Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..Groklawyers warns GPL developers against

2005-01-28 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:15:41 + (UTC), Martin wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > ..amen, fact update: > > http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050121014650517 ..I forgot http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.html , another part of Sun's recent history.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..Groklawyers warns GPL developers against

2005-01-28 Thread Martin Spott
Arnt Karlsen wrote: > ..amen, fact update: > http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050121014650517 Great, we finally now have the chance to come to the point of the whole issue. The article contains nothing new and, most important, it doesn't contain a single hint why I could be at risk afte

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..Groklawyers warns GPL developers against

2005-01-28 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:53:58 + (UTC), Martin wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > ..true, the problem remains how Sun's new licensing and patenting > > regime plays out, not how their good old benevolent ways did. > > Please have a look at the facts before sprea

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..Groklawyers warns GPL developers against

2005-01-28 Thread Martin Spott
Arnt Karlsen wrote: > ..true, the problem remains how Sun's new licensing and patenting > regime plays out, not how their good old benevolent ways did. Please have a look at the facts before spreading FUD, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! ---

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..Groklawyers warns GPL developers against

2005-01-28 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 07:12:33 + (UTC), Martin wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:49:36 + (UTC), Martin wrote in message > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > > > > > ..precisely, _just_ like Vidkun Lauritz Abraham

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..Groklawyers warns GPL developers against

2005-01-28 Thread Erik Hofman
Dave Martin wrote: Its a shame that (the) Sun is slowly burning away. I just hope that not too many more *nix based business are going to go the same way. (I'm still trying to buy a good SGI 02 but I'm having no luck) You could check this site every once in a while: http://forums.nekochan.net/vie

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..Groklawyers warns GPL developers against

2005-01-27 Thread Martin Spott
Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:49:36 + (UTC), Martin wrote in message > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Arnt Karlsen wrote: >> >> > ..precisely, _just_ like Vidkun Lauritz Abraham Jonssn >> > Quisling helped save _several _million_ Ukrainians from starvation >> > deaths in the early 1

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..Groklawyers warns GPL developers against

2005-01-27 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 02:09:14 +, Dave wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Friday 28 Jan 2005 01:34, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > Well, here's thanking you for having the backbone to look after your > operation. .. ;o) > Its a shame that (the) Sun is slowly burning away. I just hope that > n

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..Groklawyers warns GPL developers against

2005-01-27 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:49:36 + (UTC), Martin wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > ..precisely, _just_ like Vidkun Lauritz Abraham Jonssn > > Quisling helped save _several _million_ Ukrainians from starvation > > deaths in the early 1920ies, Norway only lost abou

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..Groklawyers warns GPL developers against

2005-01-27 Thread Dave Martin
On Friday 28 Jan 2005 01:34, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > Did Sun do anything wrong to you, did they steal your sandwitch ? > > ..no, they haven't done me any harm except as a member of the F/OSS > world and except for funding TSCOG's scam lawsuit by "buying" a > US$ 12 mill "license", forcing me to sp

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..Groklawyers warns GPL developers against

2005-01-27 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:31:46 + (UTC), Martin wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > ..we don't know their patent claims, and the advice from Groklaw > > is "don't look, or you'll pay 3 times more for wilful infringement." > > yes, but in a different context.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..Groklawyers warns GPL developers against

2005-01-27 Thread Martin Spott
Arnt Karlsen wrote: > ..precisely, _just_ like Vidkun Lauritz Abraham Jonssn Quisling > helped > save _several _million_ Ukrainians from starvation deaths in the early > 1920ies, Norway only lost about 20,000 in WWII and still shot him, I don't doubt, but these incidents will never prevent me f

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..Groklawyers warns GPL developers against

2005-01-27 Thread Martin Spott
Arnt Karlsen wrote: > ..we don't know their patent claims, and the advice from Groklaw > is "don't look, or you'll pay 3 times more for wilful infringement." yes, but in a different context. You should have a clue before repeating such claims. > ..the prudent way is, let Sun do the porting

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..Groklawyers warns GPL developers against

2005-01-27 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:02:34 + (UTC), Martin wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > ..if our sol8 port works for sol9 and sol10 and OpenSolaris, we're > > home free, whether or not this continues to be the case, Sun > > decides. _If_ they decide to introduce Micro

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..Groklawyers warns GPL developers against

2005-01-27 Thread Martin Spott
Martin Spott wrote: > [...] And _if_ we realize > that there are users having access to a workstation that is capable of > running FlightGear (as the requirements for FlightGear have grown > rapidly I assume you need at least an XVR-1000 board), While I'm at it I just read the following par

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..Groklawyers warns GPL developers against Sun's

2005-01-27 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:38:11 -0800, Andy wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > ..riiight, we all can agree on that, now try keeep in mind _none_ of > > us are IBM, and The SCO Group is still running its 2 yr old Â419 > > scam in the 9'th Circuit Court before Judge Kimbal

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..Groklawyers warns GPL developers against

2005-01-27 Thread Martin Spott
Arnt Karlsen wrote: > ..if our sol8 port works for sol9 and sol10 and OpenSolaris, we're home > free, whether or not this continues to be the case, Sun decides. _If_ > they decide to introduce Microsoft-style "DR-DOS errors" against us, > my recommendation is we pull _all_ Solaris support, and go

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..Groklawyers warns GPL developers against Sun's

2005-01-27 Thread Andy Ross
Arnt Karlsen wrote: > ..riiight, we all can agree on that, now try keeep in mind _none_ of > us are IBM, and The SCO Group is still running its 2 yr old Â419 > scam in the 9'th Circuit Court before Judge Kimball in SLC, Utah. Relax. Under no circumstances will we be any more exposed than if we po

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..Groklawyers warns GPL developers against Sun's

2005-01-27 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:12:49 + (UTC), Martin wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > ..this Groklaw thread suggests we cannot do a GPL port to Sun's new > > OpenSolaris, as we risk lawsuits: > > No, and the reason is stated here: > > >> Because Sun is not opening

Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..Groklawyers warns GPL developers against Sun's

2005-01-26 Thread Martin Spott
Arnt Karlsen wrote: > ..this Groklaw thread suggests we cannot do a GPL port to Sun's new > OpenSolaris, as we risk lawsuits: No, and the reason is stated here: >> Because Sun is not opening their patents to the entire open source >> community under any license, anyone who works on CDDL code and

[Flightgear-devel] ..Groklawyers warns GPL developers against Sun's "OpenSolaris" patents

2005-01-26 Thread Arnt Karlsen
Hi, ..this Groklaw thread suggests we cannot do a GPL port to Sun's new OpenSolaris, as we risk lawsuits: > Hold yer horses > > Authored by: ctrawick on Wednesday, January 26 2005 @ 09:56 AM EST > > Don't go browsing uspto.gov quite yet. They do NOT appear to be > actually releasing it to the