Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another person selling FlightGear under dubious pretenses

2008-11-20 Thread Matthew Tippett
Comments within. (I am personally uncomfortable including the GPL violations people until we have a clear direction from the leadership of the flightgear project as to the direction the project would like to go). On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 1:49 AM, Arnt Karlsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > ..

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another person selling FlightGear under dubious pretenses

2008-11-20 Thread Arnt Karlsen
Hi, ..I apologize, this case or these cases should probably have gone to [EMAIL PROTECTED] rather than [EMAIL PROTECTED], but flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net is also a public forum. On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:51:38 -0500, Matthew wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Still, the question is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] heads up: Boost dependency

2008-11-20 Thread Tatsuhiro Nishioka
Hi, >From Mac OS side, there seems no problem in using headers of any version of Boost as long as FlightGear works fine. I'll just grab it and build FG with boost headers. No difficulties. However, if we're going to use boost libraries before the next official release, I need to make sure the bina

Re: [Flightgear-devel] heads up: Boost dependency

2008-11-20 Thread Matthew Tippett
Sure. It is involved and complex, so I didn't want to bother people unless they wanted the information. First, get a compiler built via crosstool - http://www.kegel.com/crosstool/ That allows you to low-bar the baseline glibc and gcc (and hence libstdc++). Then build the out-of-distro packages

Re: [Flightgear-devel] heads up: Boost dependency

2008-11-20 Thread Tim Moore
Matthew Tippett wrote: > As per other discussions, there is nothing stopping fg from creating a > set of support libraries that exist in /opt/flightgear. This can be > an optional 'we admit we are on the bleeding edge' support package > that can be made broadly compatible. > > If people are inter

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another person selling FlightGear under dubious pretenses

2008-11-20 Thread Arnt Karlsen
Hi, ..my apologies to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for the FlightGear top-mix posts fw'd and cc'd to you, FlightGear strives to be multi-platform. ;o) On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:02:06 +0100, Arnt wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:37:18 -0500, Matthew wrote in message > <[EMAIL PR

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another person selling FlightGear under dubious pretenses

2008-11-20 Thread Matthew Tippett
Still, the question is if this company is violating the GPL. We have no proof of that. (The gpl-violations.org guys go after people who are not honoring the release of source for both distributed and derived works - typically in embedded systems. Usually they settle when the company honors the G

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another person selling FlightGear under dubious pretenses

2008-11-20 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:37:18 -0500, Matthew wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Unfortunately, the GPL doesn't account for emotion. For those who > have met RMS, interpersonal relationships don't really fit... Certain > rights are gained, others are given up. > > The best we can hope for i

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another person selling FlightGear under dubious pretenses

2008-11-20 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:11:27 -0700, Ron wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Thu, 2008-11-20 at 15:43 -0600, Curtis Olson wrote: > > Someone pointed out this site to me. It probably falls into the > > category of just barely ok, but I thought I'd post the link here to > > get some more eye

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another person selling FlightGear under dubious pretenses

2008-11-20 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:16:34 -0500, Matthew wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > One thing to be *very* careful of is assuming that flightgear has some > absolute right to control what happens downstream. If this company is > honoring it's responsibilities under the GPL, there is nothing that

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another person selling FlightGear under dubious pretenses

2008-11-20 Thread Matthew Tippett
Unfortunately, the GPL doesn't account for emotion. For those who have met RMS, interpersonal relationships don't really fit... Certain rights are gained, others are given up. The best we can hope for is that they are interested in being a part of a community, the worst we should expect is that

Re: [Flightgear-devel] heads up: Boost dependency

2008-11-20 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:47:46 -0500, Matthew wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > As per other discussions, there is nothing stopping fg from creating a > set of support libraries that exist in /opt/flightgear. This can be > an optional 'we admit we are on the bleeding edge' support package >

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another person selling FlightGear under dubious pretenses

2008-11-20 Thread Csaba Halász
They use our screenshots, not even taking the time to make their own. I wonder what licensing applies to them? The mac version advertised on ebay also uses our screenshots, but with their copyright message! That smells illegal to me... And if you look closely, you can find this gem: "Box is illust

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another person selling FlightGear under dubious pretenses

2008-11-20 Thread Tatsuhiro Nishioka
Hi, For clarifying my position, I don't care if they sell flightfear. But I do care if that affects our project in either technically or emotionally. According to some threads or posts in the list and the forum, it seems that many developers and users do not like the current situation. I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another person selling FlightGear under dubious pretenses

2008-11-20 Thread Ron Jensen
On Thu, 2008-11-20 at 15:43 -0600, Curtis Olson wrote: > Someone pointed out this site to me. It probably falls into the > category of just barely ok, but I thought I'd post the link here to > get some more eyes on it. > > http://flight-aviator.com/ > > Best regards, > > Curt. > -- http:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] heads up: Boost dependency

2008-11-20 Thread Matthew Tippett
As per other discussions, there is nothing stopping fg from creating a set of support libraries that exist in /opt/flightgear. This can be an optional 'we admit we are on the bleeding edge' support package that can be made broadly compatible. If people are interested in a recommended approach for

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another person selling FlightGear under dubious pretenses

2008-11-20 Thread Matthew Tippett
One thing to be *very* careful of is assuming that flightgear has some absolute right to control what happens downstream. If this company is honoring it's responsibilities under the GPL, there is nothing that the FG community can do to prevent it happening. The GPL enshrines those rights to the r

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another person selling FlightGear under dubious pretenses

2008-11-20 Thread Matthew Tippett
A quick review of the site doesn't indicate they are doing anything fundamentally wrong. The acknowledge that it is derived from Flight Gear and that FG is an Open Source project. I am not saying that the way they are presenting it is a nice way to do it. But it is not fundamentally different th

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another person selling FlightGear under dubious pretenses

2008-11-20 Thread Tatsuhiro Nishioka
On Nov 21, 2008, at 7:49 AM, Stuart Buchanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: >> > > One way to discourage this sort of thing would be to include > "www.flightgear.org > " prominently in the startup screens, in the > same way that we include "initializing sub-systems", > "initializing scenery". The

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another person selling FlightGear under dubious pretenses

2008-11-20 Thread LeeE
On Thursday 20 November 2008, Curtis Olson wrote: > Someone pointed out this site to me. It probably falls into the > category of just barely ok, but I thought I'd post the link here > to get some more eyes on it. > > http://flight-aviator.com/ > > Best regards, > > Curt. One clear issue: I c

Re: [Flightgear-devel] heads up: Boost dependency

2008-11-20 Thread gerard robin
On vendredi 21 novembre 2008, gerard robin wrote: > On vendredi 21 novembre 2008, Csaba Halász wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 11:59 PM, Tim Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > FlightGear now has a dependency on the Boost library header files. See > > > boost.org or your favorite distribution

Re: [Flightgear-devel] heads up: Boost dependency

2008-11-20 Thread Csaba Halász
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:20 AM, Csaba Halász <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Okay, I know I am kind of late with this, but I just found out that > debian stable comes with 1.33. Upgrading to 1.34 would mean having to > upgrade gcc to 4.2 and libstdc++ as well. For the record: Tim pointed out on I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] heads up: Boost dependency

2008-11-20 Thread gerard robin
On vendredi 21 novembre 2008, Csaba Halász wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 11:59 PM, Tim Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > FlightGear now has a dependency on the Boost library header files. See > > boost.org or your favorite distribution. I built against version 1.34, > > but the latest (1.37)

Re: [Flightgear-devel] heads up: Boost dependency

2008-11-20 Thread Csaba Halász
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 11:59 PM, Tim Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > FlightGear now has a dependency on the Boost library header files. See > boost.org > or your favorite distribution. I built against version 1.34, but the latest > (1.37) should be fine too. Okay, I know I am kind of late wit

[Flightgear-devel] Crusader_F-8E News

2008-11-20 Thread gerard robin
Hello, Just in case, if somebody is interested on it: During the past weeks i have included to F-8E, some carrier features. That model is JSBSim FDM. 1/ the usual Carrier capabilities ( the same we have years ago with YASim) => the arrester Hook which operate on wires . That feature is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another person selling FlightGear under dubious pretenses

2008-11-20 Thread Stuart Buchanan
--- On Thu, 20/11/08, Curtis Olson wrote: > Someone pointed out this site to me. It probably falls into > the category of just barely ok, but I thought I'd post the link > here to get some more eyes on it. > > http://flight-aviator.com/ > One way to discourage this sort of thing would be t

[Flightgear-devel] new props.Node method: initNode()

2008-11-20 Thread Melchior FRANZ
I've now turned props.initNode() into a props.Node method. initNode is a rather new function that creates (if necessary) and returns a node initialized (if necessary) to the given value and set (if necessary) to the given type. If the node does already have a type, then the type won't be changed. A

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another person selling FlightGear under dubious pretenses

2008-11-20 Thread Heiko Schulz
> Someone pointed out this site to me. It probably falls into > the category of > just barely ok, but I thought I'd post the link here to > get some more eyes > on it. > > http://flight-aviator.com/ > > Best regards, > > Curt. > -- > Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ >

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Another person selling FlightGear under dubious pretenses

2008-11-20 Thread Heiko Schulz
> Someone pointed out this site to me. It probably falls into > the category of > just barely ok, but I thought I'd post the link here to > get some more eyes > on it. > > http://flight-aviator.com/ > > Best regards, > > Curt. > -- > Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ >

[Flightgear-devel] Another person selling FlightGear under dubious pretenses

2008-11-20 Thread Curtis Olson
Someone pointed out this site to me. It probably falls into the category of just barely ok, but I thought I'd post the link here to get some more eyes on it. http://flight-aviator.com/ Best regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ -

Re: [Flightgear-devel] heads up: Boost dependency

2008-11-20 Thread gerard robin
On jeudi 20 novembre 2008, Martin Spott wrote: > gerard robin wrote: > > On mercredi 19 novembre 2008, Martin Spott wrote: > > > Tim Moore wrote: > > > > Seriously, I imagine that people don't mind needing OSG SVN. There > > > > isn't currently an autoconf test for the OSG version; that would > > >

Re: [Flightgear-devel] heads up: Boost dependency

2008-11-20 Thread Martin Spott
gerard robin wrote: > On mercredi 19 novembre 2008, Martin Spott wrote: > > Tim Moore wrote: > > > Seriously, I imagine that people don't mind needing OSG SVN. There isn't > > > currently an autoconf test for the OSG version; that would probably be > > > useful. > > > > Indeed - and for the Boost

Re: [Flightgear-devel] heads up: Boost dependency

2008-11-20 Thread Martin Spott
"Csaba Halász" wrote: > On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 9:52 PM, Martin Spott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Martin Spott wrote: > > and probably add a warning that people have to remove lines 25-27 > > in the basic 'CMakeLists.txt' of OpenSceneGraph (2.7.3) if they don't > > use at least CMake vers

[Flightgear-devel] CVS: data/Nasal view.nas, 1.40, 1.41 aircraft.nas, 1.77, 1.78 geo.nas,

2008-11-20 Thread gerard robin
Modified Files: view.nas aircraft.nas geo.nas globals.nas Log Message: make constants D2R, R2D, M2FT, FT2M global Is there anything modified within geo.nas ? Is there any consequence when using it ? Thanks -- Gérard http://pagesperso-orange.fr/GRTux/ J'ai décidé d'être heureux parce