On Dec 11, 2007, at 5:06 AM, dc wrote:
I simply can't believe that after all these years there's no way in
Finale to space correctly melismas over short values. When you have
a syllable over 4 16ths, for instance, you DON'T want the first
16th to have twice the space of the 3 following
At 07:05 AM 12/11/2007, dc wrote:
I also added a comparison of the PDF output at 1600%, which shows that
Finale's lines no longer appear as a stack of thiner lines.
I'm curious about this. I've seen it discussed here several times,
but I haven't paid full attention, because ultimately it
dc wrote:
Christopher Smith écrit:
I don't seem to be getting the results you are getting, which makes
me think that there is something wrong with the installation.
Just to make sure we're talking about the same thing, I put a few screen
shots here:
http://www.philomela.net/ex/finale.htm
since 2007 finale updates the layout before printing: check your undo
menu after printing. you are right that locking the systems will
avoid this behaviour, but the spacing in some cases will be different
post-printing in comparison to what you were looking at before
sending to print, but
I use a Mac Powerbook G4 Laptop that runs both Classic (OS 9) and OSX
(10.3.9). The ability to run Classic on my computer is necessary for me
to run Finale 2003a (and Microsoft Works 4.0). I would like to be able
to use Finale 2008 on my computer as well, but I would have to upgrade
my
At 09:55 AM 12/11/2007, shirling neueweise wrote:
since 2007 finale updates the layout before printing: check your undo
menu after printing.
Interesting thought, but nothing interesting in my case. I opened a
doc and printed it, and the only thing in the Undo menu was 'Print
Score Dialog'.
dc wrote:
Jari Williamsson écrit:
Regarding the melisma in the Finale 2008 screen shot: it seems like
you have checked Lyrics in the music spacing options? You probably
don't want that in this situation.
You mean avoiding collision of?
Yes, I have that checked. But also in 2007, where I
Two solutions:
(1) For a very melismatic text, you can uncheck Lyrics in
PreferencesMusic Spacing: Avoid collision of. Applied on a global
basis, this can unfortunately lead to some very exciting text underlay.
(2) Leave Lyrics checked, and at the offending melisma use the
Measure Tool to
I'm not sure why you say you would have to upgrade to Leopard. Finale
2008 runs fine under Tiger. Have you tried running it on 10.3? Another
option would be to get a Tiger upgrade off eBay if 10.3 doesn't work.
There is a freeware program called Sheepshaver that will run classic
MacOS in a
dc wrote:
I just can't believe that Finale can't handle melismas!
Finale can handle melismas, it's together with AMS that it won't work.
If you manually decide which spacing should go where and apply it in
region it will work.
Uncheck avoid collision of lyrics causes many more problems
General info for 2008a in Leopard: Trash the Finale prefs and it will
open. Yes, you must rebuild the prefs, but it does work then.
However, M-audio Drivers are not Leopard compatible, so that is an
ancillary problem for me (and maybe some of you) - not a MM problem,
but a warning from
Will I be able to open up my 2003a files in Finale 2008?
Martin Banner
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Chuck,
Thanks for the M-audio driver incompatibility...that's what I use with
my Mac system and Finale. Glad to know before I take the plunge and
purchase 2008. Don't think I'm going to now...
Martin
On Dec 11, 2007, at 11:33 AM, Chuck Israels wrote:
However, M-audio Drivers are not
At 11:32 AM 12/11/2007, Martin Banner wrote:
Will I be able to open up my 2003a files in Finale 2008?
Yes.
Aaron.
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At 11:49 AM 12/11/2007, dc wrote:
what's happening in other parts. And then that would mean selecting each
measure with a melisma, changing the music spacing options, respacing that
measure...
Incidentally, I put in a feature request last year for music spacing
styles which could be applied to
Chuck Israels wrote:
However, M-audio Drivers are not Leopard compatible, so that is an
ancillary problem for me (and maybe some of you) - not a MM problem,
but a warning from them would have been appreciated.
You may find some joy here. Try MidiSportLoader for Mac OS X 10.5.
The free, open
dc wrote:
Jari Williamsson écrit:
Finale can handle melismas, it's together with AMS that it won't work.
If you manually decide which spacing should go where and apply it in
region it will work.
Sorry, but I don't follow you. That's assuming that a whole region would
require the same
At 12:25 PM 12/11/2007, dc wrote:
I've already requested this years ago... But it won't solve the lyrics issue.
Did you get any kind of answer?
The reply was:
The ability to apply music spacing styles, much like Staff Styles,
would be a useful feature. I will add this to our list of features
On the official forum, a number of people are reporting crashing in
Finale 2008a when they try to play with HP on. Sometimes playing the
with All Staves helps and for others, trashing the preferences can
help. The problem shows up most of the time with files started from
older versions of
I have an M-Audio Firewire Audiophile box and it works fine in Leopard
(or at least, as well as it ever did in Tiger -- this is one buggy
piece of hardware, and I'm constantly power cycling the damn thing.
But that's always been the case.)
Cheers,
- Darcy
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Hi Randolph,
YES! Many thanks. This has saved me time, and maybe some money.
Chuck
On Dec 11, 2007, at 9:18 AM, Randolph Peters wrote:
Chuck Israels wrote:
However, M-audio Drivers are not Leopard compatible, so that is an
ancillary problem for me (and maybe some of you) - not a MM
Dennis,
Lyric spacing is exactly the same in Fin2007 as it is in Fin2008, so
going backwards won't help you. However, hyphens are fixed in Fin2008a
(for the first time since Fin2005 or so) so you are much better off
with Fin2008a.
Turning on Avoid Collision of Lyrics has always caused
What M-Audio devices do you have? Have you checked their website and
downloaded the BETA drivers. They have a lot of the drivers in Beta
right now that work with 10.5
Chuck Israels wrote:
General info for 2008a in Leopard: Trash the Finale prefs and it will
open. Yes, you must rebuild the
On 11 Dec 2007 at 15:55, shirling neueweise wrote:
i think it is always best to lock systems anyways,
for various reasons, and always do so after doing the most basic
layout planning.
I used to do that, but now I'm more often using START NEW SYSTEM in
measure properties, instead. The
i don't really see the point, seems like more work and a much more
inflexible result. but if you really want to do it that way, i guess
you could select all and deselect the start new measure checkbox.
should work. of course, you lose ALL new system settings...
I used to do that, but now
Hi Eric,
I checked yesterday and found none, but this patch suggested by
Randolph Peters does work, and everything is going smoothly at the
moment.
I will look at the m-audio site again and stay alert for new drivers.
Thanks,
Chuck
On Dec 11, 2007, at 10:12 AM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
Darcy James Argue wrote:
Lyric spacing is exactly the same in Fin2007 as it is in Fin2008, so
going backwards won't help you.
His point is that TGTools new spacing currently works on Fin2007 but
not on 2008.
Best regards,
Jari Williamsson
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On 11 Dec 2007 at 19:37, shirling neueweise wrote:
[quoting me:]
I used to do that, but now I'm more often using START NEW SYSTEM in
measure properties, instead. The drawback on that is that it doesn't
get cleared when making parts.
i don't really see the point, seems like more work and a
Hi, Everyone...
I'm notating a song in 6/8 time and in one spot it has syncopated
rhythm, and I'm not sure which way is the proper way to notate it!
There are 4 notes in the measure, each getting 1.5 counts - would
this be portrayed with 4 dotted-eighth notes? Or would you do dotted-
Jacki Barineau wrote:
I'm notating a song in 6/8 time and in one spot it has syncopated
rhythm, and I'm not sure which way is the proper way to notate it!
There are 4 notes in the measure, each getting 1.5 counts - would this
be portrayed with 4 dotted-eighth notes? Or would you do
Hi, Jacki --
I'm sure you'll get differing answers, but in that circumstance I nearly always
use four dotted quarters and my community orchestra has had no difficulty
whatsoeverin fact, in last night's rehearsal, we encountered two similar
such circumstances: in a 6/8 passage in my own
Yes, of course: typed too fast!
That SHOULD have been - four dotted EIGHTHS, not quarters.
You'd think I'd know my own work, and particularly when I had to stare at it
just last night.
Best,
Les
Les Marsden
Founding Music Director and Conductor,
The Mariposa Symphony Orchestra
Music and
Four dotted eighths (or four quarters in duplet). You want to make both
the beat and the duple feel clear. The tied version obscures the beat
slightly so you have to use precious (limited in my case) mental energy
for something other than pure music making.
Richard Smith
On 11.12.2007 David W. Fenton wrote:
The reason is because it has an effect on only one system, whereas
locking a system via moving measures with the arrow keys locks *two*
systems (yes, you can select the measures and lock those by
themselves without it locking the adjacent system, but that's
We also last night rehearsed the Williams/Brubaker Harry
Potter Symphonic Suite which presents a single syncopated
6/8 bar containing three quarters - it follows
regularly-pulsed 6/8 bars and created no angst.
That's a hugely different situation, being a straightforward hemiola,
Dennis - I don't know that my mail program is adding the 'garbage.'
Best,
Les
Les Marsden
Founding Music Director and Conductor,
The Mariposa Symphony Orchestra
Music and Mariposa? Ah, Paradise!!!
http://arts-mariposa.org/symphony.html
http://www.geocities.com/~jbenz/lesbio.html
dc wrote:
Jari Williamsson écrit:
If you want to evaluate other software, make sure to check out PriMus.
It was released yesterday. In many areas (such as layout), it's much
much better than Finale or Sibelius, although it also lacks many other
things that you take for granted. But it has
On 11-Dec-07, at 1:19 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 11 Dec 2007 at 15:55, shirling neueweise wrote:
i think it is always best to lock systems anyways,
for various reasons, and always do so after doing the most basic
layout planning.
I used to do that, but now I'm more often using START
On 11-Dec-07, at 3:35 PM, Jacki Barineau wrote:
Hi, Everyone...
I'm notating a song in 6/8 time and in one spot it has syncopated
rhythm, and I'm not sure which way is the proper way to notate it!
There are 4 notes in the measure, each getting 1.5 counts - would
this be portrayed with
At 3:35 PM -0500 12/11/07, Jacki Barineau wrote:
Hi, Everyone...
I'm notating a song in 6/8 time and in one spot it has syncopated
rhythm, and I'm not sure which way is the proper way to notate it!
There are 4 notes in the measure, each getting 1.5 counts - would
this be portrayed with 4
Carl, this is one of my pet peeves w/Finale. What I used to do when
working with extracted parts was to have the mm rests break at the
appropriate point and then add an extra to Coda symbol in each
part. The symbol is actually attached to the 1st measure of the 9
measure rest, which it
On 11 Dec 2007 at 20:21, John Howell wrote:
At 3:35 PM -0500 12/11/07, Jacki Barineau wrote:
I'm notating a song in 6/8 time and in one spot it has syncopated
rhythm, and I'm not sure which way is the proper way to notate it!
There are 4 notes in the measure, each getting 1.5 counts -
On 11 Dec 2007 at 23:29, Owain Sutton wrote:
We also last night rehearsed the Williams/Brubaker Harry
Potter Symphonic Suite which presents a single syncopated
6/8 bar containing three quarters - it follows
regularly-pulsed 6/8 bars and created no angst.
That's a hugely different
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Jacki Barineau wrote:
I'm notating a song in 6/8 time and in one spot
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