Re: [Fink-devel] Bug or Feature missing

2002-12-16 Thread Peter O'Gorman
On Monday, December 16, 2002, at 02:34 PM, Patrick Sodré wrote: /daemon /service There is no close to the here document here... Put a in and you should be good to go. PostInstScript: if [ x$1 = xinstall ]; then daemonic enable openafs-client; fi PreRmScript: if [ x$1 = xremove ]; then

[Fink-devel] new package category

2002-12-16 Thread David R. Morrison
I propose the creation of a new package category libs/obsolete. This will be the place that we put a package libfoo-shlibs which we are only keeping around for backward compatibility, for folks that have something compiled against the old library. The headers and the key /sw/lib/libfoo.dylib

Re: [Fink-devel] Bug or Feature missing

2002-12-16 Thread Patrick Sodré
Hi Peter, Nope You're probably looking at the generated .xml file, which is the end result of the bug or whatever that I've found. Regards. Patrick Sodre On Monday, December 16, 2002, at 07:40 AM, Peter O'Gorman wrote: On Monday, December 16, 2002, at 02:34 PM, Patrick Sodré wrote:

Re: [Fink-devel] The very first, general Fink Survey, PLEASE help!

2002-12-16 Thread Sylvain Cuaz
Le lundi, 16 déc 2002, à 21:45 Europe/Paris, David a écrit : What type of Macintosh do you run Fink on? - beige G3 desktop - BW G3 - iBook - TiBook - single G4 - Dual G4 - imac rev c - ibook snow - Powerbook (Wallstreet)

[Fink-devel] Re: The very first, general Fink Survey, PLEASE help!

2002-12-16 Thread Max Horn
[...] Which version of Fink is installed? (dev/normal) ( Please complete this list! ) 0.5.0a.cvs 0.5.0a 0.4.0.cvs 0.4.0 other (which: ...) [...] How useful is Fink to you? (presents a scale from 1 to 8) - a bit # # # # # # # # a lot Hm, that's a very vague question I think.

[Fink-devel] Re: The very first, general Fink Survey, PLEASE help!

2002-12-16 Thread David
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 snip How useful is Fink to you? (presents a scale from 1 to 8) - a bit # # # # # # # # a lot Hm, that's a very vague question I think. Since this measures a personal impression, there is no other way gauge it. I cannot tell you how

Re: [Fink-devel] The very first, general Fink Survey, PLEASE help!

2002-12-16 Thread S Woodside
On Monday, December 16, 2002, at 03:45 PM, David wrote: How much time did the installation of Fink safe you to get unix programs running? - 15-30 minutes - 30-60 minutes - 2 hours - 4 hours - 6 hours - more than 12 hours. unknown? How man packages do you have installed? typo many

Re: [Fink-devel] Re: The very first, general Fink Survey, PLEASE help!

2002-12-16 Thread S Woodside
I'm a bit confused still. Do you mean that you want apple to adopt fink and distribute it with the OS or Dev packages? Or do you want their staff to help you? Or what? Simon On Monday, December 16, 2002, at 04:18 PM, David wrote: This question merely gauges how the users feel about Fink. If

Re: [Fink-devel] Re: The very first, general Fink Survey, PLEASE help!

2002-12-16 Thread Sylvain Cuaz
Le lundi, 16 déc 2002, à 22:18 Europe/Paris, David a écrit : How useful is Fink to you? (presents a scale from 1 to 8) - a bit # # # # # # # # a lot Hm, that's a very vague question I think. Since this measures a personal impression, there is no other way gauge it. I cannot tell you how

Re: [Fink-devel] The very first, general Fink Survey, PLEASE help!

2002-12-16 Thread Patrick Näf
I dare to ask the question: is this really necessary? I find a 30-50 questions survey repulsive! In my eyes it makes fink begin to look like, well, a commercial product. Maybe I have always looked the other way when I encountered one, but after thinking for 30 seconds I couldn't come up with

Re: [Fink-devel] Bug or Feature missing

2002-12-16 Thread David R. Morrison
One thing I've run into with the here-document parsing: if there is any whitespace AFTER , on the same line, it won't be recognized as closing the here-document. HTH, Dave --- This sf.net email is sponsored by: With Great Power, Comes

Re: [Fink-devel] The very first, general Fink Survey, PLEASE help!

2002-12-16 Thread Martin Costabel
Patrick Näf wrote: [] Sorry for my extremely negative attitude, but it is what I feel. You are not alone. -- Martin --- This sf.net email is sponsored by: With Great Power, Comes Great Responsibility Learn to use your power at OSDN's High

Re: [Fink-devel] The very first, general Fink Survey, PLEASE help!

2002-12-16 Thread Benjamin Reed
On Mon, 2002-12-16 at 16:54, Patrick Näf wrote: I dare to ask the question: is this really necessary? I find a 30-50 questions survey repulsive! In my eyes it makes fink begin to look like, well, a commercial product. Maybe I have always looked the other way when I encountered one, but

Re: [Fink-devel] The very first, general Fink Survey, PLEASE help!

2002-12-16 Thread Benjamin Reed
Max and I spoke very carefully about this and he seems to feel, that it is a good idea to query users. Personally I do not wish to be some anonymous provider of a packaging system. I wish to know who I am doing this for and I wish to be able to keep it that way. And this is why I haven't

Re: [Fink-devel] The very first, general Fink Survey, PLEASE help!

2002-12-16 Thread Jim White
David wrote: Please review them carefully and add your comments/answers. ... How useful is Fink to you? (presents a scale from 1 to 8) - a bit # # # # # # # # a lot I think it would be informative to ask how often fink and (more importantly) fink-installed packages are used. How

Re: [Fink-devel] The very first, general Fink Survey, PLEASE help!

2002-12-16 Thread Remi Mommsen
Hi, just to add my 2 cents: Please review them carefully and add your comments/answers. - ---start Age: Gender: - female - male Occupation: - Student - IT-Professional - Professor Professor is a bit to narrow IMHO. I would ask for researcher/academic staff or similar (I'm a

Re: [Fink-devel] The very first, general Fink Survey, PLEASE help!

2002-12-16 Thread David
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Montag, Dezember 16, 2002, at 11:43 Uhr, Thom Peters II wrote: snip The correct terms for gender would be masculine and feminine, unless you're wondering what's between the user's legs, in which case you would be querying Sex and not

Re: [Fink-devel] The very first, general Fink Survey, PLEASE help!

2002-12-16 Thread Carsten Klapp
Gender: - Do not wish to say I assume the whole survey will be voluntary, no? And no silly javascript-popup-survey either please! ;-P So even if one does not wish to fill it out, one may still use fink Also some of the comments and responses generated in this thread could also be used as

Re: [Fink-devel] The very first, general Fink Survey, PLEASE help!

2002-12-16 Thread David
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Dienstag, Dezember 17, 2002, at 12:38 Uhr, Patrick Näf wrote: To me it is, yes. That one was obvious :-) Amazing ehy ? Oh, there are many. KDE, GNOME, even some GNU projects have or have had efforts in the past to gather

Re: [Fink-devel] The very first, general Fink Survey, PLEASE help!

2002-12-16 Thread S Woodside
On Monday, December 16, 2002, at 04:54 PM, Patrick Näf wrote: I once more ask the question: what do you need this data for? I would also be interested to hear from Max Horn and other core people if this is something coordinated. As someone else already said, it would likely to be a good

Re: [Fink-devel] The very first, general Fink Survey, PLEASE help!

2002-12-16 Thread Ben Hines
On Monday, December 16, 2002, at 05:18 PM, S Woodside wrote: On Monday, December 16, 2002, at 04:54 PM, Patrick Näf wrote: I once more ask the question: what do you need this data for? I would also be interested to hear from Max Horn and other core people if this is something coordinated.

[Fink-devel] matrix

2002-12-16 Thread Ben Hines
Does anyone plan to fix the upgrade matrix? Somehow i feel it won't get done - ever - or possibly, maybe, 3 weeks from now - unless I do it myself. This is why we shouldn't have delayed 0.5.0a, because nothing ever gets released it seems. Noone has the time to do anything. (except maybe

Re: [Fink-devel] The very first, general Fink Survey, PLEASE help!

2002-12-16 Thread Ben Hines
On Monday, December 16, 2002, at 05:53 PM, David wrote: Well if we were to go that route, I could also say, that we do not need the whole survey and nobody needs to put effort into this. Ah, the i'll take my toys and go home angle? Grow up. A short survey would be useful. We don't need to

Re: [Fink-devel] The very first, general Fink Survey, PLEASE help!

2002-12-16 Thread David
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Dienstag, Dezember 17, 2002, at 03:12 Uhr, Ben Hines wrote: On Monday, December 16, 2002, at 05:53 PM, David wrote: Well if we were to go that route, I could also say, that we do not need the whole survey and nobody needs to put

[Fink-devel] Closing Thread -- ( The very first, general Fink Survey, PLEASE help! )

2002-12-16 Thread David
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Just an informational Mail. I for my part am closing this thread. I am not going to answer any more mail concerning this thread since I feel that many valid arguments have been made and I should try to analyse them before speaking more of this

Re: [Fink-devel] matrix

2002-12-16 Thread David R. Morrison
Ben, I've been working on it today. There are some problems which I would be happy to discuss with someone. Unfortunately I can't get on IRC right now -- I'll try again in a bit. -- Dave --- This sf.net email is sponsored by: With Great

Re: [Fink-devel] The very first, general Fink Survey, PLEASE help!

2002-12-16 Thread Patrick Näf
David, please allow me to respond more in general than to specific comments. I think I have to rephrase and sum up everything a bit, otherwise the discussion will degenerate into details and nobody will understand anymore what we were initially talking about. Step for step: Motivation: I

[Fink-devel] Source-MD5 and Homepage fields

2002-12-16 Thread Patrick Näf
As part of my redemption for the sin of making negative comments on the list :-) I would like to offer the following penance: Quite a number of .info files don't have a Homepage or Source-MD5 field. If you people think that it would be worthwile I would make an effort to provide the necessary

Re: [Fink-devel] The very first, general Fink Survey, PLEASE help!

2002-12-16 Thread Hisashi T Fujinaka
I'm sorry, but I find David ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) to be incredibly annoying. First it was just the the PGP signed messages that I couldn't read in pine 4.50 (I had to get pgpenvelope working to read them) and then it was his trying to take over the whole of fink documentation while, in my American