Re: FrameMaker files and CHM

2007-04-11 Thread David Schor

Karen,
WWP will generate a separate HTM file per heading (that is defined for
starting a new topic). The TopicAlias marker provides the name of the
HTM file.
Only the generated HTM files should interest your developer - it
should not matter to him/her whether the FrameMaker source is in a
single file or in multiple files.

David

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On 4/10/07, Gross, Karen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Sorry, the software to which I was referring is the application for
which we're providing context-sensitive help.

I haven't found any documentation stating anything about needing to
break up the FM files per topic. Our software developer claims it's
necessary, and our tests on the machine control prove him to be correct.
I suspect the problem is with our control's software. At the very least,
I'm missing something that will make it all work.

We're using a custom .h file that holds our topic IDs and the control
screen IDs (Map IDs).  Example: #define IDH_ScreenName 123. The text is
the same as what we put in the TopicAlias marker. The screen ID is the
number assigned to the screen by the software developers.


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RE: Can't print from Frame

2007-04-11 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 22:07 -0700 10/4/07, Dov Isaacs wrote:

Grandmother's tale is best and most literal
translation from the Yiddish.

   - Dov

PS:Dove is a bird; Dov is a bear.

And 'typo' is a contraction of 'typographical error' ;-)

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Re: Conditional Text in Variables? (Or, how would you do this...?)

2007-04-11 Thread eric . dunn
Consider using Xrefs. I've found that documents containing abbreviations, 
terms, values, and the like and referenced as necessary make for very 
versatile and easily maintained FrameMaker documents.



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shortcut for para down

2007-04-11 Thread Rainbow Zhang

Hi All:
Dos anyone know the shortcut for para down--keep with next para? I search
the defined files for these shortcuts, But can't find.
Can anyone help me?

Thanks a lot

Rainbow
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Re: FrameMaker files and CHM

2007-04-11 Thread Bill Swallow

Sorry, the software to which I was referring is the application for
which we're providing context-sensitive help.


That has about as much to do with your source content as the
temperature in your office or the color of your socks.


I haven't found any documentation stating anything about needing to
break up the FM files per topic. Our software developer claims it's
necessary, and our tests on the machine control prove him to be correct.
I suspect the problem is with our control's software. At the very least,
I'm missing something that will make it all work.


Are they using the HTML Help API? Or another API for context-sensitivity?


We're using a custom .h file that holds our topic IDs and the control
screen IDs (Map IDs).  Example: #define IDH_ScreenName 123. The text is
the same as what we put in the TopicAlias marker. The screen ID is the
number assigned to the screen by the software developers.


That's all you need. Just make sure your TopicAlias markers are in the
tight place (I put them in the middle of the headings) and make sure
you are splitting on those heading levels in WWP.

We produce c-s CHMs all the time from FM source using WWP and keep
much of the content in a chapter format, so there are many help topics
per FM file.

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Re: FrameMaker files and CHM

2007-04-11 Thread Bill Swallow

WWP will generate a separate HTM file per heading (that is defined for
starting a new topic). The TopicAlias marker provides the name of the
HTM file.


TopicAlias markers set the c-s topic alias string for the topic, not
the filename.


Only the generated HTM files should interest your developer - it
should not matter to him/her whether the FrameMaker source is in a
single file or in multiple files.


Agreed. Your know-it-all developer is waxing ignorant. ;-)

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Re: shortcut for para down

2007-04-11 Thread Shlomo Perets

Rainbow,

You wrote:


Dos anyone know the shortcut for para down--keep with next para? I search
the defined files for these shortcuts, But can't find.
Can anyone help me?


I wanted to include such a shortcut in the ToolbarPlus FM customization, 
but could not locate one.

You can have a shortcut for place pgf at top of column/page, however.

You can set easily set such a shortcut if you have FrameScript (it will 
only work on computers where FrameScript is installed).



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RE: Maddening problem with frame below

2007-04-11 Thread Rene Stephenson
We have the same problem with 2 similar BlockLine paragraph tags that use 2 pt 
font w/ 6 pt space above and paragraph below pointing to a line on the 
reference page. Both are aligned across all columns and sideheads. Incientally, 
it doesn't happen with our Spacer paragraph tag, which is also 2 pt. with no 
space above or below but doesn't include a paragraph below setting and is 
in-column formatted. So, I don't know if it's due to sidehead involvement or 
the reference page use.

I have found that every time I change show/hide conditions where this paragraph 
format is adjacent to text that gets hidden or shown in the operation, it 
reverts to the default settings for font size and space above, and the only 
way to fix it is to reimport paragraph formats. 

This happens in all of our documents, regardless of which condition tags are 
used or shown or hidden, so it seems to be dependent upon the point sizes

I've tweaked the formats and round-tripped everything through MIF to no avail, 
even ran several plugins to clean out and remap the paragraph formats. I have 
just come to consider it as a bug and work around it (just as I limit my path 
length and dept to work around that particular bug). Therefore, as part of my 
production sequence, before I run Silicon Prairie's Paragraph Tools  Remove 
Overrides. It's another manual step, but it only takes a couple of seconds.  
Doing so is only problematic if the writer has been using manual format 
overrides, which at this shop is taboo anyway.

If there's a better solution, I'd love to know about it!

Rene Stephenson

Steve Rickaby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:42 +0200 11/4/07, Reng, Winfried 
Dr. wrote:

I have a similar problem. I have an infoicon paragraph in the sidehead area 
with a Frame below which holds the info icon. The paragraph font size is 2 pt, 
the space above is 22 pt. Now and then the font size and the space above 
change to normal values (font size 10 pt and space above 110 pt). As a 
consequence the info icon moves down by 6 cm. I didn't pay much attention to 
this problem yet. I have the feeling that this happens when I hide/show 
conditions.

Eventually your problem is also caused by a very small font size which changes 
now and then. What exactly changes when your rule moves down? Maybe you should 
convert to MIF and compare all properties of this paragraph with the correct 
properties.

Good question. Sadly in the single most recent instance I corrected it by 
reapplying the paragraph tag as soon as I'd checked that -L didn't do so. Next 
time it happens, I'll run forensics on the para tags involved to see if 
anything's changed, and if so, what. Thanks for the tip.

If font sizes are changing at random in para tags, though, why don't we notice 
such an apparently gross problem elsewhere? If this is happening, maybe its's 
something specifically to do with para tags in association with reference 
frames?

(You are perhaps a native German speaker, Winfried? Your use of 'eventually' 
suggests it, matching the German word 'Eventuell'.)

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Re: shortcut for para down

2007-04-11 Thread Peter Gold
Have you tried copying the format of an overridden example paragraph to 
the clipboard, then pasting it where you want to apply it?


To repeat this action on other paragraphs that use the same format, 
(tap) Escape (tap) j (tap) j; lowercase matters. This repeats the last 
paragraph format action; pasting the format stops when you copy other 
content to the clipboard.


If you need to apply the override to different paragraph formats, create 
examples in a separate FrameMaker file, and copy special from it.


HTH

Regards,

Peter Gold
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You wrote:

Dos anyone know the shortcut for para down--keep with next para? I 
search

the defined files for these shortcuts, But can't find.
Can anyone help me?


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Re: Maddening problem with frame below

2007-04-11 Thread Peter Gold
I believe that earlier FrameMaker releases were limited to 4pt as the 
smallest font size. With the 2pt minimum now allowed, perhaps it's 
possible that the conditional text programming wasn't changed 
accordingly. I think earlier in this thread a larger point size was 
noted also to fail, so perhaps that's not the issue.


HTH

Regards,

Peter Gold
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Rene Stephenson wrote:

We have the same problem with 2 similar BlockLine paragraph tags that use 2 pt 
font w/ 6 pt space above and paragraph below pointing to a line on the 
reference page. Both are aligned across all columns and sideheads. Incientally, 
it doesn't happen with our Spacer paragraph tag, which is also 2 pt. with no 
space above or below but doesn't include a paragraph below setting and is 
in-column formatted. So, I don't know if it's due to sidehead involvement or 
the reference page use.

I have found that every time I change show/hide conditions where this paragraph format is adjacent to text that gets hidden or shown in the operation, it reverts to the default settings for font size and space above, and the only way to fix it is to reimport paragraph formats. 


This happens in all of our documents, regardless of which condition tags are 
used or shown or hidden, so it seems to be dependent upon the point sizes

I've tweaked the formats and round-tripped everything through MIF to no avail, 
even ran several plugins to clean out and remap the paragraph formats. I have just 
come to consider it as a bug and work around it (just as I limit my path length 
and dept to work around that particular bug). Therefore, as part of my production 
sequence, before I run Silicon Prairie's Paragraph Tools  Remove Overrides. 
It's another manual step, but it only takes a couple of seconds.  Doing so is only 
problematic if the writer has been using manual format overrides, which at this 
shop is taboo anyway.
  


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RE: Maddening problem with frame below

2007-04-11 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 10:16 -0700 11/4/07, Rene Stephenson wrote:

We have the same problem with 2 similar BlockLine paragraph tags that use 2 pt 
font w/ 6 pt space above and paragraph below pointing to a line on the 
reference page. Both are aligned across all columns and sideheads. 
Incientally, it doesn't happen with our Spacer paragraph tag, which is also 2 
pt. with no space above or below but doesn't include a paragraph below setting 
and is in-column formatted. So, I don't know if it's due to sidehead 
involvement or the reference page use.

I guess by the 'same problem', you're referring to Winifried's, not mine.

I'm not using sideheads here, so I'd guess that if it's a bug, it's related to 
the reference page graphic.

I have found that every time I change show/hide conditions where this 
paragraph format is adjacent to text that gets hidden or shown in the 
operation, it reverts to the default settings for font size and space above, 
and the only way to fix it is to reimport paragraph formats.

Show/hide as in conditional text? Well, I'm not using conditional text anywhere 
near this problem para, but as I said before, I've not yet managed to trap what 
actually does trigger it.

What do you mean by the 'default' setting for font sizes and spacing? The 
settings before overrides, or something else? (I'm not applying overrides.)

This happens in all of our documents, regardless of which condition tags are 
used or shown or hidden, so it seems to be dependent upon the point sizes

Bummer.

I've tweaked the formats and round-tripped everything through MIF to no avail, 
even ran several plugins to clean out and remap the paragraph formats. I have 
just come to consider it as a bug and work around it (just as I limit my path 
length and dept to work around that particular bug). Therefore, as part of my 
production sequence, before I run Silicon Prairie's Paragraph Tools  Remove 
Overrides. It's another manual step, but it only takes a couple of seconds.  
Doing so is only problematic if the writer has been using manual format 
overrides, which at this shop is taboo anyway.

As here: the only overrides I permit myself are a few 'keep with nexts' when 
doing final page balancing.

-- 
Steve
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Re: shortcut for para down

2007-04-11 Thread Rick Quatro
My PageBreaks plugin has a floating palette that allows you to set the Keep 
With Next / Keep With Previous properties with the click of a button. See


http://www.frameexpert.com/plugins/pagebreaks/

for more information. Thanks.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
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Dos anyone know the shortcut for para down--keep with next para? I search
the defined files for these shortcuts, But can't find.
Can anyone help me?


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png graphic: insufficient memory to import file.....

2007-04-11 Thread Alexander Witzigmann

i've got the following error while importing a XML file refers to png in
FrameMaker 7.0 / 7.1. insufficient memory to import file.. as
mentioned the xml file opened refers to one particular png graphic which
can be open in regular graphic programs and viewers without any issue.
anyone aware of a particular issue with FrameMaker using png format?

thanks,

alex


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Re: png graphic: insufficient memory to import file.....

2007-04-11 Thread Rick Quatro

Hi Alex,

I have seen this with certain PNG files, but I don't know exactly what 
causes the problem. My solution is to open the PNG with Photoshop and resave 
it and then try to import it again.


Rick Quatro
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585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


i've got the following error while importing a XML file refers to png in
FrameMaker 7.0 / 7.1. insufficient memory to import file.. as
mentioned the xml file opened refers to one particular png graphic which
can be open in regular graphic programs and viewers without any issue.
anyone aware of a particular issue with FrameMaker using png format?

thanks,

alex



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Re: png graphic: insufficient memory to import file.....

2007-04-11 Thread Art Campbell

Well, first, how much memory do you have? FM runs graphics through an
import filter and if you actually are low on RAM

Then, specific to .PNGs, open it an set the bit depth to 8 bits; if
it's 24 you may have other problems.

Art

On 4/11/07, Alexander Witzigmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

i've got the following error while importing a XML file refers to png in
FrameMaker 7.0 / 7.1. insufficient memory to import file.. as
mentioned the xml file opened refers to one particular png graphic which
can be open in regular graphic programs and viewers without any issue.
anyone aware of a particular issue with FrameMaker using png format?

thanks,

alex



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Re: png graphic: insufficient memory to import file.....

2007-04-11 Thread Art Campbell

Some people, with some .pngs, find that the colors migrate into the FM
color definitions.
Hard to find a pattern though... may be the application that generates the .png.

Art

On 4/11/07, Alexander Witzigmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

art,

RAM isn't the cause of the issue. happens from 1 up to 4 GB of physical
memory.
the second hint seems to be the right one. the png i talking about using
24 bit depth. converting it to 8 bit resolves the issue,

 it's 24 you may have other problems.
which problems you are talking about?

thanks,

alex


Art Campbell wrote:
 Well, first, how much memory do you have? FM runs graphics through an
 import filter and if you actually are low on RAM

 Then, specific to .PNGs, open it an set the bit depth to 8 bits; if
 it's 24 you may have other problems.

 Art

 On 4/11/07, Alexander Witzigmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 i've got the following error while importing a XML file refers to png in
 FrameMaker 7.0 / 7.1. insufficient memory to import file.. as
 mentioned the xml file opened refers to one particular png graphic which
 can be open in regular graphic programs and viewers without any issue.
 anyone aware of a particular issue with FrameMaker using png format?

 thanks,

 alex



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RE: png graphic: insufficient memory to import file.....

2007-04-11 Thread Combs, Richard
Art Campbell wrote:

 Then, specific to .PNGs, open it an set the bit depth to 8 
 bits; if it's 24 you may have other problems.

Actually, that's a bad idea. There is remarkably little size difference
between 24-bit and 8-bit PNGs. And the latter have an annoying
disadvantage when imported into FM: they use a 256-color palette
(indexed color), and the entire palette gets added to the FM
document's color definitions. Import several 8-bit PNGs, and your color
definitions list contains hundreds of entries like RGB 165, 000, 102. 

I've never heard of any problems specifically associated with 24-bit
color in PNGs, and I've been using them for years. Occasionally, I've
encountered one that FM's filter can't handle, and Rick Quatro's method
of opening it in a graphics program and resaving has always fixed that. 

YMMV, of course. :-)

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Re: shortcut for para down

2007-04-11 Thread Peter Gold

Hi, Shlomo!

Shlomo Perets wrote:

Peter,

You wrote:

Have you tried copying the format of an overridden example paragraph 
to the clipboard, then pasting it where you want to apply it?


To repeat this action on other paragraphs that use the same format, 
(tap) Escape (tap) j (tap) j; lowercase matters. This repeats the 
last paragraph format action; pasting the format stops when you copy 
other content to the clipboard.


If you need to apply the override to different paragraph formats, 
create examples in a separate FrameMaker file, and copy special from it.



When applying the keep with next property to a paragraph and then 
using the Repeat Last Paragraph Action shortcut in another paragraph, 
the entire set of paragraph properties is applied (together with the 
tag name), including the override. Using this shortcut makes the 
operation highly tag-specific (this equally applies to copy special  
pgf format + paste).
I agree. My suggestion was for the case where one paragraph format needs 
the override often. I suggested the separate file to make it easy to 
choose among several different paragraphs.
If the Keep with Next override is only needed with a small number of 
paragraph formats, it is likely better to have official paragraph 
tags with the needed settings (not as overrides), or to have  
additional paragraph tags that minimize the need to apply pagination 
overrides.

As you know, there are two schools of thought on this:

* Overrides for page-flow tweaking are GOOD, because importing the file 
to itself with Remove Overrides makes it easy to clean up a file for the 
next iteration or revision. Dedicated paragraph format variations for 
different page breaks or keep with behavior is BAD because removing the 
custom tweaking is more effort.


* Dedicated paragraph format variations are GOOD for page-flow tweaking, 
because they are stable and are proof against Remove Overrides actions.


One takes the road that leads to that inner peach that all technical 
authors seek constantlyG.


Regards,

Peter Gold
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Re: png graphic: insufficient memory to import file.....

2007-04-11 Thread Alexander Witzigmann

art,

RAM isn't the cause of the issue. happens from 1 up to 4 GB of physical 
memory.
the second hint seems to be the right one. the png i talking about using 
24 bit depth. converting it to 8 bit resolves the issue,


it's 24 you may have other problems. 

which problems you are talking about?

thanks,

alex


Art Campbell wrote:

Well, first, how much memory do you have? FM runs graphics through an
import filter and if you actually are low on RAM

Then, specific to .PNGs, open it an set the bit depth to 8 bits; if
it's 24 you may have other problems.

Art

On 4/11/07, Alexander Witzigmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

i've got the following error while importing a XML file refers to png in
FrameMaker 7.0 / 7.1. insufficient memory to import file.. as
mentioned the xml file opened refers to one particular png graphic which
can be open in regular graphic programs and viewers without any issue.
anyone aware of a particular issue with FrameMaker using png format?

thanks,

alex



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Red Element Boundaries

2007-04-11 Thread Mike Feimster
Saw something strange today. When viewing a structured document with
element boundaries turned on (either as brackets or tags) the boundaries
are red. Just the boundaries. The text itself is black. This is in the
document window, not the structure view. And the document is valid.
 
Any ideas?
 
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Maddening problem with frame below

2007-04-11 Thread Reng, Winfried Dr.
Hi Steve,

I have a similar problem. I have an infoicon paragraph
in the sidehead area with a Frame below which holds the info
icon. The paragraph font size is 2 pt, the space above is
22 pt. Now and then the font size and the space above change
to "normal" values (font size 10 pt and space above 110 pt).
As a consequence the info icon moves down by 6 cm. I didn't
pay much attention to this problem yet. I have the feeling
that this happens when I hide/show conditions.

Eventually your problem is also caused by a very small font
size which changes now and then. What exactly changes when
your rule moves down? Maybe you should convert to MIF and
compare all properties of this paragraph with the correct
properties.

Best regards

Winfried

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+wreng=tycoint.com at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces+wreng=tycoint.com at lists.frameusers.com
> ]On Behalf
> Of Steve Rickaby
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 5:43 PM
> To: Art Campbell; Framers; Ridder, Fred
> Subject: Re: Maddening problem with frame below
> 
> 
> At 14:10 -0400 30/3/07, Art Campbell wrote:
> 
> >It almost sounds like a display problem. Does it snap back into place
> >when you do a Ctrl-L?
> 
> ...and Fred wrote something similar.
> 
> Well, it's just happened again, and no, it's not the screen 
> redraw bug. The misplaced rule survived a -L, and I had 
> to reapply the para format to correct it.
> 
> >
> >On 3/30/07, Steve Rickaby  wrote:
> >>I wonder if anyone can help me with an inexplicable irritation.
> >>
> >>I have a para format with an under-rule graphic taken off 
> the reference page and applied with the Frame blow pgf 
> feature in the Advanced pane of the para designer.
> >>
> >>When the format is initially applied to the para, the rule 
> appears correctly. Left to its own devices, however, (no, I 
> don't know, maybe during book update), the rule suddenly 
> appears about 18 points below where it should be, in fact in 
> the middle of the next line below.
> >>
> >>When I re-apply the format to the errant para, the rule 
> snaps back to where it's supposed to be.
> >>
> >>Any ideas?
> >>
> >>--
> >>Steve
> >>___
> >
> >
> >--
> >Art Campbell 
> art.campbell at gmail.com
> > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a 
> '52 Vincent
> >  and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
> >No disclaimers apply.
> >DoD 358
> 
> 
> -- 
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FrameMaker files and CHM

2007-04-11 Thread David Schor
Karen,
WWP will generate a separate HTM file per heading (that is defined for
starting a new topic). The TopicAlias marker provides the name of the
HTM file.
Only the generated HTM files should interest your developer - it
should not matter to him/her whether the FrameMaker source is in a
single file or in multiple files.

David

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On 4/10/07, Gross, Karen  wrote:
> Sorry, the software to which I was referring is the application for
> which we're providing context-sensitive help.
>
> I haven't found any documentation stating anything about needing to
> break up the FM files per topic. Our software developer claims it's
> necessary, and our tests on the machine control prove him to be correct.
> I suspect the problem is with our control's software. At the very least,
> I'm missing something that will make it all work.
>
> We're using a custom .h file that holds our topic IDs and the control
> screen IDs (Map IDs).  Example: #define IDH_ScreenName 123. The text is
> the same as what we put in the TopicAlias marker. The screen ID is the
> number assigned to the screen by the software developers.
>



Can't print from Frame

2007-04-11 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 22:07 -0700 10/4/07, Dov Isaacs wrote:

>Grandmother's tale is best and most literal
>translation from the Yiddish.
>
>   - Dov
>
>PS:"Dove" is a bird; "Dov" is a bear.

And 'typo' is a contraction of 'typographical error' ;-)

-- 
Steve



Maddening problem with frame below

2007-04-11 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 08:42 +0200 11/4/07, Reng, Winfried Dr. wrote:

>I have a similar problem. I have an infoicon paragraph in the sidehead area 
>with a Frame below which holds the info icon. The paragraph font size is 2 pt, 
>the space above is 22 pt. Now and then the font size and the space above 
>change to "normal" values (font size 10 pt and space above 110 pt). As a 
>consequence the info icon moves down by 6 cm. I didn't pay much attention to 
>this problem yet. I have the feeling that this happens when I hide/show 
>conditions.
>
>Eventually your problem is also caused by a very small font size which changes 
>now and then. What exactly changes when your rule moves down? Maybe you should 
>convert to MIF and compare all properties of this paragraph with the correct 
>properties.

Good question. Sadly in the single most recent instance I corrected it by 
reapplying the paragraph tag as soon as I'd checked that -L didn't do so. 
Next time it happens, I'll run forensics on the para tags involved to see if 
anything's changed, and if so, what. Thanks for the tip.

If font sizes are changing at random in para tags, though, why don't we notice 
such an apparently gross problem elsewhere? If this is happening, maybe its's 
something specifically to do with para tags in association with reference 
frames?

(You are perhaps a native German speaker, Winfried? Your use of 'eventually' 
suggests it, matching the German word 'Eventuell'.)

-- 
Steve



Conditional Text in Variables? (Or, how would you do this...?)

2007-04-11 Thread eric.d...@ca.transport.bombardier.com
Consider using Xrefs. I've found that documents containing abbreviations, 
terms, values, and the like and referenced as necessary make for very 
versatile and easily maintained FrameMaker documents.



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shortcut for para down

2007-04-11 Thread Rainbow Zhang
Hi All:
Dos anyone know the shortcut for para down--keep with next para? I search
the defined files for these shortcuts, But can't find.
Can anyone help me?

Thanks a lot

Rainbow



FrameMaker files and CHM

2007-04-11 Thread Bill Swallow
> Sorry, the software to which I was referring is the application for
> which we're providing context-sensitive help.

That has about as much to do with your source content as the
temperature in your office or the color of your socks.

> I haven't found any documentation stating anything about needing to
> break up the FM files per topic. Our software developer claims it's
> necessary, and our tests on the machine control prove him to be correct.
> I suspect the problem is with our control's software. At the very least,
> I'm missing something that will make it all work.

Are they using the HTML Help API? Or another API for context-sensitivity?

> We're using a custom .h file that holds our topic IDs and the control
> screen IDs (Map IDs).  Example: #define IDH_ScreenName 123. The text is
> the same as what we put in the TopicAlias marker. The screen ID is the
> number assigned to the screen by the software developers.

That's all you need. Just make sure your TopicAlias markers are in the
tight place (I put them in the middle of the headings) and make sure
you are splitting on those heading levels in WWP.

We produce c-s CHMs all the time from FM source using WWP and keep
much of the content in a chapter format, so there are many help topics
per FM file.

-- 
Bill Swallow
HATT List Owner
WWP-Users List Owner
Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter
STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager
http://techcommdood.blogspot.com
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FrameMaker files and CHM

2007-04-11 Thread Bill Swallow
> WWP will generate a separate HTM file per heading (that is defined for
> starting a new topic). The TopicAlias marker provides the name of the
> HTM file.

TopicAlias markers set the c-s topic alias string for the topic, not
the filename.

> Only the generated HTM files should interest your developer - it
> should not matter to him/her whether the FrameMaker source is in a
> single file or in multiple files.

Agreed. Your know-it-all developer is waxing ignorant. ;-)

-- 
Bill Swallow
HATT List Owner
WWP-Users List Owner
Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter
STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager
http://techcommdood.blogspot.com
avid homebrewer and proud beer snob
"I see your OOO message and raise you a clue."



shortcut for para down

2007-04-11 Thread Shlomo Perets
Rainbow,

You wrote:

>Dos anyone know the shortcut for para down--keep with next para? I search
>the defined files for these shortcuts, But can't find.
>Can anyone help me?

I wanted to include such a shortcut in the ToolbarPlus FM customization, 
but could not locate one.
You can have a shortcut for "place pgf at top of column/page", however.

You can set easily set such a shortcut if you have FrameScript (it will 
only work on computers where FrameScript is installed).


Shlomo Perets

MicroType, http://www.microtype.com
Training, consulting & add-ons: FrameMaker, Structured FM and Acrobat




Maddening problem with frame below

2007-04-11 Thread Rene Stephenson
We have the same problem with 2 similar BlockLine paragraph tags that use 2 pt 
font w/ 6 pt space above and paragraph below pointing to a line on the 
reference page. Both are aligned across all columns and sideheads. Incientally, 
it doesn't happen with our Spacer paragraph tag, which is also 2 pt. with no 
space above or below but doesn't include a paragraph below setting and is 
in-column formatted. So, I don't know if it's due to sidehead involvement or 
the reference page use.

I have found that every time I change show/hide conditions where this paragraph 
format is adjacent to text that gets hidden or shown in the operation, it 
reverts to the "default" settings for font size and space above, and the only 
way to fix it is to reimport paragraph formats. 

This happens in all of our documents, regardless of which condition tags are 
used or shown or hidden, so it seems to be dependent upon the point sizes

I've tweaked the formats and round-tripped everything through MIF to no avail, 
even ran several plugins to clean out and remap the paragraph formats. I have 
just come to consider it as a bug and work around it (just as I limit my path 
length and dept to work around that particular bug). Therefore, as part of my 
production sequence, before I run Silicon Prairie's Paragraph Tools > Remove 
Overrides. It's another manual step, but it only takes a couple of seconds.  
Doing so is only problematic if the writer has been using manual format 
overrides, which at this shop is taboo anyway.

If there's a better solution, I'd love to know about it!

Rene Stephenson

Steve Rickaby  wrote: At 08:42 +0200 
11/4/07, Reng, Winfried Dr. wrote:

>I have a similar problem. I have an infoicon paragraph in the sidehead area 
>with a Frame below which holds the info icon. The paragraph font size is 2 pt, 
>the space above is 22 pt. Now and then the font size and the space above 
>change to "normal" values (font size 10 pt and space above 110 pt). As a 
>consequence the info icon moves down by 6 cm. I didn't pay much attention to 
>this problem yet. I have the feeling that this happens when I hide/show 
>conditions.
>
>Eventually your problem is also caused by a very small font size which changes 
>now and then. What exactly changes when your rule moves down? Maybe you should 
>convert to MIF and compare all properties of this paragraph with the correct 
>properties.

Good question. Sadly in the single most recent instance I corrected it by 
reapplying the paragraph tag as soon as I'd checked that -L didn't do so. Next 
time it happens, I'll run forensics on the para tags involved to see if 
anything's changed, and if so, what. Thanks for the tip.

If font sizes are changing at random in para tags, though, why don't we notice 
such an apparently gross problem elsewhere? If this is happening, maybe its's 
something specifically to do with para tags in association with reference 
frames?

(You are perhaps a native German speaker, Winfried? Your use of 'eventually' 
suggests it, matching the German word 'Eventuell'.)

-- 
Steve
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shortcut for para down

2007-04-11 Thread Peter Gold
Have you tried copying the format of an overridden example paragraph to 
the clipboard, then pasting it where you want to apply it?

To repeat this action on other paragraphs that use the same format, 
(tap) Escape (tap) j (tap) j; lowercase matters. This repeats the last 
paragraph format action; pasting the format stops when you copy other 
content to the clipboard.

If you need to apply the override to different paragraph formats, create 
examples in a separate FrameMaker file, and copy special from it.

HTH

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices
>
> You wrote:
>
>> Dos anyone know the shortcut for para down--keep with next para? I 
>> search
>> the defined files for these shortcuts, But can't find.
>> Can anyone help me?




Maddening problem with frame below

2007-04-11 Thread Peter Gold
I believe that earlier FrameMaker releases were limited to 4pt as the 
smallest font size. With the 2pt minimum now allowed, perhaps it's 
possible that the conditional text programming wasn't changed 
accordingly. I think earlier in this thread a larger point size was 
noted also to fail, so perhaps that's not the issue.

HTH

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

Rene Stephenson wrote:
> We have the same problem with 2 similar BlockLine paragraph tags that use 2 
> pt font w/ 6 pt space above and paragraph below pointing to a line on the 
> reference page. Both are aligned across all columns and sideheads. 
> Incientally, it doesn't happen with our Spacer paragraph tag, which is also 2 
> pt. with no space above or below but doesn't include a paragraph below 
> setting and is in-column formatted. So, I don't know if it's due to sidehead 
> involvement or the reference page use.
>
> I have found that every time I change show/hide conditions where this 
> paragraph format is adjacent to text that gets hidden or shown in the 
> operation, it reverts to the "default" settings for font size and space 
> above, and the only way to fix it is to reimport paragraph formats. 
>
> This happens in all of our documents, regardless of which condition tags are 
> used or shown or hidden, so it seems to be dependent upon the point sizes
>
> I've tweaked the formats and round-tripped everything through MIF to no 
> avail, even ran several plugins to clean out and remap the paragraph formats. 
> I have just come to consider it as a bug and work around it (just as I limit 
> my path length and dept to work around that particular bug). Therefore, as 
> part of my production sequence, before I run Silicon Prairie's Paragraph 
> Tools > Remove Overrides. It's another manual step, but it only takes a 
> couple of seconds.  Doing so is only problematic if the writer has been using 
> manual format overrides, which at this shop is taboo anyway.
>   




Maddening problem with frame below

2007-04-11 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 10:16 -0700 11/4/07, Rene Stephenson wrote:

>We have the same problem with 2 similar BlockLine paragraph tags that use 2 pt 
>font w/ 6 pt space above and paragraph below pointing to a line on the 
>reference page. Both are aligned across all columns and sideheads. 
>Incientally, it doesn't happen with our Spacer paragraph tag, which is also 2 
>pt. with no space above or below but doesn't include a paragraph below setting 
>and is in-column formatted. So, I don't know if it's due to sidehead 
>involvement or the reference page use.

I guess by the 'same problem', you're referring to Winifried's, not mine.

I'm not using sideheads here, so I'd guess that if it's a bug, it's related to 
the reference page graphic.

>I have found that every time I change show/hide conditions where this 
>paragraph format is adjacent to text that gets hidden or shown in the 
>operation, it reverts to the "default" settings for font size and space above, 
>and the only way to fix it is to reimport paragraph formats.

Show/hide as in conditional text? Well, I'm not using conditional text anywhere 
near this problem para, but as I said before, I've not yet managed to trap what 
actually does trigger it.

What do you mean by the 'default' setting for font sizes and spacing? The 
settings before overrides, or something else? (I'm not applying overrides.)

>This happens in all of our documents, regardless of which condition tags are 
>used or shown or hidden, so it seems to be dependent upon the point sizes

Bummer.

>I've tweaked the formats and round-tripped everything through MIF to no avail, 
>even ran several plugins to clean out and remap the paragraph formats. I have 
>just come to consider it as a bug and work around it (just as I limit my path 
>length and dept to work around that particular bug). Therefore, as part of my 
>production sequence, before I run Silicon Prairie's Paragraph Tools > Remove 
>Overrides. It's another manual step, but it only takes a couple of seconds.  
>Doing so is only problematic if the writer has been using manual format 
>overrides, which at this shop is taboo anyway.

As here: the only overrides I permit myself are a few 'keep with nexts' when 
doing final page balancing.

-- 
Steve



shortcut for para down

2007-04-11 Thread Shlomo Perets
Peter,

You wrote:

>Have you tried copying the format of an overridden example paragraph to 
>the clipboard, then pasting it where you want to apply it?
>
>To repeat this action on other paragraphs that use the same format, (tap) 
>Escape (tap) j (tap) j; lowercase matters. This repeats the last paragraph 
>format action; pasting the format stops when you copy other content to the 
>clipboard.
>
>If you need to apply the override to different paragraph formats, create 
>examples in a separate FrameMaker file, and copy special from it.


When applying the "keep with next" property to a paragraph and then using 
the Repeat Last Paragraph Action shortcut in another paragraph, the entire 
set of paragraph properties is applied (together with the tag name), 
including the override. Using this shortcut makes the operation highly 
tag-specific (this equally applies to copy special > pgf format + paste).

If the Keep with Next override is only needed with a small number of 
paragraph formats, it is likely better to have "official" paragraph tags 
with the needed settings (not as overrides), or to have  additional 
paragraph tags that minimize the need to apply pagination overrides.


Shlomo Perets

MicroType, http://www.microtype.com
Training, consulting & add-ons: FrameMaker, Structured FM and Acrobat





shortcut for para down

2007-04-11 Thread Shlomo Perets
Peter,

You wrote:

>Have you tried copying the format of an overridden example paragraph to 
>the clipboard, then pasting it where you want to apply it?
>
>To repeat this action on other paragraphs that use the same format, (tap) 
>Escape (tap) j (tap) j; lowercase matters. This repeats the last paragraph 
>format action; pasting the format stops when you copy other content to the 
>clipboard.
>
>If you need to apply the override to different paragraph formats, create 
>examples in a separate FrameMaker file, and copy special from it.


When applying the "keep with next" property to a paragraph and then using 
the Repeat Last Paragraph Action shortcut in another paragraph, the entire 
set of paragraph properties is applied (together with the tag name), 
including the override. Using this shortcut makes the operation highly 
tag-specific (this equally applies to copy special > pgf format + paste).

If the Keep with Next override is only needed with a small number of 
paragraph formats, it is likely better to have "official" paragraph tags 
with the needed settings (not as overrides), or to have  additional 
paragraph tags that minimize the need to apply pagination overrides.


Shlomo Perets

MicroType, http://www.microtype.com
Training, consulting & add-ons: FrameMaker, Structured FM and Acrobat





shortcut for para down

2007-04-11 Thread Rick Quatro
My PageBreaks plugin has a floating palette that allows you to set the Keep 
With Next / Keep With Previous properties with the click of a button. See

http://www.frameexpert.com/plugins/pagebreaks/

for more information. Thanks.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


> Dos anyone know the shortcut for para down--keep with next para? I search
> the defined files for these shortcuts, But can't find.
> Can anyone help me?




png graphic: insufficient memory to import file.....

2007-04-11 Thread Alexander Witzigmann
i've got the following error while importing a XML file refers to png in
FrameMaker 7.0 / 7.1. "insufficient memory to import file.". as
mentioned the xml file opened refers to one particular png graphic which
can be open in regular graphic programs and viewers without any issue.
anyone aware of a particular issue with FrameMaker using png format?

thanks,

alex




png graphic: insufficient memory to import file.....

2007-04-11 Thread Rick Quatro
Hi Alex,

I have seen this with certain PNG files, but I don't know exactly what 
causes the problem. My solution is to open the PNG with Photoshop and resave 
it and then try to import it again.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com

> i've got the following error while importing a XML file refers to png in
> FrameMaker 7.0 / 7.1. "insufficient memory to import file.". as
> mentioned the xml file opened refers to one particular png graphic which
> can be open in regular graphic programs and viewers without any issue.
> anyone aware of a particular issue with FrameMaker using png format?
>
> thanks,
>
> alex
>




png graphic: insufficient memory to import file.....

2007-04-11 Thread Art Campbell
Well, first, how much memory do you have? FM runs graphics through an
import filter and if you actually are low on RAM

Then, specific to .PNGs, open it an set the bit depth to 8 bits; if
it's 24 you may have other problems.

Art

On 4/11/07, Alexander Witzigmann  wrote:
> i've got the following error while importing a XML file refers to png in
> FrameMaker 7.0 / 7.1. "insufficient memory to import file.". as
> mentioned the xml file opened refers to one particular png graphic which
> can be open in regular graphic programs and viewers without any issue.
> anyone aware of a particular issue with FrameMaker using png format?
>
> thanks,
>
> alex
>
>
>
> _

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gmail.com
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   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358



png graphic: insufficient memory to import file.....

2007-04-11 Thread Art Campbell
Some people, with some .pngs, find that the colors migrate into the FM
color definitions.
Hard to find a pattern though... may be the application that generates the .png.

Art

On 4/11/07, Alexander Witzigmann  wrote:
> art,
>
> RAM isn't the cause of the issue. happens from 1 up to 4 GB of physical
> memory.
> the second hint seems to be the right one. the png i talking about using
> 24 bit depth. converting it to 8 bit resolves the issue,
>
> > it's 24 you may have other problems.
> which problems you are talking about?
>
> thanks,
>
> alex
>
>
> Art Campbell wrote:
> > Well, first, how much memory do you have? FM runs graphics through an
> > import filter and if you actually are low on RAM
> >
> > Then, specific to .PNGs, open it an set the bit depth to 8 bits; if
> > it's 24 you may have other problems.
> >
> > Art
> >
> > On 4/11/07, Alexander Witzigmann  wrote:
> >> i've got the following error while importing a XML file refers to png in
> >> FrameMaker 7.0 / 7.1. "insufficient memory to import file.". as
> >> mentioned the xml file opened refers to one particular png graphic which
> >> can be open in regular graphic programs and viewers without any issue.
> >> anyone aware of a particular issue with FrameMaker using png format?
> >>
> >> thanks,
> >>
> >> alex
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _
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png graphic: insufficient memory to import file.....

2007-04-11 Thread Combs, Richard
Art Campbell wrote:

> Then, specific to .PNGs, open it an set the bit depth to 8 
> bits; if it's 24 you may have other problems.

Actually, that's a bad idea. There is remarkably little size difference
between 24-bit and 8-bit PNGs. And the latter have an annoying
disadvantage when imported into FM: they use a 256-color palette
("indexed color"), and the entire palette gets added to the FM
document's color definitions. Import several 8-bit PNGs, and your color
definitions list contains hundreds of entries like "RGB 165, 000, 102." 

I've never heard of any problems specifically associated with 24-bit
color in PNGs, and I've been using them for years. Occasionally, I've
encountered one that FM's filter can't handle, and Rick Quatro's method
of opening it in a graphics program and resaving has always fixed that. 

YMMV, of course. :-)

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Maddening problem with frame below

2007-04-11 Thread Rene Stephenson

Steve Rickaby  wrote:>I guess by the 'same 
problem', you're referring to Winifried's, not mine.
Yes, sorry. 

>I'm not using sideheads here, so I'd guess that if it's a bug, it's related to 
>the reference page graphic.

OK, in light of this and Peter's comment about earlier in this thread larger 
point sizes being affected, I think you're right. Actually, I must correct 
myself: the graphic on the reference page is included in the BlockLine para 
format via Frame Above Pgf, not below; so, that would lead me to believe it 
doesn't matter whether it's a Frame Above Pgf or Frame Below Pgf, as much as it 
is just the fact that it involves the Reference page.
>Show/hide as in conditional text? 

Yes.

>Well, I'm not using conditional text anywhere near this problem para, but as I 
>said before, I've not yet managed to trap what actually does trigger it.
I just did a test and found it happening when condition-tagged text is not 
adjacent to the BlockLine para tag, too. But, I can't trigger it without 
changing the show/hide conditions. I wonder if it could be something triggered 
by show/hide conditions causing the para formats to reapply the ref pages or 
something...  
>What do you mean by the 'default' setting for font sizes and spacing? 
By "default" settings, I was just echoing Winfried. Although when I select one 
of the errant BlockLine paragraphs and view it in Paragraph Designer, 
everything appears correct without overrides, it shows as *BlockLine in the 
Formatting bar, and when I check Format > Size, it shows 11 pt (which is the 
size it appears to be) checked rather than 2 pt.

Rene




shortcut for para down

2007-04-11 Thread Peter Gold
Hi, Shlomo!

Shlomo Perets wrote:
> Peter,
>
> You wrote:
>
>> Have you tried copying the format of an overridden example paragraph 
>> to the clipboard, then pasting it where you want to apply it?
>>
>> To repeat this action on other paragraphs that use the same format, 
>> (tap) Escape (tap) j (tap) j; lowercase matters. This repeats the 
>> last paragraph format action; pasting the format stops when you copy 
>> other content to the clipboard.
>>
>> If you need to apply the override to different paragraph formats, 
>> create examples in a separate FrameMaker file, and copy special from it.
>
>
> When applying the "keep with next" property to a paragraph and then 
> using the Repeat Last Paragraph Action shortcut in another paragraph, 
> the entire set of paragraph properties is applied (together with the 
> tag name), including the override. Using this shortcut makes the 
> operation highly tag-specific (this equally applies to copy special > 
> pgf format + paste).
I agree. My suggestion was for the case where one paragraph format needs 
the override often. I suggested the separate file to make it easy to 
choose among several different paragraphs.
> If the Keep with Next override is only needed with a small number of 
> paragraph formats, it is likely better to have "official" paragraph 
> tags with the needed settings (not as overrides), or to have  
> additional paragraph tags that minimize the need to apply pagination 
> overrides.
As you know, there are two schools of thought on this:

* Overrides for page-flow tweaking are GOOD, because importing the file 
to itself with Remove Overrides makes it easy to clean up a file for the 
next iteration or revision. Dedicated paragraph format variations for 
different page breaks or keep with behavior is BAD because removing the 
custom tweaking is more effort.

* Dedicated paragraph format variations are GOOD for page-flow tweaking, 
because they are stable and are proof against Remove Overrides actions.

One takes the road that leads to that inner peach that all technical 
authors seek constantly.

Regards,

Peter Gold
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png graphic: insufficient memory to import file.....

2007-04-11 Thread Alexander Witzigmann
art,

RAM isn't the cause of the issue. happens from 1 up to 4 GB of physical 
memory.
the second hint seems to be the right one. the png i talking about using 
24 bit depth. converting it to 8 bit resolves the issue,

> it's 24 you may have other problems. 
which problems you are talking about?

thanks,

alex


Art Campbell wrote:
> Well, first, how much memory do you have? FM runs graphics through an
> import filter and if you actually are low on RAM
>
> Then, specific to .PNGs, open it an set the bit depth to 8 bits; if
> it's 24 you may have other problems.
>
> Art
>
> On 4/11/07, Alexander Witzigmann  wrote:
>> i've got the following error while importing a XML file refers to png in
>> FrameMaker 7.0 / 7.1. "insufficient memory to import file.". as
>> mentioned the xml file opened refers to one particular png graphic which
>> can be open in regular graphic programs and viewers without any issue.
>> anyone aware of a particular issue with FrameMaker using png format?
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> alex
>>
>>
>>
>> _
>



Red Element Boundaries

2007-04-11 Thread Mike Feimster
Saw something strange today. When viewing a structured document with
element boundaries turned on (either as brackets or tags) the boundaries
are red. Just the boundaries. The text itself is black. This is in the
document window, not the structure view. And the document is valid.

Any ideas?

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