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At 06:29 AM 2/23/05 -0500, Christopher Smith wrote: >Or for that matter, I could >even be Crystal. Man, is my wife going to be upset. Or not. :) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

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On Feb 22, 2005, at 11:24 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: I see no one in this discussion making any attempt whatsoever to dissuade you or Crystal or anyone else from their personal esthetic reactions to art -- all the disputation has been entirely on non- esthetic issues. And some of the non-esthetic i

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Hmm, not around here. Generally girls still in high school and younger are "mademoiselle", along with any woman you are hitting on, otherwise they are all "madame." But your point stands. Christopher On Feb 22, 2005, at 7:59 PM, HERMAN GERSTEN wrote: I was just being polite, Christopher. That's

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Sorry. The bar has already been raised to 54. Crystal Premo [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "Mariposa Symphony Orchestra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu To: Subject: Re: [Finale] OT: Christo's The Gates, NYC Central Park Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:16:04 -0800

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Thank you, Keith. I think I love you. :-) Crystal Premo [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "Keith Helgesen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu To: Subject: RE: [Finale] OT: Christo's The Gates, NYC Central Park Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:10:40 +1100 I really owe Crystal a

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On 23 Feb 2005 at 14:10, Keith Helgesen wrote: > I really owe Crystal a huge apology! > It was my original reference to "The Emperors Clothes" and *my* > perception of the "Art" as being like traffic diversion banners- to > which Crystal gave qualified agreement! . . . Not one person has dispute

Re: [Finale] OT: Christo's The Gates, NYC Central Park

Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] OT: Christo's The Gates, NYC Central Park At 03:34 PM 2/22/05 -0500, you wrote:>what is the cutoff age for "young" these days?55 years 11 months 9 days. So I'm still young until tomorrow.D_

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At 3:40 PM -0800 2/22/05, Mark D Lew wrote: Your defense of the space program -- which I personally consider a hideously wasteful boondoggle (that happens to cost the U.S. government more than 100 times as much as all spending on the arts) -- reminds me of something John Maynard Keynes once wrot

RE: [Finale] OT: Christo's The Gates, NYC Central Park

y Band. Ph: (02) 62910787. Band Mob. 0436-620587 Private Mob 0417-042171 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Crystal Premo Sent: Wednesday, 23 February 2005 11:59 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] OT: Christo's The Gates, NYC Central

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Actually, the use of "excuse me" in the context you used it IS kind of rude, implying that your knowledge is superior to mine. Excuse me, but not many on this list know more about the NYC schools than I do, having worked in the system on every grade level as both teacher and supervisor. Further

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Andrew, that statement about some NYC schools having no resources is nothing but hogwash. Excuse me, but there certainly are schools in NYC who have no resources. My friend teaches in a school that has no books or other such aids to help her teach mentally disadvantaged children. If the young

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I was just being polite, Christopher. That's all. Don't the French use "mademoiselle" the same way? On Feb 22, 2005, at 3:34 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Umm, just wondering, but what makes you think Crystal is young? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu

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Absolutely, there are many schools with no resources. I know a woman who teaches in such a school in the Bronx. Crystal Premo [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "David W. Fenton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], finale@shsu.edu To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] O

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nale@shsu.edu To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] OT: Christo's The Gates, NYC Central Park Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 15:34:34 -0500 On Feb 22, 2005, at 2:52 PM, HERMAN GERSTEN wrote: If the young lady who made the statement Umm, just wondering, but what makes you think Crystal is young? (no

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On Feb 22, 2005, at 7:28 AM, John Howell wrote: The arguments against the space program, which is the ONLY way we can eventually ensure the survival of the human race, are similar. But where do these people think that money actually goes? It doesn't disappear into some black hole. It is used

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On Feb 22, 2005, at 4:28 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: At 04:15 PM 2/22/05 -0500, Christopher Smith wrote: Funny this comes up like this; I had no problems at all turning 40 - it was 35 I had problems with. Why, you may ask? It's because all the young composers contests have cutoff ages of 35 We

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At 04:15 PM 2/22/05 -0500, Christopher Smith wrote: >Funny this comes up like this; I had no problems at all turning 40 - it >was 35 I had problems with. Why, you may ask? It's because all the >young composers contests have cutoff ages of 35 We gave our annual Golden Bruce Award over this: http

Re: [Finale] OT: Christo's The Gates, NYC Central Park

On Feb 22, 2005, at 3:43 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: At 03:34 PM 2/22/05 -0500, you wrote: what is the cutoff age for "young" these days? 55 years 11 months 9 days. So I'm still young until tomorrow. At which time the cutoff point will undoubtedly move up another day. 8-) Funny this comes up li

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At 03:34 PM 2/22/05 -0500, you wrote: >what is the cutoff age for "young" these days? 55 years 11 months 9 days. So I'm still young until tomorrow. D ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

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On Feb 22, 2005, at 2:52 PM, HERMAN GERSTEN wrote: If the young lady who made the statement Umm, just wondering, but what makes you think Crystal is young? (no offense, Crystal, I just had no idea what your age was! For that matter, what is the cutoff age for "young" these days?) 8-) Christoph

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On 22 Feb 2005 at 14:52, Phil Daley wrote: > At 2/22/2005 02:43 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote: > > >> a middle school in the Bronx that has no resources at all: no > books, >> no lockers, nothing they need. > >Not to deny the > inadequacy of school funding, but is there in fact, >anywhere in NYC,

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Andrew, that statement about some NYC schools having no resources is nothing but hogwash. If the young lady who made the statement actually knows about such a school, she ought to notify the region superintendent's office immediately instead of ranting about what Martians may think of us. Herm

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At 2/22/2005 02:43 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote: >> a middle school in the Bronx that has no resources at all: no books, >> no lockers, nothing they need. > >Not to deny the inadequacy of school funding, but is there in fact, >anywhere in NYC, such a school? Even in Mass. a state with one of the high

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On Feb 21, 2005, at 4:16 PM, Crystal Premo wrote: I strongly believe that we needs the arts, but let's look at this from a different vantage point. What would, say, Martians think if were watching us from space and observing us as one people with single set of resources, If the Martians had a s

[Finale] OT: Christo's The Gates, NYC Central Park

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> HERMAN GERSTEN writes: >I must take issue with the statement below, also. If your reaction is >illogical, it is NOT as legitimate as a reaction that is logical. It's not illogical, if you consider it as recommending a policy that is a lot more radical than most of y

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> I may not totally agree, but I don't think I said anything on > goverment funding, did I? I don't think you did, I was just going off on one :) -- Simon Troup Digital Music Art - Finale IRC channel server: irc.chatspike.net port: 6667 channel: #Finale --

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I may not totally agree, but I don't think I said anything on goverment funding, did I? Actually, fact is that opera without some kind of external funding is simply not possible (at least not Grand Opera of any kind). Whether this should be the government or not is certainly another question, a

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On Tuesday, February 22, 2005, at 10:00 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: I think the Martians would probably be impressed, actually. (By the gates, not by the schools.) I wished I was in New York to be able to see it. When Christo did the Reichstag in Berlin I missed it, and everyone who was there s

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At 8:04 PM -0500 2/21/05, David W. Fenton wrote: On 21 Feb 2005 at 19:33, Crystal Premo wrote: I'm sorry, but I take offense to being called illogical because you don't agree with my reaction to an artistic display. It's not your esthetic reaction that's being criticized, but your truly illogical

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> Oh well, lets move one to concerts. And what about opera, who needs > that anyway? An opera production easily costs a million, how about > giving that to schools. > > Actually, I am joking, I wasn't. I think opera should be self sustaining and certainly not be funded by government. Funding a sh

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all: no books, no lockers, nothing they need. Crystal Premo [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Daniel Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] OT: Christo's The Gates, NYC Central Park Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:43:47 +0100 My strongest feel

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On 21 Feb 2005 at 19:33, Crystal Premo wrote: > I'm sorry, but I take offense to being called illogical because you > don't agree with my reaction to an artistic display. It's not your esthetic reaction that's being criticized, but your truly illogical point about school funding. The money spent

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I'm sorry, but you just don't get it. Happy President's Day. On Feb 21, 2005, at 7:33 PM, Crystal Premo wrote: I take offense to being called illogical because you don't agree with my reaction to an artistic display. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.e

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I'm sorry, but I take offense to being called illogical because you don't agree with my reaction to an artistic display. Crystal Premo [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: HERMAN GERSTEN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] OT: Christo&

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I must take issue with the statement below, also. If your reaction is illogical, it is NOT as legitimate as a reaction that is logical. You are entitled to be illogical if you really want to, however, just don't complain when your illogical position is pointed out to you. And who was it who "sp

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le] OT: Christo's The Gates, NYC Central Park Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 16:28:51 -0500 This is illogical, Crystal. Having art in the park has nothing at all to do with the condition of our schools. We can have both, one or the other or neither. They are NOT interdependent. Using your premise, there ou

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e - From: Crystal Premo To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] OT: Christo's The Gates, NYC Central Park I strongly believe that we needs the arts, but let's look at this from a different vantage point.  What woul

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This is illogical, Crystal. Having art in the park has nothing at all to do with the condition of our schools. We can have both, one or the other or neither. They are NOT interdependent. Using your premise, there ought not to be any space exploration because our health care system is wanting.

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le@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] OT: Christo's The Gates, NYC Central Park Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:43:47 +0100 My strongest feeling, though, was that they could have built a couple of schools in New York for the same money and created something of both beauty and lasting value. I believe

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chool in the Bronx that has no resources at all: no books, no lockers, nothing they need. Crystal Premo [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Daniel Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] OT: Christo's The Gates, NYC Central Park Date: Mon, 2

Subject: Re: [Finale] OT: Christo's The Gates, NYC Central Park

Subject: Re: [Finale] OT: Christo's The Gates, NYC Central Park << Thought this site was funny...done in good spirit of course: <http://www.smilinggoat.com/crackers.html> >> and another variation for your viewing pleasure: http://www.not-rocket-science.com/g

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My strongest feeling, though, was that they could have built a couple of schools in New York for the same money and created something of both beauty and lasting value. I believe that there is an error in this line of thinking. There is no "the same money". If this privately-funded project did n

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> My strongest feeling, though, was that they could have built a couple > of schools in New York for the same money and created something of > both beauty and lasting value. We have a similar argument in the UK for stopping the funding of all opera. Hurrah! -- Simon Troup Digital Music Art

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ED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], finale@shsu.edu To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: RE: [Finale] OT: Christo's The Gates, NYC Central Park Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 22:30:21 -0500 On 20 Feb 2005 at 19:37, Crystal Premo wrote: > I must confess that I used almost the exact words. It didn't uplift

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On 20 Feb 2005 at 19:21, Raymond Horton wrote: > Great pictures, David! > > What did you think of it? Well, I was predisposed to liking it, as I've always liked the Christo concepts (though I've never seen one in person; my favorites are the wrapped island and the fences). However, having see

RE: [Finale] OT: Christo's The Gates, NYC Central Park

On 20 Feb 2005 at 19:37, Crystal Premo wrote: > I must confess that I used almost the exact words. It didn't uplift > me in any way. This kind of art is not really something you can appreciate in pictures -- it's really only something you can "get" except by walking through it. -- David W. F

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e] OT: Christo's The Gates, NYC Central Park David W. Fenton wrote: > I know this is completely off-topic, not even tangential, but I > strolled through Central Park yesterday and took about 100 pictures. > Most of them are up at: > > http://www.dfenton.com/Gates/ > &

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Great pictures, David! What did you think of it? Ray H. David W. Fenton wrote: I know this is completely off-topic, not even tangential, but I strolled through Central Park yesterday and took about 100 pictures. Most of them are up at: http://www.dfenton.com/Gates/ This is not the place for a d

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0417-042171 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carl Dershem Sent: Monday, 21 February 2005 9:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] OT: Christo's The Gates, NYC Central Park David W. Fenton wrote: > I know

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Really very, very nice, David. I was there yesterday in the late afternoon shooting with frozen fingers. But it was worth it. Herman On Feb 20, 2005, at 5:02 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: http://www.dfenton.com/Gates/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.e

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Nice pictures David..thank you for sharing them! I am a big fan of Cristo and Jeanne-Claude...heard an interview on the radio and they have a great outlook on things in my opinion! Thought this site was funny...done in good spirit of course: -K I know

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David W. Fenton wrote: I know this is completely off-topic, not even tangential, but I strolled through Central Park yesterday and took about 100 pictures. Most of them are up at: http://www.dfenton.com/Gates/ This is not the place for a discussion of the artistic esthetics, so if you have co

[Finale] OT: Christo's The Gates, NYC Central Park

I know this is completely off-topic, not even tangential, but I strolled through Central Park yesterday and took about 100 pictures. Most of them are up at: http://www.dfenton.com/Gates/ This is not the place for a discussion of the artistic esthetics, so if you have comment, email me direct