RE: [Flightgear-devel] lighting at KOAK

2002-10-21 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
. The little two runway airport close by KOAK (SE I think) is happily flashing away. *shrug* Wm Original Message: - From: Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 20:44:53 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Flightgear-devel] lighting at KOAK Jim Wilson writes

[Flightgear-devel] Some Questions about Flightgear

2003-07-12 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
5 points, especially the airport selection menu i proposed above, thanks. Best Regards, Oliver C. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel

[Flightgear-devel] Question about clouds in Flightgear vs. FS2004

2003-07-12 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Question about clouds in Flightgear vs. FS2004

2003-07-13 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
works). Best Regards, Oliver C. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Some Questions about Flightgear

2003-07-13 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
that they wouldn't be added to the additional scenery data? http://www.flightgear.org/Downloads/world-scenery.html Best Regards, Oliver C. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Question about clouds in Flightgear vs. FS2004

2003-07-13 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Question about clouds in Flightgear vs. FS2004

2003-07-14 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
for the stable plib version or for the cvs/unstable version? Best Regards, Oliver C. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel

Re: [Flightgear-devel] The sky color looks to dark and purple in flighgear but not like real sky blue

2003-07-14 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: The sky color looks to dark and purple inflighgear but not like real sky blue

2003-07-14 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Question about clouds in Flightgear vs. FS2004

2003-07-15 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Am Montag, 14. Juli 2003 10:16 schrieb Erik Hofman: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After that ./configure worked without errors. But when starting make i get this error: g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../../../../simgear -I../../../.. -I/usr/X11R6/include -g -O2 -D_REENTRANT -c -o

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Question about clouds in Flightgear vs. FS2004

2003-07-15 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Question about clouds in Flightgear vs. FS2004

2003-07-15 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
) { } Thanks, i commeted everthing between the brackets of the _ulEndianSwap function out. Now plib compiles with the patch code without errors, thanks. Best Regards, Oliver C. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Golden Gate Bridge

2003-07-15 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Question about clouds in Flightgear vs. FS2004

2003-07-15 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Question about clouds in Flightgear vs. FS2004

2003-07-16 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-clouds3d' Any ideas? Best Regards, Oliver C. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel

Re: [Flightgear-devel] weird reset

2003-07-19 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
then goes through a 180 degree half loop. http://www.zen11419.zen.co.uk/snapshot10.png I agree. I have the same problem. Best Regards, Oliver C. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Incoming!!!!!!!!!!!!

2003-07-24 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
design data, not static tables like MS Flight Simulator. What way does Flightgear use? Static tables or real time calculations or something other? MfG, Oliver C. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman

Re: [Flightgear-devel] forwarded message from Andrei Barbu

2003-07-24 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Am Freitag, 25. Juli 2003 05:55 schrieb Alex Perry: From: Jon Berndt [EMAIL PROTECTED] We need it. I like it. Me too. While it looks great under Moz and IE, it looks awful under Netscape 4.7x because the table misformats and puts the pictures in a vertical column (pushing the news down

[Flightgear-devel] FG_GLUT_H Header file missing

2003-09-25 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FG_GLUT_H Header file missing

2003-09-25 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FG_GLUT_H Header file missing

2003-09-26 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
autogen.sh and configure again. Oh, ok now i understand, thanks. I deleted all old configure files and compiled again, not it works. :) Best Regards, Oliver C. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Canopy cues?

2003-09-30 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
to buy the rights and source code of Falcon 4.0 and relicense it under GPL like it happened with the 3d modeler Blender3d? Best Regards, Oliver C. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear

Re: [Flightgear-devel] web site updates - found an error

2003-09-30 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
of www.flightgear.org/source.html Same happens when clicking on FAQ. It also happens when clicking on FAQ or Screenshots two times. Best Regards, Oliver C. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman

Re: [Flightgear-devel] web site updates - found an error

2003-09-30 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Am Mittwoch, 1. Oktober 2003 00:46 schrieb Julian Foad: Cameron Moore wrote: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Curt Olson) [2003.09.30 13:57]: Andrei Barbu has revamped the flightgear web site layout and made quite a few improvements. - No DOCTYPE specification[1] ... [1] http://www.w3.org/QA

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: AN225

2003-10-01 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] RFD: Proposed Changes to Airport Data Files

2003-10-13 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
13 5 US CA CYN San Francisco Intl Best Regards, Oliver C. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FG AI with server

2003-11-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Helicopters: wow!

2003-11-22 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
every key kombination but still no luck. I could need an advice how to start the engines. Best Regards, Oliver C. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Helicopters: wow!

2003-11-23 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Am Sonntag, 23. November 2003 13:41 schrieb Melchior FRANZ: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Sunday 23 November 2003 05:26: Hello, I allways wanted to fly the helicopter but i don't know how to start the engines. I pressed every key kombination but still no luck. The engine *is* on in the bo105 after

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Helicopters: wow!

2003-11-23 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Am Montag, 24. November 2003 04:13 schrieb David Megginson: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because of my german keyboard layout i needed to press the ALT+0 key to get the } key pressed, that was a little irritating for me, because i looked for the corresponding german key by the key location

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Helicopters: wow!

2003-11-24 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
at the airfield. I know this is very unrealistic in real life but it's just a good user friendly feature in a flight simulator. Best Regards, Oliver C. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo

[Flightgear-devel] Suggestion regarding Screenshots on FG Website

2003-11-25 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
those screenshots on the starting page are and should be some kind of figurehead, for marketing reasons, that's important. :) Best Regards, Oliver C. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Model animation documentation update

2003-11-25 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Model animation documentation update

2003-11-26 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] TaxiDraw-0.0.5 available.

2003-11-26 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] website

2003-11-26 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: the horizon

2003-11-27 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
it. That's quite difficult without knowing the name of it. Does anyone know the name of that simulator? Best Regards, Oliver C. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: the horizon

2003-11-27 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thursday 27 November 2003 19:44, Melchior FRANZ wrote: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Thursday 27 November 2003 19:29: [simulator for planets] Does anyone know the name of that simulator? ssystem? Unfortunately, the HP is down. Should be part of typical Linux distributions. m. No, that's

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: the horizon

2003-11-27 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thursday 27 November 2003 20:30, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 27 November 2003 19:44, Melchior FRANZ wrote: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Thursday 27 November 2003 19:29: [simulator for planets] Does anyone know the name of that simulator? ssystem? Unfortunately, the HP is down

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: the horizon

2003-11-27 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thursday 27 November 2003 22:05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, i found it now. :) It is called Planet engine and can be downloaded here: http://drtypo.free.fr/download.html But there are also some bad news, i was wrong, it is only freeware not open source. :( It also doesn't run

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Latest cvs build error ??

2003-11-28 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
solve that automatically? Or in another words, what is the best way to upgrade your personal cvs directory with the new one and recompile it? Why is $ cvs update $ make not enough? Best Regards, Oliver C. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Latest cvs build error ??

2003-11-28 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
i just want to upgrade flightgear? Best Regards, Oliver C. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FG logo Slovenian flag

2003-11-29 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
are also free and under the GPL license, but i am not sure. Here is the flag clipart gallery from sodipodi: http://www.sodipodi.com/index.php3?section=clipart/flags Best Regards, Oliver C. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http

[Flightgear-devel] Screenshots with changed sky color

2003-11-29 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
opionion about this? Best Regards, Oliver C. BTW: Here are some more photos of the real sky: http://home.att.net/~thewrittenword/sky/sky.html ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Latest stupid helicopter trick

2003-11-29 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[Flightgear-devel] Question about STRM 90 covering Europe and Asia

2003-11-29 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Question about STRM 90 covering Europe and Asia

2003-11-30 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
scenery files on my own? Best Regards, Oliver C. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Screenshots with changed sky color - New Screenshots with new color values

2003-11-30 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sunday 30 November 2003 18:36, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 30 November 2003 07:08, Jim Wilson wrote: Your suggestion sounds interesting, but those screen shots are way too blue. Ok, they are a little to much blue but we could re-adjust them a little bit and make them a little

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Latest stupid helicopter trick

2003-11-30 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sunday 30 November 2003 19:45, Jim Wilson wrote: http://www.spiderbark.com/fgfs/penthouseview.png Very nice landing. ;) Best Regards, Oliver C. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Latest stupid helicopter trick

2003-11-30 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-skyscraper2.jpg Best Regards, Oliver C. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Latest stupid helicopter trick

2003-11-30 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sunday 30 November 2003 20:50, Jim Wilson wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Sunday 30 November 2003 19:45, Jim Wilson wrote: http://www.spiderbark.com/fgfs/penthouseview.png Very nice landing. ;) Thanks. It was a crash the first try. First I got into a lot

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Playing with textures

2003-12-02 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
frame, and you will see that it is a *lot* of work. Couldn't we load the whole data into RAM before? 1 GB Ram are cheap today. Best Regards, Oliver C. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Playing with textures

2003-12-02 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tuesday 02 December 2003 13:57, Curtis L. Olson wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Couldn't we load the whole data into RAM before? 1 GB Ram are cheap today. 1. Threre is a big difference between having texture data loaded into main RAM vs. having the texture data loaded into your

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Playing with textures

2003-12-02 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
runnable. We could create a second branch in the CVS and merge them back together when the new one is working. Best Regards, Oliver C. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Playing with textures

2003-12-02 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Playing with textures

2003-12-02 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Video card recommendation

2003-12-05 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have a Geforce 4 Ti 4200 and this card works perfectly with flightgear under Linux. I don't know how Flightgear runs on a FX 5200. Best Regards, Oliver C. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman

[Flightgear-devel] aircraft TODO list

2003-12-12 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- alias is missing - 3d cockpit is incomplete, could need some more work - engines can't be turned off - no aircraft lights when lights are turned on ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org

Re: [Flightgear-devel] RE: [Jsbsim-devel] FlightGear on O'Reilly Network, December 11

2003-12-14 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
of the ALC API (the Audio Library Context). Unlike OpenGL's GLX, WGL and other OS-specific bindings, the ALC API is portable across platforms as well. - Best Regards, Oliver C. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL

Re: [Flightgear-devel] aircraft TODO list

2003-12-14 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Friday 12 December 2003 22:52, David Megginson wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The result is this aircraft TODO list, i suggest adding this file to cvs in the data/Aircraft directory, so that new entrys or old entrys can easily be removed in this file when an aircraft gets upgraded

Re: [Flightgear-devel] aircraft TODO list

2003-12-14 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
. I will try that. ;) Best Regards, Oliver C. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel

Re: [Flightgear-devel] aircraft TODO list

2003-12-14 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: aircraft TODO list

2003-12-14 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
be quite usefull. Best Regards, Oliver C. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel

[Flightgear-devel] We could need a cvs directory for the world scenery files

2004-01-20 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
. This way volunteers could easily work on their favourite area and add improvements like 3d real world buildings to the world scenery. What is your opionion about that? Best Regards, Oliver C. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED

[Flightgear-devel] Could we add wheels to this Boeing?

2004-01-25 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Could we add wheels to this Boeing you can see in the background of this screenshot? http://www.8ung.at/mars/images/boeing-without-landing-gears.jpg Best Regards, Oliver C. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Exterior Views... Update: Airbus Aircraft Familiy

2004-01-26 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ok, i found some drawings of the Airbus Aircraft Familiy: http://www.airbus.com/media/drawings.asp Best Regards, Oliver C. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel

[Flightgear-devel] Exterior Views of the Boeing Aircraft Familiy

2004-01-26 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Exterior Views of Airbus A380

2004-01-26 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Voice Capability

2004-02-04 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[Flightgear-devel] Switching from Glut to SDL+OpenGL

2004-02-08 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
to use OpenAL for the sound, what is the status about using OpenAL in FSFG? Best Regards, Oliver C. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Switching from Glut to SDL+OpenGL

2004-02-09 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
/openal-devel/2004-February/thread.html I also think that ID software will use it for Doom 3 on Linux. Best Regards, Oliver C. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Terrain model holes

2004-03-23 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
it, and still makes sense for many reasons today. Just a question: What kind of reasons were that? Best Regards, Oliver C. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Next release of FlightGear

2004-07-17 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] May I help with scenery?

2005-01-12 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Martin: If I can assist you by providing space on my ftp site I'll be happy to do so. (I currently mirror the flightgear code. It's updated automatically from them by some sort of magic that I don't fully understand, but Curtis does. grin!) There is also a private upload area in that server

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Anyone using TomTom POI files for scenery

2005-03-03 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I don't recall ever seeing that model, or anythng referring to it! In any case, please accept my (belated) thanks for doing it!~ jj On Wed, 2 Mar 2005, Erik Hofman wrote: Curtis L. Olson wrote: jj wrote: I'd surely like to see an Observatory bulding (such as mine, see

[Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer VATSIM-IVAO Network

2005-08-14 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi all! Yes, I know this topic has already been discussed and I know also that someone of you is working on the FG multiplayer code... anyway I think that it will be an advantage to the FG comunity to interface to IVAO and/or VATSIM networks. Ok, They don't want that a GPL tools is used to

[Flightgear-devel] Push-Back?

2005-11-28 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi All, I would like to contribute to coding Flightgear, unfortunately I'm not very experienced in c++ programming, I only did some small projects to make daily work life a little easier. In FLYII there was a nive goodie-script called Push-Back. 1. After hitting the hotkey, there was a

[Flightgear-devel] [PATCH] Include Saitek X36 with X45 joystick xml file

2005-12-01 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From what I'm seeing, the Saitek X45 is almost identical to the Saitek X36 joystick. I own both of them and the only differences I'm seeing (from just looking at them) is the X45 has a candy blue decals along with more fancy red lights. All in all, they look and almost perform identical. This

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [PATCH] Include Saitek X36 with X45 joystick xml file

2005-12-01 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Take this back.. I'm playing with the X45 now and things are completely different. Might be best to have a seperate X36.xml file. On Thu, 2005-12-01 at 14:42 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From what I'm seeing, the Saitek X45 is almost identical to the Saitek X36 joystick. I own both