Re: [framers] Conditional text

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Yves,

I don't have anything ready-made, but FrameScript could be used for this
type of condition tag management. FrameScript (for Windows) could read an
Excel spreadsheet directly to get the settings. If you give me more details
on what you want to do, I can provide you with a proposal for a FrameScript
solution. Thanks.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
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 Hello Framers and Framescripters,

 two questions about conditional text usage in Frame 7:

 1. What are the ways (plug-ins, framescripts) to automatically trace
 conditional text in a file (or book) which has not been applied? Also,
 can these condition tags be removed, if necessary?

 2. Suppose I've got a file (Excel sheet or a table) with an overview of
 which conditional text should used in which file (multiple languages).
 Is is possible to take this file and  automatically apply these settings
 to a book?

 --
 Yves Barbion
 Technical Writer
 Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor
 

 UI Learning NV (formerly ATEK NV)
 Molenaarsstraat 111
 B-9000 Gent
 Belgium
 Tel.: +32 9 265 74 72
 Fax: +32 9 265 74 84
 www.uni-learning.com
 

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Re: Extra colours introduced by PNGs

[John Pitt]

It would seem so -- can anybody else confirm this?

Caroline Tabach wrote:

I was aware that adding PNG, added many extra colors to the color lists,
Are you also saying that it can make the actual frame maker files very
big because of this?
I was not aware of this drawback.

Caroline Tabach
Technical/Marcom Writer



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RE: Opening an old .WDB file

[Mark Levitt]

Mary,

This is a Microsoft Works 4.0 database file. 

There are commercial tools that claim to be able to convert them to
Excel:
http://www.rl-software.com/converter/wks-wdb-to-excel.htm 
I have no experience with this tool or company.

If you just need the text and you don't want to spend any money, you
might try using a program called strings. There is a Windows version
here:
http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/Strings.html

Strings is a command-line utility that reads a binary file and displays
any embedded text contained in the file.
It's likely that the Works database has the actual data as simple text. 
Strings won't display the structure or headings, but it might show you
the text. 

Cheers,
Mark


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RE: [framers] Conditional text

[Ridder, Fred]

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by tracing conditional text.
But to answer the second part of the question, when you attempt
to delete a condition tag (highlight the tag in the Conditional Text
dialog, click Edit Condition Tag, click Delete) FrameMaker will
present a further dialog (asking whether you wish to delete the
tagged text or make it unconditional) if and only if the tag is 
applied to some text in the current file. If the tag is not applied 
to anything in the file, the tag is simply deleted.

For managing conditional tags, the best solution is to use a 
series of FrameMaker template files for each set of conditions 
rather than some external file type. The text of each file explains 
when the condition set should be used, what conditions will be 
set in particular ways, and even step-by-step instructions on how 
to do this. But the real value is that this file is set up with the
particular set of conditional text settings so that all you need
to do is use FileImportFormats to import them from the 
template into the file or book that you are working with.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
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Subject: [framers] Conditional text

Hello Framers and Framescripters,

two questions about conditional text usage in Frame 7:

1. What are the ways (plug-ins, framescripts) to automatically trace 
conditional text in a file (or book) which has not been applied? Also, 
can these condition tags be removed, if necessary?

2. Suppose I've got a file (Excel sheet or a table) with an overview of 
which conditional text should used in which file (multiple languages). 
Is is possible to take this file and  automatically apply these settings

to a book?

-- 
Yves Barbion 
Technical Writer
Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor


UI Learning NV (formerly ATEK NV)
Molenaarsstraat 111 
B-9000 Gent 
Belgium 
Tel.: +32 9 265 74 72 
Fax: +32 9 265 74 84 
www.uni-learning.com


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RE: Graphics question

[Grant Hogarth]

G Cute, Jefro.

What I wanted was 4 pix (T,B,L,R) that I could add to an anchored frame
as needed without having to tweak the underlying image file, as then I
could reuse the same underlying image in different places in the
document.

What I will have to do now is keep a separate version of each edited
image (plus the master) in my picture folder -- probably about a 30%
increase in the number of files (already over 700) that I have to
track/maintain.

This is true if I use Snagit, Photoshop, or any other editing app.
If I save the Master as a PSD, I can use layers, but I then have to
recreate the layers for each master.
(I know, create/save a blank image with the four fade-out layers, and
then add the screencap as a base layer.  That is yet another pair of
steps (the images are not all the same size/dimensions, so there is
creation, then resizing, then adjusting focus/visible layers.)

Sub-optimal, but that seems to be the way of the world.

Scripting only works if the hidden/revealed areas are the same in each
image -- which is not true.

Grant

==
Jefro:
 Doing it in Photoshop IS saving time  brain strain.  :)

Peter Gold:
 If you need to do the same operation to the same 
 degree on all the graphics, consider creating a 
 batch process in PhotoShop on a directory of 
 files. You could write the originals to a 
 safe-keeping subfolder, or rename them, while 
 keeping the processed copies in the original location.
 
 Perhaps SnagIt offers a batch operation, too?

Caroline Tabach
 Yes,
 Snagit offers excellent batch processes.
 (also a satisfied customer!)



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Grant Hogarth wrote:

Ah well... *sigh*
Yes, I can do it in Snagit.
I can also do it in Photoshop -- 
I was just trying to save some time/brain strain.
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Re: OT: question about commenting in Acrobat 7 Pro

[Bill Swallow]

 1) I assumed that for PDFs created with Acrobat 7 Pro,
 commenting is enabled for Adobe Reader by default. Is
 that true?

You have to enable it for the PDF you create, but that step is easy. :-)

 2) I am assuming Acrobat 7 Pro does something in the
 PostScript code that enables commenting. Am I close?
 I'd appreciate more technical info., if anyone knows.

I doon't know the tech info, but I believe it just passes a key
along that unlocks functionality in the Reader.

 3) When I open a PDF created by Acrobat 6 Pro, Adobe
 Reader won't add comments. But, I can open that same
 PDF in Acrobat 7 Pro and use Comments  Enable for
 Commenting in Adobe Reader  This seems to
 reprocess the PDF ... is it adding PostScript code or
 something? (I don't see it reprinting.)

Probably a key...

 4) But, when I open a PDF created by Acrobat 7 Pro, I
 can still use Comments  Enable for Commenting in
 Adobe Reader ... and that seems to reprocess the PDF.
 Why?

Dunno.

 5) If I create a PDF using Acrobat 7 Pro, can I turn
 off commenting in any way other than Saving as an
 earlier version of PDF or security?

Just don't enable it.

 6) Am using this with FM 7.1. I can't find a way to
 semi-automatically apply security through the FM
 interface, nor through Joboptions, only through
 printer preferences. Is that the only way?

PS text frames. ;-)


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RE: Table of Contents Question - 2

[Tweedy, Scott]

Thanks for the answers. I think my mind is becoming 
blurry that I can't see the easy answers and think they all have to be much more 
complex than they are.

I have a second issue.

the text I want in the table of contents is left justified 
and the page number is right justified. I use the Reference Page 
$elementonly(tab)$pagenum. When the text is just long 
enough that it "runs into" the page number the page number wraps to the next 
line instead of the text "breaking" and then wrapping. Here's an example 
of what I mean:

ILS or ILS/RADAR RWY 26L...177
SID(VECTOR) NON JET RICHMOND.
178
SID(VECTOR) VANCOUVER..179
NOISE ABATEMENT (pg 1)180

Is there a way to detect the conflict and "break" the text 
for page 178 so that it reads like this:


ILS or ILS/RADAR RWY 26L...177
SID(VECTOR) NON JET
 
RICHMOND178
SID(VECTOR) VANCOUVER..179
NOISE ABATEMENT (pg 1)180





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Of Tweedy, ScottSent: November 23, 2005 2:43 PMTo: 
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Question

I have a table of 
contents that is dynamically generated from the contents of a book (I do this 
for 12 different books). At times the length of the text in the element I 
have to use to create the entries in the table of contents is too long and it 
wraps to a second line.

Is there a way to 
elegantly handle this situation?

What I would like to 
be able to do is set up a tab so that when the text wraps there is a little bit 
of an indent to show that the new line is still part of the original 
element.

Thanks in 
advance,
st
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RE: Table of Contents Question

[Joe Malin]

Dear Scott - Mon cher Scott :)

I've run into this situation before, and I think there's no 
automatic workaround to it. You should be able to add a tab character to the 
second line so that the page number is aligned, but you'll have to do that by 
hand. I often had this situation when I wrote books for Oracle Corp., and that 
was their standard operating procedure.

I figure that ifOracle's entire cadre of 
FMdocumentation production specialists can't come up with a solution, 
there isn't one.

Joe

TuVox, 
Inc.
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Pruneridge Avenue Suite 150, Cupertino, CA 95014-0715

  
  
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The views expressed in this document are those of the sender, and 
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  From: 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  Tweedy, ScottSent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:43 
  AMTo: 'framers@FrameUsers.com'Subject: Table of Contents 
  Question
  
  I have a table of 
  contents that is dynamically generated from the contents of a book (I do this 
  for 12 different books). At times the length of the text in the element 
  I have to use to create the entries in the table of contents is too long and 
  it wraps to a second line.
  
  Is there a way to 
  elegantly handle this situation?
  
  What I would like 
  to be able to do is set up a tab so that when the text wraps there is a little 
  bit of an indent to show that the new line is still part of the original 
  element.
  
  Thanks in 
  advance,
  st
  
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Re: Merge lists?

[Dave Brown]

If? Check out some familiar faces at http://adobeforums.com/.

Regards,
Dave Brown d:¬)»

Rick Quatro (24 Nov 05 11:37 a.m.) wrote:


Speaking for myself, if there were a third list started,



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Chautauqua wrap-up?

[Bill Swallow]

Has anyone heard or received anything after attending the Chautauqua?
I was surprised that there were no session evaluations or the like...

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EDD to XSLT and XSL:FO

[Marcus Carr]

Wim Hooghwinkel wrote:

> I have been asked to develop some templates (stylesheets) for XSL:FO
> to be used with XML documents.
> 
> Is there a way or are there any tools avaialble that can convert
> FrameMaker EDD/Templates into XSLT stylesheets/templates?

Not that I'm aware of, but I can't say that I've really looked for them.

> Any recommendatoins for creating XSL:FO templates (tools, open source
> software, pitfalls)?
> 
> We need XSL:FO templates for both DocBook based and DITA based
> applications.

Writing a complete XSL:FO for DocBook is theoretically impossible, as 
the structure is endlessly recursive. In practical terms then, you need 
to look at your documents for guidance about which contexts to code for. 
If you have documents, you can use something like the 'Topologi 
Professional Edition*' (http://www.topologi.com) to generate a list of 
all of the existing XPaths, then only write rules for the contexts you 
need to support.

If you don't have documents, I suggest you prune the structure of 
DocBook ruthlessly, even to the point where you suspect that it will be 
deficient for your documentation needs, then reinstate elements when and 
where required based on request and justification. (Hopefully you've 
already done this for your FrameMaker application.) If you sign up for 
creating an XSL:FO stylesheet to comprehensively handle DocBook, you'll 
find yourself on a hiding to nowhere.

* Topologi is a commercial product, but does have a 30 day free 
download. My company does have an interest in it, so you should weigh my 
advice accordingly.


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Extra colours introduced by PNGs

[John Pitt]

This is on behalf of a fellow Oz framer who has been trying to post for the
last couple of days with no joy.

He switched to using PNGs for the many screenshots in his very large manuals
-- but the file sizes have blown out exponentially, presumably because of the
now millions of extra colours introduced to the Frame colour lists. (All
images are imported by ref, BTW.) He is using FM 7.1, having recently binned
5.5.6 (where the problem also existed).

I vaguely remember reading that this colour blow-out applies only when one
particular Windows Colour Quality setting is used. 

Can anyone please remind me which one?

He will also need some plugin (or a FrameScript) that he can wipe over >10,000
pages to rid them of the extra colours.

All contributions greatfully received.

jjj

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Numbered list item picks up from preceding nested list item

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Hi Stacie,

This can be done in a number of ways.

I find it best with nested lists to start by deciding how deep you
will go. Let's say for three levels, set in the first level:

If level is: 1
  If context is: {first}
Numbering properties
Autonumber format: 

Graphics question

[Caroline Tabach]

Yes,
Snagit offers excellent batch processes.

(also a satisfied customer!)

Caroline Tabach
Technical/Marcom Writer



Fax: +972 3 6474681
Email:   caroline at radcom.com
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From: framers-bounces+caroline=radcom.com at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-bounces+caroline=radcom@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of 
Peter Gold
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 2:18 AM
To: Grant Hogarth
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com; framers at omsys.com
Subject: RE: Graphics question

Grant:

If you need to do the same operation to the same 
degree on all the graphics, consider creating a 
batch process in PhotoShop on a directory of 
files. You could write the originals to a 
safe-keeping subfolder, or rename them, while 
keeping the processed copies in the original 
location.

Perhaps SnagIt offers a batch operation, too?

At 4:45 PM -0700 11/22/05, Grant Hogarth wrote:
>Ah well... *sigh*
>Yes, I can do it in Snagit.?
>I can also do it in Photoshop -- I was just trying to save some
>time/brain strain.
>
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KnowHow ProServices
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Extra colours introduced by PNGs

[Caroline Tabach]

I was aware that adding PNG, added many extra colors to the color lists,
Are you also saying that it can make the actual frame maker files very
big because of this?
I was not aware of this drawback.

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From: framers-bounces+caroline=radcom@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+caroline=radcom.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of John Pitt
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 4:50 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Extra colours introduced by PNGs

This is on behalf of a fellow Oz framer who has been trying to post for
the
last couple of days with no joy.

He switched to using PNGs for the many screenshots in his very large
manuals
-- but the file sizes have blown out exponentially, presumably because
of the
now millions of extra colours introduced to the Frame colour lists. (All
images are imported by ref, BTW.) He is using FM 7.1, having recently
binned
5.5.6 (where the problem also existed).

I vaguely remember reading that this colour blow-out applies only when
one
particular Windows Colour Quality setting is used. 

Can anyone please remind me which one?

He will also need some plugin (or a FrameScript) that he can wipe over
>10,000
pages to rid them of the extra colours.

All contributions greatfully received.

jjj

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47 Gottenham St
Glebe  NSW  2037
Ph: +612 9692 8096
Mob: +614 3892 8096
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[framers] Conditional text

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Yves,

I don't have anything ready-made, but FrameScript could be used for this
type of condition tag management. FrameScript (for Windows) could read an
Excel spreadsheet directly to get the settings. If you give me more details
on what you want to do, I can provide you with a proposal for a FrameScript
solution. Thanks.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
rick at frameexpert.com
http://www.frameexpert.com


> Hello Framers and Framescripters,
>
> two questions about conditional text usage in Frame 7:
>
> 1. What are the ways (plug-ins, framescripts) to automatically trace
> conditional text in a file (or book) which has not been applied? Also,
> can these condition tags be removed, if necessary?
>
> 2. Suppose I've got a file (Excel sheet or a table) with an overview of
> which conditional text should used in which file (multiple languages).
> Is is possible to take this file and  automatically apply these settings
> to a book?
>
> --
> Yves Barbion
> Technical Writer
> Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor
> 
>
> U Learning NV (formerly ATEK NV)
> Molenaarsstraat 111
> B-9000 Gent
> Belgium
> Tel.: +32 9 265 74 72
> Fax: +32 9 265 74 84
> www.uni-learning.com
> 

Extra colours introduced by PNGs

[John Pitt]

Thanks Shlomo -- you are right on the money (as usual).

The saving as MIF is something that would never have occurred to me, 
despite using that method for many other Frame ills over the last 14 
years with Frame.

Thx again

jjj

Shlomo Perets wrote:
> John,
> 
> You wrote:
> 
>> ... He switched to using PNGs for the many screenshots in his very 
>> large manuals
>> -- but the file sizes have blown out exponentially, presumably because 
>> of the
>> now millions of extra colours introduced to the Frame colour lists. (All
>> images are imported by ref, BTW.) He is using FM 7.1, having recently 
>> binned
>> 5.5.6 (where the problem also existed).
>>
>> I vaguely remember reading that this colour blow-out applies only when 
>> one
>> particular Windows Colour Quality setting is used.
>>
>> Can anyone please remind me which one?
> 
> 
> The PNGs have to be non-indexed (24-bit color instead of 8-bit color).
> 
>> He will also need some plugin (or a FrameScript) that he can wipe over 
>> >10,000
>> pages to rid them of the extra colours.
> 
> 
> Saving as MIF will clear all of  the "RGB nnn,nnn,nnn" colors.
> 
> If many FM files are involved, visit http://www.microtype.com/Links.html 
> for information on utilities which save all files in a book as MIF.
> 
> 
> Shlomo Perets


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Extra colours introduced by PNGs

[John Pitt]

It would seem so -- can anybody else confirm this?

Caroline Tabach wrote:
> I was aware that adding PNG, added many extra colors to the color lists,
> Are you also saying that it can make the actual frame maker files very
> big because of this?
> I was not aware of this drawback.
> 
> Caroline Tabach
> Technical/Marcom Writer


jjj
-- 
_
John Pitt, technical writer

Opening an old .WDB file

[Mark Levitt]

Mary,

This is a Microsoft Works 4.0 database file. 

There are commercial tools that claim to be able to convert them to
Excel:
http://www.rl-software.com/converter/wks-wdb-to-excel.htm 
I have no experience with this tool or company.

If you just need the text and you don't want to spend any money, you
might try using a program called "strings". There is a Windows version
here:
http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/Strings.html

Strings is a command-line utility that reads a binary file and displays
any embedded text contained in the file.
It's likely that the Works database has the actual data as simple text. 
Strings won't display the structure or headings, but it might show you
the text. 

Cheers,
Mark


> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:framers-bounces+mark.levitt=betfair.com at lists.frameuse
> rs.com] On Behalf Of Mary Sheahan
> Sent: 22 November 2005 17:56
> To: framers at frameusers.com; framers at omsys.com
> Subject: OT: Opening an old .WDB file
> 
> If you have software that can open an old Microsoft .WDB file 
> (circa 2000), would you please contact me off-list?  We no 
> longer have the software on any of our PCs, and there's some 
> document history information that we want to retain.  Even a 
> text-dump would suffice.
> 
> Thanks,
> Mary
> 
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Extra colours introduced by PNGs

[Shlomo Perets]

John,

You wrote:

>... He switched to using PNGs for the many screenshots in his very large 
>manuals
>-- but the file sizes have blown out exponentially, presumably because of the
>now millions of extra colours introduced to the Frame colour lists. (All
>images are imported by ref, BTW.) He is using FM 7.1, having recently binned
>5.5.6 (where the problem also existed).
>
>I vaguely remember reading that this colour blow-out applies only when one
>particular Windows Colour Quality setting is used.
>
>Can anyone please remind me which one?

The PNGs have to be non-indexed (24-bit color instead of 8-bit color).

>He will also need some plugin (or a FrameScript) that he can wipe over >10,000
>pages to rid them of the extra colours.

Saving as MIF will clear all of  the "RGB nnn,nnn,nnn" colors.

If many FM files are involved, visit http://www.microtype.com/Links.html 
for information on utilities which save all files in a book as MIF.


Shlomo Perets

MicroType, http://www.microtype.com * ToolbarPlus Express for FrameMaker
FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat 
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Template Design, Single Sourcing, FM-to-PDF & Technical Indexing seminars

[framers] Conditional text

[Yves Barbion]

Hello Framers and Framescripters,

two questions about conditional text usage in Frame 7:

1. What are the ways (plug-ins, framescripts) to automatically trace 
conditional text in a file (or book) which has not been applied? Also, 
can these condition tags be removed, if necessary?

2. Suppose I've got a file (Excel sheet or a table) with an overview of 
which conditional text should used in which file (multiple languages). 
Is is possible to take this file and  automatically apply these settings 
to a book?

-- 
Yves Barbion 
Technical Writer
Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor


U Learning NV (formerly ATEK NV)
Molenaarsstraat 111 
B-9000 Gent 
Belgium 
Tel.: +32 9 265 74 72 
Fax: +32 9 265 74 84 
www.uni-learning.com

Bleed tabs - automation?

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

There is also a white paper called Atomatic Bleeding Thumb Tabs by
Bradley W. Anderson, Falcon Interactive. It comes with instructions on
how to make the template and it also has the FrameScript script for
automation. I have only used it to set up the template without the
automation (works like semiautomatic for me), as I don't have
FrameScript.

I think it is the same as was on www.FrameUsers.com > Downloads >
White Papers, but the link seems broken now. Does anyone know where to
find it?

Best regards,

Bodvar

On 11/22/05, Steve Rickaby  wrote:
> Sarah O'Keefe and Sheila Loring's excellent FrameMaker 7 'complete reference' 
> book gives a method for setting up bleed tabs (thumbtabs) that requires 
> manual deletion of unnecessary tabs (i.e. all but the current chapter) in 
> production edit. Within structured FrameMaker, is there a way of automating 
> this?
>
> What is needed is a means of rendering objects visible/invisible depending on 
> their chapter number. Perhaps some way of making conditional tags sensitive 
> to their context in the book...?
>
> Another approach I've tried is to include a rotated B flow flush to the page 
> edge and insert the bleed tabs as conditionalised anchored frames. This 
> allows tabs to be turned on and off with conditions,  but I don't like these 
> objects being on body pages, and it doesn't get round the issue of making 
> them sensitive to chapter number.
>
> Failing that, I guess it could be done using the feature for mapping master 
> pages to paragraphs, but I cannot see it working out very elegantly, as one 
> would have to hack some sort of 'hidden' mapping between chapter number and 
> paragraph tags.
>
> Any ideas, anyone?
> --

[framers] Conditional text

[Ridder, Fred]

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "tracing" conditional text.
But to answer the second part of the question, when you attempt
to delete a condition tag (highlight the tag in the Conditional Text
dialog, click Edit Condition Tag, click Delete) FrameMaker will
present a further dialog (asking whether you wish to delete the
tagged text or make it unconditional) if and only if the tag is 
applied to some text in the current file. If the tag is not applied 
to anything in the file, the tag is simply deleted.

For managing conditional tags, the best solution is to use a 
series of FrameMaker template files for each set of conditions 
rather than some external file type. The text of each file explains 
when the condition set should be used, what conditions will be 
set in particular ways, and even step-by-step instructions on how 
to do this. But the real value is that this file is set up with the
particular set of conditional text settings so that all you need
to do is use File>Import>Formats to import them from the 
template into the file or book that you are working with.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
Parsippany, NJ



-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Yves Barbion
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 7:45 AM
To: Framers List
Subject: [framers] Conditional text

Hello Framers and Framescripters,

two questions about conditional text usage in Frame 7:

1. What are the ways (plug-ins, framescripts) to automatically trace 
conditional text in a file (or book) which has not been applied? Also, 
can these condition tags be removed, if necessary?

2. Suppose I've got a file (Excel sheet or a table) with an overview of 
which conditional text should used in which file (multiple languages). 
Is is possible to take this file and  automatically apply these settings

to a book?

-- 
Yves Barbion 
Technical Writer
Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor


U Learning NV (formerly ATEK NV)
Molenaarsstraat 111 
B-9000 Gent 
Belgium 
Tel.: +32 9 265 74 72 
Fax: +32 9 265 74 84 
www.uni-learning.com

[ANN] DITA, XMetaL and FrameMaker -- Webinar December 1, 2005

[Scott Abel]

Blast Radius XMetaL? and InTech (Integrated Technologies) will present 
an interactive webinar, Frame and XMetaL: Combining the best of both 
worlds. The free, one-hour web event will take place December 1, 2005 
at 1:00pm Eastern (10:00am Pacific) and is designed to illustrate how 
simple it is to combine Adobe FrameMaker? for page layout and print 
publishing and XMetaL for native XML authoring.

Attendees will learn how to:
=
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and into structured DITA XML
~ Enhance existing content and prepare new deliverables with XMetaL 
Author DITA Edition

Register today!

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Happy Thanksgiving!!!

==
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3421 Crystal Lakes Ct., Sarasota FL 34235
abelsp at netdirect.net  941-359-3416
www.thecontentwrangler.com


Events of Interest

CM Pros Summit: Enabling Content Personalization through Content 
Management, November 28 - Boston, MA
http://www.cmprofessionals.org/events/summit/

DITA 2006, March 23-25, 2006 - Raleigh, NC
http://www.travelthepath.com/dita2006.html

Extra colours introduced by PNGs

[Doug]

PNG files add colors to the FM file only if they use less than 16
million colors.  You won't see this problem if you make sure your PNGs
use a 16 million color depth.

You can fix any FM document that suffers from this by either of the
following methods:

1) Save the FM as MIF, then open the MIF and save it as FM.
or
2) Use the Replace Colors script with FrameScript.

--Doug

Bleed tabs - automation?

[Lisa M. Bronson]

Please try the link again. It is fixed, now.

Warm regards,
Lisa B.



On 11/23/05, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson  wrote:
> There is also a white paper called Atomatic Bleeding Thumb Tabs by
> Bradley W. Anderson, Falcon Interactive. It comes with instructions on
> how to make the template and it also has the FrameScript script for
> automation. I have only used it to set up the template without the
> automation (works like semiautomatic for me), as I don't have
> FrameScript.
>
> I think it is the same as was on www.FrameUsers.com > Downloads >
> White Papers, but the link seems broken now. Does anyone know where to
> find it?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Bodvar
>
> On 11/22/05, Steve Rickaby  wrote:
> > Sarah O'Keefe and Sheila Loring's excellent FrameMaker 7 'complete 
> > reference' book gives a method for setting up bleed tabs (thumbtabs) that 
> > requires manual deletion of unnecessary tabs (i.e. all but the current 
> > chapter) in production edit. Within structured FrameMaker, is there a way 
> > of automating this?
> >
> > What is needed is a means of rendering objects visible/invisible depending 
> > on their chapter number. Perhaps some way of making conditional tags 
> > sensitive to their context in the book...?
> >
> > Another approach I've tried is to include a rotated B flow flush to the 
> > page edge and insert the bleed tabs as conditionalised anchored frames. 
> > This allows tabs to be turned on and off with conditions,  but I don't like 
> > these objects being on body pages, and it doesn't get round the issue of 
> > making them sensitive to chapter number.
> >
> > Failing that, I guess it could be done using the feature for mapping master 
> > pages to paragraphs, but I cannot see it working out very elegantly, as one 
> > would have to hack some sort of 'hidden' mapping between chapter number and 
> > paragraph tags.
> >
> > Any ideas, anyone?
> > --
> ___
>
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Bleed tabs - automation?

[Steve Rickaby]

>There is also a white paper called Atomatic Bleeding Thumb Tabs by
>Bradley W. Anderson, Falcon Interactive. It comes with instructions on
>how to make the template and it also has the FrameScript script for
>automation. I have only used it to set up the template without the
>automation (works like semiautomatic for me), as I don't have
>FrameScript.
>
>I think it is the same as was on www.FrameUsers.com > Downloads >
>White Papers, but the link seems broken now. Does anyone know where to
>find it?

Thanks, Bodvar - Rick Quattro sent me a copy of the relevant parts of it.
-- 
Steve

Graphics question

[Grant Hogarth]

 Cute, Jefro.

What I wanted was 4 pix (T,B,L,R) that I could add to an anchored frame
as needed without having to tweak the underlying image file, as then I
could reuse the same underlying image in different places in the
document.

What I will have to do now is keep a separate version of each edited
image (plus the master) in my picture folder -- probably about a 30%
increase in the number of files (already over 700) that I have to
track/maintain.

This is true if I use Snagit, Photoshop, or any other editing app.
If I save the Master as a PSD, I can use layers, but I then have to
recreate the layers for each master.
(I know, create/save a "blank" image with the four fade-out layers, and
then add the screencap as a base layer.  That is yet another pair of
steps (the images are not all the same size/dimensions, so there is
creation, then resizing, then adjusting focus/visible layers.)

Sub-optimal, but that seems to be the way of the world.

Scripting only works if the hidden/revealed areas are the same in each
image -- which is not true.

Grant

==
Jefro:
> Doing it in Photoshop IS saving time & brain strain.  :)

Peter Gold:
> If you need to do the same operation to the same 
> degree on all the graphics, consider creating a 
> batch process in PhotoShop on a directory of 
> files. You could write the originals to a 
> safe-keeping subfolder, or rename them, while 
> keeping the processed copies in the original location.
> 
> Perhaps SnagIt offers a batch operation, too?

Caroline Tabach
> Yes,
> Snagit offers excellent batch processes.
> (also a satisfied customer!)



-Original Message-
Grant Hogarth wrote:

>Ah well... *sigh*
>Yes, I can do it in Snagit.
>I can also do it in Photoshop -- 
>I was just trying to save some time/brain strain.

Graphics question

[Grant Hogarth]

Irfanview is my viewer of choice, and pretty much the first app I
install on any computer I use.  
5-stars plus in my book.
Grant

-Original Message-
From: jenelle.anderson at comcast.net
[mailto:jenelle.anderson at comcast.net] 


Irvanview does it for you through its user interface.

www.irfanview.de

the guy (irfan) is a saint, your shareware donation is dirt
cheap. Recommended by tucows, ZDnet, and the Acadamy search committee.


-- Original message -- 

> Grant: 
> 
> If you need to do the same operation to the same 
> degree on all the graphics, consider creating a 
> batch process in PhotoShop on a directory of 
> files. You could write the originals to a 
> safe-keeping subfolder, or rename them, while 
> keeping the processed copies in the original location.

> 
> Perhaps SnagIt offers a batch operation, too? 
> 
> At 4:45 PM -0700 11/22/05, Grant Hogarth wrote: 
> >Ah well... *sigh* 
> >Yes, I can do it in Snagit. 
> >I can also do it in Photoshop -- 
> >I was just trying to save some time/brain strain. 


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OT: question about commenting in Acrobat 7 Pro

[Sean]

Hi,

Sorry for the OT question, but I thought some of you
might have some excellent answers for me on these
Acrobat-related questions. 

My boss raised a good question. I have a question
about how commenting works.

1) I assumed that for PDFs created with Acrobat 7 Pro,
commenting is enabled for Adobe Reader by default. Is
that true?

2) I am assuming Acrobat 7 Pro does something in the
PostScript code that enables commenting. Am I close?
I'd appreciate more technical info., if anyone knows.

3) When I open a PDF created by Acrobat 6 Pro, Adobe
Reader won't add comments. But, I can open that same
PDF in Acrobat 7 Pro and use Comments > Enable for
Commenting in Adobe Reader  This seems to
reprocess the PDF ... is it adding PostScript code or
something? (I don't see it reprinting.)

4) But, when I open a PDF created by Acrobat 7 Pro, I
can still use Comments > Enable for Commenting in
Adobe Reader ... and that seems to reprocess the PDF.
Why?

5) If I create a PDF using Acrobat 7 Pro, can I turn
off commenting in any way other than Saving as an
earlier version of PDF or security?

6) Am using this with FM 7.1. I can't find a way to
semi-automatically apply security through the FM
interface, nor through Joboptions, only through
printer preferences. Is that the only way?

Thanks and cheers,

Sean

question about commenting in Acrobat 7 Pro

[Ridder, Fred]

1) Incorrect. Commenting is not enabled by default.

2) I don't think it has anything to do with PostScript code, 
per se, because I don't think there is anything in PostScript
that supports the commenting functionality. I would guess
that it embeds some chunk of Acrobat code that Adobe
Reader 7 knows how to use to provide commenting.

3) It adds whatever chunk of magic is required by Adobe 
Reader 7 to support commenting.

4) Same as #3. Commenting is not enabled by default so
it has to be added by the command you mention.

5) See #1. It's not turned on in the first place so there's no
need for a mechanism to turn it off. But if you have a PDF 
that has commenting enabled, a simple Save As removes 
the commenting magic--or at least that's what I assume 
happens because of the warning I see whenever I try to
save a commenting-enabled PDF that someone sends me.

6) If you use a watched folder, you can set both the 
joboptions and the security for that folder. Setting up 
several watched folders supports different combinations
of joboptions and security settings for different purposes.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
Parsippany, NJ



-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Sean
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 12:20 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; framers at omsys.com
Subject: OT: question about commenting in Acrobat 7 Pro

Hi,

Sorry for the OT question, but I thought some of you
might have some excellent answers for me on these
Acrobat-related questions. 

My boss raised a good question. I have a question
about how commenting works.

1) I assumed that for PDFs created with Acrobat 7 Pro,
commenting is enabled for Adobe Reader by default. Is
that true?

2) I am assuming Acrobat 7 Pro does something in the
PostScript code that enables commenting. Am I close?
I'd appreciate more technical info., if anyone knows.

3) When I open a PDF created by Acrobat 6 Pro, Adobe
Reader won't add comments. But, I can open that same
PDF in Acrobat 7 Pro and use Comments > Enable for
Commenting in Adobe Reader  This seems to
reprocess the PDF ... is it adding PostScript code or
something? (I don't see it reprinting.)

4) But, when I open a PDF created by Acrobat 7 Pro, I
can still use Comments > Enable for Commenting in
Adobe Reader ... and that seems to reprocess the PDF.
Why?

5) If I create a PDF using Acrobat 7 Pro, can I turn
off commenting in any way other than Saving as an
earlier version of PDF or security?

6) Am using this with FM 7.1. I can't find a way to
semi-automatically apply security through the FM
interface, nor through Joboptions, only through
printer preferences. Is that the only way?

Thanks and cheers,

Sean
___

OT: question about commenting in Acrobat 7 Pro

[Wade Courtney]

See comments inline


> 1) I assumed that for PDFs created with Acrobat 7 Pro,
> commenting is enabled for Adobe Reader by default. Is
> that true?

No you have to enable it.  there are two ways, one in the commenting
menu, and the other is during in the "send for review" wizard.

> 5) If I create a PDF using Acrobat 7 Pro, can I turn
> off commenting in any way other than Saving as an
> earlier version of PDF or security?
>
no, this is a security setting.

> 6) Am using this with FM 7.1. I can't find a way to
> semi-automatically apply security through the FM
> interface, nor through Joboptions, only through
> printer preferences. Is that the only way?
>

I don't think so.  I have never been able to apply security settings
through frame.

--

Wade Courtney
San Francisco Bay Area
Yahoo: wcourtne
www.sabioinc.com

FrameMaker on Win XP Pro 64-bit?

[Dov Isaacs]

FWIW, Adobe does not officially support any applications on the 64-bit
editions of Windows. I have heard no reports, good or bad, so far of any

use of FrameMaker in such an environment.

On the other hand, I do know that the automatic mechanisms for creation
of PDF -- use of AdobePDF PostScript printer driver instance or built-in
FrameMaker "save as PDF" facility -- do not work under Windows XP
64-bit.

Our advice is to consider Windows XP 64-bit edition as more of an
experiment than a stable application environement except for situations
in
which you have both application programs and drivers specifically
written
for and tested in this environment. Also, unless one has an application
program that specifically can make use of the large address spaces
and special machine instructions of this environment, one should not
expect any significant performance improvements with existing software
in Windows XP 64-bit.






Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 7:26 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FrameMaker on Win XP Pro 64-bit?



Does anyone know how well FrameMaker runs on Windows XP Pro x64
edition (the
Operating System)? Your feedback would be much appreciated.

A a r o n



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OT: question about commenting in Acrobat 7 Pro

[Bill Swallow]

> 1) I assumed that for PDFs created with Acrobat 7 Pro,
> commenting is enabled for Adobe Reader by default. Is
> that true?

You have to enable it for the PDF you create, but that step is easy. :-)

> 2) I am assuming Acrobat 7 Pro does something in the
> PostScript code that enables commenting. Am I close?
> I'd appreciate more technical info., if anyone knows.

I doon't know the tech info, but I believe it just passes a "key"
along that unlocks functionality in the Reader.

> 3) When I open a PDF created by Acrobat 6 Pro, Adobe
> Reader won't add comments. But, I can open that same
> PDF in Acrobat 7 Pro and use Comments > Enable for
> Commenting in Adobe Reader  This seems to
> reprocess the PDF ... is it adding PostScript code or
> something? (I don't see it reprinting.)

Probably a key...

> 4) But, when I open a PDF created by Acrobat 7 Pro, I
> can still use Comments > Enable for Commenting in
> Adobe Reader ... and that seems to reprocess the PDF.
> Why?

Dunno.

> 5) If I create a PDF using Acrobat 7 Pro, can I turn
> off commenting in any way other than Saving as an
> earlier version of PDF or security?

Just don't enable it.

> 6) Am using this with FM 7.1. I can't find a way to
> semi-automatically apply security through the FM
> interface, nor through Joboptions, only through
> printer preferences. Is that the only way?

PS text frames. ;-)


--
Bill Swallow
HATT List Owner
WWP-Users List Owner
42.8162,-73.7736
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I support Char James-Tanny for STC Secretary.

Merge lists?

[Scott Prentice]

Hi...

I'm just going to throw this out and see what comes of it .. being 
relatively new to both of these lists, I don't have the history to know 
any better.

In a perfect world, is there really a need for both of these lists 
(FrameUsers and Framers)? Are most people actually on both lists (except 
for those who have a grudge against one or the other moderator)? If we 
all set aside any personal differences and pride, would there be any 
problem with just having one list?

It seems like most questions about FrameMaker are sent to both lists, 
which is a needless waste of bandwidth, disk space, and personal time to 
delete the duplicates. Sure, I can just subscribe to one of the lists 
and pretend that the issue doesn't exist, but then .. "what if" I miss 
something *important* on the other list?

I don't know about the logistics of merging the two lists .. obviously, 
it would have to be some sort of opt-in thing .. don't want to force 
anyone to do anything they don't want to do. Perhaps, it would just be a 
matter of setting up a new list, telling people about it so they can 
sign up or not, then close down the other two lists (we don't want to 
end up with three lists). It would be great if the moderators of the 
current lists could be co-moderators (remember, this is the "perfect 
world").

I know of all sorts of reasons that this is a *good* idea .. I'd like to 
hear reasons why it's not. Perhaps there really is a good reason to have 
two lists that provide the same service to the same people.

Or .. we can just leave things as they are .. perhaps I'm just nuts.  :)

Cheers!

...scott

Merge lists?

[Robert Kern]

Scott,

I moderate several  lists. If you use Mailman, its quite straightforward 
to merge lists. I'd suggest keeping one list and merging the 2nd list 
into it on as "invite" instead of "subscribe" so that people wouldn't 
need to do anything to opt out.  In mailman at the command level you can 
export the 2nd list's membership and then use Mass Subscription to merge 
the file into the 1st list. Mailman is programmed to automatically cull 
out duplicate names.

-bob

Robert Kern
President, TIPS Technical Publishing, Inc.
108 E. Main Street, Suite 4
Carrboro, NC  27510
www.technicalpublishing.com
bob at technicalpublishing.com
919-933-2629 phone and fax

Scott Prentice wrote:

> Hi...
>
> I'm just going to throw this out and see what comes of it .. being 
> relatively new to both of these lists, I don't have the history to 
> know any better.
>
> In a perfect world, is there really a need for both of these lists 
> (FrameUsers and Framers)? Are most people actually on both lists 
> (except for those who have a grudge against one or the other 
> moderator)? If we all set aside any personal differences and pride, 
> would there be any problem with just having one list?
>
> It seems like most questions about FrameMaker are sent to both lists, 
> which is a needless waste of bandwidth, disk space, and personal time 
> to delete the duplicates. Sure, I can just subscribe to one of the 
> lists and pretend that the issue doesn't exist, but then .. "what if" 
> I miss something *important* on the other list?
>
> I don't know about the logistics of merging the two lists .. 
> obviously, it would have to be some sort of opt-in thing .. don't want 
> to force anyone to do anything they don't want to do. Perhaps, it 
> would just be a matter of setting up a new list, telling people about 
> it so they can sign up or not, then close down the other two lists (we 
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> I know of all sorts of reasons that this is a *good* idea .. I'd like 
> to hear reasons why it's not. Perhaps there really is a good reason to 
> have two lists that provide the same service to the same people.
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> Or .. we can just leave things as they are .. perhaps I'm just nuts.  :)
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Table of Contents Question

[Tweedy, Scott]

I have a table of contents that is dynamically generated from the contents
of a book (I do this for 12 different books).  At times the length of the
text in the element I have to use to create the entries in the table of
contents is too long and it wraps to a second line.

Is there a way to elegantly handle this situation?

What I would like to be able to do is set up a tab so that when the text
wraps there is a little bit of an indent to show that the new line is still
part of the original element.

Thanks in advance,
st

Scott Tweedy 
Project Leader - Chef de projet 
Aeronautical and Technical Services - Services A?ronautiques et Techniques 
Earth Sciences Sector - Secteur des sciences de la terre 
Natural Resources Canada - Ressources naturelles Canada 
174-615 Booth Street - 174-615 rue Booth 
Ottawa, ON  Canada  K1A 0E9 
tel. (613) 992-4459 - t?l. (613) 992-4459 
fax (613) 943-8959 - t?lc. (613) 943-8959 
Email sctweedy at nrcan.gc.ca - Courriel sctweedy at nrcan.gc.ca



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Table of Contents Question

[Art Campbell]

If I'm understanding the question & problem correctly, I think modifing the
TOC paragraph tags to have a 0 first line indent and, say, a .125 inch
left indent
(essentially setting up an (outdent) would do this. It should only be
applied to TOC lines that wrap to a second line and should only affect
the second line.

But I don't think you could get a tab setting to do this.

Art

On 11/23/05, Tweedy, Scott  wrote:
> What I would like to be able to do is set up a tab so that when the text
> wraps there is a little bit of an indent to show that the new line is still
> part of the original element.


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   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

OT: question about commenting in Acrobat 7 Pro

[Art Campbell]

On 11/23/05, Sean  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Sorry for the OT question, but I thought some of you
> might have some excellent answers for me on these
> Acrobat-related questions.
>
> My boss raised a good question. I have a question
> about how commenting works.
>
> 1) I assumed that for PDFs created with Acrobat 7 Pro,
> commenting is enabled for Adobe Reader by default. Is
> that true?
No, you need to turn it on for each file. I believe it's off because
it adds some bulk.

>
> 2) I am assuming Acrobat 7 Pro does something in the
> PostScript code that enables commenting. Am I close?
> I'd appreciate more technical info., if anyone knows.

I think comments are implemented using a layer, and more over it's a layer that
can be saved out independently. I don't think it has a lot to do with
PS, other than
work with it in a compatible way.

>
> 3) When I open a PDF created by Acrobat 6 Pro, Adobe
> Reader won't add comments. But, I can open that same
> PDF in Acrobat 7 Pro and use Comments > Enable for
> Commenting in Adobe Reader  This seems to
> reprocess the PDF ... is it adding PostScript code or
> something? (I don't see it reprinting.)

Yes, something. The layer that carries the comments, as well as an internal code
that is required to support them.

>
> 4) But, when I open a PDF created by Acrobat 7 Pro, I
> can still use Comments > Enable for Commenting in
> Adobe Reader ... and that seems to reprocess the PDF.
> Why?

The comments have to be linked to locations and both the
core file and the additions saved in a binary format.

 > 5) If I create a PDF using Acrobat 7 Pro, can I turn
> off commenting in any way other than Saving as an
> earlier version of PDF or security?

You're assuming it's on by default. It isn't.

>
> 6) Am using this with FM 7.1. I can't find a way to
> semi-automatically apply security through the FM
> interface, nor through Joboptions, only through
> printer preferences. Is that the only way?

FM

>
> Thanks and cheers,
>
> Sean
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 DoD 358

Table of Contents Question

[Ridder, Fred]

Easy.  In the TOC file, use the Basic tab of the Paragraph Designer to set the 
Left indent to be greater than the First indent.  And if your page numbers are 
right-aligned with a tab stop, you'll want to go to the TOC reference page and 
insert two tabs between the <$paratext> and <$pagenum> in each of the prototype 
paragraphs.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. 
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) 
Intel 
Parsippany, NJ 




From: framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Tweedy, Scott
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 2:43 PM
To: 'framers at FrameUsers.com'
Subject: Table of Contents Question


I have a table of contents that is dynamically generated from the 
contents of a book (I do this for 12 different books).  At times the length of 
the text in the element I have to use to create the entries in the table of 
contents is too long and it wraps to a second line.

Is there a way to elegantly handle this situation?

What I would like to be able to do is set up a tab so that when the 
text wraps there is a little bit of an indent to show that the new line is 
still part of the original element.

Thanks in advance,
st

Scott Tweedy 
Project Leader - Chef de projet 
Aeronautical and Technical Services - Services A?ronautiques et 
Techniques 
Earth Sciences Sector - Secteur des sciences de la terre 
Natural Resources Canada - Ressources naturelles Canada 
174-615 Booth Street - 174-615 rue Booth 
Ottawa, ON  Canada  K1A 0E9 
tel. (613) 992-4459 - t?l. (613) 992-4459 
fax (613) 943-8959 - t?lc. (613) 943-8959 
Email sctweedy at nrcan.gc.ca - Courriel sctweedy at nrcan.gc.ca
   



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Table of Contents Question - 2

[Tweedy, Scott]

Thanks for the answers.  I think my mind is becoming blurry that I can't see
the easy answers and think they all have to be much more complex than they
are.

I have a second issue.

the text I want in the table of contents is left justified and the page
number is right justified.  I use the Reference Page
<$elementonly>(tab)<$pagenum>.  When the text is just long enough that
it "runs into" the page number the page number wraps to the next line
instead of the text "breaking" and then wrapping.  Here's an example of what
I mean:

ILS or ILS/RADAR RWY 26L...177
SID(VECTOR) NON JET RICHMOND.
178
SID(VECTOR) VANCOUVER..179
NOISE ABATEMENT (pg 1)180

Is there a way to detect the conflict and "break" the text for page 178 so
that it reads like this:

ILS or ILS/RADAR RWY 26L...177
SID(VECTOR) NON JET
   RICHMOND178
SID(VECTOR) VANCOUVER..179
NOISE ABATEMENT (pg 1)180


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[mailto:framers-bounces+sctweedy=nrcan.gc.ca at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of Tweedy, Scott
Sent: November 23, 2005 2:43 PM
To: 'framers at FrameUsers.com'
Subject: Table of Contents Question


I have a table of contents that is dynamically generated from the contents
of a book (I do this for 12 different books).  At times the length of the
text in the element I have to use to create the entries in the table of
contents is too long and it wraps to a second line.

Is there a way to elegantly handle this situation?

What I would like to be able to do is set up a tab so that when the text
wraps there is a little bit of an indent to show that the new line is still
part of the original element.

Thanks in advance,
st

Scott Tweedy 
Project Leader - Chef de projet 
Aeronautical and Technical Services - Services A?ronautiques et Techniques 
Earth Sciences Sector - Secteur des sciences de la terre 
Natural Resources Canada - Ressources naturelles Canada 
174-615 Booth Street - 174-615 rue Booth 
Ottawa, ON  Canada  K1A 0E9 
tel. (613) 992-4459 - t?l. (613) 992-4459 
fax (613) 943-8959 - t?lc. (613) 943-8959 
Email sctweedy at nrcan.gc.ca - Courriel sctweedy at nrcan.gc.ca



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Table of Contents Question - 2

[Art Campbell]

I believe you could do that with a FrameScript script that would count
in X number of characters from the start of the line, test to make
sure the cursor was between a space and an alpha, and then insert a
soft return to force the second line. If you don't do FrameScript
yourself, I'd talk to Rick Quatro at frameexpert.com.

Art

On 11/23/05, Tweedy, Scott  wrote:
>
> Thanks for the answers.  I think my mind is becoming blurry that I can't see
> the easy answers and think they all have to be much more complex than they
> are.
>
> I have a second issue.
>
> the text I want in the table of contents is left justified and the page
> number is right justified.  I use the Reference Page
> <$elementonly>(tab)<$pagenum>.  When the text is just
> long enough that it "runs into" the page number the page number wraps to the
> next line instead of the text "breaking" and then wrapping.  Here's an
> example of what I mean:
>
> ILS or ILS/RADAR RWY 26L...177
> SID(VECTOR) NON JET RICHMOND.
> 178
> SID(VECTOR) VANCOUVER..179
> NOISE ABATEMENT (pg 1)180
>
> Is there a way to detect the conflict and "break" the text for page 178 so
> that it reads like this:
>
>
> ILS or ILS/RADAR RWY 26L...177
> SID(VECTOR) NON JET
>RICHMOND178
> SID(VECTOR) VANCOUVER..179
> NOISE ABATEMENT (pg 1)180

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  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

Table of Contents Question - 2

[Lester C. Smalley]

Chris Despopoulos has a great utility "TOCbreaker" that helps solve this 
problem if you're running under Windows.  See 
http://www.telecable.es/personales/cud/cssIndex.htm where you can get more info 
about this (and other tools).

You'll have to make the manual breaks once, but thereafter can easily restore 
those same line breaks after generating a new table of contents..

- Lester
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  Lester C. Smalley  Email:  lsmalley AT infocon DOT com
  Information Consultants, Inc.  Phone:  302-239-2942   FAX: 
302-239-1712   
  Yorklyn, DE  19736 Web:www.infocon.com <http://www.infocon.com/>  
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From: Tweedy, Scott
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 04:01 PM
To: 'framers at FrameUsers.com'
Subject: RE: Table of Contents Question - 2


Thanks for the answers.  I think my mind is becoming blurry that I 
can't see the easy answers and think they all have to be much more complex than 
they are.

I have a second issue.

the text I want in the table of contents is left justified and the page 
number is right justified.  I use the Reference Page 
<$elementonly>(tab)<$pagenum>.  When the text is just long enough that it 
"runs into" the page number the page number wraps to the next line instead of 
the text "breaking" and then wrapping.  Here's an example of what I mean:

ILS or ILS/RADAR RWY 26L...177
SID(VECTOR) NON JET RICHMOND.
178
SID(VECTOR) VANCOUVER..179
NOISE ABATEMENT (pg 1)180

Is there a way to detect the conflict and "break" the text for page 178 
so that it reads like this:


ILS or ILS/RADAR RWY 26L...177
SID(VECTOR) NON JET
   RICHMOND178
SID(VECTOR) VANCOUVER..179
NOISE ABATEMENT (pg 1)180

  _  

From: Tweedy, Scott
Sent: November 23, 2005 2:43 PM
To: 'framers at FrameUsers.com'
Subject: Table of Contents Question


I have a table of contents that is dynamically generated from the 
contents of a book (I do this for 12 different books).  At times the length of 
the text in the element I have to use to create the entries in the table of 
contents is too long and it wraps to a second line.

Is there a way to elegantly handle this situation?

What I would like to be able to do is set up a tab so that when the 
text wraps there is a little bit of an indent to show that the new line is 
still part of the original element.

Thanks in advance,
st

Scott Tweedy 
Project Leader - Chef de projet 
Aeronautical and Technical Services - Services A?ronautiques et 
Techniques 
Earth Sciences Sector - Secteur des sciences de la terre 
Natural Resources Canada - Ressources naturelles Canada 
174-615 Booth Street - 174-615 rue Booth 
Ottawa, ON  Canada  K1A 0E9 
tel. (613) 992-4459 - t?l. (613) 992-4459 
fax (613) 943-8959 - t?lc. (613) 943-8959 
Email sctweedy at nrcan.gc.ca - Courriel sctweedy at nrcan.gc.ca
   



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Table of Contents Question - 2

[Combs, Richard]

Scott Tweedy wrote: 

  When the text is 
> just long enough that it "runs into" the page number the page 
> number wraps to the next line instead of the text "breaking" 
> and then wrapping.  Here's an example of what I mean:
>  
> ILS or ILS/RADAR RWY 26L...177
> SID(VECTOR) NON JET RICHMOND.
> 178
> SID(VECTOR) VANCOUVER..179
> NOISE ABATEMENT (pg 1)180
  

The second tab that Fred told you to add (between <$elementonly> and
<$pagenum> in your ref page TOC spec) will fix 99% of the problems with
long TOC entries that wrap. 

Occasionally, you may encounter an instance where you want the line to
break earlier. You can force a line break by going to the *source
heading* for the TOC entry and changing the spaces *after* where you
want the break into non-breaking spaces. If the entire heading won't fit
onto one TOC row, it will break at the last ordinary space. 

HTH!
Richard 


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Merge lists?

[phoenix]

Scott Prentice wrote:
>Hi...
>
>I'm just going to throw this out and see what comes of it .. being 
>relatively new to both of these lists, I don't have the history to know 
>any better.
>
>In a perfect world, is there really a need for both of these lists 
>(FrameUsers and Framers)? Are most people actually on both lists (except 

Heck, even in an imperfect world, there's no need for two lists. :) 

~Tarage

Merge lists?

[Rick Quatro]

The only way the lists would "merge" is by people voting with their feet.
For example, if someone set up a Framers group on Yahoo and people joined
that and unsubscribed from the others, the other lists may eventually die.
But it is risky to unsubscribe from a list if there may still be action on
it. In other words, a single list is a good idea, but I doubt it is going to
happen.

Speaking for myself, if there were a third list started, I would join it and
still remain with the other two.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
rick at frameexpert.com
http://www.frameexpert.com

Moooer aha ha ha ha!  Mate, you just asked the Catholics and the
Protestants to kiss and make up!
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Table of Contents Question

[Joe Malin]

Dear Scott - Mon cher Scott :)

I've run into this situation before, and I think there's no automatic
workaround to it. You should be able to add a tab character to the
second line so that the page number is aligned, but you'll have to do
that by hand. I often had this situation when I wrote books for Oracle
Corp., and that was their standard operating procedure.

I figure that if Oracle's entire cadre of FM documentation production
specialists can't come up with a solution, there isn't one.

Joe


TuVox, Inc.


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Technical Writer
(408)625.1623   
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The views expressed in this document are those of the sender, and do not
necessarily reflect those of TuVox, Inc.





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Of Tweedy, Scott
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:43 AM
To: 'framers at FrameUsers.com'
Subject: Table of Contents Question


I have a table of contents that is dynamically generated from
the contents of a book (I do this for 12 different books).  At times the
length of the text in the element I have to use to create the entries in
the table of contents is too long and it wraps to a second line.

Is there a way to elegantly handle this situation?

What I would like to be able to do is set up a tab so that when
the text wraps there is a little bit of an indent to show that the new
line is still part of the original element.

Thanks in advance,
st


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Merge lists?

[John Posada]

Some people may be fogetting something.

The rules of the lists are different. The only way I could see of
merging would be to make the rules on both the same...

...and seeing that the reason the second was created was because of
the rules on the first, I don't see that happening...do you Jeremy or
Lisa?

> The only way the lists would "merge" is by people voting 
> with their feet.

John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

"What do we want? More than 
anybody else has."
 Steve Ballmer

Chautauqua wrap-up?

[Bill Swallow]

Has anyone heard or received anything after attending the Chautauqua?
I was surprised that there were no session evaluations or the like...

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