Re: [Fink-devel] /usr/local/fink

On Monday, January 6, 2003, at 11:53 PM, David wrote: On Dienstag, Jänner 7, 2003, at 08:40 Uhr, Brian Kendig wrote: Installing from the Fink 0.5.0a disk image doesn't prompt me for a location; it automatically uses '/sw'. I'll go back and reinstall from the .tar.gz file. (But installi

Re: [Fink-devel] Who should Provide X11 ?

[ Please forgive me if the tone is a little harsh; I'm stuck in front of a Windoze box for the moment... ] > Sure you can think of scenarios where someone might want the X > libraries installed and not the X server, but these are largely > artificial. Erm, what?! I have at least 20 servers, of

Re: [Fink-devel] /usr/local/fink

On Monday, January 6, 2003, at 11:53 PM, David wrote: For a long time /sw has been an "acronym" or at least and ailas for a Fink install on a Mac system. That is my point and it is never moot, since we are indulging in active discussion here and nothing is set in stone. I'm just observing th

Re: [Fink-devel] Who should Provide X11 ?

Ther are a couple of different possiblities for where we pay... at the moment we save 4MB on the default install. This is not as trivial as people make out - my 6GB drive is generally full, and I actively look at anything over 1MB to see if I can get rid of it. Add to that the time to download (in

Re: [Fink-devel] Who should Provide X11 ?

On Tuesday, January 7, 2003, at 04:09 AM, Charles McCathieNevile wrote: Ther are a couple of different possiblities for where we pay... at the moment we save 4MB on the default install. This is not as trivial as people make out - my 6GB drive is generally full, and I actively look at anything

[Fink-devel] X11: rootless v. base

I agree that the rootless package is kind of pointless, but as "Anthony DeRobertis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said there are many situations when X11 libs, but no X server are needed. but because fink installs ALL of XFree86 except the server in one package that argument is moot until we see many mor

Re: [Fink-devel] X11: rootless v. base

Well, code that is partially well-factored is better than not having it done at all - the point of running open-source beta software is that we can have incremental improvements... EUR 0,02 chaals On Tue, 7 Jan 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >I agree that the rootless package is kind of pointles

Re: [Fink-devel] /usr/local/fink

Kow K wrote: The "shallowness" of /sw directory is pretty handy. It's an "island" well isolated from other critical areas. ... I'm afraid that most Fink users, current or future, get intimidated if /sw is deeply embeded in /usr/local/fink. Years ago, when I used to use Windows 98, I ran into a

Re: [Fink-devel] Who should Provide X11 ?

On Mon, 6 Jan 2003, Ben Hines wrote: > > On Monday, January 6, 2003, at 10:56 AM, Jeff Whitaker wrote: > > > I argue for leaving it as is. We indeed have had this discussion > > before, > > and the conclusion was that since there are lots of ways to use X11 > > apps > > without having xfree86-ro

[Fink-devel] [Fink] A problem with gsl.

Hi, I was updating gsl when I got this error message: Writing shlibs file... dpkg-deb -b root-gsl-shlibs-1.3-1 /sw/fink/dists/unstable/main/binary-darwin-powerpc/sci dpkg-deb: building package `gsl-shlibs' in `/sw/fink/dists/unstable/main/binary-darwin-powerpc/sci/gsl- shlibs_1.3-1_darwin-po

Re: [Fink-devel] Who should Provide X11 ?

On Tuesday, January 7, 2003, at 02:42 AM, Ben Hines wrote: The current situation causes a LOT of confusion for newbies. And for what - to save 4 megs of hard drive space. Thats silly. I agree, saving 4 megs out of 45 isn't really worth the amount of questions we get on the subject. No matter

Re: [Fink-devel] Who should Provide X11 ?

To reiterate the point that both Martin and I made earlier (to avoid potential confusion when people search the list archives), and just mentioned today on the OroborOSX list, too: OroborOSX requires you to have _all_ of XFree86. Its "private XDarwin" is just a replacement for XDarwin.app. On M

[Fink-devel] Will someone look at my package?

Hi all. I'm new to creating Fink packages. I spent the last few hours making one up and I'm hoping some of you will help me by looking at it and making sure I've done it correctly. I haven't tested it yet (and I'm not sure how but I'll figure it out) but I want to know if there are any right-of

Re: [Fink-devel] Will someone look at my package?

It would be best if you could post it to the package submission tracker: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=414256&group_id=17203 Like this more people can look at it. --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition +

Re: [Fink-devel] /usr/local/fink

On Tuesday, January 7, 2003, at 05:08 AM, Brian Kendig wrote: A major point of Darwin's work was that many different species can all coexist in the same place together and in fact depend on each other for survival. Take those finches and put them on an island all by themselves with no other

Re: [Fink-devel] Who should Provide X11 ?

On Tuesday, January 7, 2003, at 05:12 AM, jeff whitaker wrote: Ben: Look at the archives - I wasn't just agreeing with myself. Jeez, I never thought I'd get so much grief for expressing an opinion. Anyway, since I'm clearly in the minority here's what I propose to do. Nevermind me, i just l

Re: [Fink-devel] /usr/local/fink

This discussion seems pretty pointless to me. We had it over and over in the past. It would be nice if people would at least search the mailing list archives before bringing up this topic again . Max -- --- Max Horn Software Developer

Re: [Fink-devel] X11: rootless v. base

My take on this is as follows: As Torrey pointed out, the seperation of the X11 package is largely historical. In fact, both Jeff and I in the past attempted to merge it back into one package. However, this is not something as trivial as you might think - it caused various update & transition

Re: [Fink-devel] /usr/local/fink

This discussion seems pretty pointless to me. We had it over and over in the past. It would be nice if people would at least search the mailing list archives before bringing up this topic again . I did. I found exactly one previous mention of '/usr/local/fink', which you dismissed with 'please

[Fink-devel] MD5 fields now semi-required

I just modified the package validator (in CVS) to generate a warning for any missing MD5 field. Everybody should go through their packages and add MD5 fields (me, too, I hope I will find the time for that soon). In the meantime, there are about 120 package validation warnings/errors in unstabl

Re: [Fink-devel] /usr/local/fink

At 11:17 Uhr -0500 07.01.2003, Brian Kendig wrote: This discussion seems pretty pointless to me. We had it over and over in the past. It would be nice if people would at least search the mailing list archives before bringing up this topic again . I did. I found exactly one previous mention of

Re: [Fink-devel] /usr/local/fink

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hay all, On Tuesday, January 7, 2003, at 08:42 AM, Max Horn wrote: /usr/local/fink falls into about the same category as /usr/local. In fact, I think it combines that bad parts of /usr/local with any drawbacks /sw has... :-) I agree. Anyway, as

Re: [Fink-devel] MD5 fields now semi-required

A few weeks ago I mentioned on fink-devel that I would like to make an effort and add Homepage and Source-MD5 fields to those .info files that lack them. I would like to announce that I am almost done with my work. Basically I just need to make a couple of final checks and then I would be ready t

Re: [Fink-devel] /usr/local/fink

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ben Hines) wrote : > Actually, some systems similar to fink use /opt, for the same reason > fink uses /sw. Or perhaps, like NetBSDs use usr/pkg we can use /usr/fink Anyway, usr/local/fink is definitely *not* a good idea : /sw /usr/local /usr/pkg /opt are all "shadow trees" Wh

Re: [Fink-devel] X11: rootless v. base

i suppose that it is better to be able to have incrimental upgrades w/ separate packages. but xfree86-rootless always depends on the latest xfree86-base. so we still upgrade the whole, just it takes more steps. I'd like to see many more parts/sections of the xfree86 packages. I'd b willing

Re: [Fink-devel] Apple's X11

On Tuesday, January 7, 2003, at 07:48 pm, Finlay Dobbie wrote: The user install download link at http://www.apple.com/macosx/x11/download/ is broken currently. The SDK posted there won't help anyone, its just libraries and headers. The text link in the sidebar works, the graphic one which li

Re: [Fink-devel] MD5 fields now semi-required

On Tuesday, January 7, 2003, at 06:33 PM, Patrick Naef wrote: I would like to announce that I am almost done with my work. Basically I just need to make a couple of final checks and then I would be ready to deliver the modified .info files to the package submission tracker. So, before anybo

Re: [Fink-devel] Apple's X11

On Tuesday, January 7, 2003, at 07:44 pm, Ben Hines wrote: dpkg -r --force-depends xfree86-base dpkg -r --force-depends xfree86-base-shlibs For most of us that should probably be xfree86-base-threaded, xfree86-base-threaded-shlibs, xfree86-rootless-threaded and xfree86-rootless-threaded-shl

Re: [Fink-devel] Apple's X11

On Tuesday, January 7, 2003, at 12:26 PM, David R. Morrison wrote: Another relevant link, which may indicate which way the wind is blowing, long-term: http://www.opendarwin.org/projects/darwinports/en/x11.php I somehow doubt that. .pkg files are a huge step backwards, even the darwinports

Re: [Fink-devel] New Apple's X11

I wrote, without thinking first : > Apple is about to relase a X11 environment for Jaguar. Seems promising, > with tight integration within Aqua. > > I think a "placeholder" package would be convenient. Has someone began > to do that ? If not, I'll try to do it.

Re: [Fink-devel] New Apple's X11

I think you had a valid concern: back in the 10.1 days we had system-xfree86 and system-xtools because Xtools wasn't exactly the same as XFree86. Fortunately, Apple didn't do anything odd to the X11 core. On Tue, 2003-01-07 at 16:05, Xavier HUMBERT wrote: > I wrote, without thinking first : > >

[Fink-devel] I'm back! (Almost)

Greetings Fink packagers, It's been 9 months since I left Fink after selling my iBook (terrible video encoding performance without G4), but after today's Macworld Expo, I just placed my order for the new 12" PBook! Fink has advanced quite a bit since I left - KDE is finally ported, and Evolution

Re: [Fink-devel] Apple's X11

On Tuesday, Jan 7, 2003, at 14:34 US/Eastern, Finlay Dobbie wrote: http://www.apple.com/macosx/x11/ Just thought y'all should know :-) Hot DAMN!!! This looks like apple took the existing XDarwin.app and added a bunch of small little things that make it just a little nicer to work with (Additi

[Fink-devel] system-xfree86-4.2-1

-- Package manager version: 0.11.1 Distribution version: 0.5.0a Mac OS X version: 10.2.3 Developer Tools not installed Can't get package to install with Apple X11 Beta. --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition +

[Fink-devel] fink xfree86 and Apple X11

Apple's X11 will work with fink xfree86-4.2.1.1 on 10.2.3. I tested this by installing xfree86-base, xfree86-rootless (and shlibs), then copying over /Applications/X11.app, /usr/X11R6/bin/Xquartz, /usr/X11R6/bin/quartz-wm and /usr/X11R6/lib/libapplexp.1.0.dylib from an Apple X11 installation. Do

Re: [Fink-devel] fink xfree86 and Apple X11

On Tuesday, January 7, 2003, at 08:30 PM, Jeff Whitaker wrote: Apple's X11 will work with fink xfree86-4.2.1.1 on 10.2.3. I tested this by installing xfree86-base, xfree86-rootless (and shlibs), then copying over /Applications/X11.app, /usr/X11R6/bin/Xquartz, /usr/X11R6/bin/quartz-wm and /usr/

[Fink-devel] kdelibs3-ssl-dev depency issues

Hi, I'm unable to "fink update-all" because of this depency problem: Dépaquetage de la mise à jour de kdelibs3-ssl-dev ... dpkg : des problèmes de dépendances empêchent la configuration de kdelibs3-ssl-dev : kdelibs3-ssl-dev dépend de kdelibs3-ssl (>= 3.1-1) ; cependant : La version de kdelib

Re: [Fink-devel] fink xfree86 and Apple X11

On Tue, 7 Jan 2003, Benjamin Reed wrote: > On Tuesday, January 7, 2003, at 08:30 PM, Jeff Whitaker wrote: > > > > > Apple's X11 will work with fink xfree86-4.2.1.1 on 10.2.3. I tested > > this > > by installing xfree86-base, xfree86-rootless (and shlibs), then copying > > over /Applications/X11.a

Re: [Fink-devel] kdelibs3-ssl-dev depency issues

On Tuesday, January 7, 2003, at 08:38 PM, Pejvan BEIGUI wrote: Failed: can't batch-install packages: /sw/fink/dists/unstable/crypto/binary-darwin-powerpc/kdelibs3- ssl_3.1-1_darwin-powerpc.deb /sw/fink/dists/unstable/crypto/binary-darwin-powerpc/kdelibs3-ssl- dev_3.1-1_darwin-powerpc.deb I

Re: [Fink-devel] kdelibs3-ssl-dev depency issues

Benjamin Reed wrote: On Tuesday, January 7, 2003, at 08:38 PM, Pejvan BEIGUI wrote: Failed: can't batch-install packages: /sw/fink/dists/unstable/crypto/binary-darwin-powerpc/kdelibs3- ssl_3.1-1_darwin-powerpc.deb /sw/fink/dists/unstable/crypto/binary-darwin-powerpc/kdelibs3-ssl- dev_3.1-1

Re: [Fink-devel] Apple's X11

I'm scared. ;) This looks a LOT like OroborOSX. anyone agree? JP http://www.apple.com/macosx/x11/ Just thought y'all should know :-) -- Finlay --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld

[Fink-devel] Odd number of elements in hash assignment warnings

I'm getting this warning too, now, with fink 0.11.1-10 installed. It may have been caused by the new X11, but that seems strange. ... ccache-2.1/unify.c Odd number of elements in hash assignment at /sw/lib/perl5/Fink/PkgVersion.pm line 1748. Use of uninitialized value in list assignment at /sw/l

Re: [Fink-devel] Odd number of elements in hash assignment warnings

Figured it out. This is caused by the ccp4 pacakge. It sets something bad in its profile.d scripts. Not sure what, exactly, it would be good if the maintainer could figure out what variable breaks fink. -Ben On Tuesday, January 7, 2003, at 06:41 PM, Ben Hines wrote: I'm getting this warning t

Re: [Fink-devel] Apple's X11

On Tuesday, January 7, 2003, at 09:24 PM, John Davidorff Pell wrote: This looks a LOT like OroborOSX. anyone agree? No. I'm using the Smoothstripes Square theme and all the Apple X11 windows are too. OroborOSX simply uses a theme that looks like Aqua. -

Re: [Fink-devel] Odd number of elements in hash assignment warnings

Hi: First of all, I apologize for this. I had noticed this nonfatal error also since the 10.2.3 upgrade but had no idea that I was the cause of it. It was not happening, at least to me, in 10.2.2 and below. The quick fix is to remove the file %p/etc/profile.d/ccp4.sh where %p :== /sw or yo

[Fink-devel] system-xfree86-4.2-1

-- Package manager version: 0.11.1 Distribution version: 0.5.0a Mac OS X version: 10.2.3 Developer Tools not installed Feedback Courtesy of FinkCommander Hi folks, Not sure if this is the right avenue to take, but I am out of ideas. I have read the docs and done the initial fink installs AFT

[Fink-devel] FIX for a bug I created: CCP4 OS X Users: I may have screwed up your fink installation -- here's the fix

Hi folks: I managed to create a bug in some people's fink installations. This will occur only if you installed ccp4, so fortunately that is a small user community. However, the immediate fix is sudo rm /sw/etc/profile.d/ccp4.sh Is there a way for fink to just do this automatically during a se

[Fink-devel] Fwd: [Fink-users] What do you guys make of this?

I got the following response from Jordan Hubbard at Apple on Darwin OS Users list. Kow Begin forwarded message: From: Jordan Hubbard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue Jan 7, 2003 1:20:49 PM US/Pacific To: Kow K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Fink-users] What do you guys ma

[Fink-devel] binary available for new system-xfree86

The newest version of system-xfree86, required for use with Apple's X11, is now available in binary as well as source form. Binary users should run "sudo apt-get update" prior to following the instructions on Fink's website. Source users should run "fink selfupdate-cvs" prior to following the ins

Re: [Fink-devel] kdelibs3-ssl-dev depency issues

Le mercredi, 8 jan 2003, à 03:14 Europe/Paris, Pejvan BEIGUI a écrit : Benjamin Reed wrote: On Tuesday, January 7, 2003, at 08:38 PM, Pejvan BEIGUI wrote: Failed: can't batch-install packages: /sw/fink/dists/unstable/crypto/binary-darwin-powerpc/kdelibs3- ssl_3.1-1_darwin-powerpc.deb /sw/

[Fink-devel] Apple's X11

http://www.apple.com/macosx/x11/ Just thought y'all should know :-) -- Finlay --- This SF.NET email is sponsored by: SourceForge Enterprise Edition + IBM + LinuxWorld = Something 2 See! http://www.vasoftware.com _

Re: [Fink-devel] Apple's X11

On Tuesday, January 7, 2003, at 11:34 AM, Finlay Dobbie wrote: http://www.apple.com/macosx/x11/ Just thought y'all should know :-) -- Finlay The user install download link at http://www.apple.com/macosx/x11/download/ is broken currently. The SDK posted there won't help anyone, its just l

Re: [Fink-devel] Apple's X11

On Tuesday, January 7, 2003, at 07:44 pm, Ben Hines wrote: The user install download link at http://www.apple.com/macosx/x11/download/ is broken currently. The SDK posted there won't help anyone, its just libraries and headers. The text link in the sidebar works, the graphic one which links

[Fink-devel] (no subject)

Perhaps this is the solution to the entire Xfree Rootless debate. If Apple were to start shipping this by Default, or FINK were to officially recommend Apple's solution for a full installation of X11, and just use it's internal version for people who don't need the extra fluff. I'm surprised thi

Re: [Fink-devel] Apple's X11

Another relevant link, which may indicate which way the wind is blowing, long-term: http://www.opendarwin.org/projects/darwinports/en/x11.php -- Dave On Jan 7,2003 19:34:12 +, Finlay Dobbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : >http://www.apple.com/macosx/x11/ > >Just thought y'all should know :

Re: [Fink-devel] Apple's X11

On Tuesday, January 7, 2003, at 01:44 PM, Ben Hines wrote: The user install download link at http://www.apple.com/macosx/x11/download/ is broken currently. The SDK posted there won't help anyone, its just libraries and headers. For those who want to try it out later, when the download works.

[Fink-devel] New Apple's X11

Apple is about to relase a X11 environment for Jaguar. Seems promising, with tight integration within Aqua. I think a "placeholder" package would be convenient. Has someone began to do that ? If not, I'll try to do it. -- Xavier http://www.freetibet.org http:/

Re: [Fink-devel] New Apple's X11

On Tuesday, January 7, 2003, at 02:49 PM, Xavier HUMBERT wrote: Apple is about to relase a X11 environment for Jaguar. Seems promising, with tight integration within Aqua. I think a "placeholder" package would be convenient. Has someone began to do that ? If n

[Fink-devel] x11, another tale

And now to through Yet Another Monkey Wrench In, we have... http://www.apple.com/macosx/x11/ so we need a dummy package that says "I have Apple's X11 Server installed". Unless that's already completely and accurately described by something else on the list. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Sto

Re: [Fink-devel] x11, another tale

It's in the new system-xfree86 that Dave M. committed a few minutes ago. -- Alexander K. Hansen Associate Research Scientist, Columbia University visiting MIT Plasma Science and Fusion Center Levitated Dipole Experiment 175 Albany Street, NW17-219 Cambridge, MA 02139-4213 On Tue, 7 Jan 2003, Ran