Re: [Finale] Quoting

2005-08-11 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Darcy James Argue schrieb: In that case, then you are one of maybe three people on the entire Finale list who is sending properly formatted email messages -- at least by your definition. And it actually makes everyone else's life more difficult, unless you actually want double messages,

Re: [Finale] Quoting

2005-08-11 Thread Johannes Gebauer
David W. Fenton schrieb: Well, that's their choice, now isn't it? Why would you want to make life more difficult for Digest readers by suggesting that no one should bother trimming their quotations? What does it cost you to agree that cutting quotations to the minimum is A Good Thing? Or

[Finale] Re: Finale Digest, Vol 25, Issue 20

2005-08-11 Thread Ken Moore
David W. Fenton wrote I'd be interested to know if under OS X you guys were stikll finding RAM disks helpful with pre-2006 Finale. We had a discussion of this a while back and I can't remember what was concluded. I'd have thought that OS X's modern industrial-strength virtual memory management

Re: [Finale] Quoting

2005-08-11 Thread dhbailey
David W. Fenton wrote: On 10 Aug 2005 at 17:58, Darcy James Argue wrote: I forgot to add, when addressing someone's question, lots of people reply to the replies (not the original), so even if the list was configured to automatically reply-to the individual as well as the list (which it

Re: [Finale] Quoting

2005-08-11 Thread Rocky Road
What messes me up is coming up on an interesection and seeing.. HERE STOP reminds me of lots of WAY - FREE's that I drive on. -- Rocky Road - in Oz Fleeing from the Cylon tyranny, the last Battlestar, Galactica, leads a ragtag, fugitive fleet, on a lonely quest, for a shining

Re: [Finale] Quoting

2005-08-11 Thread Brad Beyenhof
On 10/08/05, Johannes Gebauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Darcy James Argue schrieb: And it actually makes everyone else's life more difficult, unless you actually want double messages, so from now on you (not you, Darcy) will get double messages from me. Actually, he need not get double

Re: [Finale] Quoting

2005-08-11 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Brad Beyenhof schrieb: I'm fairly certain that gmail adds a Reply-To header to every email I send out (and that there's no way to change that), but with avoid duplicates turned on I never get more than one of each message. No, mailman is obviously not adding a reply-to header, if I click reply

Re: [Finale] Quoting

2005-08-11 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 09:41 AM 08/11/2005, Johannes Gebauer wrote: No, mailman is obviously not adding a reply-to header, if I click reply to your message only the finale address is put into the To field, not yours. Right. Mailman is adding 'Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu'. With David's emails to the list are

[Finale] Fret number font

2005-08-11 Thread George Ports
Have figured out how to place the 'fret number' next to a guitar grid by editing it etc. When I do another chord and put the number in a different 'vertical' position, it changes all of the fret number positions to the same as the new one. Isn't there a way to have each one separate? Also,

Re: [Finale] Quoting

2005-08-11 Thread Johannes Gebauer
In my message mailman should have read Gmail, I think it is clearer then. We agree I believe. Johannes Aaron Sherber schrieb: At 09:41 AM 08/11/2005, Johannes Gebauer wrote: No, mailman is obviously not adding a reply-to header, if I click reply to your message only the finale address is

Re: [Finale] Quoting

2005-08-11 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 11:31 AM 08/11/2005, Johannes Gebauer wrote: In my message mailman should have read Gmail, I think it is clearer then. We agree I believe. Ah, yes -- thanks for clarifying. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu

[Finale] Dolet 3 for Finale released

2005-08-11 Thread Michael Good
Dear Finale list members, Today Recordare released our Dolet 3 for Finale plug-in. Dolet 3 for Finale reads and writes MusicXML 1.1 files for better file exchange with Sibelius, SharpEye Music Reader, and the many other programs that read and write MusicXML files. Even if you use the built-in

[Finale] Quotes and Digests

2005-08-11 Thread Henry E. Howey
I haven't done a total lately; however, I believe the DIGEST option is a 70/30 prefernce of listmembers. As for quoting, I believe cogent, concise quotes will be read more avidly than full-blown rehashes of conversations. Shakespeare;-) Your frindly listowner Henry Howey Professor of Music

Re: [Finale] Quotes and Digests

2005-08-11 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 01:31 PM 08/11/2005, Henry E. Howey wrote: I haven't done a total lately; however, I believe the DIGEST option is a 70/30 prefernce of listmembers. 421 Digest / 362 non-digest Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu

Re: [Finale] Quoting

2005-08-11 Thread Ken Moore
Johannes Gebauer wrote: I just wished Thunderbird would support selective quoting (where you select something in the original message, click Reply, and only that portion is quoted at the beginning of the reply message). Thunderbird is a great email client, but this is a huge step back from

Re: [Finale] Quoting

2005-08-11 Thread David W. Fenton
On 11 Aug 2005 at 8:44, Johannes Gebauer wrote: PS: I am really tired of having to cut out your address from the replies. So whoseever fault it is, you either have to live with getting individual replies twice from me, or take out your reply-to header when you send to the list, to make my

Re: [Finale] Quoting

2005-08-11 Thread David W. Fenton
On 11 Aug 2005 at 6:17, Brad Beyenhof wrote: On 10/08/05, Johannes Gebauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Darcy James Argue schrieb: And it actually makes everyone else's life more difficult, unless you actually want double messages, so from now on you (not you, Darcy) will get double

Re: [Finale] Quoting

2005-08-11 Thread Simon Troup
PS: I am really tired of having to cut out your address from the replies. So whoseever fault it is, you either have to live with getting individual replies twice from me, or take out your reply-to header when you send to the list, to make my life easier. Take it up with the list owner.

Re: [Finale] Quoting

2005-08-11 Thread David W. Fenton
On 11 Aug 2005 at 15:41, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Brad Beyenhof schrieb: I'm fairly certain that gmail adds a Reply-To header to every email I send out (and that there's no way to change that), but with avoid duplicates turned on I never get more than one of each message. No, mailman is

Re: [Finale] Quotes and Digests

2005-08-11 Thread David W. Fenton
On 11 Aug 2005 at 13:41, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 01:31 PM 08/11/2005, Henry E. Howey wrote: I haven't done a total lately; however, I believe the DIGEST option is a 70/30 prefernce of listmembers. 421 Digest / 362 non-digest *BOGGLE* That means that a *majority* of subscribers are on

Re: [Finale] Quoting

2005-08-11 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 03:29 PM 08/11/2005, David W. Fenton wrote: Just to clarify: the two addresses are not put there by *me*. When I send to the list, there's only one address in the Reply-To header, my own. Right. As I've explained before, Mailman adds the finale@shsu.edu to any existing Reply-To header. I

Re: [Finale] Quoting

2005-08-11 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 03:27 PM 08/11/2005, David W. Fenton wrote: I' not sure I quite understand how the list software can address that, as it isn't processing the header -- the sender's SMTP server is doing it. Right. If you have 'avoid' set to Yes, what Mailman does is look to see if you are explicitly named in

Re: [Finale] Quoting

2005-08-11 Thread David W. Fenton
On 11 Aug 2005 at 15:49, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 03:27 PM 08/11/2005, David W. Fenton wrote: But the problem is not caused by *me* -- it's caused by an incorrect configuration of the mailing list software. Well, it's caused by a certain setting in the software which would arguably be

Re: [Finale] Quotes and Digests

2005-08-11 Thread Johannes Gebauer
David W. Fenton schrieb: That indicates to me that, assuming we all want the list's subscribers to read our posts, we should all format our posts for maximum readability on the Digest -- we should all be considering Digest readers when we post to the list. Which, of course, noone ever

Re: [Finale] Quoting

2005-08-11 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz schrieb: Since I keep a big archive of posts that interest me, here's what I've found in the 3,009 posts I saved from 2005: Wow, this is turning into a research project. Anyway, I feel there is enough justification that those who have reply-to headers in their mail to

Re: [Finale] Quoting

2005-08-11 Thread Johannes Gebauer
David W. Fenton schrieb: Take it up with the list owner. I'm not about to change the configuration of my email client to accommodate a mis-configured mailing list. I am not so sure, actually. Isn't the very nature of a reply-to header that you _want_ it to be replied to? So, unless you want

[Finale] Re: Quoting

2005-08-11 Thread Andrew Levin
I guess the firestorm for Finale2006 and GPO has died down, allowing us a full day to discuss email etiquette! :-) Of course, since I'm on the digest, I'm only about 18 hours late to the party... Darcy wrote: What possible advantage does the digest have over creating a Finale list folder

Re: [Finale] Quoting

2005-08-11 Thread David W. Fenton
On 12 Aug 2005 at 0:54, Johannes Gebauer wrote: David W. Fenton schrieb: Take it up with the list owner. I'm not about to change the configuration of my email client to accommodate a mis-configured mailing list. I am not so sure, actually. Isn't the very nature of a reply-to header

Re: [Finale] Quoting

2005-08-11 Thread David W. Fenton
On 12 Aug 2005 at 1:01, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz schrieb: Since I keep a big archive of posts that interest me, here's what I've found in the 3,009 posts I saved from 2005: Wow, this is turning into a research project. Anyway, I feel there is enough justification

Re: [Finale] Quotes and Digests

2005-08-11 Thread David W. Fenton
On 12 Aug 2005 at 0:56, Johannes Gebauer wrote: David W. Fenton schrieb: That indicates to me that, assuming we all want the list's subscribers to read our posts, we should all format our posts for maximum readability on the Digest -- we should all be considering Digest readers when

Re: [Finale] Re: Quoting

2005-08-11 Thread David W. Fenton
On 11 Aug 2005 at 19:12, Andrew Levin wrote: I might very well be in the minority, but it suits me. As you'll see when you get to today's Digest, you're actually in the majority of list subscribers. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton

Re: [Finale] Quoting

2005-08-11 Thread Brad Beyenhof
On 11/08/05, David W. Fenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It causes problems in one of two ways: 1. it either inconveniences the people who are paying attention to remove the extra address when replying, OR 2. it inconveniences the person lists in the Reply-To along with the list, by causing

Re: [Finale] Quotes and Digests

2005-08-11 Thread dhbailey
David W. Fenton wrote: [snip] Well, the lack of effort on the part of many posters in regard to trimming quotations indicates to me that there was little concern over the issue. Darcy's questioning of the utility of the Digest confused me into thinking that this was also a challenge to the

Re: [Finale] Re: Quoting

2005-08-11 Thread dhbailey
David W. Fenton wrote: On 11 Aug 2005 at 19:12, Andrew Levin wrote: I might very well be in the minority, but it suits me. As you'll see when you get to today's Digest, you're actually in the majority of list subscribers. An interesting point of research would be to see among the top

Re: [Finale] Quoting

2005-08-11 Thread Simon Troup
Does anyone think that's a good idea? Anyone? Doesn't affect us, it's your problem. Take it up with the list owner and let's move onto something more interesting - we're all agreed about quoting aren't we. Simon Troup Digital Music Art ___ Finale

Re: [Finale] Quoting

2005-08-11 Thread David W. Fenton
On 11 Aug 2005 at 16:42, Brad Beyenhof wrote: On 11/08/05, David W. Fenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It causes problems in one of two ways: 1. it either inconveniences the people who are paying attention to remove the extra address when replying, OR 2. it inconveniences the person

Re: [Finale] Re: Quoting

2005-08-11 Thread David W. Fenton
On 11 Aug 2005 at 19:58, dhbailey wrote: An interesting point of research would be to see among the top 50% of users, based on activity, what the break-down of digest-vs-individual would be. I wonder if that would reflect the list's preference as a whole, or if the bulk of the

Re: [Finale] Quoting

2005-08-11 Thread David W. Fenton
On 12 Aug 2005 at 1:06, Simon Troup wrote: Does anyone think that's a good idea? Anyone? Doesn't affect us, it's your problem. Take it up with the list owner and let's move onto something more interesting - we're all agreed about quoting aren't we. Well, given how much difficulty

Re: [Finale] Quoting

2005-08-11 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 07:26 PM 08/11/2005, David W. Fenton wrote: The message that has the incorrect Reply-To header is not being sent by me. Yes, it is. My message to the list is correct in having my email address in the Reply-To field. Having the same address in a Reply-To header as in your From header is

Re: [Finale] Quoting

2005-08-11 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 08:29 PM 08/11/2005, David W. Fenton wrote: That's not the whole picture. People who include the Reply-To can also set the list not to send a duplicate message. . . . No, the list setting only controls duplicated TO: and CC: addresses, and the problem is *not* a duplicate address -- it's

Re: [Finale] Quoting

2005-08-11 Thread David W. Fenton
On 11 Aug 2005 at 20:51, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 07:26 PM 08/11/2005, David W. Fenton wrote: The message that has the incorrect Reply-To header is not being sent by me. Yes, it is. No, it really isn't. The incorrect Reply-To header is generated by the mailing list server. My message

Re: [Finale] Quoting

2005-08-11 Thread David W. Fenton
On 11 Aug 2005 at 20:59, Aaron Sherber wrote: At 08:29 PM 08/11/2005, David W. Fenton wrote: That's not the whole picture. People who include the Reply-To can also set the list not to send a duplicate message. . . . No, the list setting only controls duplicated TO: and CC: addresses,