Re: ANN: FOray

2004-05-18 Thread Chris Bowditch
Victor Mote wrote: Dear FOP Developers: Hi Victor - welcome back. I was saddened by your decision to leave FOP. After considering a return to FOP development, and briefly discussing the pros and cons with those whom I consider to be the FOP development leaders, I have decided to partially fork FOP

Re: Table processing question

2004-05-18 Thread Chris Bowditch
Andreas L. Delmelle wrote: Hmm.. Yes, but... these properties are not specifically meant for the rows themselves. They are meant to be propagated to/combined with those defined on the table-cells contained by it. Good point. ( IIC, resolving the possible conflicts WRT backgrounds/borders can be

Re: Table processing question - follow-up

2004-05-18 Thread Chris Bowditch
Andreas L. Delmelle wrote: comments below: Posting this as a follow-up to my earlier ponderings. If we don't get it implemented, or postpone this one indefinitely, at least we'll have it nicely summed up for possible future use... (Who knows, maybe parts of these remarks can be used to implement

Re: ANN: FOray

2004-05-18 Thread arnd . beissner
Peter B. West [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 18.05.2004 05:59:20: project. The situation with FOray is more complicated. I don't know whether it is Victor's intention to fork from HEAD and continue the development along the lines he has previously discussed, or to attempt to integrate HEAD

Re: ANN: FOray

2004-05-18 Thread Chris Bowditch
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some elaborations on this from my side. Please feel free to ignore it entirely. Thanks for speaking up. Just because you are not a committer, doesnt mean your opinion doesnt matter. This is open source way. The project is owned by everyone. snip/ 5. Time goes on, A' and

Borders on Blocks

2004-05-18 Thread Chris Bowditch
FOP Devs, I would appreciate some advice. I have noticed that top/bottom borders dont work on regular blocks. This is because the PDF Renderer uses block.getWidth() to determine the length of the border lines. Here is a sinnper of Area Tree output: block width=138897 ipd=0

Re: Borders on Blocks

2004-05-18 Thread Chris Bowditch
Chris Bowditch wrote: FOP Devs, I would appreciate some advice. I have noticed that top/bottom borders dont work on regular blocks. This is because the PDF Renderer uses block.getWidth() to determine the length of the border lines. Here is a sinnper of Area Tree output: block

Re: ANN: FOray

2004-05-18 Thread arnd . beissner
Chris Bowditch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 18.05.2004 12:03:33: This is very true, I also have the same concerns, which is why I have set out some simple objectives that must be met before the redesign is ready for an initial release. See here:

Re: [Bug 29025] New: - Document/LayoutStrategy consolidation

2004-05-18 Thread Glen Mazza
Simon Pepping wrote: Note in this respect the comment in LayoutStrategy.java: /** Useful only for allowing subclasses of AddLMVisitor to be set by those extending FOP **/ right above private AddLMVisitor addLMVisitor = null; I think you should copy that comment to Document.java as well.

Re: ANN: FOray

2004-05-18 Thread Chris Bowditch
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Bowditch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 18.05.2004 12:03:33: This is very true, I also have the same concerns, which is why I have set out some simple objectives that must be met before the redesign is ready for an initial release. See here:

cyrillic

2004-05-18 Thread Baron Moenghausen
Hello! What wrong with pdf made with cyrillic KOI8-r?

border-collapse WAS: Re: ANN: FOray

2004-05-18 Thread arnd . beissner
Chris Bowditch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on: 18.05.2004 14:31:39: What I forgot to say is that I think we should do an initial release of FOP after doing just High priority TODO items. Ok, that changes things, of course. Yes, ugly output can be caused without border collapse, but yet

Re: cyrillic

2004-05-18 Thread Chris Bowditch
Baron Moenghausen wrote: Hello! What wrong with pdf made with cyrillic KOI8-r? Hello, sorry but I dont understand your question. Could you rephrase it and maybe elaborate. Thanks, Chris

RE: Table processing question - follow-up

2004-05-18 Thread Andreas L. Delmelle
-Original Message- From: Chris Bowditch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Chris, snip / This makes sense - what effect would you expect width on table cell to have? I maybe missing something, but the width is derived from table column and cant be overridden for a single cell. Indeed,

RE: Table processing question - follow-up

2004-05-18 Thread arnd . beissner
Andreas L. Delmelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 18.05.2004 18:09:15: Indeed, but the columns can be absent in the source FO. In which case they're actually to be considered present, and their widths are determined by the cells in the first row (--or, but I didn't dare consider that

RE: Table processing question - follow-up

2004-05-18 Thread Andreas L. Delmelle
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Arnd, snip / As far as I understand the spec, table-column elements with a column-width property are mandatory for tables with fixed table layout. *Vry* good point! Yup, got me there... I was mixing the

Re: ANN: FOray

2004-05-18 Thread Simon Pepping
On Tue, May 18, 2004 at 09:16:23AM +0100, Chris Bowditch wrote: Victor Mote wrote: Dear FOP Developers: Hi Victor - welcome back. I was saddened by your decision to leave FOP. After considering a return to FOP development, and briefly discussing the pros and cons with those whom I

RE: ANN: FOray

2004-05-18 Thread Victor Mote
Simon Pepping wrote: 2. modularize FOP's design I do understand why you have decided to start FOray. Although modularisation is a nice feature, I dont see it as a key goal for FOP. FOP's primary objective is to achieve a working layout. The main things needed to achieve this are

RE: ANN: FOray

2004-05-18 Thread arnd . beissner
Victor Mote [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 18.05.2004 22:12:45: The real question on modularity was never whether it should be a priority, but whether it hurt the project. On open-source projects, priorities are really set by each individual. You fix the thing that hurts the most at the moment,

Re: ANN: FOray

2004-05-18 Thread Peter B. West
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my formatter, I have implemented modularized layout. From the start, I was sceptical, and I was indeed tempted several times to throw the concept out of the window because it got in the way, but in the end it was always possible to maintain the separation of concerns

Incremental vs rewrite

2004-05-18 Thread Peter B. West
The thing that immediately strikes me about Arnd's development is that it seems to blow away the theory that incremental modification of an existing code base is always the better way to go. IIUC, Arnd wrote a formatter from scratch (except for some fo the font handling) in two years. Peter

Re: Incremental vs rewrite

2004-05-18 Thread Clay Leeds
Peter B. West wrote: The thing that immediately strikes me about Arnd's development is that it seems to blow away the theory that incremental modification of an existing code base is always the better way to go. IIUC, Arnd wrote a formatter from scratch (except for some fo the font handling)