Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History

2008-11-14 Thread Eric Fiedler
Kim, You might want to take a look at the RIDIM (Répertoire International d'Iconographie Musicale) homepage: http://www.ridim-deutschland.de/ Also some of the volumes of the series Musikgeschichte in Bildern (VEB Leipzig) are pretty good. I think Bowles has done one of the volumes. Eric

Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History

2008-11-14 Thread dhbailey
David W. Fenton wrote: On 14 Nov 2008 at 8:28, dc wrote: [quoting http://www.minkoff-editions.com/musique_musicologie/pages/i- j.htm] this collection assembles in handy volumes, unencumbered by superfluous notes or de luxe presentation, I'm always suspicious of people who are suspicous of

Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy

2008-11-14 Thread dhbailey
Because Dean is capable of doing that without asking on the list, and Dean asked for opinions, which Robert gave. Don't you ever ask people who you know have used some product before you have, whether they are happy with it, before deciding whether or not you want to investigate further? I

RE: [Finale] To buy or not to buy

2008-11-14 Thread Fiskum, Steve
Well don't expect much when it comes to engraver slur improvements. They only went after the visual aspect, not REALLY fixing the slurs. So if the slur is loopy it will really show a loopy slur instead of never knowing until you print it out or view it from the right view percentage. Lame.

Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy

2008-11-14 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 14.11.2008 Fiskum, Steve wrote: Well don't expect much when it comes to engraver slur improvements. They only went after the visual aspect, not REALLY fixing the slurs. So if the slur is loopy it will really show a loopy slur instead of never knowing until you print it out or view it from

Re: [Finale] BBBOOOOUUUNNNEEESSSS

2008-11-14 Thread Dick Hauser
On Nov 13, 2008, at 6:49 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: What kind of bounces are these? From the server to an account. That's why one can't see any information related to the bounce. Dick H ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu

Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy

2008-11-14 Thread christopher.smith
In the 2009a update they changed the expression behaviour slightly so that expressions that have to avoid notes do so for layers other than 1. This, in addition to the knowledge that you can still have an expression stick to the beat originally assigned by holding down the Opt key when you move

Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy

2008-11-14 Thread Robert Patterson
The biggest problem with 09 expressions is that because they are not note-attached, they do not stay with the notes when you (metrically) move them. This comes into play most forcefully if you insert a rest before a note, or if you answer with one of the move options coming out of speedy with

Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy

2008-11-14 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
Hey, Folks... I appreciate all the responses posted to my query. Actually, I'm a little less concerned with what it (the newest upgrade) CAN do on the positive side, as opposed to the degree to which it will present me with hassles compared to my present version. I would hate to buy it

Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy

2008-11-14 Thread Fiskum, Steve
Another thing to think about... I haven't tested how TGTools' Smart Distribution of grouped parts or Smart Explosion of multi-part staves works on 09 but in 08 it is a disaster. It chokes 95% of the time. It forces me to go section by section of an entire score (usually in 10 measure increments)

Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy

2008-11-14 Thread Darcy James Argue
Hi Steve, I agree this part of TGTools a problem, but you are probably better off using Linked Parts for this function in Finale 2008 anyway. Speaking of which, does anyone have any idea if we are ever going to get a TGTools update for Fin2009? The lack of align-move support keeps me in

Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy

2008-11-14 Thread Fiskum, Steve
I don't understand how Linked Parts is going to help with this functionality. It's just not smart enough...at least not as smart as TGTools...was... Steve 11/14/08 10:27 AM, Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree this part of TGTools a problem, but you are probably better off

Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy

2008-11-14 Thread Darcy James Argue
The big advantage is that it is, well, linked. So it updates live, all the time, instead of being dependent on explosion. Also, it *works*, whereas the TGTools function is broken. It's not quite as smart as TGTools used to be but that point is rather moot since the TGTools function is not

Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy

2008-11-14 Thread shirling neueweise
expressions that have to avoid notes do so for layers other than 1. but robert sez they are no longer note-attached. how does this work if they are not note-attached? This, in addition to the knowledge that you can still have an expression stick to the beat originally assigned by holding

Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy

2008-11-14 Thread Eric Dannewitz
I got an email from Mr. Tobias and he said in the next few weeks which was about a week ago or so. So.hopefully before December? On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 8:27 AM, Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Steve, I agree this part of TGTools a problem, but you are probably better off

Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy

2008-11-14 Thread Darcy James Argue
They are beat-attached but they also check to see if there are notes on that beat. If there are, they avoid them. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 14 Nov 2008, at 11:32 AM, shirling neueweise wrote: expressions that have to avoid notes do so for layers other than 1. but

Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History

2008-11-14 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Nov 13, 2008, at 9:58 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: Many people try to take the images literally, when they were never created that way. James McKinnon, who taught a course on this at SUNY Buffalo back in the '70s, made the important distinction of realistic, but not real. A major example

Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History

2008-11-14 Thread David W. Fenton
On 14 Nov 2008 at 9:04, dc wrote: David W. Fenton écrit: I'm always suspicious of people who are suspicous of notes. Notes tell us things that we need to know and are usually not superfluous, except to those who want to remain unencumbered by facts. The English language is such that

Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History

2008-11-14 Thread David W. Fenton
On 14 Nov 2008 at 6:04, dhbailey wrote: David W. Fenton wrote: On 14 Nov 2008 at 8:28, dc wrote: [quoting http://www.minkoff-editions.com/musique_musicologie/pages/i- j.htm] this collection assembles in handy volumes, unencumbered by superfluous notes or de luxe presentation,

RE: [Finale] To buy or not to buy

2008-11-14 Thread David W. Fenton
On 14 Nov 2008 at 6:08, Fiskum, Steve wrote: Well don't expect much when it comes to engraver slur improvements. They only went after the visual aspect, not REALLY fixing the slurs. So if the slur is loopy it will really show a loopy slur instead of never knowing until you print it out or

[Finale] O.T. Professional MP3 players

2008-11-14 Thread Aaron Sherber
Hi all, I thought I might tap the collective expertise of this list on a different topic. I have a need for an iPod-like portable music player with the following requirements: 1. Hard-drive based (not flash) 2. Must support WAV playback 3. Must have a single-track mode, like CD players 4.

Re: [Finale] To buy or not to buy

2008-11-14 Thread David W. Fenton
On 14 Nov 2008 at 17:32, shirling neueweise wrote: if you mean moving the expression is now in absolute values instead of metric placement, it sounds like they have finally implemented something which should have been done long ago (and was in fact in sibelius). but that it is no longer

Re: [Finale] O.T. Professional MP3 players

2008-11-14 Thread Darcy James Argue
I don't understand what you mean by #3. Do you mean the ability to repeat a single track indefinitely? The iPod has that. Do you mean the ability to play a single track once and then stop? The iPod has that, too. And neither requires setting up each track as its own song. I also suspect

Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History

2008-11-14 Thread David W. Fenton
On 14 Nov 2008 at 21:37, dc wrote: David W. Fenton écrit: Prove me wrong, Dennis -- show me that there are notes, and that this is not an example of commercial promotion (i.e., advertising speak) at the expense of academic rigor. Well, I have Edmund Bowles' volume on the Middle Ages. But

Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History

2008-11-14 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
Hi there: Well the book I have is full of notes with excerpts from diaries or court accounts of the event shown in the illustrations. Christopher Hogwood wrote some introductory notes for this vol, and I believe Philip Pickett uses the chapter on triumphant processions as an source for his

Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History

2008-11-14 Thread David W. Fenton
On 14 Nov 2008 at 21:49, dc wrote: dc écrit: David W. Fenton écrit: Prove me wrong, Dennis -- show me that there are notes, and that this is not an example of commercial promotion (i.e., advertising speak) at the expense of academic rigor. Well, I have Edmund Bowles' volume on the Middle

Re: [Finale] O.T. Professional MP3 players

2008-11-14 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 03:49 PM 11/14/2008, Darcy James Argue wrote: Do you mean the ability to play a single track once and then stop? The iPod has that, too. Yes, I do mean that. I have been unable to find this on my Nano 3G, and I've also seen it discussed elsewhere as a shortcoming of the iPod. If you have

Re: [Finale] O.T. Professional MP3 players

2008-11-14 Thread Darcy James Argue
Hi Aaron, My apologies -- what I said was incorrect. My recollection was that if you chose a song from the Song menu instead of the Album menu, it would stop after one song, but I just tried that now and it seems I was mistaken. You do actually need to set up a playlist for each song in

Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History

2008-11-14 Thread David W. Fenton
On 14 Nov 2008 at 22:02, dc wrote: David W. Fenton écrit: Well, I have Edmund Bowles' volume on the Middle Ages. But the Minkoff website comment is *not* about that volume, but about a different one. Yes it is. It was in the list I sent of the Minkoff series. OK, I didn't understand

Re: [Finale] O.T. Professional MP3 players

2008-11-14 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 04:14 PM 11/14/2008, Darcy James Argue wrote: My recollection was that if you chose a song from the Song menu instead of the Album menu, it would stop after one song, but I just tried that now and it seems I was mistaken. You do actually need to set up a playlist for each song in order to do

[Finale] OT: HP Laserjet 5000 or 5100

2008-11-14 Thread Jane Frasier
I had an HP Laserjet 5000 and it was a great printer, however it has died. I have a brand new cartridge for it - the box never opened. It is a C4129X and the box also says 29x, high volume. I think I paid at least $150 for it. Since I don't have that printer I have no need for this. I would

[Finale] Page numbers in linked parts

2008-11-14 Thread agil
Could someone explain to me how is it possible to have (in linked parts) unlinked, independent page numbers when the first page of each part begins with different edit offsets? In an orchestral work with several movements, one has several files, and from the second one to on, score and parts

Re: [Finale] Page numbers in linked parts

2008-11-14 Thread Darcy James Argue
You could create a separate page number field for each part, showing just that one and hiding all the others -- but that's probably more trouble than it's worth and I suspect you are better off extracting. In future, it is almost always best to use a single score file for multimovement

Re: [Finale] O.T. Iconography in Music History

2008-11-14 Thread John Howell
At 2:03 PM -0500 11/14/08, Andrew Stiller wrote: James McKinnon, who taught a course on this at SUNY Buffalo back in the '70s, made the important distinction of realistic, but not real. A major example of this is a famous painting of St. Cecilia at the organ, in which the lengths of the

Re: [Finale] Page numbers in linked parts

2008-11-14 Thread agil
-- From: Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 6:43 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Page numbers in linked parts You could create a separate page number field for each part, showing just that one

Re: [Finale] Page numbers in linked parts

2008-11-14 Thread Darcy James Argue
Well, you can very easily convert the WAV file to MP3. Or you can specify a specific playback reason (for instance, one movement) before choosing Save As Audio. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 15 Nov 2008, at 1:45 AM, agil wrote: