Re: [Finale] Unexpected Quit on Start

2007-09-22 Thread A-NO-NE Music
Dick Hauser / 07.9.21 / 0:48 PM wrote: I offered up the crash log but the tech didn't want it. My initial post included the first bit of it but it's so long, I didn't include it all. I'll send it to you off list. I received it. I am not a programmer but here is my guesses. Your HAL

Re: [Finale] Unexpected Quit on Start

2007-09-22 Thread A-NO-NE Music
Forgot to ask. Have you tried removing Finale pref file? -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] uncommon tuplet

2007-09-22 Thread David W. Fenton
On 19 Sep 2007 at 14:06, A-NO-NE Music wrote: The current Finale has been here too long. I believe the last time Finale had redeveloped from the scratch was v3, and I bet MM! isn't making enough money for new Finale RD. I don't think that's entirely true. Finale 97 saw the final switch to

Re: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-22 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
On 9/22/07, dc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Kim. This is very interesting. But a bit appalling! I'd hardly consider this as a conversion when I see all that is lost: beaming, fonts, layout, figured bass. What happens to articulations and expressions? Well, sending a from Finale to

Re: [Finale] Unexpected Quit on Start

2007-09-22 Thread dhbailey
A-NO-NE Music wrote: [snip] If app is crashing and tech support doesn't want crash log is simply wrong to me. But having to decipher a crash log would get in the way of their sending out the practically automatic We can't reproduce that here. replies. And it might actually involve doing

Re: [Finale] Unexpected Quit on Start

2007-09-22 Thread dhbailey
A-NO-NE Music wrote: Dick Hauser / 07.9.21 / 0:48 PM wrote: I offered up the crash log but the tech didn't want it. My initial post included the first bit of it but it's so long, I didn't include it all. I'll send it to you off list. I received it. I am not a programmer but here is my

Re: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-22 Thread dhbailey
dc wrote: Kim Patrick Clow écrit: I generated sample files for you at http://www.bytenet.net/kpclow/finale/dennis/ The Sibelius file is the original, the converted PDF is marked as Finale. As you can see, the figured bass gets mucked up a lot, but the note values are pretty much dead on.

Re: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-22 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 22.09.2007 Kim Patrick Clow wrote: No to be honest, and I'll be very happy when I get done with the last 15 finale files. Then that's it for me. I know you have a lot more than me however! So tell us, how is your Sibelius experience? Have you found it to be better, quicker, more powerful,

Re: [Finale] mirroring behaviour

2007-09-22 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 21.09.2007 dhbailey wrote: In event, the keystrokes are the same to get the same result, mirrors or plain copying -- shift-ctrl-click USED to put the material in the new measures, but for the past couple of versions, it is ctrl-click (opt-click, I think, on Macs) to paste the material

Re: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-22 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 22.09.2007 dhbailey wrote: The only way that files will ever be truly convertible with complete perfection and complete transparency in the process will be when the two companies sit down and agree on a file format that both will use. We know that will never happen. Well, I am not so

Re: [Finale] Re: Wishlist for Finale 2009

2007-09-22 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 21.09.2007 dc wrote: Can Finale 2007 or 2008 actually open XML files with this plug-in? Or does one have to go through the lenghty process of creating an empty score with only one staff and then importing the XML data into this? If not, are there any plans for Finale to be able to do so in

Re: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-22 Thread dhbailey
dc wrote: Johannes Gebauer écrit: How about bugs? I've been lurking on the Sibelius list for quite a while now, since I'm seriously thinking of switching, and there are hardly any complaints about outright bugs, compared to what one reads here. And then, another major difference is that in

Re: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-22 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
On 9/22/07, Johannes Gebauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So tell us, how is your Sibelius experience? Have you found it to be better, quicker, more powerful, easier to learn? Yes. Yes, yes, and Yes. But I know you are a very detailed Finale user, really a top notch expert, just like Dennis (and

Re: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-22 Thread dennis
Kim Patrick Clow écrit: Why, oh why, can't Finale produce decent looking PDF files? Windows? It does if you Compile Postscript Listing. Whatever method they use to print to Postscript is flawed, but the compilation is great. Here's an example from two weeks ago. It has flaws, but they're mine.

Re: [Finale] mirroring behaviour

2007-09-22 Thread dhbailey
Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 20.09.2007 Johannes Gebauer wrote: I am having problems in 2k7 mirroring passages using the method to shift-option-click on the target measure. This doesn't work with mirroring, it seems, and I am now remembering there was a bug somewhere. Can someone tell me what

Re: [Finale] Somewhat OT - Scanner Recommendations

2007-09-22 Thread David W. Fenton
On 20 Sep 2007 at 14:38, A-NO-NE Music wrote: ThomaStudios / 07.9.20 / 1:44 PM wrote: So, to the collective wisdom of this list, what are some of your recommendations on scanners? I am no scanner expert, but I always buy/recommend HP scanners, I used to be an HP fan, but a couple of

Re: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-22 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
dc wrote, on 9/22/2007 8:42 AM: Why, oh why, can't Finale produce decent looking PDF files? Since MM only reacts if many people complain, I urge all Windows Finalists to complain about the crappy PDFs produced by Finale. Here's an example from two weeks ago. It has flaws, but they're mine. :)

[Finale] OT: bell construction terminology

2007-09-22 Thread shirling neueweise
periodically there are postings about bell ringing here... does anyone know what the term is for the middle portion of the bell body? if i am talking about the thickness, is it the thickness of the WALL of the bell i would refer to? cheers, jef -- shirling neueweise ... new music

Re: [Finale] OT: bell construction terminology

2007-09-22 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
shirling neueweise wrote, on 9/22/2007 10:26 AM: periodically there are postings about bell ringing here... does anyone know what the term is for the middle portion of the bell body? if i am talking about the thickness, is it the thickness of the WALL of the bell i would refer to? Here's

Re: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-22 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
[Sorry for duplicates, folks; I'm doing some email transitioning, and one of my addresses isn't registered on the Finale list.] [EMAIL PROTECTED] écrit: Here's an example from two weeks ago. It has flaws, but they're mine. :)

Re: [Finale] Speedy entry, cursor doesn't move

2007-09-22 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
Does anybody have an answer to this? I'm still drawing a blank... Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote, on 9/17/2007 9:59 PM: This must be easy. A colleague also uses Finale Speedy entry, but with a Midi keyboard. I don't, so can't answer this. It sounds familiar, but neither of us can find it in the

Re: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-22 Thread dennis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] écrit: Here's an example from two weeks ago. It has flaws, but they're mine. :) http://maltedmedia.com/people/bathory/music/waam/low-clouds-evening-wind.pdf You're right, it does look good. So how do you go about producing it? Will it work with Win2K? I don't know. It

Re: [Finale] Unexpected Quit on Start

2007-09-22 Thread Dick Hauser
On Sep 21, 2007, at 11:01 PM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Dick Hauser / 07.9.21 / 0:48 PM wrote: I offered up the crash log but the tech didn't want it. My initial post included the first bit of it but it's so long, I didn't include it all. I'll send it to you off list. I received it. I am not

[Finale] Re: Converting SIBELIUS to FINALE

2007-09-22 Thread Henry E. Howey
According to michael Good, SIBELIUS provides less information than does FINALE; thus some of the problems;-( Henry Howey Professor of Music Sam Houston State University Box 2208 Huntsville, TX 77341 (936) 294-1364 http://www.shsu.edu/music/faculty/howey.php Owner of FINALE

Re(2): [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-22 Thread Leigh Daniels
Just noticed the following on the SibeliusMusic.com Chat page: Re: How are Your Scores Playing? Posted by Daniel at Sibelius - 10:45, 22 Sep 2007 Tony Matthews wrote: What is worrying is that all the problems with the playback reported by existing users of the software are

Re: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-22 Thread Christopher Smith
On 22-Sep-07, at 8:42 AM, dc wrote: Kim Patrick Clow écrit: I generated sample files for you at http://www.bytenet.net/kpclow/finale/dennis/ Another thing that strikes immediately is the difference in quality between in the PDFs on screen between Finale and Sibelius. Why, oh why, can't

Re: [Finale] Slightly OT: Paper weight

2007-09-22 Thread Christopher Smith
On 18-Sep-07, at 9:08 PM, John Howell wrote: At 8:44 PM -0400 9/18/07, Christopher Smith wrote: On Sep 18, 2007, at 7:12 PM, Adam Taylor wrote: I've seen discussions on this list about binding of score and parts, as well as printing of parts. I was just wondering what weight of paper

Re: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-22 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 22.09.2007 Christopher Smith wrote: The Finale PDF is apparently a Windows-produced PDF, and it shows up with grey lines (instead of black) when viewed onscreen using Preview (the Mac catch-all viewing program). This seems to be the case with most Windows PDFs I see. However, when I view

Re: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-22 Thread David W. Fenton
On 22 Sep 2007 at 4:26, dhbailey wrote: The only way that files will ever be truly convertible with complete perfection and complete transparency in the process will be when the two companies sit down and agree on a file format that both will use. We know that will never happen. That's

Re: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-22 Thread David W. Fenton
On 22 Sep 2007 at 11:13, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 22.09.2007 dhbailey wrote: The only way that files will ever be truly convertible with complete perfection and complete transparency in the process will be when the two companies sit down and agree on a file format that both will use.

Re: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-22 Thread David W. Fenton
On 22 Sep 2007 at 12:42, dc wrote: My feeling is that MM never provided backwards compatibility because they thought this would force users to upgrade. As a working programmer myself, I see it completely differently. First off, MM is on a yearly release schedule, whereas Sibelius is not.

[Finale] Re: Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-22 Thread Michael Good
Hi Dennis, Kim, and Johannes, Wow, lots of MusicXML discussion and questions. Here are some responses: Has anyone tried converting Sibelius 4 files to Finale with the Dolet 3 plug-in? There is no demo version, so I'm wondering how good the conversion is. We have put up a video on YouTube

Re: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-22 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 22.09.2007 David W. Fenton wrote: The key is that the converter has to understand the native methods for each part of the conversion. If Sibelius has a native figured bass capability, then the converter needs to take Finale figured bass and convert it to that. The problem with Finale is

Re: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-22 Thread David W. Fenton
On 22 Sep 2007 at 14:42, dc wrote: Kim Patrick Clow écrit: I generated sample files for you at http://www.bytenet.net/kpclow/finale/dennis/ Another thing that strikes immediately is the difference in quality between in the PDFs on screen between Finale and Sibelius. You know, I look at

Re: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-22 Thread David W. Fenton
On 22 Sep 2007 at 16:52, dc wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] écrit: Windows? It does if you Compile Postscript Listing. Whatever method they use to print to Postscript is flawed, but the compilation is great. Here's an example from two weeks ago. It has flaws, but they're mine. :)

Re: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-22 Thread David W. Fenton
On 22 Sep 2007 at 16:50, Christopher Smith wrote: The Finale PDF is apparently a Windows-produced PDF, and it shows up with grey lines (instead of black) when viewed onscreen using Preview (the Mac catch-all viewing program). This seems to be the case with most Windows PDFs I see.

Re: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-22 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
On 9/22/07, David W. Fenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problems in Kim's example seem to me to have zilch to do with PDF output and everything to do with input that has not had anything at all done to it to make it look right. I'm not sure I follow your point. Did you mean the layout of the

Re: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-22 Thread David W. Fenton
On 22 Sep 2007 at 19:09, Kim Patrick Clow wrote: On 9/22/07, David W. Fenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problems in Kim's example seem to me to have zilch to do with PDF output and everything to do with input that has not had anything at all done to it to make it look right. I'm not

Re: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-22 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
On 9/22/07, David W. Fenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you post a PDF derived from the source Finale file? Sure thing: http://www.bytenet.net/kpclow/finale/dennis/ I posted 3 new files... GWV529-Finale.pdf is a PDF of the Finale file. GWV529-Sibelius.pdf is a PDF of the Sibelius first

AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-22 Thread Kurt Gnos
I am on Windows XP using acrobat pro 7 and I have no PDF problems whatsoever. You can't blame the PDF output - the problem seems to be the Preview program on Mac. At least you ask the question yourself - Another issue for PDF on screen (actually, I just need it for printing most of the time, and

AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-22 Thread Kurt Gnos
I have no problems with Finale and PDF on Windows. I use Acrobat pro 7 and sometimes do 30 PDFs a day. They are crisp and clean. Don't blame Finale - check your program and settings. Kurt -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von [EMAIL

AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-22 Thread Kurt Gnos
God I'm glad I started this thread. Really - how about MakeMusic and Sibelius sitting down and discussing their future. I mean, they share most of the professional (and many less professional, no qualification intended) users wanting to notate musical scores. Thinking about some file

Re: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-22 Thread David W. Fenton
On 23 Sep 2007 at 2:34, Kurt Gnos wrote: Really - how about MakeMusic and Sibelius sitting down and discussing their future. I mean, they share most of the professional (and many less professional, no qualification intended) users wanting to notate musical scores. Well, companies usually

Re: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-22 Thread Eric Dannewitz
That is really sad. MakeMusic really needs to get it's ass in gear. dc wrote: Johannes Gebauer écrit: How about bugs? I've been lurking on the Sibelius list for quite a while now, since I'm seriously thinking of switching, and there are hardly any complaints about outright bugs, compared

Re: AW: [Finale] Converting from Sibelius to Finale

2007-09-22 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
Kurt Gnos wrote, on 9/22/2007 8:04 PM: I have no problems with Finale and PDF on Windows. I use Acrobat pro 7 and sometimes do 30 PDFs a day. They are crisp and clean. Don't blame Finale - check your program and settings. Can you post a PDF example on your website? One that is *printed* from