Re: [Finale] OT permission to set poems

2007-08-23 Thread John Howell
At 10:44 AM -0400 8/22/07, Stu McIntire wrote: I would appreciate someone pointing me to a resource that tells how best to go about getting permission to set a published poem to music, with the expectation that the resulting piece will be performed and published eventually, even if just by me.

Re: [Finale] EPS in FinMac 2008 woes: daily update

2007-08-23 Thread dhbailey
Christopher Smith wrote: [snip] Ah, I see. No, I have put arrows in all kinds of places, and they never work in EPS export. I haven't exhaustively tested every possible place, but inside and outside the staff on all four sides makes no difference. Oh well, it was a guess. Sorry. -- David

Re: [Finale] OT permission to set poems

2007-08-23 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Friends, I would note that in response to part of what John Howell wrote: ...Anything published after that is probably still under copyright, meaning that it belongs to the copyright owner, and you must ask permission to use it, and pay whatever fee or royalty the copyright owner asks or not

Re: [Finale] Re: EPS in FinMac 2008 woes: daily update

2007-08-23 Thread Christopher Smith
On Aug 22, 2007, at 11:34 PM, Claudio Pompili wrote: Don't know about FinMac2k8 EPS but I've done a lot of EPS from Fin2k7c/OSX 10.4.10 to Word 2k4 in last 6 months without any problems (after I'd done some serious re-organising of all of my fonts [I use PS Type 1 fonts wherever possible]

Re: [Finale] OT permission to set poems

2007-08-23 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 06:43 AM 8/23/2007 -0600, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: that the word probably may be overstating the case. Items copyrighted in the U.S. after 1923, and before a date in the mid 1960's (If I remember correctly, and I don't have time at the moment to be sure that I do) were copyrighted for a term

Re: [Finale] OT permission to set poems

2007-08-23 Thread David W. Fenton
On 22 Aug 2007 at 11:58, John Howell wrote: Anything published before 1923 is in the public domain (in the U.S.), and may be used freely by anyone. It belongs to all of us. What about a public-domain poem published in a critical edition that is itself under copyright, such as a Norton

Re: [Finale] OT permission to set poems

2007-08-23 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: The 1994 law included restored copyright for many works in the public domain. It's a minefield for composers. I concede that the issue of restored copyright has caused problems for composers, but for the most part, unless one is dealing with material from the former

Re: [Finale] EPS in FinMac 2008 woes: daily update

2007-08-23 Thread shirling neueweise
custom arrowheads in custom smart lines have not exported properly in EPS for several versions, at least back to 2005. -- shirling neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing

[Finale] Re: EPS in FinMac 2008 woes: daily update

2007-08-23 Thread shirling neueweise
claudio, you don't mention if you were using smart shapes; this is where the problem is that is being discussed. Don't know about FinMac2k8 EPS but I've done a lot of EPS from Fin2k7c/OSX 10.4.10 to Word 2k4 in last 6 months without any problems -- shirling neueweise ... new music

Re: [Finale] OT permission to set poems

2007-08-23 Thread John Howell
At 8:08 AM -0400 8/23/07, David W. Fenton wrote: On 22 Aug 2007 at 11:58, John Howell wrote: Anything published before 1923 is in the public domain (in the U.S.), and may be used freely by anyone. It belongs to all of us. What about a public-domain poem published in a critical edition

[Finale] RE: Size

2007-08-23 Thread Bruce E. Clausen
Another version of yesterday's problem. Regarding yesterday, I had to re-adjust the right system margins page by page, but at least I got things back to normal. However, if I try to adjust the pages with % Tool the measures of the final pages again are grossly oversized. I can't seem to find

Re: [Finale] RE: Size

2007-08-23 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 12:57 PM 8/23/2007 -0700, Bruce E. Clausen wrote: Regarding yesterday, I had to re-adjust the right system margins page by page, but at least I got things back to normal. However, if I try to adjust the pages with % Tool the measures of the final pages again are grossly oversized. I can't

Re: [Finale] RE: Size

2007-08-23 Thread Christopher Smith
On Aug 23, 2007, at 3:57 PM, Bruce E. Clausen wrote: Another version of yesterday's problem. Regarding yesterday, I had to re-adjust the right system margins page by page, but at least I got things back to normal. Ooh, you don't have to do it individually! If you select Adjust System

Re: [Finale] OT permission to set poems

2007-08-23 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Aug 23, 2007, at 10:11 AM, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: The 1994 law included restored copyright for many works in the public domain. It's a minefield for composers. I concede that the issue of restored copyright has caused problems for composers, but for the most

Re: [Finale] OT permission to set poems

2007-08-23 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Aug 23, 2007, at 8:08 AM, David W. Fenton wrote: What about a public-domain poem published in a critical edition that is itself under copyright, such as a Norton anthology? Is it not the case that the particular variant spellings and line breaks and so forth might make it prudent (if not

Re: [Finale] OT permission to set poems

2007-08-23 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 05:11 PM 8/23/2007 -0400, Andrew Stiller wrote: The one exception would be if the creator deliberately placed the work in the public domain. That is, when pigs fly. Some pigs do fly. I just saw some of the scores by John Greschak (whose IWBNI site is now indexed again, by the way, at

Re: [Finale] OT permission to set poems

2007-08-23 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Aug 22, 2007, at 11:58 AM, John Howell wrote: Anything published after[1923] is probably still under copyright, meaning that it belongs to the copyright owner, and you must ask permission to use it, and pay whatever fee or royalty the copyright owner asks or not use it. You need a

Re: [Finale] OT permission to set poems

2007-08-23 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
In response to part of what Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote, The 1994 law included restored copyright for many works in the public domain. It's a minefield for composers. I wrote, asserting I concede that the issue of restored copyright has caused problems for composers, but for the most part,

Re: [Finale] OT permission to set poems

2007-08-23 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
I meant, in my post, in reference to the item on the Cornell University website (cf. http://www.copyright.cornell.edu/training/copyrightterm.pdf) to particularly call attention to the fourth line from the bottom of page 1, and to footnote 7 on page 3. ns

Re: [Finale] OT permission to set poems

2007-08-23 Thread Darcy James Argue
A total of *150* years, no? (80 +70 = 150). And this is provided the copyright terms are not further extended during the composer's lifetime. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 23 Aug 2007, at 5:11 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote: If I had the opportunity to ask one question

Re: [Finale] OT permission to set poems

2007-08-23 Thread Darcy James Argue
Never mind -- I'm an idiot. The song was written when the composer was *20*, so *60*+70, not 80+70. Writing a hit song before your first birthday might be a little much for even the most talented of prodigies. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 23 Aug 2007, at 7:07

Re: [Finale] RE: Size

2007-08-23 Thread Bruce E. Clausen
Hi, Christopher. I've tried the (Adjust) Edit Systems fix (WinFin06' XP) you recommended but it has not worked, alas. I've noticed that on the problem pages the system handles extend well beyond the bottom of the page to about 32. I can't find a way to click/drag/edit/cajole/threaten the

[Finale] Turn-of-the-century Band Music

2007-08-23 Thread David W. Fenton
I just became aware of this: http://www.forgottenamericanmusic.com/new_fulton_band2.htm And I think the music is quite delightful. And, despite certain infelicities, the recordings are quite listenable, even though they were accomplished with a single sight-reading session for each piece.

Re: [Finale] OT permission to set poems

2007-08-23 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 05:23 PM 8/23/2007 -0600, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: However, this does not appear to be consistent with the infomation contained on the Cornell University website Read the actual law, particularly the section that I referenced. That should make it clear. The reference to certain foreign works

[Finale] Re: EPS in FinMac 2008 woes: daily update

2007-08-23 Thread Claudio Pompili
At 12:02 -0500 23/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Message: 25 Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:59:05 +0200 From: shirling neueweise [EMAIL PROTECTED] claudio, you don't mention if you were using smart shapes; this is where the problem is that is being discussed. Yes, the original Fin2k7 file

Re: [Finale] Turn-of-the-century Band Music

2007-08-23 Thread John Howell
At 9:17 PM -0400 8/23/07, David W. Fenton wrote: I just became aware of this: http://www.forgottenamericanmusic.com/new_fulton_band2.htm And I think the music is quite delightful. And, despite certain infelicities, the recordings are quite listenable, even though they were accomplished with a

Re: [Finale] Turn-of-the-century Band Music

2007-08-23 Thread Raymond Horton
John Howell wrote: At 9:17 PM -0400 8/23/07, David W. Fenton wrote: I just became aware of this: http://www.forgottenamericanmusic.com/new_fulton_band2.htm And I think the music is quite delightful. And, despite certain infelicities, the recordings are quite listenable, even though they were

Re: [Finale] Turn-of-the-century Band Music

2007-08-23 Thread Raymond Horton
David W. Fenton wrote: I just became aware of this: http://www.forgottenamericanmusic.com/new_fulton_band2.htm And I think the music is quite delightful. And, despite certain infelicities, the recordings are quite listenable, even though they were accomplished with a single sight-reading

Re: [Finale] Turn-of-the-century Band Music

2007-08-23 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
Hey, John ... could you clue me in as to what site you visited to get the PDF's? Are they in score format, condensed, or what? I'm attempting to upgrade my bandstrating skills, and find that score study is an excellent way to do it, especially if a performance is available. Thanks,

Re: [Finale] Turn-of-the-century Band Music

2007-08-23 Thread John Howell
At 10:00 PM -0400 8/23/07, Raymond Horton wrote: The instrumentation difference is not quite as major as you make it seem, really. Just look at this list from David's link: --- * Full Score * (4) C Flute + opt Pic * (1) Eb Clarinet * (3) 1'st Bb Clarinets * (3) 2'nd Bb

Re: [Finale] Turn-of-the-century Band Music

2007-08-23 Thread John Howell
At 6:47 PM -0700 8/23/07, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Hey, John ... could you clue me in as to what site you visited to get the PDF's? Are they in score format, condensed, or what? I'm attempting to upgrade my bandstrating skills, and find that score study is an excellent way to do it,

[Finale] note trees

2007-08-23 Thread Aaron Rabushka
Does anybody here have any experience and any in- or out-of-manual wisdom on chromatic note trees? I played around a little with custom stems but couldn't quite get them to work? Aaron J. Rabushka [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://users.waymark.net/arabushk ___

Re: [Finale] RE: Size

2007-08-23 Thread Christopher Smith
On Aug 23, 2007, at 8:24 PM, Bruce E. Clausen wrote: Hi, Christopher. I've tried the (Adjust) Edit Systems fix (WinFin06' XP) you recommended but it has not worked, alas. I've noticed that on the problem pages the system handles extend well beyond the bottom of the page to about 32. I

Re: [Finale] Turn-of-the-century Band Music

2007-08-23 Thread Raymond Horton
John Howell wrote: The marches and smears I downloaded have a few more problems. ALWAYS Db piccolo, and sometimes no C flute parts. Sometimes oboe, sometimes not, and bassoons likewise. Sometimes no saxes, but other times saxes including soprano (and never 1st and 2nd alto). And the

Re: [Finale] Turn-of-the-century Band Music

2007-08-23 Thread Raymond Horton
This band talk started me doing some surfing, which turned up this quote: A horse, a dog, a girl, a gun, and music on the side that is my idea of heaven. - John Phillip Sousa It's

Re: [Finale] Turn-of-the-century Band Music

2007-08-23 Thread Chuck Israels
Just a comment on the subject of music from this period: there used to be (now lost) in our school music library, an LP of Sousa marches directed by some of his family descendants. It was remarkably light and clear, more transparently orchestrated and played than anything we hear now. It

Re: [Finale] RE: Size

2007-08-23 Thread Bruce E. Clausen
Christopher, I just got a bounceback message from the list. The reply with my file is being held, waiting for approval because of its size. With any luck, you'll get it tomorrow. BC - Original Message - From: Christopher Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Thursday,

Re: [Finale] RE: Size

2007-08-23 Thread Bruce E. Clausen
Thanks, Christopher. I have indeed consulted both the manual and tutorial, neither of which is a model of clarity. Perhaps this is my problem, more than theirs. I try not to consult the list without having first done these things. I am grateful for your help and will review and use your

Re: [Finale] RE: Size

2007-08-23 Thread Bruce E. Clausen
Thanks, Darcy. BC - Original Message - From: Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] RE: Size Bruce, The list doesn't accept attachments. You should send the file to CHRISTOPHER'S email, not the

Re: [Finale] OT permission to set poems

2007-08-23 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: Read the actual law, particularly the section that I referenced. That should make it clear. The reference to certain foreign works is in another section. You want (a)(1)(A) and (B) and (h)(6)(C)(i). Section (h) (8) (A) explicitly defines source country for the

Re: [Finale] RE: Size

2007-08-23 Thread Darcy James Argue
Bruce, The list doesn't accept attachments. You should send the file to CHRISTOPHER'S email, not the listserv email. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 23 Aug 2007, at 11:50 PM, Bruce E. Clausen wrote: Christopher, I just got a bounceback message from the list. The

RE: [Finale] RE: Size

2007-08-23 Thread Williams, Jim
Bruce... I've been away from this for a while...did you say you used the % tool to control view? In scroll mode? Jim From: Bruce E. Clausen Sent: Fri 24-Aug-07 0:13 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] RE: Size Thanks, Darcy. BC - Original Message - From: Darcy James

Re: [Finale] RE: Size

2007-08-23 Thread Bruce E. Clausen
Negative. I've been trying to edit score pages. BC - Original Message - From: Williams, Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:48 PM Subject: RE: [Finale] RE: Size Bruce... I've been away from this for a while...did you say you used the % tool