[fonc] Other interesting projects?

2010-05-08 Thread Max OrHai
that they'd care to comment on? Here's a Google Tech Talks video of Pestov introducing Factor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_0QlhYlS8g - Max OrHai ___ fonc mailing list fonc@vpri.org http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc

Re: [fonc] Other interesting projects?

2010-05-08 Thread Max OrHai
robably narrower than it could be, though: I'll defer to the more experienced. - Max On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 5:03 PM, Alan Kay wrote: > Hi Max, > > Well, what properties do you think might be "enormously problematic" with > stack languages ? > > Cheers,

Re: [fonc] goals

2010-07-08 Thread Max OrHai
I think Ryan has best articulated what it's all about for me anyway: "regaining control of our technology". Simplicity and clarity are, to some extent, their own imperative. That's nothing new: Occam's Razor has long been the dominant aesthetic in mathematics and the natural sciences at least. In

Re: [fonc] goals

2010-07-09 Thread Max OrHai
Just to clarify, I'm a bit uncomfortable with "productivity" talk here because it seems too narrow and ill-defined. Productivity of what exactly? By whom? For whom? To what end? To a specific manager of a specific project in a specific development phase, these questions may have specific, meaningfu

Re: [fonc] goals

2010-07-11 Thread Max OrHai
On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 3:22 AM, Steve Dekorte wrote: > It seems as if each computing culture fails to establish a measure for it's > own goals which leaves it with no means of critically analyzing it's > assumptions resulting in the technical equivalent of religious dogma. From > this perspectiv

Re: [fonc] Growing Objects?

2010-10-15 Thread Max OrHai
Also, some interesting research along these lines by Stephanie Forrest of the University of New Mexico: http://genprog.adaptive.cs.unm.edu/ -- Max On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Murat Girgin wrote: > Cunningham's "Extreme Genetic Programming" might be of interest: > http://www.neocoretechs.

Re: [fonc] paper from SPLASH 2010 - From OO to FPGA: Fitting Round Objects into Square Hardware?

2010-11-01 Thread Max OrHai
y little computers is a good match for Alan Kay's vision of a dynamic network of metaphorical 'little computers', but in any case I think that they deserve a shout-out. Regards, -- Max OrHai On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Jecel Assumpcao Jr. wrote: > John Zabroski wrote: > > &

Re: [fonc] (no subject)

2010-11-19 Thread Max OrHai
Would he be kind enough to post it somewhere the rest of us can use it? -- Max On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Sachin Desai wrote: > Thanks Dan, > > Ted Kaehler was kind enough to send me a plugin which works with the image. > > -- Sachin > > On Nov 19, 2010, at 2:03 PM, Dan Amelang wrote: >

Re: [fonc] The best TED talks you've seen?

2011-01-19 Thread Max OrHai
Ok, Ok, me too. Thanks for the prompt, Z-Bo. How about these classics: http://www.ted.com/talks/jeff_han_demos_his_breakthrough_touchscreen.html http://www.ted.com/talks/blaise_aguera_y_arcas_demos_photosynth.html ...and of course http://www.ted.com/talks/neil_gershenfeld_on_fab_labs.html (My fav

Re: [fonc] Active Essays

2011-04-08 Thread Max OrHai
The best active essays I've seen lately are NetLogo 'models'. While NetLogo was never intended to be a general-purpose programming language, and there are quite a few things it just gets wrong, I'm quite impressed by the diversity of the simulations made with it, as well as the clarity and 'natural

Re: [fonc] Alto-2?

2011-05-25 Thread Max OrHai
This sounds like a really cool project, and I hope you report to the list as you make progress. Have you looked at Jecel Assumpcao's SiliconSqueak? An awful lot can be done on the cheap with modern FPGAs, so long as you don't stray *too* far from the conventional CPU design space... (For an example

Re: [fonc] Re: Electrical Actors?

2011-06-05 Thread Max OrHai
You might get a kick out of this toy model I made to demonstrate how a mesh (or "cloud") of minimal "hardware actors" can work together to compute. It's the latest in a series of explorations of the "particle / field" concept... http://cs.pdx.edu/~orhai/mesh-sort I think there's a lot that can be

Re: [fonc] Alternative Web programming models?

2011-06-10 Thread Max OrHai
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 11:09 AM, BGB wrote: < snip ... > > there is not a whole lot that seems in common between a browser and an OS. > > yes, there is Chrome OS, but I sort of suspect this will (probably) fall on > its face (vs... say... installing real Linux on the netbooks...). > BGB, you're

Re: [fonc] Alternative Web programming models?

2011-06-10 Thread Max OrHai
"just work" for the fairly simple tasks I expect of them. -- Max On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 1:19 PM, BGB wrote: > On 6/10/2011 12:45 PM, Max OrHai wrote: > > > > On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 11:09 AM, BGB wrote: > < snip ... > > >> there is not a whole lot tha

Re: [fonc] Consolidation and collaboration

2011-06-15 Thread Max OrHai
Thank Ward Cunningham, nearly fifteen years ago, long before the appearance of Jimmy Wales and his ilk. Of course, the idea of a "Pattern Language" is due to Christopher Alexander, in the seventies. And as for where he got it... http://www.patternlanguage.com/leveltwo/patternsframe.htm?/leveltwo/.

Re: [fonc] Coding at the Speed of Touch

2011-06-16 Thread Max OrHai
Prograph, much like Self, looks to be another tragic visual programming language story (and the moving obituary for the lead developer on the Andescotia Marten website doesn't help!) As far as I'm aware, the visual dataflow language that gets the most actual use nowadays (albeit in a narrow niche

Re: Age and Language (was Re: [fonc] Alternative Web programming models?)

2011-06-21 Thread Max OrHai
There are certainly practical differences between "conventional" relational databases and hierarchical filesystems, without having to get into implementation details. I'm sure at least a few people on this list are familiar with the BeOS filesystem, which acted much more like a relational DBMS tha

Re: Age and Language (was Re: [fonc] Alternative Web programming models?)

2011-06-22 Thread Max OrHai
environment We recount the problems with existing models > >> and database systems We then show how features of Smalltalk, such such > >> as operational semantics, its type hierarchy, entity identity and the > >> merging of programming and data language, solve many of those

Re: Age and Language (was Re: [fonc] Alternative Web programming models?)

2011-06-22 Thread Max OrHai
edia capabilities and increasing the overall expressive power. I don't mind giving up the comfort of familiar habits, and I don't give a whit about delivering a product to anyone. That's why I read this list. -- Max On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Julian Leviston wrote: > >

Re: [fonc] Eternal computing

2011-06-29 Thread Max OrHai
A couple more references in this vein: Robert Rosen's work in theoretical biology predates the autopoiesis theory of Maturana and Varela by a couple decades, and is somewhat more general and mathematically rigorous. He's not as well-known, but his book *Life Itself* is well worth reading, although

Re: [fonc] Eternal computing

2011-06-30 Thread Max OrHai
Thanks for the link! RDP looks quite interesting, and I'm looking forward to further developments. Some of the space-time leakage problems of the early FRP models have been addressed with Nillson and Hudak's Arrows-based Yampa system; could you use any of this in your Haskell RDP implementation? A

Re: [fonc] Good books on control theory?

2011-09-01 Thread Max OrHai
My "thinking out loud" response would be that classical control theory may not be very well suited to CS-type problems, which often can't even be approximated by linear systems. Cybernetic feedback control, a la Weiner, is IIRC mostly about systems with a few continuous variables, while our problem

Re: [fonc] making matter come alive

2011-09-20 Thread Max OrHai
I've encountered this "wet a-life" research program before. There's a biologist at my school who's doing similar stuff... see http://web.pdx.edu/~niles/Lehman_Lab_at_PSU/Research.html I think your analogy is quite understated, Subbu. There are an awful lot more than 2^(2^10) permutations of elemen

Re: [fonc] making matter come alive

2011-09-20 Thread Max OrHai
> random expression trees mutating. > OK, so less Ray's Tierra then Koza's Genetic Programming? Still too much structure "baked in", I'd say. All the GP stuff I've ever seen has been more about selection than "natural" evolution; the modularity, replication and selection is provided for free by th

Re: [fonc] making matter come alive

2011-09-21 Thread Max OrHai
fe > Itself") how biological systems can be modeled with the use of Category > Theory (it's all about the arrows/morphisms). > > Peter > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Max OrHai wrote: > >> I've encountered this "wet a-life"

Re: [fonc] Sussman on InfoQ: We Really Don't Know How To Compute!

2011-11-08 Thread Max OrHai
This is a good one. Sussman, like many pioneers, is refreshingly un-dogmatic, perhaps as a consequence of having never been properly indoctrinated by the standard CS curriculum. Plus, he's both brilliant and by this point very experienced in solving lots of real problems. FWIW, he could certainly

[fonc] Fwd: [AGERE! at SPLASH] Talks by Mark Miller

2011-11-08 Thread Max OrHai
Some on this list with interests in security may enjoy these, too... Related: - The AGERE! (Actors and Agents Reloaded) workshop webpage: http://www.alice.unibo.it/xwiki/bin/view/AGERE/ - AmbientTalk (actor language for mobile devices): http://soft.vub.ac.be/amop/ -- Max -- Forwarded me

Re: [fonc] OLPC related

2011-11-14 Thread Max OrHai
Criticism of the OLPC project is easy to find, so I won't repeat much of it here, except to say that I find their whole model obnoxiously paternalistic; it's based on centralized government-controlled institutions (that is, schools), government and NGO subsidies for equipment, dependence on foreign

Re: [fonc] Error trying to compile COLA

2012-02-29 Thread Max Orhai
It's entirely beside the point, but there is another workaround route to fast parallel code in the (Firefox) browser, called River Trail: https://github.com/RiverTrail/RiverTrail Quoting the project wiki: In a world where the web browser is the user’s window into computing, browser applications m

Re: [fonc] Sorting the WWW mess

2012-03-01 Thread Max Orhai
Nelson's still kicking, you know: see http://gzigzag.sourceforge.net/ for some recent spin-offs. -- Max On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Casey Ransberger wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 7:04 AM, Alan Kay wrote: > >> Hi Loup >> >> >> > > >> However, Ted Nelson said a lot in each of the last

Re: [fonc] OT: Hypertext and the e-book

2012-03-07 Thread Max Orhai
Well, I for one dislike e-books (and honestly I don't care all that much for computers either!), so I could add a few things off the top of my head to this summing-up: - Real books don't need power, are readable outdoors without eyestrain (more than can be said for the iPad and its imitators), and

Re: [fonc] OT: Hypertext and the e-book

2012-03-08 Thread Max Orhai
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 7:07 AM, Martin Baldan wrote: > > > > - Print technology is orders of magnitude more environmentally benign > > and affordable. > > > > That seems a pretty strong claim. How do you back it up? Low cost and > environmental impact are supposed to be some of the strong points

Re: [fonc] OT: Hypertext and the e-book

2012-03-08 Thread Max Orhai
s.pdf -- Max On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Max Orhai wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 7:07 AM, Martin Baldan wrote: > >> > >> > - Print technology is orders of magnitude more environmentally benign >> > and affordable. >> > >> >>

Re: [fonc] OT: Hypertext and the e-book

2012-03-08 Thread Max Orhai
ndly, but the commercial process > to > > produce it is rife with chorine, dioxin, etc. not to mention heavy > thermal > > pollution of water sources. > > > > So there are definitely arguments on both sides of the ledger wrt eBooks. > > > > -- Mack > > > >

Re: [fonc] Error trying to compile COLA

2012-03-13 Thread Max Orhai
But, that's exactly the cause for concern! Aside from the fact of Smalltalk's obsolescence (which isn't really the point), the Squeak plugin could never be approved by a 'responsible' sysadmin, *because it can run arbitrary user code*! Squeak's not in the app store for exactly that reason. You'll n

Re: [fonc] Everything You Know (about Parallel Programming) Is Wrong!: A Wild Screed about the Future

2012-03-29 Thread Max Orhai
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 5:46 PM, David Barbour wrote: Where we do give up determinism, it should be explicit and carefully > considered, and we should have a lot of control over exactly where it leaks > into our programs. > Hear, hear! And another thing: the mathematics of probability is pretty

Re: [fonc] Halide: Decoupling algorithm from scheduling for image processing

2012-10-26 Thread Max Orhai
In another domain entirely, some more expressiveness gains: http://www.cs.stonybrook.edu/~liu/papers/DistPL-OOPSLA12.pdf Performance numbers not quite as awesome as Halide, but impressive nonetheless. -- Max On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 2:18 AM, Marcel Weiher wrote: > Looks like an intere

Re: [fonc] [info] [racket] OPERATING SYSTEM ON A FPGA (fwd)

2012-12-07 Thread Max Orhai
I don't know Hugh, but he appears to be a machinist who never outgrew his typically American blue-collar knee-jerk homophobia, which in turn alienated him further from the small handful of his Forth-using peers. His casually hateful comment on comp.lang.forth, to which Josh links, is much more poig

Re: [fonc] [info] [racket] OPERATING SYSTEM ON A FPGA (fwd)

2012-12-08 Thread Max Orhai
Josh, if you did take the time to put together a collection of links, it might be helpful to my imaginary historian. Hosting an independent archive to supplement the newsgroup backlog would be more helpful -- what will become of ultratechnology.com, for example, now that Jeff Fox is gone? Most help