in certain measures caused this problem.
On 6/6/2010 10:21 AM, Christopher Smith wrote:
On Sun Jun 6, at SundayJun 6 9:00 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
To be fair, about half of that time was caused by two bugs -- one
that crashed Finale any time I tried to start playback from other
than measure 1
that by hand.
I have not used any of the scripting language. Is this the sort of
thing that could be done with a script?
On 6/6/2010 10:39 AM, Aaron Sherber wrote:
On 6/6/2010 9:00 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
The upshot is that for Finale to be taken serious as a rendering tool,
it needs
I assume you aren't in a position to pay for a big upgrade to bring your
Finale license current.
How about Finale Notepad? That is 10 bucks and gets you up to the
current code level. Unless you are doing some really heavy work, this
probably has all the features you would want to use.
On
I think the answer is it cannot be done but I'll ask the question anyway.
I have been working with an old score this evening because the composer
would like to have a realistic playback file available. I converted
everything to Garritan sounds. With a bit of tweaking to the score, it
is a
Maybe I should describe more completely what I'm trying to accomplish.
I often write charts for combos or big bands. For me, Finale is all
about getting the notation clear for the live performance. My only
interest in the realistic playback is to help me catch errors and
improve the flow of
The drum groove plug-in is useful. However, the system comes with a
rather limited set of grooves/ The documentation says we can add
grooves simply by dropping additional MIDI files into the folder.
Has anybody complied some additional drum grooves? For example, I could
see additional
Clearly it affects a subset of the base, and apparently that is a small
subset. But it is big enough to be a serious concern because it spans
machine architectures and is manifesting both as a crash and a hang.
Just out of curiosity, I wonder if anyone else having the problem
happens to use
the problem is fairly
pervasive.
David McKay wrote:
Is this happening on Macs and PCs or only on Macs?
Sounds scary.
Sibelius, anybody?
David McKay
2009/11/8 Craig Parmerlee cr...@acticalc.com
I applied the 2010A updater. After that, the program crashes whenever I
try to enter notes
I applied the 2010A updater. After that, the program crashes whenever I
try to enter notes with speedy edit.
Has anybody else experienced this problem?
I guess I'll have to wipe out the installation and go back to a fresh
install of the base system.
Slightly off this topic, does Sibelius have anything comparable to
Finale's managed parts? That feature of Finale is unbelievably
powerful. It elegantly solves one of the biggest time wasters: managing
separate files for extracted parts. This relates to the selection tool
because you can
This is happening on all my 2010 projects and it is driving me nuts. It
never happened at 2009 but a collaborator has started using 2010, so I
must use the same. It is worst when playing back an individual part by
doing ctrl-spacebar while flying the mouse over the notes in question.
Any
David W. Fenton wrote:
On 30 May 2009 at 20:26, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
The obvious solution is to program each release such that it can read
future files but simply ignore any elements it doesn't recognize. If
Finale worked this way, I would automatically purchase every upgrade
they make that decision at their own
peril because for people like me, it makes me less likely to buy every
upgrade.
David W. Fenton wrote:
On 31 May 2009 at 14:04, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
It is absolutely
routine. Today, with inherently extensible formats like XML, you would
have to go
As I see it, Finale has created a climate of resistance to their
upgrades. The bugs are one factor, but for me, the much bigger factor
is the lack of file-level compatibility across releases. 100 bucks for
an upgrade is not much of an issue for me, even if the feature set were
marginal. The
really dug into that.
Darcy James Argue wrote:
Hi Craig,
Use expressions.
- Darcy
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On 28 Nov 2008, at 5:29 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
It is common in lead sheets to parenthesize optional or less
important chord changes. It is especially common to do
Darcy James Argue wrote:
Use chords for the chords and expressions for the parentheses!
Leigh Daniels wrote:
I just thought of one way that might work which I'll try when next I
meet a transposing instrument. Create a five-stave score with the
correct transpositions assigned to the staves
It is common in lead sheets to parenthesize optional or less important
chord changes. It is especially common to do this in the last bar of
the chorus to denote the turnaround chords if playing multiple
choruses. I can't find any obvious way to put parentheses around those
chords.
Any
I tried to build a new big band score last night using the JABB
library. For some of the instruments I had to go with SoftSynth. It
took me three tries to get the score built, without my system kept
locking up. And once I did get the score built, it locked up when I
tried to play the score.
Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
On Wed, August 27, 2008 8:24 pm, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
Is anybody else running a two-monitor system where the desktop spans the
two monitors? I'd like to know how widespread the problem is. It could
be something very specific to my monitor #2, which is very large
is Windows XP, Finale 2009
Craig Parmerlee wrote:
Well, this problem is still not resolved. I ended up reinstalling the
operating system. Everything is fine when I install Finale 2009. But
as soon as I install the Garritan JABB library (with Kontact et al),
Finale 2009 breaks, and won't show me
there who is running Windows XP, Garritan JABB
library, and Finale 2009? If so, does you right-click work?
Craig Parmerlee wrote:
In case anybody has similar problems, here is the solution from
Finale. Evidently I had an INI file get corrupted. I haven't tested
this yet, but it makes sense
of thing, but is your mouse
installed correctly?
Raymond Horton
Craig Parmerlee wrote:
I went back and installed F2009 from scratch. Before doing that, I
uninstalled F2007 and F2009 so there was no Finale on my system at
all. After the fresh install, still no context menus when I right
click
2009)
4. Find the Finale.ini file. This file will have the file type of
configuration settings.
5. Delete it.
6. Find the finmidi.ini file. This file will also have the file type of
Configuration Settings.
7. Delete it.
8. Now run Finale.
Craig Parmerlee wrote:
Yes, I believe so
XP?
Chuck Israels wrote:
Craig,
Sounds like something is wrong to me. Those things should be there.
Chuck
On Aug 16, 2008, at 4:52 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
Well, something must be wrong with my system. I'm not getting
context menus for ANY object now. I'm pretty sure that existed
. I guess I'll
open a ticket with Finale.
Jari Williamsson wrote:
Craig Parmerlee wrote:
Can anybody confirm that they get context menus on Finale 2009
installed on Windows XP?
Yes, I get context menus on WinXP (SP2) and Fin2009.
mvh/
Jari W
I don't know, but they are.
John Howell wrote:
At 11:10 PM -0400 8/15/08, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
Well, the documentation is, what, about 10,000 pages? The linked
part documentation is not the first place I would have looked. I
would have been looking with futility in the text tool book
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Brooklyn, NY
On 15 Aug 2008, at 11:10 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
Well, the documentation is, what, about 10,000 pages? The linked
part documentation is not the first place I would have looked. I
would have been looking with futility in the text tool book.
At some point, I
The staff separators plug-in (on F2009) is great. I've always wanted to
do this. However I am having a problem that the separators are also
showing up on the linked parts. There are unwanted there, of course. I
see no way to prevent them from being added to the individual parts.
Next best
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Brooklyn, NY
On 15 Aug 2008, at 1:32 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
The staff separators plug-in (on F2009) is great. I've always wanted
to do this. However I am having a problem that the separators are
also showing up on the linked parts. There are unwanted there, of
course. I see
Darcy James Argue wrote:
If the sounds could be mixed with other synthesizer voices, then
definitely it would be used a lot,
Garrtian instruments can be combined with the SoftSynth sounds, and
(in Fin2009) with any other AU/VST sounds.
I tried that suggestion. It worked, but only to a
I just got a 28 monitor from Best Buys for $550ish. I am on the road
today so I can't tell you the brand and model. The resolution is the
same as the 25 monitors (1920 x 1200) which makes the feature sizes
larger and easier to read. I love this thing. The only issue is that
the screen
of my payment to Finale went to Garritan.
dhbailey wrote:
Craig Parmerlee wrote:
I wonder if Garritan receives ANY licensing fees for being included
in the distribution. As we have been discussing, what they supply is
artificially limited, practically forcing you to go out and spend a
bunch
The avoidance of the trigger is mostly about tradition more than
anything else, and also that the number of instrument choices is
limited. Probably 95% of the trigger trombones in existence are large
bore symphonic tenors, which really shouldn't be used in a big band.
But last night I played
I wonder if Garritan receives ANY licensing fees for being included in
the distribution. As we have been discussing, what they supply is
artificially limited, practically forcing you to go out and spend a
bunch of money with Garritan to address those deficiencies. I'm not
saying that is bad
Two things:
1) You are mixing bore size with instrument length. 95+% of instruments
with the F attachment use a large symphonic bore. It is the bore size,
and not the presence of an F attachment, that causes NYC jazz players to
bring the straight horns. Most of them probably do NOT own a
on their horn.
The full JABB set has a proper bass trombone in addition to the four
tenor trombones.
Cheers,
- Darcy
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On 8 Aug 2008, at 11:04 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
I have not noticed any problems so far playing the included Garritan
sounds on the Aria
, NY
On 6 Aug 2008, at 4:35 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
I have a dual core AMD 2.6 GHz with 2GB. That ought to exceed their
recommendations by a wide margin.
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I have been thinking about buying the full GPO and JABB libraries. As I
understand it, that means I would be relying on the Kontact player. Is
that correct? Dos that mean my system would slow down considerably?
Allen Fisher wrote:
This has a lot to do with the Aria Player. It's much more
as well. I'd go over to Garritan.com and check out the computer
specs they recommend to run the products.
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 10:21 AM, Craig Parmerlee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have been thinking about buying the full GPO and JABB libraries. As I
understand it, that means I would
Set it to French Horn. They are usually a quarter tone flat. :)
Leigh Daniels wrote:
Hello All,
I'm working on piece which has a cello one quarter-tone below a violin.
Is there a way to get FinMac2008b to make the cello play a quarter-tone
flat? I'm using the full GPO.
**Leigh
written a plug-in that would scan the document and say hey, too
many staff lists - WB will be upset! if it were just the publ houses.
Sorry. As a long-time program project manager, this is a hot button for me.
Craig Parmerlee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wonder if we should be giving them
I wonder if we should be giving them some benefit of the doubt on this
subject. As a professional software designer for 35 years, it seems
entirely plausible to me that they may have faced a point where
preserving unlimited staff names, in combination with other new
features. would have taken
dhbailey wrote:
But dumping the midi file into Sonar won't help a person who is using
the Garritan sounds which come with Finale -- he didn't say he had
purchased the JABB set from Garritan. He has simply made use of the
newly included samples from JABB which were incorporated in the
A little follow-up question for Chuck or anybody else who knows the answer.
If I purchase the full JABB package and set my instruments under
Kontact, are those settings saved with my Finale score? In other words
the next time I open that score, it will have the same instruments I
assigned
COOL!!! Thanks
OK. One more nit-picky question. I am confused about the pricing.
This page says it is $249.
http://www.garritan.com/jazz.html
This page says it is $199.
https://www.garritan.com/order.php
Anybody know what's up with that? I don't suppose they offer an upgrade
price for
In the plug-ins menu, there is a plug-in for MiBAC Rhythm Section
Generator. This could be very useful for maying down a quick bed, even
if it isn't the sort of track you would want in the final version. But
there are only 4 styles presently. I'm working on a chart that needs a
funky groove
I just installed F2009, moving from 2007. 2007 never had the jazz
instruments, so I never used the Garritan sounds. One of the primary
reasons I upgraded was to get the more realistic playback on big band
charts.
I have created a simple score from the Finale setup wizard, letting it
set
I haven't figured out how to turn down the reverb with F2009. Is it a
setting in the Aria player?
It sounds as if my expectations were too high with the Garritan sounds.
Having listened to the orchestra samples, the Finale website implied
strongly that you enter the score, turn on Human
2008, at 3:42 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
To my ears, it sounds pretty much like the regular synth sounds, only
with a lot more reverb.
The Garritan sounds are recorded dry. Reverb settings are controlled
by the Ambience Reverb plugin (still not available by default on Intel
Macs
Well, I am still a little confused. I did find the mixer window and saw
the reverb controls. There seems to be a pull-down list for room size,
but it doesn't work. I wonder if that is only available with
SoftSynth. I'm not sure the reverb control does anything here either.
Meanwhile, I
Yes, yes, yes. This is absolutely true. Tyler, I'm glad you were able
to articulate this fundamental issue so clearly. That summarizes 10
years of frustration for me.
I have worked in the software business for 30+ years and pretty open to
learning curve issues. I feel like I have been
may need to remind them that you exist.
Craig Parmerlee wrote:
I take it from the various messages here that many of you have
received F2009 already. I put in an order 11 days ago. They ran my
credit card at the time, but there is no tracking number yet, implying
that they haven't actually
I take it from the various messages here that many of you have received
F2009 already. I put in an order 11 days ago. They ran my credit card
at the time, but there is no tracking number yet, implying that they
haven't actually shipped it.
Is this normal?
Most businesses don't run your
Gary Griffiths wrote:
Thank you Darcy and Hiro - Yes I have tried reducing that, no change. Also
tried reducing volume in instrument list window and Base Velocity in
Playback options (what is the difference in these two settings?) and volume
in Windows sound Properties. Shouldn't these all be
In the Windows version, *ALL* of the techniques you mentioned mess up
the left margin.
Just to put this in some perspective, maybe I can describe the project
where it became completely maddening, in hopes that somebody from Finale
might gain a better appreciation for why attention to the user
No, that is not how it is working for me. So I guess I don't have the
slightest idea what YOU are talking about.
Any time you change the zoom levels, for example, the margin goes all
the way back to the left. There are many other very routine options
that also send the margin back to the
I agree with all of that, and let me just reiterate that the margin
ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT stay put. Changing the zoom level puts it back to
the left for certain, and there are other operates that do likewise.
I'm not on my Finale machine right now, so I can't enumerate the other
cases that
Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 05 Aug 2005, at 8:25 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
I agree with all of that, and let me just reiterate that the margin
ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT stay put [when zooming in and out].
On my system, it ABSOLUTELY DOES. Is this a Windows problem or
something?
- Darcy
OK, this is one that has bugged me no end for 10 years. But tonight it
seems to be driving me crazy more than usual.
In scroll view, Finale displays the staff names to the left of the
staff. But the spacing is such that most of the staff name disappears
off the left of the screen. It makes
A number of people have been disappointed (or even outraged) and the
reality of GPO with this release. It is a hack job that is not
integrated in any stretch of that word. For people who are willing to
spend hours fiddling with their equipment in order to make the most
realistic rendering of
Matthew Hindson Fastmail Account wrote:
Craig Parmerlee wrote:
[snip]
Having said that, there are many subtle improvements in the basic
product that, cumulatively, justify an upgrade IMHO. I haven't been
keeping a list, but I've already come across a dozen or so things
that make life
Aaron Sherber wrote:
- New controls for default placement of articulations.
Really? I haven't noticed this. What do you see now that wasn't
there before?
Maybe nothing. This stuff might have been in 2005, but it seems more
extensive to me.
Here's the biggie. I just extracted a
David W. Fenton wrote:
On 31 Jul 2005 at 1:32, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
[re: GPO:]
For people who are willing to
spend hours fiddling with their equipment in order to make the most
realistic rendering of a symphony orchestra, maybe it has some merit.
First off, I don't have Finale
Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 31 Jul 2005, at 5:22 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
Unless you want to do something more than sit back and admire the
beauty of your creation. If you are trying to share the score and
send MIDI demos over the net, for example, you are going to be
farting around
Tyler Turner wrote:
Hi Craig,
Darcy mentioned it, but I just want to make sure you
caught it. For new compositions that you create with
the setup wizard, you don't have to do any GPO setup.
It's automatically done (and that's a major part of
the integration). For older files, yes, you will
Anybody have success playing click tracks while using GPO? This doesn't
seem to work for me, which makes it impossible to use Hyperscribe with GPO.
Is there any practical way to convert an older score to use GPO? I read
the documentation on this and the procedure is truly horrendous. It
Gerald Berg wrote:
An hour! Should I be so lucky. A month is more like it.
Jerry
I meant per track. :)
Really, that is about the crappiest integration I have seen in the
past 15 years. It took me 20 minutes just to register the GPO feature.
The GPO website is pushing the frontiers of
Christopher Smith wrote:
I think the best way is to copy the old score into a newly-created
GPO-friendly template. Obviously, there would be WAY too many tweaks
to make it look good, too, so it would just be for playback. For the
expressions to playback, you would have to delete all the
Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 29 Jul 2005, at 12:09 PM, Christopher Smith wrote:
And dynamics? Tempo markings? Are they handled automatically, too?
They were handled automatically in 2k5 as well (provided you have
Optimized for GPO checked).
2k6 has an auto-detect option for GPO, making
Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
Ok ... so I'd like to hear someone else confirm that the GPO sounds
are no better at all than standard soundfonts. True? No? What's the
concensus?
I won't say they're no better, but I surely don't understand the fuss
unless you are using Finale strictly as a
Craig Parmerlee wrote:
First, let me apologize to Johannes for the incorrect quotation line in
my earlier message.
dhbailey quoted Craig Parmerlee saying:
[snip]
As users who have a vested interest in Finale surviving, we cannot
solve the software problems for them. But we can buy
David W. Fenton wrote:
On 22 Jul 2005 at 18:03, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
Last year, we fought ferociously to get
ourselves out of the legacy problem -- advancing our platform 15 years
in the course of 12 months. Now we are determined to take full
advantage of the productivity that comes
Maybe there's some fluff, maybe not. But they hit the two biggest
product defects, IMHO: tuplets and repeats. If they even got those
halfway right, 90 bucks for that is a no-brainer. I'll make that up in
productivity savings on the very first project. And if, by some stroke
of good
Dan Rupert wrote:
I'm not sure what Finale version you're using but it shows up in
articulation slot #13 for me (WinFin04).
It has a somewhat deceptive appearance to me in the Articulation DB as I
expect it to look longer. Once you place it in the staff, however, it
extends as far as you need it
Aaron Sherber wrote:
I *don't* want to jump ship; that's the problem. Finale fits the way I
work much better than Sibelius does. (Though frankly, if Sibelius
offered Speedy Entry and Scroll View, at this point I would probably
switch.)
Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?
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