Subject: Re: [Finale] Endings in repeats - advice needed

2008-12-12 Thread Steve Shulman
Hi, Also keep in mind your trombone players! Unless playing 1st-position notes, both hands are in-play, as it were... -Steve S NYC Message: 4 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:30:38 -0500 From: Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca Subject: Re: [Finale] Endings in repeats - advice

Re: Subject: Re: [Finale] Endings in repeats - advice needed

2008-12-12 Thread YATESLAWRENCE
In a message dated 12/12/2008 21:14:47 GMT Standard Time, steves...@aol.com writes: Also keep in mind your trombone players! Unless playing 1st-position notes, both hands are in-play, as it were... And horn players who, if they take the hand out of the bell to turn pages will

Re: [Finale] Endings in repeats - advice needed

2008-12-11 Thread Dan Tillberg
Haha, since I inadvertently started this interesting debate I dare to comment it :-) My original situation was quite simple - a big band arrangement with an open 32 -bar section for solos. All repeats but the last are identical. No backgrounds or anything in this particular solo section (there

Re: [Finale] Endings in repeats - advice needed

2008-12-11 Thread Florence + Michael
Good repeats are nice simple ones that just repeat a whole passage, especially if they economise on pages turns. Bad repeats are those that say first time round jump to B, second time round play these 8 measures, then jump to D, third time round play everything up to E, then jump to Coda

Re: [Finale] Endings in repeats - advice needed

2008-12-11 Thread dhbailey
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As this whole repeat thing is one of my pet peeves, I'm now going to mount my soapbox. Realizing that in some circumstances repeats may be necessary or even preferable, I believe that in most cases they are outdated. Since music no longer needs to be

Re: [Finale] Endings in repeats - advice needed

2008-12-11 Thread David W. Fenton
On 11 Dec 2008 at 8:19, Dan Tillberg wrote: And as a musician myself I can also get a little frustrated sometimes that from the old complex-repeat-structure-to-save-paper-and-time to the new era of copy-paste-everything-since-this-is-done-on-a-computer!. I had a case just yesterday where

Re: [Finale] Endings in repeats - advice needed

2008-12-11 Thread John Howell
At 9:51 AM +0100 12/11/08, Florence + Michael wrote: Good repeats are nice simple ones that just repeat a whole passage, especially if they economise on pages turns. Bad repeats are those that say first time round jump to B, second time round play these 8 measures, then jump to D, third time

Re: [Finale] Endings in repeats - advice needed

2008-12-11 Thread Christopher Smith
On 11-Dec-08, at 11-Dec-08 12:44 PM, John Howell wrote: As a string player I'm used to having a stand partner to turn pages--or to being that stand partner myself. But as a wind player I really feel like cussing out editors who blithely ignore bad or impossible page turns. And of

Re: [Finale] Endings in repeats - advice needed

2008-12-10 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 10 Dec 2008, at 2:59 AM, Dan Tillberg wrote: Would it be advicable to make the parts so that only instruments with differences have these different endings, while others don't? Definitely not. Or would it be better to anyway, for rehearsal simplicity, make all parts equal in this

Re: [Finale] Endings in repeats - advice needed

2008-12-10 Thread Dan Tillberg
Well I almost expected that answer :-) Just wanted to be fully convinced myself. Thanks for putting it straight-forward! /D On 10 Dec 2008, at 2:59 AM, Dan Tillberg wrote: Would it be advicable to make the parts so that only instruments with differences have these different endings, while

Re: [Finale] Endings in repeats - advice needed

2008-12-10 Thread Christopher Smith
On Dec 10, 2008, at 2:59 AM, Dan Tillberg wrote: When looking at a part where there are for example full bar rests in both first and second ending, it makes sense in a way but it looks a bit...unnecessary...or even a bit funny perhaps. I know Darcy got to you within minutes (he must

Re: [Finale] Endings in repeats - advice needed

2008-12-10 Thread John Howell
At 8:55 AM -0500 12/10/08, Christopher Smith wrote: The last thing you want is to say in rehearsal Take it at the second ending and have half the band say, What? The aspect of Finale that forces you to have the same roadmap between all parts and the score has probably saved more rehearsal

Re: [Finale] Endings in repeats - advice needed

2008-12-10 Thread Christopher Smith
On Dec 10, 2008, at 11:27 AM, John Howell wrote: This does, however, bring up the question (again! it's been discussed before) of how to handle bar numbers in multiple endings. Number the first ending bars but not the second? Use duplicate numbers in the 2nd ending? Just number

Re: [Finale] Endings in repeats - advice needed

2008-12-10 Thread David W. Fenton
On 10 Dec 2008 at 11:27, John Howell wrote: I've actually run into that very thing in Broadway books, specifically in The King I. I was asked to make a cut at a certain point in a certain number, discovered that some parts had repeated bars (and LONG endings!) while others did not, and

Re: [Finale] Endings in repeats - advice needed

2008-12-10 Thread dhbailey
David W. Fenton wrote: On 10 Dec 2008 at 11:27, John Howell wrote: I've actually run into that very thing in Broadway books, specifically in The King I. I was asked to make a cut at a certain point in a certain number, discovered that some parts had repeated bars (and LONG endings!) while

Re: [Finale] Endings in repeats - advice needed

2008-12-10 Thread music
As this whole repeat thing is one of my pet peeves, I'm now going to mount my soapbox. Realizing that in some circumstances repeats may be necessary or even preferable, I believe that in most cases they are outdated. Since music no longer needs to be hand copied, it make

Re: [Finale] Endings in repeats - advice needed

2008-12-10 Thread YATESLAWRENCE
I like repeats - it's means I don't have to tax tired and precious brain cells on working out that I'm playing what I just played and sorted out five minutes ago. Cheers, Lawrence lawrenceyates.co.uk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu

Re: [Finale] Endings in repeats - advice needed

2008-12-10 Thread Horace Brock
If think the Broadway books are bad (and I've played them), wait till you see brass band music published by the Salvation Army. I don't know if they're trying to save paper or what, but one part will have two baqrs and a six-bar 1st ending, another will have four bars and a 4-bar ending, another

Re: [Finale] Endings in repeats - advice needed

2008-12-10 Thread David W. Fenton
On 10 Dec 2008 at 17:02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As this whole repeat thing is one of my pet peeves, I'm now going to mount my soapbox. Realizing that in some circumstances repeats may be necessary or even preferable, I believe that in most cases they are outdated. Since

Re: [Finale] Endings in repeats - advice needed

2008-12-10 Thread Christopher Smith
On Dec 10, 2008, at 8:50 PM, Horace Brock wrote: If think the Broadway books are bad (and I've played them), wait till you see brass band music published by the Salvation Army. I hate to play topper (no really, I kind of like it!) but the worst by far are salsa and merengue charts,