Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/b1900d b1900d-set.xml, 1.32,

2008-09-22 Thread Martin Spott
Syd, Syd Adams wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/b1900d In directory baron.flightgear.org:/tmp/cvs-serv18391 Modified Files: b1900d-set.xml b1900d.xml b1900dsplash.rgb instrumentation.xml Removed Files: b1900d-sound.xml Log Message: Converting to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/b1900d b1900d-set.xml, 1.32,

2008-09-22 Thread Erik Hofman
Martin Spott wrote: Syd, Converting to OSG , a lot of small updates stll to do... Added a simple nasal gpws since the mk-viii appears to misbehave... Did you already communicate the issue about the MK-VIII to other developers in order to get it fixed ? Yes, please report any

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/b1900d b1900d-set.xml, 1.32,

2008-09-22 Thread James Turner
On 22 Sep 2008, at 08:20, Erik Hofman wrote: Did you already communicate the issue about the MK-VIII to other developers in order to get it fixed ? Yes, please report any problems that (seems to) have been introduced recently, there was a lot of needed overhauling and just leaving it buggy

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear on 32 bits versus 64 bits system

2008-09-22 Thread gerard robin
On mercredi 17 septembre 2008, gerard robin wrote: Hello, Running without any problem with FG on a 32 bits computer (which my usual computer) recently, I have had to build FlightGear on a 64 bit computer with FC9. Both computers have the same GPU (Nvidia 7800 GS AGP 8). I was disappointed

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/b1900d b1900d-set.xml, 1.32,

2008-09-22 Thread Heiko Schulz
Martin Spott wrote: Syd, Converting to OSG , a lot of small updates stll to do... Added a simple nasal gpws since the mk-viii appears to misbehave... Did you already communicate the issue about the MK-VIII to other developers in order to get it fixed ? Yes,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/b1900d b1900d-set.xml, 1.32,

2008-09-22 Thread Erik Hofman
Heiko Schulz wrote: So much as I know James Turner is working on that. And the MKVIII was never ever working right, I can understand Syd doing a workaround. Last time I heard he was awaiting feedback. Erik - This

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear on 32 bits versus 64 bits system

2008-09-22 Thread AJ MacLeod
On Monday 22 September 2008 12:16:13 gerard robin wrote: Again on that topic, i was wrong about 64 bit , which has nothing to do with the stutter/jitter within FG. That's true (since we've seen the same stuttering on 32 bit machines as well). However, even though in your case disabling fancy

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear on 32 bits versus 64 bits system

2008-09-22 Thread Curtis Olson
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 7:54 AM, AJ MacLeod wrote: On Monday 22 September 2008 12:16:13 gerard robin wrote: Again on that topic, i was wrong about 64 bit , which has nothing to do with the stutter/jitter within FG. That's true (since we've seen the same stuttering on 32 bit machines as

Re: [Flightgear-devel] menu/dialog properties

2008-09-22 Thread Geoff
On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 16:45 -0400, Geoff wrote: Hello all - I have added a menu item to the Environment which brings up a dialog with some data fields for the user to fill in. My question is: what do I do when the property field doesn't exist? How do I create a new one and where can I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] menu/dialog properties

2008-09-22 Thread Curtis Olson
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 8:05 AM, Geoff wrote: On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 16:45 -0400, Geoff wrote: Hello all - I have added a menu item to the Environment which brings up a dialog with some data fields for the user to fill in. My question is: what do I do when the property field doesn't

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2008-09-22 Thread Martin Spott
Heiko Schulz wrote: And the MKVIII was never ever working right, I can understand Syd doing a workaround. Well, participating in a 'club' like this one and not giving reasonable feedback doesn't count as good habits BTW, a quick search on The Net revealed this thread - I suspect you

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear on 32 bits versus 64 bits system

2008-09-22 Thread gerard robin
On lundi 22 septembre 2008, Curtis Olson wrote: I am hearing a pretty distinct glitch in the audio about once per second ... it's not so much of a hard break, but disruption in continuity. I'm not sure if this is related to a pause in FlightGear, or the openal drivers on Fedora 9, or what?

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2008-09-22 Thread Heiko Schulz
Well, participating in a 'club' like this one and not giving reasonable feedback doesn't count as good habits Maybe- But I think Syd will have a lot reasons for that. Nasal scripting is a lot of easier than C++ - so it is a nice workaround. And very often better than hardcoded.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/b1900d b1900d-set.xml, 1.32,

2008-09-22 Thread Heiko Schulz
O.k. Yep, it's entirely possible that I messed up aspects of the GPWS, but I need a better test case than 'acting weird'. Most of all, I need to know an aircraft where it definitely worked correctly in the past, because it's never worked 'well' for me in any version of FG. I'm not

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/b1900d b1900d-set.xml, 1.32,

2008-09-22 Thread Christian Schmitt
Heiko Schulz wrote: The last errors I had were: -Bank-Angle-Callouts with real zero-angle after lift off or shortly above rwy while landing. - the callouts 50 40 30 20 10 could be never heard at all- even with a very low sink rate Low-Terrain-warning on a corrct ILS-glidepath

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3D Clouds - Update on (lack of) progress

2008-09-22 Thread Vadym Kukhtin
2008/9/21 Stuart Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tried apply the patch, but got patch: malformed patch at line 50: Index: Environment/fgclouds.cxx And, can you make some screenshots, please? -- --- WBR, Vadym. - This

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 3D Clouds - Update on (lack of) progress

2008-09-22 Thread Martin Spott
Vadym Kukhtin wrote: 2008/9/21 Stuart Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tried apply the patch, but got patch: malformed patch at line 50: Index: Environment/fgclouds.cxx I didn't try it myself, but in general I'd say: If you require external help to get the patch applied cleanly, then this

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2008-09-22 Thread Martin Spott
Heiko Schulz wrote: But the real problem is, that nobody really knows how the stuff is really working and how to activate them. Well, this sounds like a case for a knowledgeable person to explain instead of silently working around it Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear on 32 bits versus 64 bits system

2008-09-22 Thread Vivian Meazza
AJ wrote On Monday 22 September 2008 12:16:13 gerard robin wrote: Again on that topic, i was wrong about 64 bit , which has nothing to do with the stutter/jitter within FG. That's true (since we've seen the same stuttering on 32 bit machines as well). However, even though in your

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear on 32 bits versus 64 bits system

2008-09-22 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Hi Vivian, Vivian Meazza wrote : As you know, I am. I have profiled the cvs-head. Nasal/hash.c seems to be a _very_ significant CPU hog, but I can't link it to the staggers. I note however that when I profile an old FG/osg from last Apr, it is stagger free, and hash.c doesn't figure in the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear on 32 bits versus 64 bits system

2008-09-22 Thread Vivian Meazza
Hi Fred, Fred wrote: Hi Vivian, Vivian Meazza wrote : As you know, I am. I have profiled the cvs-head. Nasal/hash.c seems to be a _very_ significant CPU hog, but I can't link it to the staggers. I note however that when I profile an old FG/osg from last Apr, it is stagger free,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear on 32 bits versus 64 bits system

2008-09-22 Thread Erik Hofman
Vivian Meazza wrote: As you know, I am. I have profiled the cvs-head. Nasal/hash.c seems to be a _very_ significant CPU hog, but I can't link it to the staggers. I note however that when I profile an old FG/osg from last Apr, it is stagger free, and hash.c doesn't figure in the profiling.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/b1900d b1900d-set.xml, 1.32,

2008-09-22 Thread Syd
`Did you already communicate the issue about the MK-VIII to other evelopers in order to get it fixed ? Martin. A long long time ago I tried to contact Jean for pointers no response... Well, this sounds like a case for a knowledgeable person to explain instead of silently

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/b1900d b1900d-set.xml, 1.32,

2008-09-22 Thread Erik Hofman
Syd wrote: In the meantime , IRC is a much freindlier , helpful place. Unfortunately IRC (like the forum) is not the place where problems are solved, only the developers mailinglist is. This is because not everyone can follow all he places where discussions are taking place. Erik

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-cvslogs]

2008-09-22 Thread Martin Spott
Syd, Syd wrote: `Did you already communicate the issue about the MK-VIII to other evelopers in order to get it fixed ? [..] Well, this sounds like a case for a knowledgeable person to explain instead of silently working around it instead of silently working around it So I

[Flightgear-devel] mingw fixes

2008-09-22 Thread Csaba Halász
Hi! Here are some fixes for the mingw platform that I had to make for a successful build. Note, in 2 places I have changed a #include windows.h to a #include Winsock2.h, but that should be ok. For safety, somebody using msvc build please check. As a result, a current mingw build (includes osg)

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear on 32 bits versus 64 bits system

2008-09-22 Thread gerard robin
On lundi 22 septembre 2008, Vivian Meazza wrote: Hi Fred, Fred wrote: Hi Vivian, Vivian Meazza wrote : As you know, I am. I have profiled the cvs-head. Nasal/hash.c seems to be a _very_ significant CPU hog, but I can't link it to the staggers. I note however that when I profile

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear on 32 bits versus 64 bits system

2008-09-22 Thread Vivian Meazza
Hi Erik To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear on 32 bits versus 64 bits system Vivian Meazza wrote: As you know, I am. I have profiled the cvs-head. Nasal/hash.c seems to be a _very_ significant CPU hog, but I can't link it to the staggers. I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear on 32 bits versus 64 bits system

2008-09-22 Thread Vivian Meazza
gerard On lundi 22 septembre 2008, Vivian Meazza wrote: Hi Fred, Fred wrote: Hi Vivian, Vivian Meazza wrote : As you know, I am. I have profiled the cvs-head. Nasal/hash.c seems to be a _very_ significant CPU hog, but I can't link it to the staggers. I note

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear on 32 bits versus 64 bits system

2008-09-22 Thread James Turner
On 22 Sep 2008, at 22:25, Vivian Meazza wrote: AJ and I _think_ we are talking about the same problem. We might not be, although the description of the symptoms, which we have discussed many times, seems to be the same. The underlying cause might not be the same. It might be the code,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear on 32 bits versus 64 bits system

2008-09-22 Thread gerard robin
On lundi 22 septembre 2008, Vivian Meazza wrote: gerard On lundi 22 septembre 2008, Vivian Meazza wrote: Hi Fred, Fred wrote: Hi Vivian, Vivian Meazza wrote : As you know, I am. I have profiled the cvs-head. Nasal/hash.c seems to be a _very_ significant

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear on 32 bits versus 64 bits system

2008-09-22 Thread Vivian Meazza
James On 22 Sep 2008, at 22:25, Vivian Meazza wrote: AJ and I _think_ we are talking about the same problem. We might not be, although the description of the symptoms, which we have discussed many times, seems to be the same. The underlying cause might not be the same. It might

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear on 32 bits versus 64 bits system

2008-09-22 Thread James Turner
On 22 Sep 2008, at 23:05, Vivian Meazza wrote: A binary search, which I'm also trying, takes days. At some point we left OSG 2.4, used an interim version, then migrated to osg 2.6. An osg rebuild here takes well over an hour. So far, I've come about halfway forward from Apr, which

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear on 32 bits versus 64 bits system

2008-09-22 Thread Curtis Olson
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 5:23 PM, James Turner wrote: On 22 Sep 2008, at 23:05, Vivian Meazza wrote: A binary search, which I'm also trying, takes days. At some point we left OSG 2.4, used an interim version, then migrated to osg 2.6. An osg rebuild here takes well over an hour. So

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/b1900d b1900d-set.xml, 1.32,

2008-09-22 Thread James Turner
On 23 Sep 2008, at 20:26, Syd wrote: So I gather your telling me I can't change my aircraft ? The gpws issues have been known for a long time , and I,m sure you well know that . I wont post bugs here because of exactly this My past questions were largely ignored , my minor patches

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: data/Aircraft/b1900d b1900d-set.xml, 1.32,

2008-09-22 Thread Syd
James Turner wrote: The problem seems to be very bad in the case of the GPWS, because it's actually a very complex instrument, and the author (who seems to be ... absent?) clearly put in a lot of very accurate functionality, but almost no documentation. Because it's so complex, I assume