist. Well, my TSH was 65.45, and the doctor said it should be 1 or 2. lol. I'm on 137 mg of levoxyl. (The same amount as my aunt who had her thyroidremoved due to cancer). All that to say that I've been sleeping pretty much around the clock. The house is a mess, and the bills have not been paid. I started med.s on Monday and hope to feel like a real person again soon. As soon as I get my check books balanced and my late bills paid I am planning to send you some money for your defense. I have some set aside, I just haven't had time to sit and write out checks, get to the post office for stamps, etc... I am off on Monday to go back to the doctor to start more med.s and get more results, etc so I have a long weekend to hopefully get my butt in gear. You are in my thoughts and prayers. If money will take care of this problem, we will come up with the money on this list. And I believe in your 'cause' on this one. It's for you, but it's also for everyone who has to deal with this kind of crap about limits. Yes, I know I'm not a lawyer, but it's freakin' UNCONSTITUTIONAL! Maybe when I retire from teaching and don't have to worry about my job I can just travel around the country and b*tch slap people like you're dealing with. lol. take care, tonya Terrie MohrTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverCheck sites for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttps://www.paypal.com/http://www.frappr.com/wasiameserescue
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I do have a pretty good feeling that the moratorium on the 10% should pass - just because no one could explain how they came up with it, and the city attorney also agreed that it's a silly rule... I was actually reading the transcript from my hearing, and towards the end, he actually stipulated to the fact that the pet limit law isn't effective way to control the problems among the irregular ownership -- my main concern is that I don't know if I want a permit or not - currently if you do get a permit, you are also agreeing to let them in your house without any advance notice and I refuse to let anyone in without any appointment in advance - I have had so much bad experience with them, and I don't trust them.. so.. I am not sure what I will do and what options I have -- I think I want to continue with appeal in case the city councilor does not agree with taking out the limit law, which is a good possibility to me. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 8:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Another disaster That's very good news Michelle, let's hope Merry is right. Thanks for posting it to the list. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hideyo, Merry just called me to update me on your case, and she seems very positive about the moratorium on the 10% rule getting passed soon and you getting a permit and the city dropping the criminal charge and civil case. We all need to keep our fingers crossed, of course, because it's not over til it's over and things always seem to happen. But Merry really does feel pretty certain that at some point this will all go away, at least for you. There will still be the need to lobby agains the limit law of course, but let's hope she's right about your case! Michelle
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Tonya, I am sorry that you have not been feeling well I will be praying that you will get better very very soon! Thank you for your prayers! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 5:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Another disaster WHY DO WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH SUCH IDIOTS IN THIS WORLD I am so sorry you are going through all of this. I have not been well and finally went and got a thyroid panel run for myself with an endocrinologist. Well, my TSH was 65.45, and the doctor said it should be 1 or 2. lol. I'm on 137 mg of levoxyl. (The same amount as my aunt who had her thyroidremoved due to cancer). All that to say that I've been sleeping pretty much around the clock. The house is a mess, and the bills have not been paid. I started med.s on Monday and hope to feel like a real person again soon. As soon as I get my check books balanced and my late bills paid I am planning to send you some money for your defense. I have some set aside, I just haven't had time to sit and write out checks, get to the post office for stamps, etc... I am off on Monday to go back to the doctor to start more med.s and get more results, etc so I have a long weekend to hopefully get my butt in gear. You are in my thoughts and prayers. If money will take care of this problem, we will come up with the money on this list. And I believe in your 'cause' on this one. It's for you, but it's also for everyone who has to deal with this kind of crap about limits. Yes, I know I'm not a lawyer, but it's freakin' UNCONSTITUTIONAL! Maybe when I retire from teaching and don't have to worry about my job I can just travel around the country and b*tch slap people like you're dealing with. lol. take care, tonya Susan Loesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geez. What a witch. It sounds like you could document a history of harrassment-type behavior. Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know.. Greg thinks it should come from a lawyer one time she (Camille) hosed one of my neighbors dogs in a very cold winter because he barked a little bit (he was a small Scottish dog), anyway, my neighbor reported her to police for cruelty to animals and she backed down on her dogs.. she used to through sticks and rocks in my yard when I had dogs --- she hates dogs and thats how this whole thing got started. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Loesch Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 1:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Another disaster Hideyo, this is awful. Could your lawyer not write the letter to her - it seems to me that a letter from him would carry more weight. To the neighborhood guy, also. This is harassment. Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone, someone (2 different reports) complaints about my cats again to the animal control today and they are completely false report and I am so mad and sad and scared at the same time. I am pretty sure that the person who made one of the complaints is the same person who did to create all this problem as it was still anonymous and she knew all the details which I doubt anyone else knows.. anyway,,, I think she had one of the really mean neighbors association of VP guy to also to call (because they were made on the same day, and how coincident is that?) --- anyway, the complaints are I have over 100 cats, and the smell of urine is so excessive and they are both lie! I asked the officer who came to investigate to tell me if he smells anything, he said not at all he was going to give me another citation for the violation on the number, and I asked him to talk to Director of Animal services as my case in on pending right now .. and he dismissed these climes. But I am soo scared that what this woman (Camille) is going to do to hurt me and hurt my cats she does not even live in this area anymore.. but she is so obsessed to hurt me. Making a false report is a felony and my criminal lawyer suggests that I write her a letter warning that I will file a law suit if she does not stop --- I also have to now deal with this mean neighborhood association guy as to why he made a false report (how in the heck he came up with the fact that I have over 100 cats even if I did, there is no way that he can see them they are all indoor kitties --) Everyone, please pray for me and my babies safety.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 12:53 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Kitty with sudden back leg problem Sounds like Ataxia. Tidge had it towards the end of her FIV. There are different causes of it including tumor or disk problems. Sometimes with FIV the infection
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Hideyo, I understand not wanting to agree to allowing impromptu inspections of your property, but if a permit would protect your right to keep your animals, it might be worth the possibility that someone will drop in. You could always just not answer the door when/if they show up unannounced. I have the feeling that the authorities won't be harassing you, they may or may not come to inspect your house once this is all settled. It's probably intended as a way to check up on complaints should they arise. You must be so sick of all this. My stomach hurts for you and I'm not even having to deal with it. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HIdeyo, I wrote you an email offlist about this too. If the new ordinance passes, your argument about the old ordinance will not apply anyway, because the language will be different. I would take the permit if they give it to you and then continue fighting in the city council to get an ordinance with no limit passed. Michelle In a message dated 2/3/2006 12:45:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think I want to continue with appeal in case the city councilor does not agree with taking out the limit law, which is a good possibility to me.
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I know -- realistically, they don't - I know a few bunch who has the permit and they never show up unless it's time for renewal or something ---here's what I am worried about.. getting a permit meaning they can also revoke it.. I have so many different harassment with my situation and I don't trust people - they can make this complete lie report and make me look bad.. and I also don't trust the animal control guy, the guy who made an inspection on my house lied during his testimony about a lot of stuff, and I feel vulnerable for my cats,, I don't want to have something that they can take away and sometimes I don't have a control over because people lie - I don't want the safety of my cat to be at their mercy - Also, I have a friend who also have about 20 cats, and they thought she was a hoarder (with no any good reason), so they sent 6 officers to her house and started opening her every single closet door and refrigerator (hoping to find a dead cat??) and everything, during the process she lost one of her kitty, she must have gotten so scared and ran away from the house as they were not careful about the closing the doors they open.. this kitty had never been outside in her life.. now it's so cold out there and she does not know how to survive.. I cry for this kitty .. and I couldn't bear the thought of losing mine because they are not careful.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 11:32 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Another disaster Hideyo, I understand not wanting to agree to allowing impromptu inspections of your property, but if a permit would protect your right to keep your animals, it might be worth the possibility that someone will drop in. You could always just not answer the door when/if they show up unannounced. I have the feeling that the authorities won't be harassing you, they may or may not come to inspect your house once this is all settled. It's probably intended as a way to check up on complaints should they arise. You must be so sick of all this. My stomach hurts for you and I'm not even having to deal with it. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HIdeyo, I wrote you an email offlist about this too. If the new ordinance passes, your argument about the old ordinance will not apply anyway, because the language will be different. I would take the permit if they give it to you and then continue fighting in the city council to get an ordinance with no limit passed. Michelle In a message dated 2/3/2006 12:45:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think I want to continue with appeal in case the city councilor does not agree with taking out the limit law, which is a good possibility to me.
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If they revoked a permit you could challenge that in court, and have the fight be about that. I understand your fear based on what happened to your friend. That is truly horrible. I wonder if, based on this having happened, you can get something in writing with the permit, like they can show up unannounced but can only enter if you are there and must allow you to open and close all doors in order to prevent your cats from getting outside, etc. In a message dated 2/3/2006 1:40:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know -- realistically, they don't - I know a few bunch who has thepermit and they never show up unless it's time for renewal or something---here's what I am worried about.. getting a permit meaning they canalso revoke it.. I have so many different harassment with my situationand I don't trust people - they can make this complete lie report andmake me look bad.. and I also don't trust the animal control guy, theguy who made an inspection on my house lied during his testimony about alot of stuff, and I feel vulnerable for my cats,, I don't want to havesomething that they can take away and sometimes I don't have a controlover because people "lie" - I don't want the safety of my cat to be attheir mercy -Also, I have a friend who also have about 20 cats, and they thought shewas a hoarder (with no any good reason), so they sent 6 officers to herhouse and started opening her every single closet door and refrigerator(hoping to find a dead cat??) and everything, during the process shelost one of her kitty, she must have gotten so scared and ran away fromthe house as they were not careful about the closing the doors theyopen.. this kitty had never been outside in her life.. now it's so coldout there and she does not know how to survive.. I cry for this kitty ..and I couldn't bear the thought of losing mine because they are notcareful..
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I totally understand how you are feeling and I completely agree with you, but you can not let that feeling dictate how you act right now. The point right now is not to show them what jerks they are, but to protect your cats. Your decisions about what to do need to be based on what is least risky for your cats and yourself, not what has the most chance to show the city that they are wrong. If you make decisions based on what is least risky, you may still be able to get everything you want, by getting rid of the city's claims against you and then getting the city council to get rid of the limit law, which would mean no permits necessary and no inspections. You do not want to let your anger make you do something that has a bigger risk of losing, like going to court. If you can resolve something outside of court, you should do it because the result is more certain. You never know what will happen in court. As angry as you are now, I think you will feel worse if you go through a court case when you do not have to and the judge says everything the city is doing is fine. Michelle In a message dated 2/3/2006 2:19:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From the very beginning to now, the city has this very attitude about “we are doing you a favor” – “we are making things easy for you” – or “we are bending our rules for you’ type of attitude – therefore I should be so grateful … and tell you the truth, they are NOT – they are not doing anything to help my situation personally – if they are not seizing my cats, it’s because they can’t do so legally based on what the laws currently allows or don’t allow (the law allows to take a custody of animals only when their safety and welfare is at risk), but not because they are trying to be nice to me.. but they are claiming so, and it makes me sick! If they are going to put 10% monitraum on the ordinance, it’s because they just realized how stupid it is and it does not make sense to anyone who has a bit piece of brain, and not because they are trying to do me a favor. I had asked so many different people in the city to help me out to bend the rule before it came to this far, and none of them went beyond of anything to help my situation out --- they all basically said.. well – that’s the law, sorry, there’s nothing we can do --- so I guess I am feeling a bit rebellious against them, because they keep telling me that I should be grateful – for what??? Not for killing my healthy, well loved and taken care of cats?? - the word “permit’ itself makes me feel sick --- I just don’t feel like I need their permission – I know this might not be the most politically smart way of thinking.. I am just so mad and bitter with them for twisting everything -
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Hideyo, I hate to even suggest this but your comment about the neighbor not wanting people with certain ethnicities in his neighborhood made me wonder-- do you think that any of his animosity, or the animosity of the other guy, could be racism against you because you are Japanese? New Mexico is kind of known for being racially divided, and when I lived there for 3 months I could not believe how much blatant racism there was. What I saw was mostly racism against Native Americans and Latinos, but I would not be surprised if some of the white people there are racist against anyone who is from another country and/or is not white. If you think this might be part of what is going on, I think you need to tell your lawyers about it because it is relevant to the complaints, and it might also be something you want to mention to the ALCU if they are still considering doing an amicus brief. Michelle In a message dated 2/1/2006 6:08:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually I put everything in the house for now – they really cannot complain what I have inside of the house --- to tell you the truth, if he wants to sell the house, it will probably sell in two days.. the market value of my neighborhood has gone way up by almost 100% for the past year or two and everyone who tries to sell the house in the area gets offered in ½ to 2 days and sell it --- so I really don’t think that he is going to have any problems… but again, I really cannot control the way he thinks.
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I thought about it, but I dont think so, but I am not 100% sure --- he lives with girlfriend, and she is not US citizen, I think she is somewhere form south America, - it does not mean that she doesnt have anything against Japanese but its hard to say.. it looks like he is trying sell the house soon, so I hope he does --- Also, Greg just found out that someone shot his car window with a gun (I think) last night or something.. I think this is about 2nd or 3rd time his car got some type of damages what a timing.. I hope he does not think we had anything to do it.. (Greg thought he might) now I am a bit freaking out, if he think so, and if he tries to poison my cats through the outside enclosures I am a bit paranoid now.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 10:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Another disaster - update Hideyo, I hate to even suggest this but your comment about the neighbor not wanting people with certain ethnicities in his neighborhood made me wonder-- do you think that any of his animosity, or the animosity of the other guy, could be racism against you because you are Japanese? New Mexico is kind of known for being racially divided, and when I lived there for 3 months I could not believe how much blatant racism there was. What I saw was mostly racism against Native Americans and Latinos, but I would not be surprised if some of the white people there are racist against anyone who is from another country and/or is not white. If you think this might be part of what is going on, I think you need to tell your lawyers about it because it is relevant to the complaints, and it might also be something you want to mention to the ALCU if they are still considering doing an amicus brief. Michelle In a message dated 2/1/2006 6:08:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually I put everything in the house for now they really cannot complain what I have inside of the house --- to tell you the truth, if he wants to sell the house, it will probably sell in two days.. the market value of my neighborhood has gone way up by almost 100% for the past year or two and everyone who tries to sell the house in the area gets offered in ½ to 2 days and sell it --- so I really dont think that he is going to have any problems but again, I really cannot control the way he thinks.
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Hideyo, Merry just called me to update me on your case, and she seems very positive about the moratorium on the 10% rule getting passed soon and you getting a permit and the city dropping the criminal charge and civil case. We all need to keep our fingers crossed, of course, because it's not over til it's over and things always seem to happen. But Merry really does feel pretty certain that at some point this will all go away, at least for you. There will still be the need to lobby agains the limit law of course, but let's hope she's right about your case! Michelle
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That's very good news Michelle, let's hope Merry is right. Thanks for posting it to the list. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hideyo, Merry just called me to update me on your case, and she seems very positive about the moratorium on the 10% rule getting passed soon and you getting a permit and the city dropping the criminal charge and civil case. We all need to keep our fingers crossed, of course, because it's not over til it's over and things always seem to happen. But Merry really does feel pretty certain that at some point this will all go away, at least for you. There will still be the need to lobby agains the limit law of course, but let's hope she's right about your case! Michelle
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Hi, everyone thank you for your prayers and encouragement I cant tell you how much you guys give me the energy to keep going --- sometimes, I just want to give up.. but I know that I am not going to let any of my babies down.. so I keep going, but you guys make it much easier for me to do.. Anyway, I called and confronted my ex neighbor nut lady and it turned out that it was not her who reported me this time --- but instead it was my the other neighbor guy, Chris, whom we thought were our friends the whole time he has three dogs with him, but he is concerned that his house value is going to go down because I have many cats (though I keep them all indoors) and also he is a neat freak --- he does not like the fact that I feed my feral in my back yard and he does not like the fact that I have traps and carriers in MY back yard (which has no visibility to the outside world as its all fenced in..) --- but he can see if from his upstairs balcony and has been peeking at it sort of I was stabbed on my back he did not really admit it,, but it now makes sense,, because he is a very good friend of the neighborhood guy who also made a call on me saying that I have 100 cats on the same day.. Anyway,, I went to also talk to him.. not to really accuse of him for anything because he was never going to admit that that was himbut if we can work any problems out just among us without making it a bigger deal than it isI would like to do everything I can to do that.. there are certain things I could and certain things I couldnt but I told him that we are neighbors and wanted him to come to me directly if he has any concerns.. and he said he will He is planning to sell his house soon.. hopefully he will soon and wont have to worry about this.. I think he is sort of type of person, who does not want certain ethnic people to live he is concerned about his house value is going to go down.. again.. I think he is perceiving my cats in a similar way.. their existence itself (thought they are not causing him any problems at all) annoy them I was very sad to find out because I feel betrayed a little bit but I just have to keep going to make sure that my babies are protected from people like him.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kerry MacKenzie Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 9:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Another disaster Hideyo, you're the best, and I'm so so sorry you have these awful, revoltingpeople harassing you. Take Greg's advice is my advice. I hope you never hear from them again. Wish some of us lived near you. We're all rooting for you, you know that. love and hugs, Kerry - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 2:37 PM Subject: RE: Another disaster I know.. Greg thinks it should come from a lawyer one time she (Camille) hosed one of my neighbors dogs in a very cold winter because he barked a little bit (he was a small Scottish dog), anyway, my neighbor reported her to police for cruelty to animals and she backed down on her dogs.. she used to through sticks and rocks in my yard when I had dogs --- she hates dogs and thats how this whole thing got started. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Loesch Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 1:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Another disaster Hideyo, this is awful. Could your lawyer not write the letter to her - it seems to me that a letter from him would carry more weight. To the neighborhood guy, also. This is harassment. Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone, someone (2 different reports) complaints about my cats again to the animal control today and they are completely false report and I am so mad and sad and scared at the same time. I am pretty sure that the person who made one of the complaints is the same person who did to create all this problem as it was still anonymous and she knew all the details which I doubt anyone else knows.. anyway,,, I think she had one of the really mean neighbors association of VP guy to also to call (because they were made on the same day, and how coincident is that?) --- anyway, the complaints are I have over 100 cats, and the smell of urine is so excessive and they are both lie! I asked the officer who came to investigate to tell me if he smells anything, he said not at all he was going to give me another citation for the violation on the number, and I asked him to talk to Director of Animal services as my case in on pending right now .. and he dismissed these climes. But I am soo scared that what this woman (Camille) is going to do to hurt me and hurt my cats she does not even live in this area anymore.. but she is so obsessed to hurt me. Making a false report is a felony and my criminal lawyer suggests that I write her a letter warning
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Yesterday,, I went to his house (neighbourhood guy) with Greg to find out more about the report I knew he was at the house and knocked the door a couple of times but he decided not to answer the door so we left there and after we came back he had called and left me a message saying that he did not complain about the urine smell or anything like that (which the report say he did ) anyway, he said that you banged on my door and 30 mins ago so I called the police --- so I discourage you not to come my house and do that..otherwise I will call the police again --- he is such a control freak I just knocked the door since I did not see any door bell and he continued to say -- this can be handled on the phone or official meeting set up as the neighborhood association or court --- Greg talked to a few people on the neighborhood board, and it sounds like he is such a control freak power hungry.. and everyone hates him.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 6:54 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Another disaster Have you ever had any interaction with people on association boards? They are usually very lonely, ineffectual people looking for ways to push their insubstantial weight around. They have very little to do and take great pleasure nit picking the rules with people that don't enjoy arguing back. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, I see. I understand now. She is a nut who hates animals. Why do you think the neighborhood association guy weighed in? Michelle In a message dated 1/31/2006 3:37:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know.. Greg thinks it should come from a lawyer one time she (Camille) hosed one of my neighbors dogs in a very cold winter because he barked a little bit (he was a small Scottish dog), anyway, my neighbor reported her to police for cruelty to animals and she backed down on her dogs.. she used to through sticks and rocks in my yard when I had dogs --- she hates dogs and thats how this whole thing got started.
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I suggest you start carrying a tape recorder and consider putting one on your phone. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 5:46 PM Subject: RE: Another disaster Yesterday,, I went to his house (neighbourhood guy) with Greg to find out more about the report I knew he was at the house and knocked the door a couple of times but he decided not to answer the door so we left there and after we came back he had called and left me a message saying that he did not complain about the urine smell or anything like that (which the report say he did ) anyway, he said that you banged on my door and 30 mins ago so I called the police --- so I discourage you not to come my house and do that..otherwise I will call the police again --- he is such a control freak I just knocked the door since I did not see any door bell and he continued to say -- this can be handled on the phone or official meeting set up as the neighborhood association or court --- Greg talked to a few people on the neighborhood board, and it sounds like he is such a control freak power hungry.. and everyone hates him.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NinaSent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 6:54 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Another disaster Have you ever had any interaction with people on association boards? They are usually very lonely, ineffectual people looking for ways to push their insubstantial weight around. They have very little to do and take great pleasure nit picking the "rules" with people that don't enjoy arguing back.Nina[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, I see. I understand now. She is a nut who hates animals. Why do you think the neighborhood association guy weighed in? Michelle In a message dated 1/31/2006 3:37:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know.. Greg thinks it should come from a lawyer one time she (Camille) hosed one of my neighbors dogs in a very cold winter because he barked a little bit (he was a small Scottish dog), anyway, my neighbor reported her to police for cruelty to animals and she backed down on her dogs.. she used to through sticks and rocks in my yard when I had dogs --- she hates dogs and thats how this whole thing got started.
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Hi, everyone, someone (2 different reports) complaints about my cats again to the animal control today and they are completely false report and I am so mad and sad and scared at the same time. I am pretty sure that the person who made one of the complaints is the same person who did to create all this problem as it was still anonymous and she knew all the details which I doubt anyone else knows.. anyway,,, I think she had one of the really mean neighbors association of VP guy to also to call (because they were made on the same day, and how coincident is that?) --- anyway, the complaints are I have over 100 cats, and the smell of urine is so excessive and they are both lie! I asked the officer who came to investigate to tell me if he smells anything, he said not at all he was going to give me another citation for the violation on the number, and I asked him to talk to Director of Animal services as my case in on pending right now .. and he dismissed these climes. But I am soo scared that what this woman (Camille) is going to do to hurt me and hurt my cats she does not even live in this area anymore.. but she is so obsessed to hurt me. Making a false report is a felony and my criminal lawyer suggests that I write her a letter warning that I will file a law suit if she does not stop --- I also have to now deal with this mean neighborhood association guy as to why he made a false report (how in the heck he came up with the fact that I have over 100 cats even if I did, there is no way that he can see them they are all indoor kitties --) Everyone, please pray for me and my babies safety.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 12:53 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Kitty with sudden back leg problem Sounds like Ataxia. Tidge had it towards the end of her FIV. There are different causes of it including tumor or disk problems. Sometimes with FIV the infection spreads to the CNS which can cause it but not sure if thisw is the same for FeLV. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
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Hideyo, my heart is going out to you and I'm sending all the strength and courage and endurance to you. Keep that lawyer, she sounds awesome!HUGSHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi, everyone, someone (2 different reports) complaints about my cats again to the animal control today and they are completely false report and I am so mad and sad and scared at the same time. I am pretty sure that the person who made one of the complaints is the same person who did to create all this problem as it was still anonymous and she knew all the details which I doubt anyone else knows.. anyway,,, I think she had one of the really mean neighbors association of VP guy to also to call (because they were made on the same day, and how coincident is that?) --- anyway, the complaints are I have over 100 cats, and the smell of urine is so excessive and they are both lie! I asked the officer who came to investigate to tell me if he smells anything, he said not at all he was going to give me another citation for the violation on the number, and I asked him to talk to Director of Animal services as my case in on pending right now .. and he dismissed these climes. But I am soo scared that what this woman (Camille) is going to do to hurt me and hurt my cats she does not even live in this area anymore.. but she is so obsessed to hurt me. Making a false report is a felony and my criminal lawyer suggests that I write her a letter warning that I will file a law suit if she does not stop --- I also have to now deal with this mean neighborhood association guy as to why he made a false report (how in the heck he came up with the fact that I have over 100 cats even if I did, there is no way that he can see them they are all indoor kitties --)Everyone, please pray for me and my babies safety..From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 12:53 PMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Kitty with sudden back leg problemSounds like Ataxia. Tidge had it towards the end of her FIV. There are different causes of it including tumor or disk problems. Sometimes with FIV the infection spreads to the CNS which can cause it but not sure if thisw is the same for FeLV. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile."- Anonymous Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars.
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Hideyo, this is awful. Could your lawyer not write the letter to her - it seems to me that a letter from him would carry more weight. To the neighborhood guy, also. This is harassment.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi, everyone, someone (2 different reports) complaints about my cats again to the animal control today and they are completely false report and I am so mad and sad and scared at the same time. I am pretty sure that the person who made one of the complaints is the same person who did to create all this problem as it was still anonymous and she knew all the details which I doubt anyone else knows.. anyway,,, I think she had one of the really mean neighbors association of VP guy to also to call (because they were made on the same day, and how coincident is that?) --- anyway, the complaints are I have over 100 cats, and the smell of urine is so excessive and they are both lie! I asked the officer who came to investigate to tell me if he smells anything, he said not at all he was going to give me another citation for the violation on the number, and I asked him to talk to Director of Animal services as my case in on pending right now .. and he dismissed these climes. But I am soo scared that what this woman (Camille) is going to do to hurt me and hurt my cats she does not even live in this area anymore.. but she is so obsessed to hurt me. Making a false report is a felony and my criminal lawyer suggests that I write her a letter warning that I will file a law suit if she does not stop --- I also have to now deal with this mean neighborhood association guy as to why he made a false report (how in the heck he came up with the fact that I have over 100 cats even if I did, there is no way that he can see them they are all indoor kitties --)Everyone, please pray for me and my babies safety..From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 12:53 PMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Kitty with sudden back leg problemSounds like Ataxia. Tidge had it towards the end of her FIV. There are different causes of it including tumor or disk problems. Sometimes with FIV the infection spreads to the CNS which can cause it but not sure if thisw is the same for FeLV. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
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I know.. Greg thinks it should come from a lawyer one time she (Camille) hosed one of my neighbors dogs in a very cold winter because he barked a little bit (he was a small Scottish dog), anyway, my neighbor reported her to police for cruelty to animals and she backed down on her dogs.. she used to through sticks and rocks in my yard when I had dogs --- she hates dogs and thats how this whole thing got started. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Loesch Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 1:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Another disaster Hideyo, this is awful. Could your lawyer not write the letter to her - it seems to me that a letter from him would carry more weight. To the neighborhood guy, also. This is harassment. Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone, someone (2 different reports) complaints about my cats again to the animal control today and they are completely false report and I am so mad and sad and scared at the same time. I am pretty sure that the person who made one of the complaints is the same person who did to create all this problem as it was still anonymous and she knew all the details which I doubt anyone else knows.. anyway,,, I think she had one of the really mean neighbors association of VP guy to also to call (because they were made on the same day, and how coincident is that?) --- anyway, the complaints are I have over 100 cats, and the smell of urine is so excessive and they are both lie! I asked the officer who came to investigate to tell me if he smells anything, he said not at all he was going to give me another citation for the violation on the number, and I asked him to talk to Director of Animal services as my case in on pending right now .. and he dismissed these climes. But I am soo scared that what this woman (Camille) is going to do to hurt me and hurt my cats she does not even live in this area anymore.. but she is so obsessed to hurt me. Making a false report is a felony and my criminal lawyer suggests that I write her a letter warning that I will file a law suit if she does not stop --- I also have to now deal with this mean neighborhood association guy as to why he made a false report (how in the heck he came up with the fact that I have over 100 cats even if I did, there is no way that he can see them they are all indoor kitties --) Everyone, please pray for me and my babies safety.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 12:53 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Kitty with sudden back leg problem Sounds like Ataxia. Tidge had it towards the end of her FIV. There are different causes of it including tumor or disk problems. Sometimes with FIV the infection spreads to the CNS which can cause it but not sure if thisw is the same for FeLV. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
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Geez. What a witch. It sounds like you could document a history of harrassment-type behavior.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I know.. Greg thinks it should come from a lawyer one time she (Camille) hosed one of my neighbors dogs in a very cold winter because he barked a little bit (he was a small Scottish dog), anyway, my neighbor reported her to police for cruelty to animals and she backed down on her dogs.. she used to through sticks and rocks in my yard when I had dogs --- she hates dogs and thats how this whole thing got started.From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan LoeschSent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 1:13 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Another disasterHideyo, this is awful. Could your lawyer not write the letter to her - it seems to me that a letter from him would carry more weight. To the neighborhood guy, also. This is harassment.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone, someone (2 different reports) complaints about my cats again to the animal control today and they are completely false report and I am so mad and sad and scared at the same time. I am pretty sure that the person who made one of the complaints is the same person who did to create all this problem as it was still anonymous and she knew all the details which I doubt anyone else knows.. anyway,,, I think she had one of the really mean neighbors association of VP guy to also to call (because they were made on the same day, and how coincident is that?) --- anyway, the complaints are I have over 100 cats, and the smell of urine is so excessive and they are both lie! I asked the officer who came to investigate to tell me if he smells anything, he said not at all he was going to give me another citation for the violation on the number, and I asked him to talk to Director of Animal services as my case in on pending right now .. and he dismissed these climes. But I am soo scared that what this woman (Camille) is going to do to hurt me and hurt my cats she does not even live in this area anymore.. but she is so obsessed to hurt me. Making a false report is a felony and my criminal lawyer suggests that I write her a letter warning that I will file a law suit if she does not stop --- I also have to now deal with this mean neighborhood association guy as to why he made a false report (how in the heck he came up with the fact that I have over 100 cats even if I did, there is no way that he can see them they are all indoor kitties --)Everyone, please pray for me and my babies safety..From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 12:53 PMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Kitty with sudden back leg problemSounds like Ataxia. Tidge had it towards the end of her FIV. There are different causes of it including tumor or disk problems. Sometimes with FIV the infection spreads to the CNS which can cause it but not sure if thisw is the same for FeLV. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
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Good grief it doesn't end for you! My god what is wrong with this person? Lucky I'm not close by I would hold my own court with help of course. I don't know if this would make any difference what about a restraining order against this peron or persons? I would cerainly ask your lawyer about Slanderous remarks and such. You are in my thoughts and prayers! Judgement day will come to these nasty people in time. In a message dated 1/31/2006 12:07:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, everyone, someone (2 different reports) complaints about my cats again to the animal control today – and they are completely false report and I am so mad and sad and scared at the same time. I am pretty sure that the person who made one of the complaints is the same person who did to create all this problem as it was still anonymous and she knew all the details which I doubt anyone else knows.. anyway,,, I think she had one of the really mean neighbors association of VP guy to also to call (because they were made on the same day, and how coincident is that?) --- anyway, the complaints are I have over 100 cats, and the smell of urine is so excessive – and they are both lie! I asked the officer who came to investigate to tell me if he smells anything, he said not at all – he was going to give me another citation for the violation on the number, and I asked him to talk to Director of Animal services as my case in on pending right now .. and he dismissed these climes. But I am soo scared that what this woman (Camille) is going to do to hurt me and hurt my cats – she does not even live in this area anymore.. but she is so obsessed to hurt me. Making a false report is a felony and my criminal lawyer suggests that I write her a letter warning that I will file a law suit if she does not stop --- I also have to now deal with this mean neighborhood association guy as to why he made a false report (how in the heck he came up with the fact that I have over 100 cats – even if I did, there is no way that he can see them they are all indoor kitties --) Everyone, please pray for me and my babies safety.. Terrie MohrTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverCheck sites for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttps://www.paypal.com/http://www.frappr.com/wasiameserescue
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Yeah.. my criminal lawyer told me that I can suit her for slanderous --- but a proving part might be a bit tough. she physically does not necessary come close, as she harasses by making phone calls. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 1:47 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Another disaster Good grief it doesn't end for you! My god what is wrong with this person? Lucky I'm not close by I would hold my own court with help of course. I don't know if this would make any difference what about a restraining order against this peron or persons? I would cerainly ask your lawyer about Slanderous remarks and such. You are in my thoughts and prayers! Judgement day will come to these nasty people in time. In a message dated 1/31/2006 12:07:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, everyone, someone (2 different reports) complaints about my cats again to the animal control today and they are completely false report and I am so mad and sad and scared at the same time. I am pretty sure that the person who made one of the complaints is the same person who did to create all this problem as it was still anonymous and she knew all the details which I doubt anyone else knows.. anyway,,, I think she had one of the really mean neighbors association of VP guy to also to call (because they were made on the same day, and how coincident is that?) --- anyway, the complaints are I have over 100 cats, and the smell of urine is so excessive and they are both lie! I asked the officer who came to investigate to tell me if he smells anything, he said not at all he was going to give me another citation for the violation on the number, and I asked him to talk to Director of Animal services as my case in on pending right now .. and he dismissed these climes. But I am soo scared that what this woman (Camille) is going to do to hurt me and hurt my cats she does not even live in this area anymore.. but she is so obsessed to hurt me. Making a false report is a felony and my criminal lawyer suggests that I write her a letter warning that I will file a law suit if she does not stop --- I also have to now deal with this mean neighborhood association guy as to why he made a false report (how in the heck he came up with the fact that I have over 100 cats even if I did, there is no way that he can see them they are all indoor kitties --) Everyone, please pray for me and my babies safety.. Terrie Mohr TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Owner/Driver Check sites for available Siameses for adoption! http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html Petfinder.com Adopt a Homeless Pet! http://www.petfinder.com/ http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.petloss.com/ TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.frappr.com/wasiameserescue
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Hideyo, I will keep you and this awful situation on my prayer list. It's sad when people are vindictive like that. Keep your chin up! :) Wendy --- Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone, someone (2 different reports) complaints about my cats again to the animal control today - and they are completely false report and I am so mad and sad and scared at the same time. I am pretty sure that the person who made one of the complaints is the same person who did to create all this problem as it was still anonymous and she knew all the details which I doubt anyone else knows.. anyway,,, I think she had one of the really mean neighbors association of VP guy to also to call (because they were made on the same day, and how coincident is that?) --- anyway, the complaints are I have over 100 cats, and the smell of urine is so excessive - and they are both lie! I asked the officer who came to investigate to tell me if he smells anything, he said not at all - he was going to give me another citation for the violation on the number, and I asked him to talk to Director of Animal services as my case in on pending right now .. and he dismissed these climes. But I am soo scared that what this woman (Camille) is going to do to hurt me and hurt my cats - she does not even live in this area anymore.. but she is so obsessed to hurt me. Making a false report is a felony and my criminal lawyer suggests that I write her a letter warning that I will file a law suit if she does not stop --- I also have to now deal with this mean neighborhood association guy as to why he made a false report (how in the heck he came up with the fact that I have over 100 cats - even if I did, there is no way that he can see them they are all indoor kitties --) Everyone, please pray for me and my babies safety.. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 12:53 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Kitty with sudden back leg problem Sounds like Ataxia. Tidge had it towards the end of her FIV. There are different causes of it including tumor or disk problems. Sometimes with FIV the infection spreads to the CNS which can cause it but not sure if thisw is the same for FeLV. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Even if it ended up that you couldn't prove it I wonder if just filing the suit would straighten her up since she'd know you were willing to take a serious step. And she'd be thinking about having to answer questions in court???Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Yeah.. my criminal lawyer told me that I can suit her for slanderous --- but a proving part might be a bit tough. she physically does not necessary come close, as she harasses by making phone calls.From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 1:47 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Another disaster Good grief it doesn't end for you!My god what is wrong with this person?Lucky I'm not close by I would hold my own court with help of course.I don't know if this would make any difference what about a restraining order against this peron or persons?I would cerainly ask your lawyer about Slanderous remarks and such.You are in my thoughts and prayers!Judgement day will come to these nasty people in time.In a message dated 1/31/2006 12:07:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Hi, everyone, someone (2 different reports) complaints about my cats again to the animal control today and they are completely false report and I am so mad and sad and scared at the same time. I am pretty sure that the person who made one of the complaints is the same person who did to create all this problem as it was still anonymous and she knew all the details which I doubt anyone else knows.. anyway,,, I think she had one of the really mean neighbors association of VP guy to also to call (because they were made on the same day, and how coincident is that?) --- anyway, the complaints are I have over 100 cats, and the smell of urine is so excessive and they are both lie! I asked the officer who came to investigate to tell me if he smells anything, he said not at all he was going to give me another citation for the violation on the number, and I asked him to talk to Director of Animal services as my case in on pending right now .. and he dismissed these climes. But I am soo scared that what this woman (Camille) is going to do to hurt me and hurt my cats she does not even live in this area anymore.. but she is so obsessed to hurt me. Making a false report is a felony and my criminal lawyer suggests that I write her a letter warning that I will file a law suit if she does not stop --- I also have to now deal with this mean neighborhood association guy as to why he made a false report (how in the heck he came up with the fact that I have over 100 cats even if I did, there is no way that he can see them they are all indoor kitties --)Everyone, please pray for me and my babies safety.. Terrie MohrTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverCheck sites for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttps://www.paypal.com/http://www.frappr.com/wasiameserescue
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Hideyo, did you have problems with this woman when she lived near you? What do you think is motivating her to do this? Are you going to write her a letter? In some ways it would be better to have your lawyer write it, but she might not be able to do so due to ethics rules (for instance, lawyers are not allowed to threaten criminal action against someone in a civil suit). Michelle In a message dated 1/31/2006 3:07:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, everyone, someone (2 different reports) complaints about my cats again to the animal control today – and they are completely false report and I am so mad and sad and scared at the same time. I am pretty sure that the person who made one of the complaints is the same person who did to create all this problem as it was still anonymous and she knew all the details which I doubt anyone else knows.. anyway,,, I think she had one of the really mean neighbors association of VP guy to also to call (because they were made on the same day, and how coincident is that?) --- anyway, the complaints are I have over 100 cats, and the smell of urine is so excessive – and they are both lie! I asked the officer who came to investigate to tell me if he smells anything, he said not at all – he was going to give me another citation for the violation on the number, and I asked him to talk to Director of Animal services as my case in on pending right now .. and he dismissed these climes. But I am soo scared that what this woman (Camille) is going to do to hurt me and hurt my cats – she does not even live in this area anymore.. but she is so obsessed to hurt me. Making a false report is a felony and my criminal lawyer suggests that I write her a letter warning that I will file a law suit if she does not stop --- I also have to now deal with this mean neighborhood association guy as to why he made a false report (how in the heck he came up with the fact that I have over 100 cats – even if I did, there is no way that he can see them they are all indoor kitties --) Everyone, please pray for me and my babies safety..
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Oh, I see. I understand now. She is a nut who hates animals. Why do you think the neighborhood association guy weighed in? Michelle In a message dated 1/31/2006 3:37:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know.. Greg thinks it should come from a lawyer – one time she (Camille) hosed one of my neighbor’s dogs in a very cold winter because he barked a little bit (he was a small Scottish dog), anyway, my neighbor reported her to police for cruelty to animals and she backed down on her dogs.. she used to through sticks and rocks in my yard when I had dogs --- she hates dogs and that’s how this whole thing got started.
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Well she is a nut but she thinks she is an animal activist. She has two dogs and a cat which I adored very much when they lived in my area she used to tell me oh Hideyo, I dont have any problems with your cats at all (of course, they are all indoor cats and she does not even see them) but she hates small dogs who has a sort of high pitch sounds when they bark my neighbors Scottie had it,, and one of my dogs had it.. and she called animal control complaining about the dog barking,, but they did not do anything about it because dogs were never barking when they came to inspect.. and the only way for her to do is to file a court.. and she did not want to do that.. so she decided to harass me and my cats for it.. but I just dont understand.. she moved away last year, and she must be obsessed.. I am not sure, why this neighborhood guys made a false complaint but I am going to ask him as to what this is about --- its very hurtful especially for the situation I am in now I just want to be left alone. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 2:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Another disaster Oh, I see. I understand now. She is a nut who hates animals. Why do you think the neighborhood association guy weighed in? Michelle In a message dated 1/31/2006 3:37:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know.. Greg thinks it should come from a lawyer one time she (Camille) hosed one of my neighbors dogs in a very cold winter because he barked a little bit (he was a small Scottish dog), anyway, my neighbor reported her to police for cruelty to animals and she backed down on her dogs.. she used to through sticks and rocks in my yard when I had dogs --- she hates dogs and thats how this whole thing got started.
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Ask your lawyer to do it and see what she says. Since she is representing you in a criminal case rather than a civil case, the ethical rule I am referring to might not apply even if it does exist in NM. Michelle In a message dated 1/31/2006 4:51:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Huh.. that’s interesting, if my criminal lawyer cannot do it,, I can write it and tell her that I am copying my lawyer (and put her name) so that she knows – or should I ask Penni to write her a letter telling her to stop making false report on me.
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Couldn't her attorney write the letter and in it explain that Hideyo is willing to pursue this matter in Civil court? The threat of action wouldn't be coming from the attorney, but Hideyo. I'm guessing this pet hater wouldn't know the difference and if she knows that Hideyo is on to her, she'd back down. She obviously is a coward and/or doesn't really feel she has a case, or she wouldn't be complaining anonymously. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hideyo, did you have problems with this woman when she lived near you? What do you think is motivating her to do this? Are you going to write her a letter? In some ways it would be better to have your lawyer write it, but she might not be able to do so due to ethics rules (for instance, lawyers are not allowed to threaten criminal action against someone in a civil suit). Michelle In a message dated 1/31/2006 3:07:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, everyone, someone (2 different reports) complaints about my cats again to the animal control today – and they are completely false report and I am so mad and sad and scared at the same time. I am pretty sure that the person who made one of the complaints is the same person who did to create all this problem as it was still anonymous and she knew all the details which I doubt anyone else knows.. anyway,,, I think she had one of the really mean neighbors association of VP guy to also to call (because they were made on the same day, and how coincident is that?) --- anyway, the complaints are I have over 100 cats, and the smell of urine is so excessive – and they are both lie! I asked the officer who came to investigate to tell me if he smells anything, he said not at all – he was going to give me another citation for the violation on the number, and I asked him to talk to Director of Animal services as my case in on pending right now .. and he dismissed these climes. But I am soo scared that what this woman (Camille) is going to do to hurt me and hurt my cats – she does not even live in this area anymore.. but she is so obsessed to hurt me. Making a false report is a felony and my criminal lawyer suggests that I write her a letter warning that I will file a law suit if she does not stop --- I also have to now deal with this mean neighborhood association guy as to why he made a false report (how in the heck he came up with the fact that I have over 100 cats – even if I did, there is no way that he can see them they are all indoor kitties --) Everyone, please pray for me and my babies safety..
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Have you ever had any interaction with people on association boards? They are usually very lonely, ineffectual people looking for ways to push their insubstantial weight around. They have very little to do and take great pleasure nit picking the "rules" with people that don't enjoy arguing back. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, I see. I understand now. She is a nut who hates animals. Why do you think the neighborhood association guy weighed in? Michelle In a message dated 1/31/2006 3:37:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I know.. Greg thinks it should come from a lawyer – one time she (Camille) hosed one of my neighbor’s dogs in a very cold winter because he barked a little bit (he was a small Scottish dog), anyway, my neighbor reported her to police for cruelty to animals and she backed down on her dogs.. she used to through sticks and rocks in my yard when I had dogs --- she hates dogs and that’s how this whole thing got started.
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Hideyo, you're the best, and I'm so so sorry you have these awful, revoltingpeople harassing you. Take Greg's advice is my advice. I hope you never hear from them again. Wish some of us lived near you. We're all rooting for you, you know that. love and hugs, Kerry - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 2:37 PM Subject: RE: Another disaster I know.. Greg thinks it should come from a lawyer one time she (Camille) hosed one of my neighbors dogs in a very cold winter because he barked a little bit (he was a small Scottish dog), anyway, my neighbor reported her to police for cruelty to animals and she backed down on her dogs.. she used to through sticks and rocks in my yard when I had dogs --- she hates dogs and thats how this whole thing got started. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan LoeschSent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 1:13 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Another disaster Hideyo, this is awful. Could your lawyer not write the letter to her - it seems to me that a letter from him would carry more weight. To the neighborhood guy, also. This is harassment.Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone, someone (2 different reports) complaints about my cats again to the animal control today and they are completely false report and I am so mad and sad and scared at the same time. I am pretty sure that the person who made one of the complaints is the same person who did to create all this problem as it was still anonymous and she knew all the details which I doubt anyone else knows.. anyway,,, I think she had one of the really mean neighbors association of VP guy to also to call (because they were made on the same day, and how coincident is that?) --- anyway, the complaints are I have over 100 cats, and the smell of urine is so excessive and they are both lie! I asked the officer who came to investigate to tell me if he smells anything, he said not at all he was going to give me another citation for the violation on the number, and I asked him to talk to Director of Animal services as my case in on pending right now .. and he dismissed these climes. But I am soo scared that what this woman (Camille) is going to do to hurt me and hurt my cats she does not even live in this area anymore.. but she is so obsessed to hurt me. Making a false report is a felony and my criminal lawyer suggests that I write her a letter warning that I will file a law suit if she does not stop --- I also have to now deal with this mean neighborhood association guy as to why he made a false report (how in the heck he came up with the fact that I have over 100 cats even if I did, there is no way that he can see them they are all indoor kitties --) Everyone, please pray for me and my babies safety.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 12:53 PMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Kitty with sudden back leg problem Sounds like Ataxia. Tidge had it towards the end of her FIV. There are different causes of it including tumor or disk problems. Sometimes with FIV the infection spreads to the CNS which can cause it but not sure if thisw is the same for FeLV. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble
