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From: Korhan Erel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: FLUXLIST: Turc flux trix
Date: Monday, January 10, 2000 10:54 PM
Can somebody translate this into English?
Well, I can't give a full trans, but it's the Turkish government wanting to
eradicate the use of
Haider, Haider, Haider, what I hate most on him is this Sport, Sport,
Sport attitude. Schwarzenegger is from Austria too Austria needs
more,
not less, art.
He has been on german TV now, and the general impression is, that the
usual arogant style of TV journalism didnt work. Dont know
Czechs, too. If you deny your own (fairly recent)
history, then you play right into the hands
of people like Haider.
Tim
how can you say "ethnic cleansing" is a Czech invention? what do you
mean?
who did we "cleanse out"?
jana
You know, I think he meant Yugoslavia.
As long as they're doing whatever they're doing yesterday--note, the
deadline has passed.
AK
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Sexathon call for submissions
Date: Saturday, February 12, 2000 3:12 PM
In a message dated 02/12/2000 11:09:56 AM
By the way, Roger, I and son very much enjoyed the Poetry Zone, and I'm
forwarding the info to his school. Are Herrick's verse novels available in
the US?
AK
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From: Roger Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: FLUXLIST [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: FLUXLIST: Fluxlist Book Non Starter
Date:
I'd be interested to know if other people feel strongly about this. I
thought that the first few files could be posted to the list just to
generate interest in taking part in this midi project. Also I felt that
others who weren't going to take part might like to hear what can be done
with
Not philly joe jones, surely
AK
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: FLUXLIST: joe jones
Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 2:00 PM
hello,
i'm curious if anyone knows of any documentation of the music of joe
jones. i
think that there was a release a
Satie's work had no special influence on the concept for which I coined
the
term "musicality." The concept of musicality involves applying the idea
of
a notational form to art that can then be rendered by any artist as the
performer or realizer of the work. That is the essence of music
Actually I really enjoyed yesterday's discussion and when I got home from
work immediately listened to
several Gnossiennes.
I've got the scores for a bunch of Satie, and some facsimiles, and I'm
trying to practice them up. They are lots of fun and very forgiving,
becoming different though
Different in the US. It was hard to find out about here, at least in the
midwest.
AK
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From: Heiko Recktenwald [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Why?
Date: Saturday, March 25, 2000 12:31 AM
art books and "find" artists whose work interests me. Flux
music a
lot. It was very comical and he used to play three horns at once.
RA
Ann Klefstad wrote:
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From: Davidson Gigliotti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: query
Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 12:22 PM
Oh yes, I remember Sun Ra
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From: Davidson Gigliotti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: query
Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 12:22 PM
Oh yes, I remember Sun Ra.
I saw him in a tiny hall in Santa Monica. The thing about him and his very
large Arkestra is that they all lived
All right, get serious about obscurity. Who has any Residents albums?
AK
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From: Heiko Recktenwald [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: query
Date: Thursday, March 30, 2000 10:26 AM
"Safe As Milk" was Beefheart's first album. Produced by Ry Cooder. In
I only have Duck Stab. Perhaps we could trade tapes--
I did see an installation they did re the Mole People, w/ music. Pretty fun
and brilliant, in a slightly darker Krazy Kat tradition.
AK
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: query
Myke
For sure, LP's covers had to wait until Edison to appear as a fruitful
idea...
however, it seems to me that written music, and I'm not only speaking of
the
enluminated religious song codexes of the medieval ages, used to be
loudly
illustrated, particularly when the were published,
--
From: Lord Hasenpfeffer
Still, his music was legitimately "released" and later embraced by the
public
all without the assistance of "cover art" which was my point. To feel a
sense
of illegitimacy about the state of one's music because it has no
associated
cover art is a
In response to your lucid comparisons of flavors of Pop, Ken:
I really don't think american pop was cynical in the least. I think it
represents precisely that straightforward American pragmatism that you
mention. There's a sort of sunny romance, a Saturday-morning bliss, to
Warhol in particular
My god! It's epic!
AK
George Free wrote:
If production was involved, it should be of the non-expressive,
non-intentional sort -- a la Cage, Mac Low etc.
Anyone read the "Gematria" stuff that Jerome Rothenberg did? It's
Flux-related, as it's process-oriented, nonexpressive (that is,
expresses the language as a
Ooo! Haven't seen. Don't suppose you could scan and send--off list if people
would become irritated by large visual files--
AK
Heiko Recktenwald wrote:
mention. There's a sort of sunny romance, a Saturday-morning bliss, to
Warhol in particular that becomes totally obvious looking at his
Yes, I'd agree. I can never resist making things big. Big comix are not the same
as little comix. No redundancy.
AK
Heiko Recktenwald wrote:
Nice quote, but arent both ways ok ? Whats wrong with Lichtenstein ? Those
were the 60s..
On Tue, 20 Apr 2094, ddyment wrote:
as always,
Reed Altemus wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 04/21/2000 8:31:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
me. Quite bland. I think Rimbaud's life was more interesting than his
art. That's my
Matineee d'ivresse ?
Yes, but did you think that
Heiko Recktenwald wrote:
Somebody was lucky enough to have lunch with Cage, who visited her Prof.
And she said he was absolutely uninteresting and boring, can you imagine
that ?
Well, you know, we're not all of us on all the time. We're not dancing bears
or performing seals, bound to
Rod Stasick wrote:
"Crustacean's Literary Centre":
http://web.lab.net/~lime/clc/the_clc.html
(Does anyone remember Crabby Appleton?)
Rod
Rotten to the core! Sure.
I remember when we first got the idea of eating the bait. In northern
minnesota, people sometimes use crayfish for bait.
"Villani, Adam" wrote:
we have . . .offshore
oil drilling operations dressed up to look like resort islands! (Scroll to
the bottom of http://www.ci.long-beach.ca.us/aboutlb/galery10.htm)
How about a Fluxlist Travel Guide--Patricia's butterflies aren't just any
butterflies, Pacific Grove
Finally watery sun, and chlorophyll streaming down to the tips of twigs.
Lake full of choppy swell.
AK
Patricia wrote:
6:23 a.m.
NW California/Coast
Mild
Overcast
Roger Stevens wrote:
12.09
SE England
Mild
Overcast
Things have been strange since the opposing voice to capitalism died out. It's true
that oppositional voices have gotten more
confused-sounding, less effective perhaps. There's some interest, though, in the
highly specific protests (over green issues, against
world bank, etc) that tend to be
how you can fight capitalism in theory
wearing one of his prominent symbols (blujeans) of freedom
at the same time?
...pez
I love your insight that one wears not what one is but what one wants to be . . .
excellent thought to remember.
I think maybe one of the problems of the trad. left is
Kathy Forer wrote:
Heiko Recktenwald wrote:
So you think they reinvented the name ? ;-)
Fluxus homonyms
Apparently if you say it with a rising tone it means "electricity" in
Sino-French.
AK
Patricia, I did take a look, and the thing on the 400,000-yr-old pigment
finds was great. The range of color, that it was apparently used as body
paint, the fact that painting predates the physical evolution of the
species--all very interesting! Now I want pictures of the various
colors-yellow,
Sol wrote in response to Patricia:
I think that's the case here. People are too hung up on possibly losing
money that they haven't even made yet - all the artists who complain about
this kind of thing are loaded anyway.when it comes down to it you can't
really own anything. You come
How about we cut out the bits of paintings we don't like, too, and demand our
money back? How come people who complain about spending their hardearned money
on art always follow up by criticizing artists for being too desirous of money?
Like bitching about spending an extra ten bucks isn't
Sol Nte wrote:
Hi all,
To be honest I expected some sort of response to my post yesterday about the
box. I got one reply offlist.
I still want to know who did what if they didn't sign it.
I did the pair a ceramic dice wrapped in text. Sorry I didn't sign it--I was not
thinking of
"i did not received mine. i'm afraid the venezuela post office is like
turkish one.
in our kind of socialism we all are under suspicion.
...pez
It is too bad you haven't gotten it--I loved your matchbox piece, by the way.
Very nice!
AK
AK wrote:
I'm struck by the fact that the synchronic experience of the box
elides the diachronicity of each series, to counterfeit a phrase--
And Kathy Forer wrote:
From what is the phrase a counterfeit?
"I came to debase the coinage."
--Diogenes the Kynic
AK
Don Boyd wrote:
It has been my experience in trying to get those artists in the school
appointments that anything so experimental as FLUXUS old or new
would be beyond the coprehension od most arts council panels.
I have gotten a couple of grants and been an artist in the schools once
but
Well, maybe this is why it's hard for people to see paintings nowadays.
They expect to see everything at once. 2D work and sculpture are also
temporal, even though they do not move. When I write reviews, I try to
always include some note on how long you need to look at the work to
start seeing
writes bestpoet:
In some ways I think Hillary is right, it does take a village to raise a
child, and these kids perceive that the village doesn't care about them as
much as it cares about others. I think it's really difficult for us to
imagine what it's like to be raised in that kind of
Ken Friedman wrote:
Come on, people.
Dear Ken,
Myke made his suggestion tongue-in-cheek, with a certain bitterness. In the debate
over copyright, his position has been that it is illegitimate to take work without
authorization. So in this case where it would obviously be a base act to post
Sounds wonderful! Seed trading, and doc of what grows for the photo
galleries? That I could do, except the season is wrong for seedgathering
--could we wait til august? This is the only city I know of that's got
wildflowers everywhere, probably all those decades of delayed
maintenance, they
steins pocket stones
"The coordination of hands and eyes"
"The explorer should know how to recognize spots
he has seen before, and which he will
recognize again."
a hand spot, eyed
a hand over the spot
eyes covered seeing
recognize again
blind eyes and a small
George, how did you take this photograph so you got the screen without
flicker?
the photo was taken with ordinary Kodak Gold film, using a 35 mm and a
flash. It just turned out that way.
cheers,
George
It's the flash.
"narvis ...pez" wrote:
ps 2: sorry, duchamp again but i wonder if the first
piece-piss-art in
history is his "fountain" (new york, 1917)
Rembrandt did some charming tiny drawings of pissing women--just because
they're depictions shouldn't obviate their subversiveness.
Thinking of
Free Fluxlist Now!
/:b
It is free. It's a collective, which is self-governing. People are free to say
what they like, but no one is free to silence others with insult and obscenity,
or impose such noise on ongoing discussion that the discussion becomes impossible.
Emotion is fine. What Sol
Kathy! Wonderful Commonplace Book of thoughts on liberty; thank you for
your research and your thoughtfulness. Having children, I am, by
default, initially an autocrat and must gradually cede to them their
liberty. Being by instinct someone who takes a fair amount of license
for herself--a real
Ken and others:
I know it tries peoples' patience when topics get ground up fine, but
eventually boredom instantiates creativity, or at least research, and
genuinely interesting things can happen as a result (see Forer, Kathy,
2000). On a list in which Cage's works are often under discussion,
It was a little academic type joke, citing your research in-text with
its (internet) pub date. A little pedantry can be amusing sometimes . .
.
AK
Kathy Forer wrote:
ann klefstad wrote:
(see Forer, Kathy, 2000)
I'm not sure what this means, but as long as it's not Forer, Kathy
(19XX-2000
{ brad brace } wrote:
... oh sure; a self-appointed "collective" of ten who unilaterally
censure the entire list.
Well, not selfappointed. I wouldn't have ventured to appoint myself to anything
of the sort. And that's "censor" you mean, I think--you are, for instance, now
censuring me.
scott rigby wrote:
If manditory transgression is written into the job description of a
particular group of individuals (artists), and if this is depended upon
by another group(s) of people (art enthusiasts) for amusement and/ or
reassurance, then how can those who wish to be 'truly'
Indeed. Lotsa fun. Love the transformation machines, the markov chain
device, etc. And many others--
There's an incredible range of techniques, devices, and relations to
language represented. Thanks, Roger, for your wideranging sensibility
and willingness to help others be heard. Whatta mensch!
says BestPoet:
. Making sex beautiful, that's trangressive.
In other words, letting transgression be beside the point, neither courted nor
avoided, and pursuing, with avidity, what one loves. Defending, with avidity,
what one loves.
AK
Eryk Salvaggio wrote:
But as I said, hearing out the obscene phone calls can be a muse;
But a whim or a desire to hear out obscene phone calls is different than a
responsibility to hear them out, which was my example.
And forgive me as well, but being female in this culture (and perhaps in
I called for no violence directed at you; I asked you to imagine such an event, as
you seemed perhaps deficient in empathy.
If you didn't see the post in question it may be difficult for you to speak of it
accurately. It was very similar to an obscene phone call (which is not a prank
phone
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 06/27/2000 3:00:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Kathy Acker's treatments of obscenity might interest you; they hold more
interest
for me than the rather stale patriarchal guilt/desire of, say, Miller.
I think it
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 06/27/2000 1:09:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
. Making sex beautiful, that's trangressive.
In other words, letting transgression be beside the point, neither courted
nor
avoided, and pursuing, with avidity,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 06/27/2000 5:37:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
i'm trying to make artworks out of my feces by trying
to eat different kinds of foods and drinking some
edible coloringsany suggestions what other kinds
of food
George Free wrote:
I believe someone else posted this quotation. As for myself, I don't get it.
Lined paper is a useful technology which I find helpful. I also find it
helpful when people write from left to right, though thoughtful alternatives
can be stimulating ;-)
I used to write with
Now, now . . . John Held's butt does not come amiss. A welcome bit of
info--as is the fact, which I always suspected, that P. is a redhead.
AK
allen bukoff wrote:
better proof to me would be a close-up image of a perfed sheet of
stamps...instead of pictures of John Held's butt
Proof of
Sure. Sounds like fun. Perhaps I'll do a nondigital version? drawings, maybe, or a
thought
about a particular topic revisited every day--I'll tune something up. Hey, maybe a
record of
my progress learning a new piano thing? O god no, that would be painful.
Charming notion. Someday I do want to
CHAMPOY wrote:
.THAT ART should be nATIONALISTIC...it would really help me
to hear what you have to say especially most of you
who come from different NATIONALITIES?
Nations and races tend to be tyrannical when they are interested in
purity, in Themselves. This holds true no matter what
Andrew Dalio wrote:
I'm a little confused. How can so many people put out so much pretentious crap 4
times a day?
Just wondering,
-andrew
High-fiber diet, in my case.
The fire sculpture sounds actually quite nifty. Here in the North, in Ely,
Minnesota, there's a long-established snow sculpture event that leads to much
cameraderie among artists, reputedly (I've never taken part, but plan to
someday--)
Remember in Caesar's _Gallic Wars_, his account of the
I think the stone experiment is highly fluxish; the egyptian pyramid/chinese
funeral money also; my piece, the fired clay dice with different impressions
on them and scrap of text, is probably more arte povera than flux, in a way.
I have a greater sense for material possibility than a sense of
David Baptiste Chirot wrote:
It is rather overwhelming to learn of the methods others are
employing for their projects--
as mine are very lowtech--
Sounds wonderful. I am also not someone who can make programs. I'm doing
drawings instead, of a changing state of a plant.
alan bowman wrote:
ahem!
not only am i inept at web design, but it would appear that the simple task
of sending an email is in fact beyond me.
i apologise!
the mail about redentore is not for Fluxlist, sorry!
O I'm envious! Tell us the story, please?
AK
Interesting piece, Heiko, though doubtless I'm missing some nuances, my
German is not so hot. The double valence of the mouth was nice,
though and of course as he says that's an old story. Language itself
is a technology.
AK
on the article. Sorry about the missent comment. Sometimes the reply
button is better than typing in the address, especially when one can't
seem to keep the sources straight. Apologies to all.
AK
Patricia wrote:
The Power of Art!!!
Saw the Bruce Conner show yesterday at the deYoung in San
Francisco
Great review, Patricia! I saw the show at the Walker, and what I really
liked was the film work, some great stuff, assembled found footage, some
footage presented on editing machines
OK, Devon, but it better be truly cool:
Ann Klefstad
5913 London Road
Duluth, MN 55804
email obvious
From the Slough of Overwork, made nearly impassible by Truly Freakin
Wonderful Weather, balancing on one tussock of Rainy Day,
AK
Sol Nte wrote:
Hi all,
I know many of you work full-time at a job other than as an artist and yet
still find the time to work to a significant degree as artists. Often for
those of us interested in the avant-garde making a living from our artistic
interests is not an option.
Heiko Recktenwald wrote:
stop being a poet? Its impossible. Theres a trick to not losing
poetry, its called writing it down. Scratch it into wood.
But this "writing it down" makes it very different. Live and art, maybe
this was much different before t6he invention of letters.
H.
Memories of Underdevelopment was a Cuban film, a fictional film, not a docu, very
lovely.
Burnt by the Sun, another lovely harrowing thing from USSR
Lots of stunning Fifth Generation Chinese films, Red Sorghum, Big Parade, Blue Kite
of course all those old Eisensteins, Potemkin, Ivan, etc
Eryk
o yeah and Ashes and Diamonds from Poland
How about Red
White
and Blue (or are they too late?)
And of course of course my favorite film of all time (I've got dozens of those)
Andrei Rublev, by Tarkovsky
First saw it during a filmfest in SF, I was working graveyard
A ps of sorts--after the post re that dear man Lawrence Sterne.
Now, Thomas Bernhard bores me to tears. All that selfawareness. It's
like aquiring a taste for your own teeth.
AK
Heiko Recktenwald wrote:
Laurence Sterne..
On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, Roger Stevens wrote:
I read bits of this at
What!! What? What?! Boring? Obviously badly translated -- mucho joy in
the language is part of the Sterne experience. I've read it several
times and never been bored. And also his travel journal thing, is
lovely, an open-eyed person is never out of date.
AK
Heiko Recktenwald wrote:
Laurence
Howsabout the Chronotopians?
AK
Patricia Dean wrote:
To All:My
friend Lila has a new chamber music group. They need a name!!Musicians
are violinist, cellist, guitarist (guitarist also plays lute and mandolin),
soprano vocalist (also flutist). Music consists of opera, classical,
baroque,
"narvis ...pez" wrote:
i never forget the chapter of ulysses
called circe's episode
this is the best antinationalist text
i've ever read
At 08:51 pm -0400 12/9/00, meryl wrote:
Wait a minute now! I've read both Finnegan's Wake and Ulysses. In fact
I've read Ulysses several times,
Bertrand et Claudia CLAVEZ wrote:
I might suggest also the lecture of "a Modest Proposal", an actual speech of
Sterne at the Lord Chamber in which he denounces the starvation in Ireland by
proposing various way of cooking babies to fight the lack of food.
That's actually not Sterne, that's
Heiko Recktenwald wrote:
Its a great exemple how the sound of the village names can influence the
feeling. Locmariaquer etc..
This is such a bizarre coincidence. I'm editing a book, a sort of memoir of an
oysterman, which cites several times a work called "The Oysters of
Locmariaquer".
meryl wrote:
Couldn't download your stuff due to (endless) technical difficulties. But
anything that combines ska and a confused and frustrated audience can't be
bad in my book (which today happens to be A Void by Georges Perec).
Georges Perec! The best of best! All those guys, Queneau
On George's and Owen's exchange:
I'd agree w/ George that "play" for Derrida isn't at all the same as "play" in the
sense that Flux or Amer. a-g would have used it. D's play is more like, say, the
"play" in a steering linkage or the "play" in a hinge. Some what you might call
wiggle.
And yeah,
garde, which is no longer avant but rather, and so
appropriately, a derriere-garde.
AK
George Free wrote:
On Fri, 22 Sep 2000, ann klefstad wrote:
To me the subtext that produces D's
discourse has to do with the post-Holocaust perception of the faithlessness of the
body. A rhetoric
Can use acetone to do the transfers from xeroxes--so xerox images from
newspaper etc and then transfer w/ acetone, a relatively benign solvent (much
less deadly than some others). Also, since the advent of soy inks, the old
solvent-transfer from newspaper thing doesn't work as well. This
Narcissus In Paradys wrote:
~Davide (WITH AN E GOD DAMN IT!)
I gave both of my children names that they must patiently spell out for people. I
think it builds character.
AK
David Baptiste Chirot wrote:
25/10/00 pastel afternoon
coal-age poem: BASSO POEFrOUNDo
a score for two or more
voices
Ah! Pym! That wonderful text. I don't
O but it was charming--how did you do that?
AK
Alex Cook wrote:
Fluxlist, please accept my apologies, I meant to reply that just to Alan.
56K is probably not a inbox killer, but I apologize nonetheless.
Alex V. Cook
Cool indeed. I wish my nose presented such an inviting palette.
AK
Carol Starr wrote:
where do we send the treats?
allen bukoff wrote:
Tonight's Halloween costume can be viewed at
http://www.nutscape.com/halloween/ .
--
carol starr
taos, new mexico, usa
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sure. Sounds like a good thing--
AK
{ brad brace } wrote:
Anyone still interested in a Fluxlist Seed Exchange?
I'm still willing to coordinate.
A small, thin, handmade paper pkg might be appropriate: 2 x 3.25 inches
max size.
There should be room for 30-40 contributions in each lovely
I myself would hope that the notion of "progress" in art, an imagining of arthistory
to parallel, say, the development of material technologies, could be discarded. Thus
the notion of the avantgarde--that is, those out in front, those "most
progressive"--could also be discarded. I don't think
I also. In 72, 73, 74, reading Art International (prev. incarnation of the thing
that is now Flash Art, I think) and then seeing a copy of the Secret Block, from
a friend who'd spent the previous year in England, and these bits and pieces of
information on what Beuys was doing filtering in--
David Baptiste Chirot wrote:
My first memories of hearing about Fluxus and Happenings--I was
about ten--in 1963. Some friends who visited a lot from New York City
talked about it--my brother who was seven and I were fascinated--
"Happenings"--"Fluxus"--sounded like the
:
--- ann klefstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I also. In 72, 73, 74, reading Art International (prev.
incarnation of the thing
that is now Flash Art, I think)
Ann:
Do you remember "Arts Magazine"? A very simple name for a
very forward-looking magazine. That was *my* in
Bless you, Don, for a soul without jealousy. I too like Beuys's work and I find
his impulses prescient; it seems to me, from what I know of the times and from
what I read, that the intersection of Beuys and Fluxus may have been brief but
was important and fruitful. These crossings of trajectories
I don't ever ever open an emailed file with an "exe" extension.
AK
"P.K. Harris" wrote:
If you receive an email with a romeo.exe and a juliet.exe message, do
NOT open it. I received one this morning and thankfully checked here
first.
http://www.europe.datafellows.com/v-descs/blebla.htm
ok, Don Tessio has a nice austere ring to it. I like.
AK
Patricia wrote:
"Brooklyn Vinnie the Beard Francesco"
Good Grief!!!
Melissa McCarthy wrote:
Hey, youse! See what dey'd call ya if ya wuz in da "family business".
I think painting is both "opera" and a living language. The peculiar thing
about the times is that most modes of making are palimpsests of archive and
the new. See Sigmar Polke, eg.With libraries, video stores, cd reissues,
mp3s, etc., the range of the available texts/images becomes very
Dear Pez, I have been working on it just yesterday! My internal deadline
clock began going off, so I put hesitation aside and began trying out
ideas. I'm drawing on printouts and will scan them back in and send--I
hope that's ok. I'm too clumsy with computer drawing tools. I hope to
have them
Or you could do it the cheap and dirty way--mineral spirits, rub rub, then
detergent and lotsa warm water flush flush, put old towels over, stomp stomp, call
it a day.
AK
Carol Starr wrote:
hi roger,
this from my 'how to clean everything' book;
use ice cubes to chill the tar to
You guys, you guys. Some plants bad, others good? Some nature ok, but other
nature because it eats some of the nature you planted bad? Living on the edge of
the second-growth scrawny and beautiful woods that go on forever (god bless
tax-forfeit land) and propagating mostly just whatever happens
Geez, no answer for your climate, but my grandmother had wonderful raspberries
every year up here in the frozen north, and what she'd do, she'd cut them all
down short every late fall and up they'd come. These were not trailing
raspberries, they were just regular bushes.
AK
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