Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 31 Jul 2005, at 2:32 PM, ronan wrote:
Or if you are planning on sharing your file with someone whose computer
resources are small enough that he/she is only using soundfont playback
(yes I know that's midi output, but not to some uninitiated Finale users
-- to them
Chuck Israels wrote:
On Jul 31, 2005, at 1:17 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
I agree, and thanks for pointing it out! I understand that this GPO
thing is very confusing to newcomers -- much more confusing than it
needs to be.
MakeMusic should pay someone ([ahem] like, say, me) to write
At 07:26 AM 08/01/2005, dhbailey wrote:
And for someone using an external playback device with 16 channels? How
will having channels 1-8 and 17-24 be responded to on a device which
only recognizes 1-16?
David, take a look at some of my other responses to Darcy. A GPO slot
is not the same thing
Aaron Sherber / 2005/08/01 / 09:15 AM wrote:
percussion, which require MIDI 10.
This is the one got me messed up yesterday. Would you elaborate why
percussion needs to be ch10? Un-pitched instrument reserved for ch10 is
only for GM protocol, and none of sampler including GPO should be
At 09:43 AM 08/01/2005, A-NO-NE Music wrote:
Aaron Sherber / 2005/08/01 / 09:15 AM wrote:
percussion, which require MIDI 10.
This is the one got me messed up yesterday. Would you elaborate why
percussion needs to be ch10? Un-pitched instrument reserved for ch10 is
only for GM protocol,
Yes,
Aaron Sherber wrote:
At 07:26 AM 08/01/2005, dhbailey wrote:
And for someone using an external playback device with 16 channels? How
will having channels 1-8 and 17-24 be responded to on a device which
only recognizes 1-16?
David, take a look at some of my other responses to Darcy. A GPO
On Mon, 1 Aug 2005, dhbailey wrote:
Interestingly enough, changing the setting to be OMNI, and GPO responds
to any channel edits I make in Instrument List. However, if you load
two different patches and assign them both to OMNI, you get one sound or
the other for all your staves (I added a
At 11:09 AM 08/01/2005, dhbailey wrote:
I just spent a very frustrating half-hour before I realized that the
place to change channels isn't the instrument list but is the
keyboard-like interface of the VST setup
Yes, that was in one of my earlier posts.
However, when I edit that, a comparable
On 01 Aug 2005, at 7:26 AM, dhbailey wrote:
And for someone using an external playback device with 16 channels?
They will have to use the Finale SoundFont.
But for whatever reason, if sharing a file with them, changes will
have to be made. Changes which won't work with GPO.
Or you could
On 30 Jul 2005, at 6:16 PM, John Hughes wrote:
I can only surmise that for some reason the problem remains with me.
Although, for the life of me I can't see any alterative (that works)
to the way I have things set up at the moment.
Well, how *do* you have things set up at the moment?
MIDI
ronan wrote:
I just finished setting up a symphonic score with 40 instruments, using
Finale with the full version of GPO. I have each percussion instrument set
to a different channel. Eg, Snare: 67; tamtam = 68, etc. They play back
beautifully.
BTW, I didn't bother with midi assignments. I
- Original Message -
From: Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: finale@shsu.edu
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 12:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO
On 30 Jul 2005, at 6:16 PM, John Hughes wrote:
I can only surmise that for some reason the problem remains with me
On 31 Jul 2005, at 12:11 PM, John Hughes wrote:
I'm sorry you're taking this so hard Darcy. Why do you come out
swinging?
I'm not coming out swinging, John. I'm trying to help you. I asked
you how your GPO was set up and you started talking about your MIDI
Setup, which is completely
Based
on this answer, it's entirely possible John is very confused and
getting Finale softsynth sounds instead of GPO sounds, which would
explain his disappointment with the sound quality.
I read it the same way too, which was why I was suprised that John took
offence, I didn't think it
Troup [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: finale@shsu.edu
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO
On 30 Jul 2005, at 6:16 PM, John Hughes wrote:
I can only surmise that for some reason the problem remains with me.
Although, for the life of me I can't see any alterative
John,
You can't post attachments to the list. You need to send it privately
to Tyler Turner's email.
- Darcy
-
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Brooklyn, NY
On 31 Jul 2005, at 1:32 PM, John Hughes wrote:
Hi Simon ,
Tyler Turner kindly offered to do that very thing. I replied
immediately enclosing
John Hughes schrieb:
Hi Simon ,
Tyler Turner kindly offered to do that very thing. I replied immediately
enclosing with an attachment of one of my files, but it hasn't been
delivered yet. It is being held for moderator approval because the size
is overt the limit.
Well, let's hope it
Or if you are planning on sharing your file with someone whose computer
resources are small enough that he/she is only using soundfont playback
(yes I know that's midi output, but not to some uninitiated Finale users
-- to them it's just another means of sound production).
Thus the need for
On 31 Jul 2005, at 2:32 PM, ronan wrote:
Or if you are planning on sharing your file with someone whose computer
resources are small enough that he/she is only using soundfont playback
(yes I know that's midi output, but not to some uninitiated Finale
users
-- to them it's just another means
Thanks, Hiro.
- Original Message -
From: A-NO-NE Music [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: finale@shsu.edu
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO
John Hughes / 2005/07/31 / 01:57 PM wrote:
I had no idea of the
existence of VST (I still don't know what
On 31 Jul 2005, at 3:37 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote:
Ahhh.another *extremely* important and confusing thing that
doesn't appear to be in the manual: You can assign a different slot to
an instrument in GPO than the MIDI channel number. This, for me, was
the missing link, and it explains how
On 31 Jul 2005, at 4:28 PM, dennis c. wrote:
A stupid question while I'm at it: could GPO be of any use at all for
vocal music?
Not really at this point. But if you have AU-compatible choral samples
(or, at least ones that use the Kontakt Player), you could combine
those with accompaniment
On 31 Jul 2005 at 10:11, John Hughes wrote:
I'm sorry you're taking this so hard Darcy. Why do you come out
swinging?
Blimey! if I ever thought I was upsetting anybody I wouldn't have
appealed to the group with my problem. Fortunately there are some
wonderful, helpful people on the list
On 31 Jul 2005 at 12:46, Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 31 Jul 2005, at 12:11 PM, John Hughes wrote:
I'm sorry you're taking this so hard Darcy. Why do you come out
swinging?
I'm not coming out swinging, John. I'm trying to help you. I asked
you how your GPO was set up and you started
On 31 Jul 2005, at 5:11 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 31 Jul 2005 at 10:11, John Hughes wrote:
I'm sorry you're taking this so hard Darcy. Why do you come out
swinging?
Blimey! if I ever thought I was upsetting anybody I wouldn't have
appealed to the group with my problem. Fortunately there
At 04:17 PM 07/31/2005, Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 31 Jul 2005, at 3:37 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote:
I think instrument loading shouldn't take place until you click the
Play through VST option.
But that's checked by default (as it should be!) when you set up a
score using Finale GPO Edition
When do maintenance releases usually appear, and are we charged for
them?
Dean
On Jul 30, 2005, at 4:21 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote:
At 06:40 PM 07/30/2005, dhbailey wrote:
Which brings up the question as to why the Ambience Reverb doesn't
give
us Room Sizes to choose from, at least on the
On 31 Jul 2005, at 5:58 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote:
At 04:17 PM 07/31/2005, Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 31 Jul 2005, at 3:37 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote:
I think instrument loading shouldn't take place until you click the
Play through VST option.
But that's checked by default (as it should be!)
On Jul 31, 2005, at 1:17 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:I agree, and thanks for pointing it out! I understand that this GPO thing is very confusing to newcomers -- much more confusing than it needs to be.MakeMusic should pay someone ([ahem] like, say, me) to write a simple, easy-to-understand
At 06:41 PM 07/31/2005, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
When do maintenance releases usually appear,
For the last few years, there has been an 'a' version that comes out
after three months or so, to fix things that were broken in the
original release.
and are we charged for
them?
No.
Aaron.
At 07:02 PM 07/31/2005, Darcy James Argue wrote:
No. That's the wrong place for it. It should be a Program Option, as
I said.
You're right -- I wrote this reply before I saw your other post.
Aaron.
___
Finale mailing list
Finale@shsu.edu
Thanks Aaron.
Dean
On Jul 31, 2005, at 5:38 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote:
At 06:41 PM 07/31/2005, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
When do maintenance releases usually appear,
For the last few years, there has been an 'a' version that comes out
after three months or so, to fix things that were broken in
--- Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Good explanation Tyler ... now, how do you feel
about the GPO sounds?
Are they as good as the samples provided on the MM
site, or not? And
if not, what gives? Also, I've just received the
following message:
Dear Finale Macintosh
Eric Dannewitz wrote:
Totally agree. I really think the GPO thing is fluff. I'd rather see
Finale get better at importing Midi files. I hate when a Midi that I've
done in Digital Performer does not come across correctly in Finale. It
happens all the time. It's frustrating, and wastes time.
Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 29 Jul 2005, at 9:06 PM, John Hughes wrote:
Mine sound just awful. I bought Fin2006 purely on the promise that I
could at last hear my work sound something like real. But I'm afraid I
was very disappointed. The same with Finale's HP. I could never use it.
You
Tyler Turner wrote:
Hi Craig,
Darcy mentioned it, but I just want to make sure you
caught it. For new compositions that you create with
the setup wizard, you don't have to do any GPO setup.
It's automatically done (and that's a major part of
the integration). For older files, yes, you will
ronan wrote:
I admit I was somewhat disappointed with the Finale/GPO instruments. To me
they didn't sound much better than the Softsynths. But I just got the patch
so I can use the full GPO and I've got all those wonderful sounds back.
There is a huge difference between the generic solo violin
Darcy James Argue wrote:
[snip]
Some people seem to have wildly unrealistic expectations of what GPO
is. It is *not* a massive, high-end sample library suitable for
professional film scoring. It will *not* fool anybody (or at least, not
anybody on this list) into thinking that they are
I have played around some more with the GPO and I will admit that its
sounds really are an improvement over the soundfont. A large
improvement? No. But an improvement nonetheless.
Worth the majority of the upgrade development effort? No.
Does anybody else notice that the green playback
Tyler Turner wrote:
Hi Craig,
Darcy mentioned it, but I just want to make sure you
caught it. For new compositions that you create with
the setup wizard, you don't have to do any GPO setup.
It's automatically done (and that's a major part of
the integration). For older files, yes, you will
- Original Message -
From: Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: finale@shsu.edu
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO
On 29 Jul 2005, at 9:06 PM, John Hughes wrote:
Mine sound just awful. I bought Fin2006 purely on the promise that I
could
Thanks.
Dean
On Jul 30, 2005, at 12:29 AM, Tyler Turner wrote:
--- Dean M. Estabrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Good explanation Tyler ... now, how do you feel
about the GPO sounds?
Are they as good as the samples provided on the MM
site, or not? And
if not, what gives? Also, I've just
Eric Dannewitz wrote:
Totally agree. I really think the GPO thing is fluff. I'd rather see
Finale get better at importing Midi files. I hate when a Midi that
I've
done in Digital Performer does not come across correctly in Finale. It
happens all the time. It's frustrating, and wastes time.
On 30 Jul 2005, at 12:27 PM, John Hughes wrote:
- Original Message - From: Darcy James Argue
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mine sound just awful. I bought Fin2006 purely on the promise that I
could at last hear my work sound something like real. But I'm afraid
I was very disappointed. The same
On 30 Jul 2005, at 7:06 AM, dhbailey wrote:
Tyler Turner wrote:
Hi Craig,
Darcy mentioned it, but I just want to make sure you
caught it. For new compositions that you create with
the setup wizard, you don't have to do any GPO setup.
It's automatically done (and that's a major part of
the
Ok ... just installed 2006 w/out any problems I can detect. Messed
around with a couple of instruments in GPO (Eng. Hrn. and Cl.) in a
little duet I wrote. I think the quality of the sounds and human
playback are excellent, as promised. However, when I added a couple of
more instruments, as
- Original Message -
From: Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: finale@shsu.edu
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO
On 30 Jul 2005, at 12:27 PM, John Hughes wrote:
- Original Message - From: Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED
On 30 Jul 2005, at 3:02 PM, John Hughes wrote:
The trumpet, for a start, sounds absolutely nothing like a trumpet. I
am a trumpet player and the sound I hear really offends me.
Everyone's always biased towards their own instrument. Johannes has
said that the solo violins sound nothing like
Of course you'd like it to work with MusicXML. Isn't that YOUR company?
Where is the guess work in MIDI files? Example, I can do something in
Digital Performer, load it into Logic, and it looks the same. Triplets
come out as triplets. Etc. But I load the same file into Finale, and the
triplet
Where is the guess work in MIDI files? Example, I can do something in
Digital Performer, load it into Logic, and it looks the same.
Triplets come out as triplets. Etc. But I load the same file into
Finale, and the triplet comes out wrong.
Hi eric
I'm intrigued, if you have a moment send me a
Where is the setting for Ambiance Reverb? I've missed it somehow.
MIDI Native Instruments AU SetUp Ambience Reverb Edit
It's at the bottom of the dialog box.
Simon Troup
Digital Music Art
___
Finale mailing list
Finale@shsu.edu
Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
Ok ... just installed 2006 w/out any problems I can detect. Messed
around with a couple of instruments in GPO (Eng. Hrn. and Cl.) in a
little duet I wrote. I think the quality of the sounds and human
playback are excellent, as promised. However, when I added a
- Original Message -
From: Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: finale@shsu.edu
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO
On 30 Jul 2005, at 3:02 PM, John Hughes wrote:
The trumpet, for a start, sounds absolutely nothing like a trumpet. I am
I thought so myself, and it is on channel 10, but still the piano
sounds. Now, interestingly enough, when I tried Hyperscrive in GPO,
the countoff and click sound was automatically a percussion sound (kind
of like a triangle, I think).
H ..
Dean
On Jul 30, 2005, at 3:08 PM, dhbailey
Eric Dannewitz wrote:
Of course you'd like it to work with MusicXML. Isn't that YOUR company?
Where is the guess work in MIDI files? Example, I can do something in
Digital Performer, load it into Logic, and it looks the same. Triplets
come out as triplets. Etc. But I load the same file into
On 30 Jul 2005 at 15:27, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
I thought so myself, and it is on channel 10, but still the piano
sounds. Now, interestingly enough, when I tried Hyperscrive in GPO,
the countoff and click sound was automatically a percussion sound
(kind of like a triangle, I think). H
Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
Darcy:
Where is the setting for Ambiance Reverb? I've missed it somehow.
Under Midi, click on Native Instruments VST Setup. There is a checkbox
at the bottom called Ambiance Reverb. There is an edit button next to
it. Click the EDIT button and you can then
Yes, I could ... not a problem. It's just that when inputting in
soundfont, via Hyperscribe, it's easier to deal with a percussive
sound, which I haven't been able to get yet. If I understand your
question correctly.
Thanks,
Dean
On Jul 30, 2005, at 3:46 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
On
Got it,
Thanks,
Dean
On Jul 30, 2005, at 3:46 PM, dhbailey wrote:
Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
Darcy:
Where is the setting for Ambiance Reverb? I've missed it somehow.
Under Midi, click on Native Instruments VST Setup. There is a
checkbox at the bottom called Ambiance Reverb. There is an
At 06:40 PM 07/30/2005, dhbailey wrote:
Which brings up the question as to why the Ambience Reverb doesn't give
us Room Sizes to choose from, at least on the Windows side of things?
Is that something to be expected in the maintenance release as well?
Yes, according to Winsupport.
Aaron.
thanks,
John
- Original Message -
From: dhbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: finale@shsu.edu
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO
Darcy James Argue wrote:
John, they are exactly the same instruments you heard on the Finale
website
-
From: dhbailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: July 30, 2005 6:08 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO
Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
Ok ... just installed 2006 w/out any problems I can detect. Messed
around with a couple of instruments in GPO (Eng. Hrn. and Cl
Well, my copy arrived, and installed, and eventually got GPO registered
and Finale registered.
Can anybody explain why soundfont instruments playback at one volume
while Kontakt instruments playback so much louder? With all the volume
controls set to the same?
Can anybody explain why the
Ok ... so I'd like to hear someone else confirm that the GPO sounds are
no better at all than standard soundfonts. True? No? What's the
concensus?
Dean
On Jul 29, 2005, at 1:58 PM, dhbailey wrote:
Well, my copy arrived, and installed, and eventually got GPO
registered and Finale
Um, GPO sounds a lot better overall. I'm a little disappointed that
Smart Music doesn't use the GPO yet. I'd love to ditch the lame piano it
uses in favor of the Steinway in GPO.
Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
Ok ... so I'd like to hear someone else confirm that the GPO sounds
are no better at
Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
Ok ... so I'd like to hear someone else confirm that the GPO sounds
are no better at all than standard soundfonts. True? No? What's the
concensus?
I won't say they're no better, but I surely don't understand the fuss
unless you are using Finale strictly as a
Totally agree. I really think the GPO thing is fluff. I'd rather see
Finale get better at importing Midi files. I hate when a Midi that I've
done in Digital Performer does not come across correctly in Finale. It
happens all the time. It's frustrating, and wastes time.
Craig Parmerlee
]
To: finale@shsu.edu
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO
Ok ... so I'd like to hear someone else confirm that the GPO sounds are no
better at all than standard soundfonts. True? No? What's the concensus?
Dean
On Jul 29, 2005, at 1:58 PM, dhbailey wrote
On 29 Jul 2005, at 9:06 PM, John Hughes wrote:
Mine sound just awful. I bought Fin2006 purely on the promise that I
could at last hear my work sound something like real. But I'm afraid I
was very disappointed. The same with Finale's HP. I could never use
it.
You mean you didn't listen to
--- Craig Parmerlee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
Ok ... so I'd like to hear someone else confirm
that the GPO sounds
are no better at all than standard soundfonts.
True? No? What's the
concensus?
I won't say they're no better, but I surely don't
:15 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO
Ok ... so I'd like to hear someone else confirm that the GPO sounds are
no better at all than standard soundfonts. True? No? What's the
concensus?
Dean
___
Finale mailing list
--- John Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mine sound just awful. I bought Fin2006 purely on
the promise that I could
at last hear my work sound something like real. But
I'm afraid I was very
disappointed. The same with Finale's HP. I could
never use it.
John
Hi John,
My findings
Good explanation Tyler ... now, how do you feel about the GPO sounds?
Are they as good as the samples provided on the MM site, or not? And
if not, what gives? Also, I've just received the following message:
Dear Finale Macintosh Customer;
In a previous e-mail we informed you of an upgrade
://www.RonaldJBrown.com
-Original Message-
From: Dean M. Estabrook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: July 29, 2005 5:15 PM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO
Ok ... so I'd like to hear someone else confirm that the GPO sounds are
no better at all than standard soundfonts. True
On 30 Jul 2005, at 12:54 AM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
Yeah, I listened to the samples on both sites Darcy mentioned, and
was most impressed. That's why I bought Fin 2006.
Are not the sounds available in the package as we purchased it the
same we heard in the samples? If so, I can't imagine
Dean,
I downloaded and ran the pre-installer and installed the retail Fin2006
today without incident. I would recommend making a backup of
everything in your ~/Application Support folder (where ~ is your
home user folder first, but I didn't have any problem once I ran the
pre-installer.
Darcy:
Many thanks for the good info and optimism on this interesting day.
So, if the pre-installer says my system doesn't require it's use, you
figure (since I have backed up the folder in question as well as my
Address Book) that it's probably ok to go ahead and install?
I'll mess
Hey Dean,
You should be just fine, but one final thing I would recommend just as
a precaution: Launch Address Book, and from the File menu choose Back
Up Database.
After that, you should be good to go.
Cheers,
- Darcy
-
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Brooklyn, NY
On 30 Jul 2005, at 1:43 AM, Dean
Wilco,
Have a good nite's sleep.
Dean
On Jul 29, 2005, at 10:51 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
Hey Dean,
You should be just fine, but one final thing I would recommend just as
a precaution: Launch Address Book, and from the File menu choose Back
Up Database.
After that, you should be
79 matches
Mail list logo
