Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: FlightGear startup time

2005-05-27 Thread Martin Spott
Norman Vine wrote: You mean gcc isn't supported on IRIX ?? Once I had GCC on IRIX and I spent numerous hours trying to build FlightGear, dealing with dozends of ICE's. Now I use MIPSpro and I admit that I don't want to go back, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Anyone likes helping with italian scenery?

2005-05-27 Thread Robicd
Chris Metzler ha scritto: At one point, I used fgsd to do what I thought was some nice work in the Washington, D.C. area as preparatory to laying out ground structures I had done or was going to do. The course of the Potomac River is about 500m from its correct location in the FG scenery as is,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] More startup speed work

2005-05-27 Thread Erik Hofman
Andy Ross wrote: A final note: who else knows that there are *two* parsers for the RGB image file format linked into the FlightGear binary? One is this one from plib; the other is in SimGear, and is used (as far as I can see) only for the splash screen texture. They appear to be descended

[Flightgear-devel] CH pedals

2005-05-27 Thread Luuk van Hal
I got it working now, I made a mistake in patching the module joydev.o Now I have to adjust the xml files to get the 14 axes working. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Potential startup speed fix

2005-05-27 Thread Vivian Meazza
Andy Ross wrote Vivian Meazza wrote: Only a minute eh? Under Cygwin cvs takes nearly 5 minutes - time for a brew a coffee - and that's on a pretty powerful machine. Time from execution to fade in of the cockpit display is about 10 seconds on my laptop (1.8GHz Athlon64). I started trying

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: FlightGear startup time

2005-05-27 Thread Richard Bytheway
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Andy Ross Sent: 26 May 2005 17:33 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: FlightGear startup time Richard Bytheway wrote: Would it be possible to have a compiled

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Anyone likes helping with italian scenery?

2005-05-27 Thread Martin Spott
Robicd wrote: Anyway, I think the best way is to develop a new set of world elements description. The roads, the terrain boundaries, the terrain textures need a very deep restyling in order to attract users around the world. I am shure that just like Airplane's 3d models, the terrain

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Potential startup speed fix

2005-05-27 Thread Dave Culp
Airports and Navigation Data Total Before2 min 40 sec3 min 50 sec After 1 min 40 sec2 min 50 sec It's still the most significant part of the load process - can we be even more clever yet? How about an

[Flightgear-devel] RE: Mountainous areas

2005-05-27 Thread Corrubia, Stacie K
Regarding my problem with the scenery tar file --- I think it is a cygwin bug with gzip. I transferred the file to a dual boot machine with Linux Red Hat and was able to quickly and easily decompress the files once I renamed the file extensions to .tar.tgz (downloading the .tgz files to my

[Flightgear-devel] Re: Potential startup speed fix

2005-05-27 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Dave Culp -- Friday 27 May 2005 14:45: How about an un-clever solution? Can we just divide the existing data up into regions, You can do that already. and let the user select which regions he wants before start up? You can do that already. $ FG_ROOT=/foo/bar/Germany fgfs

Re: [Flightgear-devel] RE: Mountainous areas

2005-05-27 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Corrubia, Stacie K wrote: Regarding my problem with the scenery tar file --- I think it is a cygwin bug with gzip. I transferred the file to a dual boot machine with Linux Red Hat and was able to quickly and easily decompress the files once I renamed the file extensions to .tar.tgz

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Potential startup speed fix

2005-05-27 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Norman Vine wrote: On Thursday 26 May 2005 22:48, Andy Ross wrote: Attached is a patch that pre-reads the directory contents ahead of time (currently that is a list of length zero) to avoid having to hit the kernel (twice!) for every airport. Under Linux, this doesn't provide much

[Flightgear-devel] RE: Re: Scenery size constraints

2005-05-27 Thread Alberico, James F
Melchior Franz wrote: I'm sure he meant boeing.com (hey, Stacie was first!). Now with Boeing and Sikorsky on board, where is EADS/Airbus? Come on! We know you are here! And Fokker!? And *cough* Diamond *cough* ... ;-) If this community keeps up the excellent work, I'm sure everyone will jump

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Potential startup speed fix

2005-05-27 Thread Richard Bytheway
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Curtis L. Olson snip i.e. you fire up Word to edit your 100Mb power point presentation. snip Yep, that sounds like a Windows user... Richard

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Scenery size constraints

2005-05-27 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Melchior FRANZ wrote: I'm sure he meant boeing.com (hey, Stacie was first!). Now with Boeing and Sikorsky on board, where is EADS/Airbus? Come on! We know you are here! And Fokker!? And *cough* Diamond *cough* ... ;-) I get the sense (from little bits and pieces I've gleaned over time)

Re: [Flightgear-devel] RE: Re: Scenery size constraints

2005-05-27 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Alberico, James F wrote: If this community keeps up the excellent work, I'm sure everyone will jump aboard sooner or later!! Gee Brain, what do you want to do tonight? The same thing we do every night Pinky ... http://www-public.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de/~fischeni/ :-) Curt. -- Curtis

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: FlightGear startup time

2005-05-27 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Tue, 24 May 2005 14:26:17 +0200, Melchior wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: * Norman Vine -- Tuesday 24 May 2005 14:05: I guess I should mention the deficiencies of non MSoft OSs but I will leave the *flames* for another time :-) Yeah, don't bother.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear startup time

2005-05-27 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Harald JOHNSEN wrote: Another problem not related to pure performance is that the first retrieval of metar data can block FG for a long time (perhaps one minute) when the metar server is not accessible (or when there is any network problem). The code does a lot of (useless) retries. Perhaps

Re: [Flightgear-devel] working with the property tree

2005-05-27 Thread Curtis L. Olson
bass pumped wrote: Been reading that. What I need to do is to create a separate area in the property tree to map user inputs and send the relevant ones (and the current state vector of the aircraft) out for processing to a different computer. The other computer would then return two modified

[Flightgear-devel] Mathworks Interface

2005-05-27 Thread John Wojnaroski
I just got back from a Mathworks matlab/simulink symposium in LA this week. (Thank you John, Alex, and Trisha for all your efforts! And I have to thank Mathworks who went all out to help us get John's 747 sim down to the show and make it a success.) And don't forget those great lunches and

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Questions about IO system

2005-05-27 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Mike, Have a look at docs-mini/README.IO for the specific command line syntax, but yes, for task #1 you can setup FG to expect control inputs to come in via an FGNetCtrls packet (which you can send from your remote java application.) You can specify the rate at which FG checks for incoming

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Scenery size constraints

2005-05-27 Thread Jon Berndt
directly. We aren't trying to eventually replace JSBsim with a proprietary flight dynamics model here so please, I don't want anyone to worry. :-) coughJon/cough :-) My main goal for attending this show was to show the flexibility and adaptability of FlightGear as an engineering and rapid

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Potential startup speed fix

2005-05-27 Thread Andy Ross
Vivian Meazza wrote: The results of this patch are very encouraging: Airports and Navigation Data Total Before2 min 40 sec3 min 50 sec After 1 min 40 sec2 min 50 sec It's still the most significant part of

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Potential startup speed fix

2005-05-27 Thread Andy Ross
I wrote: Attached is a little perl script that does that. Untested. Use it as someting like: Oops. Andy fgapt.pl Description: Perl program ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Potential startup speed fix

2005-05-27 Thread Erik Hofman
Andy Ross wrote: The apt.dat.gz file is big, certainly. It has 165976 lines, only 91813 of which are actually used by the parser*. * So in principle you can get another 2x speedup by pruning the file from the raw X-Plane version. Attached is a little perl script that does that.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Potential startup speed fix

2005-05-27 Thread Ralf Gerlich
Erik Hofman schrieb: [SNIP] I had that on the back of my mind for some time now and decided to implement it today. Lines that are not needed for FlightGear are not tokenized anymore which should provide at least some speedup again. I've also changed the if tests from strings comparison to int

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Potential startup speed fix

2005-05-27 Thread Erik Hofman
Ralf Gerlich wrote: Unfortunately that seems to break skipping the blank lines which are in the standard apt.dat-files. I get an Unknown line in file:-message when the reader encounters the first blank line after the version line. Odd, I don't see that, are you using Windows or MacOS? Erik

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3D view goes away by itself

2005-05-27 Thread Dave Culp
Thanks Curt and Phil. After looking around in the view manager and trying many different combinations of XML settings, I finally took the easy way out and changed the airborne clip plane distance in renderer.cxx to 0.5, rather than 10. That solves my problem, but don't know if anyone else

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Potential startup speed fix

2005-05-27 Thread Erik Hofman
Ralf Gerlich wrote: Unfortunately that seems to break skipping the blank lines which are in the standard apt.dat-files. I get an Unknown line in file:-message when the reader encounters the first blank line after the version line. Obviously in.getline() includes the carriage return (checked

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Potential startup speed fix

2005-05-27 Thread Ralf Gerlich
Erik Hofman schrieb: Ralf Gerlich wrote: Unfortunately that seems to break skipping the blank lines which are in the standard apt.dat-files. I get an Unknown line in file:-message when the reader encounters the first blank line after the version line. Odd, I don't see that, are you using

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Potential startup speed fix

2005-05-27 Thread Ralf Gerlich
Erik Hofman schrieb: These issues should be fixed now. That was the second alternative I wanted to propose ;-) Ralf ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Scenery size constraints

2005-05-27 Thread Martin Spott
Hello Curt, thanks for your resume ! Curtis L. Olson wrote: I just got back from a Mathworks matlab/simulink symposium in LA this week. (Thank you John, Alex, and Trisha for all your efforts! And I have to thank Mathworks who went all out to help us get John's 747 sim down to the show

[Flightgear-devel] Autopilot

2005-05-27 Thread Vance Souders
I want to implement an acrobatic AI autopilot and was debating a few different ways of tackling the problem. I was thinking of either creating a spline based system or tuning the current autopilot to fit my needs. In a spline based system, the user can sit in the cockpit as the plane flies

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Anyone likes helping with italian scenery?

2005-05-27 Thread Oliver C.
On Thursday 26 May 2005 23:21, Frederic Bouvier wrote: I found that there are more dynamic libraries under Linux than under Windows, and that they are distribution dependant. If you can compile something statically, I am ready to put it on sourceforge for download. -Fred Ok, i tried first

[Flightgear-devel] Cygwin slowness

2005-05-27 Thread Andy Ross
Well, there's some progress. I have a cygwin build, and it's every bit at slow as Vivian says it is. And I've kinda/sorta isolated the problem. Here's a program: // g++ -o aptdat aptdat.cc -I$FG/SimGear -L$FG/lib -lsgmisc -lz #include simgear/misc/sgstream.hxx #include

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3D view goes away by itself

2005-05-27 Thread Jim Wilson
From: Dave Culp Thanks Curt and Phil. After looking around in the view manager and trying many different combinations of XML settings, I finally took the easy way out and changed the airborne clip plane distance in renderer.cxx to 0.5, rather than 10. That solves my problem, but don't

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Scenery size constraints

2005-05-27 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Martin Spott wrote: Hello Curt, thanks for your resume ! Oops, did I misclick with this stupid laptop touch pad and attach my resume by mistake? That sounds interesting, but it's not completely clear to me what they acutally did to achieve this ;-) Did they create an interface within

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot

2005-05-27 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Vance Souders wrote: I want to implement an acrobatic AI autopilot and was debating a few different ways of tackling the problem. I was thinking of either creating a spline based system or tuning the current autopilot to fit my needs. In a spline based system, the user can sit in the cockpit

[Flightgear-devel] Modifying nav.dat file and waypoints

2005-05-27 Thread YENEW T KASSAYE
Hello Everyone. Has anyone attempted to modify the listings in nav.dat file and run flightgear 0.9.8? I am trying to edit the nav.dat file. My idea is to create waypoints for the autopilot to follow by using the NAV 1 CD1 Course and NAV 1 Glide Slope. Right now, there are a bunch of airports, GS,

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Cygwin slowness

2005-05-27 Thread Vivian Meazza
Andy Ross wrote: Well, there's some progress. I have a cygwin build, and it's every bit at slow as Vivian says it is. And I've kinda/sorta isolated the problem. Here's a program: // g++ -o aptdat aptdat.cc -I$FG/SimGear -L$FG/lib -lsgmisc -lz #include simgear/misc/sgstream.hxx

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Cygwin slowness

2005-05-27 Thread Andy Ross
I wrote: The bottom line is that this is a cygwin bug and we can't fix it, sorry. Hopefully someone with more love for this platform than I (I've done my time, heh) can forward this to them and get it fixed. No, that's dumb. I may not like windows, but cygwin is one of the few things that

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Anyone likes helping with italian scenery?

2005-05-27 Thread AJ MacLeod (email lists)
On Friday 27 May 2005 21:01, Oliver C. wrote: First, installing CGAL systemwide is a nightmare, so i decided against it to do that. Probably wisely. At least, I did the same... After that i went back to compile fgsd. But now i get the following compiler error: The used gcc version is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Scenery size constraints

2005-05-27 Thread Martin Spott
Curtis L. Olson wrote: Martin Spott wrote: Hello Curt, thanks for your resume ! Oops, did I misclick with this stupid laptop touch pad and attach my resume by mistake? :-)) No, you didn't, I was just echoing the funny habit of a British colleague in the way he translates the French word

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Anyone likes helping with italian scenery?

2005-05-27 Thread Oliver C.
On Saturday 28 May 2005 00:18, AJ MacLeod (email lists) wrote: If you'd read the README you'd have seen a note to that effect; apparently 3.2 and 3.4 are OK, but 3.3 produce this error. No, I didn't read the README either, until after I'd found this out the hard way! Thank you for the info.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3D view goes away by itself

2005-05-27 Thread Dave Culp
I finally took the easy way out and changed the airborne clip plane distance in renderer.cxx to 0.5, rather than 10. That solves my problem, but don't know if anyone else would like that move The issue would only be related to the width of the Z buffer. I was running a Voodoo card

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Potential startup speed fix

2005-05-27 Thread Durk Talsma
I just did a quick test and it looks like the parking and rwyuse files are not yet picked up by the patch. I'm likely to have a chance to look into this tomorrow. I'm out of town for the rest of the day. Cheers, Durk On Thursday 26 May 2005 22:48, Andy Ross wrote: Unfortunately, because there

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Cygwin slowness

2005-05-27 Thread Andy Ross
I wrote: No, that's dumb. I may not like windows, but cygwin is one of the few things that makes it bearable. :) [...] I'll try to dig up a cygwin mailing list to which to submit this. Well, I submitted it. Alas, it didn't go well. You can follow the flame war here: