It so reminds of the days of Director and Behaviors. There was SO much
extra bull coded into them, it was always better to roll your own. :)
As if Lingo was verbose enough… :)
Have a good day,
John
John R. Sweeney Jr.
Senior Interactive Multimedia Developer
OnDemand Interactive Inc
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I only played with Edge briefly on vacation last summer. :)
I think that fear about HTML is warranted in terms of the quality of
code you'll end up with - but the same can be said for hand written
PostScript vs. Illustrator generated PostScript.
Personally, I'll be happen when I don't have to
Have you guys given Adobe edge a try? It's like Flash MX, without easily
accessible fonts or drawing tools...
My fear is that handwriting HTML will always be cleaner and more structured
than using an IDE. Imagine building a robust web application with tons of
animation in Edge... It just seems imp
+1
On Feb 23, 2012, at 10:49 AM, Kevin Newman wrote:
There is this idea that was articulated by an old timer - an ex-bank
CEO - on Bill Moyer's show a few weeks ago, that companies and
running companies used to be about product and solving customers'
problems - great loan products if you a
Right!!
:)
**sigh**
Karl
On Feb 23, 2012, at 10:03 AM, Merrill, Jason wrote:
Karl DeSaulniers skriver:
If I had anything to say about the future of flash, it would be,
sell
it back to Macromedia if you can't fill the position.
Adobe didn't buy Flash. They bought Macromedia.
And they
Well from most of the numbers I've seen, IE6 has a higher use percentage
than IE7 - but even the global IE6 usage share numbers represent an
inflated average pulled up by users in China. In the USA IE6 usage is
already not even in the single digit percentage points anymore:
http://ie6countdown.
> I do think it'll get easier,
I sincerely HOPE, so since it takes 3 - 4 times longer now to do what I can
currently do with Flash.
> Well, you have a point - but once the basics are covered (video, audio, DOM,
> CSS3, and Canvas), and reasonably compatibly implemented between all the
> brows
True - but the new focus of Flash being a sort of a slimmer cross
platform abstraction layer also means that's what Flash is for. ;-)
Kevin N.
On 2/23/12 11:50 AM, Sidney de Koning | Funky Monkey Studio wrote:
Why don't you write a ANE for it?:) That's what they are for:)
_
Well, you have a point - but once the basics are covered (video, audio,
DOM, CSS3, and Canvas), and reasonably compatibly implemented between
all the browsers (and the old browser finally having died off), I do
think it'll get easier, because we'll spend less time patching browser
inconsistenci
Why don't you write a ANE for it? :) That's what they are for :)
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On Thursday, February 23, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Kevin Newma
There is this idea that was articulated by an old timer - an ex-bank CEO
- on Bill Moyer's show a few weeks ago, that companies and running
companies used to be about product and solving customers' problems -
great loan products if you are are a banker, or Flash and great tools if
you run Adobe
Kevin Newman wrote:
> That's the most important point IMO. You can at least technically do high
> quality Flash like work with HTML5. It can still be challenging, but it'll
> only get easier over time.
Will it get easier? I think yes and no. As with any tool, it will get
easier as we get more com
Oh! That's right, I would totally love game controller support!
I wonder if it has something to do with a lack of system APIs on certain
systems, to put an abstraction around (OSX, iOS, Android, etc.).
Kevin N.
On 2/22/12 3:50 PM, Henrik Andersson wrote:
Oh and, there is a curious lack of s
That one is useful for iOS where framescripts aren't necessarily evil -
but totally unsupported (because of Apple) in loaded swfs.
Kevin N.
On 2/22/12 3:37 PM, Henrik Andersson wrote:
* Frame label events: Because framescripts are evil (they are not)
That's the most important point IMO. You can at least technically do
high quality Flash like work with HTML5. It can still be challenging,
but it'll only get easier over time. That Nike site BTW, doesn't run
well even on the newest iMac we have in the office (less than 2 months
old), and it obl
>> Karl DeSaulniers skriver:
>> If I had anything to say about the future of flash, it would be, sell
>> it back to Macromedia if you can't fill the position.
>Adobe didn't buy Flash. They bought Macromedia.
And they bought Macromedia because Macromedia had Flash. :)
Jason Merrill
Instructi
I have pretty much given up on Flash for websites or web applications.
I have two kinds of clients: small clients who want a portfolio website or
something similar scale, and then the agency clients where my work is all
marketing work. Marketing people are o b s e s s e d with iphones / ipads
and
Essence being "Flash isn't for websites any more but still well suited to
gaming products"? Seems a reasonable strategy / direction to me..
On 22 Feb 2012, at 18:50, James Merrill wrote:
> http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplatform/whitepapers/roadmap.html
>
> A new version of AS3 will be nic
Oh! Then were doomed...
My basic point is those guys had a great idea and it shouldn't die
like this.
If flash could rise up like it did back then, I believe it could rise
again.
But maybe it is time, since what it rose above is now catching up.
Not there yet, but close second at least. (Or
Karl DeSaulniers skriver:
> Ok, then sell it/give it back to the guys who started Macromedia.
>
It seems like they already have positions in the top Adobe management.
http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/executivebios/davidwadhwani.html
http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/executivebi
Ok, then sell it/give it back to the guys who started Macromedia.
Thanks for the clarification though.
Best,
Karl
On Feb 22, 2012, at 6:29 PM, Henrik Andersson wrote:
Karl DeSaulniers skriver:
If I had anything to say about the future of flash, it would be,
sell it
back to Macromedia if y
Karl DeSaulniers skriver:
> If I had anything to say about the future of flash, it would be, sell it
> back to Macromedia if you can't fill the position.
Adobe didn't buy Flash. They bought Macromedia.
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Because they didn't start it. They just bought it.
Flash is not personal to them, it's just a number, that is loosing.
IMO
Business is business, personal is personal.
If it don't make dollars then it don't make sense!! Right!?!
If I had anything to say about the future of flash, it would be, sel
Matt S. skriver:
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Henrik Andersson
> wrote:
>> If you ask me, Adobe needs to get the animation part back on track
>> before the competition runs past them.
>>
>
> Everything Adobe is doing suggests that they think that particular horse
> has already kicked the ga
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> Subject: Re: [Fla
We are building a full screen game with a novel interface and we need the
power of Flash.
My primary concern is not seeing any mention of Alchemy's successor on the
Roadmap as we are hanging out for it's features.
On 23 February 2012 05:50, James Merrill wrote:
> http://www.adobe.com/devnet/fla
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Henrik Andersson wrote:
> If you ask me, Adobe needs to get the animation part back on track
> before the competition runs past them.
>
Everything Adobe is doing suggests that they think that particular horse
has already kicked the gate down and bolted, and that t
Henrik Andersson skriver:
> James Merrill skriver:
>> http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplatform/whitepapers/roadmap.html
>>
>> A new version of AS3 will be nice, it's just too bad no one wants Flash
>> anymore. Flash player is basically dead in the water, with its future usage
>> being hardcore gam
James Merrill skriver:
> http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplatform/whitepapers/roadmap.html
>
> A new version of AS3 will be nice, it's just too bad no one wants Flash
> anymore. Flash player is basically dead in the water, with its future usage
> being hardcore gaming. How many of you guys/gals a
Fwiw, that site is actually a Flash/HTML5 hybrid, mostly HTML5, with Flash
apparently handling the weak spots, eg video, audio etc. But yeah, even
just judging the HTML-only elements that's a beautiful site.
.m
On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 2:52 PM, James Merrill wrote:
> Another major concern of min
February 22, 2012 2:53 PM
To: Flash Coders List
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash Platform roadmap released - time to start
learning HTML 5 unless you make games.
I'm going to play devils advocate here for a second.
The whole browser compatibility aspect of HTML is diminishing, modern br
I'm going to play devils advocate here for a second.
The whole browser compatibility aspect of HTML is diminishing, modern
browsers are constantly updated without having to re-download them. In a
couple of years, it won't be a problem.
Another major concern of mine was seeing this site:
http://ww
Especially corporate America where they bulk still use IE 6 and their machines
are locked down. THANKS IT! :)
John R. Sweeney Jr.
Senior Interactive Multimedia Developer
OnDemand Interactive Inc
Hoffman Estates, IL 60169
On Feb 22, 2012, at 1:41 PM, Creighton, Gerry wrote:
> Except tha
Except that you need a certain level of browser to handle HTML5. That's
the bummer, it'll
Take some time to get more people on board.
-Gerry
On 2/22/12 2:24 PM, "James Merrill" wrote:
>" When HTML5 can do what I can do in AS3, I'll consider it. :) "
>
>What exactly are you referring to? I have
Well as an example, I'm building 50" touchscreen applications that I then can
port over to iPad and Xoom with minimal changes. eLearning apps, software
simulation and much more. But then again, I don't build websites for the most
part, I build full blown applications. I have a strong need for mo
James Merrill wrote:
> Wouldn't it be such a nice world if JS was revised with ECMAScript 4? It's
> unfortunate that it will never happen.
There was an ECMAScript 4 committee, but they disbanded 3-4 years ago.
Cordially,
Kerry Thompson
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To: Flash Coders List
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash Platform roadmap released - time to start
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Jason Merrill wrote:
> Jason Me
" When HTML5 can do what I can do in AS3, I'll consider it. :) "
What exactly are you referring to? I have very few examples of things that
Flash can do that HTML5/CSS3/JS cant do these days. At my agency Flash is
being utilized for banner ads, and that's it. Every cool, animated website
we do th
Jason Merrill wrote:
> Jason Merrill did NOT write that, that was JAMES Merrill... easy mistake :)
> just wanted to clarify...
So he did. Sorry about that.
Cordially,
Kerry Thompson
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Il 22/02/2012 20:01, John R. Sweeney Jr. ha scritto:
When HTML5 can do what I can do in AS3, I'll consider it. :)
John
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Senior Interactive Multimedia Developer
OnDemand Interactive Inc
Hoffman Estates, IL 60169
On Feb 22, 2012, a
bal Learning
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Jason Merrill wrote:
> http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplatform/whitepapers/roadmap.html
>
> A new version of AS3 will be nice, it's just too bad no one wants Flash
> anymore. Flash player is basically dead in the water, with its future usage
> being hardcore gaming. How many of you guys/gals are
When HTML5 can do what I can do in AS3, I'll consider it. :)
John
John R. Sweeney Jr.
Senior Interactive Multimedia Developer
OnDemand Interactive Inc
Hoffman Estates, IL 60169
On Feb 22, 2012, at 12:50 PM, James Merrill wrote:
> http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplatform/whitepapers/roa
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplatform/whitepapers/roadmap.html
A new version of AS3 will be nice, it's just too bad no one wants Flash
anymore. Flash player is basically dead in the water, with its future usage
being hardcore gaming. How many of you guys/gals are doing that?
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