Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia - to Kelley
Thanks Hideyo, He did not run coombs test. So the diagnosis is suspected. See, my problem is that I do rescue...so I have other cats in need of medical. I know you have lots of cats too. But the problem is, if I spend all my money on Joey (I am spending my personal money on a 24% credit card to help him because people do not want to donate to a 10 year old cat. His dad said he would send $100 but so far he has not). Anyway if I spend all my credit card on Joey and then I have another cat who needs treatment and I have spent all my money on Joey - then I can't help the other cat. It is driving me crazy to try to decide what to do. I have a cat coming in Wednesday that will probably have to have one eye removed. But I don't know that yet, my vet has to see her. AIHA from what I can find on the internet is regenerative anemia. Kelley On 3/27/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Kelley, Nina wrote to me off list and I wanted to respond to you as I am going through a very very situation with my FIV boy Felix – I do wanted to find out more from you about the diagnosis of AIHA of Joey – did they run coombs test to determine the illness of AIHA? Is he regenerative anemia? Epgoen may help only if anemia is non regenerative – my Ayumi is non regenerative anemia and we don't know why – it could be from severe stomatitis – anyway, she Is not CRF kitty, but epogen seems to have helped her as she is maintaining low 20's o PCV for now.. On the other hand, my Felix is highly regenerative, but his body seems to attack his RBC – usually it goes down below 10 – he has had his 4thtransfusion on Saturday – fortunately he has not had any reactions from it. My recommendation is that.. if it goes down lower and get weaker, especially, if he will have hard time breathing, which will happen if his PCV goes down further, I recommend that you do transfusion – even with hermobartnella kitties, often times, they have to get multiple transfusion until the med start working – but at least it will buy you some time meantime..Felix is on steroid and on doxy as well.. I am still waiting for his Hemobartenella PCR result (takes about one week form Idexx) – I will continue to do transfusions as long as I can afford it and he does not develop reactions – he feels so much better after his transfusions – There is a page as to how to treat AIHA in case hyou have not read it – I will forward it to you, as the suggest other drugs if they don't respond to steroid – I am considering using for my Felix as well. You also may wan to ask your vet if you can get oxygen tank in case he will have a hard time breathing.. I have used for my cats at home and have it here all the time, and it has come so handy, especially a kitty with severe anemia. -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Kelley Saveika *Sent:* Thursday, March 22, 2007 6:11 AM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia Thanks Wendy, It is VERY scary. I did not ask him about Epogen. I asked him about transfusions. He said that they are no longer recommended becuase those red blood cells get attacked too, but he would do one for me if I wanted. Right now, for a sick cat, Joey is acting pretty good. He grooms a little, and lies on his tummy with his head up, instead of on his side with his head laying on the floor. He is quite feisty with me when I give him his meds, too. He is able to walk on his own to the food and water dish. If he makes it he will probably have to be on steroids for life to keep it from coming back. On 3/21/07, *wendy* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Kelley, I'm so sorry about Joey's prognosis. Anemia is so scary. I did a little research and humans with AIHA use Epogen. Did your vet say whether Epogen would help Joey? :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Joey, an owner surrendered cat I took in last month, has been diagnosed with Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia. I'm really concerned about him. I feel bad because I think I should have noticed something sooner. What information can yall give me about this disease? It is my understanding this disease is more common in FELV+ cats. Thanks, -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one
Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia - Kelley
He has been seen by my vet twice and not been diagnosed with any sort of stomatitis. He did stop eating when he first got sick and lost 3 lb. Since he has been on the drugs - he had his first CBC on 3/21 and his second 3/24. So he regained 3 ounces in 3 days. He is eating a lot now. I am getting a lot better at pilling him since I have to give him 6 pills a day. His WBC was down to the normal range the 2nd blood draw. Unfortunately his RBC was even lower than the first time. On 3/27/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again, I am sorry, I asked the same questions you already answered here – I am a bit stressed out with mjy current situations, please forgive me – now he is over 10 years old.. the possibility fo FIP goes down significantly.. now I am thinking does he have severe stomatitis by any chance? My ayumi's PCV is very low, and she is on epogen and it's working on her and she has non regenerative anemia – her glob is high due to stomatitis- is he on epogen already? -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Hideyo Yamamoto *Sent:* Tuesday, March 27, 2007 12:05 AM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* RE: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia - Kelley Sorry, Kelley – I am re-reading this email so you won't have to answer the questions already answered here – but I need to find out more about the blood work if you have it – glob seems to be very high…his a/g ration must be low - how about his bilburin values? If you have it, can you email it to me? Did they run corona titer test? – I don't mean to scare you but did the vet suggest any possibilities of FIP with Joey?How old is he? Is he less than 2 years old? I wanted to look at the entire blood result if you have it -- is he on FOI? -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Kelley Saveika *Sent:* Wednesday, March 21, 2007 4:12 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia He did a cbc. wbc 21.5, mono 1.85, neu 18.44, hct 15.3, rbc 3.23, hgb 8.5, rdw 22.3, mch 26.36, plt 731, amyl 1743, bun 48, glob 7.5, tp 10.1 He did not do a coombs test. This is s difficult for me, but his is a 10 year old rescue/foster cat with a life-threatening disease. My bill today was $244. I am going to treat him as aggressively as I can, but this could easily cost me $2,000 without the coombs test. He goes back next Monday for another CBC. I cannot spend all my money on this one cat, because if a different one becomes sick after this and I spend all my money on Joey and he dies:( I wont' have any money to treat the cat I could save. He is on 20 mg of prednisolone a day and doxycycline. He fought me hard to get the pills down so maybe he will do better than I fear. His prognosis is guarded:( On 3/21/07, *Hideyo Yamamoto* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How did you confirm the diagnosis? Is it with coombs test? -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Marylyn *Sent:* Wednesday, March 21, 2007 2:48 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia My beautiful Mai Mai had this awful condition. Her vets were wonderful but the steroids took their toll. However, my alternative vet was very helpful and able to get the condition under control for a pretty good length of time. You might investigate this avenue. Mai Mai left this world over 5 years ago and treatments may well have improved. Good luck and blessings to you. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, March 21, 2007 10:57 AM *Subject:* Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia I've never had or dealt w/ [that I can remember now anyway.] a cat w/ this disease... But I DO remember when my first Rottie was diagnosed with it.. What had me concerned was his lethargy, not common for him. Just laying around, sleeping alot. So, I took him to my vet. Was devastated when I got results!!! Mind you, I WAS thinking positive, after all, he was my baby. It's a nasty disease.. (Very prevalent for his breed as I learned doing my research) We tried everything as it progressed... PCV's every three days, transfusions, epoeitin [sp?], an oncologist, chemo (THREE diff. prescriptions!), etc., etc. Needless to say, and I'm sorry, but after TOO long, I finally had my boy PTS.. He could no longer walk, even get up. And, the chemo drugs made
RE: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia - to Kelley
If you are not a non profit then you could possibly try to work with one -- so if you paid whatever monies to them for the services and they paid the bills, you could get a tax write off from the IRS. You would need a receipt from the nonprofit. It is so kind of you to help the kitties and I know every cent counts! Where is the money tree when we need it! Anita Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 07:10:20 -0500From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia - to Kelley Thanks Hideyo, He did not run coombs test. So the diagnosis is suspected. See, my problem is that I do rescue...so I have other cats in need of medical. I know you have lots of cats too. But the problem is, if I spend all my money on Joey (I am spending my personal money on a 24% credit card to help him because people do not want to donate to a 10 year old cat. His dad said he would send $100 but so far he has not). Anyway if I spend all my credit card on Joey and then I have another cat who needs treatment and I have spent all my money on Joey - then I can't help the other cat. It is driving me crazy to try to decide what to do. I have a cat coming in Wednesday that will probably have to have one eye removed. But I don't know that yet, my vet has to see her. AIHA from what I can find on the internet is regenerative anemia. Kelley On 3/27/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Kelley, Nina wrote to me off list and I wanted to respond to you as I am going through a very very situation with my FIV boy Felix – I do wanted to find out more from you about the diagnosis of AIHA of Joey – did they run coombs test to determine the illness of AIHA? Is he regenerative anemia? Epgoen may help only if anemia is non regenerative – my Ayumi is non regenerative anemia and we don't know why – it could be from severe stomatitis – anyway, she Is not CRF kitty, but epogen seems to have helped her as she is maintaining low 20's o PCV for now.. On the other hand, my Felix is highly regenerative, but his body seems to attack his RBC – usually it goes down below 10 – he has had his 4 th transfusion on Saturday – fortunately he has not had any reactions from it. My recommendation is that.. if it goes down lower and get weaker, especially, if he will have hard time breathing, which will happen if his PCV goes down further, I recommend that you do transfusion – even with hermobartnella kitties, often times, they have to get multiple transfusion until the med start working – but at least it will buy you some time meantime..Felix is on steroid and on doxy as well.. I am still waiting for his Hemobartenella PCR result (takes about one week form Idexx) – I will continue to do transfusions as long as I can afford it and he does not develop reactions – he feels so much better after his transfusions – There is a page as to how to treat AIHA in case hyou have not read it – I will forward it to you, as the suggest other drugs if they don't respond to steroid – I am considering using for my Felix as well. You also may wan to ask your vet if you can get oxygen tank in case he will have a hard time breathing.. I have used for my cats at home and have it here all the time, and it has come so handy, especially a kitty with severe anemia. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley SaveikaSent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 6:11 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia Thanks Wendy, It is VERY scary. I did not ask him about Epogen. I asked him about transfusions. He said that they are no longer recommended becuase those red blood cells get attacked too, but he would do one for me if I wanted. Right now, for a sick cat, Joey is acting pretty good. He grooms a little, and lies on his tummy with his head up, instead of on his side with his head laying on the floor. He is quite feisty with me when I give him his meds, too. He is able to walk on his own to the food and water dish. If he makes it he will probably have to be on steroids for life to keep it from coming back. On 3/21/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Kelley,I'm so sorry about Joey's prognosis. Anemia is soscary. I did a little research and humans with AIHA use Epogen. Did your vet say whether Epogen wouldhelp Joey?:)Wendy--- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Joey, an owner surrendered cat I took in last month, has been diagnosed with Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia. I'm really concerned about him. I feel bad because I think I should have noticed something sooner. What information can yall give me about this disease? It is my understanding this disease is more common in FELV+ cats. Thanks, -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia - to Kelley
I am a nonprofit, I just don't have my letter of determination yet. I am expecting it before the end of the year, certainly before next tax year. But that doesn't really help much - you get about 30 cents back on the dollar. I wrote off 3,000 last year and got an 1,800 refund. When I am paying 24% interest on this credit card I am using it is a very large financial hit. But he is going to get paid for anyway. The problem is when I run out of credit then it will be a very big issue. I just have to keep fundraising and make sure that doesnt' happen:). On 3/27/07, Stray Cat Alliance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are not a non profit then you could possibly try to work with one -- so if you paid whatever monies to them for the services and they paid the bills, you could get a tax write off from the IRS. You would need a receipt from the nonprofit. It is so kind of you to help the kitties and I know every cent counts! Where is the money tree when we need it! Anita -- Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 07:10:20 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia - to Kelley Thanks Hideyo, He did not run coombs test. So the diagnosis is suspected. See, my problem is that I do rescue...so I have other cats in need of medical. I know you have lots of cats too. But the problem is, if I spend all my money on Joey (I am spending my personal money on a 24% credit card to help him because people do not want to donate to a 10 year old cat. His dad said he would send $100 but so far he has not). Anyway if I spend all my credit card on Joey and then I have another cat who needs treatment and I have spent all my money on Joey - then I can't help the other cat. It is driving me crazy to try to decide what to do. I have a cat coming in Wednesday that will probably have to have one eye removed. But I don't know that yet, my vet has to see her. AIHA from what I can find on the internet is regenerative anemia. Kelley On 3/27/07, *Hideyo Yamamoto* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Kelley, Nina wrote to me off list and I wanted to respond to you as I am going through a very very situation with my FIV boy Felix – I do wanted to find out more from you about the diagnosis of AIHA of Joey – did they run coombs test to determine the illness of AIHA? Is he regenerative anemia? Epgoen may help only if anemia is non regenerative – my Ayumi is non regenerative anemia and we don't know why – it could be from severe stomatitis – anyway, she Is not CRF kitty, but epogen seems to have helped her as she is maintaining low 20's o PCV for now.. On the other hand, my Felix is highly regenerative, but his body seems to attack his RBC – usually it goes down below 10 – he has had his 4 thtransfusion on Saturday – fortunately he has not had any reactions from it. My recommendation is that.. if it goes down lower and get weaker, especially, if he will have hard time breathing, which will happen if his PCV goes down further, I recommend that you do transfusion – even with hermobartnella kitties, often times, they have to get multiple transfusion until the med start working – but at least it will buy you some time meantime..Felix is on steroid and on doxy as well.. I am still waiting for his Hemobartenella PCR result (takes about one week form Idexx) – I will continue to do transfusions as long as I can afford it and he does not develop reactions – he feels so much better after his transfusions – There is a page as to how to treat AIHA in case hyou have not read it – I will forward it to you, as the suggest other drugs if they don't respond to steroid – I am considering using for my Felix as well. You also may wan to ask your vet if you can get oxygen tank in case he will have a hard time breathing.. I have used for my cats at home and have it here all the time, and it has come so handy, especially a kitty with severe anemia. -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Kelley Saveika *Sent:* Thursday, March 22, 2007 6:11 AM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia Thanks Wendy, It is VERY scary. I did not ask him about Epogen. I asked him about transfusions. He said that they are no longer recommended becuase those red blood cells get attacked too, but he would do one for me if I wanted. Right now, for a sick cat, Joey is acting pretty good. He grooms a little, and lies on his tummy with his head up, instead of on his side with his head laying on the floor. He is quite feisty with me when I give him his meds, too. He is able to walk on his own to the food and water dish. If he makes it he will probably have to be on steroids for life to keep it from coming back. On 3/21/07, *wendy* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Kelley, I'm so sorry about Joey's prognosis. Anemia is so scary. I did a little research and humans with AIHA use Epogen
Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia - to Kelley
Can you not write off some of the interest, too? Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am a nonprofit, I just don't have my letter of determination yet. I am expecting it before the end of the year, certainly before next tax year. But that doesn't really help much - you get about 30 cents back on the dollar. I wrote off 3,000 last year and got an 1,800 refund. When I am paying 24% interest on this credit card I am using it is a very large financial hit. But he is going to get paid for anyway. The problem is when I run out of credit then it will be a very big issue. I just have to keep fundraising and make sure that doesnt' happen:). On 3/27/07, Stray Cat Alliance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are not a non profit then you could possibly try to work with one -- so if you paid whatever monies to them for the services and they paid the bills, you could get a tax write off from the IRS. You would need a receipt from the nonprofit. It is so kind of you to help the kitties and I know every cent counts! Where is the money tree when we need it! Anita - Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 07:10:20 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia - to Kelley Thanks Hideyo, He did not run coombs test. So the diagnosis is suspected. See, my problem is that I do rescue...so I have other cats in need of medical. I know you have lots of cats too. But the problem is, if I spend all my money on Joey (I am spending my personal money on a 24% credit card to help him because people do not want to donate to a 10 year old cat. His dad said he would send $100 but so far he has not). Anyway if I spend all my credit card on Joey and then I have another cat who needs treatment and I have spent all my money on Joey - then I can't help the other cat. It is driving me crazy to try to decide what to do. I have a cat coming in Wednesday that will probably have to have one eye removed. But I don't know that yet, my vet has to see her. AIHA from what I can find on the internet is regenerative anemia. Kelley On 3/27/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Kelley, Nina wrote to me off list and I wanted to respond to you as I am going through a very very situation with my FIV boy Felix I do wanted to find out more from you about the diagnosis of AIHA of Joey did they run coombs test to determine the illness of AIHA? Is he regenerative anemia? Epgoen may help only if anemia is non regenerative my Ayumi is non regenerative anemia and we don't know why it could be from severe stomatitis anyway, she Is not CRF kitty, but epogen seems to have helped her as she is maintaining low 20's o PCV for now.. On the other hand, my Felix is highly regenerative, but his body seems to attack his RBC usually it goes down below 10 he has had his 4 th transfusion on Saturday fortunately he has not had any reactions from it. My recommendation is that.. if it goes down lower and get weaker, especially, if he will have hard time breathing, which will happen if his PCV goes down further, I recommend that you do transfusion even with hermobartnella kitties, often times, they have to get multiple transfusion until the med start working but at least it will buy you some time meantime..Felix is on steroid and on doxy as well.. I am still waiting for his Hemobartenella PCR result (takes about one week form Idexx) I will continue to do transfusions as long as I can afford it and he does not develop reactions he feels so much better after his transfusions There is a page as to how to treat AIHA in case hyou have not read it I will forward it to you, as the suggest other drugs if they don't respond to steroid I am considering using for my Felix as well. You also may wan to ask your vet if you can get oxygen tank in case he will have a hard time breathing.. I have used for my cats at home and have it here all the time, and it has come so handy, especially a kitty with severe anemia. - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 6:11 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia Thanks Wendy, It is VERY scary. I did not ask him about Epogen. I asked him about transfusions. He said that they are no longer recommended becuase those red blood cells get attacked too, but he would do one for me if I wanted. Right now, for a sick cat, Joey is acting pretty good. He grooms a little, and lies on his tummy with his head up, instead of on his side with his head laying on the floor. He is quite feisty with me when I give him his meds, too. He is able to walk on his own to the food and water dish. If he makes it he will probably have
Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia - to Kelley
No, you can't write off interest on credit cards. It is worth it if he lives. On 3/27/07, Gussies mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you not write off some of the interest, too? *Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: I am a nonprofit, I just don't have my letter of determination yet. I am expecting it before the end of the year, certainly before next tax year. But that doesn't really help much - you get about 30 cents back on the dollar. I wrote off 3,000 last year and got an 1,800 refund. When I am paying 24% interest on this credit card I am using it is a very large financial hit. But he is going to get paid for anyway. The problem is when I run out of credit then it will be a very big issue. I just have to keep fundraising and make sure that doesnt' happen:). On 3/27/07, Stray Cat Alliance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are not a non profit then you could possibly try to work with one -- so if you paid whatever monies to them for the services and they paid the bills, you could get a tax write off from the IRS. You would need a receipt from the nonprofit. It is so kind of you to help the kitties and I know every cent counts! Where is the money tree when we need it! Anita -- Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 07:10:20 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia - to Kelley Thanks Hideyo, He did not run coombs test. So the diagnosis is suspected. See, my problem is that I do rescue...so I have other cats in need of medical. I know you have lots of cats too. But the problem is, if I spend all my money on Joey (I am spending my personal money on a 24% credit card to help him because people do not want to donate to a 10 year old cat. His dad said he would send $100 but so far he has not). Anyway if I spend all my credit card on Joey and then I have another cat who needs treatment and I have spent all my money on Joey - then I can't help the other cat. It is driving me crazy to try to decide what to do. I have a cat coming in Wednesday that will probably have to have one eye removed. But I don't know that yet, my vet has to see her. AIHA from what I can find on the internet is regenerative anemia. Kelley On 3/27/07, *Hideyo Yamamoto* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Kelley, Nina wrote to me off list and I wanted to respond to you as I am going through a very very situation with my FIV boy Felix – I do wanted to find out more from you about the diagnosis of AIHA of Joey – did they run coombs test to determine the illness of AIHA? Is he regenerative anemia? Epgoen may help only if anemia is non regenerative – my Ayumi is non regenerative anemia and we don't know why – it could be from severe stomatitis – anyway, she Is not CRF kitty, but epogen seems to have helped her as she is maintaining low 20's o PCV for now.. On the other hand, my Felix is highly regenerative, but his body seems to attack his RBC – usually it goes down below 10 – he has had his 4 thtransfusion on Saturday – fortunately he has not had any reactions from it. My recommendation is that.. if it goes down lower and get weaker, especially, if he will have hard time breathing, which will happen if his PCV goes down further, I recommend that you do transfusion – even with hermobartnella kitties, often times, they have to get multiple transfusion until the med start working – but at least it will buy you some time meantime..Felix is on steroid and on doxy as well.. I am still waiting for his Hemobartenella PCR result (takes about one week form Idexx) – I will continue to do transfusions as long as I can afford it and he does not develop reactions – he feels so much better after his transfusions – There is a page as to how to treat AIHA in case hyou have not read it – I will forward it to you, as the suggest other drugs if they don't respond to steroid – I am considering using for my Felix as well. You also may wan to ask your vet if you can get oxygen tank in case he will have a hard time breathing.. I have used for my cats at home and have it here all the time, and it has come so handy, especially a kitty with severe anemia. -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Kelley Saveika *Sent:* Thursday, March 22, 2007 6:11 AM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia Thanks Wendy, It is VERY scary. I did not ask him about Epogen. I asked him about transfusions. He said that they are no longer recommended becuase those red blood cells get attacked too, but he would do one for me if I wanted. Right now, for a sick cat, Joey is acting pretty good. He grooms a little, and lies on his tummy with his head up, instead of on his side with his head laying on the floor. He is quite feisty with me when I give him his meds, too. He is able to walk on his own to the food
Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia - to Kelley
I'm pretty darn sure the tax deduction would include interest on the loan, no matter what the type of loan, (credit card or not), you'd have to ask your tax consultant about that to be sure. Like you say, having deductions is all well and good, but if you don't have the income, it doesn't make much difference. It only changes your taxable income amount. The money is still out of your pocket and not available for the next rescue. It's a nasty quandary, but it sounds like you've thought about this, (of course you have, you're in rescue!), and as hard as the decision is, money is a factor. I've said it so many times before, sometimes all the money in the world is not enough to save them. Joey is so much better off with you than he might otherwise be. You care about him, he's safe and loved, you are researching ways to help him. He's been blessed with a wonderful ally to fight for his chances and stand at his side. My prayers are with you that you continue to figure out ways to help Joey and he makes a full recovery. Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: No, you can't write off interest on credit cards. It is worth it if he lives. On 3/27/07, *Gussies mom* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you not write off some of the interest, too? */Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: I am a nonprofit, I just don't have my letter of determination yet. I am expecting it before the end of the year, certainly before next tax year. But that doesn't really help much - you get about 30 cents back on the dollar. I wrote off 3,000 last year and got an 1,800 refund. When I am paying 24% interest on this credit card I am using it is a very large financial hit. But he is going to get paid for anyway. The problem is when I run out of credit then it will be a very big issue. I just have to keep fundraising and make sure that doesnt' happen:). On 3/27/07, *Stray Cat Alliance* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are not a non profit then you could possibly try to work with one -- so if you paid whatever monies to them for the services and they paid the bills, you could get a tax write off from the IRS. You would need a receipt from the nonprofit. It is so kind of you to help the kitties and I know every cent counts! Where is the money tree when we need it! Anita http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia - to Kelley
Aww Nina, Thanks. He is pretty comfortable right now, despite his shockingly low RBC. He was eating this morning. He gained 3 ounces in 4 days which is GREAT. I just don't know what it means that the RBC is still going down, but the WBC is going down too. The WBC is within normal range. He's only 10, which realistically means he could quite a few years left if he can beat this. It isn't like he's 20, in which case I might make a different choice. I'm also getting really good at pilling cats. He's declawed (:() so he can't claw me like my guys do. He's good at spitting out the pills and can hold them in his mouth FOREVER without swallowing so I had to get good at getting them in there:) On 3/27/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm pretty darn sure the tax deduction would include interest on the loan, no matter what the type of loan, (credit card or not), you'd have to ask your tax consultant about that to be sure. Like you say, having deductions is all well and good, but if you don't have the income, it doesn't make much difference. It only changes your taxable income amount. The money is still out of your pocket and not available for the next rescue. It's a nasty quandary, but it sounds like you've thought about this, (of course you have, you're in rescue!), and as hard as the decision is, money is a factor. I've said it so many times before, sometimes all the money in the world is not enough to save them. Joey is so much better off with you than he might otherwise be. You care about him, he's safe and loved, you are researching ways to help him. He's been blessed with a wonderful ally to fight for his chances and stand at his side. My prayers are with you that you continue to figure out ways to help Joey and he makes a full recovery. Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: No, you can't write off interest on credit cards. It is worth it if he lives. On 3/27/07, Gussies mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you not write off some of the interest, too? *Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: I am a nonprofit, I just don't have my letter of determination yet. I am expecting it before the end of the year, certainly before next tax year. But that doesn't really help much - you get about 30 cents back on the dollar. I wrote off 3,000 last year and got an 1,800 refund. When I am paying 24% interest on this credit card I am using it is a very large financial hit. But he is going to get paid for anyway. The problem is when I run out of credit then it will be a very big issue. I just have to keep fundraising and make sure that doesnt' happen:). On 3/27/07, Stray Cat Alliance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are not a non profit then you could possibly try to work with one -- so if you paid whatever monies to them for the services and they paid the bills, you could get a tax write off from the IRS. You would need a receipt from the nonprofit. It is so kind of you to help the kitties and I know every cent counts! Where is the money tree when we need it! Anita http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
RE: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia - Kelley
If his bone marrow is suppressed, both RBC and WBC count goes down, I think. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 6:05 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia - Kelley He has been seen by my vet twice and not been diagnosed with any sort of stomatitis. He did stop eating when he first got sick and lost 3 lb. Since he has been on the drugs - he had his first CBC on 3/21 and his second 3/24. So he regained 3 ounces in 3 days. He is eating a lot now. I am getting a lot better at pilling him since I have to give him 6 pills a day. His WBC was down to the normal range the 2nd blood draw. Unfortunately his RBC was even lower than the first time. On 3/27/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again, I am sorry, I asked the same questions you already answered here - I am a bit stressed out with mjy current situations, please forgive me - now he is over 10 years old.. the possibility fo FIP goes down significantly.. now I am thinking does he have severe stomatitis by any chance? My ayumi's PCV is very low, and she is on epogen and it's working on her and she has non regenerative anemia - her glob is high due to stomatitis- is he on epogen already? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 12:05 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia - Kelley Sorry, Kelley - I am re-reading this email so you won't have to answer the questions already answered here - but I need to find out more about the blood work if you have it - glob seems to be very high...his a/g ration must be low - how about his bilburin values? If you have it, can you email it to me? Did they run corona titer test? - I don't mean to scare you but did the vet suggest any possibilities of FIP with Joey? How old is he? Is he less than 2 years old? I wanted to look at the entire blood result if you have it -- is he on FOI? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 4:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia He did a cbc. wbc 21.5, mono 1.85, neu 18.44, hct 15.3, rbc 3.23, hgb 8.5, rdw 22.3, mch 26.36, plt 731, amyl 1743, bun 48, glob 7.5, tp 10.1 He did not do a coombs test. This is s difficult for me, but his is a 10 year old rescue/foster cat with a life-threatening disease. My bill today was $244. I am going to treat him as aggressively as I can, but this could easily cost me $2,000 without the coombs test. He goes back next Monday for another CBC. I cannot spend all my money on this one cat, because if a different one becomes sick after this and I spend all my money on Joey and he dies:( I wont' have any money to treat the cat I could save. He is on 20 mg of prednisolone a day and doxycycline. He fought me hard to get the pills down so maybe he will do better than I fear. His prognosis is guarded:( On 3/21/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How did you confirm the diagnosis? Is it with coombs test? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 2:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia My beautiful Mai Mai had this awful condition. Her vets were wonderful but the steroids took their toll. However, my alternative vet was very helpful and able to get the condition under control for a pretty good length of time. You might investigate this avenue. Mai Mai left this world over 5 years ago and treatments may well have improved. Good luck and blessings to you. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 10:57 AM Subject: Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia I've never had or dealt w/ [that I can remember now anyway.] a cat w/ this disease... But I DO remember when my first Rottie was diagnosed with it.. What had me concerned was his lethargy, not common for him. Just laying around, sleeping alot. So, I took him to my vet. Was devastated when I got results!!! Mind you, I WAS thinking positive, after all, he was my baby. It's a nasty disease.. (Very prevalent for his breed as I learned doing
RE: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia - to Kelley
I know exactly what you are saying - I have already spent a couple thousand dollars for transfusions on Felix - at the same time, I have others who needs FOI or other medical treatment - it's hard to know what to do - you are doing what you can .. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 6:10 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia - to Kelley Thanks Hideyo, He did not run coombs test. So the diagnosis is suspected. See, my problem is that I do rescue...so I have other cats in need of medical. I know you have lots of cats too. But the problem is, if I spend all my money on Joey (I am spending my personal money on a 24% credit card to help him because people do not want to donate to a 10 year old cat. His dad said he would send $100 but so far he has not). Anyway if I spend all my credit card on Joey and then I have another cat who needs treatment and I have spent all my money on Joey - then I can't help the other cat. It is driving me crazy to try to decide what to do. I have a cat coming in Wednesday that will probably have to have one eye removed. But I don't know that yet, my vet has to see her. AIHA from what I can find on the internet is regenerative anemia. Kelley On 3/27/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Kelley, Nina wrote to me off list and I wanted to respond to you as I am going through a very very situation with my FIV boy Felix - I do wanted to find out more from you about the diagnosis of AIHA of Joey - did they run coombs test to determine the illness of AIHA? Is he regenerative anemia? Epgoen may help only if anemia is non regenerative - my Ayumi is non regenerative anemia and we don't know why - it could be from severe stomatitis - anyway, she Is not CRF kitty, but epogen seems to have helped her as she is maintaining low 20's o PCV for now.. On the other hand, my Felix is highly regenerative, but his body seems to attack his RBC - usually it goes down below 10 - he has had his 4 th transfusion on Saturday - fortunately he has not had any reactions from it. My recommendation is that.. if it goes down lower and get weaker, especially, if he will have hard time breathing, which will happen if his PCV goes down further, I recommend that you do transfusion - even with hermobartnella kitties, often times, they have to get multiple transfusion until the med start working - but at least it will buy you some time meantime..Felix is on steroid and on doxy as well.. I am still waiting for his Hemobartenella PCR result (takes about one week form Idexx) - I will continue to do transfusions as long as I can afford it and he does not develop reactions - he feels so much better after his transfusions - There is a page as to how to treat AIHA in case hyou have not read it - I will forward it to you, as the suggest other drugs if they don't respond to steroid - I am considering using for my Felix as well. You also may wan to ask your vet if you can get oxygen tank in case he will have a hard time breathing.. I have used for my cats at home and have it here all the time, and it has come so handy, especially a kitty with severe anemia. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 6:11 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia Thanks Wendy, It is VERY scary. I did not ask him about Epogen. I asked him about transfusions. He said that they are no longer recommended becuase those red blood cells get attacked too, but he would do one for me if I wanted. Right now, for a sick cat, Joey is acting pretty good. He grooms a little, and lies on his tummy with his head up, instead of on his side with his head laying on the floor. He is quite feisty with me when I give him his meds, too. He is able to walk on his own to the food and water dish. If he makes it he will probably have to be on steroids for life to keep it from coming back. On 3/21/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Kelley, I'm so sorry about Joey's prognosis. Anemia is so scary. I did a little research and humans with AIHA use Epogen. Did your vet say whether Epogen would help Joey? :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Joey, an owner surrendered cat I took in last month, has been diagnosed with Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia. I'm really concerned about him. I feel bad because I think I should have noticed something sooner. What information can yall give me about this disease? It is my understanding this disease is more common in FELV+ cats. Thanks, -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org http://www.rescuties.org/ Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http
RE: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia - to Kelley
If he is non regenerative anemia -you might want to try epogen - have you used it on him yet? I can try to get one for you and ship it if you like to try for Joey - Hideyo _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 11:14 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia - to Kelley Aww Nina, Thanks. He is pretty comfortable right now, despite his shockingly low RBC. He was eating this morning. He gained 3 ounces in 4 days which is GREAT. I just don't know what it means that the RBC is still going down, but the WBC is going down too. The WBC is within normal range. He's only 10, which realistically means he could quite a few years left if he can beat this. It isn't like he's 20, in which case I might make a different choice. I'm also getting really good at pilling cats. He's declawed (:() so he can't claw me like my guys do. He's good at spitting out the pills and can hold them in his mouth FOREVER without swallowing so I had to get good at getting them in there:) On 3/27/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm pretty darn sure the tax deduction would include interest on the loan, no matter what the type of loan, (credit card or not), you'd have to ask your tax consultant about that to be sure. Like you say, having deductions is all well and good, but if you don't have the income, it doesn't make much difference. It only changes your taxable income amount. The money is still out of your pocket and not available for the next rescue. It's a nasty quandary, but it sounds like you've thought about this, (of course you have, you're in rescue!), and as hard as the decision is, money is a factor. I've said it so many times before, sometimes all the money in the world is not enough to save them. Joey is so much better off with you than he might otherwise be. You care about him, he's safe and loved, you are researching ways to help him. He's been blessed with a wonderful ally to fight for his chances and stand at his side. My prayers are with you that you continue to figure out ways to help Joey and he makes a full recovery. Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: No, you can't write off interest on credit cards. It is worth it if he lives. On 3/27/07, Gussies mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you not write off some of the interest, too? Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am a nonprofit, I just don't have my letter of determination yet. I am expecting it before the end of the year, certainly before next tax year. But that doesn't really help much - you get about 30 cents back on the dollar. I wrote off 3,000 last year and got an 1,800 refund. When I am paying 24% interest on this credit card I am using it is a very large financial hit. But he is going to get paid for anyway. The problem is when I run out of credit then it will be a very big issue. I just have to keep fundraising and make sure that doesnt' happen:). On 3/27/07, Stray Cat Alliance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are not a non profit then you could possibly try to work with one -- so if you paid whatever monies to them for the services and they paid the bills, you could get a tax write off from the IRS. You would need a receipt from the nonprofit. It is so kind of you to help the kitties and I know every cent counts! Where is the money tree when we need it! Anita http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia - to Kelley
Like I said before, I don't know enough about this, but wouldn't the declining RBC mean that his anemia is non-regenerative? I think it's wonderful news that he seems comfortable and is eating, and gaining weight! That's a very good sign. Sometimes I wish we didn't know what the darn test results show, if he's appearing better, then he's doing better!! Heck, 10 years old is just a kid, (I should know I'm just past the middle mark myself). 6 pills a day are a lot of pills. Have you posted all his meds to the list yet? Are you using a pill popper? Some of them are better then others, (some have better spring action and really shoot the pill down the old gullet). They also help you place the pill far enough back in their throat so they can't cheek it. I've gotten to be pretty good at pilling using one. Make sure and chase the pills with something liquid. If he'll lap some tuna water afterward, that should do it. Have you tried my pill pocket technique on Joey yet? When their appetite is good it works like a charm. The secret is to not use the whole pill pocket, just enough to cover the pill and then hide it in a tiny amount of something yummy. When they'll go for it, it takes all the stress out of pill time. I just act like it's time for a treat. I don't even hold my breath anymore while I watch them eat it :-) . Can you have any of his meds made into transdermals? When my guys spit out the pills, or hold them in their mouths, I calmly explain that that won't do either of us any good. That Mom is not a quitter and that it will be easier on all of us if they just swallow the darn thing. Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: Aww Nina, Thanks. He is pretty comfortable right now, despite his shockingly low RBC. He was eating this morning. He gained 3 ounces in 4 days which is GREAT. I just don't know what it means that the RBC is still going down, but the WBC is going down too. The WBC is within normal range. He's only 10, which realistically means he could quite a few years left if he can beat this. It isn't like he's 20, in which case I might make a different choice. I'm also getting really good at pilling cats. He's declawed (:() so he can't claw me like my guys do. He's good at spitting out the pills and can hold them in his mouth FOREVER without swallowing so I had to get good at getting them in there:) http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
RE: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia - to Kelley
Not necessarily - the conditions of anemia itself is a decrease of RBD whether it's regenerative or non regenerative - you can have regenerative type like Felix, but something in the body is killing RBC as generated.. so get destroyed as well. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 11:50 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia - to Kelley Like I said before, I don't know enough about this, but wouldn't the declining RBC mean that his anemia is non-regenerative? I think it's wonderful news that he seems comfortable and is eating, and gaining weight! That's a very good sign. Sometimes I wish we didn't know what the darn test results show, if he's appearing better, then he's doing better!! Heck, 10 years old is just a kid, (I should know I'm just past the middle mark myself). 6 pills a day are a lot of pills. Have you posted all his meds to the list yet? Are you using a pill popper? Some of them are better then others, (some have better spring action and really shoot the pill down the old gullet). They also help you place the pill far enough back in their throat so they can't cheek it. I've gotten to be pretty good at pilling using one. Make sure and chase the pills with something liquid. If he'll lap some tuna water afterward, that should do it. Have you tried my pill pocket technique on Joey yet? When their appetite is good it works like a charm. The secret is to not use the whole pill pocket, just enough to cover the pill and then hide it in a tiny amount of something yummy. When they'll go for it, it takes all the stress out of pill time. I just act like it's time for a treat. I don't even hold my breath anymore while I watch them eat it :-) . Can you have any of his meds made into transdermals? When my guys spit out the pills, or hold them in their mouths, I calmly explain that that won't do either of us any good. That Mom is not a quitter and that it will be easier on all of us if they just swallow the darn thing. Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: Aww Nina, Thanks. He is pretty comfortable right now, despite his shockingly low RBC. He was eating this morning. He gained 3 ounces in 4 days which is GREAT. I just don't know what it means that the RBC is still going down, but the WBC is going down too. The WBC is within normal range. He's only 10, which realistically means he could quite a few years left if he can beat this. It isn't like he's 20, in which case I might make a different choice. I'm also getting really good at pilling cats. He's declawed (:() so he can't claw me like my guys do. He's good at spitting out the pills and can hold them in his mouth FOREVER without swallowing so I had to get good at getting them in there:) http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
RE: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia - to Kelley
Dear Kelley, Nina wrote to me off list and I wanted to respond to you as I am going through a very very situation with my FIV boy Felix - I do wanted to find out more from you about the diagnosis of AIHA of Joey - did they run coombs test to determine the illness of AIHA? Is he regenerative anemia? Epgoen may help only if anemia is non regenerative - my Ayumi is non regenerative anemia and we don't know why - it could be from severe stomatitis - anyway, she Is not CRF kitty, but epogen seems to have helped her as she is maintaining low 20's o PCV for now.. On the other hand, my Felix is highly regenerative, but his body seems to attack his RBC - usually it goes down below 10 - he has had his 4th transfusion on Saturday - fortunately he has not had any reactions from it. My recommendation is that.. if it goes down lower and get weaker, especially, if he will have hard time breathing, which will happen if his PCV goes down further, I recommend that you do transfusion - even with hermobartnella kitties, often times, they have to get multiple transfusion until the med start working - but at least it will buy you some time meantime..Felix is on steroid and on doxy as well.. I am still waiting for his Hemobartenella PCR result (takes about one week form Idexx) - I will continue to do transfusions as long as I can afford it and he does not develop reactions - he feels so much better after his transfusions - There is a page as to how to treat AIHA in case hyou have not read it - I will forward it to you, as the suggest other drugs if they don't respond to steroid - I am considering using for my Felix as well. You also may wan to ask your vet if you can get oxygen tank in case he will have a hard time breathing.. I have used for my cats at home and have it here all the time, and it has come so handy, especially a kitty with severe anemia. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 6:11 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia Thanks Wendy, It is VERY scary. I did not ask him about Epogen. I asked him about transfusions. He said that they are no longer recommended becuase those red blood cells get attacked too, but he would do one for me if I wanted. Right now, for a sick cat, Joey is acting pretty good. He grooms a little, and lies on his tummy with his head up, instead of on his side with his head laying on the floor. He is quite feisty with me when I give him his meds, too. He is able to walk on his own to the food and water dish. If he makes it he will probably have to be on steroids for life to keep it from coming back. On 3/21/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Kelley, I'm so sorry about Joey's prognosis. Anemia is so scary. I did a little research and humans with AIHA use Epogen. Did your vet say whether Epogen would help Joey? :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Joey, an owner surrendered cat I took in last month, has been diagnosed with Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia. I'm really concerned about him. I feel bad because I think I should have noticed something sooner. What information can yall give me about this disease? It is my understanding this disease is more common in FELV+ cats. Thanks, -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
RE: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia - Kelley
Sorry, Kelley - I am re-reading this email so you won't have to answer the questions already answered here - but I need to find out more about the blood work if you have it - glob seems to be very high...his a/g ration must be low - how about his bilburin values? If you have it, can you email it to me? Did they run corona titer test? - I don't mean to scare you but did the vet suggest any possibilities of FIP with Joey? How old is he? Is he less than 2 years old? I wanted to look at the entire blood result if you have it -- is he on FOI? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 4:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia He did a cbc. wbc 21.5, mono 1.85, neu 18.44, hct 15.3, rbc 3.23, hgb 8.5, rdw 22.3, mch 26.36, plt 731, amyl 1743, bun 48, glob 7.5, tp 10.1 He did not do a coombs test. This is s difficult for me, but his is a 10 year old rescue/foster cat with a life-threatening disease. My bill today was $244. I am going to treat him as aggressively as I can, but this could easily cost me $2,000 without the coombs test. He goes back next Monday for another CBC. I cannot spend all my money on this one cat, because if a different one becomes sick after this and I spend all my money on Joey and he dies:( I wont' have any money to treat the cat I could save. He is on 20 mg of prednisolone a day and doxycycline. He fought me hard to get the pills down so maybe he will do better than I fear. His prognosis is guarded:( On 3/21/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How did you confirm the diagnosis? Is it with coombs test? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 2:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia My beautiful Mai Mai had this awful condition. Her vets were wonderful but the steroids took their toll. However, my alternative vet was very helpful and able to get the condition under control for a pretty good length of time. You might investigate this avenue. Mai Mai left this world over 5 years ago and treatments may well have improved. Good luck and blessings to you. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 10:57 AM Subject: Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia I've never had or dealt w/ [that I can remember now anyway.] a cat w/ this disease... But I DO remember when my first Rottie was diagnosed with it.. What had me concerned was his lethargy, not common for him. Just laying around, sleeping alot. So, I took him to my vet. Was devastated when I got results!!! Mind you, I WAS thinking positive, after all, he was my baby. It's a nasty disease.. (Very prevalent for his breed as I learned doing my research) We tried everything as it progressed... PCV's every three days, transfusions, epoeitin [sp?], an oncologist, chemo (THREE diff. prescriptions!), etc., etc. Needless to say, and I'm sorry, but after TOO long, I finally had my boy PTS.. He could no longer walk, even get up. And, the chemo drugs made him so sick. He couldn't even eat on his own, something he LOVED to do!!! I ended up hand-feeding him. He developed ulcerations in his mouth because of all he had to take. It got to the point where I was hand-feeding him a diet of cottage cheese (NOT a great diet for a big boy..) In the end, my former big boy weighed only around 60 lbs. (And I do remember my vet always getting on me about his weight) It broke my heart, but I'm even more heartbroken about all I put him through. I did it for me - I didn't want to lose him. But, after all I put him thru, I did lose him. We humans can be so selfish. After losing Bear [in a HORRIBLE way- treatment was probably worse than the disease!], I made a promise to ALL my babies, I would never let them suffer. Found out, the hard way, that in loving the most important thing is knowing when to let go.. Sorry this wasn't about Feline AIHA, but I just had to share what I know [sadly, only TOO well] about the disease. Best wishes for your baby. Hugs, Patti her gang (Which DOES include another Rottie
RE: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia - Kelley
Again, I am sorry, I asked the same questions you already answered here - I am a bit stressed out with mjy current situations, please forgive me - now he is over 10 years old.. the possibility fo FIP goes down significantly.. now I am thinking does he have severe stomatitis by any chance? My ayumi's PCV is very low, and she is on epogen and it's working on her and she has non regenerative anemia - her glob is high due to stomatitis- is he on epogen already? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 12:05 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia - Kelley Sorry, Kelley - I am re-reading this email so you won't have to answer the questions already answered here - but I need to find out more about the blood work if you have it - glob seems to be very high...his a/g ration must be low - how about his bilburin values? If you have it, can you email it to me? Did they run corona titer test? - I don't mean to scare you but did the vet suggest any possibilities of FIP with Joey? How old is he? Is he less than 2 years old? I wanted to look at the entire blood result if you have it -- is he on FOI? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 4:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia He did a cbc. wbc 21.5, mono 1.85, neu 18.44, hct 15.3, rbc 3.23, hgb 8.5, rdw 22.3, mch 26.36, plt 731, amyl 1743, bun 48, glob 7.5, tp 10.1 He did not do a coombs test. This is s difficult for me, but his is a 10 year old rescue/foster cat with a life-threatening disease. My bill today was $244. I am going to treat him as aggressively as I can, but this could easily cost me $2,000 without the coombs test. He goes back next Monday for another CBC. I cannot spend all my money on this one cat, because if a different one becomes sick after this and I spend all my money on Joey and he dies:( I wont' have any money to treat the cat I could save. He is on 20 mg of prednisolone a day and doxycycline. He fought me hard to get the pills down so maybe he will do better than I fear. His prognosis is guarded:( On 3/21/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How did you confirm the diagnosis? Is it with coombs test? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 2:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia My beautiful Mai Mai had this awful condition. Her vets were wonderful but the steroids took their toll. However, my alternative vet was very helpful and able to get the condition under control for a pretty good length of time. You might investigate this avenue. Mai Mai left this world over 5 years ago and treatments may well have improved. Good luck and blessings to you. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 10:57 AM Subject: Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia I've never had or dealt w/ [that I can remember now anyway.] a cat w/ this disease... But I DO remember when my first Rottie was diagnosed with it.. What had me concerned was his lethargy, not common for him. Just laying around, sleeping alot. So, I took him to my vet. Was devastated when I got results!!! Mind you, I WAS thinking positive, after all, he was my baby. It's a nasty disease.. (Very prevalent for his breed as I learned doing my research) We tried everything as it progressed... PCV's every three days, transfusions, epoeitin [sp?], an oncologist, chemo (THREE diff. prescriptions!), etc., etc. Needless to say, and I'm sorry, but after TOO long, I finally had my boy PTS.. He could no longer walk, even get up. And, the chemo drugs made him so sick. He couldn't even eat on his own, something he LOVED to do!!! I ended up hand-feeding him. He developed ulcerations in his mouth because of all he had to take. It got to the point where I was hand-feeding him a diet of cottage cheese (NOT a great diet for a big boy..) In the end, my former big boy weighed only around 60 lbs. (And I do remember my vet always getting on me about his weight) It broke my heart, but I'm even more heartbroken about all I put him through
Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia
Prednilisone (I think that is the spelling) and doxy. The doxy is in case he has hemobartonella - it is easier to treat for it in case than it is to test for it. He gets 10 mg Pred and 1/4 of a doxy tablet twice a day. On 3/22/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the medication? -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Kelley Saveika *Sent:* Wednesday, March 21, 2007 4:19 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia Thank you Marylyn. He actually seems much better today than he did yesterday, though he only had his medicines about 30 minutes ago. I only know one alternative vet in town and she is a cardiologist. I iwll see if I can find more. On 3/21/07, *Marylyn* [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My beautiful Mai Mai had this awful condition. Her vets were wonderful but the steroids took their toll. However, my alternative vet was very helpful and able to get the condition under control for a pretty good length of time. You might investigate this avenue. Mai Mai left this world over 5 years ago and treatments may well have improved. Good luck and blessings to you. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, March 21, 2007 10:57 AM *Subject:* Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia I've never had or dealt w/ [that I can remember now anyway.] a cat w/ this disease... But I DO remember when my first Rottie was diagnosed with it.. What had me concerned was his lethargy, not common for him. Just laying around, sleeping alot. So, I took him to my vet. Was devastated when I got results!!! Mind you, I WAS thinking positive, after all, he was my baby. It's a nasty disease.. (Very prevalent for his breed as I learned doing my research) We tried everything as it progressed... PCV's every three days, transfusions, epoeitin [sp?], an oncologist, chemo (THREE diff. prescriptions!), etc., etc. Needless to say, and I'm sorry, but after TOO long, I finally had my boy PTS.. He could no longer walk, even get up. And, the chemo drugs made him so sick. He couldn't even eat on his own, something he LOVED to do!!! I ended up hand-feeding him. He developed ulcerations in his mouth because of all he *had* to take. It got to the point where I was hand-feeding him a diet of cottage cheese (NOT a great diet for a big boy..) In the end, my former big boy weighed only around 60 lbs. (And I do remember my vet always getting on me about his weight) It broke my heart, but I'm even more heartbroken about all I put him through. I did it for me - I didn't want to lose him. But, after all I put him thru, I did lose him. We humans can be so selfish. After losing Bear [in a HORRIBLE way- treatment was probably worse than the disease!], I made a promise to ALL my babies, I would never let them suffer. Found out, the hard way, that in loving the most important thing is *knowing* when to let go.. Sorry this wasn't about Feline AIHA, but I just had to share what I know [sadly, only TOO well] about the disease. Best wishes for your baby. Hugs, Patti her gang (Which DOES include another Rottie!) -- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at *AOL.com* http://www.aol.com/?ncid=AOLAOF0002000339. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
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Thanks Wendy, It is VERY scary. I did not ask him about Epogen. I asked him about transfusions. He said that they are no longer recommended becuase those red blood cells get attacked too, but he would do one for me if I wanted. Right now, for a sick cat, Joey is acting pretty good. He grooms a little, and lies on his tummy with his head up, instead of on his side with his head laying on the floor. He is quite feisty with me when I give him his meds, too. He is able to walk on his own to the food and water dish. If he makes it he will probably have to be on steroids for life to keep it from coming back. On 3/21/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Kelley, I'm so sorry about Joey's prognosis. Anemia is so scary. I did a little research and humans with AIHA use Epogen. Did your vet say whether Epogen would help Joey? :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Joey, an owner surrendered cat I took in last month, has been diagnosed with Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia. I'm really concerned about him. I feel bad because I think I should have noticed something sooner. What information can yall give me about this disease? It is my understanding this disease is more common in FELV+ cats. Thanks, -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia
Kelley, Love and prayers from our house to yours. elizabeth On 3/22/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Wendy, It is VERY scary. I did not ask him about Epogen. I asked him about transfusions. He said that they are no longer recommended becuase those red blood cells get attacked too, but he would do one for me if I wanted. Right now, for a sick cat, Joey is acting pretty good. He grooms a little, and lies on his tummy with his head up, instead of on his side with his head laying on the floor. He is quite feisty with me when I give him his meds, too. He is able to walk on his own to the food and water dish. If he makes it he will probably have to be on steroids for life to keep it from coming back. On 3/21/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Kelley, I'm so sorry about Joey's prognosis. Anemia is so scary. I did a little research and humans with AIHA use Epogen. Did your vet say whether Epogen would help Joey? :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Joey, an owner surrendered cat I took in last month, has been diagnosed with Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia. I'm really concerned about him. I feel bad because I think I should have noticed something sooner. What information can yall give me about this disease? It is my understanding this disease is more common in FELV+ cats. Thanks, -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
RE: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia
What is the medication? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 4:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia Thank you Marylyn. He actually seems much better today than he did yesterday, though he only had his medicines about 30 minutes ago. I only know one alternative vet in town and she is a cardiologist. I iwll see if I can find more. On 3/21/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My beautiful Mai Mai had this awful condition. Her vets were wonderful but the steroids took their toll. However, my alternative vet was very helpful and able to get the condition under control for a pretty good length of time. You might investigate this avenue. Mai Mai left this world over 5 years ago and treatments may well have improved. Good luck and blessings to you. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 10:57 AM Subject: Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia I've never had or dealt w/ [that I can remember now anyway.] a cat w/ this disease... But I DO remember when my first Rottie was diagnosed with it.. What had me concerned was his lethargy, not common for him. Just laying around, sleeping alot. So, I took him to my vet. Was devastated when I got results!!! Mind you, I WAS thinking positive, after all, he was my baby. It's a nasty disease.. (Very prevalent for his breed as I learned doing my research) We tried everything as it progressed... PCV's every three days, transfusions, epoeitin [sp?], an oncologist, chemo (THREE diff. prescriptions!), etc., etc. Needless to say, and I'm sorry, but after TOO long, I finally had my boy PTS.. He could no longer walk, even get up. And, the chemo drugs made him so sick. He couldn't even eat on his own, something he LOVED to do!!! I ended up hand-feeding him. He developed ulcerations in his mouth because of all he had to take. It got to the point where I was hand-feeding him a diet of cottage cheese (NOT a great diet for a big boy..) In the end, my former big boy weighed only around 60 lbs. (And I do remember my vet always getting on me about his weight) It broke my heart, but I'm even more heartbroken about all I put him through. I did it for me - I didn't want to lose him. But, after all I put him thru, I did lose him. We humans can be so selfish. After losing Bear [in a HORRIBLE way- treatment was probably worse than the disease!], I made a promise to ALL my babies, I would never let them suffer. Found out, the hard way, that in loving the most important thing is knowing when to let go.. Sorry this wasn't about Feline AIHA, but I just had to share what I know [sadly, only TOO well] about the disease. Best wishes for your baby. Hugs, Patti her gang (Which DOES include another Rottie!) _ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com http://www.aol.com/?ncid=AOLAOF0002000339 . -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
RE: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia
There is a liquid form of doxy - which is easier to give him than pills. How did they diagnosis AIHA for him? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 4:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia He did a cbc. wbc 21.5, mono 1.85, neu 18.44, hct 15.3, rbc 3.23, hgb 8.5, rdw 22.3, mch 26.36, plt 731, amyl 1743, bun 48, glob 7.5, tp 10.1 He did not do a coombs test. This is s difficult for me, but his is a 10 year old rescue/foster cat with a life-threatening disease. My bill today was $244. I am going to treat him as aggressively as I can, but this could easily cost me $2,000 without the coombs test. He goes back next Monday for another CBC. I cannot spend all my money on this one cat, because if a different one becomes sick after this and I spend all my money on Joey and he dies:( I wont' have any money to treat the cat I could save. He is on 20 mg of prednisolone a day and doxycycline. He fought me hard to get the pills down so maybe he will do better than I fear. His prognosis is guarded:( On 3/21/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How did you confirm the diagnosis? Is it with coombs test? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 2:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia My beautiful Mai Mai had this awful condition. Her vets were wonderful but the steroids took their toll. However, my alternative vet was very helpful and able to get the condition under control for a pretty good length of time. You might investigate this avenue. Mai Mai left this world over 5 years ago and treatments may well have improved. Good luck and blessings to you. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 10:57 AM Subject: Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia I've never had or dealt w/ [that I can remember now anyway.] a cat w/ this disease... But I DO remember when my first Rottie was diagnosed with it.. What had me concerned was his lethargy, not common for him. Just laying around, sleeping alot. So, I took him to my vet. Was devastated when I got results!!! Mind you, I WAS thinking positive, after all, he was my baby. It's a nasty disease.. (Very prevalent for his breed as I learned doing my research) We tried everything as it progressed... PCV's every three days, transfusions, epoeitin [sp?], an oncologist, chemo (THREE diff. prescriptions!), etc., etc. Needless to say, and I'm sorry, but after TOO long, I finally had my boy PTS.. He could no longer walk, even get up. And, the chemo drugs made him so sick. He couldn't even eat on his own, something he LOVED to do!!! I ended up hand-feeding him. He developed ulcerations in his mouth because of all he had to take. It got to the point where I was hand-feeding him a diet of cottage cheese (NOT a great diet for a big boy..) In the end, my former big boy weighed only around 60 lbs. (And I do remember my vet always getting on me about his weight) It broke my heart, but I'm even more heartbroken about all I put him through. I did it for me - I didn't want to lose him. But, after all I put him thru, I did lose him. We humans can be so selfish. After losing Bear [in a HORRIBLE way- treatment was probably worse than the disease!], I made a promise to ALL my babies, I would never let them suffer. Found out, the hard way, that in loving the most important thing is knowing when to let go.. Sorry this wasn't about Feline AIHA, but I just had to share what I know [sadly, only TOO well] about the disease. Best wishes for your baby. Hugs, Patti her gang (Which DOES include another Rottie!) _ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com http://www.aol.com/?ncid=AOLAOF0002000339 . -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
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At 09:53 PM 3/22/2007, you wrote: When my dog was diagnosed they did not do a combs,,,there are places to get the meds cheaper when it becomes necessary, My dog lived a year, but part of that was because dogs do not do as well on the steroids as cats do and she developed thrombocytopenia which means even if the hgb and hct were rising the platelets dropped which caused bleeding or could lead to other conditions like DIC,,,she also had two bad knees and we so wanted to get her healthy enough for surgery, but what finally got her was the last blood test ,,,the leg became infected within hours, i cannot blame the techs, she had no veins left and the VERY high doses of steroids ,,much stronger than just pred, really destroyed her immune system. but as I mentioned, cats seem to fare so much better, I had a cat with pemphigus and was on Doxy and pred and made a complete recovery!! All the very very best.. Kelly Lane There is a liquid form of doxy which is easier to give him than pills. How did they diagnosis AIHA for him? -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 4:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia He did a cbc. wbc 21.5, mono 1.85, neu 18.44, hct 15.3, rbc 3.23, hgb 8.5, rdw 22.3, mch 26.36, plt 731, amyl 1743, bun 48, glob 7.5, tp 10.1 He did not do a coombs test. This is s difficult for me, but his is a 10 year old rescue/foster cat with a life-threatening disease. My bill today was $244. I am going to treat him as aggressively as I can, but this could easily cost me $2,000 without the coombs test. He goes back next Monday for another CBC. I cannot spend all my money on this one cat, because if a different one becomes sick after this and I spend all my money on Joey and he dies:( I wont' have any money to treat the cat I could save. He is on 20 mg of prednisolone a day and doxycycline. He fought me hard to get the pills down so maybe he will do better than I fear. His prognosis is guarded:( On 3/21/07, Hideyo Yamamoto mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How did you confirm the diagnosis? Is it with coombs test? -- From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 2:48 PM To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia My beautiful Mai Mai had this awful condition. Her vets were wonderful but the steroids took their toll. However, my alternative vet was very helpful and able to get the condition under control for a pretty good length of time. You might investigate this avenue. Mai Mai left this world over 5 years ago and treatments may well have improved. Good luck and blessings to you. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 10:57 AM Subject: Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia I've never had or dealt w/ [that I can remember now anyway.] a cat w/ this disease... But I DO remember when my first Rottie was diagnosed with it.. What had me concerned was his lethargy, not common for him. Just laying around, sleeping alot. So, I took him to my vet. Was devastated when I got results!!! Mind you, I WAS thinking positive, after all, he was my baby. It's a nasty disease.. (Very prevalent for his breed as I learned doing my research) We tried everything as it progressed... PCV's every three days, transfusions, epoeitin [sp?], an oncologist, chemo (THREE diff. prescriptions!), etc., etc. Needless to say, and I'm sorry, but after TOO long, I finally had my boy PTS.. He could no longer walk, even get up. And, the chemo drugs made him so sick. He couldn't even eat on his own, something he LOVED to do!!! I ended up hand-feeding him. He developed ulcerations in his mouth because of all he had to take. It got to the point where I was hand-feeding him a diet of cottage cheese (NOT a great diet for a big boy..) In the end, my former big boy weighed only around 60 lbs. (And I do remember my vet always getting on me about his weight) It broke my heart, but I'm even more heartbroken about all I put him through. I did it for me - I didn't want to lose him. But, after all I put him thru, I did lose him. We humans can be so selfish. After losing Bear [in a HORRIBLE way- treatment was probably worse than the disease!], I made a promise to ALL my babies, I would never let them suffer. Found out, the hard way, that in loving the most important
Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia
Hi all, Joey, an owner surrendered cat I took in last month, has been diagnosed with Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia. I'm really concerned about him. I feel bad because I think I should have noticed something sooner. What information can yall give me about this disease? It is my understanding this disease is more common in FELV+ cats. Thanks, -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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I've never had or dealt w/ [that I can remember now anyway.] a cat w/ this disease... But I DO remember when my first Rottie was diagnosed with it.. What had me concerned was his lethargy, not common for him. Just laying around, sleeping alot. So, I took him to my vet. Was devastated when I got results!!! Mind you, I WAS thinking positive, after all, he was my baby. It's a nasty disease.. (Very prevalent for his breed as I learned doing my research) We tried everything as it progressed... PCV's every three days, transfusions, epoeitin [sp?], an oncologist, chemo (THREE diff. prescriptions!), etc., etc. Needless to say, and I'm sorry, but after TOO long, I finally had my boy PTS.. He could no longer walk, even get up. And, the chemo drugs made him so sick. He couldn't even eat on his own, something he LOVED to do!!! I ended up hand-feeding him. He developed ulcerations in his mouth because of all he had to take. It got to the point where I was hand-feeding him a diet of cottage cheese (NOT a great diet for a big boy..) In the end, my former big boy weighed only around 60 lbs. (And I do remember my vet always getting on me about his weight) It broke my heart, but I'm even more heartbroken about all I put him through. I did it for me - I didn't want to lose him. But, after all I put him thru, I did lose him. We humans can be so selfish. After losing Bear [in a HORRIBLE way- treatment was probably worse than the disease!], I made a promise to ALL my babies, I would never let them suffer. Found out, the hard way, that in loving the most important thing is knowing when to let go.. Sorry this wasn't about Feline AIHA, but I just had to share what I know [sadly, only TOO well] about the disease. Best wishes for your baby. Hugs, Patti her gang (Which DOES include another Rottie!) ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
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Well, He was lethargic, but there are so many reasons for that. Particularly with an elder owner surrendered cat. He was fine at first but went downhill. That's common thoughcould be URI, I was afraid of fatty liver..but I took him to the vet. If I had known him well, I expect I would have taken him sooner. If he is not feeling well soon I expect I can make the decision to euthanize him. Right now he can walk around, eat and drink on his own, though. I think he would like to try to fight. On 3/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've never had or dealt w/ [that I can remember now anyway.] a cat w/ this disease... But I DO remember when my first Rottie was diagnosed with it.. What had me concerned was his lethargy, not common for him. Just laying around, sleeping alot. So, I took him to my vet. Was devastated when I got results!!! Mind you, I WAS thinking positive, after all, he was my baby. It's a nasty disease.. (Very prevalent for his breed as I learned doing my research) We tried everything as it progressed... PCV's every three days, transfusions, epoeitin [sp?], an oncologist, chemo (THREE diff. prescriptions!), etc., etc. Needless to say, and I'm sorry, but after TOO long, I finally had my boy PTS.. He could no longer walk, even get up. And, the chemo drugs made him so sick. He couldn't even eat on his own, something he LOVED to do!!! I ended up hand-feeding him. He developed ulcerations in his mouth because of all he *had* to take. It got to the point where I was hand-feeding him a diet of cottage cheese (NOT a great diet for a big boy..) In the end, my former big boy weighed only around 60 lbs. (And I do remember my vet always getting on me about his weight) It broke my heart, but I'm even more heartbroken about all I put him through. I did it for me - I didn't want to lose him. But, after all I put him thru, I did lose him. We humans can be so selfish. After losing Bear [in a HORRIBLE way- treatment was probably worse than the disease!], I made a promise to ALL my babies, I would never let them suffer. Found out, the hard way, that in loving the most important thing is *knowing* when to let go.. Sorry this wasn't about Feline AIHA, but I just had to share what I know [sadly, only TOO well] about the disease. Best wishes for your baby. Hugs, Patti her gang (Which DOES include another Rottie!) -- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at *AOL.com* http://www.aol.com/?ncid=AOLAOF0002000339. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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At 07:34 AM 3/21/2007, you wrote: Very serious. I lost my dog to it, Should rrespont to HIGH doses of Steroids, Not just the pred type, may have a better outcome for a cat as they tolerate steroids better than dogs, Needs GOOD vet treatment plans, Hi all, Joey, an owner surrendered cat I took in last month, has been diagnosed with Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia. I'm really concerned about him. I feel bad because I think I should have noticed something sooner. What information can yall give me about this disease? It is my understanding this disease is more common in FELV+ cats. Thanks, -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.orghttp://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.13/726 - Release Date: 3/18/2007
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OhPlease don't blame yourself for anything!!! And, an elderly Owner Surrender, boy, I've had MORE than my share of them (One of which is my Puma, now ancient, but was approx. 12 when turned into a kill shelter! And, due to his age, they were going to euthanize, I should say gas him right away The joys of rescue) Know that my prayers are w/ you your boy.. I pray for only the best Hugs, Patti her gang ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
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I always blame myself..dont' we always? If I had noticied something sooner, maybe he'd have a better chance..how many times I have said that... On 3/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OhPlease don't blame yourself for anything!!! And, an elderly Owner Surrender, boy, I've had MORE than my share of them (One of which is my Puma, now ancient, but was approx. 12 when turned into a kill shelter! And, due to his age, they were going to euthanize, I should say *gas* him right away The joys of rescue) Know that my prayers are w/ you your boy.. I pray for only the best Hugs, Patti her gang -- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at *AOL.com* http://www.aol.com/?ncid=AOLAOF0002000339. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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if you had been able to notice something sooner, you would have. we do the best we can with the information at hand. now you know, and can act--there's not a damned thing you can do to change anything that's gone before, except waste time and energy that joey and the others need.. maybe part of the reason joey came to YOU, and not to anyone else, was to teach a GOOD, conscientious rescuer, what this particular condition can look like. so that you WILL know it next time, and so that the two of you can teach the rest of us. On 3/21/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always blame myself..dont' we always? If I had noticied something sooner, maybe he'd have a better chance..how many times I have said that... On 3/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OhPlease don't blame yourself for anything!!! And, an elderly Owner Surrender, boy, I've had MORE than my share of them (One of which is my Puma, now ancient, but was approx. 12 when turned into a kill shelter! And, due to his age, they were going to euthanize, I should say *gas* him right away The joys of rescue) Know that my prayers are w/ you your boy.. I pray for only the best Hugs, Patti her gang -- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at *AOL.com* http://www.aol.com/?ncid=AOLAOF0002000339. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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Here's are some pretty good articles about it: http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=AS=0C=0A=1390 http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_imha.html *the two articles above are very similar in information* http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/60205.htm -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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My beautiful Mai Mai had this awful condition. Her vets were wonderful but the steroids took their toll. However, my alternative vet was very helpful and able to get the condition under control for a pretty good length of time. You might investigate this avenue. Mai Mai left this world over 5 years ago and treatments may well have improved. Good luck and blessings to you. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 10:57 AM Subject: Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia I've never had or dealt w/ [that I can remember now anyway.] a cat w/ this disease... But I DO remember when my first Rottie was diagnosed with it.. What had me concerned was his lethargy, not common for him. Just laying around, sleeping alot. So, I took him to my vet. Was devastated when I got results!!! Mind you, I WAS thinking positive, after all, he was my baby. It's a nasty disease.. (Very prevalent for his breed as I learned doing my research) We tried everything as it progressed... PCV's every three days, transfusions, epoeitin [sp?], an oncologist, chemo (THREE diff. prescriptions!), etc., etc. Needless to say, and I'm sorry, but after TOO long, I finally had my boy PTS.. He could no longer walk, even get up. And, the chemo drugs made him so sick. He couldn't even eat on his own, something he LOVED to do!!! I ended up hand-feeding him. He developed ulcerations in his mouth because of all he had to take. It got to the point where I was hand-feeding him a diet of cottage cheese (NOT a great diet for a big boy..) In the end, my former big boy weighed only around 60 lbs. (And I do remember my vet always getting on me about his weight) It broke my heart, but I'm even more heartbroken about all I put him through. I did it for me - I didn't want to lose him. But, after all I put him thru, I did lose him. We humans can be so selfish. After losing Bear [in a HORRIBLE way- treatment was probably worse than the disease!], I made a promise to ALL my babies, I would never let them suffer. Found out, the hard way, that in loving the most important thing is knowing when to let go.. Sorry this wasn't about Feline AIHA, but I just had to share what I know [sadly, only TOO well] about the disease. Best wishes for your baby. Hugs, Patti her gang (Which DOES include another Rottie!) -- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
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How did you confirm the diagnosis? Is it with coombs test? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 2:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia My beautiful Mai Mai had this awful condition. Her vets were wonderful but the steroids took their toll. However, my alternative vet was very helpful and able to get the condition under control for a pretty good length of time. You might investigate this avenue. Mai Mai left this world over 5 years ago and treatments may well have improved. Good luck and blessings to you. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 10:57 AM Subject: Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia I've never had or dealt w/ [that I can remember now anyway.] a cat w/ this disease... But I DO remember when my first Rottie was diagnosed with it.. What had me concerned was his lethargy, not common for him. Just laying around, sleeping alot. So, I took him to my vet. Was devastated when I got results!!! Mind you, I WAS thinking positive, after all, he was my baby. It's a nasty disease.. (Very prevalent for his breed as I learned doing my research) We tried everything as it progressed... PCV's every three days, transfusions, epoeitin [sp?], an oncologist, chemo (THREE diff. prescriptions!), etc., etc. Needless to say, and I'm sorry, but after TOO long, I finally had my boy PTS.. He could no longer walk, even get up. And, the chemo drugs made him so sick. He couldn't even eat on his own, something he LOVED to do!!! I ended up hand-feeding him. He developed ulcerations in his mouth because of all he had to take. It got to the point where I was hand-feeding him a diet of cottage cheese (NOT a great diet for a big boy..) In the end, my former big boy weighed only around 60 lbs. (And I do remember my vet always getting on me about his weight) It broke my heart, but I'm even more heartbroken about all I put him through. I did it for me - I didn't want to lose him. But, after all I put him thru, I did lose him. We humans can be so selfish. After losing Bear [in a HORRIBLE way- treatment was probably worse than the disease!], I made a promise to ALL my babies, I would never let them suffer. Found out, the hard way, that in loving the most important thing is knowing when to let go.. Sorry this wasn't about Feline AIHA, but I just had to share what I know [sadly, only TOO well] about the disease. Best wishes for your baby. Hugs, Patti her gang (Which DOES include another Rottie!) http://cdn-cf.aol.com/se/clip_art/gstres/anmls/cat _ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000339 .
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He did a cbc. wbc 21.5, mono 1.85, neu 18.44, hct 15.3, rbc 3.23, hgb 8.5, rdw 22.3, mch 26.36, plt 731, amyl 1743, bun 48, glob 7.5, tp 10.1 He did not do a coombs test. This is s difficult for me, but his is a 10 year old rescue/foster cat with a life-threatening disease. My bill today was $244. I am going to treat him as aggressively as I can, but this could easily cost me $2,000 without the coombs test. He goes back next Monday for another CBC. I cannot spend all my money on this one cat, because if a different one becomes sick after this and I spend all my money on Joey and he dies:( I wont' have any money to treat the cat I could save. He is on 20 mg of prednisolone a day and doxycycline. He fought me hard to get the pills down so maybe he will do better than I fear. His prognosis is guarded:( On 3/21/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How did you confirm the diagnosis? Is it with coombs test? -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Marylyn *Sent:* Wednesday, March 21, 2007 2:48 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia My beautiful Mai Mai had this awful condition. Her vets were wonderful but the steroids took their toll. However, my alternative vet was very helpful and able to get the condition under control for a pretty good length of time. You might investigate this avenue. Mai Mai left this world over 5 years ago and treatments may well have improved. Good luck and blessings to you. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, March 21, 2007 10:57 AM *Subject:* Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia I've never had or dealt w/ [that I can remember now anyway.] a cat w/ this disease... But I DO remember when my first Rottie was diagnosed with it.. What had me concerned was his lethargy, not common for him. Just laying around, sleeping alot. So, I took him to my vet. Was devastated when I got results!!! Mind you, I WAS thinking positive, after all, he was my baby. It's a nasty disease.. (Very prevalent for his breed as I learned doing my research) We tried everything as it progressed... PCV's every three days, transfusions, epoeitin [sp?], an oncologist, chemo (THREE diff. prescriptions!), etc., etc. Needless to say, and I'm sorry, but after TOO long, I finally had my boy PTS.. He could no longer walk, even get up. And, the chemo drugs made him so sick. He couldn't even eat on his own, something he LOVED to do!!! I ended up hand-feeding him. He developed ulcerations in his mouth because of all he *had* to take. It got to the point where I was hand-feeding him a diet of cottage cheese (NOT a great diet for a big boy..) In the end, my former big boy weighed only around 60 lbs. (And I do remember my vet always getting on me about his weight) It broke my heart, but I'm even more heartbroken about all I put him through. I did it for me - I didn't want to lose him. But, after all I put him thru, I did lose him. We humans can be so selfish. After losing Bear [in a HORRIBLE way- treatment was probably worse than the disease!], I made a promise to ALL my babies, I would never let them suffer. Found out, the hard way, that in loving the most important thing is *knowing* when to let go.. Sorry this wasn't about Feline AIHA, but I just had to share what I know [sadly, only TOO well] about the disease. Best wishes for your baby. Hugs, Patti her gang (Which DOES include another Rottie!) -- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at *AOL.com* http://www.aol.com/?ncid=AOLAOF0002000339. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://rescuties.chipin.com/joey-autoimmune-hemolytic-anemia
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It has been so long I really don't remember. I am very sure it was whatever the best available at the time was. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 3:48 PM Subject: RE: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia How did you confirm the diagnosis? Is it with coombs test? -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 2:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia My beautiful Mai Mai had this awful condition. Her vets were wonderful but the steroids took their toll. However, my alternative vet was very helpful and able to get the condition under control for a pretty good length of time. You might investigate this avenue. Mai Mai left this world over 5 years ago and treatments may well have improved. Good luck and blessings to you. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 10:57 AM Subject: Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia I've never had or dealt w/ [that I can remember now anyway.] a cat w/ this disease... But I DO remember when my first Rottie was diagnosed with it.. What had me concerned was his lethargy, not common for him. Just laying around, sleeping alot. So, I took him to my vet. Was devastated when I got results!!! Mind you, I WAS thinking positive, after all, he was my baby. It's a nasty disease.. (Very prevalent for his breed as I learned doing my research) We tried everything as it progressed... PCV's every three days, transfusions, epoeitin [sp?], an oncologist, chemo (THREE diff. prescriptions!), etc., etc. Needless to say, and I'm sorry, but after TOO long, I finally had my boy PTS.. He could no longer walk, even get up. And, the chemo drugs made him so sick. He couldn't even eat on his own, something he LOVED to do!!! I ended up hand-feeding him. He developed ulcerations in his mouth because of all he had to take. It got to the point where I was hand-feeding him a diet of cottage cheese (NOT a great diet for a big boy..) In the end, my former big boy weighed only around 60 lbs. (And I do remember my vet always getting on me about his weight) It broke my heart, but I'm even more heartbroken about all I put him through. I did it for me - I didn't want to lose him. But, after all I put him thru, I did lose him. We humans can be so selfish. After losing Bear [in a HORRIBLE way- treatment was probably worse than the disease!], I made a promise to ALL my babies, I would never let them suffer. Found out, the hard way, that in loving the most important thing is knowing when to let go.. Sorry this wasn't about Feline AIHA, but I just had to share what I know [sadly, only TOO well] about the disease. Best wishes for your baby. Hugs, Patti her gang (Which DOES include another Rottie!) AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
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Thank you Marylyn. He actually seems much better today than he did yesterday, though he only had his medicines about 30 minutes ago. I only know one alternative vet in town and she is a cardiologist. I iwll see if I can find more. On 3/21/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My beautiful Mai Mai had this awful condition. Her vets were wonderful but the steroids took their toll. However, my alternative vet was very helpful and able to get the condition under control for a pretty good length of time. You might investigate this avenue. Mai Mai left this world over 5 years ago and treatments may well have improved. Good luck and blessings to you. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, March 21, 2007 10:57 AM *Subject:* Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia I've never had or dealt w/ [that I can remember now anyway.] a cat w/ this disease... But I DO remember when my first Rottie was diagnosed with it.. What had me concerned was his lethargy, not common for him. Just laying around, sleeping alot. So, I took him to my vet. Was devastated when I got results!!! Mind you, I WAS thinking positive, after all, he was my baby. It's a nasty disease.. (Very prevalent for his breed as I learned doing my research) We tried everything as it progressed... PCV's every three days, transfusions, epoeitin [sp?], an oncologist, chemo (THREE diff. prescriptions!), etc., etc. Needless to say, and I'm sorry, but after TOO long, I finally had my boy PTS.. He could no longer walk, even get up. And, the chemo drugs made him so sick. He couldn't even eat on his own, something he LOVED to do!!! I ended up hand-feeding him. He developed ulcerations in his mouth because of all he *had* to take. It got to the point where I was hand-feeding him a diet of cottage cheese (NOT a great diet for a big boy..) In the end, my former big boy weighed only around 60 lbs. (And I do remember my vet always getting on me about his weight) It broke my heart, but I'm even more heartbroken about all I put him through. I did it for me - I didn't want to lose him. But, after all I put him thru, I did lose him. We humans can be so selfish. After losing Bear [in a HORRIBLE way- treatment was probably worse than the disease!], I made a promise to ALL my babies, I would never let them suffer. Found out, the hard way, that in loving the most important thing is *knowing* when to let go.. Sorry this wasn't about Feline AIHA, but I just had to share what I know [sadly, only TOO well] about the disease. Best wishes for your baby. Hugs, Patti her gang (Which DOES include another Rottie!) -- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at *AOL.com* http://www.aol.com/?ncid=AOLAOF0002000339. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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I did find an AC who does pro bono work for rescues to let me know what he wants to do if a decision becomes necessary. On 3/21/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Marylyn. He actually seems much better today than he did yesterday, though he only had his medicines about 30 minutes ago. I only know one alternative vet in town and she is a cardiologist. I iwll see if I can find more. On 3/21/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My beautiful Mai Mai had this awful condition. Her vets were wonderful but the steroids took their toll. However, my alternative vet was very helpful and able to get the condition under control for a pretty good length of time. You might investigate this avenue. Mai Mai left this world over 5 years ago and treatments may well have improved. Good luck and blessings to you. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, March 21, 2007 10:57 AM *Subject:* Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia I've never had or dealt w/ [that I can remember now anyway.] a cat w/ this disease... But I DO remember when my first Rottie was diagnosed with it.. What had me concerned was his lethargy, not common for him. Just laying around, sleeping alot. So, I took him to my vet. Was devastated when I got results!!! Mind you, I WAS thinking positive, after all, he was my baby. It's a nasty disease.. (Very prevalent for his breed as I learned doing my research) We tried everything as it progressed... PCV's every three days, transfusions, epoeitin [sp?], an oncologist, chemo (THREE diff. prescriptions!), etc., etc. Needless to say, and I'm sorry, but after TOO long, I finally had my boy PTS.. He could no longer walk, even get up. And, the chemo drugs made him so sick. He couldn't even eat on his own, something he LOVED to do!!! I ended up hand-feeding him. He developed ulcerations in his mouth because of all he *had* to take. It got to the point where I was hand-feeding him a diet of cottage cheese (NOT a great diet for a big boy..) In the end, my former big boy weighed only around 60 lbs. (And I do remember my vet always getting on me about his weight) It broke my heart, but I'm even more heartbroken about all I put him through. I did it for me - I didn't want to lose him. But, after all I put him thru, I did lose him. We humans can be so selfish. After losing Bear [in a HORRIBLE way- treatment was probably worse than the disease!], I made a promise to ALL my babies, I would never let them suffer. Found out, the hard way, that in loving the most important thing is *knowing* when to let go.. Sorry this wasn't about Feline AIHA, but I just had to share what I know [sadly, only TOO well] about the disease. Best wishes for your baby. Hugs, Patti her gang (Which DOES include another Rottie!) -- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at *AOL.com* http://www.aol.com/?ncid=AOLAOF0002000339. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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Kelley Here is an excellent article on AIHA. It's written for dogs but it can probably be applied to cats as well. It's got a lot of information. I'll see what else I can find too. Pam Kelley Saveika wrote: Hi all, Joey, an owner surrendered cat I took in last month, has been diagnosed with Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia. I'm really concerned about him. I feel bad because I think I should have noticed something sooner. What information can yall give me about this disease? It is my understanding this disease is more common in FELV+ cats. Thanks, -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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The AC may be able to tell you what the little darling thinks would help--med wise, food wise etc. It is amazing what critters know about their own health. Dixie Louise had been spayed (she was a throw away with no visible scar). She maintained, repeatedly and loudly, with several ACs I know that she had been to the vet's before and didn't like it at all and -well, the long and short of it was that I insisted on a hormone test. My vet thought I was nuts to spend that kind of money on a cat he just knew needed to be spayed. I would have loved a picture of his face when he called and said Dixie was either a male or a spayed female. Have the AC talk to your little friend now. You may be surprised. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 5:20 PM Subject: Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia I did find an AC who does pro bono work for rescues to let me know what he wants to do if a decision becomes necessary. On 3/21/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Marylyn. He actually seems much better today than he did yesterday, though he only had his medicines about 30 minutes ago. I only know one alternative vet in town and she is a cardiologist. I iwll see if I can find more. On 3/21/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My beautiful Mai Mai had this awful condition. Her vets were wonderful but the steroids took their toll. However, my alternative vet was very helpful and able to get the condition under control for a pretty good length of time. You might investigate this avenue. Mai Mai left this world over 5 years ago and treatments may well have improved. Good luck and blessings to you. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 10:57 AM Subject: Re: Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia I've never had or dealt w/ [that I can remember now anyway.] a cat w/ this disease... But I DO remember when my first Rottie was diagnosed with it.. What had me concerned was his lethargy, not common for him. Just laying around, sleeping alot. So, I took him to my vet. Was devastated when I got results!!! Mind you, I WAS thinking positive, after all, he was my baby. It's a nasty disease.. (Very prevalent for his breed as I learned doing my research) We tried everything as it progressed... PCV's every three days, transfusions, epoeitin [sp?], an oncologist, chemo (THREE diff. prescriptions!), etc., etc. Needless to say, and I'm sorry, but after TOO long, I finally had my boy PTS.. He could no longer walk, even get up. And, the chemo drugs made him so sick. He couldn't even eat on his own, something he LOVED to do!!! I ended up hand-feeding him. He developed ulcerations in his mouth because of all he had to take. It got to the point where I was hand-feeding him a diet of cottage cheese (NOT a great diet for a big boy..) In the end, my former big boy weighed only around 60 lbs. (And I do remember my vet always getting on me about his weight) It broke my heart, but I'm even more heartbroken about all I put him through. I did it for me - I didn't want to lose him. But, after all I put him thru, I did lose him. We humans can be so selfish. After losing Bear [in a HORRIBLE way- treatment was probably worse than the disease!], I made a promise to ALL my babies, I would never let them suffer. Found out, the hard way, that in loving the most important thing is knowing when to let go.. Sorry this wasn't about Feline AIHA, but I just had to share what I know [sadly, only TOO well] about the disease. Best wishes for your baby. Hugs, Patti her gang (Which DOES include another Rottie!) AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL
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Here's some more links: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/9352/alphalinks.html http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proceedings.plx?CID=WSAVA2002PID=2599 Pam Kelley Saveika wrote: Hi all, Joey, an owner surrendered cat I took in last month, has been diagnosed with Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia. I'm really concerned about him. I feel bad because I think I should have noticed something sooner. What information can yall give me about this disease? It is my understanding this disease is more common in FELV+ cats. Thanks, -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
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Hi Kelley, I'm so sorry about Joey's prognosis. Anemia is so scary. I did a little research and humans with AIHA use Epogen. Did your vet say whether Epogen would help Joey? :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Joey, an owner surrendered cat I took in last month, has been diagnosed with Auto Immune Hemolytic Anemia. I'm really concerned about him. I feel bad because I think I should have noticed something sooner. What information can yall give me about this disease? It is my understanding this disease is more common in FELV+ cats. Thanks, -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather
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In a message dated 3/21/07 10:41:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did your vet say whether Epogen would help Joey? My Bear (RIP) was on epogen (among WAY other Rx's). At first it did boost his PCV but AHIA is a NASTY disease, and that's putting it mildly.. Despite all his meds, nothing helped... :( Patti her gang ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
