[Flightgear-devel] C172R&C172X Missing Thruster Files

2006-04-05 Thread Ron Jensen
Both the c172r and c172x JSBSim config files reference a thruster call "prop_Clark_Y7570" this file is not present in the CVS. Both planes folders contain a thruster called prop_75in2f.xml Kinda makes them unflyable... Ron --- This SF.Net

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Textures update ...

2006-04-05 Thread Rob Oates
I've updated the texture pack it now includes a winterized (snowy) set of textures (thanks Erik for the tip on how to make snow appear on everything). Ironically, where I live in Florida where it doesn't snow :p -Rob

[Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads problem .....

2006-04-05 Thread syd & sandy
Hi all , just discovered a problem with the aircraft downloads from the website while trying to solve a problem for Steve , who downloaded my Citation Bravo and reported errors. The Bravo , and several others of mine rely on instruments in the Instrument-3d folder , but they dont appear to be i

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: 737-300 exposes a possible property/memory bug in rea

2006-04-05 Thread Jon S. Berndt
> Just as a heads up the airground.nas file for the 737 was written by David > Culp and is designed to mimic the 737's airground switch. > What it does currently as I understand it is to allow for the speed > brakes/spoilers > to be set to automatic so they autodeploy once the left main gear > is o

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: 737-300 exposes a possible property/memory bug in rea

2006-04-05 Thread Innis Cunningham
Hello Jon "Jon S. Berndt" writes Thanks - yes, I missed your post. Thanks for the report. I'll look at the 737. So, you tried the 747 and it works properly? Just as a heads up the airground.nas file for the 737 was written by David Culp and is designed to mimic the 737's airground switch. Wh

RE: [Flightgear-devel] JSBSim and Nasal

2006-04-05 Thread Jon S. Berndt
> Hi Jon, > > Thanks for the heads-up. As a newbie aircraft designer I am coming > close to needing some automatic flight control systems for my F-4E > model. For example, flaps and slats deploying when airspeed is less > than 230 kcas with the gear down. Slats deploying anytime alpha exceeds >

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: 737-300 exposes a possible property/memory bug in real-weather-fetch

2006-04-05 Thread Jon S. Berndt
> * Jon S. Berndt -- Wednesday 05 April 2006 15:21: > > > Now the question is, how up-to-date is your code? ;-) > > > About an hour ago. plib/simgear/flightgear/base. > > Hehe ... OK. I just remember that you come occasionally with compilation > problems that are caused by code changes done severa

[Flightgear-devel] __FGLTexMgrAllocMem failed on Linux w/ATI flgrx driver -- FG CVS

2006-04-05 Thread David Miller
There is a problem with some ATI graphics hardware using ATI's proprietary fglrx driver in Linux. FlightGear runs at about 25% of expected frame rate, eventually spewing lots of these: fglX11AllocateManagedSurface: __FGLTexMgrAllocMem failed!! The problem occurs in FG 0.9.9 and later CVS vers

[Flightgear-devel] EDDF runway signs, first release

2006-04-05 Thread Roberto Inzerillo
Hi all, I have uploaded a first small collection of taxiway signs for EDDF airport. I'd like someone to check it out, and tell me if something is wrong. This collection places runway exit signs on 07L-25R and 07R-25L only. I am working on taxiway holding signs too. They will be uploaded in the

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft with "old" JSBSim specs in base package

2006-04-05 Thread Jon S. Berndt
> Well, the B-29 doesn't really have any correct JSBSim config at all, so > you might as well just ignore that entry. I don't think I will ever get > the polar data for the Boeing wing, so it will probably not happen in > the future either. > > Josh I think we can "wing it" fairly accurately (pun

[Flightgear-devel] Menu problem

2006-04-05 Thread Lee Elliott
Hi all, can anyone else reproduce this? Start FG with a flight plan i.e. --flight-plan=foo Clear the route via the menu drop down. Add a way point and hit _return_ The menu no longer responds to mouse clicks but the mouse appears to work ok otherwise i.e. right clicks and on the panel. If yo

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Update: Experimental lighter-than-air support for JSBSim and FlightGear

2006-04-05 Thread Lee Elliott
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 10:24, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi! > > I am experimenting with some lighter-than-air support for > JSBSim and FlightGear. The progress is not fast, but it is > there. Currently, I have implemented enough to make free > flying balloons behave sort of decently[0] and it

Re: [Flightgear-devel] instrument panels on views from outside the aircraft

2006-04-05 Thread Lee Elliott
Heh - this comes one up every now and then and I keep telling myself I'll figure out the code enough to make it optional. I once asked for this feature and one of the developers told how... comment out lines 98 & 99 on panel.cxx so it looks like ///

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Textures update ...

2006-04-05 Thread Mark
Here's what they've got to say about that: /1.2 Fair Use of Copyrighted Materials. / Notwithstanding Section 1.1, you are permitted to download and copy the content, as it appears on the Site, for personal use only, provided that you maintain all copyright and other notices contained th

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft with "old" JSBSim specs in base package

2006-04-05 Thread Josh Babcock
Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > ..anything useful here?: > http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=airfoil+%22polar+data%22+lift+drag+B-29+OR+B29+OR+B-50+OR+B50&btnG=Search > Fraid not. There is a specific Boeing airfoil used in the B-29 and it's variants, i think it's the 31

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft with "old" JSBSim specs in base package

2006-04-05 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 09:42:16 -0400, Josh wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Well, the B-29 doesn't really have any correct JSBSim config at all, > so you might as well just ignore that entry. I don't think I will ever > get the polar data for the Boeing wing, so it will probably not happen >

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Taxiway signs, howto?

2006-04-05 Thread Martin Spott
Robicd wrote: >> Very soon we'll see signs sitting in the middle of the taxiways > > We already see windsocks in the middle of taxiways :-) Not only this, in CYTZ the windsock is sitting on the first section of runway 08 :-) Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective ab

RE: [Flightgear-devel] JSBSim and Nasal

2006-04-05 Thread Berndt, Jon S
> Those are valid points from a JSBSim centric perspective, > but from FlightGear we have other FDMs that don't support the > same features so that fgfs has its own control methods > independant of specific FDMs. An argument could be made for > having a single control script for flying the same

Re: [Flightgear-devel] instrument panels on views from outside the aircraft

2006-04-05 Thread Phil Cazzola
- Original Message - From: "Jim Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 6:22 AM Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] instrument panels on views from outside the aircraft From: John Kluza My real question though is can I make a panel visible from one of the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Re: FG Live progress

2006-04-05 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 22:21:14 +1000, Pigeon wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > ..uh, I see them as far as Morphix 0.5-pre5 "Himalia"? > > http://www.morphix.org/autobuilds/base/ ..sweet. We can automate iso builds right outta cvs or sn. ;o) > > ..aye. But for low end boxes such as

Re: [Flightgear-devel] JSBSim and Nasal

2006-04-05 Thread Ron Jensen
On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 07:33 -0500, Jon S. Berndt wrote: > While debugging the 737 I discovered something that I find unsettling. For > the 737-300 model (using a JSBSim flight model) there is a nasal script > called air-ground.nas. This apparently adds some automatic control of the > spoilers while

[Flightgear-devel] Re: 737-300 exposes a possible property/memory bug in real-weather-fetch

2006-04-05 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Jon S. Berndt -- Wednesday 05 April 2006 15:21: > > Now the question is, how up-to-date is your code? ;-) > About an hour ago. plib/simgear/flightgear/base. Hehe ... OK. I just remember that you come occasionally with compilation problems that are caused by code changes done several weeks ago

Re: [Flightgear-devel] JSBSim and Nasal

2006-04-05 Thread Jim Wilson
> -Original Message- > From: "Jon S. Berndt" > > While debugging the 737 I discovered something that I find unsettling. For > the 737-300 model (using a JSBSim flight model) there is a nasal script > called air-ground.nas. This apparently adds some automatic control of the > spoilers while

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Taxiway signs, howto?

2006-04-05 Thread Robicd
Very soon we'll see signs sitting in the middle of the taxiways We already see windsocks in the middle of taxiways :-) Roberto --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into

[Flightgear-devel] Re: 737-300 exposes a possible property/memory bug in real-weather-fetch

2006-04-05 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Jon S. Berndt -- Wednesday 05 April 2006 15:21: > What kind of climb rate do you see? How long does it take > to get to those really high altitudes? Oh, it takes very long. More than an hour. That's why I'm not keen to try it without AP. I prefer to let the AP do that on another desktop, only oc

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Taxiway signs, howto?

2006-04-05 Thread Martin Spott
Melchior FRANZ wrote: > Ideally, TerraGear would add all of them. But yes, it would make > some sense to add the automatically generated sign locations to the > fgfsdb first, so that they can then be modified through user input. > I take the "ridiculous" back. :-) I entirely agree with you that

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft with "old" JSBSim specs in base package

2006-04-05 Thread Josh Babcock
Jon S. Berndt wrote: > I've done a search and found that the following aircraft flight models > currently have no valid (new) specification using JSBSim-ML v2.0: > > 707 > B29 > C150 > C310u3a-jsbsim > colditz > Lockheed1049 > > I'll try to get to those soon, but don't know when that will be. If

[Flightgear-devel] script for building flight plans like

2006-04-05 Thread Sébastien MARQUE
hello, i've written perl script to build flight plans in fgfs http://seb.marque.free.fr/fichiers/scripts/perl/plandevol-eng the goal was to make a very light single file appli to give enough informations to go from a point to another following a route composed by navaids. it includes the sid a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft with "old" JSBSim specs in base package

2006-04-05 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Jon S. Berndt wrote: I've done a search and found that the following aircraft flight models currently have no valid (new) specification using JSBSim-ML v2.0: 707 B29 C150 C310u3a-jsbsim colditz Lockheed1049 I'll try to get to those soon, but don't know when that will be. If someone else wants

[Flightgear-devel] Re: Taxiway signs, howto?

2006-04-05 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Chris Metzler -- Wednesday 05 April 2006 15:48: > We do indeed place the windsocks and beacons automatically; we're [...] Yes, I know all that. The point was that beacons, windsocks, signs are airport inventory, and are either in the apt/navaid/whatever databases or follow rather strict rules a

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: 737-300 exposes a possible property/memory bug in real-weather-fetch

2006-04-05 Thread Jon S. Berndt
> I'm subsribed to all fgfs/sg cvslogs mailing lists, and update and > recompile *at least* once every day, often within minutes after a commit. > Except if the commits were mine, which isn't exactly rare either. > > No, I won't update anything. I'm already running CVS/HEAD, just > like always. > (

[Flightgear-devel] couple of questions about electrical system

2006-04-05 Thread Sébastien MARQUE
hello, first, i've just installed 0.9.10-pre3 and I really loved the atc-chatter (especilally the italian and spanish accents, which are very funny, I haven't yet heared any french accent but maybe someone has this in his files ;)). ok, I read in the docs-mini/README.elecrical that the xml d

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Taxiway signs, howto?

2006-04-05 Thread Robicd
Martin Spott wrote: Almost every engineer facing a problem starts with creating a plan - this is what we are being taught when real life hits us after leaving university ;-) What are the implications of the OBJECT_{TAXI,RUN}WAY_SIGN feature ? If you/we walk this path this would imply creating ga

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Taxiway signs, howto?

2006-04-05 Thread Chris Metzler
On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 15:17:14 +0200 Melchior FRANZ wrote: > > The idea that all the taxi/runway-signs would flood the fgfsdb is rather > ridiculous. Are windsocks in the fgfsdb? No. The *.stg files are for > static objects, period. This has *nothing* to do with the fgfsdb. > The question was neither

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Taxiway signs, howto?

2006-04-05 Thread Ralf Gerlich
Hi, On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 08:57:08AM -0400, Chris Metzler wrote: > My main holdup in making them available (other than the missing > characteristics named above) has been my being unsure of the best, uh, > "deployment method." As Ralf noted, placing all these in the FGFSDB I said what? I think

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Taxiway signs, howto?

2006-04-05 Thread Chris Metzler
On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 08:57:08 -0400 Chris Metzler wrote: > As Ralf noted, placing all these in the FGFSDB > will result in a lot of objects in the DB, although I don't know that > the number count would cause a problem (hey Ralf, I think I'm already > the winner in that contest, since I think I'm res

[Flightgear-devel] Re: Taxiway signs, howto?

2006-04-05 Thread Melchior FRANZ
The idea that all the taxi/runway-signs would flood the fgfsdb is rather ridiculous. Are windsocks in the fgfsdb? No. The *.stg files are for static objects, period. This has *nothing* to do with the fgfsdb. The question was neither if we want those signs (of course we do), or if they are static ob

[Flightgear-devel] Aircraft with "old" JSBSim specs in base package

2006-04-05 Thread Jon S. Berndt
I've done a search and found that the following aircraft flight models currently have no valid (new) specification using JSBSim-ML v2.0: 707 B29 C150 C310u3a-jsbsim colditz Lockheed1049 I'll try to get to those soon, but don't know when that will be. If someone else wants to convert them (and the

[Flightgear-devel] Re: 737-300 exposes a possible property/memory bug in real-weather-fetch

2006-04-05 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Jon S. Berndt -- Wednesday 05 April 2006 14:10: * * Stefan Seifert: > > Of ourse I'm on current CVS (plib, SimGear, FG, base data, 737-300). > Agreed. Melchior: update your code and base package and try again. LOL. Thanks for the newbie advice. :-} I'm subsribed to all fgfs/sg cvslogs mailing

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Taxiway signs, howto?

2006-04-05 Thread Chris Metzler
On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 08:06:47 +0200 Melchior FRANZ wrote: > > > Hey, I said "consider"! ... OK ... then, hmm ... I've started to make > a font from the pictures in that *.pdf, and it will be easy to create > all the signs from that. Then we'll see how to continue. (If somebody > objects to the old O

[Flightgear-devel] JSBSim and Nasal

2006-04-05 Thread Jon S. Berndt
While debugging the 737 I discovered something that I find unsettling. For the 737-300 model (using a JSBSim flight model) there is a nasal script called air-ground.nas. This apparently adds some automatic control of the spoilers while on the ground. Now, understand up front that the discussion tha

Re: [Flightgear-devel] instrument panels on views from outside the aircraft

2006-04-05 Thread Jim Wilson
> From: John Kluza > > Hi Curt, > That cessna mini overlay is a good starting point. I used it to build my own > custom vertical transparent panel that serves the purpose well. Right now I > can only make it visible from views that an equivalent to the pilot's eye > view from the cockpit. It s

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re:Bad Bravo download...

2006-04-05 Thread Stephen Miller
Syd: I'm running Linux, FC4, no other aircraft problems. FYI, this isn't a "2nd" panel situation; it's the only one I get. Yes, please email me your latest. Thanks, Steve > Syd: Have you had a chance to look at this lately? I tried again > yesterday, same results. When I run this aircraft,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: FG Live progress

2006-04-05 Thread polly
If opinions seem inexpensive then maybe it's a sign that folks can only hope to contribute in some to what is a truly impressive production. I wonder if the 'signs' addon could be included, it's very reassuring for a beginner. If the signs also included VOR/ADF ID's and frequencies then

RE: [Flightgear-devel] 737-300 exposes a possible property/memory bug in real-weather-fetch

2006-04-05 Thread Jon S. Berndt
> I cannot reproduce the spoiler problem. I tried using Melchior's command > line, with and without --disable-real-weather-fetch. I attached my > fgfsrc for completeness, but don't think it makes any difference. Of > course I'm on current CVS (plib, SimGear, FG, base data, 737-300). > > Nine A

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Taxiway signs, howto?

2006-04-05 Thread Martin Spott
Ralf Gerlich wrote: > In the medium to long term we will get that info from TaxiDraw ;-) > Durk already integrated logical network editing for AI aircraft in > TaxiDraw without having to extend or modify the apt.dat format. After > all the chance that the format of Robin's database changes in a mo

[Flightgear-devel] Re: Re: FG Live progress

2006-04-05 Thread Pigeon
> ..uh, I see them as far as Morphix 0.5-pre5 "Himalia"? http://www.morphix.org/autobuilds/base/ > ..aye. But for low end boxes such as the ~450MHz 100$ laptops Bill > Gates whines about , dumping the wm too will help them kids run it. > I dont have one, but I do have a coupla old am

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: FG Live progress

2006-04-05 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 18:45:13 +1000, Pigeon wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > ..which version Morphix? > > I'm using their latest 2.6.15 autobuilds basemod... ..uh, I see them as far as Morphix 0.5-pre5 "Himalia"? > > > - fgfs bash completion > > ..huh? Url? :o) > > http:/

[Flightgear-devel] Re: Re: FG Live progress

2006-04-05 Thread Pigeon
> Can you imagine the "average" windows user being happy to launch fgfs from a > command box? ;-) Most of the ones I deal with every day have no idea such a > thing exists! FGRun is cross-platform and supplied with the windows binary. > I think there is a certain logic in supplying a front end

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: FG Live progress

2006-04-05 Thread AJ MacLeod
On Wednesday 05 April 2006 03:51, Pigeon wrote: > > One deciding factor might be the ease of configuring MP - I > > tested the last 0.9.10 windows prerelease on someone else's box the other > > day and was very impressed at how easy it was to get online. > And that was using what? Is there a wi

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: OT constructive critisism

2006-04-05 Thread Martin Spott
Arnt Karlsen wrote: >> BTW, I fulfilled basic military service in 1987/1988 as most of the >> young boys did in this time and, while the military 'practice' I >> gained in such a short timeframe is neglectible, I learned a lot of >> bad and good lessons - mostly on "how to communicate if you want

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Taxiway signs, howto?

2006-04-05 Thread Ralf Gerlich
Hi, On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 10:04:46AM +, Martin Spott wrote: > Even if someone enables TerraGear to create these signs on the fly > during scenery generation (which I favour over keeping the signs in the > Objects DB) we still face the problem that we lack the logical airport > layout. In th

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Taxiway signs, howto?

2006-04-05 Thread Martin Spott
Hi Melchior, Melchior FRANZ wrote: > Hey, I said "consider"! ... OK ... then, hmm ... I've started to make > a font from the pictures in that *.pdf, and it will be easy to create > all the signs from that. Then we'll see how to continue. (If somebody > objects to the old OBJECT_{TAXI,RUN}WAY_SIGN

Re: [Flightgear-devel] 0.9.10 pre-release binary for OS-X

2006-04-05 Thread James Turner
On 5 Apr 2006, at 00:15, James Turner wrote:I've just done a first stab of a binary release for OS-X, based on CVS as of yesterday. If you have access to a Mac with either 10.4.x or 10.3.9, please test it:http://homepage.mac.com/zakalawe/.Public/flightgear-0.9.10-pre-osx.dmgThings to keep in mind:

[Flightgear-devel] Update: Experimental lighter-than-air support for JSBSim and FlightGear

2006-04-05 Thread anders-www
Hi! I am experimenting with some lighter-than-air support for JSBSim and FlightGear. The progress is not fast, but it is there. Currently, I have implemented enough to make free flying balloons behave sort of decently[0] and it should be possible to make simple airship models (though, I have

[Flightgear-devel] Re: FG Live progress

2006-04-05 Thread Pigeon
> ..which version Morphix? I'm using their latest 2.6.15 autobuilds basemod... > > - fgfs bash completion > ..huh? Url? :o) http://members.aon.at/mfranz/flightgear/fgfs.bash It's yet another FG goodies by Melchior. > > - fgrun or kfreeflight? > > ..grub!!! FG setup _ca

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FG Live progress

2006-04-05 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 4 Apr 2006 22:41:15 +1000, Pigeon wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > As mentioned in the LinuxTag mail thread earlier, I've started > preparing a FG live cd. > > > The cd is made using morphix (www.morphix.org), which is a debian > based, modular live cd framework. It has a w