Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
Thanks for that info, Jo. I wasa big fan of Rebound (a liquid meal replacement for sick cats; had some electroloyetes in it, too) until they changed the formula! Since I discovered it, I always had sick kitties lap it; NOW, the new improved formula is a) lower in calories (?huh? why would you decrease calories to an animal who's not eating?) and b) far less palatable if my tribe is any indication. Michelle, how about the oil or water from a can of tuna or mackeral? Sending best wishes and hoping Bramble will eat soon. Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't seen this mentioned, but its worth a shot... Have you tried CliniCare? Its like Ensure for kitties... in fact they are made by the same company. Its complete nutrition and its even used for kitties fed via a tube. Here's a link so you know what to look for. http://www.abbottanimalhealth.com/nut_clinicare_caninefeline.html I'm on 9 different groups and its used across the boards. Since its liquid, it can be force fed via a syringe. Hope this helps, Jo __ In a message dated 8/2/2005 4:47:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Any ideas pleaseBramble has Calici again after catching it from Buddy as I mentioned last week - his nose is ulcerated and I'm sure his throat is too as he is really hungry and wants his food but can't seem to eat much of it. I've tried mashing it for him but I think his throat is too sore. This has been for 2 days now. His vet had said wait for 5 days on antibiotics last week but the day after I got him on Interferon Omega when he sneezed blood. He has just finished his first 5 injections. He has been more affect the last 2 days so I'm pleased I got him on Interferon again fast. Any ideas for feeding (I've left him some baby food out this morning without much success and tried fish for the smell)I really think it is his throat that is sore - he goes back to the vet tonight.Michelle, Bramble, Buddy Minstrel "I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
I haven't seen this mentioned, but its worth a shot... Have you tried CliniCare? Its like Ensure for kitties... in fact they are made by the same company. Its complete nutrition and its even used for kitties fed via a tube. Here's a link so you know what to look for. http://www.abbottanimalhealth.com/nut_clinicare_caninefeline.html I'm on 9 different groups and its used across the boards. Since its liquid, it can be force fed via a syringe. Hope this helps, Jo __ In a message dated 8/2/2005 4:47:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Any ideas pleaseBramble has Calici again after catching it from Buddy as I mentioned last week - his nose is ulcerated and I'm sure his throat is too as he is really hungry and wants his food but can't seem to eat much of it. I've tried mashing it for him but I think his throat is too sore. This has been for 2 days now. His vet had said wait for 5 days on antibiotics last week but the day after I got him on Interferon Omega when he sneezed blood. He has just finished his first 5 injections. He has been more affect the last 2 days so I'm pleased I got him on Interferon again fast. Any ideas for feeding (I've left him some baby food out this morning without much success and tried fish for the smell)I really think it is his throat that is sore - he goes back to the vet tonight.Michelle, Bramble, Buddy Minstrel
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
Have you tried chilling the food or heating it--chilling is what comes to mind for people. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:46 AM Subject: Bramble can't eat - ideas please Any ideas please Bramble has Calici again after catching it from Buddy as I mentioned last week - his nose is ulcerated and I'm sure his throat is too as he is really hungry and wants his food but can't seem to eat much of it. I've tried mashing it for him but I think his throat is too sore. This has been for 2 days now. His vet had said wait for 5 days on antibiotics last week but the day after I got him on Interferon Omega when he sneezed blood. He has just finished his first 5 injections. He has been more affect the last 2 days so I'm pleased I got him on Interferon again fast. Any ideas for feeding (I've left him some baby food out this morning without much success and tried fish for the smell) I really think it is his throat that is sore - he goes back to the vet tonight. Michelle, Bramble, Buddy Minstrel Michelle
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
Chilling food sounds like it might help make it easier on poor Bramble's throat. Blending, or liquefying might help. He may need you to assist-feed him to help him get started. There's a recipe for liver shake, but I would substitute the tomato/V8 juice, (maybe plain chicken broth?), it would probably be too acidic for a sore throat. Have you tried offering him stuff like ice cream, or sour cream? If you do end up assist-feeding, and he likes yogurt, ice cream, or sour cream, you could offer him those afterward. Cherie, are you reading this? It sounds like this might be what was going on with Snowball, isn't that the name of your kitty with the blood, do you think so? Here's the liver shake recipe from Michelle Lerner: Liver Shake: 1 cup raw liver (chicken or beef, I use chicken) 1 cup fresh carrot juice, tomato juice, or V-8 1/4 cup filtered water 1 raw egg yolk 1 tsp kelp or spirulina Blend until liquid and frothy. If cat will not eat it, syringe 10 cc every 3 hours up to a max of 60 cc/day. I make it in half batches (though use a whole egg yolk), and warm up small amounts for Simon. I had to put it on his lips the first few times to get him to eat it. it is supposed to be complete nutrition. Nina maimaipg wrote: Have you tried chilling the food or heating it--chilling is what comes to mind for people. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:46 AM Subject: Bramble can't eat - ideas please Any ideas please Bramble has Calici again after catching it from Buddy as I mentioned last week - his nose is ulcerated and I'm sure his throat is too as he is really hungry and wants his food but can't seem to eat much of it. I've tried mashing it for him but I think his throat is too sore. This has been for 2 days now. His vet had said wait for 5 days on antibiotics last week but the day after I got him on Interferon Omega when he sneezed blood. He has just finished his first 5 injections. He has been more affect the last 2 days so I'm pleased I got him on Interferon again fast. Any ideas for feeding (I've left him some baby food out this morning without much success and tried fish for the smell) I really think it is his throat that is sore - he goes back to the vet tonight. Michelle, Bramble, Buddy Minstrel Michelle
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
1. Get your vet to give him Immuno-regulin, which you can order cheaply online if he does not have it. I really think it helps them get over infections and viruses faster. 2. To soothe his mouth and throat, syringe him slippery elm syrup. You can get powdered slippery elm at a health food store, or in capsules. Mix it with boiling water (I used capsules and it was 5 capsules to a cup of water, I think) and stir until dissolved. Turn off heat and keep stirring until it has a syrupy consistency. Let it cool down and syringe him a couple of cc's a few times a day-- syringe it slowly so it goes down slowly and coats his throat. I use slippery elm lozenges myself when I have sore throats-- it is a gentle age-old remedy and is fine for cats (also good for diarrhea and constipation and nausea by the way, and has nutrients). 3. I would syringe feed him, something very blended and liquidy, so he does not get sicker from not eating. You might want to do it shortly after giving the slippery elm so his throat feels better. Michelle In a message dated 8/2/2005 4:47:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Any ideas pleaseBramble has Calici again after catching it from Buddy as I mentioned last week - his nose is ulcerated and I'm sure his throat is too as he is really hungry and wants his food but can't seem to eat much of it. I've tried mashing it for him but I think his throat is too sore. This has been for 2 days now. His vet had said wait for 5 days on antibiotics last week but the day after I got him on Interferon Omega when he sneezed blood. He has just finished his first 5 injections. He has been more affect the last 2 days so I'm pleased I got him on Interferon again fast. Any ideas for feeding (I've left him some baby food out this morning without much success and tried fish for the smell)I really think it is his throat that is sore - he goes back to the vet tonight.Michelle, Bramble, Buddy MinstrelMichelle
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
Poor Bramble! He has such bad luck! No newideas here, just wanted to offer some support and good wishes to you and Bramble. Personally, I would force-feed if it is more than 2 days without food. Try and see if he will lick a bit of honey off your finger, that makes my throat feel better sometimes, and it will get a little sugar in his system, so he wont crash from low blood sugar. I've had cats survive on very little force fed Nutri-Cal gel. If you have to force feed, and it hurts him, get some of the most potent stuff you can, so you can do as little as possible, and get as much nutrition in him as you can. JennAdopt a FIV+ cat:http://jenn.rescuegroup.org/FELV/FIV/ ~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.8/61 - Release Date: 8/1/2005
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
I would definitely try a little syringe feeding. A/D food for ill animals easily mixes with water. It may perk up his appetite. Cats who go too long without eating will get Hepatic Lipidosis. Bonnie www.elephants.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, August 2, 2005 3:46 am Subject: Bramble can't eat - ideas please Any ideas please Bramble has Calici again after catching it from Buddy as I mentioned last week - his nose is ulcerated and I'm sure his throat is too as he is really hungry and wants his food but can't seem to eat much of it. I've tried mashing it for him but I think his throat is too sore. This has been for 2 days now. His vet had said wait for 5 days on antibiotics last week but the day after I got him on Interferon Omega when he sneezed blood. He has just finished his first 5 injections. He has been more affect the last 2 days so I'm pleased I got him on Interferon again fast. Any ideas for feeding (I've left him some baby food out this morning without much success and tried fish for the smell) I really think it is his throat that is sore - he goes back to the vet tonight. Michelle, Bramble, Buddy Minstrel Michelle
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
Nutrical is probably the best choice, since it's made for cats. I hadn't heard about giving cats honey, I know there's a reason you're not suppose to give it to human babies, can't remember why though. I think it would be safer to give white Karo corn syrup. That's one of the ingredients in the homemade kitten formula I use, so I know it's safe. Just a little might sooth and energize Bramble enough to want to eat. Prayers for Bramble, Nina Jenn wrote: Poor Bramble! He has such bad luck! No new ideas here, just wanted to offer some support and good wishes to you and Bramble. Personally, I would force-feed if it is more than 2 days without food. Try and see if he will lick a bit of honey off your finger, that makes my throat feel better sometimes, and it will get a little sugar in his system, so he wont crash from low blood sugar. I've had cats survive on very little force fed Nutri-Cal gel. If you have to force feed, and it hurts him, get some of the most potent stuff you can, so you can do as little as possible, and get as much nutrition in him as you can. Jenn Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://jenn.rescuegroup.org/FELV/FIV/ ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.8/61 - Release Date: 8/1/2005
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
Has anyone mentioned valium yet? I haven't caught up with my emails so forgive me if it has already been mentioned. Valium has a weird side effect with cats. It makes them eat like crazy. The downside is that the cat must be restrained in a carrier because they will hallucinate and perhaps harm themselves. This is for desperate measures only--obviously. If it is between life and death, this might be an option.Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nutrical is probably the best choice, since it's made for cats. I hadn't heard about giving cats honey, I know there's a reason you're not suppose to give it to human babies, can't remember why though. I think it would be safer to give white Karo corn syrup. That's one of the ingredients in the homemade kitten formula I use, so I know it's safe. Just a little might sooth and energize Bramble enough to want to eat. Prayers for Bramble,NinaJenn wrote: Poor Bramble! He has such bad luck! No new ideas here, just wanted to offer some support and good wishes to you and Bramble. Personally, I would force-feed if it is more than 2 days without food. Try and see if he will lick a bit of honey off your finger, that makes my throat feel better sometimes, and it will get a little sugar in his system, so he wont crash from low blood sugar. I've had cats survive on very little force fed Nutri-Cal gel. If you have to force feed, and it hurts him, get some of the most potent stuff you can, so you can do as little as possible, and get as much nutrition in him as you can. Jenn Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://jenn.rescuegroup.org/FELV/FIV/ ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil!No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.8/61 - Release Date: 8/1/2005 __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
I think Bramble is already hungry, he doesn't want to eat because of his ulcerated nose and Michelle (Lomax) suspects his throat hurts. We were trying to come up with things that would be soothing. Nina Lewis Faye wrote: Has anyone mentioned valium yet? I haven't caught up with my emails so forgive me if it has already been mentioned. Valium has a weird side effect with cats. It makes them eat like crazy. The downside is that the cat must be restrained in a carrier because they will hallucinate and perhaps harm themselves. This is for desperate measures only--obviously. If it is between life and death, this might be an option.
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
The reason why you don't give it to human babies isbecause honey has been known to contain Botulismspores. Human babies are notorously unhealthy little fragile things. Most cats shouldn't beeffected in any way, even if they do get a dab of contaminated honey. In fact, I can quote the ONLYcase ever known of wherea cat contractedBotulism from eating anything: http://jcm.asm.org/cgi/content/full/42/11/5406 No cases of cats contracting it via honey have everbeen reported. Here's a clip from another webpage on the subject: Botulism: Botulism is caused by Clostridium botulinum. Animals get it from ingesting preformed toxin in contaminated food. Honey is a major source of botulism toxin. There have been no natural cases reported in the cat. Most dogs are relatively resistant, however it is seen in the dog. Dogs with botulism become progressively weaker and weaker until they are unable to stand. They have decreased jaw tone (so the jaw drops), salivate excessively, and have a weak bark. The disease can be diagnosed by finding toxin in blood, feces or organs. Therapy consists of antitoxin and supportive care. Fortunately, dogs can recover. Botulism toxin can be inactivated by heating food to high temperatures (80 degrees Celsius for 30 minutes or 100 degrees Celcius for 10 minutes.) Also, prevent your pet from eating carcasses. That being said, Anything thick and able to coat the throat will help though. Karo is probably safer. Here are some websites that sayhoney is safe, and even recommended for pets: http://www.pets4life.com/index.php?p=research/articles/13 http://www.purelypets.com/articles/epilepsyarticle.htm http://www.homemade4life.com/faqs.html JennAdopt a FIV+ cat:http://jenn.rescuegroup.org/FELV/FIV/ ~~~Nutrical is probably the best choice, since it's made for cats. I hadn't heard about giving cats honey, I know there's a reason you're not suppose to give it to human babies, can't remember why though. I think it would be safer to give white Karo corn syrup. That's one of the ingredients in the homemade kitten formula I use, so I know it's safe. Just a little might sooth and energize Bramble enough to want to eat. Prayers for Bramble,Nina No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.8/61 - Release Date: 8/1/2005
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
It has to be given IV to stimulate appetite. Michelle In a message dated 8/2/2005 12:08:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Has anyone mentioned valium yet? I haven't caught up with my emails so forgive me if it has already been mentioned. Valium has a weird side effect with cats. It makes them eat like crazy. The downside is that the cat must be restrained in a carrier because they will hallucinate and perhaps harm themselves. This is for desperate measures only--obviously. If it is between life and death, this might be an option.
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
Have you tried chilling Just Born or one of the mother's milk products on the market---calories + protein + formulated for catsmaybe mixed with AD - Original Message - From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 12:17 PM Subject: Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please I think Bramble is already hungry, he doesn't want to eat because of his ulcerated nose and Michelle (Lomax) suspects his throat hurts. We were trying to come up with things that would be soothing. Nina Lewis Faye wrote: Has anyone mentioned valium yet? I haven't caught up with my emails so forgive me if it has already been mentioned. Valium has a weird side effect with cats. It makes them eat like crazy. The downside is that the cat must be restrained in a carrier because they will hallucinate and perhaps harm themselves. This is for desperate measures only--obviously. If it is between life and death, this might be an option.
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
My vet gave it orally to a cat of mine and it worked great. However, if the cat is already hungry it seems unnecessary. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 12:25 PM Subject: Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please It has to be given IV to stimulate appetite. Michelle In a message dated 8/2/2005 12:08:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Has anyone mentioned valium yet? I haven't caught up with my emails so forgive me if it has already been mentioned. Valium has a weird side effect with cats. It makes them eat like crazy. The downside is that the cat must be restrained in a carrier because they will hallucinate and perhaps harm themselves. This is for desperate measures only--obviously. If it is between life and death, this might be an option.
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
I have tried clam juice on top of his favorite food as well..or little cottage cheese.. I have to agree with the a/d. I have had good results when someone is off food with the a/d. Also, I have used with good results evap. milk. egg yolk and white karo syrup.. Hope he feels better soon. Kerry and Bandy__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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I forgot to mention that my Bandy is on oxazepam transdermal for appetite stimulant..It seems to be working good with no side effects.. He receives this twice daily..You might ask your vet about that...It really seems to work... Kerry R.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
Actually A/D is very similar to the meat part of Liver Shake that a lot of us have usedI have found that adding a little tomato juice to A/D seems to taste extra good to a cat that is not eating well... Tad Kerry Roach wrote: I have tried clam juice on top of his favorite food as well..or little cottage cheese.. I have to agree with the a/d. I have had good results when someone is off food with the a/d. Also, I have used with good results evap. milk. egg yolk and white karo syrup.. Hope he feels better soon. Kerry and Bandy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Bramble can't eat - ideas please
But if his throat is raw and that is the problem, the tomato juice, while tasting good, would probably sting. I still recommend trying slippery elm for the soreness. Michelle In a message dated 8/2/2005 5:08:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually A/D is very similar to the meat part of Liver Shake that a lot of us have usedI have found that adding a little tomato juice to A/D seems to taste extra good to a cat that is not eating well...Tad
