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Re: [flexcoders] [India] Demo development

2006-05-01 Thread dos dedos




Thank you for the tip Manish.Manish Jethani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On 4/29/06, dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Looking for an India based resource to do Flex 2 demo development work.  Might help if you post to the RIA India list.  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ria-india/  Manish  __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of
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[flexcoders] [India] Demo development

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Looking for an India based resource to do Flex 2 demo development work.Reply in private to discuss!Marc
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Re: [flexcoders] Flex 2: Multi-document interface

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Thanks for the tip :) ... we're looking into itjeremy lu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:you don't have to start from scratch, everything needed is in the framework, just use buttonbar and panel, should be done in 20 minutes.jeremy.On 4/6/06,  dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Thanks Jesse! that helps! :)JesterXL 
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[flexcoders] Flex 2: Multi-document interface

2006-04-05 Thread dos dedos




Anyone knows of a Flex 2 implementation of the Windows multi-document interface?For example, you could launch SWFs in separate panels within the same browser window so that you can move, resize and close each panel separately. If one was to do implement this from scratch, how much work would be involved? in man-hours?  Thanks! :)dos
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Re: [flexcoders] Flex 2: Multi-document interface

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Thanks Jesse! that helps! :)JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not hard, I'd say about 6 hours to get a prototype  working. PopUpManager + TitleWindow 4 teh w1n!  *** Warning: High Ram Usage, save yer work  *** http://dev.jessewarden.com/captivate/flexonthedesktop/   - Original Message -  From: dos  dedos  To: flexcoders  Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 8:59 PM Subject: [flexcoders] Flex 2: Multi-document interface Anyone knows of a Flex 2 implementation of the Windows  multi-document interface?For example, you
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Re: [flexcoders] Re: FLEX and Open Lazslo Comparision

2006-03-29 Thread dos dedos

(eg. one markup generating either AJAX or Flash)As far as I'm aware, there are multimedia functions that can be done in Flex that cannot be done in Ajax. e.g. capturing audio and video streams from the user's PC, mixing audio streams, and other stuff that are not possible (yet) in _javascript_.Also, the crossdomain stuff in Flex is intriguing to say the least ... you can grab data with a distributed architecture (without having to go thru a centralized server) while at the same time neutralize potential distributed attacks and unauthorized behind-the-firewall proxying by giving control to the server owner, so Flex is not any more risky to use than AJAX but a lot more powerful in a distributed scenario.However, I think the bottom line is that Flex does not suffer from browser 'dependency' which is probably the #1 anti-productivity factor... developers develope to one standard and deploy on all platforms. Flash player has 98% market
penetration which is probably higher than AJAX (since there are many browsers including Mac OS X Safari that do not digest AJAX that well .. I tried stuff built with the Zimbra AJAX toolkit under Safari and it just wouldn't run.. the same stuff ran well under firefox and ie.. so AJAX has a compatibility problem that based on my observation [using different browsers] is larger than 2%)I really don't care for AJAX :-) and it shows in my argument ... but I tend to think that unless _javascript_ catches up with Flash in terms of functionality and unless _javascript_ standard is controlled by one central authority then Flash will always be more viable for 'most' cases.I understand AJAX is more viable for certain cases but my interest is more in very rich apps, which justifies choosing Flex over AJAX.Also, there is no binary socket in AJAX! :-) ... XML doesn't do it for custom data protocols! Yet with all these arguments in favor of Flex (from the
perspective of very rich apps) we're still having to conduct a formal analysis and put the pros and cons of Flex and AJAX in simple to understand "demos" for those 'technically clueless' folks higher up and that's because AJAX has managed to become such a strong buzzword now that knocking it down can and will get you in trouble unless you can back it up with evidence...Enough thoughts? more to come as we run through the scenarios ...Richard Rodseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I haven't used OL, but I'm surprised no one has mentioned their support for alternate runtimes (eg. one markup generating either AJAX or Flash). I would imagine that might appeal to those for whom the non-open-source nature of the Flash player is an issue, or those who have other concerns about the player dependency. Thoughts?
- Richard On 3/28/06, Bryan Rieger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks everyone! This input is fantastic. Lots to learn and think about, but I'm really glad I took the time to look at Flex 2. Sincerely, Bryan-Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Gonzalez Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 12:07 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: FLEX and Open Lazslo Comparision Does it happen to remove the unused components? What if I'm only usingone button - does Flex include all components? Flex only includes
classes found in the dependency chain from your application class (or configuration settings). When you create an application that extends mx.core.Application, you get a bunch of things that a toy application might not need, but that a real-world application probably will. A Flex app has a higher initial cost, but levels off. Flex also allows you to write your own frameworks from scratch in AS. I believe they're also working on ways to use shared runtimelibraries/frameworks so it'll be possible to include apps that don'tinclude the framework, instead reuse the libs supplied in thecontainer application - makes it easier to break your apps into
smaller, reuseable modules. Flex has this today. See the "runtime-shared-libraries" and "externs" and "external-library-path" configuration options. -rg -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKSVisit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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RE: [flexcoders] Re: Flex 2: about potential HTTPService timeout/security issues ...

2006-03-28 Thread dos dedos




I believe it boils down to actual experience and not any hypothetical reasoning, even though my reasoning appears to be correct (as far as I can tell)If actual experience has shown that the way Flash is doing it is indeed better and leads to higher market penetration for Flash compared to ActiveX then we may throw the counter argument (not matter how valid it may seem) in favor of the successful track record of the current approach, not that an outsider's argument could change anything so basic.I guess experience always trumps logic ...(self inculcation in progress)dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:That is the reverse of the common philosophy on this issue. Usually, the end user is "trusted" with the decision because the assumption is that end user is A) not stupid and B) not
 evil.Defending all servers out there against the threat of an attack by all Flash clients (irrespective of their intent) means that all Flash clients are presumed guilty unless the server owner decides that they're not, but it is the end user who is able to judge whether a given Flash client is to be trusted or not. The server owner has no way of knowing because they're not the ones downloading the Flash content, the users are.So if the server owner (e.g. Amazon.com) decides to allow Flash clients to use its API but then they get hacked from a Flash client then they are to blame. And the chance that they would get hacked by a malicious Flash client is higher than the case where the end users get to judge whether a given Flash client can be trusted to exceute or not.Not  trying to be a pain in the butt with my counter argument but I'm trying to probe the status quo to make sure that it makes sense.:)dosRoger Gonzalez
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 ...   In your example the SWF should not be allowed to connect toany server other than the server it was served from! That's bydefault.That is unless it is a SIGNED SWF where the end user may allowor deny it's request to execute with full permissions.If it works forJava and ActiveX it would work equally well for Flash ... I'minterested in understanding why the way it's done in Flash may be better...dosRoger Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: You  have the purpose
 backwards. (There's an  entirely different mechanism for what trust you want to grant to a  particular SWF.)  The point is fora server owner to prevent you  from distributing a SWF that canact as a  distributeddenial-of-service attack on a  server.  Consider the case of some web forum that lets you  upload a SWF as an image. Every person who visits the page runs that  SWF. It wou! ld thus be bad if the SWF was allowed to connect to some  site that the SWF author wanted to crash.  Dig it?
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 user's right to choose whether or not to trust a givenFlash app to do what it's suppose to do rather than to force the user toinstall crossdomain on their machine ! or force teh sys admin (in case of LAN) to install cross domain inside the LAN? How about somesecurity through democracy?How many times does the average personclick OK on a signed applet or ActiveX permission screen and end upregreting it?dosTed Patrick[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:1.  Delegate security to the server side on a domain/subdomain  basis.2. Enable high and low ports access. 3. Prevent  Flash Player from being used as "denial of service" toolset.<BR!> 
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Re: [flexcoders] FLEX and Open Lazslo Comparision

2006-03-28 Thread dos dedos




Esoteric factors affecting market penetration/user adoption/developer market:1. "Flex" has a nicer ring to it than "Open Lazslo"2. Flex ends with "ex" for ecstatic. Lazslo ends with "slo" 3. The combination of "sz" is hard to pronounce and foreign to most people. This may be part of an obscurity theme throughout the platform.I said these were esoteric! I'm sure better qualified responses will follow.:)Sanjeeb Patel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Hi All,I am in the process of comparing the two RIA technologies.  If anyone has done it and can shed some light, I will really appreciate.Thanks for your help.  -San 
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RE: [flexcoders] Re: FLEX and Open Lazslo Comparision

2006-03-28 Thread dos dedos

With respect to mobile apps I think one plausible idea would be for Adobe to design their own Flash-engine-as-ASIC-library and license it to mobile phone chip makers like Motorola for inclusion in some of their chip architectures. That would improve Flash's performance on mobile phones. Just an idea ... Bryan Rieger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Renaun, I might be wrong, but I though Laslo parses their language at runtime (in the SWF) instead of compiling the code into SWFs? Nope. AFAIK it's compiled to bytecode - but there is a base framework that is included within the bytecode, so there might be some overhead there as they mediate between LZX ideas and SWF spec. The size has to do with all the Flex Framework components, yes its bigger but a richer set of
components. Does it happen to remove the unused components? What if I'm only using one button - does Flex include all components? Laszlo has a basic framework that's included, and components are added as required (at compile) time. I believe they're also working on ways to use shared runtime libraries/frameworks so it'll be possible to include apps that don't include the framework, instead reuse the libs supplied in the container application - makes it easier to break your apps into smaller, reuseable modules. The richness of Flex Framework is not to be over looked though. They will only keep bringing out more and more components. That's why I'm here - I'm very interested in learning more about Flex. The one thing that makes me uneasy about OL is the fact that they don't control their target runtime, and as such will always be playing catch-up. Not to say that they can't be extremely innovative,
but at the end of the day Adobe does control the Flash platform and they are definitely in the best position to offer developers the best tools and experiences moving forward. As soon as Adobe announced that the Flex 2 framework would be free I couldn't justify not taking a serious look at Flex. Lastly, a side note - I'm also REALLY interested in how Flex (or OpenLaszlo) view publishing to other platforms - specifically mobile and devices. With Flash Lite 2 we're getting closer to a runtime that Flex or OL could theoretically publish to. FWIW - OL does somewhat publish to Flash Lite 2 already - although I wouldn't even begin to think of deploying a real mobile application with it yet. http://weblog.openlaszlo.org/archives/2006/02/openlaszlo-running-on-a-cell-p hone/ Sincerely, Bryan -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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[flexcoders] Flex 2: about potential HTTPService timeout/security issues ...

2006-03-27 Thread dos dedos

I'd like to POST some XML requests via HTTPService from my Flex app (which is served from e.g. http://xyz.com) to a .cgi server running on my localhost. The cgi server is part of an interface to an existing Java application. It takes XML requests via HTTP POST and returns XML response via HTTP.I don't have all the details nailed down on but I can think of these potential issues:1. Some of the POST actions will involve sending megabytes or even gigabytes of ascii encoded data. Does the HTTPService request normally timeout after a while? if so, how to set the timeout period?2. Is it allowed by under the default Flash security policy to send/receive data via HTTPService from a Flex app that is served from e.g. http://xyz.com to a server running http://localhost/ ? If not, how do you deal with it? Do you have to save a crossdomain.xml on the localhost web root (or the xyz.com web root) or what security work around would be needed (if
any)?I looked at the documentation here (http://livedocs.macromedia.com/labs/1/flex20beta2/wwhelp/wwhimpl/js/html/wwhelp.htm) and couldn't find much info about this ...Thanks for your help :)dos
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Re: [flexcoders] Flex 2: about potential HTTPService timeout/security issues ...

2006-03-27 Thread dos dedos




Relating to the potential timeout issue, I think most likely HTTPService doesn't timeout on its ownHowever, my Java application could crash and reboot so I would have to make sure HTTPService would time out if it's loses connection with the server... No idea how to do that yet ...Any clarifications would be greatly helpful!Thanksdos
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Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex 2: about potential HTTPService timeout/security issues ...

2006-03-27 Thread dos dedos

Thanks for this clarifiaction on the timeout. I think I'll have to implement timeout to end the HTTPService request if there is no data being exchanged for xx number of seconds.With respect to the potential security issue, I'd like to POST XML via HTTPService to a .cgi server running on a machine other than the one the Flex app is served from. Do I need to have a crossdomain.xml at either side? or am I free to interact with any server via HTTService? Thanks!dosDave Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:The player is simply piggy backing on the HTTP stack of the browser. I think you will find in most cases the browser will detect the half dead socket when data is moving on the socket and generate an error HTTP status back. Things get a little harrier when you have an idle yet persistent
connection. This gets even more tricky if you are running a cluster of servers to support high availability, etc. In any case, for what you are describing, I think you wont have to work on doing this yourself. It should be very easy to test. -- Dave Wolf Cynergy Systems, Inc. Macromedia Flex Alliance Partner http://www.cynergysystems.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Office: 866-CYNERGY --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Relating to the potential timeout issue, I think most likely HTTPService doesn't timeout on its ownHowever, my Java application could crash and reboot so I would have to make sure HTTPService would time out if it's loses connection with the server... No idea how to do that yet ...Any
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RE: [flexcoders] Re: Flex 2: about potential HTTPService timeout/security issues ...

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That is the reverse of the common philosophy on this issue. Usually, the end user is "trusted" with the decision because the assumption is that end user is A) not stupid and B) not evil.Defending all servers out there against the threat of an attack by all Flash clients (irrespective of their intent) means that all Flash clients are presumed guilty unless the server owner decides that they're not, but it is the end user who is able to judge whether a given Flash client is to be trusted or not. The server owner has no way of knowing because they're not the ones downloading the Flash content, the users are.So if the server owner (e.g. Amazon.com) decides to allow Flash clients to use its API but then they get hacked from a Flash client then they are to blame. And the chance that they would get hacked by a malicious Flash client is higher than the case where the end users get to judge whether a given Flash client can be trusted to exceute or not.Not
 trying to be a pain in the butt with my counter argument but I'm trying to probe the status quo to make sure that it makes sense.:)dosRoger Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   If I have a server that I want to protect, I don't care  whether your SWF is signed, and I don't care whether you granted it permission,  I don't want you connecting to me.  It doesn't matter what YOU want to approve, it matters what  the SERVER wants to approve.  -rg  From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dosdedosSent: Monday, March 27, 2006 8:27 PMTo:flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re:
 Flex 2:about "potential" HTTPService timeout/security issues ...   In your example the SWF should not be allowed to connect toany server other than the server it was served from! That's bydefault.That is unless it is a SIGNED SWF where the end user may allowor deny it's request to execute with full permissions.If it works forJava and ActiveX it would work equally well for Flash ... I'minterested in understanding why the way it's done in Flash may be better...dosRoger Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: You
 have the purpose backwards. (There's an  entirely different mechanism for what trust you want to grant to a  particular SWF.)  The point is fora server owner to prevent you  from distributing a SWF that canact as a  distributeddenial-of-service attack on a  server.  Consider the case of some web forum that lets you  upload a SWF as an image. Every person who visits the page runs that  SWF. It wou! ld thus be bad if the SWF was allowed to connect to some  site that the SWF author wanted to crash.  Dig it?  -rg  From:  flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf  Of dos dedosSent: Monday, March 27, 2006 7:58  PMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE:  [flexcoders] Re: Flex 2: about "potential" HTTPService timeout/security  issues ...(I'm still in complaining mode)ActiveX and Javaused applet signing to solve this ...Wouldn't it be better to"respect" the end user's right to choose whether or not to trust a givenFlash app to do what it's suppose to do rather than to force the user toinstall crossdomain on their machine ! or force teh sys admin (in case of   
 LAN) to install cross domain inside the LAN? How about somesecurity through democracy?How many times does the average personclick OK on a signed applet or ActiveX permission screen and end upregreting it?dosTed Patrick[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:1.  Delegate security to the server side on a domain/subdomain  basis.2. Enable high and low ports access. 3. Prevent  Flash Player from being used as "denial of service" toolset.  Crossdomain.xml has really improved things, it was a great addition  to the player at the release of Flash Player 7. I complained about it  but eventually I saw the light.Cheers,Cynergy Systems, 
 Inc.Theodore PatrickSr.  Consultant[EMAIL PROTECTED]tel: 1.866.CYNERGYhttp://www.cynergysystems.comFrom:  flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf  Of dos dedosSent: Monday, March 27, 2006 6:14 PMTo:  flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Re: Flex 2:  about "potential" HTTPService timeout/security issues ...thanks!  bwt, does anyone know what is the security scenario that  promoted the introduction of the crossdomain requirement? it would be  educating to know Carson Hager  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:You will need a  crossdomain file.ï¿½ï¿½-- No virus found in this  outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.385 /   
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RE: [flexcoders] Opinions sought: Flex and small developers

2006-03-27 Thread dos dedos

Yay and Yay!!!High fives to your product management team! you're strategy overall got some killer moves... dos likesMatt Chotin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Yes and yesFrom: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dos dedos Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 8:36 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Opinions sought: Flex and small developers David Will the 'limited' free version of FDS include publish-subscribe functionality? if so, will it also include the JMS adapter?David Mendels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi,I guess you missed the news. :)The price model changes completely from 1.X to 2.0. The product is affordable for everyone now.The Flex Framework and compiler will be free. In other words, if you want to use your own text editor for coding, you can now build and deploy Flex applications for *FREE*.The Flex Builder tool will be less than $1000. Yo! u will be able to build and deploy Flex applications with this. You are not required to ever buy the server. You can load data into your Flex app with XML over XTTP or our XML or Binary Socket and no server is required.The Flex Data Services will have a low end limited version for Free, and will scale to more typical enterprise server pricing (eg. for small business this will scale to be expensive for larger deployments). However this is not required for the average small business
application. Regards, David AdobeFrom: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pixelgeek Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 10:35 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Opinions sought: Flex and small developers Now as much as I like Flex and as much as I like playing with! it and creating some interesting gadgets I am curious if people here on the list think that there is much point in pursuing Flex if you are a small developer and typically cater to smaller companies. Do people think that Flex is ever going to reach down from its current market (and its current price) to where it is afordable for smaller developers? My current conundrum is that I have two applciations that I am planning and I can do then in Flex or CF using CF Form but as much as I want to do it in Flex I can't see that its economically feasible to do so Anyone think this will change? Will Adobe change past Macromedia price points for this product? Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

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Re: [flexcoders] Re: FB2 :: Plugin, where is it?

2006-03-26 Thread dos dedos

I understand why they can't be all mixed up in one project but I'd think it's safe to assume they can be all mixed up in one CVS repository ... Ant is a critical component but it may have one of those open source licenses that prohibit commercial use, which would explain why Flexbuilder doesn't come with it. Dave Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:The only bummer is that if you have a Java project with some mxml in it (like we do since we've been using Eclipse since before Zorn) you can't use the MXML editors. They seem to only work inside the Flex projects themselves. But yes, you do get to have everything in one tool, just not all mixed up in one project. -- Dave Wolf Cynergy Systems, Inc. Macromedia Flex Alliance Partner http://www.cynergysystems.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Office: 866-CYNERGY --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Schmalle" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it took me 4 minutes to uninstall and reinstall on top of Eclipse.Never know what I need in the future, now everything is in one place.Peace, MikeOn 3/26/06, Johannes Nel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am not certain about beta 2, but in beta 1 the ant was disabled, and that is a killer for me as i use ant the whole time as a workflow tool. you never know what you might need until you find its not there so... On 3/26/06, Michael Schmalle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HAHA,
You know, that figures it was right in front of my face! Thanks Johannes for pointing out the obvious. Maybe it's becasue I amhere since alpha and it was a seperate download. I really think that is whatscrewed up my thinking. Lets say I am not using Java in Eclipse, it is still wise for me toinstall Flex Builder as the plugin right? Peace, Mike On 3/26/06, Johannes Nel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ant is not installed by default, which is the the real killler, other than that none of the standard java stuff is there. the pluging version of zorn is in the same installer, all you do is you choose to install the
plugin version and point it to a eclipse folder. On 3/26/06, Michael Schmalle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, I have so much on my plate... I just read in a previous thread that the standalone is severly cippled in Eclipse. What is not implemented? I want to use the subversion plugin, I have Eclipse installed already, where do I get the plugin version of Flex Builder? Could somone point me in the resources direction or at least give a couple steps to get this going for me in my mind?
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Re: [flexcoders] Flex 2 and FMS 2 for audio conferencing application

2006-03-26 Thread dos dedos




Is it realistic to suggest that Flex 2 could be used (with minimal server side processing [e.g. just to work around flash-to-flash security restriction]) to build a point-to-point VoIP application? That would be nice to try one day ... Brian Lesser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Yes, audio and video streaming seem to work. For example to play a stream:  private function play():void{  if(_inStream) _inStream.close();  // Create the stream:  _inStream = new NetStream(_nc);  // Setup the listeners:  _inStream.addEventListener(NetStatusEvent.NET_STATUS, netStatus);  _inStream.addEventListener(SecurityErrorEvent.SECURITY_ERROR,  netSecurityError);  // Play the stream and show the video: 
 _inStream.play(_streamName);  _video.attachNetStream(_inStream); }  And to publish a stream:  private function publish():void{  if (_outStream ) _outStream.close();  _outStream = new NetStream(_nc);  _outStream.addEventListener(NetStatusEvent.NET_STATUS, netStatus);  _outStream.addEventListener(SecurityErrorEvent.SECURITY_ERROR,  netSecurityError);// Capture video and publish it  _camera = Camera.getCamera();  if(_camera){  _camera.setMode(160, 120, 6, true);  _outStream.attachCamera(_camera);  _video.attachCamera(_camera);  }  _microphone = Microphone.getMicrophone(); 
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RE: [flexcoders] Re: Flex2: version control plugin

2006-03-26 Thread dos dedos

Thanks"Kelly @ Dekayd Media Inc." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I use MyEclipse with Hibernate.Itâs lacking some features so I also use Hibernate Synchronizer.The combination of the two works pretty well. --KellyFrom: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dos dedos Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:13 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Flex2: version control plugin CVS is accessible in Flexbuilder (under Window-Show View-Other-add CVS repository) I just never looked under "Other" before. I checked out Eclipse 3.2 and it's looks pretty solid. I'll definitely use the
subversion plugin. Anyone working with a Hibrenate plugin for Eclipse? I found this one http://myeclipseide.com .. it may be worth checking out. Thanks for the info Mike Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Works well with FlexBuilder also. Info on how to install it here: http://labs.macromedia.com/wiki/index.php/Flex_Builder:resources:plugins:subversion mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kelly @ Dekayd Media Inc. wrote: Subclipse is a great plugin.It is definitely a timesaver. --Kelly -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave Wolf Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 4:06 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Flex2: version control pluginThere is also a subversion plugin for eclipse, although I havent used it. We use Eclipse
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Re: [flexcoders] Flex 2 and FMS 2 for audio conferencing application

2006-03-26 Thread dos dedos




re bandwidth... not thinking of competing with Yahoo IM .. only considering for building nice looking, branded corporate 'productivity' applications that run inside the browser .. I assume Flex 2 (more than Flash, since it has the desired RIA features) is a good choice Thanks for info about the FMS pieceI should be buying Adobe stock :)Brian Lesser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi Dos, Well, you could use Flash or Flex to make a simple IP-based audio  system. Ofcourse, it will not be truly point-to-point in the sense that  there are no swf-to-swf connections. All communications run through the  Flash Media Server: swf-fms-swf. Consequently you still must pay the  bandwidth costs used by all those connections and the audio flowing over  them from/to the server. For a reasonably secure system you
 will need to authenticate users  attempting to connect to the server. Yours truly, -Brian  dos dedos wrote:  Is it realistic to suggest that Flex 2 could be used (with minimal server side processing [e.g. just to work around flash-to-flash security restriction]) to build a point-to-point VoIP application?   That would be nice to try one day ...   Brian Lesser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, audio and video streaming seem to work. For example to play a stream:private function play():void{  if(_inStream) _inStream.close();  // Create the stream:  _inStream = new NetStream(_nc);  // Setup the listeners:  _inStream.addEventListener(NetStatusEvent.NET_STATUS, netStatus); 
 _inStream.addEventListener(SecurityErrorEvent.SECURITY_ERROR,   netSecurityError);  // Play the stream and show the video:  _inStream.play(_streamName);  _video.attachNetStream(_inStream);  }And to publish a stream:private function publish():void{  if (_outStream ) _outStream.close();  _outStream = new NetStream(_nc);  _outStream.addEventListener(NetStatusEvent.NET_STATUS, netStatus);  _outStream.addEventListener(SecurityErrorEvent.SECURITY_ERROR,   netSecurityError);// Capture video and publish it  _camera = Camera.getCamera(); 
 if(_camera){  _camera.setMode(160, 120, 6, true);  _outStream.attachCamera(_camera);  _video.attachCamera(_camera);  }  _microphone = Microphone.getMicrophone();  if(_microphone){  _outStream.attachAudio(_microphone);  }  }Yours truly,  -Brianpk_wasp wrote:I want to build a simple audio conferencing Flex 2 (Beta 2) application   (just people using their microphone) with Flash Media Server 2Does anyone have any examples/links/documentation to do this sort of   thing? (if its possible)and is the microphone working with this Flash Player 8.5 now?
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[flexcoders] Flex 2: Content Menu ... How To?

2006-03-26 Thread dos dedos




HiWhen I right-click on Flash/flex content I get the Adobe "About" context menu...It would be very nice to have a context menu that relates to the functionality of your application not the functionality of the Flash player.I believe I had heard it was possible ... How?Thanks a lot in advancedos
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Re: [flexcoders] Flex 2: Context Menu ... How To?

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speaking of sunday morning hangover, it's CONTEXT not CONTENT :D ... sorrydos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:HiWhen I right-click on Flash/flex content I get the Adobe "About" context menu...It would be very nice to have a context menu that relates to the functionality of your application not the functionality of the Flash player.I believe I had heard it was possible ... How?Thanks a lot in advancedos   New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big.
	
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Re: [flexcoders] Flex 2: Context Menu ... How To?

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awesome! thank you ... now i can see the light at the end of the tunnel--p.s. one day they'll have intravenous documentation and ignorance vaccines for platform n00bs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:There are good examples in the docs for this. I haven't tested this code but generally you can do something like ---  myItem.contextMenu=generateContextMenu();// set the context menu   // generate the context menu public function generateContextMenu():ContextMenu{  var menu:ContextMenu=new ContextMenu();  menu.hideBuiltInItems();  var item:ContextMenuItem=new ContextMenuItem("tester");  menu.customItems.push(item); 
 item.addEventListener(ContextMenuEvent.MENU_ITEM_SELECT,itemHandler)  return(menu);  } //handler to handle the press private function itemHandler(event:ContextMenuEvent):void{ trace("the menu item was hit"); }  /   speaking of sunday morning hangover, it's CONTEXT not CONTENT :D ...  sorry   dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Hi   When I right-click on Flash/flex content I get the Adobe "About" context  menu...   It would be very nice to have a context menu that relates to the  functionality of your application not the functionality of the Flash  player.   I believe I had heard it was possible ...   How?   Thanks a lot in advancedos   - 
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Re: [flexcoders] Flex 2: Context Menu ... How To?

2006-03-26 Thread dos dedos




LOL .. I'm using the 600 pages of documentation I printed as a pillow for now... (I can't read while I'm awake [too boring] and when I'm asleep the words get all scrambled and stuff... my import function is broke) ... still goingthru the first 200 pagesThanks!111 =)Michael Schmalle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hey,  Seeing as how the Help Content in FB2 works great, this might get you started;  package {import flash.ui.ContextMenu;import flash.ui.ContextMenuItem;import flash.events.ContextMenuEvent;import flash.events.ContextMenuEvent;import flash.display.Sprite; import flash.display.Shape;import flash.util.trace;public class ContextMenuExample extends Sprite {private var myContextMenu:ContextMenu;private
 var menuLabel:String = "Reverse Colors";private var textLabel:String = "Right Click";private var redRectangle:Sprite;private var label:TextField;private var size:uint = 100;private var black:uint = 0x00;private var red:uint = 0xFF;public function ContextMenuExample() {myContextMenu = new ContextMenu();removeDefaultItems();addCustomMenuItems();myContextMenu.addEventListener(ContextMenuEvent.MENU_SELECT, menuSelectHandler);addChildren();redRectangle.contextMenu = myContextMenu;}private function addChildren():void {redRectangle = new Sprite();redRectangle.graphics.beginFill(red);redRectangle.graphics.drawRect(0, 0, size, size);addChild(redRectangle);redRectangle.x =
 size;redRectangle.y = size;label = createLabel();redRectangle.addChild(label);}private function removeDefaultItems():void {myContextMenu.hideBuiltInItems();var defaultItems:ContextMenuBuiltInItems = myContextMenu.builtInItems;defaultItems.print = true;}private function addCustomMenuItems():void {var item:ContextMenuItem = new ContextMenuItem(menuLabel);myContextMenu.customItems.push(item);item.addEventListener(ContextMenuEvent.MENU_ITEM_SELECT, menuItemSelectHandler);}private function menuSelectHandler(event:ContextMenuEvent):void {trace("menuSelectHandler: " + event);}private function menuItemSelectHandler(event:ContextMenuEvent):void {trace("menuItemSelectHandler: " + event);   
 var textColor:uint = (label.textColor == black) ? red : black;var bgColor:uint = (label.textColor == black) ? black : red;redRectangle.graphics.clear();redRectangle.graphics.beginFill(bgColor);redRectangle.graphics.drawRect(0, 0, size, size);label.textColor = textColor;}private function createLabel():TextField {var txtField:TextField = new TextField();txtField.text = textLabel;return txtField;        }    };-)Peace, Mike} On 3/26/06, dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:speaking
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Re: [flexcoders] Flex 2: Context Menu ... How To?

2006-03-26 Thread dos dedos




I was getting excited about those "green Classes" ...I found language reference is under Adobe Flex Help from the top level ... I hadve already printed all that stuff but the online layout enables random access a lot more efficiently... the days of looking up stuff in a hefty manual are over.. i don't know what i was thinking! =)Michael Schmalle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:heh,  I mean non-green classes. :)  Peace, MikeOn 3/26/06, Michael Schmalle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dos,  A trick that I use with the
 help...  Hit help contents.  Then hit Language reference  Then hit Frames  Then look for ContentMenu, then a big example follows the more green Classes.  ;-)  The helpp is really laid out well.  Peace, MikeOn 3/26/06, dos dedos  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:LOL .. I'm using the 600 pages of documentation I printed as a pillow for now... (I can't read while I'm awake [too boring] and when I'm asleep the words get all scrambled and stuff... my import function is broke) ... still
 goingthru the first 200 pagesThanks!111 =)Michael Schmalle   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hey,  Seeing as how the Help Content in FB2 works great, this might get you started;   package {import flash.ui.ContextMenu;import flash.ui.ContextMenuItem;import flash.events.ContextMenuEvent;import flash.events.ContextMenuEvent;import flash.display.Sprite; import flash.display.Shape;import flash.util.trace;public class ContextMenuExample extends Sprite {private var myContextMenu:ContextMenu;private var
 menuLabel:String = "Reverse Colors";private var textLabel:String = "Right Click";private var redRectangle:Sprite;private var label:TextField;private var size:uint = 100;private var black:uint = 0x00;private var red:uint = 0xFF;public function ContextMenuExample() {myContextMenu = new ContextMenu();removeDefaultItems();addCustomMenuItems();myContextMenu.addEventListener(ContextMenuEvent.MENU_SELECT, menuSelectHandler);addChildren();redRectangle.contextMenu = myContextMenu;}private function addChildren():void {redRectangle = new Sprite();redRectangle.graphics.beginFill(red);redRectangle.graphics.drawRect(0, 0, size, size);addChild(redRectangle);  
  redRectangle.x = size;redRectangle.y = size;label = createLabel();redRectangle.addChild(label);}private function removeDefaultItems():void {myContextMenu.hideBuiltInItems();var defaultItems:ContextMenuBuiltInItems = myContextMenu.builtInItems;defaultItems.print = true;}private function addCustomMenuItems():void {var item:ContextMenuItem = new ContextMenuItem(menuLabel);myContextMenu.customItems.push(item);item.addEventListener(ContextMenuEvent.MENU_ITEM_SELECT, menuItemSelectHandler);}private function menuSelectHandler(event:ContextMenuEvent):void {trace("menuSelectHandler: " + event);}private function menuItemSelectHandler(event:ContextMenuEvent):void {  
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Re: [flexcoders] Flex 2: can you play audio asynchronously?

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Thank you snail, this is exactly what I was looking for :)snail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  hello,dos dedos   ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½Perhaps you can use the "mx.effects.Parallel()".this  method can mix many effect and play them asynchronously.for examplefunction mixEffect(){ var  e1 = new  mx.effects.Fade(hideObj);  e1.duration=500;  e1.alphaTo = 0;   var e2  = new  mx.effects.Fade(showObj);  e2.duration=500;  e2.alphaTo = 100;  var mixEffect = new 
 mx.effects.Parallel();  mixEffect.addChild(e1);  mixEffect.addChild(e2); mixEffect.playEffect(); } this script mix to effect. Good Luck!!   Snail in China
  ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½  2006-03-2510:12:11ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½Ð´ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½   Let's  say you had 8 or 16 "Wav" files that you wanted to play at the same time  (e.g. for special sound effects in games) then one way woudl be to issue  async calls to play each file in sequence, so that all of them would  start at approx the same time.Is that possible in  Flex?I've seen games and demos in
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Re: [flexcoders] Flex2: version control plugin

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Is there the eclipse plugin for single-user version control (with diff, label, branch, merge, etc)?
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Re: [flexcoders] Format of UIDUtils.createUid() string is incorrect

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I wonder if Adobe has recruited tens or hundreds of beta testers somewhere who have access to a formal bug tracking system, or if the developers on this list are the only beta testers ...How do these bugs reports get tracked? Tobias Patton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hello list;My application makes a web-service call to a .NET server that requires a UUID parameter which the client must generate. The call was failing and I was
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[flexcoders] Flex 2: can you play audio asynchronously?

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Let's say you had 8 or 16 "Wav" files that you wanted to play at the same time (e.g. for special sound effects in games) then one way woudl be to issue async calls to play each file in sequence, so that all of them would start at approx the same time.Is that possible in Flex?I've seen games and demos in Shockwave where multiple audio channels are mixed.. Not sure if it's possible in Flash and Flex?
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RE: [flexcoders] Flex 2: can you play audio asynchronously?

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Woo hoo! + Doh! #1 + Doh #2:)Roger Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Existence proof: http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/homer.php  -rg 
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Re: [flexcoders] problem with the newsgroup search?

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It looks like they're having some temporary issue with the server Why don't you use the search function at http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups/flexcoders ?Libby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: would someone go to this link and do a search and see if u also get an error like me? (I thought maybe a firewall problem or something).  http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders@yahoogroups.com/  Thanks, Libby  
	
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Re: [flexcoders] Re: problem with the newsgroup search?

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[flexcoders] Request to Adobe re: Documentation format

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I'm glad the new Beta 2 IDE includes links to documentation ...I was wondering if we can have it in Adobe Acrobat format so we can print it and read it offline?
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Re: [flexcoders] Re: problem with the newsgroup search?

2006-03-22 Thread dos dedos




... glad I qualified that with "theoretically"Here is the deal:1. New entries may be fetched via RSS client (you can build one in Flex.. I think I saw a sample RSS reader somewhere) at http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups/flexcoders/rss2. Old entries may be fetched one by one in a loop using a throw-away screen scraper routine using the following URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/message/N where N is the message numberOnce you have the old entries inserted into the database, you'll just have to keep adding the new entries as they show up in the RSS feedlol ... marc
	
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just guessing ... but maybe there is no support yet in AS for Java map typelorejava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I have a reading problem when I use returned a java.utilMap from a Java class.   Follow my code:  Java class --   public Map getHashMap()  {  Map hm = new HashMap();  hm.put("HashMap1", "valore1");  hm.put("HashMap2", "valore2");  hm.put("HashMap3", "valore3");  return hm;  }   Flex Monitor result when i call my java method: --- [array] :  
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[flexcoders] Flexbuilder 2 memory usage :o

2006-03-20 Thread dos dedos




When I start Flexbuilder 2 on my Windows 2003 Server PC my memory usage goes up by about 300MB and then grows quickly to 350MB usage as I start using the IDE ...When I start Flexbuilder 2 Eclipse Plugin my memory usage goes up by about 325MB and grows quickly to 375MB as I start using the IDE ...I have 1GB RAM but I run other IDEs and tools at the same time so it gets used up pretty quick ...Does anyone know if it's possible to strip down Eclipse to the bare minimum and then run it with the Flex 2 plugin to lower memory usage? Or is there a way to modify the Flex 2 or Eclipse JVM installtion to reduce memory usage?Just curious ... I know RAM is cheap :)
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Re: [flexcoders] Looks Like Flex 2.0 Beta 2 is Releasing soon

2006-03-20 Thread dos dedos




I find the new name FDS to be more accurate ... Richie Rich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello,  I went to D/L the Coldfusion/Flex Connection kit and I am recieving Errors when I get to the page.   http://trials.macromedia.com/pub/esd/labs/flex2/cf_flexconnect_b2_03-20.exe  Everything has the _b2 added to it and it looks like they are updating labs website as well "The FES2 has a new name "Flex Data Services 2.0".  Any body know when the D/L's will start working again.  Rich  
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Re: [flexcoders] Looks Like Flex 2.0 Beta 2 is Releasing soon

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" ... smashes into the sun" is it taking it too far to assume it's in reference to Sun buying Adobe? Flex would make the perfect compliment for Java on the front end =)Michael Schmalle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:When the earth smashes into the sun... ;-( Reality sucks.On 3/20/06, Joï¿½o Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Well I just saw the "Adobe Flex Developer Derby" and guess what... Again only available in US and Canada (Frenchies excluded). When will we see for once a contest where no one is
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Re: [flexcoders] Looks Like Flex 2.0 Beta 2 is Releasing soon

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that assumes i won't self-combust once i walk out of the matrix . :oMichael Schmalle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Man, I gotta shake your hand someday ;-)On 3/20/06, dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:" ... smashes into the sun" is it taking it too far to assume it's in reference to Sun buying Adobe? Flex would make the perfect compliment for Java on the front end =)Michael Schmalle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When the earth smashes into the sun... ;-( Reality sucks.On 3/20/06, Joï¿½o Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I just saw
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Re: [flexcoders] Starting a Project Now! FLEX 1.5 or 2.0?

2006-03-19 Thread dos dedos

.. reminds me of that part from "Office Space" when they discover they have $325,000 in their bank account which was supposed to accrue over several years from fractional pennies stolen from their ex employer The funny part goes something like this:Michael: I must have missed a decimal point... I always forget some mundane thing!!!Peter: you call that mundane!Michael Schmalle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:jeremy wouldn't it be ' my .02 cents ' ;-)On 3/19/06, jeremy lu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: beta1 is pretty
solid now, definitly should go with flex 2, so you don't have to port it again 3 months later. my .2 centsOn 3/19/06, Jason Hawryluk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am also in the same position. I started with Flex 1.5, and ever since theFlex 2.0 alphabeen in flex 2.0. There is no official release date for it, but I don't think we'll regret thinking ahead. It's also allot
easier to use and get around in. There are quite a few changes between AS2 and AS3 IMO;Go with Flex 2.0 Jason-Message d'origine-De:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com]De la partde dos dedosEnvoyï¿½: dimanche 19 mars 200606:02ï¿½: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comObjet: Re:[flexcoders] Starting a Project Now! FLEX 1.5 or 2.0?If Iwas in your shoes (which I am actually) I would choose to go with Flex2.0Quick results are not as important when you're thinking long term... :)Richie Rich [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hello,I am starting a
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RE: [flexcoders] Re: Weyert // HTTP (or socket) Client and Server in Flex UI

2006-03-19 Thread dos dedos

That's good to know :)Looking forward to your book ... what's the title gonna be? ThanksWeyert de Boer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Users will have to install the Python server and the SWF will be installed with it so it will run on localhost, i.e. no firewall issues. Aha :-) So you're saying that instead of polling the Python server from Flex UI every N seconds, I could do the opposites and 'push' updates (via XMLSocket request-response behavior) from Python server to Flex UI? Yes, the XMLSocket implementation is able to receive or send messages, so you could use this method. No need to poll every N seconds, why poll when it's needed ;-) That would be far better than polling the poor Python server since the Python server
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[flexcoders] Adobe Best Practices: Deprecate/Remove Cycle?

2006-03-18 Thread dos dedos

Does Adobe normally mark stuff as 'deprecated' in at least a couple of GA releases before they are removed?I hope that's the case. If not then it would be nice to adopt such practice."Darron J. Schall" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gordon Smith wrote:Forget StringBuilder... it's going away in B3. The player team decidedit didn't give enough performance gain in enough useful cases to justifyhaving both String and StringBuilder. Doh, really? I've actually been using it a decent amount. It's especially handy in testing the SHA1 hash of a million letter a's to verify the hash
algorithm is correct: var millionAs:StringBuilder = new StringBuilder( '' );millionAs.ensureCapacity( 100 );for ( var i:int = 0; i 100; i++ )
{ millionAs.append( 'a' ); } assertSHA1( millionAs.toString(), "34aa973cd4c4daa4f61eeb2bdbad27316534016f" ); I realize the above loop could be unrolled to make it perform even faster (by appending more 'a's in each append call, and reducing the number of iterations by 10x, 100x, etc). But StringBuilder in this case was
a lot faster than using a regular string.. though, I imagine this isn't really a typical use-case. That said, however, it would be a shame to see StringBuilder go -- especially after having written a decent number of pages for it for an upcoming book. Can I petition? :-) -d
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Re: [flexcoders] Starting a Project Now! FLEX 1.5 or 2.0?

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Re: [flexcoders] HTTP (or socket) Client and Server in Flex UI

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I'm not sure if Mono works on Mac OS X .. .NET is limited to Windows  So I decided to use Python .. Needless to say, I'm now officially a .NET deserter ... C# is cool but I got bored with it...I highly recommend Python for cross platform projects#dosManish Jethani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/17/06, Tracy Spratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   I am using .NET for the socket server. There are many examples available out there.  This one's my favourite:  http://www.aflax.org/examples/sockets/sockets.html  Manish   
	
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Re: [flexcoders] Flex 2: thread management, synchronous methods, etc

2006-03-17 Thread dos dedos

I didn't know you can poll in a separate thread without interrupting the GUI process I'm exploring if what I need to do is possible in Flex 2 before I actually plunge into it, so my knowledge of Flex is minimal at this point (I'm working on the backend stuff still... but looking ahead for possible roadblocks) I take it that it is possible to do that in Flex... if so, case closed! At least for now... I'm sure I'll need to transfer binary data in the future (and encoding it into ascii to send back over XMLSocket would be less desireable than writing a custom push protocol on top of binary socket) but for now, I'm happy with polling (if it works as advertised, i.e. without blocking user interaction)Manish Jethani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/17/06, dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It would be awesome if it works for "near realtime" polling ... I'm not hitting a central server when polling... the screen refresh requests go to a local Python server running on the user's desktop.. Load is not an issue ... The interval would be like 1 sec.. So what's the problem with polling every N seconds? What are your concerns? Manish __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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RE: [flexcoders] HTTP (or socket) Client and Server in Flex UI

2006-03-17 Thread dos dedos

I'm going to be running the SWF from "localhost" so it won't have to go thru the NAT and can run on the user's machine at, e.g. http://localhost/1234 ... The Python server is on localhost, too, and will poll it from Flex every 1 second using XMLSocket as advised by Stacey (and I assume the polling can happen in its own thread without interrupting user interaction with the Flex UI) However, the Flex UI will still have to go out to the Internet to communicate with FES on the remote server and that will use just one protocol on one portI think you're needs are more advanced than mine.. I don't need to send/receive binary mode files or handle data streams ... but if and when I have such need in the future the question becomes: are you going to make your technique available in an IFBIN example? :)ThanksMarcTed Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can run a socket server over port 80 or many common open ports. Plus
another thing to keep in mind is that with Flash Player, connections are initialized from behind the firewall out to the Internet. Reusing common ports is the simplest answer.Actually using Python Twisted we have been able to make servers that support HTTP, Binary Sockets, and XMLSocket over the same port. Basically you call the server to get the SWF over HTTP on port 80, then make a socket connection back to the same port using XMLSocket or flash.net.Socket. It works like a charm.Cynergy Systems, Inc. Theodore Patrick Sr. Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel: 1.866.CYNERGY http://www.cynergysystems.com From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joshua Garnett Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 3:14 PM To:
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Re: [flexcoders] HTTP (or socket) Client and Server in Flex UI

2006-03-17 Thread dos dedos

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder (or developer) I don't recommend my own kind of thinking on this but to some people having little quirks and weirdness in the language is what's most attractive .. I totally understand what you mean re Python and Ruby.. although I think it comes down to personal inclination, not logic :)Weyert de Boer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the tip on Mono/OS X ... that helps to know. Yes, it works. Red Hat and FreeBSD is a positive too. What attracts me to Python is it's somewhat twisted personality (and not its productivity or consistency) ... I get bored very quickly with good clean fun Yes, Python is nice for most purpose of course. I only don't really like the syntax of course it's better then the syntax of Ruby. I consider
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Re: [flexcoders] HTTP (or socket) Client and Server in Flex UI

2006-03-17 Thread dos dedos




Called it Dagwood Sandwich approach ;I find that just a bit more than intriguing ... lolYour academic cross-referencing style is enviable :)marcNirav Mehta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi,   I'm not sure if Mono works on Mac OS X .. .NET is limited to Windows   Mono runs on Mac. We actually did a cross platform application with C#  (Mono on Mac, .Net on Windows). Called it Dagwood Sandwich approach ;) [1]  We discovered a bug in the socket implementation in Mono though. Async  operations wouldn't work on Mac. So we had to do some workarounds. But  the bug is resolved now. [2]  HTH.  :Nirav  [1]:  http://www.mehtanirav.com/2005/08/29/developing-cross-platform-interactive-applications/  [2]: http://bugzilla.ximian.com/show_bug.cgi?id=75436   
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RE: [flexcoders] HTTP (or socket) Client and Server in Flex UI

2006-03-17 Thread dos dedos

Cool... here is a hidden "Happy St. Patrick's day" message to all the Irish peeps, properly disguised as list chatter ...I got this from a good buddy who has a twin brother so it's funny in contextp.s. I'm celebrating by seeding my pirated episodes of Father Ted .. I don't think the BBC would care--Two men were sitting next to each other at a pub. After a while, oneguy looks at the other and says, "I can't help but think, from listeningto you, that you're from Ireland. The other guy responds proudly, "Yes, that I am" The first guy says, "So am I! And where about from Ireland might yoube?" The other guy answers, "I'm from Dublin, I am." The first guy responds, "Sure and begora, and so am I. And what streetdid you live on in Dublin?" The other guy says, "A lovely little area it was, I lived on McClearyStreet in the old central part of town." The first guy says, "Faith it's a small world, so did I. So did I.And to what school would you have been going?" The other guy answers, "Well now,
I went to St. Mary's of course." The first guy gets really excited and says, "And so did I. Tell me,what year did you graduate?" The other guy answers, "Well, now, let's see, I graduated in 1964." The first guy exclaims, "The Good Lord must be smiling down upon us! Ican hardly believe our good luck at winding up in the same bar tonight.Can you believe it, I graduated from St. Mary's in 1964 my own self." About this time, Vicky walks into the bar, sits down, and orders abeer. Brian, the bartender, walks over to Vicky, shaking his head mutters,"It's going to be a long night tonight" Vicky asks, "Why do you say that, Brian?" "The Murphy twins are drunk again."Ted Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually you can now compile Python into .NET CLR via IronPython. Python runs almost 3 times faster under .Net and can optionally be statically compiled to run much faster. I know several devs are working hard to port Twisted over to IronPython including support for network events via the OS select loop.Itâs the best of both worlds really. Easy to develop in, easy to deploy, easy to scale.Although I am very biased here, I drank the Python Kool-Aide 10 years ago.Happy St. Patrickâs Day!Cynergy Systems, Inc. Theodore Patrick Sr. Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel: 1.866.CYNERGY http://www.cynergysystems.comFrom: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dos dedos Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 9:34 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] HTTP
(or socket) Client and Server in Flex UI I'm not sure if Mono works on Mac OS X .. .NET is limited to Windows So I decided to use Python .. Needless to say, I'm now officially a .NET deserter ... C# is cool but I got bored with it... I highly recommend Python for cross platform projects #dos Manish Jethani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/17/06, Tracy Spratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am using .NET for the socket server. There are many examples available out there. This one's my favourite: http://www.aflax.org/examples/sockets/sockets.html Manish Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.4/283 - Release Date: 3/16/2006-- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.4/283 - Release Date: 3/16/2006
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RE: [flexcoders] Re: Weyert // HTTP (or socket) Client and Server in Flex UI

2006-03-17 Thread dos dedos

Users will have to install the Python server and the SWF will be installed with it so it will run on localhost, i.e. no firewall issues.i.e. you can always receive events/messages.So you're saying that instead of polling the Python server from Flex UI every N seconds, I could do the opposites and 'push' updates (via XMLSocket request-response behavior) from Python server to Flex UI? That would be far better than polling the poor Python server since the Python server is aware when it has new data so the Flex UI doesn't have to bug it needlessly every N seconds!Please let me know if that would workThanksmarcWeyert de Boer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Python server is on localhost, too, and will poll it from Flex every 1 second using XMLSocket
as advised by Stacey (and I assume the polling can happen in its own thread without interrupting user interaction with the Flex UI) Well, XMLSocket doesn't need to be a push solution, i.e. you can always receive events/messages. Of course you would have some issues on the client side because firewalls etc. I suppose you have control the client-side. However, the Flex UI will still have to go out to the Internet to communicate with FES on the remote server and that will use just one protocol on one port :-) I think you're needs are more advanced than mine.. I don't need to send/receive binary mode files or handle data streams ... but if and when I have such need in the future the question becomes: are you going to make your technique available in an IFBIN example? :) I am not sure what for example you want, but within some months their will be
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RE: [flexcoders] HTTP (or socket) Client and Server in Flex UI

2006-03-17 Thread dos dedos

Wooohoo!Let us know "if and when" IFBIN goes live!Thanks very much Ted Ted Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a working server using HTTP and Socket over the same port, full source in honor of St. Patricks day.Blog Post http://www.powersdk.com/ted/2006/03/st-patricks-day-sockethttp-server.phpServer Source http://www.powersdk.com/download/stpatricks.pyHave fun. Cheers,Cynergy Systems, Inc. Theodore Patrick Sr. Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel: 1.866.CYNERGY http://www.cynergysystems.com From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dos dedos Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 10:06 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] HTTP (or socket) Client and Server in Flex UI I'm going to be running the SWF from "localhost" so it won't have to go thru the NAT and can run on the user's machine at, e.g. http://localhost/1234 ... The Python server is on localhost, too, and will poll it from Flex every 1 second using XMLSocket as
advised by Stacey (and I assume the polling can happen in its own thread without interrupting user interaction with the Flex UI) However, the Flex UI will still have to go out to the Internet to communicate with FES on the remote server and that will use just one protocol on one port I think you're needs are more advanced than mine.. I don't need to send/receive binary mode files or handle data streams ... but if and when I have such need in the future the question becomes: are you going to make your technique available in an IFBIN example? :) Thanks Marc Ted Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:You can run a socket server over port 80 or many common open ports. Plus another thing to keep in mind is that with Flash Player, connections are initialized from behind the firewall out to the Internet. Reusing common ports is the simplest answer.Actually using Python Twisted we have been able to make servers that support HTTP, Binary Sockets, and XMLSocket over the same port. Basically you call the server to get the SWF over HTTP on port 80, then make a socket connection back to the same port using XMLSocket or
flash.net.Socket. It works like a charm.Cynergy Systems, Inc. Theodore Patrick Sr. Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel: 1.866.CYNERGY http://www.cynergysystems.com
From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Garnett Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 3:14 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] HTTP (or socket) Client and Server in Flex UI The issue I ran into with sockets is that not everyone has all of their ports open, which essentially cuts out a decent portion of users.
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[flexcoders] Flex 2: thread management, synchronous methods, etc

2006-03-16 Thread dos dedos




On most programming platforms, you have the event model (non-frame based events are raised and handled asynchronously), the synchronous model (blocking calls the halt execution within the thread/process until they return) and the inter-thread communication and thread management model.I haven't started working with Flex yet (still porting my Java code to Python/Tiwsted/Mutex, which is progressing at normal speed) but I just realized I may have a harder time with Flex due to the potential lack of familiar thread management and method synchronization features.For example, in Java,  in addition to having events which may be raised and handled asynchronously, you can rely on main memory to synchronize data across threads (which have their own copy of the data), so you can communicate between threads by updating the variable's state to main memory. Data locking and 'volatile' thread designaion allow a given variable to be updated in main memory by one thread at a time
 without it getting out of sync with other threads. You can also pause and resume a thread (from another threads or from within the thread) using .wait and .notify from within the thread to be paused (based on the state of a data item.)In addition, you can execute synchronous methods from the main process or any thread, which halt the respective execution path until the method returns. This means that a thread will wait for some call to finish before continuing. This 'synchronization' is an essential feature of the language, without which certain things would be unnecessarily difficult to implement.If Flex doesn't support thread management and synchronization would be an interesting idea to build an AS library that implements a thread management and synchronization model on top of Flex.Any thoughts, corrections or comments?Thanks
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[flexcoders] HTTP (or socket) Client and Server in Flex UI

2006-03-16 Thread dos dedos

Hey, does anyone have an idea how to build an HTTP (or socket) client + server inside a Flex app? I could use HTTPService for the client stuff but in my scenario I need to allow the Flex app to both send requests as well as receive them, so HTTPService is only half of the solution.. unless I'm missing something.I could use FES pub-sub to push data to the Flex app (and HTTPService to pull data/make calls on demand) but I can't do that because of the additional cost of the FES deployment license (given that in my scenario the service would have to run on the user's desktop.) And I definitely want to avoid having to periodically poll for data from the Flex app.I believe that it can be done but that I would have to spend a good amount of time experimenting with it.. However, it seems like a common need so I'd like to find out if anyone has done it before? Thanksmarc

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Re: [flexcoders] HTTP (or socket) Client and Server in Flex UI

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Replying to my own tired brain:I should probably settle for polling!!1dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hey, does anyone have an idea how to build an HTTP (or socket) client + server inside a Flex app? I could use HTTPService for the client stuff but in my scenario I need to allow the Flex app to both send requests as well as receive them, so HTTPService is only half of the solution.. unless I'm missing something.I could use FES pub-sub to push data to the Flex app (and HTTPService to pull data/make calls on demand) but I can't do that because of the additional cost of the FES deployment license (given that in my scenario the service would have to run on the user's desktop.) And I definitely want to avoid having to periodically poll for data from the Flex app.I believe that
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Re: [flexcoders] HTTP (or socket) Client and Server in Flex UI

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Yikes! I forgot there are no threads in Flex! so a polling/listening loop won't work ... I would have to have a timer to poll periodically ... no so pretty ... :(dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Replying to my own tired brain:I should probably settle for polling!!1dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hey, does anyone have an idea how to build an HTTP (or socket) client + server inside a Flex app? I could use HTTPService for the client stuff but in my scenario I need to allow the Flex app to both send requests as well as receive them, so HTTPService is only half of the solution.. unless I'm missing something.I could use FES
pub-sub to push data to the Flex app (and HTTPService to pull data/make calls on demand) but I can't do that because of the additional cost of the FES deployment license (given that in my scenario the service would have to run on the user's desktop.) And I definitely want to avoid having to periodically poll for data from the Flex app.I believe that it can be done but that I would have to spend a good amount of time experimenting with it.. However, it seems like a common need so I'd like to find out if anyone has done it before? Thanksmarc Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail
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Re: [flexcoders] Re: 2.0B1 - Use of CSS style sheet with DataGridColumn styleName

2006-03-16 Thread dos dedos




not being too useful here, but I think this is typical of beta phase documentation ... it's typical with the release early and release often model .. i'd rather have fuzzy documentation than no documentation, or worse having to wait until a product is perfected ... things are bound to get corrected over time ... :)thunderstumpgesatwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, this is just terrible... the documentation in the guide for "Using the StyleManager" here: http://livedocs.macromedia.com/flex/20beta1/docs/1019.html#171182  is terribly inconsistent about what text to use to reference the styles. It uses "font-family", "fontFamily", "font-weight", "borderStyle"... What is it
 supposed to be?  thanks, Thunder  Quoted from the above mentioned page:   public function initializeStyles():void { // Initialize the global settings.  StyleManager.getStyleDeclaration("global").  setStyle("font-family", "Arial");  StyleManager.getStyleDeclaration("global").  setStyle("font-weight", "bold");   // Initialize all TextInput controls to have solid borders.  StyleManager.getStyleDeclaration("TextInput").  setStyle("borderStyle", "solid"); . . . To reset a style property of a CSSStyleDeclaration object, use the clearStyle() method, as the following example shows:  myComponent.clearStyle('color');
 myComponent.clearStyle('fontFamily') myComponent.clearStyle('themeColor') --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "thunderstumpgesatwork" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Guys,I'm quite confused and frustrated with these external style sheets.  The style name in the documentation sometimes matches the style name  you should use in the CSS file, but not usually... For example, I'm trying to set the background color for a  datagridcolumn via CSS. I have successfully set it via ActionScript  setStyle("backgroundColor",0x5A5A5A);Now, I have commented the above line out, and set the styleName  property to a CSS class defined as such:.PivotTableDimColumn  {   background-color: #5A5A5A;   color: #FF;  }What's
 strange is I know the CSS class is getting linked to the  column, because the "color" property is working... the text is white.  HOWEVER, the background color does not get set. I have tried  "backgroundColor" and "background-color"... which should it be and why  doesn't it work?How can I tell what the proper CSS style name should be based on the  documented style name in the ActionScript documentation? Is there a  separate CSS documentation somewhere that describes the "proper"  styles to use?thanks,  Thunder
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RE: [flexcoders] Flex 2: thread management, synchronous methods, etc

2006-03-16 Thread dos dedos

Hi TedRe: If the player was 20 times faster ... I'm sure you can build any language feature you need on top of a language that executed fast enough, but I think it's about more subtle things like the ease of programming and the elegance you can achieve out of the box ... Re: "N Threads - Network operations"I need to have a thread in my yet-to-be-built Flex UI that will constantly poll a Python server on the user's desktop (thru HTTPService) for screen updates, while the Flex UI remaining totally responsive to user interaction. This is instead of having to build server capability into the Flex UI, i.e. to allow the Python server to push updates to Flex (via binary socket). But then I also need to send requests to the Python server from the Flex UI (thru HTTPServicet) on demand (as the user invokes certain functions.)The point of what I'm trying to do is to allow the Flex UI to be updated in realtime by the Python server, while being
totally responsive to user interaction, while able to send requests to the Python server on the user's desktop (on demand synchronous method invocations) and while also being able to communicate with FES on the remote server.I'm trying to find out from if it's possible to have a separate "thread" that does constant polling (of new screen data), i.e. without interrupting the AS execution thread. This way I won't have to develop a custom push-pull protocol on top of binary socket (I would rather stick to HTTPService for simplicity) But if I can't run a separate thread for polling (via HTTPService) then I would have to resort to the do it yourself approach and implement a push0pull protocol on top of binary socket.. which is what I though you had done with SYNC/Python/Tiwsted ... waiting on when you'll release the source on IFBIN... I think the VNC example by Darron Schall must be using a custom protocol over binary socket to push screen data to the client ...
If that's the case I would sign up and check it out ...Luckily, I get to set my own deadlines ... else I woudl have been pulling my hair out :)ThanksMarcTed Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last I heard the Flash player was single threaded. If that's still true, the question of synchronization is moot.Multiple threads have been in the player for some time now. There are multiple threads in the flash player as follows:Single Thread of Execution AS Execution DisplayList RenderingN Threads of Execution Network operationsThese two types of player threads synchronize data by using the event model. In AVM1, onData, onLoad, onXML were all fired after data has arrived from network operations into the event processing area of the main execution
loop/thread.I posted a helpful article on the Player Mental Model here:http://www.powersdk.com/ted/2005/07/flash-player-mental-model-elastic.phpSeparate player instances are not limited in parallel code execution. If the need arise(most time it does not) you can have processing occurring in one player that runs in parallel to another player instance and communicate across SWF boundaries with LocalConnection. Loading one SWF file into another does not produce a separate player instances as the loaded SWF files simply extend the player they are loaded into. There is one and only one _level0! :) Flash needs to support both Async and Sync models: http://www.powersdk.com/ted/2005/11/macromedia-please-add.phpAs for threads in AS, I think this would be a mistake. The introduction of race conditions, blocking, and other techniques would not be ECMA compatible let alone easy to work with. The current direction of player development will introduce major
leaps in player performance that should remove the need for threading in the long run. At Spark Europe the Flash Player team talked a bit about Flash Player 9 and hardware based GPU rendering. In Player 8.5, graphics rendering is currently the limiting factor within the player as the performance ceiling on AS3 performance has been massively lifted ( Thanks Gary, Edwin, Team ). With hardware based rendering, the CPU based rendering will move to being GPU based for 2D operations. This will allow the player to internally cycle 20+ times faster and provide more resource to the ActionScript engine. We are very likely to see another huge multiple in player performance in Flash Player 9+ atop the performance gains in Flash Player 8.5. I think many are missing the fact that FP8.5 is laying the foundation for dramatic player performance moving forward. A better question to ask:If the player was 20 times faster than 8.5, would you still need
threads?Also at these speeds, we would have cycles to waste on Synchonous code. :)Just remember, Adobe is always listening! Speak up if you want something.My 2 cents,Cynergy Systems Corp.Theodore PatrickSr. Consultant[EMAIL PROTECTED]tel: 1.866.CYNERGYhttp://www.cynergysystems.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.2.1/278 - Release

Re: [flexcoders] HTTP (or socket) Client and Server in Flex UI

2006-03-16 Thread dos dedos

Hi Abdul :)I am not sure, if Flash Player can listen on particular socket. But what you can do is to start a session from Flash Player, then you can push data to player from server...Yes.. I'm leaning towards this approach UNLESS I find out that it's possible t o run an HTTPService polling loop as a thread separate from the AS execution thread I sent a message back to Ted Patrick on flexcoders about it...I'll check out your clientThanks a lotMarcAbdul Qabiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi,I am not sure, if Flash Player can listen on particular socket. But what you can do is to start a session from Flash Player, then you can push data to player from server...You can do p2p apps in Flash Player...two flash player cant communicate over socket, I
think that would be a cool feature but security concerns :) BTW! I wrote a HTTP client, dirty code actually..check out on my blog: http://www.abdulqabiz.com/blog/archives/flash_and_actionscript/http_authentica.php -abdulOn 3/16/06, dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Yikes! I forgot there are no threads in Flex! so a polling/listening loop won't work ... I would have to have a timer to poll periodically ... no so pretty ... :( dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Replying to my own tired brain:I should probably settle for polling!!1dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hey, does anyone have an idea how to build an HTTP (or socket) client + server inside a Flex app? I could use HTTPService for the client stuff but in my scenario I need to allow the Flex app to both send requests as well as receive them, so HTTPService is only half of the solution.. unless I'm missing something. I could use FES pub-sub to push data to the Flex app (and
HTTPService to pull data/make calls on demand) but I can't do that because of the additional cost of the FES deployment license (given that in my scenario the service would have to run on the user's desktop.) And I definitely want to avoid having to periodically poll for data from the Flex app. I believe that it can be done but that I would have to spend a good amount of time experimenting with it.. However, it seems like a common need so I'd like to find out if anyone has done it before? Thanks marc Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comSPONSORED LINKSWeb site design developmentComputer software developmentSoftware design and development
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2006-03-14 Thread dos dedos

The Flex/Flash company I was referring to (that was purchased recently by Google) is called MeasureMap (http://measuremap.com/) I had read about it on some blog a while ago that said it was based on Flex, but they don't have any demos yet (which would make sense if it's based on Flex 2)It's great to know that Yahoo is already working with Flex. I didn't know that. That was the second piece of evidence needed before concluding that Google, Yahoo and others have no issues incorporating Flex into their strategy. This conclusion is further supported by the recent announcement of the AJAX-Flex bridge.I have no doubt now that Google, Yahoo and others have already started working with Flex.Kevin Ewok [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it just me or doesn't Google seem like the type of company
that would not want to get involved with third party products such as Adobe and Flex. I would think they would never use Flex. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Schmalle" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Figure of speech... ;-)First you boild the water, then you add the pudding mix milk, then you stir with love, then you let simmer, then you refirgerate for half a day, then it taste mmm mm good.But, it wans't pudding to begin with, only if you read the directions first. :)Peace, MikeOn 3/13/06, dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Usable pudding? *Michael Schmalle [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: I think it will be 'the proof is in the pudding'. BTW, isn't it
the actual developers like us that make a technology seen and be competitive ? :) It's all in the implementation, meaning, users are conditioned to what they see and if they see usable flex2 apps in a year, paradigm shift happens. Peace, Mike On 3/13/06, dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree re: no envangelism However, it's very helpful for some of of us to understand the contextand not just the content of what we're getting into. :) *Nick Weekes [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: personally id rather not see a technology evangelism debate appear onthis forum, thats a little OT for my liking.
--*From:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *OnBehalf Of *Jignesh Dodiya*Sent:* 13 March 2006 18:17*To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com*Subject:* Re: [flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX? Jesse has really a mature idea on this..Don't u think, this forum can be more fruitfull if anybody from Adobe doshare his/her idea on this forum. Afterall its their duty to make peopleencourage to use flex over AJAX, and the community always likes to hear Flexexpert's comment on such intensive topic? On 3/13/06, dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yahoo has a lot of efforts in regards to Flex Flash, you just probably haven't read about them, is all, or they didn't get as widely publicized. That's what I wanted to find out ... thanks for pointing it out!!! *JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] * wrote: AJAX is here, works, has a large community, is an old technology and thus has a plethora of resources. Flex 2 isn't publicy out yet in an official capacity and Flex 1.5's price point excludes a lot of those types of endeavors. Yahoo uses both; they are a big company. Yahoo Maps utilized
Flex 1.5. They should of used Flash Player 8's bitmap features so it wasn't the best use of Flex, but it at least got us on the radar. They are also experiementing with updating some of the Java games to Flash. Again, neither Google nor Yahoo can utilize Flex 2 because even if they did, no one could see it. Flash Player 8.5 is beta, not publicly available, and you have to download the entire Flex 2 package just to get it (which is a good thing). Yahoo has a lot of efforts in regards to Flex Flash, you just probably haven't read about them, is all, or they didn't get as widely publicized. Bottom line, AJAX is here, has been
for awhile, and works. Flex 2 isn't even out yet. Sparkle's awesome, but you don't see people, even Microsoft, creating Sparkle apps. - Original Message - *From: * dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, March 13, 2006 12:24 PM *Subject:* [flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX? Google has purchased at least one company that uses Flash or Flex (a Web analytics startup) but their own internal efforts seem to be always focused on AJAX ... e.g. the latest Google Mars (http://www.google.com/mars/
) So it's fair to wonder why Google isn't doing more with Flex at this time ... and why Flickr (Yahoo) moved from Flash to AJAX ... especially given the fact that Flex 2 has a lot going for it from technical and end-user pe

[flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX?

2006-03-13 Thread dos dedos

Google has purchased at least one company that uses Flash or Flex (a Web analytics startup) but their own internal efforts seem to be always focused on AJAX ... e.g. the latest Google Mars (http://www.google.com/mars/)So it's fair to wonder why Google isn't doing more with Flex at this time ... and why Flickr (Yahoo) moved from Flash to AJAX ... especially given the fact that Flex 2 has a lot going for it from technical and end-user perspectives.Attitudes change over time and new technologies take a while to adopt, but it'd be nice to understand whether or not Google, Yahoo and others are consciously resisting Flex based on some non-technical reason (e.g. the fact that Flex is a proprietary platform whereas AJAX is not.)Google's and Yahoo's position doesn't matter all that much as far as market adoption for Flex, but it would be interesting to understand the strategic reasons why Google, Yahoo and other major players (e.g. eBay) have so far preferred to
stick with AJAX.An interesting position for Google and Yahoo would be to endorse AJAX half of the time and Flex the other half, or two thrids to one. This way they would keep the market from leaning too heavily in favor of either. But as of now, they're leaning too heavily in favor of AJAX, yet it's very possible that they'll release (or acquire) something based on Flex 2 in the future. I believe Sun has been very successful with Java on the server side ... Flex could become as popular on the client side as Java is on the server side if it's opened up in the style of the Java Community Process.Just curious if anyone has any insights about where Adobe may be going with Flex ... ?Marc
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Re: [flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX?

2006-03-13 Thread dos dedos

Yahoo has a lot of efforts in regards to Flex Flash, you just probably haven't read about them, is all, or they didn't get as widely publicized.That's what I wanted to find out ... thanks for pointing it out!!!JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AJAX is here, works, has a large community, is an old technology and thus has a plethora of resources. Flex 2 isn't publicy out yet in an official capacity and Flex 1.5's price point excludes a lot of those types of endeavors.
Yahoo uses both; they area big company. Yahoo Maps utilized Flex 1.5. They should of used Flash Player 8's bitmap features so it wasn't the best use of Flex, but it at least got us on the radar. They are also experiementing with updating some of the Java games to Flash. Again, neither Google nor Yahoo can utilize Flex 2 because even if they did, no one could see it. Flash Player 8.5 is beta, not publicly available, and you have to download the entire Flex 2 package just to get it (which is a good thing). Yahoo has a lot of efforts in regards to Flex Flash, you just probably haven't read about them, is all, or they didn't get as widely publicized.
Bottom line, AJAX is here, has been for awhile, and works. Flex 2 isn't even out yet. Sparkle's awesome, but you don't see people, even Microsoft, creating Sparkle apps. - Original Message - From: dos dedos To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent:
Monday, March 13, 2006 12:24 PM Subject: [flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX? Google has purchased at least one company that uses Flash or Flex (a Web analytics startup) but their own internal efforts seem to be always focused on AJAX ... e.g. the latest Google Mars (http://www.google.com/mars/)So it's fair to wonder why Google isn't doing more with Flex at this time ... and why Flickr (Yahoo) moved from Flash to AJAX ... especially given the fact that Flex 2 has a lot going for it from technical and end-user perspectives.Attitudes change over time and new technologies take a while to adopt, but it'd be nice to understand whether or not Google, Yahoo and others are consciously resisting Flex based on some non-technical reason (e.g. the fact that Flex is a proprietary platform whereas AJAX is not.)Google's and Yahoo's position doesn't matter all that much
as far as market adoption for Flex, but it would be interesting to understand the strategic reasons why Google, Yahoo and other major players (e.g. eBay) have so far prefer! red to stick with AJAX.An interesting position for Google and Yahoo would be to endorse AJAX half of the time and Flex the other half, or two thrids to one. This way they would keep the market from leaning too heavily in favor of either. But as of now, they're leaning too heavily in favor of AJAX, yet it's very possible that they'll release (or acquire) something based on Flex 2 in the future. I believe Sun has been very successful with Java on the server side ... Flex could become as popular on the client side as Java is on the server side if it's opened up in the style of the Java Community Process.Just curious if anyone has any insights about where Adobe may be going with Flex ... ?Marc Yahoo! MailBring photos to
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RE: [flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX?

2006-03-13 Thread dos dedos

I agree re: no envangelismHowever, it's very helpful for some of of us to understand the context and not just the content of what we're getting into. :)Nick Weekes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: personally id rather not see a technology evangelism debate appear on this forum, thats a little OT for my liking. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jignesh DodiyaSent: 13 March 2006
18:17To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX? Jesse has really a mature idea on this.. Don't u think, this forum can bemore fruitfull if anybody from Adobe do share his/her idea on this forum. Afterall its their duty to make people encourage to use flex over AJAX, and the community always likes to hear Flex expert's comment on such intensive topic? On 3/13/06, dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Yahoo has a lot
of efforts inregards to Flex Flash, you just probably haven't read about them, isall, or they didn't get as widely publicized. That's what I wanted to find out ... thanks forpointing it out!!! JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AJAX is here, works, has a large community, is an old technology and thus has a plethora of resources. Flex 2 isn't publicy out yet in an official capacity and Flex 1.5's price point excludes a lot of those types of endeavors.
Yahoo uses both; they area big company. Yahoo Maps utilized Flex 1.5. They should of used Flash Player 8's bitmap features so it wasn't the best use of Flex, but it at least got us on the radar. They are also experiementing with updating some of the Java games to Flash. Again, neither Google nor Yahoo can utilize Flex 2 because even if they did, no one could see it. Flash Player 8.5 is beta, not publicly available, and you have to download the entire Flex 2 package just to get it (which is a good thing). Yahoo has a lot of efforts in regards to Flex Flash, you just probably haven't read about them, is all, or they
didn't get as widely publicized. Bottom line, AJAX is here, has been for awhile, and works. Flex 2 isn't even out yet. Sparkle's awesome, but you don't see people, even Microsoft, creating Sparkle apps. - Original Message - From: dos dedos To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:24 PM Subject: [flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX? Google has purchased at least one company that uses Flash or Flex (a Web analytics startup) but their own internal efforts seem to be always focused on AJAX ... e.g. the latest Google Mars ( http://www.google.com/mars/)So it's fair to wonder why Google isn't doing more with Flex at this time ... and why Flickr (Yahoo) moved from Flash to AJAX ... especially given the fact that Flex 2 has a lot
going for it from technical and end-user perspectives. Attitudes change over time and new technologies take a while to adopt, but it'd be nice to understand whether or not Google, Yahoo and others are consciously resisting Flex based on some non-technical reason (e.g. the fact that Flex is a proprietary platform whereas AJAX is not.) Google's and Yahoo's position doesn't matter all that much as far as market adoption for Flex, but it would be interesting to understand the strategic reasons why Google, Yahoo and other major players (e.g. eBay) have so far prefer! red to stick with AJAX. An interesting position for Google and Yahoo would be to endorse AJAX half of the time and Flex the other half, or two thrids to one. This way they would keep the market from leaning too heavily in favor of either. But as of now, they're leaning too heavily in favor of AJAX, yet it's very possible that they'll
release (or acquire) something based on Flex 2 in the future. I believe Sun has been very successful with Java on the server side ... Flex could become as popular on the client side as Java is on the server side if it's opened up in the style of the Java Community Process.Just curious if anyone has any insights about where Adobe may be going with Flex ... ?Marc Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail
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Re: [flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX?

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Usable pudding?Michael Schmalle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I think it will be 'the proof is in the pudding'. BTW, isn't it the actual developers like us that make a technology seen and be competitive ? :) It's all in the implementation, meaning, users are conditioned to what they see and if they see usable flex2 apps in a year, paradigm shift happens. Peace, MikeOn 3/13/06, dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I agree re: no envangelismHowever, it's very helpful for some of of us to understand the context and not
just the content of what we're getting into. :) Nick Weekes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:personally id rather not see a technology evangelism debate appear on this forum, thats a little OT for my liking. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jignesh DodiyaSent: 13 March 2006 18:17To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX? Jesse has really a mature idea on this.. Don't u think, this forum can bemore fruitfull if anybody from Adobe do share his/her idea on this forum. Afterall its their duty to make people encourage to use flex over AJAX, and the community always likes to hear Flex expert's comment on such intensive topic? On 3/13/06, dos dedos
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yahoo has a lot of efforts in regards to Flex Flash, you just probably haven't read about them, is all, or they didn't get as widely publicized. That's what I wanted to find out ... thanks forpointing it out!!! JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AJAX is here, works, has a
large community, is an old technology and thus has a plethora of resources. Flex 2 isn't publicy out yet in an official capacity and Flex 1.5's price point excludes a lot of those types of endeavors. Yahoo uses both; they area big company. Yahoo Maps utilized Flex 1.5. They should of used Flash Player 8's bitmap features so it wasn't the best use of Flex, but it at least got us on the radar. They are also experiementing with updating some of the Java games to Flash. Again, neither Google nor Yahoo can utilize Flex 2 because even if they did, no one could see it. Flash Player 8.5 is beta, not publicly available, and you have to download the entire Flex 2 package just to get it (which is a good thing).
Yahoo has a lot of efforts in regards to Flex Flash, you just probably haven't read about them, is all, or they didn't get as widely publicized. Bottom line, AJAX is here, has been for awhile, and works. Flex 2 isn't even out yet. Sparkle's awesome, but you don't see people, even Microsoft, creating Sparkle apps.- Original Message - From: dos dedos To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:24 PM Subject: [flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX? Google has purchased at least one company that uses Flash or Flex (a Web analytics startup) but their own internal efforts seem to be always focused on AJAX ... e.g. the latest Google Mars (
http://www.google.com/mars/)So it's fair to wonder why Google isn't doing more with Flex at this time ... and why Flickr (Yahoo) moved from Flash to AJAX ... especially given the fact that Flex 2 has a lot going for it from technical and end-user perspectives. Attitudes change over time and new technologies take a while to adopt, but it'd be nice to understand whether or not Google, Yahoo and others are consciously resisting Flex based on some non-technical reason (e.g. the fact that Flex is a proprietary platform whereas AJAX is not.) Google's and Yahoo's position doesn't matter all that much as far as market adoption for Flex, but it would be interesting to understand the strategic reasons why Google, Yahoo and other major players (e.g. eBay) have so far prefer! red to stick with AJAX. An interesting position for Google and Yahoo would be to endorse AJAX half of the time and Flex the other half, or two thrids to one. This way they would keep the
market from leaning too heavily in favor of either. But as of now, they're leaning too heavily in favor of AJAX, yet it's very possible that they'll release (or acquire) something based on Flex 2 in the future. I believe Sun has been very successful with Java on the server side ... Flex could become as popular on the client side as Java is on the server side if it's opened up in the style of the Java Community Process.Just curious if anyone has any insights about where Adobe may be going with Flex ... ?Marc Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.--Flexcoders Mailing ListFAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txtSearch Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSOREDLINKS

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Thats' right! we're developers, we make our own pudding! :)Michael Schmalle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Figure of speech... ;-) First you boild the water, then you add the pudding mix milk, then you stir with love, then you let simmer, then you refirgerate for half a day, then it taste mmm mm good. But, it wans't pudding to begin with, only if you read the directions first. :) Peace, MikeOn 3/13/06, dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Usable pudding?Michael Schmalle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I think it will be 'the proof is in the pudding'. BTW, isn't it the actual developers like us that make a technology seen and be competitive ? :) It's all in the implementation, meaning, users are conditioned to what they see and if they see usable flex2 apps in a year, paradigm shift happens. Peace, MikeOn 3/13/06, dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I agree re: no envangelism However, it's very helpful for some of of us to understand the context and not just the content of what we're getting into. :) Nick Weekes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: personally id rather not see a technology evangelism debate appear on this forum, thats a little OT for my liking. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jignesh DodiyaSent: 13 March 2006 18:17To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX? Jesse has really a mature idea on this.. Don't u think, this forum can bemore fruitfull if anybody from Adobe do share his/her idea on this forum. Afterall its their duty to make people encourage to use flex over AJAX, and the community always likes to hear Flex expert's comment on such intensive topic? On 3/13/06, dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yahoo has a lot of efforts in regards to Flex Flash, you just probably haven't read about them, is all, or they didn't get as widely publicized. That's what I wanted to find out ... thanks forpointing it out!!! JesterXL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
AJAX is here, works, has a large community, is an old technology and thus has a plethora of resources. Flex 2 isn't publicy out yet in an official capacity and Flex 1.5's price point excludes a lot of those types of endeavors.Yahoo uses both; they area big company. Yahoo Maps utilized Flex 1.5. They should of used Flash Player 8's bitmap features so it wasn't the best use of Flex, but it at least got us on the radar. They are also experiementing with updating some of the Java games to Flash. Again, neither Google nor Yahoo can utilize Flex 2 because even if they
did, no one could see it. Flash Player 8.5 is beta, not publicly available, and you have to download the entire Flex 2 package just to get it (which is a good thing). Yahoo has a lot of efforts in regards to Flex Flash, you just probably haven't read about them, is all, or they didn't get as widely publicized. Bottom line, AJAX is here, has been for awhile, and works. Flex 2 isn't even out yet. Sparkle's awesome, but you don't see people, even Microsoft, creating Sparkle apps. - Original Message - From: dos dedos To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:24 PM Subject: [flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX? Google has purchased at least one company that uses Flash or Flex (a Web analytics startup) but their own internal efforts seem to be always focused on AJAX ... e.g. the
latest Google Mars ( http://www.google.com/mars/)So it's fair to wonder why Google isn't doing more with Flex at this time ... and why Flickr (Yahoo) moved from Flash to AJAX ... especially given the fact that Flex 2 has a lot going for it from technical and end-user perspectives. Attitudes change over time and new technologies take a while to adopt, but it'd be nice to understand whether or not Google, Yahoo and others are consciously resisting Flex based on some non-technical reason (e.g. the fact that Flex is a proprietary platform whereas AJAX is not.) Google's and Yahoo's position doesn't matter all that much as far as market adoption for Flex, but it would be interesting to understand the strategic reasons why Google, Yahoo and other major players (e.g. eBay) have so far prefer! red to stick with AJAX. An interesting position
for Google and Yahoo would be to endorse AJAX half of the time and Flex the other half, or two thrids to one. This way they would keep the market from leaning too heavily in favor of either. But as of now, they're leaning too heavily in favor of AJAX, yet it's very possible that they'll release (or acquire) something based on Flex 2 in the future. I believe Sun has been very successful with Java on the server side ... Flex could become as popular on the client side as Java is on the server side if it's opened up in the style of the Java Community Process.Just curious if anyone has any

RE: [flexcoders] Flex job posting ...

2006-03-12 Thread dos dedos

I pointed that person to 'cflex' per Ryan's suggestion and gave her Tariq's email address @ cflex to follow up. She was looking for someone with Flex and Java experience in SF bay area ... There seems to be some unmet demand for Flex + Java developers. Steven Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have a pretty relaxed attitude to job postings on flexcoders; if active members of the list want to make a post that says "hey, my company is hiring looking for a flex developer, are any of you interested ?" then that's more than fine. However, to avoid the "J2EE jobs" postings, we tend to have a trigger-happy ban approach to any recruitment agencies or agents that post (and in fairness, these posts are never usually flex related anyway). But if we get a sense that people have subscribed to the list, just to post a job advert, we're going to take a fairly dim view of it. Common sense prevails ... we'll do our best to ensure that the quality of postings to the list makes people actively track and contribute to it. Best wishes, Steven Sent: 10 March 2006 19:05To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: [flexcoders] Flex job posting ...Someone asked me today where they should post flex jobs ...For future reference, is this list the right place? how about theforum? Or is there another more suited place for job posts? Yahoo! MailBring photos to life! NewPhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com
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RE: [flexcoders] SEO strategies for RIA?

2006-03-10 Thread dos dedos

I believe the same problem exists with dynamically generated HTML pages. Some very complex database-driven sites are made of only one physical page, with content for all the different views (and the view templates) being pulled from the database. This way the only content that get indexed by Google is content associated the default view. Color Blind Bots?How about inserting HTML text contents in your index.htm in white font (on white background)? The index.htm would load the Flash SWF object but it would also contain text that is only visible to the search engine crawler. I think Google would index such page normally as it would any other HTML page, and when people click on the link in the Google search results they will be sent to index.htm and the SWF will load normally. They won't see the text content because it's white on white. I'm sure you can disable the vertical scroll bar.Would this work? =)MarcMatt
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to work with the vendors directly to come up with acceptable solutions.Matt From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JesterXL Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 2:22 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] SEO strategies for RIA?Jim Kremens asked Google how to index Flash sites. Here is quoted response from the Google Team:"The practice of creating HTML copies of these Flash pages for our crawler is actually our recommended solutions to this kind of issue. If you do this, please be sure to include a robots.txt file that disallows the Flash pages in order to ensure that these pages are not seen as duplicate content." - Original Message - From: Mykola Paliyenko To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [flexcoders] SEO strategies for RIA?Hi JohnMake sure that your hosting HTML page has good title, metadata,
filename, and especially good inbound links with anchor text of your desired search terms. Ok but what if we want the news on our RIA site to be indexed by Google, sure we can show another content to Google spiders but AFAIK it will be treated as a fraud, BMW site pagerank was set to zero by Google recently for the similar things. Does Adobe planing some mechanisms to deal with it in partnership with search engines? I think the best idea is just show them HTML to index, but that HTML shoud replicate the Flex site content, all we need is just not be treated as a fraud if we really
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Re: [flexcoders] SEO strategies for RIA?

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there you go!can you show an example of how to do that?Manish Jethani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/10/06, dos dedos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Color Blind Bots?  How about inserting HTML text contents in your index.htm in white font (on white background)? The index.htm would load the Flash SWF object but it would also contain text that is only visible to the search engine crawler.  So instead of white-on-white text, the better way to do it is to have normal text and have it replaced by the Flex SWF using _javascript_.  That's what FlashObject does. (FlashObject or something similar is required now after the new IE update anyway.)  Manish   
	
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Does that apply to Manish's proposed solution, too?Manish,If your solution is kosher by Google then it would be nice to have an example...ThanksMatt Chotin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Actually Google (and probably other engines) checks for stuff like that and throws it out. Too many unsavory sites do those kinds of tricks to get unsuspecting people.From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dos dedos Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 3:26 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] SEO strategies for RIA? I believe the same problem exists with dynamically generated HTML pages. Some very complex database-driven sites are made of only one physical page, with
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to work with the vendors directly to come up with acceptable solutions.Matt From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JesterXL Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 2:22 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] SEO strategies for RIA?Jim Kremens asked Google how to index Flash sites. Here is quoted
response from the Google Team:"The practice of creating HTML copies of these Flash pages for our crawler is actually our recommended solutions to this kind of issue. If you do this, please be sure to include a robots.txt file that disallows the Flash pages in order to ensure that these pages are not seen as duplicate content." - Original Message - From: Mykola Paliyenko To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [flexcoders] SEO strategies for RIA?
Hi JohnMake sure that your hosting HTML page has good title, metadata, filename, and especially good inbound links with anchor text of your desired search terms. Ok but what if we want the news on our RIA site to be indexed by Google, sure we can show another content to Google spiders but AFAIK it will be treated as a fraud, BMW site pagerank was set to zero by Google recently for the similar things. Does Adobe planing some mechanisms to deal with it in partnership with search engines? I think the best idea is just show them HTML to index, but that HTML shoud replicate the Flex site content, all we need is just not be treated as a fraud if we r! eally just replicate text content availiable on the same link for the common user. -- WBR, Mykola Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.
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[flexcoders] Flex job posting ...

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Re: [flexcoders] Flex job posting ...

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Thanks, RyanRyan Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The best resource I've seen is probably CFlex - http://www.cflex.net/They tend to have a pretty good listing and I would assume their traffic is high with flexers.-RyanFrom: dos dedos[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 7:05 PM -08:00To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: SPAM-LOW: [flexcoders] Flex job posting ... Someone asked me today where they should post flex jobs ... For future reference,
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Re: [flexcoders] Adobe Bridges Flash, Flex with AJAX

2006-03-09 Thread dos dedos

I agree that it's a politically clever move, but not so from a purely technical point of view.Since Flex Builder 2 is based on Eclipse and since there are several AJAX platforms that have plugins for Eclipse, I suppose that one of the AJAX tool vendors (e.g. Zimbra, Bindows et al) could develop an IDE based on Eclipse that would offer an integrated environment for developing mixed-mode AJAX-Flex2 applications.The idea behind this move, in my extra humble opinion, is to address developer "inertia" in moving from one tech to another by making it very tempting and easy to make the switch.Flex 2 is far more powerful than AJAX for many reasons including the following: shifts more of the functionality away from the server leaving it with less load [cross-domain stuff is useful here], offers async pub-sub, far more visual possibilities and cosistency across platforms.AJAX is fine for email applications and such, and possibly for fancier stuff than
we've seen to date (I have seen some advanced AJAX stuff under development that includes some really dynamic graphical elements, e.g. flowcharts, that can be graphically manipulated the user in realtime.) However, Flex can do a lot more as of today, so it is definitely far ahead of AJAX on several fronts, including graphics and distribution/decoupling.So by allowing AJAX developers easy transition/access to Flex (and vice versa) they are counting on the fact that Flex has far stronger pull effect than AJAX for most creative developers. I believe it's a smart strategy to move the creative types from AJAX to Flex. A 3rd party Eclipse AJAX/Flex 2 IDE would be very popular in both camps. For example, if Bindows or Zimbra decide to integrate Flex with their toolkits they may succeed in leading the RIA market.MarcRenaun Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Here is an article talking about Adobe's development of Flex-AJAX bridge frameworks. Adobe Bridges Flash, Flex with AJAX This is a great move by Adobe.
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Re: [flexcoders] This is my mistake.

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"Inculcate" is a scary word...flash6designeronline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All,  This is my mistake.  Here is the the link  http://www.fruition.in/openmacro.html  Let me know your thoughts.  Flash:)  
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