Re: [Finale] Beaming 5/16 in One Group
Another way is to make the composite signature 1/16+16+16+16+16 with 5/16 as display. On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 2:24 PM David Wolfson wrote: > .625 /2 in the composite time signature box would give you what you want, > with 5/16 for display. > > David Wolfson > www.davidwolfsonmusic.net > > > On Oct 19, 2018, at 1:00 PM, < > finale-requ...@shsu.edu> wrote: > > > > . Beaming 5/16 in One Group > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Beaming 5/16 in One Group
Word. This is the most creative “little thing” I’ve seen in a long time. And I worked for MM for 15 years Allen Allen Fisher allen.fis...@gmail.com On Oct 20, 2018, 5:04 AM -0500, SN jef chippewa , wrote: > > WAAHH! > > no way, that is awesome > > > .625 /2 in the composite time signature box would give you what you want, > > with 5/16 for display. > > -- > neueweise -- fonts for new music and traditional notation > http://newmusicnotation.com/fonts > shirling & neueweise | http://newmusicnotation.com > new music notation + translation + arts management > [FB] http://facebook.com/neueweise| [TW] http://twitter.com/neueweise > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Beaming 5/16 in One Group
WAAHH! no way, that is awesome > .625 /2 in the composite time signature box would give you what you want, > with 5/16 for display. -- neueweise -- fonts for new music and traditional notation http://newmusicnotation.com/fonts shirling & neueweise | http://newmusicnotation.com new music notation + translation + arts management [FB] http://facebook.com/neueweise| [TW] http://twitter.com/neueweise ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] Beaming 5/16 in One Group
.625 /2 in the composite time signature box would give you what you want, with 5/16 for display. David Wolfson www.davidwolfsonmusic.net > On Oct 19, 2018, at 1:00 PM, > wrote: > > . Beaming 5/16 in One Group ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Beaming 5/16 in One Group
use a composite time signature of 1+9/32 showing alternate 5/16. if you use a 32nd on the 1st beat, do the same thing but at the /64 level. > That will only give you 5 separate 16th notes. > Normally you would use the Composite Time Sig, but for 5/16th it doesn’t > quite work. > Normally you would type 1 in the top and then click EDU and type the added > value of 5 16th notes = 1280 > But that doesn’t seem to work. EDU can only be used for "single-symbol" durations and their dotted and double-dotted versions (1/32, 3/16, 7/32). anything that needs to be tied (5/16, 9/anything) can't be represented as EDUs. > Workaround is to just have a regular 5/16 time signature and after you have > input the music, highlight the section and under Utilities select > Rebeam-Rebeam to Time Signature. Then enter the value of a half note > (something bigger than 5 16th notes). That should give you what you want. > >> Is there a way to set the time signature to 5/16 while grouping the five > >> sixteenths under the same beam, within the Time Signature Tool? Looks like > >> I’m missing something. > >> > >> Giovanni ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Beaming 5/16 in One Group
That will only give you 5 separate 16th notes. Normally you would use the Composite Time Sig, but for 5/16th it doesn’t quite work. Normally you would type 1 in the top and then click EDU and type the added value of 5 16th notes = 1280 But that doesn’t seem to work. Workaround is to just have a regular 5/16 time signature and after you have input the music, highlight the section and under Utilities select Rebeam-Rebeam to Time Signature. Then enter the value of a half note (something bigger than 5 16th notes). That should give you what you want. Thomas Schaller > On Oct 19, 2018, at 9:41 AM, Skjalg Bjørstad > wrote: > > Use «Composite Time Signature»> Type 5 in the top left field and 16 below. > > Skjalg - for anledningen på nett med iPhone. > >> 19. okt. 2018 kl. 08:39 skrev Giovanni Andreani : >> >> Hello, >> >> Is there a way to set the time signature to 5/16 while grouping the five >> sixteenths under the same beam, within the Time Signature Tool? Looks like >> I’m missing something. >> >> Giovanni >> >> >> >> >> Giovanni Andreani >> >> www.giovanniandreani.com >> www.ga-music.com >> >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Beaming 5/16 in One Group
Use «Composite Time Signature»> Type 5 in the top left field and 16 below. Skjalg - for anledningen på nett med iPhone. > 19. okt. 2018 kl. 08:39 skrev Giovanni Andreani : > > Hello, > > Is there a way to set the time signature to 5/16 while grouping the five > sixteenths under the same beam, within the Time Signature Tool? Looks like > I’m missing something. > > Giovanni > > > > > Giovanni Andreani > > www.giovanniandreani.com > www.ga-music.com > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] Beaming 5/16 in One Group
Hello, Is there a way to set the time signature to 5/16 while grouping the five sixteenths under the same beam, within the Time Signature Tool? Looks like I’m missing something. Giovanni Giovanni Andreani www.giovanniandreani.com www.ga-music.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] beaming over rests
Fin2012c Win 8.1 When the beams are set to go over the rests, the rests are globally pushed down into the first space. How to keep them in their normal position? Thanks for your help! Dr.A.S.Weinstangel sasha.weinstan...@utoronto.ca cel.647-292-4605 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] beaming over rests
Thank you Klaus! That did it. I was going in circles here :-( Dr.A.S.Weinstangel sasha.weinstan...@utoronto.ca cel.647-292-4605 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 13:58:41 + From: yorkmaster...@yahoo.com To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] beaming over rests = Document Options (alt+cmd+A on Mac)= Beams= Uncheck: Allow Rests To Float Klaus Subject: Re: [Finale] beaming over rests Fin2012c Win 8.1 When the beams are set to go over the rests, the rests are globally pushed down into the first space. How to keep them in their normal position? Thanks for your help! Dr.A.S.Weinstangel ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] beaming over rests
= Document Options (alt+cmd+A on Mac)= Beams= Uncheck: Allow Rests To Float Klaus Subject: Re: [Finale] beaming over rests Fin2012c Win 8.1 When the beams are set to go over the rests, the rests are globally pushed down into the first space. How to keep them in their normal position? Thanks for your help! Dr.A.S.Weinstangel ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Beaming groups and copying beaming groups
All you have to do is set your time signature to 3+3+3+3+2/8 (using a composite time sig -- put the entire numerator in the first box rather than one digit in each) and then set the time sig to display as 7/4. If you have music already entered, you can rebeam the music to this composite sig. Aaron. On 11/29/2014 5:41 PM, Dean Rosenthal wrote: Hi, I want to create custom beaming groups within a time signature. For example, 4 groups of 3 eighths in 7/4 leaving a quarter rest. Default beaming is 2 eighths. Additionally, I would like to know how to copy that pattern (cut and paste) without the formatting reverting back to groups of 2 eighths. I want to do this as a batch process, *without* using the / for each grouping – because that takes a LOT of time for lengthier group or multiple irregular beamings. Ideas? Workarounds are ok. Jari, do you have a Plug-in for this? Jari W: Specifically, I have a question for you about the Free Time and Create Time Signature in Transform To Contents in the Meter and Rhythm plugin. Free Time seems to break longer groupings into multiple time signatures, which affects the visual layout due to spacing between hidden measures if you remove the bar lines and the Create Time Signature is something I'm experiencing the same way – for example 17 eighth notes don't convert to 17/8. Or am I not using them correctly? Dean ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] Beaming groups and copying beaming groups
Hi, I want to create custom beaming groups within a time signature. For example, 4 groups of 3 eighths in 7/4 leaving a quarter rest. Default beaming is 2 eighths. Additionally, I would like to know how to copy that pattern (cut and paste) without the formatting reverting back to groups of 2 eighths. I want to do this as a batch process, *without* using the / for each grouping – because that takes a LOT of time for lengthier group or multiple irregular beamings. Ideas? Workarounds are ok. Jari, do you have a Plug-in for this? Jari W: Specifically, I have a question for you about the Free Time and Create Time Signature in Transform To Contents in the Meter and Rhythm plugin. Free Time seems to break longer groupings into multiple time signatures, which affects the visual layout due to spacing between hidden measures if you remove the bar lines and the Create Time Signature is something I'm experiencing the same way – for example 17 eighth notes don't convert to 17/8. Or am I not using them correctly? Dean -- Dean Rosenthal www.deanrosenthal.org ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] Beaming of eighth notes; default rests
Finale insists on beaming eighth and sixteenth notes across rests and between beats, even though I have turned this off in Preferences. Any ideas? Also, when I enter notes in a 4/4 measure that will end with 1-1/2 beats rest, Finale automatically fills in a dotted quarter rest. It should be an eighth rest followed by a quarter. I can't figure out how to change this. I'm using Finale 2014 for Windows, which other than this is working fine for me. Steve Larsen ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Beaming Groups of Tuplet 16ths
Hi Patricia, Have you tried Special Tools Secondary Beam Break Tool? Click on beams. Select the forth box from the left and press enter. A dialog appears asking what to do. Tell it Break only and check 16th. It just worked for me. Hope this helps. Eric * Habsburger Verlag Frankfurt (Dr. Fiedler) www.habsburgerverlag.de webmas...@habsburgerverlag.de * Am 16.07.2014 um 07:53 schrieb Patricia Spedden psped...@huntington.edu: Does anyone know how to beam two groups of 16th note triplets with an 8th beam to clearly show two halves of one beat? When I press the slash key, it automatically beams both sets of triplet 16ths with a continuous 6-note double beam, and I need to show the rhythm more clearly. Sincerely, Patricia Spedden ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Beaming Groups of Tuplet 16ths
Eric tells the truth. If you have a whole bunch of them, you may be despairing of the amount of mouse-clicks it will take, but fortunately you can copy ONLY beam alterations without copying the notes or other things, by setting the filter. The triplets would have to be on the same beat in the bar to copy easily, but that should be a problem. Also JW Pattern (free 3rd party plugin) will copy beaming easily. Christopher On Wed Jul 16, at WednesdayJul 16 3:43 AM, Eric Fiedler wrote: Hi Patricia, Have you tried Special Tools Secondary Beam Break Tool? Click on beams. Select the forth box from the left and press enter. A dialog appears asking what to do. Tell it Break only and check 16th. It just worked for me. Hope this helps. Eric * Habsburger Verlag Frankfurt (Dr. Fiedler) www.habsburgerverlag.de webmas...@habsburgerverlag.de * Am 16.07.2014 um 07:53 schrieb Patricia Spedden psped...@huntington.edu: Does anyone know how to beam two groups of 16th note triplets with an 8th beam to clearly show two halves of one beat? When I press the slash key, it automatically beams both sets of triplet 16ths with a continuous 6-note double beam, and I need to show the rhythm more clearly. Sincerely, Patricia Spedden ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Beaming Groups of Tuplet 16ths
Thanks so much. Eric's instructions were perfect, and I appreciated the copy/filter suggestion since there are a couple instances in this composition. Patricia Spedden From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Christopher Smith [christopher.sm...@videotron.ca] Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 8:15 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Beaming Groups of Tuplet 16ths Eric tells the truth. If you have a whole bunch of them, you may be despairing of the amount of mouse-clicks it will take, but fortunately you can copy ONLY beam alterations without copying the notes or other things, by setting the filter. The triplets would have to be on the same beat in the bar to copy easily, but that should be a problem. Also JW Pattern (free 3rd party plugin) will copy beaming easily. Christopher On Wed Jul 16, at WednesdayJul 16 3:43 AM, Eric Fiedler wrote: Hi Patricia, Have you tried Special Tools Secondary Beam Break Tool? Click on beams. Select the forth box from the left and press enter. A dialog appears asking what to do. Tell it Break only and check 16th. It just worked for me. Hope this helps. Eric * Habsburger Verlag Frankfurt (Dr. Fiedler) www.habsburgerverlag.de webmas...@habsburgerverlag.de * Am 16.07.2014 um 07:53 schrieb Patricia Spedden psped...@huntington.edu: Does anyone know how to beam two groups of 16th note triplets with an 8th beam to clearly show two halves of one beat? When I press the slash key, it automatically beams both sets of triplet 16ths with a continuous 6-note double beam, and I need to show the rhythm more clearly. Sincerely, Patricia Spedden ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] Beaming Groups of Tuplet 16ths
Does anyone know how to beam two groups of 16th note triplets with an 8th beam to clearly show two halves of one beat? When I press the slash key, it automatically beams both sets of triplet 16ths with a continuous 6-note double beam, and I need to show the rhythm more clearly. Sincerely, Patricia Spedden ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] beaming
Listers, I have been doing a setting of a piece in cut time. The piece has lots of eighth notes in groups of 4.and often, the grouping is 2 eighths, eighth rest/eighth note. Finale beams all four together, but I only want the first 2 eighths beamed, leaving the rest and the final eighth un beamed. I am sure there is an intelligent way to set this up so that I don't have to keep regrouping the figures, but I just can't figure out how to do it. Suggestions, please. Thanks, Larry Eden ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming
Use the Contextual Menu (two ways, either in Selection Tool right click (or control click in Mac) the time sig, or in the Time Sig tool right click the first bar where you want it) and select 2/2 (beam as 4/4) or Cut Time (beam as 4/4). This will not change anything already entered, but from now on it will beam 4 8ths together (assuming you have that option selected in Doc OptionsBeaming.) You can Rebeam (Utilities menu) to change things that have already been entered. Christopher On Fri Dec 21, at FridayDec 21 9:36 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote: Listers, I have been doing a setting of a piece in cut time. The piece has lots of eighth notes in groups of 4.and often, the grouping is 2 eighths, eighth rest/eighth note. Finale beams all four together, but I only want the first 2 eighths beamed, leaving the rest and the final eighth un beamed. I am sure there is an intelligent way to set this up so that I don't have to keep regrouping the figures, but I just can't figure out how to do it. Suggestions, please. Thanks, Larry Eden ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming
Hi Chris, This is true, but Larry also needs to go to Document Options - Beams and turn off Include Rests when Beaming in Groups of Four (and also turn off Beam Three Eighth Notes Before/After an Eighth Rest if desired). Then follow your steps. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On Dec 21, 2012, at 7:07 AM, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: Use the Contextual Menu (two ways, either in Selection Tool right click (or control click in Mac) the time sig, or in the Time Sig tool right click the first bar where you want it) and select 2/2 (beam as 4/4) or Cut Time (beam as 4/4). This will not change anything already entered, but from now on it will beam 4 8ths together (assuming you have that option selected in Doc OptionsBeaming.) You can Rebeam (Utilities menu) to change things that have already been entered. Christopher On Fri Dec 21, at FridayDec 21 9:36 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote: Listers, I have been doing a setting of a piece in cut time. The piece has lots of eighth notes in groups of 4.and often, the grouping is 2 eighths, eighth rest/eighth note. Finale beams all four together, but I only want the first 2 eighths beamed, leaving the rest and the final eighth un beamed. I am sure there is an intelligent way to set this up so that I don't have to keep regrouping the figures, but I just can't figure out how to do it. Suggestions, please. Thanks, Larry Eden ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming
Hi Darcy, Do those settings affect cut time as well as common time? I seem to recall setting up 4/4 but displaying cut time previously in order to access those features. Don Hart On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Darcy James Argue djar...@earthlink.netwrote: Hi Chris, This is true, but Larry also needs to go to Document Options - Beams and turn off Include Rests when Beaming in Groups of Four (and also turn off Beam Three Eighth Notes Before/After an Eighth Rest if desired). Then follow your steps. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On Dec 21, 2012, at 7:07 AM, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: Use the Contextual Menu (two ways, either in Selection Tool right click (or control click in Mac) the time sig, or in the Time Sig tool right click the first bar where you want it) and select 2/2 (beam as 4/4) or Cut Time (beam as 4/4). This will not change anything already entered, but from now on it will beam 4 8ths together (assuming you have that option selected in Doc OptionsBeaming.) You can Rebeam (Utilities menu) to change things that have already been entered. Christopher On Fri Dec 21, at FridayDec 21 9:36 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote: Listers, I have been doing a setting of a piece in cut time. The piece has lots of eighth notes in groups of 4.and often, the grouping is 2 eighths, eighth rest/eighth note. Finale beams all four together, but I only want the first 2 eighths beamed, leaving the rest and the final eighth un beamed. I am sure there is an intelligent way to set this up so that I don't have to keep regrouping the figures, but I just can't figure out how to do it. Suggestions, please. Thanks, Larry Eden ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming
They affect what happens when you choose Cut Time (beam as 4/4) for your time signature, as Chris suggested -- this is effectively the same thing as setting up 4/4 but choosing cut time for display. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On Dec 21, 2012, at 1:20 PM, Don Hart donhartmu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Darcy, Do those settings affect cut time as well as common time? I seem to recall setting up 4/4 but displaying cut time previously in order to access those features. Don Hart On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Darcy James Argue djar...@earthlink.netwrote: Hi Chris, This is true, but Larry also needs to go to Document Options - Beams and turn off Include Rests when Beaming in Groups of Four (and also turn off Beam Three Eighth Notes Before/After an Eighth Rest if desired). Then follow your steps. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On Dec 21, 2012, at 7:07 AM, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: Use the Contextual Menu (two ways, either in Selection Tool right click (or control click in Mac) the time sig, or in the Time Sig tool right click the first bar where you want it) and select 2/2 (beam as 4/4) or Cut Time (beam as 4/4). This will not change anything already entered, but from now on it will beam 4 8ths together (assuming you have that option selected in Doc OptionsBeaming.) You can Rebeam (Utilities menu) to change things that have already been entered. Christopher On Fri Dec 21, at FridayDec 21 9:36 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote: Listers, I have been doing a setting of a piece in cut time. The piece has lots of eighth notes in groups of 4.and often, the grouping is 2 eighths, eighth rest/eighth note. Finale beams all four together, but I only want the first 2 eighths beamed, leaving the rest and the final eighth un beamed. I am sure there is an intelligent way to set this up so that I don't have to keep regrouping the figures, but I just can't figure out how to do it. Suggestions, please. Thanks, Larry Eden ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming issue
Some older vocal engraving actually prefers individual flags with no beaming at all, a practice that goes back to 16th century printing from individual pieces of type. I've never actually seen a preference for beaming in duplets in vocal music. And most modern vocal engraving, unless it deliberately mimics the older method, uses beaming exactly like instrumental. What IS sometimes done in modern editions of earlier music is to beam according to how many notes go with a single syllable, which is better indicated with slurs. John At 3:45 PM -0500 7/14/11, Fiskum, Steve wrote: Although some vocal engraving prefers beaming in groups of two while instrumental engraving is in four. You can change this with your Time Sig. tool or Doc. OptionsBeaming. Steve From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Darcy James Argue [djar...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 3:21 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] beaming issue Hi Eric, Beaming eighth notes in groups of four is of course completely correct in 4/4. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 14 Jul 2011, at 3:21 AM, Eric Fiedler wrote: M ... Can anyone on the list confirm this beaming issue? (FinMac 2011, OS 10.6.8) Enter a measure of eight-notes in 4/4 with Speedy/Midi. They are beamed together in groups of _four_. :-( Rebeaming to the time signature 4/4 doesn't work, although rebeaming to 8/8 and 1/1 does. This has just started happening with OS 10.6.8 ... I think. Any fellow-sufferers out there? Eric Habsburger Verlag Frankfurt (Dr. Fiedler) www.habsburgerverlag.de eric.f.fied...@t-online.de e.fied...@em.uni-frankfurt.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] beaming issue
M ... Can anyone on the list confirm this beaming issue? (FinMac 2011, OS 10.6.8) Enter a measure of eight-notes in 4/4 with Speedy/Midi. They are beamed together in groups of _four_. :-( Rebeaming to the time signature 4/4 doesn't work, although rebeaming to 8/8 and 1/1 does. This has just started happening with OS 10.6.8 ... I think. Any fellow-sufferers out there? Eric Habsburger Verlag Frankfurt (Dr. Fiedler) www.habsburgerverlag.de eric.f.fied...@t-online.de e.fied...@em.uni-frankfurt.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming issue
On 7/14/2011 6:21 AM, Eric Fiedler wrote: Enter a measure of eight-notes in 4/4 with Speedy/Midi. They are beamed together in groups of _four_. :-( This is longtime and intentional behavior, but you can turn it off if you don't like it. Take a look in Document Options under Beaming, Beam four eighth notes together in common time. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming issue
Hi Eric, Beaming eighth notes in groups of four is of course completely correct in 4/4. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 14 Jul 2011, at 3:21 AM, Eric Fiedler wrote: M ... Can anyone on the list confirm this beaming issue? (FinMac 2011, OS 10.6.8) Enter a measure of eight-notes in 4/4 with Speedy/Midi. They are beamed together in groups of _four_. :-( Rebeaming to the time signature 4/4 doesn't work, although rebeaming to 8/8 and 1/1 does. This has just started happening with OS 10.6.8 ... I think. Any fellow-sufferers out there? Eric Habsburger Verlag Frankfurt (Dr. Fiedler) www.habsburgerverlag.de eric.f.fied...@t-online.de e.fied...@em.uni-frankfurt.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming issue
Although some vocal engraving prefers beaming in groups of two while instrumental engraving is in four. You can change this with your Time Sig. tool or Doc. OptionsBeaming. Steve From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Darcy James Argue [djar...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 3:21 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] beaming issue Hi Eric, Beaming eighth notes in groups of four is of course completely correct in 4/4. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 14 Jul 2011, at 3:21 AM, Eric Fiedler wrote: M ... Can anyone on the list confirm this beaming issue? (FinMac 2011, OS 10.6.8) Enter a measure of eight-notes in 4/4 with Speedy/Midi. They are beamed together in groups of _four_. :-( Rebeaming to the time signature 4/4 doesn't work, although rebeaming to 8/8 and 1/1 does. This has just started happening with OS 10.6.8 ... I think. Any fellow-sufferers out there? Eric Habsburger Verlag Frankfurt (Dr. Fiedler) www.habsburgerverlag.de eric.f.fied...@t-online.de e.fied...@em.uni-frankfurt.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming issue
Aaron, Thanks for the tip. I'd forgotten about this default. I do know that beaming 4 eights together in common time is, in general, standard practice, but there are cases where it leads to ugly results — where large intervals are involved, for instance — and I was annoyed that I couldn't override this behavior with the rebeam command and had to resort to beam-breaking by hand. Eric Habsburger Verlag Frankfurt (Dr. Fiedler) www.habsburgerverlag.de eric.f.fied...@t-online.de e.fied...@em.uni-frankfurt.de On 14.07.2011, at 12:47, Aaron Sherber wrote: On 7/14/2011 6:21 AM, Eric Fiedler wrote: Enter a measure of eight-notes in 4/4 with Speedy/Midi. They are beamed together in groups of _four_. :-( This is longtime and intentional behavior, but you can turn it off if you don't like it. Take a look in Document Options under Beaming, Beam four eighth notes together in common time. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] beaming issue
I'm using 2011 for Windows, and I HAVE turned that off, and it STILL insists on grouping in fours. Is there another switch somewhere that I'm missing that I need to also turn off to stop this? The one that really kills me is it's still beaming over rests, which I see as a modern thing, but has no place in my transcriptions/arrangements of Vivaldi. Is there another place where THIS issue is handled separately from the document options? Thanks in advance, Michael Wittenburg ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming issue
On 7/14/2011 6:22 PM, delius...@aol.com wrote: I'm using 2011 for Windows, and I HAVE turned that off, and it STILL insists on grouping in fours. Is there another switch somewhere that I'm missing that I need to also turn off to stop this? The one that really kills me is it's still beaming over rests, which I see as a modern thing, but has no place in my transcriptions/arrangements of Vivaldi. Is there another place where THIS issue is handled separately from the document options? Is this perhaps an older template that you brought forward into Fin2011? I just started WinFin2011 and turned off the options to beam 8ths in groups of 4 in the Document Options / Beams and then entered a measure full of 8ths and they're beamed in pairs, as they should be with this option turned off. I just turned it back on, entered another measure full of 8ths, and they beamed in groups of four as they should with this option turned on. So I have no explanation as to why your switching that option off isn't working other than that I remember reading horror stories of people who have worked with templates from earlier versions of Finale which didn't behave properly in Fin2011. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming question
On 1/10/2011 2:11 PM, dc wrote: In 6/8, how can I get Finale to not beam together notes that are separated by rests (two 8ths separated by a rest, for instance)? Make sure your time signature is 6 x eighth note, not 2 x dotted quarter. Or use Utilities | Rebeam to Time Signature to accomplish this. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On 1/10/2011 3:32 PM, dc wrote: I want: 8 8 8 beamed (in the same beat, of course) but not 8 _ 8 Well, you can break all the beams by hand, of course, but that's not a great solution if you're talking about a long passage. You can also do this with TGTools Bream Breaker. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On 1/10/2011 3:15 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: On 1/10/2011 2:11 PM, dc wrote: In 6/8, how can I get Finale to not beam together notes that are separated by rests (two 8ths separated by a rest, for instance)? Make sure your time signature is 6 x eighth note, not 2 x dotted quarter. Or use Utilities | Rebeam to Time Signature to accomplish this. In Finale these days it seems we have a choice -- if we want 3 8ths beamed together we need to choose 2 x dotted quarter, but this also forces 8ths in a half-measure to be beamed even when separated by an 8th rest. Or we can select 6 x 8th note but then we don't get any of the 8th notes beamed, even if we want them to be. So the best I can suggest is to select whichever meter is going to help more of the time and correct what's needed by hand each time (it's only a single key stroke to break those beams over the 8th rest). It's too bad in the Document Options dialog under Beaming there isn't an option to break 8th-note beams over a rest in 6/8 time. Yet another option for us to lobby MakeMusic for! Yippee! -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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try
document optionsbeaming
Mark
--- On Mon, 1/10/11, dc den...@free.fr wrote:
From: dc den...@free.fr
Subject: {Spam} Re: [Finale] beaming question
To: finale@shsu.edu, finale@shsu.edu
Date: Monday, January 10, 2011, 3:32 PM
Aaron Sherber écrit:
Make sure your time signature is 6 x eighth note, not
2 x dotted quarter. Or use Utilities | Rebeam to Time
Signature to accomplish this.
That was my first idea - but then three 8ths don't get
beamed together.
I want:
8 8 8 beamed (in the same beat, of course)
but not
8 _ 8
(where 8 = 8th note and _= 8th rest)
Dennis
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Re: {Spam} Re: [Finale] beaming question
If there are a large number of bars in a row to be fixed you can also use the 6 x 8 time signature with 'different sig for display' so that finale doesn't add a redundant time sig announcement. Steve P. On 10 Jan 2011, at 20:49, David H. Bailey wrote: On 1/10/2011 3:15 PM, Aaron Sherber wrote: On 1/10/2011 2:11 PM, dc wrote: In 6/8, how can I get Finale to not beam together notes that are separated by rests (two 8ths separated by a rest, for instance)? Make sure your time signature is 6 x eighth note, not 2 x dotted quarter. Or use Utilities | Rebeam to Time Signature to accomplish this. In Finale these days it seems we have a choice -- if we want 3 8ths beamed together we need to choose 2 x dotted quarter, but this also forces 8ths in a half-measure to be beamed even when separated by an 8th rest. Or we can select 6 x 8th note but then we don't get any of the 8th notes beamed, even if we want them to be. So the best I can suggest is to select whichever meter is going to help more of the time and correct what's needed by hand each time (it's only a single key stroke to break those beams over the 8th rest). It's too bad in the Document Options dialog under Beaming there isn't an option to break 8th-note beams over a rest in 6/8 time. Yet another option for us to lobby MakeMusic for! Yippee! -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming question
I'm not near finale now, but there is a document option called beam over rests that can be turned on or off, isn't there? Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos. On Jan 10, 2011, at 4:26 PM, dc den...@free.fr wrote: David H. Bailey écrit: In Finale these days it seems we have a choice -- if we want 3 8ths beamed together we need to choose 2 x dotted quarter, but this also forces 8ths in a half-measure to be beamed even when separated by an 8th rest. Or we can select 6 x 8th note but then we don't get any of the 8th notes beamed, even if we want them to be. So the best I can suggest is to select whichever meter is going to help more of the time and correct what's needed by hand each time (it's only a single key stroke to break those beams over the 8th rest). The 3/8 was just one example. In most cases, for the music I do, I don't want any rests at all under beams, and I find it strange that this doesn't seem to be a beaming option. Couldn't a plug-in check this and remove all the beams over rests? Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming question
No, the option is to extend the beam over a rest to the right side of the beam. Steve P. On 10 Jan 2011, at 21:29, Williams, Jim jwilli...@franklincollege.edu wrote: I'm not near finale now, but there is a document option called beam over rests that can be turned on or off, isn't there? Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos. On Jan 10, 2011, at 4:26 PM, dc den...@free.fr wrote: David H. Bailey écrit: In Finale these days it seems we have a choice -- if we want 3 8ths beamed together we need to choose 2 x dotted quarter, but this also forces 8ths in a half-measure to be beamed even when separated by an 8th rest. Or we can select 6 x 8th note but then we don't get any of the 8th notes beamed, even if we want them to be. So the best I can suggest is to select whichever meter is going to help more of the time and correct what's needed by hand each time (it's only a single key stroke to break those beams over the 8th rest). The 3/8 was just one example. In most cases, for the music I do, I don't want any rests at all under beams, and I find it strange that this doesn't seem to be a beaming option. Couldn't a plug-in check this and remove all the beams over rests? Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On 1/10/2011 4:23 PM, dc wrote: Couldn't a plug-in check this and remove all the beams over rests? TGTools Beam Breaker ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming 24 Octave Notes in Two Layers with Interposed Rests - Can finale do this?
Ah, I see! (24 octaves! What instrument?!) 8-) This is a little tricky. I have always done it in Speedy Entry manually for one measure, then the passage can be copied to other measures and repitched with the Simple Entry tool. In Speedy it's the / key, but that is a little strange, too. You have to make sure you are on the RIGHT-hand note of the pair you want to beam, then hit the / key. Also, if you have ever hit the / key while on a REST, then you won't be able to beam the next note until you toggle the rest off again. There must be a way to copy only the beam alterations to other measures, but I haven't found it in either Finale's menus nor in TG Tools. Christopher On Mon Oct 25, at MondayOct 25 1:04 AM, Giovanni Andreani wrote: I apologize for the subject, I meant octave notes instead of octaves. I resolved the problem changing the time from 3/1 (three semibreves) to 3/1 (one dotted breve) specifying the time as a composite time signature with 1/12,288 EDUs beat duration. Join Beam is still a mystery. Giovanni Giovanni Andreani www.giovanniandreani.eu I tried this in several ways but just can't get it to work: Using Fin 2009 on a MacBook Pro, I've got one single measure in 3/1 time and it's got to show two layers containing the following: Layer 2 (stems down): 24 octaves alternating a note with a rest and starting with a note. Layer 1 (stems up): the same as layer 2 but starting with a rest. All the rests are then hidden finally showing notes alternating between the two layers. What I would like to do is beam all the octaves together in each layer. I tried to do this by selecting the most appropriate time signature (3/1) and then manually used the Speedy Entry command / (Join Beam - by the way I can't find a keyboard command on my MacBook for this) to beam the octaves together, where needed. This worked for the lower layer (layer two), probably because it is starting with a note and, while beaming always occurs over octave rests, groping works out better. The upper layer, starting with a rest only shows gropus of two octave notes beamed together (octave n. 2 and n. 4 per each group) in the whole measure and in no way I was able to beam them together. Am I missing something? Thank you in advance Giovanni Andreani Giovanni Andreani www.giovanniandreani.eu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Beaming 24 Octaves in Two Layers with Interposed Rests - Can finale do this?
I tried this in several ways but just can't get it to work: Using Fin 2009 on a MacBook Pro, I've got one single measure in 3/1 time and it's got to show two layers containing the following: Layer 2 (stems down): 24 octaves alternating a note with a rest and starting with a note. Layer 1 (stems up): the same as layer 2 but starting with a rest. All the rests are then hidden finally showing notes alternating between the two layers. What I would like to do is beam all the octaves together in each layer. I tried to do this by selecting the most appropriate time signature (3/1) and then manually used the Speedy Entry command / (Join Beam - by the way I can't find a keyboard command on my MacBook for this) to beam the octaves together, where needed. This worked for the lower layer (layer two), probably because it is starting with a note and, while beaming always occurs over octave rests, groping works out better. The upper layer, starting with a rest only shows gropus of two octave notes beamed together (octave n. 2 and n. 4 per each group) in the whole measure and in no way I was able to beam them together. Am I missing something? Thank you in advance Giovanni Andreani Giovanni Andreani www.giovanniandreani.eu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming 24 Octave Notes in Two Layers with Interposed Rests - Can finale do this?
I apologize for the subject, I meant octave notes instead of octaves. I resolved the problem changing the time from 3/1 (three semibreves) to 3/1 (one dotted breve) specifying the time as a composite time signature with 1/12,288 EDUs beat duration. Join Beam is still a mystery. Giovanni Giovanni Andreani www.giovanniandreani.eu I tried this in several ways but just can't get it to work: Using Fin 2009 on a MacBook Pro, I've got one single measure in 3/1 time and it's got to show two layers containing the following: Layer 2 (stems down): 24 octaves alternating a note with a rest and starting with a note. Layer 1 (stems up): the same as layer 2 but starting with a rest. All the rests are then hidden finally showing notes alternating between the two layers. What I would like to do is beam all the octaves together in each layer. I tried to do this by selecting the most appropriate time signature (3/1) and then manually used the Speedy Entry command / (Join Beam - by the way I can't find a keyboard command on my MacBook for this) to beam the octaves together, where needed. This worked for the lower layer (layer two), probably because it is starting with a note and, while beaming always occurs over octave rests, groping works out better. The upper layer, starting with a rest only shows gropus of two octave notes beamed together (octave n. 2 and n. 4 per each group) in the whole measure and in no way I was able to beam them together. Am I missing something? Thank you in advance Giovanni Andreani Giovanni Andreani www.giovanniandreani.eu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming hidden notes
It does not matter because they are hidden and will not print... the cues without staff style appear and are printed correctly beemed. Odile Le 2010-04-03 à 05:24, dc a écrit : I have beamed cue notes that are hidden in the score with at staff style. But when I apply the staff style, the notes lose their beams. Why? Can this be avoided? Thanks, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming over grace notes
On Mar 30, 2010, at 7:57 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: The trick is with grace notes, you have to hit EACH grace note ONCE only, then the following eighth note. There is no way to know if you have already toggled the beam on or off, so make sure you are VERY careful with how many times you have hit each note with the / key, and hit each grace note ONLY ONCE! (or three times, because you toggle it on and off each time you hit it.) Don't worry, the grace note won't connect with the normal-sized eighth, but you have to toggle it on anyway. The information is displayed in the Edit Frames window. There's a check box called Beam/Beat and the note will beam to the note before it if that box is UNchecked. This is what the slash key toggles, and with grace notes it has to be off for both. Off the top of my head, I don't remember how to access Edit Frames, though. I think it's control-click or option-click from one of the tools, but I don't recall which. It displays information for the whole measure (well, frame, actually) and you advance through the various notes. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming over grace notes
I would be interested to know a situation where grace note groups can't be beamed together with regular groups, since I have never encountered such a situation myself. The trick is to beam all the regular notes as well as the grace notes. (I always start from the end of the group and move backwards to beam the gaps.) Or you could, as Robert suggested, use the Beam Selection plug-in from the Patterson PI collection to do that automatically. Best regards, Jari Williamsson SN jef chippewa wrote: use layer 2 for the grace notes, placing and hiding rests where the notes are in layer 1 are that won't allow you to beam across. i did this recently... or maybe it was with another layer and real notes (hidden tuplets) at 75%... I still have not been able to make it work when there are a group of grace notes (such as an ornament) between some of the regular eighth notes. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming over grace notes
Jerry, Are you hitting EVERY one of the grace notes in the group with the / key? If even ONE of them was missed (or hit twice, or four times), then nothing will work. Hmm, I hadn't tried it in 6/8 (in FinMac 2010) until just now, and actually it works with NO extra keystrokes for me! When I enter a ruff (3 sixteenth grace notes) between the first and second eighths of the bar, ALL the beams appear correctly, including the three sixteenths, with NO extra input from me! This is not the case in 4/4, where I have to manually attach every beam around the grace notes with the / key. Are you sure you have 6/8 set to be 2 dotted quarters? Because if you have set the time signature to 6 on top and 8 on the bottom, beaming will be a huge pain. Right-clicking the measure (control click for one-button mouses) will show you an option for 6/8 which is correct with no further editing necessary. Christopher On Tue Mar 30, at TuesdayMar 30 11:22 PM, jerry kalaf wrote: thanks christopher, I was not hitting the grace notes with the / key. once I started doing that it worked. I still have not been able to make it work when there are a group of grace notes (such as an ornament) between some of the regular eighth notes. I'll keep trying. best, jk On Mar 30, 2010, at 7:57 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Yeah, this is touchy, but you have to know how Finale thinks. In Speedy, you hit the / button normally to create-break beams with the PREVIOUS eighth note. The trick is with grace notes, you have to hit EACH grace note ONCE only, then the following eighth note. There is no way to know if you have already toggled the beam on or off, so make sure you are VERY careful with how many times you have hit each note with the / key, and hit each grace note ONLY ONCE! (or three times, because you toggle it on and off each time you hit it.) Don't worry, the grace note won't connect with the normal-sized eighth, but you have to toggle it on anyway. There is no way I know of to accomplish this automatically. Hope this helps. Christopher On Tue Mar 30, at TuesdayMar 30 10:21 PM, jerry kalaf wrote: anyone know how to allow finale to beam over grace notes such as groups of three eighth notes in 6/8 time with grace notes (drum rudiments - flams and drags etc) in between? thanks, jk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] beaming over grace notes
anyone know how to allow finale to beam over grace notes such as groups of three eighth notes in 6/8 time with grace notes (drum rudiments - flams and drags etc) in between? thanks, jk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming over grace notes
Yeah, this is touchy, but you have to know how Finale thinks. In Speedy, you hit the / button normally to create-break beams with the PREVIOUS eighth note. The trick is with grace notes, you have to hit EACH grace note ONCE only, then the following eighth note. There is no way to know if you have already toggled the beam on or off, so make sure you are VERY careful with how many times you have hit each note with the / key, and hit each grace note ONLY ONCE! (or three times, because you toggle it on and off each time you hit it.) Don't worry, the grace note won't connect with the normal-sized eighth, but you have to toggle it on anyway. There is no way I know of to accomplish this automatically. Hope this helps. Christopher On Tue Mar 30, at TuesdayMar 30 10:21 PM, jerry kalaf wrote: anyone know how to allow finale to beam over grace notes such as groups of three eighth notes in 6/8 time with grace notes (drum rudiments - flams and drags etc) in between? thanks, jk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming over grace notes
thanks christopher, I was not hitting the grace notes with the / key. once I started doing that it worked. I still have not been able to make it work when there are a group of grace notes (such as an ornament) between some of the regular eighth notes. I'll keep trying. best, jk On Mar 30, 2010, at 7:57 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Yeah, this is touchy, but you have to know how Finale thinks. In Speedy, you hit the / button normally to create-break beams with the PREVIOUS eighth note. The trick is with grace notes, you have to hit EACH grace note ONCE only, then the following eighth note. There is no way to know if you have already toggled the beam on or off, so make sure you are VERY careful with how many times you have hit each note with the / key, and hit each grace note ONLY ONCE! (or three times, because you toggle it on and off each time you hit it.) Don't worry, the grace note won't connect with the normal-sized eighth, but you have to toggle it on anyway. There is no way I know of to accomplish this automatically. Hope this helps. Christopher On Tue Mar 30, at TuesdayMar 30 10:21 PM, jerry kalaf wrote: anyone know how to allow finale to beam over grace notes such as groups of three eighth notes in 6/8 time with grace notes (drum rudiments - flams and drags etc) in between? thanks, jk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming over grace notes
My Beam Selection plugin will do this automatically, so long as the grace notes are of 8th or smaller value. It is not possible to beam over a quarter or larger grace notes in Finale. (Well, you can do it, but the grace notes have to be in a different Voice or Layer: a pain.) On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: Yeah, this is touchy, but you have to know how Finale thinks. In Speedy, you hit the / button normally to create-break beams with the PREVIOUS eighth note. The trick is with grace notes, you have to hit EACH grace note ONCE only, then the following eighth note. There is no way to know if you have already toggled the beam on or off, so make sure you are VERY careful with how many times you have hit each note with the / key, and hit each grace note ONLY ONCE! (or three times, because you toggle it on and off each time you hit it.) Don't worry, the grace note won't connect with the normal-sized eighth, but you have to toggle it on anyway. There is no way I know of to accomplish this automatically. Hope this helps. Christopher On Tue Mar 30, at TuesdayMar 30 10:21 PM, jerry kalaf wrote: anyone know how to allow finale to beam over grace notes such as groups of three eighth notes in 6/8 time with grace notes (drum rudiments - flams and drags etc) in between? thanks, jk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming over grace notes
I just did this in a recent project, where a sixteenth after a dotted eight had 4 grace note leading up to it: place the cursor on the last note (the note after the grace notes) and press the / (slash) key. Klaus --- On Wed, 3/31/10, jerry kalaf jka...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: jerry kalaf jka...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [Finale] beaming over grace notes To: finale@shsu.edu Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 4:21 AM anyone know how to allow finale to beam over grace notes such as groups of three eighth notes in 6/8 time with grace notes (drum rudiments - flams and drags etc) in between? thanks, jk ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming over grace notes
use layer 2 for the grace notes, placing and hiding rests where the notes are in layer 1 are that won't allow you to beam across. i did this recently... or maybe it was with another layer and real notes (hidden tuplets) at 75%... I still have not been able to make it work when there are a group of grace notes (such as an ornament) between some of the regular eighth notes. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming over grace notes
I have not been able to get it to work all the time either (when I am in 3/8. 6/8, 9/8 etc). the layer approach works but is very tedious. thanks, jk On Mar 30, 2010, at 8:53 PM, SN jef chippewa wrote: use layer 2 for the grace notes, placing and hiding rests where the notes are in layer 1 are that won't allow you to beam across. i did this recently... or maybe it was with another layer and real notes (hidden tuplets) at 75%... I still have not been able to make it work when there are a group of grace notes (such as an ornament) between some of the regular eighth notes. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] beaming problem
Is your 12/8 not set up in the Time Signature dialog box as 4 dotted quarters? Also, your jpg link is broken. Richard Yates Here's my beaming problem. I have a piece in common time where some of the beats use the typical rhythm of a 12/8 time sig: dotted 8th + 16th + 8th in the value of a quarter note. So I define use a tuplet with 1 dotted quarter in the space of 1 quarter, and I get my three notes. But the beam for the 16th is on the wrong side, i.e. between notes 2 and 3 instead of notes 1 and 2. Rebeaming the music doesn't change this. www.collins.lautre.net/files/beaming.jpg (what I want, and what I get) What am I doing wrong, or how can I get around this? Thanks, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming problem
Oh yeah, I know what you are talking about. I have complained about this bitterly, and the guys at MakeMusic don't even seem to understand the problem. Please, if you can make it more clear to them, do so. I never was able to come up with a procedure for switching the side that the beamlet is on without screwing everything up, so I left it. (Obviously, for publication this would not do at all!) What may work is to set an independent time signature for that staff, then change that one measure to 12/8 (that's 4 dotted quarters) while displaying as 4/4. Any ordinary eighth notes in that measure would have to be entered as a tuplet (2 8ths in the space of one dotted quarter, or 4 8ths in the space of one dotted half, depending on the beaming you want) with the bracket and number hidden. I find it strange in the extreme that Finale does this correctly in 12/8, but not in 4/4 inside a triplet. It is also strange that such a kludge is required. Why won't the Special Tools take care of this? Or maybe I just didn't find the right combination... Christopher On Thu Jan 28, at ThursdayJan 28 8:42 AM, dc wrote: Here's my beaming problem. I have a piece in common time where some of the beats use the typical rhythm of a 12/8 time sig: dotted 8th + 16th + 8th in the value of a quarter note. So I define use a tuplet with 1 dotted quarter in the space of 1 quarter, and I get my three notes. But the beam for the 16th is on the wrong side, i.e. between notes 2 and 3 instead of notes 1 and 2. Rebeaming the music doesn't change this. www.collins.lautre.net/files/beaming.jpg (what I want, and what I get) What am I doing wrong, or how can I get around this? Thanks, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming problem
From the Quick Help: Special tools, select the Broken Beam Then click in the app. maes. the handle to change the broken beam direction (left or right). Hans Op 28-jan-10, om 14:42 heeft dc het volgende geschreven: Here's my beaming problem. I have a piece in common time where some of the beats use the typical rhythm of a 12/8 time sig: dotted 8th + 16th + 8th in the value of a quarter note. So I define use a tuplet with 1 dotted quarter in the space of 1 quarter, and I get my three notes. But the beam for the 16th is on the wrong side, i.e. between notes 2 and 3 instead of notes 1 and 2. Rebeaming the music doesn't change this. www.collins.lautre.net/files/beaming.jpg (what I want, and what I get) What am I doing wrong, or how can I get around this? Thanks, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming problem
On 1/28/2010 9:08 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: Oh yeah, I know what you are talking about. I have complained about this bitterly, and the guys at MakeMusic don't even seem to understand the problem. I know that I reported this as long ago as 12/2003. I have a reply from them on 1/5/2004 in which they state they are aware of the problem and are looking into it; tech's name was Thierry. switching the side that the beamlet is on without screwing everything up, so I left it. (Obviously, for publication this would not do at all!) The correction is actually very simple, though time-consuming if you have many instances. You have to use the Broken Beam Tool (in Special Tools) to manually flip the beamlet to the other side. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming problem
Richard, that is it! For some reason this didn't work the last time I tried this (the beamlet changed length), but it works perfectly in 2010! This can be copied from measure to measure as well, so if it shows up many times, Dennis can just copy the edit without the notes. Great! Christopher On Thu Jan 28, at ThursdayJan 28 9:03 AM, Richard Yates wrote: If you must use a tuplet instead of a time signature of 12/8 as four dotted wuaters, then you have to use the Broken Beam Tool to switch the sixteenth beamlet to the other side. Here's my beaming problem. I have a piece in common time where some of the beats use the typical rhythm of a 12/8 time sig: dotted 8th + 16th + 8th in the value of a quarter note. So I define use a tuplet with 1 dotted quarter in the space of 1 quarter, and I get my three notes. But the beam for the 16th is on the wrong side, i.e. between notes 2 and 3 instead of notes 1 and 2. Rebeaming the music doesn't change this. www.collins.lautre.net/files/beaming.jpg (what I want, and what I get) What am I doing wrong, or how can I get around this? Thanks, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming problem
dc wrote: Here's my beaming problem. I have a piece in common time where some of the beats use the typical rhythm of a 12/8 time sig: dotted 8th + 16th + 8th in the value of a quarter note. So I define use a tuplet with 1 dotted quarter in the space of 1 quarter, and I get my three notes. But the beam for the 16th is on the wrong side, i.e. between notes 2 and 3 instead of notes 1 and 2. Rebeaming the music doesn't change this. www.collins.lautre.net/files/beaming.jpg (what I want, and what I get) What am I doing wrong, or how can I get around this? I don't know that you're doing anything wrong, but the solution is to use the broken beam tool (part of the special tools pallete) which will move the broken beam to the proper side of the note. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Beaming Across Barlines
Hi everyone! I need to beam two notes across a barline in Finale 2007. In the Help manual I found the following two suggested methods: A) Speedy Entry Method: step 3 tells me to enter the notes that belong at the beginning of the next measure (the ones to which you want to beam from the first measure) at the end of the measure. Finale is not letting me do that. B) Beam Extension Method: it is suggested that I extend the beam with the Beam Extension Tool by simply dragging the handle. That would be a simple solution, except for the fact that the single note I want to beam from has no beam and there are no handles to drag, precisely because it's a single note. Any better suggestions? Thanks a lot. Pablo. _ Drag n’ drop—Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live™ Photos. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming Across Barlines
Use the Beam Over Barline Plugin. (It automates one or the other of these methods, depending on whether the beam falls across a system break.) On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Pablo Castellspjcaste...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi everyone! I need to beam two notes across a barline in Finale 2007. In the Help manual I found the following two suggested methods: A) Speedy Entry Method: step 3 tells me to enter the notes that belong at the beginning of the next measure (the ones to which you want to beam from the first measure) at the end of the measure. Finale is not letting me do that. B) Beam Extension Method: it is suggested that I extend the beam with the Beam Extension Tool by simply dragging the handle. That would be a simple solution, except for the fact that the single note I want to beam from has no beam and there are no handles to drag, precisely because it's a single note. Any better suggestions? Thanks a lot. Pablo. _ Drag n’ drop—Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live™ Photos. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Beaming Across Barlines
Thanks a lot. It took me a lot of trial and error, but it ended up working! Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 14:14:45 -0500 Subject: Re: [Finale] Beaming Across Barlines From: rob...@robertgpatterson.com To: finale@shsu.edu Use the Beam Over Barline Plugin. (It automates one or the other of these methods, depending on whether the beam falls across a system break.) On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Pablo Castellspjcaste...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi everyone! I need to beam two notes across a barline in Finale 2007. In the Help manual I found the following two suggested methods: A) Speedy Entry Method: step 3 tells me to enter the notes that belong at the beginning of the next measure (the ones to which you want to beam from the first measure) at the end of the measure. Finale is not letting me do that. B) Beam Extension Method: it is suggested that I extend the beam with the Beam Extension Tool by simply dragging the handle. That would be a simple solution, except for the fact that the single note I want to beam from has no beam and there are no handles to drag, precisely because it's a single note. Any better suggestions? Thanks a lot. Pablo. _ Drag n’ drop—Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live™ Photos. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale _ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. Check it out! http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_012009___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Beaming across staves
I know it can be done ... I think. But I can't remember how to do it, nor find it in the pdf manual for Finale 2004. How do I create a beam that straddles two staves, please? I only want to create 4 note beams for quavers [eighth notes]. Thansk for your help. David McKay www.aussiemusician.blogspot.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming across staves
On Sun, June 28, 2009 5:50 am, David McKay wrote: How do I create a beam that straddles two staves, please? I use the note mover tool to drag notes from one staff to the other, then a combination of the note reverser tool (or whatever it's called) to put the noteheads on the correct side of the stems, and the beam adjustment tool to place and angle it. (There's probably an easier way by now, but I've been doing that for too long to have noticed any new method!) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming across staves
patterson tools click, bang, boom! (There's probably an easier way by now, but I've been doing that for too long to have noticed any new method!) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming across staves
Can you do it with Patterson tools in Finale 2004? Can you explain how, please? Thanks David McKay 2009/6/28 shirling neueweise shirl...@newmusicnotation.com patterson tools click, bang, boom! (There's probably an easier way by now, but I've been doing that for too long to have noticed any new method!) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- www.gontroppo.blogspot.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming across staves
On Sun, June 28, 2009 6:53 am, shirling neueweise wrote: patterson tools click, bang, boom! Your mean there's a beam-across-staves in there? I use beam-over-barlines all the time! I'll have to look... ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming across staves
i seem to remember doing it back in F2003 select the notes you want beamed, select the Patterson Beam over Barlines PI, just give it a whirl, it's really intuitive, you may need to adjust the settings to your liking. Can you do it with Patterson tools in Finale 2004? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming across staves
Can I do it in Patterson plugins lite? What about cross staves in TG Tools? David McKay 2009/6/28 David McKay davidmcka...@gmail.com Sorry. I need a lot more explicit help here. Are you sure beam over barlines will beam from one staff to another? How do you select notes? What tool should I be using? Thanks David McKay 2009/6/28 shirling neueweise shirl...@newmusicnotation.com i seem to remember doing it back in F2003 select the notes you want beamed, select the Patterson Beam over Barlines PI, just give it a whirl, it's really intuitive, you may need to adjust the settings to your liking. Can you do it with Patterson tools in Finale 2004? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- www.gontroppo.blogspot.com -- www.gontroppo.blogspot.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming across staves
Can I do it in Patterson plugins lite? i don't know, why don't you give it a try and let us know. What about cross staves in TGTools? sounds like this is a different thing, have never used it though ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming across staves
Sorry. I need a lot more explicit help here. Are you sure beam over barlines will beam from one staff to another? How do you select notes? What tool should I be using? Thanks David McKay 2009/6/28 shirling neueweise shirl...@newmusicnotation.com i seem to remember doing it back in F2003 select the notes you want beamed, select the Patterson Beam over Barlines PI, just give it a whirl, it's really intuitive, you may need to adjust the settings to your liking. Can you do it with Patterson tools in Finale 2004? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- www.gontroppo.blogspot.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming across staves
I can get beam over barlines to connect from one bar to the other, by seelcting two bars in mass mover, but I can't get it to beam notes on one stave to another, as I want to do. David McKay 2009/6/28 shirling neueweise shirl...@newmusicnotation.com Can I do it in Patterson plugins lite? i don't know, why don't you give it a try and let us know. What about cross staves in TGTools? sounds like this is a different thing, have never used it though ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- www.gontroppo.blogspot.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming across staves
Thanks very much for this Robert! David McKay 2009/6/28 Robert Patterson rob...@robertgpatterson.com In Finale, Beam Across Staff is called Cross Staff. It is one of the options in the Note Mover tool. Moving the notes to another staff is simple, but then there may be further cleanup to do with stem and beam placement after you move the noteheads. Patterson Plugins has no direct function for creating cross staff beams. It however can copy a beam pattern (including cross staffing) from one location to another using Mass Copy. There may be a Cross Staff function in TGTools. On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 7:32 AM, shirling neueweiseshirl...@newmusicnotation.com wrote: i don't know what is available in lite, might be a question of settings/options. have you tried the same two measures in the same staff, undo, move 2nd measure down a system and try the same two measures? I can get beam over barlines to connect from one bar to the other, by seelcting two bars in mass mover, but I can't get it to beam notes on one stave to another, as I want to do. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- www.gontroppo.blogspot.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming across staves
Success! Easy peasy. Thanks so much. David McKay 2009/6/28 David McKay davidmcka...@gmail.com Thanks very much for this Robert! David McKay 2009/6/28 Robert Patterson rob...@robertgpatterson.com In Finale, Beam Across Staff is called Cross Staff. It is one of the options in the Note Mover tool. Moving the notes to another staff is simple, but then there may be further cleanup to do with stem and beam placement after you move the noteheads. Patterson Plugins has no direct function for creating cross staff beams. It however can copy a beam pattern (including cross staffing) from one location to another using Mass Copy. There may be a Cross Staff function in TGTools. On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 7:32 AM, shirling neueweiseshirl...@newmusicnotation.com wrote: i don't know what is available in lite, might be a question of settings/options. have you tried the same two measures in the same staff, undo, move 2nd measure down a system and try the same two measures? I can get beam over barlines to connect from one bar to the other, by seelcting two bars in mass mover, but I can't get it to beam notes on one stave to another, as I want to do. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- www.gontroppo.blogspot.com -- www.gontroppo.blogspot.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming across staves
Robert Patterson wrote: In Finale, Beam Across Staff is called Cross Staff. It is one of the options in the Note Mover tool. Moving the notes to another staff is simple, but then there may be further cleanup to do with stem and beam placement after you move the noteheads. Patterson Plugins has no direct function for creating cross staff beams. It however can copy a beam pattern (including cross staffing) from one location to another using Mass Copy. There may be a Cross Staff function in TGTools. Select the the notes with the Selection tool, press alt - arrow down (or up, whatever you wish), and whoosh there they go. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming Across Grace Notes
I think it's always been like this. I checked in Finale 2004b: it is also necessary to use the slash key on both the grace note and the eighth note. I think there is also a difference depending on if you create the grace notes as you go along, or if you first write everything as normal notes (de-selecting the check for extra notes option) and then go back to turn some notes into grace notes. It's quite infuriating, since you can't see how many times the slash key has been pressed on a particular note. Michael On 18 Jan 2009, at 06:29, Christopher Smith wrote: Yes, this is strange new (I think) behaviour in Finale 2009 (maybe even 2008). In Speedy, you have to hit the / key on the second grace note AND then on the second eighth note. If you hit it on the same note twice, it won't work no matter how many times you hit the slash key on the other note (so if you have already tried this several times and have pressed the slash key an EVEN number of times, you won't get it to work until you have pressed it ONE more time and moved on to the other note. I remember this behaviour as being position the cursor on the GRACE note and hit the slash (instead of the more obvious: position the cursor on the EIGHTH note.) But now you have to do it on BOTH notes, and only an odd number of times, never even! Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming Across Grace Notes
In Speedy, you have to hit the / key on the second grace note AND then on the second eighth note. Worked like a charm. Thanks much. It was driving me crazy. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming Across Grace Notes
On Jan 18, 2009, at 12:32 PM, Blake Richardson wrote: In Speedy, you have to hit the / key on the second grace note AND then on the second eighth note. Worked like a charm. Thanks much. It was driving me crazy. And me too - for years! Nice to get another clue into the mystery of Finale. (They often come from Christopher.) Thanks, Chuck ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Beaming Across Grace Notes
I've got an eight-note/eighth-rest sequence with a grace note before each eighth-note and the normal beaming process doesn't want to work. Is there another way to beam across a grace note and a rest? It's probably something simple I've overlooked. I've posted screen shots of what I'm talking about at the link below. http://gallery.me.com/btr1701/100016 The first image is the Finale document as is, without the beams. The part I'm talking about is the third measure in the Horn part. The second image is the original handwritten manuscript and shows the passage as I'd like it to appear. [For those who are curious, this is part of a film cue called The Basket Game from Raiders of the Lost Ark. It's the part where the evil swordsman challenges Indiana Jones to a duel with an elaborate flourish of his blade, and Jones just sighs and shoots him.] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming Across Grace Notes
Yes, this is strange new (I think) behaviour in Finale 2009 (maybe even 2008). In Speedy, you have to hit the / key on the second grace note AND then on the second eighth note. If you hit it on the same note twice, it won't work no matter how many times you hit the slash key on the other note (so if you have already tried this several times and have pressed the slash key an EVEN number of times, you won't get it to work until you have pressed it ONE more time and moved on to the other note. I remember this behaviour as being position the cursor on the GRACE note and hit the slash (instead of the more obvious: position the cursor on the EIGHTH note.) But now you have to do it on BOTH notes, and only an odd number of times, never even! Christopher On Jan 17, 2009, at 10:08 PM, Blake Richardson wrote: I've got an eight-note/eighth-rest sequence with a grace note before each eighth-note and the normal beaming process doesn't want to work. Is there another way to beam across a grace note and a rest? It's probably something simple I've overlooked. I've posted screen shots of what I'm talking about at the link below. http://gallery.me.com/btr1701/100016 The first image is the Finale document as is, without the beams. The part I'm talking about is the third measure in the Horn part. The second image is the original handwritten manuscript and shows the passage as I'd like it to appear. [For those who are curious, this is part of a film cue called The Basket Game from Raiders of the Lost Ark. It's the part where the evil swordsman challenges Indiana Jones to a duel with an elaborate flourish of his blade, and Jones just sighs and shoots him.] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming problem
A Balkan folk-dance beat, perhaps? :) ajr I am using Finale 2008 on Mac, OS 10.5.5. I want a time signature to say 8/8 but I want it beamed 3+3+2. I created a composite time signal of 3+3+2/8+8+8 and then a different time signature 8/8 to display. When I put in the notes all the eighth notes have separate stems -- no beams. I tried rebeaming according to time signature and got the same result. What am I missing? Thanks so much. Jane ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Beaming problem
I am using Finale 2008 on Mac, OS 10.5.5. I want a time signature to say 8/8 but I want it beamed 3+3+2. I created a composite time signal of 3+3+2/8+8+8 and then a different time signature 8/8 to display. When I put in the notes all the eighth notes have separate stems -- no beams. I tried rebeaming according to time signature and got the same result. What am I missing? Thanks so much. Jane ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming problem
Hi Jane-- Put 3+3+2 (including the plus signs) into the FIRST top box. Put an 8 in the first bottom box. Leave the others blank, and change the display time signature. On Nov 24, 2008, at 9:00 PM, Jane Frasier wrote: I am using Finale 2008 on Mac, OS 10.5.5. I want a time signature to say 8/8 but I want it beamed 3+3+2. I created a composite time signal of 3+3+2/8+8+8 and then a different time signature 8/8 to display. When I put in the notes all the eighth notes have separate stems -- no beams. I tried rebeaming according to time signature and got the same result. What am I missing? Thanks so much. Jane ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Allen Fisher Founder and Principal Developer Fisher Art and Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming problem
On 24 Nov 2008 at 21:31, Allen Fisher wrote: Put 3+3+2 (including the plus signs) into the FIRST top box. Put an 8 in the first bottom box. Leave the others blank, and change the display time signature. The other approach works if you use EDUs and put it in as 1/1536+1/1536+1/1024. However, in my ancient version of Finale, the numbers don't stay there (when I go back and open up the meter dialog in a passage where it's already been defined thus), so I'd recommend using Allen's approach. Allen: why does Finale not preserve what I put in (even though it continues to work)? -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming problem
David-- Refresh my memory on what version of Finale you've been using. Do the numbers disappear or do they just change? On Nov 24, 2008, at 9:43 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: Allen: why does Finale not preserve what I put in (even though it continues to work)? Allen Fisher Founder and Principal Developer Fisher Art and Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming problem
Thanks. That was the solution. Jane Allen Fisher wrote: Hi Jane-- Put 3+3+2 (including the plus signs) into the FIRST top box. Put an 8 in the first bottom box. Leave the others blank, and change the display time signature. On Nov 24, 2008, at 9:00 PM, Jane Frasier wrote: I am using Finale 2008 on Mac, OS 10.5.5. I want a time signature to say 8/8 but I want it beamed 3+3+2. I created a composite time signal of 3+3+2/8+8+8 and then a different time signature 8/8 to display. When I put in the notes all the eighth notes have separate stems -- no beams. I tried rebeaming according to time signature and got the same result. What am I missing? Thanks so much. Jane ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Allen Fisher Founder and Principal Developer Fisher Art and Technology [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming problem
On 24 Nov 2008 at 22:26, Allen Fisher wrote: Refresh my memory on what version of Finale you've been using. Do the numbers disappear or do they just change? 2003. The numbers are changed, to 1/2 for the first two and I forget what for the 3rd one. But upon opening the dialog, the display is correct until I change anything. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Beaming to lyrics with layers
Fin 2007c, Windows. Choral piece. At one point divisi within one staff, but sharing lyrics. The individual lines in the divisi were assigned to layers 1 2. I wanted to beam to lyrics, but this function appears only applies to one layer. Is there a workaround other than changing the time signature? Daniel Wolf ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming to lyrics with layers
Daniel Wolf wrote: Fin 2007c, Windows. Choral piece. At one point divisi within one staff, but sharing lyrics. The individual lines in the divisi were assigned to layers 1 2. I wanted to beam to lyrics, but this function appears only applies to one layer. Is there a workaround other than changing the time signature? The problem is that lyrics are assigned to a layer. If you use the Show Active Layer Only and select layer 2 you will see the lyrics disappear. In other words, there are no lyrics for Layer 2 to be beamed to. What you'll have to do is to assign the same lyrics to layer 2 and then get them to line up perfectly with layer 1 lyrics if you want to have the beaming done automatically. I think that will be very hard to get right, and you'll be better off if you set the beaming manually for layer 2 notes. You might want to go back and re-enter the layer2 notes as Voice2 of Layer 1 and then see how the beam to lyrics works. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming to lyrics with layers
dhbailey wrote: The problem is that lyrics are assigned to a layer. I think it is possible to copy beaming patterns from one layer to another. Barbara ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming to lyrics with layers
At 2:57 PM +0200 7/17/08, Daniel Wolf wrote: Fin 2007c, Windows. Choral piece. At one point divisi within one staff, but sharing lyrics. The individual lines in the divisi were assigned to layers 1 2. I wanted to beam to lyrics, but this function appears only applies to one layer. Is there a workaround other than changing the time signature? If I read your situation properly, you want to use beaming rather than slurs. Your choice, of course, but I would never do that. Slurs are your friend! They relieve the singer of yet one more need for on-the-spot calculation. I have used instrumental notation conventions for vocal music for decades, and no one has ever complained. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beaming to lyrics with layers
Barbara Touburg wrote: dhbailey wrote: The problem is that lyrics are assigned to a layer. I think it is possible to copy beaming patterns from one layer to another. I got the impression though that the rhythms were different between the layers so there wouldn't be the same rhythm to paste the beaming onto. But I may have misunderstood the problem. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming in 3/4 - 2nd try
On 2 Apr 2008, at 08:03, dc wrote: Thanks to all. Yes, I should have given the context, of course. This is a section of a Lully motet. The source I'm transcribing has all groups of (last) three or four 8ths beamed. Personally, as a performer myself, I think this is perfectly clear. But I'm interested in knowing what the standard rules are. I would say the standard rule is write it the way the composer did. Exceptions to this rule occur: - if the composer has clearly made a mistake - if the composer was using a style of notation so far removed from present-day style that some sort of transcription is needed. In this case I don't see any reason to change the way Lully wrote it. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming in 3/4
On 1 Apr 2008, at 22:08, Darcy James Argue wrote: I didn't see Michael Cook's original, only Chris's reply, but in response to his comments, my feeling is that beaming is usually (not always, but usually) a poor way to indicate phrasing in modern music. I try to discourage the composers I work with from insisting on odd beam groupings and/or over-the-barline beaming -- in my experience, performers *hate* that stuff -- if there's a better way to indicate phrasing and also preserve metrical beaming. Have a look at the works of Brahms (a pretty careful composer). He very often used beaming that indicates phrasing, including cross-bar beaming. This enabled him to indicate the sort of subtle cross rhythms so typical of his style, without resorting to adding accents or extra phrase marks. Indeed, accents or extra phrase marks might well cause the performer to over-accentuate the cross rhythms. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming in 3/4 - 2nd try
On 2 Apr 2008, at 3:10 AM, Michael Cook wrote: In this case I don't see any reason to change the way Lully wrote it In this case I agree with Michael. See, context does matter! Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming in 3/4 - 2nd try
At 8:03 AM +0200 4/2/08, dc wrote: Thanks to all. Yes, I should have given the context, of course. This is a section of a Lully motet. The source I'm transcribing has all groups of (last) three or four 8ths beamed. Personally, as a performer myself, I think this is perfectly clear. But I'm interested in knowing what the standard rules are. Dennis Well, now you know. There are no standard rules, just lots of standard personal opinions!! John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming in 3/4 - 2nd try
I too have been watching the discussion of beaming with interest. As a player, I have always preferred to have the eigths in 3/4 beamed together. Just me. From a historical note, I revisited my facsimile of the autograph of Beethoven's Fifth Symphony. In the first movement he frequently flags the first 8th and them beams the remaing 3. I assume for phrasing purposes. In the autograph of the first movement he also sometimes writes a dotted quarter with a slash to indicate the 3 eighths. In the C major section of the third movement (basses gone wild; 3/4) he consistently notates quarter note, 8th rest, three beamed 8ths. This, seems to me, also is for phrasing. I suggest no firm solution here, I just thought some of the list might be interested. I certainly have been quite interested in the discussion and find merit in several of the points made, pro and contra. Bruce Clausen - Original Message - From: dc [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: finale@shsu.edu; finale@shsu.edu Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] beaming in 3/4 - 2nd try Thanks to all. Yes, I should have given the context, of course. This is a section of a Lully motet. The source I'm transcribing has all groups of (last) three or four 8ths beamed. Personally, as a performer myself, I think this is perfectly clear. But I'm interested in knowing what the standard rules are. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.4/1355 - Release Date: 4/1/2008 5:37 PM ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming in 3/4
At 4:59 PM -0400 3/31/08, A-NO-NE Music wrote: dc / 08.3.31 / 3:45 PM wrote: Can or should one beam together three 8ths after a dotted quarter in 3/4? I wouldn't like that. That screws psychologically when sight-reading. Why would you want to give 2 pulses to 3/4 meter? Interesting reaction. I see it every day, and it never suggests a hemiola shift at all. Quite a lot of baroque music uses that beaming, at least in modern editions. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming in 3/4
Neal Gittleman wrote: Pace those who think differently, Beethoven doesn't seem to have much problem with either formulation... dottted-quarter plus three eighths is all over the first movement of the Eroica (well, strictly speaking, not, since he always writes it as quarter, eighth-rest, three eighths) and also throughout the Egmont Overture (again, with the rest Schumann also uses dotted-quarter plus three eights in several passages in the first movement of his Second Symphony quarter plus four eighths IS all over the first movement of Beethoven 8. Context certainly does matter, but in none of these cases is there anything remotely problematic about the notation. While I agree that none of the situations is problematic, are you looking at the manuscripts (or facsimiles) or are you looking at the engraved music? If looking at the engraved music I doubt that Beethoven or Schumann had any input into how the rhythms were engraved. And of course the overall rhythmic thrust of the music can make such a beaming easy to read or more difficult to phrase properly, in my opinion. But I agree that neither is problematic for most players -- even though I would not beam the three 8ths following a dotted quarter myself, I can certainly see no truly compelling argument against it. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] beaming in 3/4
On Mar 31, 2008, at 11:05 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: There are, obviously, a lot of engraving conventions that were different in Beethoven's day. For newly written music, though, whether it's in 2/4, 3/4, 4/4, or any other non-compound meter, I never beam three eighth notes together unless they form a triplet. In general, I beam to the beat with the following exceptions: In 2/4, I beam groups of 4 eighth notes. In 4/4, I beam groups of 4 eighth notes if they begin on beat 1 or beat 3. In 3/4, I beam groups of 2, 4, or 6 eighth notes if they begin on the beat. This is a minor departure from traditional practice, but I'm far from the only one who beams this way. It makes entrances off-the- beat easier to read, and makes triplets easier to see at a glance, especially when a passage freely mixes triplet eighths and regular eighths. Rhythmic complexity in general has increased in the 20th century, so I agree with Darcy, and with his reasons. I try to make rhythms as easy to read as I possibly can, even if classic eighth beaming doesn't usually cause problems. It's the UNusual events that I try to avoid. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
