Re: Not a good idea (was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Advertisements on the FG web site?)

2004-07-20 Thread Jim Wilson
David Megginson said: So, in the end, my advice is not to do it. If you want to make a living or partial living from FlightGear, set up a separate commercial site and be prepared to learn about CRM, tax laws, incorporation laws, legal fees, insurance, NDA's, contracts, and all the other

Re: Not a good idea (was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Advertisements on the FG web site?)

2004-07-20 Thread David Megginson
Jim Wilson wrote: You see, at least on the federal level you can collect quite a large sum of money as gifts before you have to put anything on your tax return. I am not intimately familiar with U.S. tax laws, but I would be very surprised if the IRS allowed Curt to count advertising revenue as a

Re: Not a good idea (was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Advertisements on the FG web site?)

2004-07-20 Thread Jim Wilson
David Megginson said: Jim Wilson wrote: You see, at least on the federal level you can collect quite a large sum of money as gifts before you have to put anything on your tax return. I am not intimately familiar with U.S. tax laws, but I would be very surprised if the IRS allowed Curt

Re: Not a good idea (was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Advertisements on the FG web site?)

2004-07-20 Thread David Megginson
Jim Wilson wrote: Maybe I've missed something in this thread, I am not talking about a consulting business with customers, time billing, etc. The thread started with Curt posting asking for opinions about running banner ads on flightgear.org to raise revenue. He also indicated that he'd be

Re: Not a good idea (was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Advertisements on the FG web site?)

2004-07-20 Thread Jim Wilson
David Megginson said: check with people who know. I don't know U.S. professional fees that well, but I'd guess that a full audit would leave a person at least USD 5K-10K poorer just in accounting and/or legal fees, even if the auditors do not end up finding anything wrong. Well...not

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Advertisements on the FG web site?

2004-07-19 Thread Martin Spott
Curtis L. Olson wrote: If we put banner adds on our web site, and one of our visiters clicks through and buys something from this company (being referred from our site) then we would get a 10% commission from the sale. I don't have any objections agains this idea. I just a bit unsure if

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Advertisements on the FG web site?

2004-07-17 Thread Erik Hofman
Curtis L. Olson wrote: Yes, in my most recent reply to this company, I asked specifically about FG support (and support for operating systems not owned and operated by MS.) It's not necessarily clear from their web page exactly how their products interface with the computer and how they work

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Advertisements on the FG web site?

2004-07-17 Thread Erik Hofman
Boris Koenig wrote: Getting even more extreme, one might ponder about offering that said company to integrate their webpage address or even company logo directly into some of the future official FlightGear releases. No, No No. Never. This is not going to happen. Erik

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Advertisements on the FG web site?

2004-07-17 Thread Boris Koenig
Erik Hofman wrote: Boris Koenig wrote: Getting even more extreme, one might ponder about offering that said company to integrate their webpage address or even company logo directly into some of the future official FlightGear releases. No, No No. Never. This is not going to happen. lol, didn't

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Advertisements on the FG web site?

2004-07-17 Thread Erik Hofman
Boris Koenig wrote: SO, instead of taking my mail apart and telling me what's NOT going to happen it might be more helpful for the final outcome to make new suggestions Not really. If you have spent the amount of money on FlightGear as I have done then you may make any suggestion you like. Until

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Advertisements on the FG web site?

2004-07-17 Thread Boris Koenig
Erik Hofman wrote: Boris Koenig wrote: SO, instead of taking my mail apart and telling me what's NOT going to happen it might be more helpful for the final outcome to make new suggestions Not really. If you have spent the amount of money on FlightGear as I have done then you may make any

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Advertisements on the FG web site?

2004-07-17 Thread Erik Hofman
Boris Koenig wrote: Erik Hofman wrote: instead of some bozo who just noticed the existence of our project This is really getting funny - I didn't expect to have that much fun here... (No I'm not referring to you in this case). Thanks, that's really nice :-) In case you didn't notice it, I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Advertisements on the FG web site?

2004-07-17 Thread Boris Koenig
Erik Hofman wrote: Somebody who types faster than he reads wrote: Thanks, that's really nice :-) In case you didn't notice it, I really wasn't referring to you. Well, thanks for the explanation - but I guess I understood you correctly :-) The only problem I have with you, is that you say too much

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Advertisements on the FG web site?

2004-07-17 Thread Norman Vine
Boris Koenig writes: Ya, I see - and somehow even gotta agree ... having meanwhile tried to summarize the Nasal extensions that I would *minimally* need, Hey I've got an idea ! Why don't you commission one of the FlightGear developers to write the extensions you seem to *need* and pay for

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Advertisements on the FG web site?

2004-07-17 Thread Boris Koenig
Norman Vine wrote: Boris Koenig writes: Ya, I see - and somehow even gotta agree ... having meanwhile tried to summarize the Nasal extensions that I would *minimally* need, Hey I've got an idea ! I am listening ;-) Why don't you commission one of the FlightGear developers to write the

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Advertisements on the FG web site?

2004-07-17 Thread Norman Vine
Boris Koenig writes: Boris Koenig writes: Ya, I see - and somehow even gotta agree ... having meanwhile tried to summarize the Nasal extensions thatsee I would *minimally* need, _I_ don't *need* a certain extension, so which is it see quote above but rather would like to be

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Advertisements on the FG web site?

2004-07-17 Thread David Megginson
Boris Koenig wrote: But on the other hand I followed the whole discussion about FlightGear financing and had to notice that most people simply tend to object against any suggestions that are being made, INSTEAD of making better suggestions themselves. I might have missed a message, but I do not

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Advertisements on the FG web site?

2004-07-16 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Curtis L. Olson wrote: I want to bring a new subject before the group. In the past we have discussed potential income sources for the FG project, so I think it's fair to discuss another option since the opportunity has introduced itself today. There is a company that makes hardware (3d

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Advertisements on the FG web site?

2004-07-16 Thread Lee Elliott
On Friday 16 July 2004 22:02, Curtis L. Olson wrote: I want to bring a new subject before the group. In the past we have discussed potential income sources for the FG project, so I think it's fair to discuss another option since the opportunity has introduced itself today. There is a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Advertisements on the FG web site?

2004-07-16 Thread Chris Metzler
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 16:02:31 -0500 Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any thoughts? Any strong feelings? We get a pretty good chunk of daily hits so we do have some referring power to swing around. What do you think? Wrong way down the slippery slope? Good idea? I'll buy

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Advertisements on the FG web site?

2004-07-16 Thread Ampere K. Hardraade
On July 16, 2004 05:17 pm, Frederic Bouvier wrote: Would it be a single company or a space broker ? Would you be able to control the content of the advertisement ? I am not opposed if it is related to aviation or computing. -Fred What he said. If we do go ahead with this idea, would it

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Advertisements on the FG web site?

2004-07-16 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Lee Elliott wrote: IMO, money exists and until there's either a well thought out alternative, or no further need for it, you might as well try to get along with it. Clever way to put it. :-) However, there is a degree of implied endorsement and association so I think that anything 'endorsed'

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Advertisements on the FG web site?

2004-07-16 Thread Vivian Meazza
Lee Elliott wrote Sent: 16 July 2004 22:18 To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Advertisements on the FG web site? On Friday 16 July 2004 22:02, Curtis L. Olson wrote: I want to bring a new subject before the group. In the past we have discussed

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Advertisements on the FG web site?

2004-07-16 Thread Lee Elliott
On Friday 16 July 2004 22:41, Curtis L. Olson wrote: Lee Elliott wrote: IMO, money exists and until there's either a well thought out alternative, or no further need for it, you might as well try to get along with it. Clever way to put it. :-) However, there is a degree of implied

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Advertisements on the FG web site?

2004-07-16 Thread Christian Mayer
Curtis L. Olson schrieb: I want to bring a new subject before the group. [...] If we put banner adds on our web site, and one of our visiters clicks through and buys something from this company (being referred from our site) then we would get a 10% commission from the sale. I believe there is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Advertisements on the FG web site?

2004-07-16 Thread Lee Elliott
Speaking as a user/contributor - not as a member of the project, so this is just my personal opinion: Assuming there are no Linux drivers, how would they feel about GPL'd ones? Personally, while I much prefer GPL software and would really like it if they did GPL a Linux driver, I'm not

Re: Not a good idea (was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Advertisements on the FG web site?)

2004-07-16 Thread Lee Elliott
On Friday 16 July 2004 23:45, David Megginson wrote: Curtis L. Olson wrote: But any way you cut it, putting advertisements on our web site will change the look and feel of our web site and probably influence the impression our project projects to the world ... Yes, it will make a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Advertisements on the FG web site?

2004-07-16 Thread Boris Koenig
Good morining, just dropping in from one of the other timezones ;-) I've also got some thoughts regarding this whole sponsoring idea, and to be direct: I do have to admit that I wouldn't have any problems with such a model, actually it's just a couple of days ago that I talked to other FlightGear

Re: Not a good idea (was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Advertisements on the FG web site?)

2004-07-16 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 23:53:51 +0100, Lee wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Friday 16 July 2004 23:45, David Megginson wrote: ...wisdom omitted... These are good points. Glad it's not my call. ..amen. ..they want banner ads, they ship us free hardware and pay us to write GPL drivers

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Advertisements on the FG web site?

2004-07-16 Thread John Wojnaroski
Curtis wrote: I want to bring a new subject before the group. In the past we have discussed potential income sources for the FG project, so I think it's fair to discuss another option since the opportunity has introduced itself today. There is a company that makes hardware (3d glasses,