Re: [Flashcoders] My rights - site not paid for.

[Helmut Granda]

But having the power to access to the server through FTP doesnt make the
coder a good guy either :)

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 4:51 PM, laurent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Having no contract does not make the none payer a good guy, he apparently
> does not want to pay. And if he have problems I guess the coder have too, so
> he should deal with his own stuff as we do here and if he can't he should
> commnicate about it. But I don't think the problem is here. The best thing
> is to call a lawyer that will get in contact with him, you won't even have
> to get to court, the guy will pay straight away. As far as he can't handle
> dirty hands I guess...but you will win.
>
> L
>
> Helmut Granda a écrit :
>
>  Im with Doctor H here,
>>
>> We don't know the details or both parties information about the project,
>> if
>> you are a freelancer/contractor this might harm you in the long run.
>> Granted, you might get the money you are owed but in the end of the day it
>> might be 1+ (many more) possible non clients. Remember that the bad press
>> travels a lot faster than good rep and good rep is always hard to come by.
>>
>> If I read correctly you don't have a written contract which in the end is
>> also a bad practice and you have to take your losses.
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 1:13 PM, dr.ache <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Have you ever thought about what that makes for your image?
>>> I would encourage you to stay polite and willing to accept their delay as
>>> long
>>> as it is possible for you. You can deny to work with this client in the
>>> future anyways
>>> but do not threaten somebody with court or anything before there is no
>>> other way around.
>>>
>>> Have always in mind that there can be a reason you could not even imagine
>>> behind that
>>> delay. You are dealing with people - just try to image this guy really
>>> has
>>> problems and
>>> dont want you to know about that, or anybody else. When you take him to
>>> the
>>> court you
>>> might get your money but a very very bad image in the head of that
>>> guy,too.
>>>
>>> The other way round - if he finally pays you and he saw that you are
>>> flexible he might
>>> recommend you the next time. Have the good parts about people in mind,
>>> dont
>>> make
>>> assumtions.
>>>
>>> My cents...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Pete Hotchkiss schrieb:
>>>
>>>  Eamons point about the computer misuse act is not strictly true - you
>>>
>>>
 own the site unless a contract exists explicitly licensing full
 ownership of everything up payment completion.

 My advise however is to leave the site up and get Thomas Higgins on the
 case. He's BRILLIANT and has a ni on 100% record for recovering debts.
 He's completely ruthless and gets results

 http://www.thomas-higgins.co.uk/

 Trust me - use these guys and you'll have you money before the month is
 out




 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Piers
 Cowburn
 Sent: 08 December 2008 11:51
 To: Flash Coders List
 Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] My rights - site not paid for.

 I've been in this situation before and done the same as Paul, it ended
 up going to a small claims court and the client didn't even turn up for
 the hearing. I got paid and the costs were covered by the client.

 Piers


 On 8 Dec 2008, at 11:38, Paul Steven wrote:





> Hi Stephen
>
> I had a similar situation about a year ago and in this case I had no
> contract but just emails from the client agreeing on the cost for the
> work.
>
> Anyway I simply made a claim via
> https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/csmco2/index.jsp and I won my case. It
> was
> really simple and will cost you nothing as you get all your costs paid
> for
> by the customer if you win.
>
> I would be reluctant to take the site down as doing so will then mean
> the
> customer has nothing to pay for. By leaving the site up and running,
> you
> have fulfilled your obligations.
>
> Anyway good luck!!
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Stephen
> Matthews
> Sent: 08 December 2008 11:03
> To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
> Subject: [Flashcoders] My rights - site not paid for.
>
> What are my rights ( in the UK ) for taking down a site which has not
> been paid for?
>
> The owner of the company is happy with his site, but is not coughing
> up.
>
> I still have FTP access.
>
> He says the site took too long, and makes lots of excuses for not
> paying
> - which do not tally.
> He changed the site drastically at least three times - I think it took
>
>
>
>



> too long too, due to this.
> He is upda

Re: [Flashcoders] My rights - site not paid for.

[Latcho]

Never take the site offline, that is a looser situation.
If you have ftp acces I would transfer the site to a private ftp, and 
make an I-frame from the original location.

That way you protect your source files.
First you disable his CMS entrance (never something visible on the 
frontside because that angries them, and they might sue you for hurting 
their business).

Then you negotiate again.
Latcho


poste9 wrote:

give ftp information to some brazilian where there isnt internet's law.
its an option too.

2008/12/8 Eamonn Faherty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

  

This is a grey area.  Did you draw up a contract when you started the
job?  Deleting the live site could be deemed as an infringement of the
computer misuse act.

Do the easiest thing, sell the debt to a debt management agency and move
on to another job.

I bet the money you will lose doing this will be far less than the
amount you can make on another job in the time it takes to chase this
up!

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen
Matthews
Sent: 08 December 2008 11:03
To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
Subject: [Flashcoders] My rights - site not paid for.

What are my rights ( in the UK ) for taking down a site which has not
been paid for?

The owner of the company is happy with his site, but is not coughing up.

I still have FTP access.

He says the site took too long, and makes lots of excuses for not
paying - which do not tally.
He changed the site drastically at least three times - I think it took
too long too, due to this.
He is updating the news section and other sections whenever he has new
material.

I would be interested in your thoughts.

This person won an award for being a top business man this year - is
this what you have to do to be a top business man - screw people?

I am not the kind of person to take this action really, but I may
consider it.

Thanks

S



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[Flashcoders] Please help with AS3 3d api

[Mihai Stanescu]

Hello all

I want to build a simple cube mapping viewer meaning viewer is in
center of a 3D cube, textured with cube mapping and perspective. The
cube rotates.

here is how my code looks like for displaying LEFT face

root.transform.perspectiveProjection.fieldOfView = 55;
root.transform.perspectiveProjection.projectionCenter = 
new Point(0,0);

mat = new Matrix3D();
mat.identity();

mat.prepend(root.transform.perspectiveProjection.toMatrix3D().clone());
mat.prependRotation(-90, Vector3D.Y_AXIS);
mat.prependTranslation(0,0,t);

var t:Number=picWidth/2;
verts = new Vector.();
verts.push(-t,-t, 0,  t,-t,0,  t,t,0,  -t,t,0); 


var uvts:Vector. = new Vector.();
uvts.push(0,0,0 , 1,0,0, 1,1,0, 0,1,0);

var projecteds:Vector. = new Vector.();
projecteds.push(0,0, 0,0,  0,0,  0,0);

var indices:Vector. = new Vector.();
indices.push(0,1,3, 1,2,3);

Utils3D.projectVectors(mat, verts, projecteds, uvts);


cubeShape.graphics.beginBitmapFill(imageLoader.bitmapData[bmp]);
cubeShape.graphics.drawTriangles(projecteds, indices, 
uvts);
cubeShape.graphics.endFill();   

The problem:

Face is displayed, seem to be rotated correctly BUTit goes to
infinityflash renders it on LEFT and RIGHT sides in a loop
shrinking to infinity.


When looking to the transformation matrix the dump looks kinda weard
and something like
rawData = Vector. (@373d641)
   [0] = 2.9405585632484924E-14
   [1] = 0
   [2] = 0.25
   [3] = 1
   [4] = 0
   [5] = 480.24554443359375
   [6] = 0
   [7] = 0
   [8] = -480.24554443359375
   [9] = 0
   [10] = 1.5307579422779716E-17
   [11] = 6.123031769111886E-17
   [12] = 0
   [13] = 0
   [14] = 0
   [15] = 0
   fixed = false
   length = 16 [0x10]

These values happen after these 2 operations

mat.prepend(root.transform.perspectiveProjection.toMatrix3D().clone());
mat.prependRotation(-90, Vector3D.Y_AXIS);


Well...hope someone can help. Im kinda stuck

Thanks
Mihai
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Re: [Flashcoders] My rights - site not paid for.

[Matt S.]

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 2:13 PM, dr.ache <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Have always in mind that there can be a reason you could not even imagine
> behind that
> delay. You are dealing with people - just try to image this guy really has
> problems and
> dont want you to know about that, or anybody else. When you take him to the
> court you
> might get your money but a very very bad image in the head of that guy,too.
>

That's true, but as he says "He says the site took too long, and makes
lots of excuses for not paying - which do not tally.". I could be
wrong, but for me that kind of behavior, where they start blaming the
contractor and claiming this that and the other as a reason to not
pay, sets off my "BAD CLIENT" alarm bells. A client who is having
financial difficulties will often try to push off payment until later
and give you "the check is in the mail" brushoffs, but actually
claiming that your work doesnt deserve payment, even though they're
using your work, is shady.

.m
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Re: [Flashcoders] My rights - site not paid for.

[laurent]

Having no contract does not make the none payer a good guy, he 
apparently does not want to pay. And if he have problems I guess the 
coder have too, so he should deal with his own stuff as we do here and 
if he can't he should commnicate about it. But I don't think the problem 
is here. The best thing is to call a lawyer that will get in contact 
with him, you won't even have to get to court, the guy will pay straight 
away. As far as he can't handle dirty hands I guess...but you will win.


L

Helmut Granda a écrit :

Im with Doctor H here,

We don't know the details or both parties information about the project, if
you are a freelancer/contractor this might harm you in the long run.
Granted, you might get the money you are owed but in the end of the day it
might be 1+ (many more) possible non clients. Remember that the bad press
travels a lot faster than good rep and good rep is always hard to come by.

If I read correctly you don't have a written contract which in the end is
also a bad practice and you have to take your losses.

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 1:13 PM, dr.ache <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  

Have you ever thought about what that makes for your image?
I would encourage you to stay polite and willing to accept their delay as
long
as it is possible for you. You can deny to work with this client in the
future anyways
but do not threaten somebody with court or anything before there is no
other way around.

Have always in mind that there can be a reason you could not even imagine
behind that
delay. You are dealing with people - just try to image this guy really has
problems and
dont want you to know about that, or anybody else. When you take him to the
court you
might get your money but a very very bad image in the head of that guy,too.

The other way round - if he finally pays you and he saw that you are
flexible he might
recommend you the next time. Have the good parts about people in mind, dont
make
assumtions.

My cents...




Pete Hotchkiss schrieb:

 Eamons point about the computer misuse act is not strictly true - you


own the site unless a contract exists explicitly licensing full
ownership of everything up payment completion.

My advise however is to leave the site up and get Thomas Higgins on the
case. He's BRILLIANT and has a ni on 100% record for recovering debts.
He's completely ruthless and gets results

http://www.thomas-higgins.co.uk/

Trust me - use these guys and you'll have you money before the month is
out




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Piers
Cowburn
Sent: 08 December 2008 11:51
To: Flash Coders List
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] My rights - site not paid for.

I've been in this situation before and done the same as Paul, it ended
up going to a small claims court and the client didn't even turn up for
the hearing. I got paid and the costs were covered by the client.

Piers


On 8 Dec 2008, at 11:38, Paul Steven wrote:



  

Hi Stephen

I had a similar situation about a year ago and in this case I had no
contract but just emails from the client agreeing on the cost for the work.

Anyway I simply made a claim via
https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/csmco2/index.jsp and I won my case. It was
really simple and will cost you nothing as you get all your costs paid for
by the customer if you win.

I would be reluctant to take the site down as doing so will then mean the
customer has nothing to pay for. By leaving the site up and running, you
have fulfilled your obligations.

Anyway good luck!!

Paul




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen
Matthews
Sent: 08 December 2008 11:03
To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
Subject: [Flashcoders] My rights - site not paid for.

What are my rights ( in the UK ) for taking down a site which has not
been paid for?

The owner of the company is happy with his site, but is not coughing up.

I still have FTP access.

He says the site took too long, and makes lots of excuses for not paying
- which do not tally.
He changed the site drastically at least three times - I think it took





  

too long too, due to this.
He is updating the news section and other sections whenever he has new





  

material.

I would be interested in your thoughts.

This person won an award for being a top business man this year - is this
what you have to do to be a top business man - screw people?

I am not the kind of person to take this action really, but I may
consider it.

Thanks

S



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Re: [Flashcoders] My rights - site not paid for.

[Helmut Granda]

Im with Doctor H here,

We don't know the details or both parties information about the project, if
you are a freelancer/contractor this might harm you in the long run.
Granted, you might get the money you are owed but in the end of the day it
might be 1+ (many more) possible non clients. Remember that the bad press
travels a lot faster than good rep and good rep is always hard to come by.

If I read correctly you don't have a written contract which in the end is
also a bad practice and you have to take your losses.

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 1:13 PM, dr.ache <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Have you ever thought about what that makes for your image?
> I would encourage you to stay polite and willing to accept their delay as
> long
> as it is possible for you. You can deny to work with this client in the
> future anyways
> but do not threaten somebody with court or anything before there is no
> other way around.
>
> Have always in mind that there can be a reason you could not even imagine
> behind that
> delay. You are dealing with people - just try to image this guy really has
> problems and
> dont want you to know about that, or anybody else. When you take him to the
> court you
> might get your money but a very very bad image in the head of that guy,too.
>
> The other way round - if he finally pays you and he saw that you are
> flexible he might
> recommend you the next time. Have the good parts about people in mind, dont
> make
> assumtions.
>
> My cents...
>
>
>
>
> Pete Hotchkiss schrieb:
>
>  Eamons point about the computer misuse act is not strictly true - you
>> own the site unless a contract exists explicitly licensing full
>> ownership of everything up payment completion.
>>
>> My advise however is to leave the site up and get Thomas Higgins on the
>> case. He's BRILLIANT and has a ni on 100% record for recovering debts.
>> He's completely ruthless and gets results
>>
>> http://www.thomas-higgins.co.uk/
>>
>> Trust me - use these guys and you'll have you money before the month is
>> out
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Piers
>> Cowburn
>> Sent: 08 December 2008 11:51
>> To: Flash Coders List
>> Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] My rights - site not paid for.
>>
>> I've been in this situation before and done the same as Paul, it ended
>> up going to a small claims court and the client didn't even turn up for
>> the hearing. I got paid and the costs were covered by the client.
>>
>> Piers
>>
>>
>> On 8 Dec 2008, at 11:38, Paul Steven wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi Stephen
>>>
>>> I had a similar situation about a year ago and in this case I had no
>>> contract but just emails from the client agreeing on the cost for the work.
>>>
>>> Anyway I simply made a claim via
>>> https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/csmco2/index.jsp and I won my case. It was
>>> really simple and will cost you nothing as you get all your costs paid for
>>> by the customer if you win.
>>>
>>> I would be reluctant to take the site down as doing so will then mean the
>>> customer has nothing to pay for. By leaving the site up and running, you
>>> have fulfilled your obligations.
>>>
>>> Anyway good luck!!
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen
>>> Matthews
>>> Sent: 08 December 2008 11:03
>>> To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
>>> Subject: [Flashcoders] My rights - site not paid for.
>>>
>>> What are my rights ( in the UK ) for taking down a site which has not
>>> been paid for?
>>>
>>> The owner of the company is happy with his site, but is not coughing up.
>>>
>>> I still have FTP access.
>>>
>>> He says the site took too long, and makes lots of excuses for not paying
>>> - which do not tally.
>>> He changed the site drastically at least three times - I think it took
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> too long too, due to this.
>>> He is updating the news section and other sections whenever he has new
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> material.
>>>
>>> I would be interested in your thoughts.
>>>
>>> This person won an award for being a top business man this year - is this
>>> what you have to do to be a top business man - screw people?
>>>
>>> I am not the kind of person to take this action really, but I may
>>> consider it.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> S
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Flashcoders] My rights - site not paid for.

[dr.ache]

Have you ever thought about what that makes for your image?
I would encourage you to stay polite and willing to accept their delay 
as long
as it is possible for you. You can deny to work with this client in the 
future anyways
but do not threaten somebody with court or anything before there is no 
other way around.


Have always in mind that there can be a reason you could not even 
imagine behind that
delay. You are dealing with people - just try to image this guy really 
has problems and
dont want you to know about that, or anybody else. When you take him to 
the court you

might get your money but a very very bad image in the head of that guy,too.

The other way round - if he finally pays you and he saw that you are 
flexible he might
recommend you the next time. Have the good parts about people in mind, 
dont make

assumtions.

My cents...




Pete Hotchkiss schrieb:

Eamons point about the computer misuse act is not strictly true - you
own the site unless a contract exists explicitly licensing full
ownership of everything up payment completion.

My advise however is to leave the site up and get Thomas Higgins on the
case. He's BRILLIANT and has a ni on 100% record for recovering debts.
He's completely ruthless and gets results

http://www.thomas-higgins.co.uk/

Trust me - use these guys and you'll have you money before the month is
out

 



 


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Piers
Cowburn
Sent: 08 December 2008 11:51
To: Flash Coders List
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] My rights - site not paid for.

I've been in this situation before and done the same as Paul, it ended
up going to a small claims court and the client didn't even turn up for
the hearing. I got paid and the costs were covered by the client.

Piers


On 8 Dec 2008, at 11:38, Paul Steven wrote:

  

Hi Stephen

I had a similar situation about a year ago and in this case I had no 
contract but just emails from the client agreeing on the cost for the 
work.


Anyway I simply made a claim via
https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/csmco2/index.jsp and I won my case. It 
was really simple and will cost you nothing as you get all your costs 
paid for by the customer if you win.


I would be reluctant to take the site down as doing so will then mean 
the customer has nothing to pay for. By leaving the site up and 
running, you have fulfilled your obligations.


Anyway good luck!!

Paul




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
Stephen Matthews

Sent: 08 December 2008 11:03
To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
Subject: [Flashcoders] My rights - site not paid for.

What are my rights ( in the UK ) for taking down a site which has not 
been paid for?


The owner of the company is happy with his site, but is not coughing 
up.


I still have FTP access.

He says the site took too long, and makes lots of excuses for not 
paying - which do not tally.

He changed the site drastically at least three times - I think it took



  

too long too, due to this.
He is updating the news section and other sections whenever he has new



  

material.

I would be interested in your thoughts.

This person won an award for being a top business man this year - is 
this what you have to do to be a top business man - screw people?


I am not the kind of person to take this action really, but I may 
consider it.


Thanks

S



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RE: [Flashcoders] My rights - site not paid for.

[Pete Hotchkiss]

Eamons point about the computer misuse act is not strictly true - you
own the site unless a contract exists explicitly licensing full
ownership of everything up payment completion.

My advise however is to leave the site up and get Thomas Higgins on the
case. He's BRILLIANT and has a ni on 100% record for recovering debts.
He's completely ruthless and gets results

http://www.thomas-higgins.co.uk/

Trust me - use these guys and you'll have you money before the month is
out

 


 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Piers
Cowburn
Sent: 08 December 2008 11:51
To: Flash Coders List
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] My rights - site not paid for.

I've been in this situation before and done the same as Paul, it ended
up going to a small claims court and the client didn't even turn up for
the hearing. I got paid and the costs were covered by the client.

Piers


On 8 Dec 2008, at 11:38, Paul Steven wrote:

> Hi Stephen
>
> I had a similar situation about a year ago and in this case I had no 
> contract but just emails from the client agreeing on the cost for the 
> work.
>
> Anyway I simply made a claim via
> https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/csmco2/index.jsp and I won my case. It 
> was really simple and will cost you nothing as you get all your costs 
> paid for by the customer if you win.
>
> I would be reluctant to take the site down as doing so will then mean 
> the customer has nothing to pay for. By leaving the site up and 
> running, you have fulfilled your obligations.
>
> Anyway good luck!!
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Stephen Matthews
> Sent: 08 December 2008 11:03
> To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
> Subject: [Flashcoders] My rights - site not paid for.
>
> What are my rights ( in the UK ) for taking down a site which has not 
> been paid for?
>
> The owner of the company is happy with his site, but is not coughing 
> up.
>
> I still have FTP access.
>
> He says the site took too long, and makes lots of excuses for not 
> paying - which do not tally.
> He changed the site drastically at least three times - I think it took

> too long too, due to this.
> He is updating the news section and other sections whenever he has new

> material.
>
> I would be interested in your thoughts.
>
> This person won an award for being a top business man this year - is 
> this what you have to do to be a top business man - screw people?
>
> I am not the kind of person to take this action really, but I may 
> consider it.
>
> Thanks
>
> S
>
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RE: [Flashcoders] Soma Protest

[Brenda Hicks]

Great minds think alike! I had the same vision in my head -- especially
since my son works in the SOMA district for an ad agency.  

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin
Mcfarland
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 8:50 AM
To: Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
Subject: re: [Flashcoders] Soma Protest

Living near San Francisco, at first glance I thought this thread was going
to be about a protest in the South-of-Market ("SOMA") neighborhood. I began
to visualize angry FlashCoders taking to the streets, demanding (a better
IDE?) (a return to some AS2 "features"?)
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Re: [Flashcoders] Audio lag on KeyboardEvent.KEY_DOWN

[Todd Kerpelman]

I'm actually running into a very similar problem trying to create my little
flash-based drum machine. I've got a 100 ms .wav that I'm trying to play on
a regular basis and no matter what I try, it comes out sounding weird and
erratic. I was hoping there was some magic "Here's how you compress and/or
pre-load the sound so that it plays instantly" trick that I was missing.

I've done several tests -- from playing the sound every x frames, to playing
the sound every x ms, to keeping two identical copies of the same sound and
alternating between them, but nothing seems to help much.

I'd be glad to share some test code if anybody's interested in trying this
at home, but it sounds like maybe the problem is Flash's and not mine. Maybe
I'll put together some hacked-together timeline solution and see if that
helps at all...

CB, when this is all over, your piano and my drummer can jam.

--T





On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 10:13 AM, Olivier Besson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> a colleague of mine noticed the same problem with attached sounds in as3.
> He had to start music loops simultaneously and it turn out impossible by
> actionscript alone, because of a random lag.
>
> The only solution he found was to launch the sounds in the same keyframe in
> the timeline.
> Perhaps a timeline-based solution of your problem is possible: for example
> using the keys to controls movieClips with different labels (each label
> having one sound), and using updateAfterEvent as advised previsously. Or,
> one clip per sound.
> If it solves your problem, you can still control the volume of an
> IDE-specfied sound by using the soundChannel property of movieClips.
>
>  Olivier
>
>
> jonathan howe a écrit :
>
>  That part was actually confusticate's and I do believe that he was
>> implying
>> that the sounds had load() called prior to the KeyboardEvent, and the
>> latency happens on the 100th keystroke as well as the first.
>>
>> By way of comparison, I had the same problem in sounds attached from the
>> library.
>>
>> I wonder if it would make a difference if new Sound objects (in AS2) or
>> SoundChannels (in AS3) were or weren't instantiated every time.
>> On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Sidney de Koning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi Jonathan,
>>>
>>> You say: The sounds are MP3s which are load()ed into Sound objects on
>>> init().
>>> Does this mean you preload the sounds? If so;  If you press a key before
>>> the whole sound is loaded in it takes some time to play it, because it is
>>> still loading. You can make sure of this by showing the application AFTER
>>> all the sounds are loaded in, this can be done by creating a loader que
>>> (place items in an array after they are loaded and check if the total
>>> amount
>>> of items loaded in is equal to the array length).
>>> This way you always know that nothing shows up before all the sounds are
>>> loaded.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps you,
>>>
>>> Sid
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 8, 2008, at 4:31 PM, jonathan howe wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm very interested in the solution to this. I notice it on certain
>>>
>>>
 machines
 and not others... it does not seem to have anything to do with the input
 part, and in some cases can stutter the display updating. For example,
 if
 you were to have a timer trigger the sound and print something at the
 screen, they would both 'appear' at the same time but if you also
 measured
 the time difference between the trigger's execution and after the sound
 call, there would be latency.

 The superstitious/uneducated part of me supposes that Flash is
 establishing
 a modal call to the sound card, and some perform cards respond faster
 than
 others.
 -jonathan


 On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 2:37 PM, allandt bik-elliott (thefieldcomic.com)
 <
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 did you use updateAfterEvent() to force it to play immediately? if not,
 it


> might be waiting for the next frame to process the event
>
> On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 12:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi List,
>
>
>> I'm dipping my toe into AS3 and thought I'd play around with sound by
>> making
>> a little "piano keyboard" which is played by pressing keys on the
>>
>>
>>
> computer
>
>
>
>> keyboard.
>>
>> It works - the appropriate sounds play on KeyboardEvent.KEY_DOWN -
>>
>>
>>
> however,
>
>
>
>> I've noticed that there is often a lag between the keyboard event and
>> the
>> actual sound playing. The occurrence of the lag seems pretty random.
>>
>> The sounds are MP3s which are load()ed into Sound objects on init().
>> On
>> KeyboardEvent.KEY_DOWN, the appropriate Sound is play()ed.
>>
>> I've checked all the MP3s, and they don't have extra silence at the
>> beginning. I don't think it has to do with the number of MP3s

[Flashcoders] NetStream Leaving it open

[Helmut Granda]

I am trying to find some documentation about the dangers of leaving the
Netstream open for long periods of time. Long story short I have a player
that the user might leave open for hours end. Does leaving the Netstream
open for long periods of time will consume a lot of memory?

The reason why I am not closing the stream when the video is done playing is
because there is some functionality that needs to continue live through the
player after the video is done playing.

If it is going to be resource intensive leaving the stream open then I might
have to settle for editing the functionality

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Re: [Flashcoders] Audio lag on KeyboardEvent.KEY_DOWN

[Olivier Besson]

Hi,
a colleague of mine noticed the same problem with attached sounds in as3.
He had to start music loops simultaneously and it turn out impossible by 
actionscript alone, because of a random lag.


The only solution he found was to launch the sounds in the same keyframe 
in the timeline.
Perhaps a timeline-based solution of your problem is possible: for 
example using the keys to controls movieClips with different labels 
(each label having one sound), and using updateAfterEvent as advised 
previsously. Or, one clip per sound.
If it solves your problem, you can still control the volume of an 
IDE-specfied sound by using the soundChannel property of movieClips.


  Olivier


jonathan howe a écrit :

That part was actually confusticate's and I do believe that he was implying
that the sounds had load() called prior to the KeyboardEvent, and the
latency happens on the 100th keystroke as well as the first.

By way of comparison, I had the same problem in sounds attached from the
library.

I wonder if it would make a difference if new Sound objects (in AS2) or
SoundChannels (in AS3) were or weren't instantiated every time.
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Sidney de Koning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

  

Hi Jonathan,

You say: The sounds are MP3s which are load()ed into Sound objects on
init().
Does this mean you preload the sounds? If so;  If you press a key before
the whole sound is loaded in it takes some time to play it, because it is
still loading. You can make sure of this by showing the application AFTER
all the sounds are loaded in, this can be done by creating a loader que
(place items in an array after they are loaded and check if the total amount
of items loaded in is equal to the array length).
This way you always know that nothing shows up before all the sounds are
loaded.

Hope this helps you,

Sid


On Dec 8, 2008, at 4:31 PM, jonathan howe wrote:

I'm very interested in the solution to this. I notice it on certain


machines
and not others... it does not seem to have anything to do with the input
part, and in some cases can stutter the display updating. For example, if
you were to have a timer trigger the sound and print something at the
screen, they would both 'appear' at the same time but if you also measured
the time difference between the trigger's execution and after the sound
call, there would be latency.

The superstitious/uneducated part of me supposes that Flash is
establishing
a modal call to the sound card, and some perform cards respond faster than
others.
-jonathan


On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 2:37 PM, allandt bik-elliott (thefieldcomic.com) <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

did you use updateAfterEvent() to force it to play immediately? if not, it
  

might be waiting for the next frame to process the event

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 12:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi List,


I'm dipping my toe into AS3 and thought I'd play around with sound by
making
a little "piano keyboard" which is played by pressing keys on the

  

computer



keyboard.

It works - the appropriate sounds play on KeyboardEvent.KEY_DOWN -

  

however,



I've noticed that there is often a lag between the keyboard event and
the
actual sound playing. The occurrence of the lag seems pretty random.

The sounds are MP3s which are load()ed into Sound objects on init(). On
KeyboardEvent.KEY_DOWN, the appropriate Sound is play()ed.

I've checked all the MP3s, and they don't have extra silence at the
beginning. I don't think it has to do with the number of MP3s involved
(14),
because I noticed the lag even when I was testing it out with 2 sounds.

Has anyone dealt with this before, and know what the problem might be?

  

You



can see (or rather, hear) the lag for yourself here:
http://snipurl.com/7ndr2-meep

Thanks!

In hope,
CB.
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Re: [Flashcoders] Soma Protest

[Joel Stransky]

This looks very cool Romuald,
I'm taking a shot at my first Gaia project atm but if it falls down I'll
have to give SOMA a try. Thanks for sharing.

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Kevin Mcfarland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Living near San Francisco, at first glance I thought this thread was going
> to be about a protest in the South-of-Market ("SOMA") neighborhood. I began
> to visualize angry FlashCoders taking to the streets, demanding (a better
> IDE?) (a return to some AS2 "features"?)
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Re: [Flashcoders] My rights - site not paid for.

[Weyert de Boer]

Uh, I thought they dropped the requirement of Terms and Conditions to be 
registered by a notary? You still need to issue T&C to the client like 
when sending the quote. If you haven't given the T&C to the client it 
won't apply. For example, if you just put them on your website won't be 
good enough. Better to print in on the back of the quote and refer to it 
in your quote.

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re: [Flashcoders] Soma Protest

[Kevin Mcfarland]

Living near San Francisco, at first glance I thought this thread was  
going to be about a protest in the South-of-Market ("SOMA")  
neighborhood. I began to visualize angry FlashCoders taking to the  
streets, demanding (a better IDE?) (a return to some AS2 "features"?)

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Re: [Flashcoders] My rights - site not paid for.

[Joel Stransky]

Sounds like you have pretty good advice so far. I would consider changing
the ftp password but I don't know how lawful that is if its the clients
hosting account.

To prevent situations like these I require a down payment to even start and
incremental payments as milestones are met. This allows either party to quit
early without defaulting on the contract.

Further, I host all of my clients sites free for 3 months. It's a nice
gesture up front plus the site technically remains my property.

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 6:50 AM, Piers Cowburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I've been in this situation before and done the same as Paul, it ended up
> going to a small claims court and the client didn't even turn up for the
> hearing. I got paid and the costs were covered by the client.
>
> Piers
>
>
>
> On 8 Dec 2008, at 11:38, Paul Steven wrote:
>
>  Hi Stephen
>>
>> I had a similar situation about a year ago and in this case I had no
>> contract but just emails from the client agreeing on the cost for the
>> work.
>>
>> Anyway I simply made a claim via
>> https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/csmco2/index.jsp and I won my case. It was
>> really simple and will cost you nothing as you get all your costs paid for
>> by the customer if you win.
>>
>> I would be reluctant to take the site down as doing so will then mean the
>> customer has nothing to pay for. By leaving the site up and running, you
>> have fulfilled your obligations.
>>
>> Anyway good luck!!
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen
>> Matthews
>> Sent: 08 December 2008 11:03
>> To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
>> Subject: [Flashcoders] My rights - site not paid for.
>>
>> What are my rights ( in the UK ) for taking down a site which has not
>> been paid for?
>>
>> The owner of the company is happy with his site, but is not coughing up.
>>
>> I still have FTP access.
>>
>> He says the site took too long, and makes lots of excuses for not
>> paying - which do not tally.
>> He changed the site drastically at least three times - I think it took
>> too long too, due to this.
>> He is updating the news section and other sections whenever he has new
>> material.
>>
>> I would be interested in your thoughts.
>>
>> This person won an award for being a top business man this year - is
>> this what you have to do to be a top business man - screw people?
>>
>> I am not the kind of person to take this action really, but I may
>> consider it.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> S
>>
>>
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Re: [Flashcoders] Audio lag on KeyboardEvent.KEY_DOWN

[jonathan howe]

That part was actually confusticate's and I do believe that he was implying
that the sounds had load() called prior to the KeyboardEvent, and the
latency happens on the 100th keystroke as well as the first.

By way of comparison, I had the same problem in sounds attached from the
library.

I wonder if it would make a difference if new Sound objects (in AS2) or
SoundChannels (in AS3) were or weren't instantiated every time.
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Sidney de Koning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Hi Jonathan,
>
> You say: The sounds are MP3s which are load()ed into Sound objects on
> init().
> Does this mean you preload the sounds? If so;  If you press a key before
> the whole sound is loaded in it takes some time to play it, because it is
> still loading. You can make sure of this by showing the application AFTER
> all the sounds are loaded in, this can be done by creating a loader que
> (place items in an array after they are loaded and check if the total amount
> of items loaded in is equal to the array length).
> This way you always know that nothing shows up before all the sounds are
> loaded.
>
> Hope this helps you,
>
> Sid
>
>
> On Dec 8, 2008, at 4:31 PM, jonathan howe wrote:
>
> I'm very interested in the solution to this. I notice it on certain
>> machines
>> and not others... it does not seem to have anything to do with the input
>> part, and in some cases can stutter the display updating. For example, if
>> you were to have a timer trigger the sound and print something at the
>> screen, they would both 'appear' at the same time but if you also measured
>> the time difference between the trigger's execution and after the sound
>> call, there would be latency.
>>
>> The superstitious/uneducated part of me supposes that Flash is
>> establishing
>> a modal call to the sound card, and some perform cards respond faster than
>> others.
>> -jonathan
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 2:37 PM, allandt bik-elliott (thefieldcomic.com) <
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> did you use updateAfterEvent() to force it to play immediately? if not, it
>>> might be waiting for the next frame to process the event
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 12:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi List,

 I'm dipping my toe into AS3 and thought I'd play around with sound by
 making
 a little "piano keyboard" which is played by pressing keys on the

>>> computer
>>>
 keyboard.

 It works - the appropriate sounds play on KeyboardEvent.KEY_DOWN -

>>> however,
>>>
 I've noticed that there is often a lag between the keyboard event and
 the
 actual sound playing. The occurrence of the lag seems pretty random.

 The sounds are MP3s which are load()ed into Sound objects on init(). On
 KeyboardEvent.KEY_DOWN, the appropriate Sound is play()ed.

 I've checked all the MP3s, and they don't have extra silence at the
 beginning. I don't think it has to do with the number of MP3s involved
 (14),
 because I noticed the lag even when I was testing it out with 2 sounds.

 Has anyone dealt with this before, and know what the problem might be?

>>> You
>>>
 can see (or rather, hear) the lag for yourself here:
 http://snipurl.com/7ndr2-meep

 Thanks!

 In hope,
 CB.
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Re: [Flashcoders] Audio lag on KeyboardEvent.KEY_DOWN

[Sidney de Koning]

Hi Jonathan,

You say: The sounds are MP3s which are load()ed into Sound objects on  
init().
Does this mean you preload the sounds? If so;  If you press a key  
before the whole sound is loaded in it takes some time to play it,  
because it is still loading. You can make sure of this by showing the  
application AFTER all the sounds are loaded in, this can be done by  
creating a loader que (place items in an array after they are loaded  
and check if the total amount of items loaded in is equal to the array  
length).
This way you always know that nothing shows up before all the sounds  
are loaded.


Hope this helps you,

Sid

On Dec 8, 2008, at 4:31 PM, jonathan howe wrote:

I'm very interested in the solution to this. I notice it on certain  
machines
and not others... it does not seem to have anything to do with the  
input
part, and in some cases can stutter the display updating. For  
example, if

you were to have a timer trigger the sound and print something at the
screen, they would both 'appear' at the same time but if you also  
measured
the time difference between the trigger's execution and after the  
sound

call, there would be latency.

The superstitious/uneducated part of me supposes that Flash is  
establishing
a modal call to the sound card, and some perform cards respond  
faster than

others.
-jonathan


On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 2:37 PM, allandt bik-elliott  
(thefieldcomic.com) <

[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

did you use updateAfterEvent() to force it to play immediately? if  
not, it

might be waiting for the next frame to process the event

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 12:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi List,

I'm dipping my toe into AS3 and thought I'd play around with sound  
by

making
a little "piano keyboard" which is played by pressing keys on the

computer

keyboard.

It works - the appropriate sounds play on KeyboardEvent.KEY_DOWN -

however,
I've noticed that there is often a lag between the keyboard event  
and the

actual sound playing. The occurrence of the lag seems pretty random.

The sounds are MP3s which are load()ed into Sound objects on  
init(). On

KeyboardEvent.KEY_DOWN, the appropriate Sound is play()ed.

I've checked all the MP3s, and they don't have extra silence at the
beginning. I don't think it has to do with the number of MP3s  
involved

(14),
because I noticed the lag even when I was testing it out with 2  
sounds.


Has anyone dealt with this before, and know what the problem might  
be?

You

can see (or rather, hear) the lag for yourself here:
http://snipurl.com/7ndr2-meep

Thanks!

In hope,
CB.
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Re: [Flashcoders] Audio lag on KeyboardEvent.KEY_DOWN

[jonathan howe]

I'm very interested in the solution to this. I notice it on certain machines
and not others... it does not seem to have anything to do with the input
part, and in some cases can stutter the display updating. For example, if
you were to have a timer trigger the sound and print something at the
screen, they would both 'appear' at the same time but if you also measured
the time difference between the trigger's execution and after the sound
call, there would be latency.

The superstitious/uneducated part of me supposes that Flash is establishing
a modal call to the sound card, and some perform cards respond faster than
others.
-jonathan


On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 2:37 PM, allandt bik-elliott (thefieldcomic.com) <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> did you use updateAfterEvent() to force it to play immediately? if not, it
> might be waiting for the next frame to process the event
>
> On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 12:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Hi List,
> >
> > I'm dipping my toe into AS3 and thought I'd play around with sound by
> > making
> > a little "piano keyboard" which is played by pressing keys on the
> computer
> > keyboard.
> >
> > It works - the appropriate sounds play on KeyboardEvent.KEY_DOWN -
> however,
> > I've noticed that there is often a lag between the keyboard event and the
> > actual sound playing. The occurrence of the lag seems pretty random.
> >
> > The sounds are MP3s which are load()ed into Sound objects on init(). On
> > KeyboardEvent.KEY_DOWN, the appropriate Sound is play()ed.
> >
> > I've checked all the MP3s, and they don't have extra silence at the
> > beginning. I don't think it has to do with the number of MP3s involved
> > (14),
> > because I noticed the lag even when I was testing it out with 2 sounds.
> >
> > Has anyone dealt with this before, and know what the problem might be?
> You
> > can see (or rather, hear) the lag for yourself here:
> > http://snipurl.com/7ndr2-meep
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > In hope,
> > CB.
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Re: [Flashcoders] Audio lag on KeyboardEvent.KEY_DOWN

[allandt bik-elliott (thefieldcomic.com)]

did you use updateAfterEvent() to force it to play immediately? if not, it
might be waiting for the next frame to process the event

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 12:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi List,
>
> I'm dipping my toe into AS3 and thought I'd play around with sound by
> making
> a little "piano keyboard" which is played by pressing keys on the computer
> keyboard.
>
> It works - the appropriate sounds play on KeyboardEvent.KEY_DOWN - however,
> I've noticed that there is often a lag between the keyboard event and the
> actual sound playing. The occurrence of the lag seems pretty random.
>
> The sounds are MP3s which are load()ed into Sound objects on init(). On
> KeyboardEvent.KEY_DOWN, the appropriate Sound is play()ed.
>
> I've checked all the MP3s, and they don't have extra silence at the
> beginning. I don't think it has to do with the number of MP3s involved
> (14),
> because I noticed the lag even when I was testing it out with 2 sounds.
>
> Has anyone dealt with this before, and know what the problem might be? You
> can see (or rather, hear) the lag for yourself here:
> http://snipurl.com/7ndr2-meep
>
> Thanks!
>
> In hope,
> CB.
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Re: [Flashcoders] Soma Protest

[allandt bik-elliott (thefieldcomic.com)]

looks nice - thanks for the heads up

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Romuald Quantin <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Not spam intended and just to try to help the community. I've built a
> site-demo for the framework Soma, please have a look:
>
> http://www.soundstep.com/blog/2008/12/08/soma-protest/
> http://www.soundstep.com/somaprotest/
>
> Thanks
>
> Romu
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[Flashcoders] Soma Protest

[Romuald Quantin]

Hi everyone,

Not spam intended and just to try to help the community. I've built a
site-demo for the framework Soma, please have a look:

http://www.soundstep.com/blog/2008/12/08/soma-protest/
http://www.soundstep.com/somaprotest/

Thanks

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[Flashcoders] Audio lag on KeyboardEvent.KEY_DOWN

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Hi List,

I'm dipping my toe into AS3 and thought I'd play around with sound by making
a little "piano keyboard" which is played by pressing keys on the computer
keyboard.

It works - the appropriate sounds play on KeyboardEvent.KEY_DOWN - however,
I've noticed that there is often a lag between the keyboard event and the
actual sound playing. The occurrence of the lag seems pretty random.

The sounds are MP3s which are load()ed into Sound objects on init(). On
KeyboardEvent.KEY_DOWN, the appropriate Sound is play()ed.

I've checked all the MP3s, and they don't have extra silence at the
beginning. I don't think it has to do with the number of MP3s involved (14),
because I noticed the lag even when I was testing it out with 2 sounds.

Has anyone dealt with this before, and know what the problem might be? You
can see (or rather, hear) the lag for yourself here:
http://snipurl.com/7ndr2-meep

Thanks!

In hope,
CB.
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[Flashcoders] Flash IDE workflow with SWC

[jonathan howe]

Hallo,

In Flash CS3 or CS4, does anyone know how to control the target location of
a .swc independant of the .swf location?

Usually in Flash Publish Settings I target a directory different than that
of my source files that I call "deploy".
So, typically I would use "../deploy/swfname.swf" This keeps the source and
deploy files separate.

Now, in my new project, I need to use some classes as swc files during
compliation but the .swf during runtime, so the .swc needs to be in the
source directory but the .swf I want in the deploy... anyone have an idea?

-jonathan


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Re: [Flashcoders] "hover" event for links in HTML textfields - possible?

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Thanks for the answers, all. Unfortunately I've only just gotten my hands on
CS3, hence the late reply.

>From a little bit of mucking about, it seems possible to use a combination
of "a:hover" in CSS, asfunction, and the
TextField.getCharIndexAtPoint(x:Number, y:Number) function to get close to
the desired effect. It looks like a:hover and
TextField.getCharIndexAtPoint() don't interfere with each other in any way.

I'm working on a function now to somehow correlate the a:hovers and the
TextField.getCharIndexAtPoint()s. This whole process seems a little on the
clunky side, but really, this TextField.getCharIndexAtPoint() thing is the
bee's knees.

@Michael William Ypes: Thanks for the link to TextMetrics. It looks like a
really useful class. Unfortunately, I am not certain how to apply it to this
current problem (where I get a single character's index, then try to work
out whether it's enclosed in  tags in the greater scheme of things) but
can think of about a hundred other uses for it.

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Re: [Flashcoders] My rights - site not paid for.

[Piers Cowburn]

I've been in this situation before and done the same as Paul, it ended  
up going to a small claims court and the client didn't even turn up  
for the hearing. I got paid and the costs were covered by the client.


Piers


On 8 Dec 2008, at 11:38, Paul Steven wrote:


Hi Stephen

I had a similar situation about a year ago and in this case I had no
contract but just emails from the client agreeing on the cost for  
the work.


Anyway I simply made a claim via
https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/csmco2/index.jsp and I won my case. It  
was
really simple and will cost you nothing as you get all your costs  
paid for

by the customer if you win.

I would be reluctant to take the site down as doing so will then  
mean the
customer has nothing to pay for. By leaving the site up and running,  
you

have fulfilled your obligations.

Anyway good luck!!

Paul




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of  
Stephen

Matthews
Sent: 08 December 2008 11:03
To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
Subject: [Flashcoders] My rights - site not paid for.

What are my rights ( in the UK ) for taking down a site which has not
been paid for?

The owner of the company is happy with his site, but is not coughing  
up.


I still have FTP access.

He says the site took too long, and makes lots of excuses for not
paying - which do not tally.
He changed the site drastically at least three times - I think it took
too long too, due to this.
He is updating the news section and other sections whenever he has new
material.

I would be interested in your thoughts.

This person won an award for being a top business man this year - is
this what you have to do to be a top business man - screw people?

I am not the kind of person to take this action really, but I may
consider it.

Thanks

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RE: [Flashcoders] My rights - site not paid for.

[Paul Steven]

Hi Stephen

I had a similar situation about a year ago and in this case I had no
contract but just emails from the client agreeing on the cost for the work.

Anyway I simply made a claim via
https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/csmco2/index.jsp and I won my case. It was
really simple and will cost you nothing as you get all your costs paid for
by the customer if you win.

I would be reluctant to take the site down as doing so will then mean the
customer has nothing to pay for. By leaving the site up and running, you
have fulfilled your obligations.

Anyway good luck!!

Paul




-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen
Matthews
Sent: 08 December 2008 11:03
To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
Subject: [Flashcoders] My rights - site not paid for.

What are my rights ( in the UK ) for taking down a site which has not  
been paid for?

The owner of the company is happy with his site, but is not coughing up.

I still have FTP access.

He says the site took too long, and makes lots of excuses for not  
paying - which do not tally.
He changed the site drastically at least three times - I think it took  
too long too, due to this.
He is updating the news section and other sections whenever he has new  
material.

I would be interested in your thoughts.

This person won an award for being a top business man this year - is  
this what you have to do to be a top business man - screw people?

I am not the kind of person to take this action really, but I may  
consider it.

Thanks

S



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Re: [Flashcoders] My rights - site not paid for.

[allandt bik-elliott (thefieldcomic.com)]

if the site hasn't been paid for, don't you still officially own the site
files?

i would put a message across the bottom of the site saying "This site has
not yet been paid for. To settle the invoice and remove this message please
contact me at emailaddress" or something similar where you get advertising
and he gets bad publicity. The site is live so you've fulfilled any
contractual obligation but he gets bad press the more he uses the site.

alz



On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 11:24 AM, poste9 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> give ftp information to some brazilian where there isnt internet's law.
> its an option too.
>
> 2008/12/8 Eamonn Faherty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > This is a grey area.  Did you draw up a contract when you started the
> > job?  Deleting the live site could be deemed as an infringement of the
> > computer misuse act.
> >
> > Do the easiest thing, sell the debt to a debt management agency and move
> > on to another job.
> >
> > I bet the money you will lose doing this will be far less than the
> > amount you can make on another job in the time it takes to chase this
> > up!
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen
> > Matthews
> > Sent: 08 December 2008 11:03
> > To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
> > Subject: [Flashcoders] My rights - site not paid for.
> >
> > What are my rights ( in the UK ) for taking down a site which has not
> > been paid for?
> >
> > The owner of the company is happy with his site, but is not coughing up.
> >
> > I still have FTP access.
> >
> > He says the site took too long, and makes lots of excuses for not
> > paying - which do not tally.
> > He changed the site drastically at least three times - I think it took
> > too long too, due to this.
> > He is updating the news section and other sections whenever he has new
> > material.
> >
> > I would be interested in your thoughts.
> >
> > This person won an award for being a top business man this year - is
> > this what you have to do to be a top business man - screw people?
> >
> > I am not the kind of person to take this action really, but I may
> > consider it.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > S
> >
> >
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Re: [Flashcoders] My rights - site not paid for.

[allandt bik-elliott (thefieldcomic.com)]

i wouldn't tip your hand about the ftp details - it would be very cheap for
him to pay someone to change them

a

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Sidney de Koning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Hi Stephen,
>
> Here in Holland we have something called 'terms and conditions' for
> freelancers, which you have to make legal with an notary.
> This is a document which basically protects you from this kind of stuff,
> and this document can be taken to court if it ever comes to this.
>
> If you don't have this, it is a good thing to have, you probably have the
> same thing in the UK, and its well worth the money. (converted it costs
> about 300 pounds)
>
> If you made a contract with this person, and you both singed it, by law he
> is bound by it. (And legal steps can be under taken when broken).
> If you don't have a contract, your basically fucked. Plain and simple. Even
> though a verbal agreement is also legal binding it is very hard to prove.
>
> first thing you can do is send another invoice after about 4 weeks, if he
> doesn't respond to it, call him and say you will place and 'under
> construction' banner on the site, and that you will change the ftp password
> ( but dont do this just jet), if he still doesn't respond use an agency to
> collect the outstanding invoice (don't know what they are called in engish)
> if he still doesn't respond, place that 'underconstruction  banner' online.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Good luck with it!
>
> Sid
>
>
>
> On Dec 8, 2008, at 12:02 PM, Stephen Matthews wrote:
>
>  What are my rights ( in the UK ) for taking down a site which has not been
>> paid for?
>>
>> The owner of the company is happy with his site, but is not coughing up.
>>
>> I still have FTP access.
>>
>> He says the site took too long, and makes lots of excuses for not paying -
>> which do not tally.
>> He changed the site drastically at least three times - I think it took too
>> long too, due to this.
>> He is updating the news section and other sections whenever he has new
>> material.
>>
>> I would be interested in your thoughts.
>>
>> This person won an award for being a top business man this year - is this
>> what you have to do to be a top business man - screw people?
>>
>> I am not the kind of person to take this action really, but I may consider
>> it.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> S
>>
>>
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Re: [Flashcoders] My rights - site not paid for.

[Sidney de Koning]

Hi Stephen,

Here in Holland we have something called 'terms and conditions' for  
freelancers, which you have to make legal with an notary.
This is a document which basically protects you from this kind of  
stuff, and this document can be taken to court if it ever comes to this.


If you don't have this, it is a good thing to have, you probably have  
the same thing in the UK, and its well worth the money. (converted it  
costs about 300 pounds)


If you made a contract with this person, and you both singed it, by  
law he is bound by it. (And legal steps can be under taken when broken).
If you don't have a contract, your basically fucked. Plain and simple.  
Even though a verbal agreement is also legal binding it is very hard  
to prove.


first thing you can do is send another invoice after about 4 weeks, if  
he doesn't respond to it, call him and say you will place and 'under  
construction' banner on the site, and that you will change the ftp  
password ( but dont do this just jet), if he still doesn't respond use  
an agency to collect the outstanding invoice (don't know what they are  
called in engish) if he still doesn't respond, place that  
'underconstruction  banner' online.


Hope this helps,

Good luck with it!

Sid


On Dec 8, 2008, at 12:02 PM, Stephen Matthews wrote:

What are my rights ( in the UK ) for taking down a site which has  
not been paid for?


The owner of the company is happy with his site, but is not coughing  
up.


I still have FTP access.

He says the site took too long, and makes lots of excuses for not  
paying - which do not tally.
He changed the site drastically at least three times - I think it  
took too long too, due to this.
He is updating the news section and other sections whenever he has  
new material.


I would be interested in your thoughts.

This person won an award for being a top business man this year - is  
this what you have to do to be a top business man - screw people?


I am not the kind of person to take this action really, but I may  
consider it.


Thanks

S



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Re: [Flashcoders] My rights - site not paid for.

[poste9]

give ftp information to some brazilian where there isnt internet's law.
its an option too.

2008/12/8 Eamonn Faherty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> This is a grey area.  Did you draw up a contract when you started the
> job?  Deleting the live site could be deemed as an infringement of the
> computer misuse act.
>
> Do the easiest thing, sell the debt to a debt management agency and move
> on to another job.
>
> I bet the money you will lose doing this will be far less than the
> amount you can make on another job in the time it takes to chase this
> up!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen
> Matthews
> Sent: 08 December 2008 11:03
> To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
> Subject: [Flashcoders] My rights - site not paid for.
>
> What are my rights ( in the UK ) for taking down a site which has not
> been paid for?
>
> The owner of the company is happy with his site, but is not coughing up.
>
> I still have FTP access.
>
> He says the site took too long, and makes lots of excuses for not
> paying - which do not tally.
> He changed the site drastically at least three times - I think it took
> too long too, due to this.
> He is updating the news section and other sections whenever he has new
> material.
>
> I would be interested in your thoughts.
>
> This person won an award for being a top business man this year - is
> this what you have to do to be a top business man - screw people?
>
> I am not the kind of person to take this action really, but I may
> consider it.
>
> Thanks
>
> S
>
>
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RE: [Flashcoders] My rights - site not paid for.

[Eamonn Faherty]

This is a grey area.  Did you draw up a contract when you started the
job?  Deleting the live site could be deemed as an infringement of the
computer misuse act.

Do the easiest thing, sell the debt to a debt management agency and move
on to another job.

I bet the money you will lose doing this will be far less than the
amount you can make on another job in the time it takes to chase this
up!

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen
Matthews
Sent: 08 December 2008 11:03
To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
Subject: [Flashcoders] My rights - site not paid for.

What are my rights ( in the UK ) for taking down a site which has not  
been paid for?

The owner of the company is happy with his site, but is not coughing up.

I still have FTP access.

He says the site took too long, and makes lots of excuses for not  
paying - which do not tally.
He changed the site drastically at least three times - I think it took  
too long too, due to this.
He is updating the news section and other sections whenever he has new  
material.

I would be interested in your thoughts.

This person won an award for being a top business man this year - is  
this what you have to do to be a top business man - screw people?

I am not the kind of person to take this action really, but I may  
consider it.

Thanks

S



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[Flashcoders] My rights - site not paid for.

[Stephen Matthews]

What are my rights ( in the UK ) for taking down a site which has not  
been paid for?


The owner of the company is happy with his site, but is not coughing up.

I still have FTP access.

He says the site took too long, and makes lots of excuses for not  
paying - which do not tally.
He changed the site drastically at least three times - I think it took  
too long too, due to this.
He is updating the news section and other sections whenever he has new  
material.


I would be interested in your thoughts.

This person won an award for being a top business man this year - is  
this what you have to do to be a top business man - screw people?


I am not the kind of person to take this action really, but I may  
consider it.


Thanks

S



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Re: [Flashcoders] Flash Remoting with ...

[poste9]

http://framework.zend.com/download/amf

http://extensions.joomla.org/component/option,com_mtree/task,viewlink/link_id,4820/Itemid,35/

http://drupal.org/project/amfphp

2008/12/8 SJF <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Ahoy hoy,
>
> In regards to developing *Flash sites/apps* that hook into a back end using
> *AMFPHP* protocol, can anyone shed some light on the following questions:
>
> 1) Do the following three frameworks/platforms sit in the same boat (i.e:
> do
> they do they provide the same functionality in regards to developing
> database driven web apps): Zend ,
> Joomlaand
> Drupal 
> 2) Does anyone recommend any one of these for non-proprietary, database
> driven Flash sites/apps (I'm currently using WampServer 2 and am curious if
> any of the above 3 make development easier, or are they just wrappers
> around
> something similar to WampServer).
>
> Thanks.
> SF.
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[Flashcoders] Flash Remoting with ...

[SJF]

Ahoy hoy,

In regards to developing *Flash sites/apps* that hook into a back end using
*AMFPHP* protocol, can anyone shed some light on the following questions:

1) Do the following three frameworks/platforms sit in the same boat (i.e: do
they do they provide the same functionality in regards to developing
database driven web apps): Zend ,
Joomlaand
Drupal 
2) Does anyone recommend any one of these for non-proprietary, database
driven Flash sites/apps (I'm currently using WampServer 2 and am curious if
any of the above 3 make development easier, or are they just wrappers around
something similar to WampServer).

Thanks.
SF.
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[Flashcoders] FP9 vs FP10 behavior differences

[jonathan howe]

Last week I went to launch a project that had been published for FP9, tested
mostly in FP9, and then when we tested in FP10, we noticed a tragic
difference...
I was using the old "uncheck 'Export in First Frame' and put everything on
a single keyframe on Frame 2" method of preloading. In FP9, it worked fine,
but in FP10, I could hear all the movie clips that had sound looping
endlessly, even though the movie stopped on frame 1 and skipped over frame 2
after loading. So, I am confused as to why these clips on the timeline were
ever instantiated when the frame they existed on was never truly reached.

We ended up just using a parent swf to load the main movie and go back to
everything "Export in first frame" which is arguably more elegant anyway,
but I'm a little shaken by the last-minute discovery. Does anyone have a
recommendation as to how to avoid this? Is there a more modern way to Export
classes from the Library and keep them off the first frame so that accurate
load progress can be displayed?  (keeping the non-Flex, Flash IDE workflow
in mind, please).

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Re: [Flashcoders] What design pattern would this be?

[John McCormack]

I would also like to use patterns more than I do. It looks as thought 
the observer pattern might be the one in this case...


As your objects appear and disappear from your program they can register 
themselves.
They pass a function to call when an update happens and this is added to 
the list.
The list of observers' function are called to update them of the mouse 
position.


John

Joel Stransky wrote:

I'm trying to make design patterns a regular part of my process but
understanding them and knowing which one to use are proving to be a quite
different.
I'm working on a couple of classes. One class's job is to iterate over a
list of display objects and modify their scale and location based on mouse
position.
I want this class to be able to work with a runtime generated OR an
authortime generated display list.
I figure it's as easy as instantiating either a RuntimeChildren or
AuthortimeChildren class and passing it to the constructor of my
DisplayListUtility class.
Since it's so simple, does it even qualify as a design pattern and if so
which one?

  


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RE: [Flashcoders] What design pattern would this be?

[Eamonn Faherty]

It might be a little light but check out the reactor pattern.  It is
very useful when desiring polymorphic behaviors.

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Subject: [Flashcoders] What design pattern would this be?

I'm trying to make design patterns a regular part of my process but
understanding them and knowing which one to use are proving to be a
quite
different.
I'm working on a couple of classes. One class's job is to iterate over a
list of display objects and modify their scale and location based on
mouse
position.
I want this class to be able to work with a runtime generated OR an
authortime generated display list.
I figure it's as easy as instantiating either a RuntimeChildren or
AuthortimeChildren class and passing it to the constructor of my
DisplayListUtility class.
Since it's so simple, does it even qualify as a design pattern and if so
which one?

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Re: [Flashcoders] What design pattern would this be?

[Jiri Heitlager]

I also still find it sometimes hard when to decide what pattern to use 
and mostly _if_ I should use a pattern. It helps me a lot to really 
think about what the responsibility is of a class and then when I notice 
it has more then one, then that is an inidicator I need to refine more. 
Sometimes refining means that I _can_ use a pattern, it doesnt always 
mean that I should use one.

I think these are those things that take a long time of experience.

Good luck.

Jiri

Joel Stransky wrote:

Thanks Jiri,
I had not seen that site. I had assumed the book covered all of the patterns
I was going to need but in hindsight that was silly. The visitor pattern
seems very similar to adapter however. I guess I've got a lot of learning to
do. I appreciate the notion of not over engineering but until I understand
them fluently I intend to implement patterns where possible no matter how
trite.

On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 5:26 AM, Jiri Heitlager <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

wrote:



Maybe this one:

http://www.as3dp.com/2008/12/06/actionscript-30-visitor-design-pattern-a-tale-of-traverser-and-the-double-dispatch-kid/

or check out the articles there I am sure there is a pattern described that
will suit your needs.

I also think the previous comment on overenginering should be taking into
consideration..

Good luck,

Jiri


Joel Stransky wrote:


Thanks for your perfectly useless answer. I know if I could recognize the
need for certain patterns easily I'd be more than happy to help out rather
than chastise.It looks like it's possibly a Template pattern but I was
hoping for the same kind of insight I've been giving at flashkit for eight
years no matter how simple the question.

On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Latcho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 Are you gonna  take a map  if you have clear line of sight to your

destination ?
Shall we advise you on traffic light implementation  if you are the only
driver in the world ?
Dont' overengineer. If you want to integrate / learn a design pattern
take
a more challenging and/or interactive interface.

Latcho


Joel Stransky wrote:

 I'm trying to make design patterns a regular part of my process but

understanding them and knowing which one to use are proving to be a
quite
different.
I'm working on a couple of classes. One class's job is to iterate over a
list of display objects and modify their scale and location based on
mouse
position.
I want this class to be able to work with a runtime generated OR an
authortime generated display list.
I figure it's as easy as instantiating either a RuntimeChildren or
AuthortimeChildren class and passing it to the constructor of my
DisplayListUtility class.
Since it's so simple, does it even qualify as a design pattern and if so
which one?



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