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Subject: Re: [Finale] Conducting in 12/8
On 2 May 2007 at 17:04, Andrew Stiller wrote:
On May 2, 2007, at 2:41 PM, David W.
At 02:10 AM 5/3/2007, Owain Sutton wrote:
Damn. I thought the bar before the Glorifcation de L'Eule in the Rite
was thirteen, but I checked the score and it's in fact eleven.
Of course: I-GOR STRA-VIN-SKY IS A SON OF A B is how we learned it. g
Aaron.
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Who was that jazz tpt. player, prominent back in the late sixties,
who used to do charts with meters like 87/4, etc? I think his first
name was Don .
Dean
On May 2, 2007, at 11:10 PM, Owain Sutton wrote:
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Don Ellis?
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Who was that jazz tpt. player, prominent back in the late sixties, who used
DON ELLIS ?
Stan lord
On 3 May 2007, at 16:14, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
Who was that jazz tpt. player, prominent back in the late sixties,
who used to do charts with meters like 87/4, etc? I think his
first name was Don .
Dean
On May 2, 2007, at 11:10 PM, Owain Sutton wrote:
On May 3, 2007, at 8:14 AM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
Who was that jazz tpt. player, prominent back in the late sixties,
who used to do charts with meters like 87/4, etc? I think his
first name was Don .
Ellis.
Chuck
Dean
On May 2, 2007, at 11:10 PM, Owain Sutton wrote:
Don Ellis
I have his book
The New Rhythm Book published 1972
Psychedelic!
Jerry
Gerald Berg
On 3-May-07, at 11:14 AM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
Who was that jazz tpt. player, prominent back in the late sixties, who
used to do charts with meters like 87/4, etc? I think his first name
was
Don Cherry, I think
Stu
Who was that jazz tpt. player, prominent back in the late sixties,
who used to do charts with meters like 87/4, etc? I think his first
name was Don .
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I would guess that you're talking about Don Ellis
Dick H
On May 3, 2007, at 8:14 AM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
Who was that jazz tpt. player, prominent back in the late sixties,
who used to do charts with meters like 87/4, etc? I think his
first name was Don .
No he played with Ornette Coleman. They weren't into meter at all. He
was barely into trumpet playing.
Jerry
Gerald Berg
On 3-May-07, at 12:18 PM, Stu McIntire wrote:
Don Cherry, I think
Stu
Who was that jazz tpt. player, prominent back in the late sixties,
who used to do charts with
Don't be asinine. The classic Ornette Coleman quartet wasn't into
meter? Somebody should have told Billy Higgins, Charlie Haden, and
Ed Blackwell -- these are some of the greatest rhythm section players
of all time. And while Don Cherry was not the person Dean was
thinking of, he was a
YEAH ... somehow, I knew Chuck would know. Wonder if he's still alive
and performing. Last time I saw him, I think, was at the Monterey
Festival ... decades ago.
Dean
On May 3, 2007, at 9:08 AM, Chuck Israels wrote:
On May 3, 2007, at 8:14 AM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
Who was that jazz
Don Imus? ;-)
At 5/3/2007 12:02 PM, Richard Willis wrote:
Don Ellis?
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Who was that jazz
Don Ellis, perhaps?
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Who was that jazz tpt. player,
Better than a boor. Really uncouth.
Twas in jest but with some truth. You must be confusing them with Dave
Brubeck.
Gerald Berg
On 3-May-07, at 12:58 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
Don't be asinine. The classic Ornette Coleman quartet wasn't into
meter? Somebody should have told Billy
No - Don died fairly young. He had some unusual disease, I think. I
remember that he spoke about it to me at one point when I casually
asked how he was doing. He didn't go into the particulars but
somehow made it clear that there was something going on that did not
show on the surface.
Darcy James Argue wrote:
Don't be asinine. The classic Ornette Coleman quartet wasn't into
meter? Somebody should have told Billy Higgins, Charlie Haden, and Ed
Blackwell -- these are some of the greatest rhythm section players of
all time. And while Don Cherry was not the person Dean was
Gerald Berg wrote:
No he played with Ornette Coleman. They weren't into meter at all. He
was barely into trumpet playing.
I saw him in concert at Dartmouth college in Spring of 1970, and was
dumbfounded at how horrible it was. Just him on pocket trumpet, Okay
Tamiz (never heard of him
Oops. This works.
Gerald Berg
On 3-May-07, at 2:34 PM, Gerald Berg wrote:
Better than a boor. Really uncouth.
Twas in jest but with some truth. You must be confusing them with
Dave Brubeck.
Gerald Berg
On 3-May-07, at 12:58 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
Don't be asinine. The classic
Don Ellis is dead and so is his son. They had an inherited pulmonary
heart disease of some sort. Heart balloned in his chest and basically
burst.
Real nice.
Jerry
Gerald Berg
On 3-May-07, at 1:10 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
YEAH ... somehow, I knew Chuck would know. Wonder if he's still
Yeah -- anyone who plays jazz without a predetermined set of chord
changes must perforce be a total charlatan. Never heard *that* one
before -- it's a real knee-slapper.
Cheers,
- Darcy
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On 03 May 2007, at 2:34 PM, Gerald Berg wrote:
Twas in jest
Substantial, specific criticism is not the same as knee-jerk dismissal.
Don devoted his life to playing uncompromising and person music in
the face of considerable hostility and hardship. Whether you like his
music or not, he's an influential figure in the evolution of the
music and
Don devoted his life to playing uncompromising and person music
Erg. Should be personal music, not person music.
- Darcy
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Thanks David
Darcy is obviously not into reading carefully and into responding
emotionally.
There must be a hounding of tastes.
I think Eddie Blackwell a magnificent musician.
No one like him. I love him. And yes he could play both rhythm and
meter. And he doesn't require this type of
That was Okay Temiz and Johnny Dyani. Temiz, a turkish born drummer, was
(and is) rather well-known for his early explorations of incorporating
odd metered rhythms as well as ethno elements into jazz.
Hans
Stockholm, Sweden
dhbailey wrote:
I saw him in concert at Dartmouth college in
On May 3, 2007, at 2:30 PM, dhbailey wrote:
Gerald Berg wrote:
No he played with Ornette Coleman. They weren't into meter at all.
He was barely into trumpet playing.
I saw him in concert at Dartmouth college in Spring of 1970, and was
dumbfounded at how horrible it was.
I saw him play
Darcy James Argue wrote:
...And while Don Cherry was not the person Dean was thinking of, he
was a brilliant musician who did actually *did* do a lot of
mixed-meter stuff in the 1970's. Dave Holland -- whose current band
seems to play in every meter imaginable except 4/4 -- says he
learned to
Do any of you have advice on how to prevent GPO playback from being
garbled? The piece in question is a piano quintet, so four KS strings
plus one Steinway piano are loaded on channels 1-5. Some measures
sound like an old LP with many scratches.
It is possible that this is a memory problem.
On 3 May 2007 at 15:00, Darcy James Argue wrote:
I mean, whatever you might think of, oh I don't know -- John Cage,
let's say -- it would be idiotic to say that he was barely into
composing.
Um...
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On 3-May-07, at 11:14 AM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote:
Who was that jazz tpt. player, prominent back in the late sixties,
who used to do charts with meters like 87/4, etc? I think his
first name was Don .
Most of what I saw of his had denominators like 8 and 16, denoting
changing
Yeah, yeah, I know, I know. But look at what he actually did with his
life -- not what he said he'd rather have done.
Cheers,
- Darcy
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On 03 May 2007, at 4:26 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 3 May 2007 at 15:00, Darcy James Argue wrote:
I mean,
On 3 May 2007 at 7:10, Owain Sutton wrote:
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But what was described in the post was 12
Don's July 1989 appearance at the Montreal Jazz Fest (with Charlie
Haden and Ed Blackwell) is beautiful. The recording is available
under Charlie Haden's name:
http://www.vervemusicgroup.com/product.aspx?ob=discsrc=artpid=9888
Cheers,
- Darcy
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On 03
On 3-May-07, at 2:31 PM, dhbailey wrote:
Darcy James Argue wrote:
I would have hoped that Ornette Coleman getting a well-deserved
Pulitzer this year would finally put an end to ignorant, knee-jerk
dismissals of him and his associates. I'm greatly disheartened to
see that's not yet the
Greetings,
I'm in the midst of Spring Cleaning and found an extra copy of the multiple
volume Finale 1.0 Manual and References (from the year 1988 - price $1000.00!)
Before I haul these to the recyclers, I thought I'd offer these historical
artifacts to the Finale List. Ya never know...someone
Darcy James Argue wrote:
Substantial, specific criticism is not the same as knee-jerk dismissal.
Don devoted his life to playing uncompromising and person music in the
face of considerable hostility and hardship. Whether you like his music
or not, he's an influential figure in the evolution
Are you basing your opinion of Don's playing entirely on this one gig?
Cheers,
- Darcy
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On 03 May 2007, at 5:03 PM, dhbailey wrote:
Darcy James Argue wrote:
Substantial, specific criticism is not the same as knee-jerk
dismissal.
Don devoted his life to
The Giuffre trio records with Paul Bley and Steve Swallow are
classic. Originally recorded for Verve, the first two were reissued
by ECM as Jimmy Giuffre 3 1961. The other one is called Free
Fall, on Columbia. Perhaps it was one of those you are thinking of?
(There are several duo tracks,
Sorry, David -- I missed this sentence on first reading:
And I've heard nothing of his on record which would change that
assessment.
So, uh, obviously not. My apologies.
Cheers,
- Darcy
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On 03 May 2007, at 5:15 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
Are you
Darcy James Argue wrote:
Are you basing your opinion of Don's playing entirely on this one gig?
And recordings I heard of him at about that time.
In light of Andrew's comment about a concert he heard Don Cherry and
another comment of a more recent recording, I can easily admit that my
On 3 May 2007 at 16:46, Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 03 May 2007, at 4:26 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 3 May 2007 at 15:00, Darcy James Argue wrote:
I mean, whatever you might think of, oh I don't know -- John Cage,
let's say -- it would be idiotic to say that he was barely into
So that's how long I've been using Finale!
Chuck
On May 3, 2007, at 1:56 PM, ER @ HOME wrote:
Greetings,
I'm in the midst of Spring Cleaning and found an extra copy of the
multiple volume Finale 1.0 Manual and References (from the year
1988 - price $1000.00!) Before I haul these to the
And that's what makes a market.
No Clifford Brown?
Jerry
Gerald Berg
On 3-May-07, at 4:15 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote:
On May 3, 2007, at 2:30 PM, dhbailey wrote:
Gerald Berg wrote:
No he played with Ornette Coleman. They weren't into meter at all.
He was barely into trumpet playing.
I
Yes, of course! I had heard first one of the duo tracks, so I based
my impression of a duo album on that.
Thanks for the reference. I will pick those up, as I loved what I heard.
Christopher
On 3-May-07, at 5:14 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
The Giuffre trio records with Paul Bley and
Here's a YouTube video of Don Cherry playing Monk's 52nd St. Theme
with Sonny Rollins in 1963:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7g-YkEX2zQ
It's not my favorite context in which to hear him, by any means, but
in his solo, he plays with good time and tells a good story. His
technique is
See Darcy? Slow down.
I'm still expecting an apology.
Jerry
Gerald Berg
On 3-May-07, at 5:21 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
Sorry, David -- I missed this sentence on first reading:
And I've heard nothing of his on record which would change that
assessment.
So, uh, obviously not. My
For what, exactly? You took an ignorant cheap shot at a musician you
don't, apparently, know much about, and I corrected you. And you
haven't offered a substantial rebuttal to any of my points, other
than to assert that in your opinion, Don is ridiculous and could
not play the trumpet.
I do love that tune most of all Ornette's ouvre. Ever hear Helen
Merrill's version?
I would say that what Cherry had here (Lonely Woman) was the expression
of the inarticulate. Valid expression but somewhat volatile. I mean
how often are you able to be articulate about inarticulateness?
I think Cage was more important as an influence than as a composer. That is
not to diminish his importance at all.
Cheers,
Lawrence
lawrenceyates.co.uk
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On 3 May 2007 at 18:39, Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 03 May 2007, at 5:37 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 3 May 2007 at 16:46, Darcy James Argue wrote:
On 03 May 2007, at 4:26 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 3 May 2007 at 15:00, Darcy James Argue wrote:
I mean, whatever you might think
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I latched on to a bunch of 9x12 paper and am using it to do some
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