Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp
There is no problem with the recommended change. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto Sent: May-13-18 1:44 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp Hi Amani and everyone else who’s been helping me with this post - I shared the recommended drug protocol with a friend of mine who isn’t a vet but has worked for years in animal rescue and has also worked at both the local Humane Society and the local county shelter. She also attends a lot of vet conferences. She sent me the following... If your vet is willing to prescribe this regimen, I'd give it a try with one CRITICAL CHANGE. NEVER use doxycycline tablets/capsules with cats as doxy can cause esophageal strictures. You can get compounded doxycycline is 50 mg/ml, so dose would be 0.4 - 0.5 ml twice a day. Do you foresee any issues with using the Doxy in liquid format? I also wanted to get the Prednisolone in liquid as Flaqui is very difficult to pill. Thanks Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi On May 10, 2018, at 11:02 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: Thank you Sandy. You saved me from repeating what I have posted so very often now. Mirabel, regarding the Aranesp, it is a product which mimics the effects of erythropoietin. I do not believe it will assist because erythropoietin tells the bone marrow to produce more red cells. With FeLV, it infects the cells in the bone marrow which produce all three cell lines (red cells, white cells, platelets). The cells are taken over and destroyed by the virus, which means that the bone marrow can no longer produce red cells, white cells and/or platelets. The erythropoietin or Aranesp is speaking to these cells and telling them to churn out more red cells, but the bone marrow cells can no longer do that. My experience with the Winstrol is that after my cat had the very worst results (HAEMATOCRIT OF FIVE!!!, ZERO % RETICULOCYTES, etc.) and AFTER I had given him several bouts of blood transfusions, the Winstrol turned back on the bone marrow and he began producing red cells, white cells and platelets again. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy Sent: May-10-18 8:48 PM To: Maribel Piloto; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp This is long because I just copied this whole conversation - but your answer lies in this combination of drugs - make no mistake this will work if your vet will give it a try - there is nothing to lose - BUT you and the vet need to act immediately. - good luck. You will probably get more responses - Sandy W Winstrol – 1 mg twice a day Doxycycline – 1/5 to ¼ tablet (100 mg) twice a day Prednisolone – ½ 5 mg tablet, twice a day If there are problems with the intestines (vomiting, constipation, slow moving stools, stools of large diameters, all of which might be indicative of the effect of the virus on the intestines) you can try adding ¼ tablet of apometocloprimide. If the haematocrit level is REALLY REALLY low – like below 5-8, you might consider starting the Winstrol at 2 mg twice a day for a week, to try and kickstart things quickly, but given that there is going to be a likely increase in liver enzymes with the use of Winstrol, recognize that this might also increase the liver enzymes faster. Hope this helps! Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gary Sent: January-27-17 4:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV Amani, Could you please give the dosages used for Zander's Protocol? I know they must have been previously given, but I cannot seem to find them. Thanks, Gary On 9/16/2016 8:52 AM, Amani Oakley wrote: Hi Sherri I hope you got some good news today. However, as you know, my experience is that the Winstrol needs to be used long term before the red cells are back into the normal range. I continue to recommend use of the Doxycyline to interfere with viral RNA synthesis. The Winstrol does not attack the virus, though I believe it makes the cat stronger overall and able to fight back. But at the outset of the treatment regime, I believe you must have the Doxycycline on board to try and reduce the viral load, or at least, keep it from rising. Amani ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Hi Liz The only thing that works to turn back on red cell production is Winstrol (Stanazolol). It is an ANABOLIC steroid (as opposed to most steroids we are used to getting, li
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp
Hi Amani and everyone else who’s been helping me with this post - I shared the recommended drug protocol with a friend of mine who isn’t a vet but has worked for years in animal rescue and has also worked at both the local Humane Society and the local county shelter. She also attends a lot of vet conferences. She sent me the following... > If your vet is willing to prescribe this regimen, I'd give it a try with one > CRITICAL CHANGE. NEVER use doxycycline tablets/capsules with cats as doxy > can cause esophageal strictures. You can get compounded doxycycline is 50 > mg/ml, so dose would be 0.4 - 0.5 ml twice a day. Do you foresee any issues with using the Doxy in liquid format? I also wanted to get the Prednisolone in liquid as Flaqui is very difficult to pill. Thanks Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi > On May 10, 2018, at 11:02 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote: > > Thank you Sandy. You saved me from repeating what I have posted so very often > now. > > Mirabel, regarding the Aranesp, it is a product which mimics the effects of > erythropoietin. I do not believe it will assist because erythropoietin tells > the bone marrow to produce more red cells. With FeLV, it infects the cells in > the bone marrow which produce all three cell lines (red cells, white cells, > platelets). The cells are taken over and destroyed by the virus, which means > that the bone marrow can no longer produce red cells, white cells and/or > platelets. The erythropoietin or Aranesp is speaking to these cells and > telling them to churn out more red cells, but the bone marrow cells can no > longer do that. My experience with the Winstrol is that after my cat had the > very worst results (HAEMATOCRIT OF FIVE!!!, ZERO % RETICULOCYTES, etc.) and > AFTER I had given him several bouts of blood transfusions, the Winstrol > turned back on the bone marrow and he began producing red cells, white cells > and platelets again. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy > Sent: May-10-18 8:48 PM > To: Maribel Piloto; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp > > This is long because I just copied this whole conversation - but your answer > lies in this combination of drugs - make no mistake this will work if your > vet will give it a try - there is nothing to lose - BUT you and the vet need > to act immediately. - good luck. You will probably get more responses - Sandy > W > > > > Winstrol – 1 mg twice a day > > Doxycycline – 1/5 to ¼ tablet (100 mg) twice a day > > Prednisolone – ½ 5 mg tablet, twice a day > > If there are problems with the intestines (vomiting, constipation, slow > moving stools, stools of large diameters, all of which might be indicative of > the effect of the virus on the intestines) you can try adding ¼ tablet of > apometocloprimide. > > If the haematocrit level is REALLY REALLY low – like below 5-8, you might > consider starting the Winstrol at 2 mg twice a day for a week, to try and > kickstart things quickly, but given that there is going to be a likely > increase in liver enzymes with the use of Winstrol, recognize that this might > also increase the liver enzymes faster. > > Hope this helps! Amani > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gary > Sent: January-27-17 4:04 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV > > Amani, > > Could you please give the dosages used for Zander's Protocol? I know they > must have been previously given, but I cannot seem to find them. > > Thanks, Gary > > On 9/16/2016 8:52 AM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > Hi Sherri > > I hope you got some good news today. However, as you know, my experience is > that the Winstrol needs to be used long term before the red cells are back > into the normal range. I continue to recommend use of the Doxycyline to > interfere with viral RNA synthesis. The Winstrol does not attack the virus, > though I believe it makes the cat stronger overall and able to fight back. > But at the outset of the treatment regime, I believe you must have the > Doxycycline on board to try and reduce the viral load, or at least, keep it > from rising. > > Amani > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > Hi Liz > > The only thing that works to turn back on red cell production is Winstrol > (Stanazolol). It is an
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp
Maribel, When I gave it to Tigger, the results were very fast – within days – so much so that the lab re-ran his results, thinking they must have made a mistake the first time around and that he was not as flat-lined as they had originally thought. Amani is the expert in the lab results though and she can tell you the best time to do the follow up blood work. Ardy From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2018 4:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp Thank you everyone. Vet was impressed with all your e-mails and agreed to get me the Winstrol and other two meds. We’re trying to get it from a local pharmacy but if not, Roadrunner apparently has it. One question - how soon after I start this drug regimen should I have bloodwork done on Flaqui to see if it’s working? Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi On May 12, 2018, at 5:32 PM, Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net <mailto:ar...@centurytel.net> > wrote: Hi Maribel, I totally agree about Zander’s Protocol being your best option, and that it needs to be started as soon as possible. One thing I might add, if it was not mentioned in the comments by Amani and Sandy is that if your vet will order it for you, they might not know of a source for it. Your vet can prescribe and order it online at www.diamondbackdrugs.com <http://www.diamondbackdrugs.com> -- this is a large compounding pharmacy in Arizona, and they will ship it anywhere. Their phone number is 866-578-4420 if you want to call them. The Winstrol comes in several flavors, and forms. I believe it was around $40 when I used it for my Tigger. Best wishes to you and Flaqui. Ardy From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 10:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp Thank you guys.Very encouraging. Now let’s see if I can get my vet to prescribe the Winstrol. I’m sending him all the things you have written. Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi On May 10, 2018, at 11:02 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com <mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com> > wrote: Thank you Sandy. You saved me from repeating what I have posted so very often now. Mirabel, regarding the Aranesp, it is a product which mimics the effects of erythropoietin. I do not believe it will assist because erythropoietin tells the bone marrow to produce more red cells. With FeLV, it infects the cells in the bone marrow which produce all three cell lines (red cells, white cells, platelets). The cells are taken over and destroyed by the virus, which means that the bone marrow can no longer produce red cells, white cells and/or platelets. The erythropoietin or Aranesp is speaking to these cells and telling them to churn out more red cells, but the bone marrow cells can no longer do that. My experience with the Winstrol is that after my cat had the very worst results (HAEMATOCRIT OF FIVE!!!, ZERO % RETICULOCYTES, etc.) and AFTER I had given him several bouts of blood transfusions, the Winstrol turned back on the bone marrow and he began producing red cells, white cells and platelets again. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy Sent: May-10-18 8:48 PM To: Maribel Piloto; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp This is long because I just copied this whole conversation - but your answer lies in this combination of drugs - make no mistake this will work if your vet will give it a try - there is nothing to lose - BUT you and the vet need to act immediately. - good luck. You will probably get more responses - Sandy W Winstrol – 1 mg twice a day Doxycycline – 1/5 to ¼ tablet (100 mg) twice a day Prednisolone – ½ 5 mg tablet, twice a day If there are problems with the intestines (vomiting, constipation, slow moving stools, stools of large diameters, all of which might be indicative of the effect of the virus on the intestines) you can try adding ¼ tablet of apometocloprimide. If the haematocrit level is REALLY REALLY low – like below 5-8, you might consider starting the Winstrol at 2 mg twice a day for a week, to try and kickstart things quickly, but given that there is going to be a likely increase in liver enzymes with the use of Winstrol, recognize that this might also increase the liver enzymes faster. Hope this helps! Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gary Sent: January-27-17 4:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mai
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp
Thank you everyone. Vet was impressed with all your e-mails and agreed to get me the Winstrol and other two meds. We’re trying to get it from a local pharmacy but if not, Roadrunner apparently has it. One question - how soon after I start this drug regimen should I have bloodwork done on Flaqui to see if it’s working? Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi > On May 12, 2018, at 5:32 PM, Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> wrote: > > Hi Maribel, > I totally agree about Zander’s Protocol being your best option, and that it > needs to be started as soon as possible. One thing I might add, if it was not > mentioned in the comments by Amani and Sandy is that if your vet will order > it for you, they might not know of a source for it. Your vet can prescribe > and order it online at www.diamondbackdrugs.com -- this is a large > compounding pharmacy in Arizona, and they will ship it anywhere. Their phone > number is 866-578-4420 if you want to call them. The Winstrol comes in > several flavors, and forms. I believe it was around $40 when I used it for my > Tigger. Best wishes to you and Flaqui. > Ardy > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Maribel Piloto > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 10:38 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp > > Thank you guys.Very encouraging. Now let’s see if I can get my vet to > prescribe the Winstrol. I’m sending him all the things you have written. > > Maribel > > "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." > -Mohandas Ghandi > > On May 10, 2018, at 11:02 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote: > > Thank you Sandy. You saved me from repeating what I have posted so very often > now. > > Mirabel, regarding the Aranesp, it is a product which mimics the effects of > erythropoietin. I do not believe it will assist because erythropoietin tells > the bone marrow to produce more red cells. With FeLV, it infects the cells in > the bone marrow which produce all three cell lines (red cells, white cells, > platelets). The cells are taken over and destroyed by the virus, which means > that the bone marrow can no longer produce red cells, white cells and/or > platelets. The erythropoietin or Aranesp is speaking to these cells and > telling them to churn out more red cells, but the bone marrow cells can no > longer do that. My experience with the Winstrol is that after my cat had the > very worst results (HAEMATOCRIT OF FIVE!!!, ZERO % RETICULOCYTES, etc.) and > AFTER I had given him several bouts of blood transfusions, the Winstrol > turned back on the bone marrow and he began producing red cells, white cells > and platelets again. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy > Sent: May-10-18 8:48 PM > To: Maribel Piloto; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp > > This is long because I just copied this whole conversation - but your answer > lies in this combination of drugs - make no mistake this will work if your > vet will give it a try - there is nothing to lose - BUT you and the vet need > to act immediately. - good luck. You will probably get more responses - Sandy > W > > > > Winstrol – 1 mg twice a day > > Doxycycline – 1/5 to ¼ tablet (100 mg) twice a day > > Prednisolone – ½ 5 mg tablet, twice a day > > If there are problems with the intestines (vomiting, constipation, slow > moving stools, stools of large diameters, all of which might be indicative of > the effect of the virus on the intestines) you can try adding ¼ tablet of > apometocloprimide. > > If the haematocrit level is REALLY REALLY low – like below 5-8, you might > consider starting the Winstrol at 2 mg twice a day for a week, to try and > kickstart things quickly, but given that there is going to be a likely > increase in liver enzymes with the use of Winstrol, recognize that this might > also increase the liver enzymes faster. > > Hope this helps! Amani > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gary > Sent: January-27-17 4:04 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV > > Amani, > > Could you please give the dosages used for Zander's Protocol? I know they > must have been previously given, but I cannot seem to find them. > > Thanks, Gary > > On 9/16/2016 8:52 AM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > Hi Sherri > > I hope you got some good news today
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp
Hi Maribel, I totally agree about Zander’s Protocol being your best option, and that it needs to be started as soon as possible. One thing I might add, if it was not mentioned in the comments by Amani and Sandy is that if your vet will order it for you, they might not know of a source for it. Your vet can prescribe and order it online at www.diamondbackdrugs.com <http://www.diamondbackdrugs.com> -- this is a large compounding pharmacy in Arizona, and they will ship it anywhere. Their phone number is 866-578-4420 if you want to call them. The Winstrol comes in several flavors, and forms. I believe it was around $40 when I used it for my Tigger. Best wishes to you and Flaqui. Ardy From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maribel Piloto Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 10:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp Thank you guys.Very encouraging. Now let’s see if I can get my vet to prescribe the Winstrol. I’m sending him all the things you have written. Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi On May 10, 2018, at 11:02 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com <mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com> > wrote: Thank you Sandy. You saved me from repeating what I have posted so very often now. Mirabel, regarding the Aranesp, it is a product which mimics the effects of erythropoietin. I do not believe it will assist because erythropoietin tells the bone marrow to produce more red cells. With FeLV, it infects the cells in the bone marrow which produce all three cell lines (red cells, white cells, platelets). The cells are taken over and destroyed by the virus, which means that the bone marrow can no longer produce red cells, white cells and/or platelets. The erythropoietin or Aranesp is speaking to these cells and telling them to churn out more red cells, but the bone marrow cells can no longer do that. My experience with the Winstrol is that after my cat had the very worst results (HAEMATOCRIT OF FIVE!!!, ZERO % RETICULOCYTES, etc.) and AFTER I had given him several bouts of blood transfusions, the Winstrol turned back on the bone marrow and he began producing red cells, white cells and platelets again. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy Sent: May-10-18 8:48 PM To: Maribel Piloto; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp This is long because I just copied this whole conversation - but your answer lies in this combination of drugs - make no mistake this will work if your vet will give it a try - there is nothing to lose - BUT you and the vet need to act immediately. - good luck. You will probably get more responses - Sandy W Winstrol – 1 mg twice a day Doxycycline – 1/5 to ¼ tablet (100 mg) twice a day Prednisolone – ½ 5 mg tablet, twice a day If there are problems with the intestines (vomiting, constipation, slow moving stools, stools of large diameters, all of which might be indicative of the effect of the virus on the intestines) you can try adding ¼ tablet of apometocloprimide. If the haematocrit level is REALLY REALLY low – like below 5-8, you might consider starting the Winstrol at 2 mg twice a day for a week, to try and kickstart things quickly, but given that there is going to be a likely increase in liver enzymes with the use of Winstrol, recognize that this might also increase the liver enzymes faster. Hope this helps! Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gary Sent: January-27-17 4:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV Amani, Could you please give the dosages used for Zander's Protocol? I know they must have been previously given, but I cannot seem to find them. Thanks, Gary On 9/16/2016 8:52 AM, Amani Oakley wrote: Hi Sherri I hope you got some good news today. However, as you know, my experience is that the Winstrol needs to be used long term before the red cells are back into the normal range. I continue to recommend use of the Doxycyline to interfere with viral RNA synthesis. The Winstrol does not attack the virus, though I believe it makes the cat stronger overall and able to fight back. But at the outset of the treatment regime, I believe you must have the Doxycycline on board to try and reduce the viral load, or at least, keep it from rising. Amani ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Hi Liz The only thing that works to turn back on red cell production is Winstrol (Stanazolol). It is an AN
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp
Thank you guys.Very encouraging. Now let’s see if I can get my vet to prescribe the Winstrol. I’m sending him all the things you have written. Maribel "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi > On May 10, 2018, at 11:02 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote: > > Thank you Sandy. You saved me from repeating what I have posted so very often > now. > > Mirabel, regarding the Aranesp, it is a product which mimics the effects of > erythropoietin. I do not believe it will assist because erythropoietin tells > the bone marrow to produce more red cells. With FeLV, it infects the cells in > the bone marrow which produce all three cell lines (red cells, white cells, > platelets). The cells are taken over and destroyed by the virus, which means > that the bone marrow can no longer produce red cells, white cells and/or > platelets. The erythropoietin or Aranesp is speaking to these cells and > telling them to churn out more red cells, but the bone marrow cells can no > longer do that. My experience with the Winstrol is that after my cat had the > very worst results (HAEMATOCRIT OF FIVE!!!, ZERO % RETICULOCYTES, etc.) and > AFTER I had given him several bouts of blood transfusions, the Winstrol > turned back on the bone marrow and he began producing red cells, white cells > and platelets again. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy > Sent: May-10-18 8:48 PM > To: Maribel Piloto; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp > > This is long because I just copied this whole conversation - but your answer > lies in this combination of drugs - make no mistake this will work if your > vet will give it a try - there is nothing to lose - BUT you and the vet need > to act immediately. - good luck. You will probably get more responses - Sandy > W > > > > Winstrol – 1 mg twice a day > > Doxycycline – 1/5 to ¼ tablet (100 mg) twice a day > > Prednisolone – ½ 5 mg tablet, twice a day > > If there are problems with the intestines (vomiting, constipation, slow > moving stools, stools of large diameters, all of which might be indicative of > the effect of the virus on the intestines) you can try adding ¼ tablet of > apometocloprimide. > > If the haematocrit level is REALLY REALLY low – like below 5-8, you might > consider starting the Winstrol at 2 mg twice a day for a week, to try and > kickstart things quickly, but given that there is going to be a likely > increase in liver enzymes with the use of Winstrol, recognize that this might > also increase the liver enzymes faster. > > Hope this helps! Amani > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gary > Sent: January-27-17 4:04 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV > > Amani, > > Could you please give the dosages used for Zander's Protocol? I know they > must have been previously given, but I cannot seem to find them. > > Thanks, Gary > > On 9/16/2016 8:52 AM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > Hi Sherri > > I hope you got some good news today. However, as you know, my experience is > that the Winstrol needs to be used long term before the red cells are back > into the normal range. I continue to recommend use of the Doxycyline to > interfere with viral RNA synthesis. The Winstrol does not attack the virus, > though I believe it makes the cat stronger overall and able to fight back. > But at the outset of the treatment regime, I believe you must have the > Doxycycline on board to try and reduce the viral load, or at least, keep it > from rising. > > Amani > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > Hi Liz > > The only thing that works to turn back on red cell production is Winstrol > (Stanazolol). It is an ANABOLIC steroid (as opposed to most steroids we are > used to getting, like prednisone, which is a corticosteroid. > > Anabolic steroids are ones which build muscle, tissue, etc. > > Adding Winstrol to the combination of medication you have your cat on right > now, would be the best thing to do. The Doxycycline acts to slow down or > inhibit the reproduction of the FeLV virus by interfering the RNA > duplication. The prednisone is helpful in keeping inflammation at bay, but > neither of these helps to increase the red cells. The Winstrol acts directly > and very quickly on the bone marrow and seems to get
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp
Thank you Sandy. You saved me from repeating what I have posted so very often now. Mirabel, regarding the Aranesp, it is a product which mimics the effects of erythropoietin. I do not believe it will assist because erythropoietin tells the bone marrow to produce more red cells. With FeLV, it infects the cells in the bone marrow which produce all three cell lines (red cells, white cells, platelets). The cells are taken over and destroyed by the virus, which means that the bone marrow can no longer produce red cells, white cells and/or platelets. The erythropoietin or Aranesp is speaking to these cells and telling them to churn out more red cells, but the bone marrow cells can no longer do that. My experience with the Winstrol is that after my cat had the very worst results (HAEMATOCRIT OF FIVE!!!, ZERO % RETICULOCYTES, etc.) and AFTER I had given him several bouts of blood transfusions, the Winstrol turned back on the bone marrow and he began producing red cells, white cells and platelets again. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sandy Sent: May-10-18 8:48 PM To: Maribel Piloto; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp This is long because I just copied this whole conversation - but your answer lies in this combination of drugs - make no mistake this will work if your vet will give it a try - there is nothing to lose - BUT you and the vet need to act immediately. - good luck. You will probably get more responses - Sandy W Winstrol – 1 mg twice a day Doxycycline – 1/5 to ¼ tablet (100 mg) twice a day Prednisolone – ½ 5 mg tablet, twice a day If there are problems with the intestines (vomiting, constipation, slow moving stools, stools of large diameters, all of which might be indicative of the effect of the virus on the intestines) you can try adding ¼ tablet of apometocloprimide. If the haematocrit level is REALLY REALLY low – like below 5-8, you might consider starting the Winstrol at 2 mg twice a day for a week, to try and kickstart things quickly, but given that there is going to be a likely increase in liver enzymes with the use of Winstrol, recognize that this might also increase the liver enzymes faster. Hope this helps! Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gary Sent: January-27-17 4:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV Amani, Could you please give the dosages used for Zander's Protocol? I know they must have been previously given, but I cannot seem to find them. Thanks, Gary On 9/16/2016 8:52 AM, Amani Oakley wrote: Hi Sherri I hope you got some good news today. However, as you know, my experience is that the Winstrol needs to be used long term before the red cells are back into the normal range. I continue to recommend use of the Doxycyline to interfere with viral RNA synthesis. The Winstrol does not attack the virus, though I believe it makes the cat stronger overall and able to fight back. But at the outset of the treatment regime, I believe you must have the Doxycycline on board to try and reduce the viral load, or at least, keep it from rising. Amani ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Hi Liz The only thing that works to turn back on red cell production is Winstrol (Stanazolol). It is an ANABOLIC steroid (as opposed to most steroids we are used to getting, like prednisone, which is a corticosteroid. Anabolic steroids are ones which build muscle, tissue, etc. Adding Winstrol to the combination of medication you have your cat on right now, would be the best thing to do. The Doxycycline acts to slow down or inhibit the reproduction of the FeLV virus by interfering the RNA duplication. The prednisone is helpful in keeping inflammation at bay, but neither of these helps to increase the red cells. The Winstrol acts directly and very quickly on the bone marrow and seems to get red cells generated again, quite promptly. At least it did for my Zander, and I have been contacted directly by several people from this group, who have reported to me that they also saw almost immediate (within 3 days) evidence of their cats’ gums/ears/pads pinkening up. The problem is that Winstrol is a controversial drug because it is also what professional athletes use to get bigger, stronger and faster. Quite unfortunately (since none of our cats are entering the Olympics) that association with doping scandals has cast a shadow on its use in both animal and people medicine. In human medicine, it is the only drug found to be effective in treating hereditary angioedema and anemia. Here is a blurb I found about it: Winstrol was first invented in 1959
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp
This is long because I just copied this whole conversation - but your answer lies in this combination of drugs - make no mistake this will work if your vet will give it a try - there is nothing to lose - BUT you and the vet need to act immediately. - good luck. You will probably get more responses - Sandy W Winstrol – 1 mg twice a day Doxycycline – 1/5 to ¼ tablet (100 mg) twice a day Prednisolone – ½ 5 mg tablet, twice a day If there are problems with the intestines (vomiting, constipation, slow moving stools, stools of large diameters, all of which might be indicative of the effect of the virus on the intestines) you can try adding ¼ tablet of apometocloprimide. If the haematocrit level is REALLY REALLY low – like below 5-8, you might consider starting the Winstrol at 2 mg twice a day for a week, to try and kickstart things quickly, but given that there is going to be a likely increase in liver enzymes with the use of Winstrol, recognize that this might also increase the liver enzymes faster. Hope this helps! Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gary Sent: January-27-17 4:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV Amani, Could you please give the dosages used for Zander's Protocol? I know they must have been previously given, but I cannot seem to find them. Thanks, Gary On 9/16/2016 8:52 AM, Amani Oakley wrote: Hi Sherri I hope you got some good news today. However, as you know, my experience is that the Winstrol needs to be used long term before the red cells are back into the normal range. I continue to recommend use of the Doxycyline to interfere with viral RNA synthesis. The Winstrol does not attack the virus, though I believe it makes the cat stronger overall and able to fight back. But at the outset of the treatment regime, I believe you must have the Doxycycline on board to try and reduce the viral load, or at least, keep it from rising. Amani ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Hi Liz The only thing that works to turn back on red cell production is Winstrol (Stanazolol). It is an ANABOLIC steroid (as opposed to most steroids we are used to getting, like prednisone, which is a corticosteroid. Anabolic steroids are ones which build muscle, tissue, etc. Adding Winstrol to the combination of medication you have your cat on right now, would be the best thing to do. The Doxycycline acts to slow down or inhibit the reproduction of the FeLV virus by interfering the RNA duplication. The prednisone is helpful in keeping inflammation at bay, but neither of these helps to increase the red cells. The Winstrol acts directly and very quickly on the bone marrow and seems to get red cells generated again, quite promptly. At least it did for my Zander, and I have been contacted directly by several people from this group, who have reported to me that they also saw almost immediate (within 3 days) evidence of their cats’ gums/ears/pads pinkening up. The problem is that Winstrol is a controversial drug because it is also what professional athletes use to get bigger, stronger and faster. Quite unfortunately (since none of our cats are entering the Olympics) that association with doping scandals has cast a shadow on its use in both animal and people medicine. In human medicine, it is the only drug found to be effective in treating hereditary angioedema and anemia. Here is a blurb I found about it: Winstrol was first invented in 1959. Soon after that, the UK based Winthrop Laboratories created a prescription medicine from it. Later, in 1961, Winthrop’s patent was bought by the US based Sterling that started manufacturing and selling the drug in the American markets. In the beginning, Winstrol was used for a variety of medical reasons. But later, by the 1970s, the FDA had restricted its use to only promoting growth and treating osteoporosis. In the 1980s, there was a termination of the manufacture of anabolic steroids in the American market. But Winstrol was among those steroids which not only survived, but thrived in the 1980s and 1990s. During this period, its use was reinforced as a cure for anemia – as it had the power to boost red blood cell count, and was used as a treatment for facial swelling or angioedema. When the manufacture of Winstrol was finally discontinued, Ovation Pharmaceuticals bought the rights to manufacture it, in 2003. However, Ovation Pharmaceuticals have ceased their operations now, so the Winstrol products available today in the American markets are only generic and not pharmaceutical grade. Outside the USA, however, several large brands still manufacture and sell Winstrol. Genuine Stanozolol can be distinguished in water suspensions because it separates from the liquid into micrometer
[Felvtalk] Anemia and Aranesp
Hi all, I have a Leuk+ girl who is getting very anemic. Her name is Flaqui. She showed up at one of the colonies I feed a couple of months ago (already spayed) and was so thin I thought she was an elderly cat with not much time left so I took her home to give her some comfort in her final days. When I took her to the vet it turned out that she isn't that old (vet things 4-5) but she's Leuk+. I decided to keep her in my room where I have another Leuk+ guy. I'm building a little catio for them outside one of the bedroom windows so they can enjoy the outside. Flaqui's numbers in January 2018 were... RBC - 4.15 M/ul (5.00-10.00) LOWHCT - 20.2% (30.0-45.0) LOWHGB 6.8 g/dl (9.0-15.1) LOWMCV 48.7 fL (41.0-58.0)MCH - 16.5 pg (12.0-20.0)MCHC - 33.8 g/dL (29.0-37.5)RDW - 20.5% (17.3-22.0)%RETIC - 1.3%RETIC - 53.2 K/uL (3.0-50.0) HIGHWBC - 15.30 K/uL (5.50-19.50)EOS - 1.8 K/uL (0.10-0.79) HIGHPLT - 663 K/uL (175-600)Everything else was normal I started her on Liqui-Tinic which is a supplement containing iron and B-12 among other things. Also giving her Vetri-DMG. She initially had very bad diarrhea but I managed to clear this with Metronidazole. She's also been dewormed and got Revolution. Despite eating and showing an interest in food, she has been losing weight (down to 5 lbs) so last week I had bloodwork done again. Here are the results... RBC - 3.79 M/ul (5.00-10.00) LOWHCT - 14.8% (30.0-45.0) LOWHGB 8.1 g/dl (9.0-15.1) LOWMCV 39.2 fL (41.0-58.0) LOWMCH - 21.4 pg (12.0-20.0) HIGHMCHC - --- g/dL (29.0-37.5)RDW - 21.7% (17.3-22.0)%RETIC - 1.1%RETIC - 40.7 K/uL (3.0-50.0)WBC - 22.73. K/uL (5.50-19.50) HIGHNEU - 18.48 K/uL (2.50-12.50) HIGHPLT 698 K/uL (175-600) HIGHEverything else was normal My vet told me to start her on Clavamox since the white blood cell count was high which is indicative on an infection somewhere. I was really alarmed by the HCT number because I had a cat with chronic renal failure and anemia some years back and I know that once the HCT numbers get below 20% it can be very dangerous. With that cat, Grayson, I used Aranesp very successfully to treat his anemia. He eventually succumbed to the kidney failure but the Aranesp kept his anemia at bay. I've been reading that blood transfusions are one of the things to do with Leuk+ cats once the HCT numbers get low but blood transfusions in my area (South FL) are in the $1000 range and I manage 6 colonies and have other cats at home with medical needs including one that needs a full mouth extraction for stomatitis and I just can't spend that type of money on Flaqui. Do you guys think that Aranesp is something that would work on her? She does not have kidney problems. However, based on the reticulocyte levels, she does seem to have non-regenerative anaemia. I read this document at Tanya's Comprehensive Guide to Feline Chronic Kidney Disease that explains that the reticulocyte level needs to be adjusted based on PCV... In particular, since reticulocytes are commonly expressed in percentage terms, they need to be adjusted to allow for the degree of anaemia, i.e. 1% reticulocytes in a cat with a PCV of 20% is twice as many as 1% reticulocytes in a cat with a PCV of 10%. Let's assume your cat's PCV is 18% and the measured reticulocyte count is 0.75%. You multiply the PCV by the measured count, then divide the result by the normal PCV level (35% for many laboratories). In this instance, you would get an adjusted result of 0.39%, which indicates non-regeneration. In contrast, if your cat's PCV was 13% and the measured reticulocyte count was 0.75%, your adjusted result would be 0.28. This also indicates non-regeneration, but it is more severe (i.e. the lower the corrected value, the lower the regenerative response). Flaqui's adjusted reticulocyte level is 14.8HCT X 1.1 RET = 16.28/35 = .46 which indicates non-regeneration. Any help would be appreciated. Flaqui has been doing better the last couple of days. I think the Clavamox helped - but I really wish I could improve those HCT numbers. Maribel & Flaqui. "The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated." -Mohandas Ghandi___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] anemia treatments?
What anemia treatments have proven effective for your FELV+ cats? I don't have money for transfusions. Will price LTCI this morning. Kg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] anemia treatments?
It depends on what is causing the anemia. FeLV can cause the blood cells to not form correctly, making them unable to multiply. That's what has happened to all mine that have died from it. There is nothing you can do about that. Sometimes it is Hemobartonella, caused by fleas, which can be hard to detect. The treatment for that is Doxy, which usually starts working pretty quickly. There are others here who have dealt with other causes of it who may have more suggestions. Good luck. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: KG BarnCats kgbarnc...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 8:05 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] anemia treatments? What anemia treatments have proven effective for your FELV+ cats? I don't have money for transfusions. Will price LTCI this morning. Kg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Anemia blood transfusions
I apologize in advance if this topic has been discussed recently, but my baby is sick and I haven't been on the computer much. My FELV cat Thomas O' Malley, has non regenerative anemia. He wasn't showing any signs of illness until one day he spent the entire day hiding in my closet. I immediately took him in and he was already pale from lack of blood. We gave him a transfusion and he has been great for 2 weeks. Yesterday he went back in the closet and we are back in the same situation. The vet recommended against another transfusion saying its a waste of time and money because the FELV will continue to attack the marrow and he will continue to need transfusions. I read that the transfusions can last longer each time you get them, but I don't know if that's true. Has anyone had a cat in this situation? Did the transfusion last more than a few weeks? I have him on iron supplements in addition to the prednisone and doxycycline. Thanks. I'm so conflicted. I don't want him to suffer! Marnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia blood transfusions
Marnie - So sorry your baby is sick. The Doxy is in the hopes it is hemobartonella that is causing the problem. This can be a little difficult to diagnose, so vets usually give the Doxy just in case, but it works pretty quickly if that's what it is. I had a non-FeLV cat with hemobartonella he started showing improvement within 2 days of the blood transfusion Doxy. Non-regenerative anemia of unknown origin is pretty common in FeLV cats. Most of my FeLV's have died from this. I would have to agree with your vet, unfortunately. So sorry you are having to go through this. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Marnie Miszewski marni...@embarqmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:48 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Anemia blood transfusions I apologize in advance if this topic has been discussed recently, but my baby is sick and I haven't been on the computer much. My FELV cat Thomas O' Malley, has non regenerative anemia. He wasn't showing any signs of illness until one day he spent the entire day hiding in my closet. I immediately took him in and he was already pale from lack of blood. We gave him a transfusion and he has been great for 2 weeks. Yesterday he went back in the closet and we are back in the same situation. The vet recommended against another transfusion saying its a waste of time and money because the FELV will continue to attack the marrow and he will continue to need transfusions. I read that the transfusions can last longer each time you get them, but I don't know if that's true. Has anyone had a cat in this situation? Did the transfusion last more than a few weeks? I have him on iron supplements in addition to the prednisone and doxycycline. Thanks. I'm so conflicted. I don't want him to suffer! Marnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia blood transfusions
The transfusion is to get the cat past a crisis. To address the underlying issues, you could try treating with LTCI which is specifically for FELV+ cats. Orally dosed Interferon alfa is another excellent treatment for FELV+ cats, and cheap especially when you have multiple FELV+ and/or FIV+ cats (compounded liquid, 60 day shelf life). http://tcyte.com/ltci-product-info-feline-leukemia/ Epogen is a drug that can be used to stimulate red blood cell production, but it is a serious medicine not to be given lightly. But I would try it alongside the interferon alfa and LTCI in a desperate anemia situation, if I had the money. More info at http://www.felineleukemia.org/treatmnt.shtml BTW I had a very anemic cat (FELV-) and they didn't know why he was sick despite all kinds of tests. Out of desperation we gave him the doxy, and he responded very quickly. So they figured he had hemobartonella. He recovered and is still fine, years later. KG On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Marnie - So sorry your baby is sick. The Doxy is in the hopes it is hemobartonella that is causing the problem. This can be a little difficult to diagnose, so vets usually give the Doxy just in case, but it works pretty quickly if that's what it is. I had a non-FeLV cat with hemobartonella he started showing improvement within 2 days of the blood transfusion Doxy. Non-regenerative anemia of unknown origin is pretty common in FeLV cats. Most of my FeLV's have died from this. I would have to agree with your vet, unfortunately. So sorry you are having to go through this. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ -- *From:* Marnie Miszewski marni...@embarqmail.com *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:48 PM *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Anemia blood transfusions I apologize in advance if this topic has been discussed recently, but my baby is sick and I haven't been on the computer much. My FELV cat Thomas O' Malley, has non regenerative anemia. He wasn't showing any signs of illness until one day he spent the entire day hiding in my closet. I immediately took him in and he was already pale from lack of blood. We gave him a transfusion and he has been great for 2 weeks. Yesterday he went back in the closet and we are back in the same situation. The vet recommended against another transfusion saying its a waste of time and money because the FELV will continue to attack the marrow and he will continue to need transfusions. I read that the transfusions can last longer each time you get them, but I don't know if that's true. Has anyone had a cat in this situation? Did the transfusion last more than a few weeks? I have him on iron supplements in addition to the prednisone and doxycycline. Thanks. I'm so conflicted. I don't want him to suffer! Marnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia blood transfusions
Marnie, I'm so sorry about your cat. I've lost many FelV cats to anemia, and I too was advised against transfusions. They are very expensive, and they only buy the FelV cat a little bit of time. Lorrie From: Marnie Miszewski marni...@embarqmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:48 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Anemia blood transfusions I apologize in advance if this topic has been discussed recently, but my baby is sick and I haven't been on the computer much. My FELV cat Thomas O' Malley, has non regenerative anemia. He wasn't showing any signs of illness until one day he spent the entire day hiding in my closet. I immediately took him in and he was already pale from lack of blood. We gave him a transfusion and he has been great for 2 weeks. Yesterday he went back in the closet and we are back in the same situation. The vet recommended against another transfusion saying its a waste of time and money because the FELV will continue to attack the marrow and he will continue to need transfusions. I read that the transfusions can last longer each time you get them, but I don't know if that's true. Has anyone had a cat in this situation? Did the transfusion last more than a few weeks? I have him on iron supplements in addition to the prednisone and doxycycline. Thanks. I'm so conflicted. I don't want him to suffer! Marnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] anemia and negative IFA
Dave I would have your other cat tested. I find it hard to believe that an indoor only cat suddenly tests positive. Here is the link to a flow chart I found helpful to understand the test results http://www.felineleukemia.org/felvhlth.html Hope it helps Sharyl From: David Arthurs arthurs.da...@gmail.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 6:14 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] anemia and negative IFA Our female cat, Tux, is 5 years old and is recovering from acute anemia...we are 2-cat household...both house cats, not allowed outside and no exposure to other cats as far as we know. Both were tested at the age of spaying (~9 mos) for FeLV (Elisa) and were negative and vaccinated against it...and boostered 2 years ago. Tux's blood chem was normal except for severe anemia (10% RBC). She had lost 2 lbs off her normal weight (sudden)...had a positive snap test and negative IFA for FeLV. Her blood also tested positive for immune reaction to her own blood. We started treatment on prednisone and antibiotics and she has gained 1/4 pound and boosted her new RBC count by 5x, now RBC is at 15% by blood volume...all in one week's time. The vet is certain she has FeLV...even though we're having a hard time understanding how she could possibly have been exposed...and if exposed why the vaccine didn't prevent infection (it seems like a real long shot that she would have caught FeLV). I am also trying to understand how the IFA test could be negative...the low RBC count seems to indicate that this is secondary viremia...and infecting her bone marrow (which should lead to a positive IFA). The vet keeps suggesting implausible ways she may have caught the virus in order to maintain the diagnosis as FeLV. Please let me know your experiences and please be honest if you think we're in denial. From online research I've been able to determine that the snap test is about 90-95% reliable (and prone to technician error if faintly positive) and the IFA is 99.9% accurate...but may not register right away if she has an initial infection. Thanks for any advice you can share. Dave -- Dave Arthurs 415.518.9960 mobile 415.344.6546 office ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia in Desi (was STORM/REPLY LORRIE, 11/6 - Scents and other chemicals)
My vet gave my anemic cat B12 subQs, but he still needed a transfusion. He was probably a lot more anemic, though. His blood looked like water and he had a red blood cell parasite. Have you checked for that? Here's a nice page (about which you probably already know) about anemia: http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm The short of it is, get some treatment fast. On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: I am fostering one of my former colony cats. My friend is now feeding the colony, which was hers to begin with but since I moved out of the county and live 35 miles away, she has had to take back the care of the 7 colonies with which I was helping her. Desi, the cat I am now fostering has lost a lot of weight. My friend took him to the vet and the cat has tested positive for FeLv. His PCV test is at 10 and the vet doesn't hold out much hope for long term survival. In addition, the vet felt a small mass near the cat's liver. However, what's puzzling is that Desi is still eating, still grooming, his fur is shiny like a healthy cat. His eyes were clear and bright last night but had a little gunk on one cheek this morning. But they are still wide and bright and he doesn't seem to be in any discomfort or pain. One thing though is that he's weak. He walks slowly and sits down after a few steps but then he gets up, rubs against me and then sits again. His belly is large but i can feel his backbone when I stroke him. When I knew him as a street cat, he was plump and active and mischievous. I have known him since he was a half grown kitten. He was one of many black cats born to a black feral mom cat in the colony but he was friendly to me and my rescue partner. When we got them neutered, we did not test them for anything because we don't have money for that. Desi is about 4 years old. The colony hangs out at an office park. I'm wondering if there's any way short of a transfusion to deal with his anemia. I'm giving him Nutra Ved vitamins daily, .5 cc. twice a day. I can't afford the transfusion and with a leukemia positive cat I don't feel it would be wise or that any vet would be willing to do that. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/ Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: http://www.no-killnews.com/ (see the right sidebar) Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/ More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially http://vimeo.com/48445902 Local feral cat crisis? See Alley Cat Allies' for how to respond: http://www.alleycat.org/page.aspx?pid=537 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia AZT
In human medicine (I would have to research veterinary but they generally follow human trends) herpes virus is better treated with something like ganciclovir or acyclovir. Jenny catatonya catato...@yahoo.com wrote: Do you think AZT could be used for cats with the herpes virus? tonya jb...@tds.net wrote: Graca, Hello. I responded to your email earlier but had some problems with my email and am not sure if you received it. This is basically what I said. If you get two emails for this sorry. AZT is an antiviral used in human medicine to treat HIV. It is generally used in combination with other antivirals. Unfortunately, these combinations of antivirals have not been found to be effective against felv in cats. At least there are no good studies to support that. AZT is often not used or stopped in people because it often causes anemia and bone marrow toxicity. This is a very widely known side effect of AZT. For this reason, I would listen to the vet that suggests stopping the AZT. Since anemia can be a common symptom of felv and your cat is experiencing it. It is either because of progression of the felv disease or a side effect of the drugs. If it is the drug, stop giving it and the anemia should improve (this can be monitored by looking at the blood for reticulocytes - which are like baby red blood cells and indicate that the bone marrow is trying to fix the anemia - this is a good sign). If it is the felv disease progressing than the AZT is not really helping you anyway and there isn't much reason to continue giving it. If you want to continue to treat the felv virus, there is a lot of buzz about something called Imulan. It is the first FDA approved drug for the treatment of felv/fiv in the United States. You may want to ask your vet about this possibility. It may be beneficial to stop your current meds and try this. I don't know. It would be trial and error. Keep in mind that anemia and bone marrow suppression in a felv positive cat is a poor prognostic sign. In general, if it were me, I would stop the AZT and watch for improvement of the anemia. I may add Imulan (I have no experience with this drug yet), would consider a blood transfusion, from an immunized cat, if the anemia is significant enough and transfer factor if there is GI upset. Hope this helps. Jenny Graca Azevedo wrote: Dear All, I was so upset with my sick cat that I did not introduce myself as new to list a few days ago. I do apologize. I am writing from Brazil, have two rescued cats. One of them is Felv+. He has been treated on AZT and interferon for 2 years and half. The virus reached his bone marrow and he has anemia. Two vets have examined him. One said that I should stop with the AZT and the other advised to continue. I failed to find on the mail archives any report on cats being treated with AZT. I would be most grateful to hear what any of you have to say. Regards, Graça Azevedo Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia AZT
Acyclovir is used in cats as well, though not everyday like Lysine is. On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 11:38 AM, jb...@tds.net wrote: In human medicine (I would have to research veterinary but they generally follow human trends) herpes virus is better treated with something like ganciclovir or acyclovir. Jenny catatonya catato...@yahoo.com wrote: Do you think AZT could be used for cats with the herpes virus? tonya jb...@tds.net wrote: Graca, Hello. I responded to your email earlier but had some problems with my email and am not sure if you received it. This is basically what I said. If you get two emails for this sorry. AZT is an antiviral used in human medicine to treat HIV. It is generally used in combination with other antivirals. Unfortunately, these combinations of antivirals have not been found to be effective against felv in cats. At least there are no good studies to support that. AZT is often not used or stopped in people because it often causes anemia and bone marrow toxicity. This is a very widely known side effect of AZT. For this reason, I would listen to the vet that suggests stopping the AZT. Since anemia can be a common symptom of felv and your cat is experiencing it. It is either because of progression of the felv disease or a side effect of the drugs. If it is the drug, stop giving it and the anemia should improve (this can be monitored by looking at the blood for reticulocytes - which are like baby red blood cells and indicate that the bone marrow is trying to fix the anemia - this is a good sign). If it is the felv disease progressing than the AZT is not really helping you anyway and there isn't much reason to continue giving it. If you want to continue to treat the felv virus, there is a lot of buzz about something called Imulan. It is the first FDA approved drug for the treatment of felv/fiv in the United States. You may want to ask your vet about this possibility. It may be beneficial to stop your current meds and try this. I don't know. It would be trial and error. Keep in mind that anemia and bone marrow suppression in a felv positive cat is a poor prognostic sign. In general, if it were me, I would stop the AZT and watch for improvement of the anemia. I may add Imulan (I have no experience with this drug yet), would consider a blood transfusion, from an immunized cat, if the anemia is significant enough and transfer factor if there is GI upset. Hope this helps. Jenny Graca Azevedo wrote: Dear All, I was so upset with my sick cat that I did not introduce myself as new to list a few days ago. I do apologize. I am writing from Brazil, have two rescued cats. One of them is Felv+. He has been treated on AZT and interferon for 2 years and half. The virus reached his bone marrow and he has anemia. Two vets have examined him. One said that I should stop with the AZT and the other advised to continue. I failed to find on the mail archives any report on cats being treated with AZT. I would be most grateful to hear what any of you have to say. Regards, Graça Azevedo Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia AZT
Contact me on the treatment of your felines. Send me an email at the following address. griff...@frognet.net I have no charge for my services for FeLV kitties. I just hold out great hope for the animals that I save. Karen - Original Message - From: Graca Azevedo mg4...@yahoo.com.br To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 12:13 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Anemia AZT Dear All, I was so upset with my sick cat that I did not introduce myself as new to list a few days ago. I do apologize. I am writing from Brazil, have two rescued cats. One of them is Felv+. He has been treated on AZT and interferon for 2 years and half. The virus reached his bone marrow and he has anemia. Two vets have examined him. One said that I should stop with the AZT and the other advised to continue. I failed to find on the mail archives any report on cats being treated with AZT. I would be most grateful to hear what any of you have to say. Regards, Graça Azevedo Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia AZT
Reply to me at my personal email at griff...@frognet.net I will give you the most conclusive evidence currrently available to the public. - Original Message - From: Graca Azevedo mg4...@yahoo.com.br To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 12:13 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Anemia AZT Dear All, I was so upset with my sick cat that I did not introduce myself as new to list a few days ago. I do apologize. I am writing from Brazil, have two rescued cats. One of them is Felv+. He has been treated on AZT and interferon for 2 years and half. The virus reached his bone marrow and he has anemia. Two vets have examined him. One said that I should stop with the AZT and the other advised to continue. I failed to find on the mail archives any report on cats being treated with AZT. I would be most grateful to hear what any of you have to say. Regards, Graça Azevedo Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia AZT
Do you think AZT could be used for cats with the herpes virus? tonya jb...@tds.net wrote: Graca, Hello. I responded to your email earlier but had some problems with my email and am not sure if you received it. This is basically what I said. If you get two emails for this sorry. AZT is an antiviral used in human medicine to treat HIV. It is generally used in combination with other antivirals. Unfortunately, these combinations of antivirals have not been found to be effective against felv in cats. At least there are no good studies to support that. AZT is often not used or stopped in people because it often causes anemia and bone marrow toxicity. This is a very widely known side effect of AZT. For this reason, I would listen to the vet that suggests stopping the AZT. Since anemia can be a common symptom of felv and your cat is experiencing it. It is either because of progression of the felv disease or a side effect of the drugs. If it is the drug, stop giving it and the anemia should improve (this can be monitored by looking at the blood for reticulocytes - which are like baby red blood cells and indicate that the bone marrow is trying to fix the anemia - this is a good sign). If it is the felv disease progressing than the AZT is not really helping you anyway and there isn't much reason to continue giving it. If you want to continue to treat the felv virus, there is a lot of buzz about something called Imulan. It is the first FDA approved drug for the treatment of felv/fiv in the United States. You may want to ask your vet about this possibility. It may be beneficial to stop your current meds and try this. I don't know. It would be trial and error. Keep in mind that anemia and bone marrow suppression in a felv positive cat is a poor prognostic sign. In general, if it were me, I would stop the AZT and watch for improvement of the anemia. I may add Imulan (I have no experience with this drug yet), would consider a blood transfusion, from an immunized cat, if the anemia is significant enough and transfer factor if there is GI upset. Hope this helps. Jenny Graca Azevedo wrote: Dear All, I was so upset with my sick cat that I did not introduce myself as new to list a few days ago. I do apologize. I am writing from Brazil, have two rescued cats. One of them is Felv+. He has been treated on AZT and interferon for 2 years and half. The virus reached his bone marrow and he has anemia. Two vets have examined him. One said that I should stop with the AZT and the other advised to continue. I failed to find on the mail archives any report on cats being treated with AZT. I would be most grateful to hear what any of you have to say. Regards, Graça Azevedo Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia
Yes, the Hi Vites were recommended by our Vet for our anemic cat, which we give twice daily along with all his other meds. Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:26:27 -0500 From: furrygi...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia Hi Vite drops are a good iron supplement, available at most vets I think not particularly expensive. It does have other vitamins/minerals in it, so good to check the ingredient list if your cat is high in any areas that need to be watched/ingredients avoided. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com wrote: Some have used childrens liquid viatmins with iron. You may have to consult your vet about dosage. Just a thought. Sally Sally(me), Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soul mate angel), Lionel(angel),Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior, Hotdog (newest) Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®…more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_howitworks_012009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia AZT
The leukemia has reach the bone marrow of our cat Gray Kitty as well. We were told in November by the University of California Davis that he had weeks to live. He is still fighting to live. We have him on Interferon, LTCI Injections weekly, high doses of Steroids as well. Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 09:13:39 -0800 From: mg4...@yahoo.com.br To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Anemia AZT Dear All, I was so upset with my sick cat that I did not introduce myself as new to list a few days ago. I do apologize. I am writing from Brazil, have two rescued cats. One of them is Felv+. He has been treated on AZT and interferon for 2 years and half. The virus reached his bone marrow and he has anemia. Two vets have examined him. One said that I should stop with the AZT and the other advised to continue. I failed to find on the mail archives any report on cats being treated with AZT. I would be most grateful to hear what any of you have to say. Regards, Graça Azevedo Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®…more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_howitworks_012009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Anemia and copper?
Given the recent discussions about anemia and treatment, I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with abnormal copper levels inducing anemia? From what I've read, both too much and too little copper absorbed by the cat can lead to anemia. Copper deficiency on it's own is supposed to be rare in cats, but it can be caused by too much calcium or zinc. I only started researching this the day before Denzel died, mostly because I read somewhere that copper deficiency can also cause black fur to turn rust colored. Denzel was a black cat, but by the time he passed away, he was almost looking like a tortie in patches. Of course, I read somewhere else that maybe the anemia itself can also cause this. I never got the chance to ask my vet, but maybe this might be something else for some of y'all battling anemia now to look into. But I would definitely ask a vet before trying to supplement copper, because cats really only need a tiny amount of it in their diets and too much can also lead to anemia, apparently. -Emily Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Anemia AZT
Dear All, I was so upset with my sick cat that I did not introduce myself as new to list a few days ago. I do apologize. I am writing from Brazil, have two rescued cats. One of them is Felv+. He has been treated on AZT and interferon for 2 years and half. The virus reached his bone marrow and he has anemia. Two vets have examined him. One said that I should stop with the AZT and the other advised to continue. I failed to find on the mail archives any report on cats being treated with AZT. I would be most grateful to hear what any of you have to say. Regards, Graça Azevedo Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia AZT
Hi Graca You may want to join the FIV healthscience group on yahoo. They have a file folder regarding the use of AZT in FELV and FIV cats. Here is the link to the group. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/fiv-healthscience You will have to write an into to the group moderator. You do not have to have an FIV cat to join, just say I referred you if you want. Sally On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Graca Azevedo mg4...@yahoo.com.br wrote: Dear All, I was so upset with my sick cat that I did not introduce myself as new to list a few days ago. I do apologize. I am writing from Brazil, have two rescued cats. One of them is Felv+. He has been treated on AZT and interferon for 2 years and half. The virus reached his bone marrow and he has anemia. Two vets have examined him. One said that I should stop with the AZT and the other advised to continue. I failed to find on the mail archives any report on cats being treated with AZT. I would be most grateful to hear what any of you have to say. Regards, Graça Azevedo Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Sally(me), Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soul mate angel), Lionel(angel),Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior, Hotdog (newest) Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia AZT
Hi Graca, I'm so glad you've found this list. I've never used AZT, only interferon alpha. I've used it daily, but others use it 3 days on/ 3 off, or 7 days on/ 7 off.I don't know the cause for anemia, but as I understand, a positive cat typically has the virus in the bone marrow, and then other problems may (or may not) develop, such as anemia. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. In general, the virus causes a lowering of the immune system, and FELV cats are predisposed to various types of illnesses, such as lymphoma, etc. There are different types of the FELV virus, also, and some geographic regions has more of one type than another. I presently have 5 FELV cats, and had several before who are now Angel Cats. Several of the ones that I've had, that died, had lymphoma (there are different varieties of that). We all know what it feels like to deal with this, so you'll find a lot of information and support here. Gloria On Jan 21, 2009, at 11:13 AM, Graca Azevedo wrote: Dear All, I was so upset with my sick cat that I did not introduce myself as new to list a few days ago. I do apologize. I am writing from Brazil, have two rescued cats. One of them is Felv+. He has been treated on AZT and interferon for 2 years and half. The virus reached his bone marrow and he has anemia. Two vets have examined him. One said that I should stop with the AZT and the other advised to continue. I failed to find on the mail archives any report on cats being treated with AZT. I would be most grateful to hear what any of you have to say. Regards, Graça Azevedo Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia AZT
Graca, Hello. I responded to your email earlier but had some problems with my email and am not sure if you received it. This is basically what I said. If you get two emails for this sorry. AZT is an antiviral used in human medicine to treat HIV. It is generally used in combination with other antivirals. Unfortunately, these combinations of antivirals have not been found to be effective against felv in cats. At least there are no good studies to support that. AZT is often not used or stopped in people because it often causes anemia and bone marrow toxicity. This is a very widely known side effect of AZT. For this reason, I would listen to the vet that suggests stopping the AZT. Since anemia can be a common symptom of felv and your cat is experiencing it. It is either because of progression of the felv disease or a side effect of the drugs. If it is the drug, stop giving it and the anemia should improve (this can be monitored by looking at the blood for reticulocytes - which are like baby red blood cells and indicate that the bone marrow is trying to fix the anemia - this is a good sign). If it is the felv disease progressing than the AZT is not really helping you anyway and there isn't much reason to continue giving it. If you want to continue to treat the felv virus, there is a lot of buzz about something called Imulan. It is the first FDA approved drug for the treatment of felv/fiv in the United States. You may want to ask your vet about this possibility. It may be beneficial to stop your current meds and try this. I don't know. It would be trial and error. Keep in mind that anemia and bone marrow suppression in a felv positive cat is a poor prognostic sign. In general, if it were me, I would stop the AZT and watch for improvement of the anemia. I may add Imulan (I have no experience with this drug yet), would consider a blood transfusion, from an immunized cat, if the anemia is significant enough and transfer factor if there is GI upset. Hope this helps. Jenny Graca Azevedo mg4...@yahoo.com.br wrote: Dear All, I was so upset with my sick cat that I did not introduce myself as new to list a few days ago. I do apologize. I am writing from Brazil, have two rescued cats. One of them is Felv+. He has been treated on AZT and interferon for 2 years and half. The virus reached his bone marrow and he has anemia. Two vets have examined him. One said that I should stop with the AZT and the other advised to continue. I failed to find on the mail archives any report on cats being treated with AZT. I would be most grateful to hear what any of you have to say. Regards, Graça Azevedo Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia
Hi Vite drops are a good iron supplement, available at most vets I think not particularly expensive. It does have other vitamins/minerals in it, so good to check the ingredient list if your cat is high in any areas that need to be watched/ingredients avoided. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com wrote: Some have used childrens liquid viatmins with iron. You may have to consult your vet about dosage. Just a thought. Sally Sally(me), Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soul mate angel), Lionel(angel),Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior, Hotdog (newest) Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Anemia
Sally, My cat Didico has lived in an apartment on the 6th floor for the last 5 years. He was rescued on the street when he was about 3 months. He may have encountered the flea then and hosted the parasito for all this time. I understood that prednisone fights the anemia, even he does not have hemobartenella. After hearing you, I started to believe that there is hope for him. Thank you. Graça Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Graca You are welcome, This particular parasite never goes away he could have had it a long time abd stress could bring it on. it sounds like you are on the right road. Is Didico getting any iron supplements? Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia
Sally, Not yet. The pet shop that oppened this morning did not have the medication containing vitamins and supplements (Metacell) the Vet indicated last night. I will check a pet shop in the mall after 3pm this afternoon. If they do not have, I will have to await until tomorrow. I managed to give him Hills A/D, what he initially did not want but he is liking now. Any suggestion of the active principle of a medication containing iron? Please forgive me for my poor English. Thanks so much for helping Didico and me. Graça Azevedo --- Em dom, 18/1/09, Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com escreveu: De: Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com Assunto: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia Para: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Data: Domingo, 18 de Janeiro de 2009, 12:22 Graca You are welcome, This particular parasite never goes away he could have had it a long time abd stress could bring it on. it sounds like you are on the right road. Is Didico getting any iron supplements? Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia
Some have used childrens liquid viatmins with iron. You may have to consult your vet about dosage. Just a thought. Sally Sally(me), Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soul mate angel), Lionel(angel),Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior, Hotdog (newest) Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia
Thank you for all your help, Sally. And health for your and your family. Graça Azevedo --- Em dom, 18/1/09, Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com escreveu: De: Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com Assunto: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia Para: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Data: Domingo, 18 de Janeiro de 2009, 17:48 Some have used childrens liquid viatmins with iron. You may have to consult your vet about dosage. Just a thought. Sally Sally(me), Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soul mate angel), Lionel(angel),Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior, Hotdog (newest) Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Your are welcome..Good luck Sally On 1/18/09, Graca Azevedo mg4...@yahoo.com.br wrote: Thank you for all your help, Sally. And health for your and your family. Graça Azevedo --- Em dom, 18/1/09, Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com escreveu: De: Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com Assunto: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia Para: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Data: Domingo, 18 de Janeiro de 2009, 17:48 Some have used childrens liquid viatmins with iron. You may have to consult your vet about dosage. Just a thought. Sally Sally(me), Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soul mate angel), Lionel(angel),Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior, Hotdog (newest) Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Sally(me), Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soul mate angel), Lionel(angel),Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior, Hotdog (newest) Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Anemia
Hi everybody, I hope all of you are as fine as it can be. I am writing from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. My five years old cat has been treated on AZT and interferon for 2 years and half. Tonight I heard that he has lymphoid leukemia. I have been given him the best cat food sold in Brazil: Hills. And I just started to give him Hills for kitten and Hills A/D. And as soon as I find an opened pet shop, he will start on Metacel (a medication for anemia). The vet suggested blood transfer when hematocrit reaches 12,0 (now is 13,05). I wouldn't like to put him through such pain. I would like very much to hear about your experience and opinion. kind regards, Graça Azevedo Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia
HI Graca I do not know what tests have been done. It is possible your cat has hemobartenella, which often causes amemia in feline leukemia infected cats. They often test negative for this and you should just treat as if the cat has it. Normal treatment is 3 weeks of doxycycline and prednisone. If a transfusion is needed until treatment starts to be effective then I would advise the transfusion. My cat was treated for this in the beginning and was not anemic after that. Of course he had his share of other problems. Best of luck Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia
Sally, Thank you very much for sharing your experience. Maybe my cat got hemobartenella when I took him out of the house for two ultrassonagraphies last month. He does not like going out. Today he had a blood test and a radiography. I will talk to my vet about the prescription of doxycline and prednisone. All the best. Graça Azevedo --- Em sáb, 17/1/09, Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com escreveu: De: Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com Assunto: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia Para: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Data: Sábado, 17 de Janeiro de 2009, 23:16 HI Graca I do not know what tests have been done. It is possible your cat has hemobartenella, which often causes amemia in feline leukemia infected cats. They often test negative for this and you should just treat as if the cat has it. Normal treatment is 3 weeks of doxycycline and prednisone. If a transfusion is needed until treatment starts to be effective then I would advise the transfusion. My cat was treated for this in the beginning and was not anemic after that. Of course he had his share of other problems. Best of luck Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia
Sally, Thank you very much for sharing your experience. Maybe my cat got hemobartenella when I took him out of the house for two ultrassonagraphies last month. He does not like going out. Today he had a blood test and a radiography. I will talk to my vet about the prescription of doxycline and prednisone. All the best. Graça Azevedo --- Em sáb, 17/1/09, Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com escreveu: De: Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com Assunto: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia Para: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Data: Sábado, 17 de Janeiro de 2009, 23:16 HI Graca I do not know what tests have been done. It is possible your cat has hemobartenella, which often causes amemia in feline leukemia infected cats. They often test negative for this and you should just treat as if the cat has it. Normal treatment is 3 weeks of doxycycline and prednisone. If a transfusion is needed until treatment starts to be effective then I would advise the transfusion. My cat was treated for this in the beginning and was not anemic after that. Of course he had his share of other problems. Best of luck Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia
Hemobartenella, comes from a flea bite. Cats with feline leukemia are particularliy succeptible. Here is a link explaining http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=AA=1692S=1SourceID=42 Hope kitty feels better soon. Sally On 1/17/09, Graca Azevedo mg4...@yahoo.com.br wrote: Sally, Thank you very much for sharing your experience. Maybe my cat got hemobartenella when I took him out of the house for two ultrassonagraphies last month. He does not like going out. Today he had a blood test and a radiography. I will talk to my vet about the prescription of doxycline and prednisone. All the best. Graça Azevedo --- Em sáb, 17/1/09, Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com escreveu: De: Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com Assunto: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia Para: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Data: Sábado, 17 de Janeiro de 2009, 23:16 HI Graca I do not know what tests have been done. It is possible your cat has hemobartenella, which often causes amemia in feline leukemia infected cats. They often test negative for this and you should just treat as if the cat has it. Normal treatment is 3 weeks of doxycycline and prednisone. If a transfusion is needed until treatment starts to be effective then I would advise the transfusion. My cat was treated for this in the beginning and was not anemic after that. Of course he had his share of other problems. Best of luck Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Sally(me), Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soul mate angel), Lionel(angel),Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior, Hotdog (newest) Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
