I’m a TCS user, currently running TCS 3.5. I didn’t do the TCS 4.0 upgrade. The
cost of upgrading from v3.5 to v5 is $1200! Count me out.
I recently switched from Captivate to Camtasia because Adobe would have charged
me full price to upgrade just that component of the Technical Communications
Around here, contract technical writers are making enough money per hour
that the upgrade cost from to TCS 5 from TCS 3 or FM 10 would be less than
25 billable hours of work. (And some of these contractors are pretty limited
in how much they know about the tools they are using or even how to be
-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 11:11 AM
To: Framers
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 12 released
If you buy a subscription and don't renew at the end of the year
I don't understand your reasoning. I don't need upgrades to use
FrameMaker. It has been going downhill from version 9 on.
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain
(syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote:
Yeah, I would love to continue to use FrameMaker, but $399 for
To: Robert Lauriston; Framers
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released
I don't plan to do the subscription model for FrameMaker 12 either. It does not
make sense for me - even if I were continuing with FrameMaker.
It only makes _some_ sense for new users of FrameMaker, or folks still on
versions _prior_
I don't understand why you would stop using it for new docs. Most of
the software I've bought I've never upgraded.
On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 6:05 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain
(syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote:
My comment was that at some time, I could simply stop upgrading and continue
(syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 4:22 PM
To: Robert Lauriston; Framers
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released
I don't plan to do the subscription model for FrameMaker 12 either. It does not
make sense for me - even if I were continuing with FrameMaker.
It only makes _some_ sense
Syed, I think your math is right on. I can't understand why anyone would
pay more for a subscription that will render their software useless the
moment they stop paying. If they fall on hard times, the perpetual
license lets them at least keep working with their software as long as
they can
After years with the same company, I'm just starting to re-invent myself
as a contractor. So far no one has asked for work in FrameMaker. If
they did, I'd have to consider my options. A thousand bucks is a big outlay.
On the other hand, I'd probably want it for no more than a month or two,
On 1/17/2014 1:31 PM, Mike Wickham wrote:
I've also bought every FM upgrade since version 6, except for v10,
which offered no features that I needed. I will be buying the FM 12
upgrade for sure.
Oops... there was a typo in there. I am using FM 10. It was FM 11 that
was the only version I
/ sites.
Z
*From:*Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2014 11:05 AM
*To:* 'Scott Prentice'; framers@lists.frameusers.com
*Subject:* RE: FrameMaker 12 released
Correct. The cost is charged monthly -- with an annual commitment.
After 30 days, if you cancel, you
16, 2014 10:12 AM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); Simon BUCH; 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released
I wanted to add some clarification to points raised in this discussion.
[1] Regarding how people behind firewalls can deal with monthly ping on
subscription, I got some
So one of the enhancements for TCS5 is that it's cheaper because it no
longer includes Illustrator. Genius! :-D
(Of course, if you still need Illustrator, you'll now have to buy it
separately, so it'll cost even more...) Ho hum
Message: 2
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 07:57:14 +
From: Reng, Dr.
If you buy a subscription and don't renew at the end of the year, the
license is invalid and FrameMaker stops working.
If you buy the $1000 full version or a $400 or $600 upgrade, the
license is perpetual. The only thing that expires is the support
agreement.
I don't see why anyone would abandon
: Matt Sullivan [mailto:sullivanma...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 1:54 PM
To: Keith Soltys
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 12 released
@Keith, I am not aware of additional Word import functionality, although in the
past, filters have been updated
Robert Lauriston said:
If you buy a subscription and don't renew at the end of the year, the license
is invalid and FrameMaker stops working.
If you buy the $1000 full version or a $400 or $600 upgrade, the license is
perpetual. The only thing that expires is the support agreement.
I
To: 'Robert Lauriston'; Framers
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released
Robert Lauriston said:
If you buy a subscription and don't renew at the end of the year, the license
is invalid and FrameMaker stops working.
If you buy the $1000 full version or a $400 or $600 upgrade, the license is
perpetual
My comment was that at some time, I could simply stop upgrading and continue to
use that last version (as you had mentioned in a post last year) rather than
change all the older documents to a new tool.
We simply chose to stop at different versions, I suppose ... for me, it is
version 11, for
I don't understand why you would stop using it for new docs. Most of the
software I've bought I've never upgraded.
I guess you and I have a different philosophy about these, I suppose. :) I
prefer to stay up on software upgrades when I am using something extensively.
The thinking is to get
I've taken a quick look at this new release.
a. There's still no right-to-left language support.
b. There's still the requirement for activation via internet, and the
help pages reference material on web pages.
This makes the product impractical for customers on military/corporate
grade
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Simon BUCH
Sent: January-15-14 5:39 AM
To: 'Framers'
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 12 released
I've taken a quick look at this new release.
a. There's still no right-to-left language support.
b. There's still the requirement for activation via
Thanks for the links, Winfried.
Does anyone know if FM12 (and also FM11) come in 32-bit AND 64-bit
versions, or are they both strictly 32 bits? I've only been able to find
that FM9 was 32-bit only.
Thanks,
Lin
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 2:57 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried wr...@tycoint.comwrote:
Hi,
Just 32-bit I believe. I haven't seen separate installer options and
when it installs it end up in the Program Files (x86) folder.
...scott
On 1/15/14 9:56 AM, Lin Sims wrote:
Thanks for the links, Winfried.
Does anyone know if FM12 (and also FM11) come in 32-bit AND 64-bit
versions, or
32-bit only.
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 12:56 PM
To: Reng, Dr. Winfried
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 12 released
Thanks for the links, Winfried
Thanks for the links. Some links on the FAQ page for FM 12 are broken ...
notably one that takes you to the subscription pricing (including a
promotional pricing discount).
Also, sorry to beat on this drum still, but the upgrade price of $399 from
FrameMaker 11 is still too high to be
: FrameMaker 12 released
Umm, activation via Internet can be circumvented by calling Adobe and getting
an activation from them. I'm pretty sure you can access the same help material
as PDF or AIRHelp on your local firewalled install (same as it's been for a
while now
days for the subscription model version would get old
pretty quick, though! J
Z
*From:*framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeff
Coatsworth
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2014 6:06 AM
*To:* 'Framers'
*Subject:* RE: FrameMaker 12
Pretty sure that the military-industrial complex doesn't deal with
month-by-month subscriptions ;)
From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) [mailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net]
Sent: January-15-14 1:34 PM
To: Jeff Coatsworth; 'Framers'
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released
Calling every 30 days
Simon Buch wrote:
? c. In Kapil VERMA's blog entry, there's a section about Licensing options:
'Furthermore, we are providing both perpetual and subscription licensing
options on all our products. We do realize that the licensing needs of our
customers vary and hence, we are offering both
month?
Z
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott Prentice
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 10:46 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FrameMaker 12 released
Although the subscription is labeled monthly, it's really
: FrameMaker 12 released
Pretty sure that the military-industrial complex doesn't deal with
month-by-month subscriptions ;)
From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.netmailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net)
[mailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net]
Sent: January-15-14 1:34 PM
To: Jeff Coatsworth; 'Framers'
Subject: RE
just calling to get activation done, I suspect it will not happen
at some sites.
Z
From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 11:05 AM
To: 'Scott Prentice'; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released
Correct. The cost is charged monthly
From a scan of their product pages and the few reviews out now, this looks like
a compelling upgrade. I passed on FM 11 because most of the new features seemed
oriented to structured authoring. This release has the number one item on my
list of requested feature enhancements - regular
@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FrameMaker 12 released
Thanks for the links. Some links on the FAQ page for FM 12 are broken ...
notably one that takes you to the subscription pricing (including a
promotional pricing discount).
Also, sorry to beat
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