Importing Ventura files

[Jacob Schäffer]

The old Ventura versions (up to 4.2) had language or region specific 
import/export filters for referenced files, especially .TXT files. Upgrading 
may fail if the filter code mentioned in the original CHP file is unknown to 
the newer version of Ventura or the Framemaker import filter.

I'd be surprised if Framemaker can import 5.0 or newer Ventura docs. Hence, 
unless your documents are very old you might be better off keeping them in 
Ventura 4.2. The 4.2 version CAN still run on Windows 2000 or Windows XP though 
the installer may fail.

The easiest way to have this old Ventura run again is to copy an installed 
version from an old Windows 95/98 computer directly into the C:\VENTURA folder, 
and then create a shortcut to vpwin.exe. If you can't keep all references to an 
existing WID file (must NOT be ENVIRON.WID) some text flow will occur -- in 
which case you might want to upgrade anyway :-)

- Jacob 


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> Emne: RE: Importing Ventura files
> 
> 
> Thanks for your help, Jacob! 
> 
> I thought Framemaker was able to import Ventura files. At 
> least in FM7, I can select the file type Ventura Publisher, 
> and when I select a chp file, FM automatically suggest this 
> file type. But obviously, things are more difficult than I 
> first thought.
> 
> Also, is Ventura 10 really able to open all older Ventura 
> file formats? I doubt this, but will try. My idea was to use 
> Ventura (whatever version), save the existing files in a 
> version FM understands and then import those into FM. At 
> least, that' what some people seem to have managed.
> 
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Can't delete rogue custom colors

[Harro de Jong]

Kelly Jo Horton wrote:


> Somehow I ended up with about 75 RGB colors added to my color
pulldown.
> I think it may have happened when I imported an RTF file. Not sure. 

You also get those definitions when you import graphics. If the graphic
is still in the FM file, you won't be able to remove the definition
since the definition will be in use. 

So, no way to remove them. 

Harro de Jong

TOC within a chapter

[Yves Barbion]

Rick has a good point here, and this brings us to the discussion about the
hidden costs of (doing things manually to create and update) technical
documentation and return on investment (ROI).

You can do the math: 1 tech writer creating, updating and checking all the
local TOCs once in 1 book (of 10 chapters on average) =  minutes x $
per minute (the tech writer's rate or wage cost). Multiply this by the
number of books, or by the number of updates per book. You'll have ROI after
less than 10 updates (or books) already.


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On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 3:16 PM, Rick Quatro 
wrote:

> Hi Darren,
>
> Those that won't buy FrameScript will have to settle for either manual
> method: inserting cross-references to make a chapter TOC, or using Special
> >
> Table of Contents to generate a TOC and then import it by reference into
> the
> chapter. Considering the significant time savings that a script would bring
> every time it is used, the "won't buy" argument doesn't make any sense to
> me. Any serious FrameMaker shop should consider FrameScript as an essential
> plugin, especially at the bargain price of $149/seat.
>
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing Inc
> 585-659-8267
> www.frameexpert.com
>
>
> Unfortunately, some of my
> clients do not have the FrameScript program and a few of them have no
> plans to purchase it. Therefore, I need a plan "B."
> I'm considering generating the TOC to a separate file, then importing
> the TOC as a text inset.
>
> Any thoughts on this?
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Words dropping out when a PDF is generated

[Yves Barbion]

Hi John,

I just posted this topic this morning:




Hi Framers

Good news for those of you who have experienced the following problems:

   - Save as PDF leading to a crash.
   - Text dropping out of PDF created from FrameMaker.

The only workaround for this nasty problem was to delete fntcache.dat and
restart Windows. This is no longer necessary (fingers crossed), because a
Windows Hotfix is now available:

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2008/07/hotfix_for_framemaker_1.html

Hurray, hurray!



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On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 3:52 PM, John Posada  wrote:

> Hi, guys.
>
> Has anyone experienced the problem of when generating a PDF from a Frame
> book, of random words dropping out; not appearing in the PDF, but their
> space still reserved.
>
> >From what we can tell, it only happens on XP Pro OS and is more prone
> (though not always) in text inserted by reference.
>
>
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Can a Framescript event script interact with an external program?

[Rick Spiegel]

I would like to attach a FrameScript event script to the Open command in 
Frame. I would like this script to run an external program and pop up a 
warning in Frame based on the results of the external program. The 
external program can return either an exit code or a string.

And a related question: the external program referred to above is 
Perforce. Does anyone know of a plug in that would allow Frame and 
Perforce to communicate?

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TOC within a chapter

[Yves Barbion]

Hi Darren,

yes, you can generate standalone TOCs and import them by reference into a
chapter, but you'll have to update and check each chapter individually each
time you add, remove or change titles in that chapter.

Like Art said the ChapterTOC Framescript is the easiest but also the best
solution. You can even run it on complete FM books.

Cheers

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On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584
CBSS/GBHAC  wrote:

> Hello fellow FrameManiacs,
>
>
>
> If you have:
>
> a.   Experience with MIL-STD Work Packages.
>
> b.  Experience producing documents that have a TOC within each
> individual chapter.
>
>
>
> Please contact me off-list, I have questions about generating and
> formatting the TOC.
>
>
>
> TIA,
>
> DJ Butler
>
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RE: Importing Ventura files

[Alan Litchfield]

Here is a tool that you can use to do a find and replace on tag markers to,
for example, html. It is designed to convert Wordperfect to x but apparently
works the other way around too.
http://wptoolbox.com/library/Code2txt.html

Of course you could do the same thing with a decent text editor like Vim.

If there are images you will need to convert them to an appropriate format.

Alternatively there is this. It converts Ventura to rtf then do whatever you
want with it.
http://tagwrite.com/ventura.html

Cheers
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Importing Ventura files

[Art Campbell]

There's at least one service bureau that's still advertising VP > FM
services...
Haven't used them, but... http://www.softline.com/sii/convsvcs/convsvcs.html

Art

On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 11:00 AM, Jacob Sch?ffer  wrote:
> The old Ventura versions (up to 4.2) had language or region specific 
> import/export filters for referenced files, especially .TXT files. Upgrading 
> may fail if the filter code mentioned in the original CHP file is unknown to 
> the newer version of Ventura or the Framemaker import filter.
>
> I'd be surprised if Framemaker can import 5.0 or newer Ventura docs. Hence, 
> unless your documents are very old you might be better off keeping them in 
> Ventura 4.2. The 4.2 version CAN still run on Windows 2000 or Windows XP 
> though the installer may fail.
>
> The easiest way to have this old Ventura run again is to copy an installed 
> version from an old Windows 95/98 computer directly into the C:\VENTURA 
> folder, and then create a shortcut to vpwin.exe. If you can't keep all 
> references to an existing WID file (must NOT be ENVIRON.WID) some text flow 
> will occur -- in which case you might want to upgrade anyway :-)
>
> - Jacob
>
>
>> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
>> Fra: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
>> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] P? vegne af
>> Plueckhahn, Lutz
>> Sendt: 3. juli 2008 09:44
>> Til: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>> Emne: RE: Importing Ventura files
>>
>>
>> Thanks for your help, Jacob!
>>
>> I thought Framemaker was able to import Ventura files. At
>> least in FM7, I can select the file type Ventura Publisher,
>> and when I select a chp file, FM automatically suggest this
>> file type. But obviously, things are more difficult than I
>> first thought.
>>
>> Also, is Ventura 10 really able to open all older Ventura
>> file formats? I doubt this, but will try. My idea was to use
>> Ventura (whatever version), save the existing files in a
>> version FM understands and then import those into FM. At
>> least, that' what some people seem to have managed.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Lutz
>>




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Can't delete rogue custom colors

[Art Campbell]

Kelly,
The RTF file could have done it, especially if you opened or imported
a Word file without cleaning it up. (Opening the RTF in Frame, then
saving as MIF and working with that text is the better way to do it.)
In earlier releases, the color info from a referenced PNG file could
also trigger that, but I haven't seen that in FM 8.
In any case, there's a FrameScript around that would clean out the
entries, but bottom line is they're probably not hurting anything but
your sense of tidiness.
(Next time, details of your version, OS, and so on would be helpful.)

Cheers,
Art

On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Kelly  wrote:
> FrameMaker 8.0p277
>
>
>
> Somehow I ended up with about 75 RGB colors added to my color pulldown. I
> think it may have happened when I imported an RTF file. Not sure. Now the
> problems is I can't get rid of them. I can't seem to delete them even one at
> a time.
>
>
>
> I go to View>Color>Definitions, choose one of the colors (i.e. they are all
> named like this: RGB 234,239,240), click Delete, click Done, and the color
> never gets deleted.
>
>
>
> I fear I'm going to have to save all of my files to MIF and run a script on
> all of them to get rid of these rogue colors. Anyone ever had this problem?
> Got a better idea?
>
>
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Words dropping out when a PDF is generated

[John Posada]

Hi, guys.

Has anyone experienced the problem of when generating a PDF from a Frame
book, of random words dropping out; not appearing in the PDF, but their
space still reserved.

>From what we can tell, it only happens on XP Pro OS and is more prone
(though not always) in text inserted by reference.


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NYMetro STC President

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TOC within a chapter

[Etzel, Gary]

I don't think this option will help in your case, Darren, but in structured 
FrameMaker, you can generate mini-TOCs very easily using the FrameSLT plug-in.


> In this case, updating each chapter individually is what we want. 
> I didn't own a copy of FrameScript until recently, so I'll create a 
> script for those clients who also have FS. The rest of them will 
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TOC within a chapter

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Darren,

Those that won't buy FrameScript will have to settle for either manual 
method: inserting cross-references to make a chapter TOC, or using Special > 
Table of Contents to generate a TOC and then import it by reference into the 
chapter. Considering the significant time savings that a script would bring 
every time it is used, the "won't buy" argument doesn't make any sense to 
me. Any serious FrameMaker shop should consider FrameScript as an essential 
plugin, especially at the bargain price of $149/seat.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


Unfortunately, some of my
clients do not have the FrameScript program and a few of them have no
plans to purchase it. Therefore, I need a plan "B."
I'm considering generating the TOC to a separate file, then importing
the TOC as a text inset.

Any thoughts on this?

RE: Can't delete rogue custom colors

[Kelly]

Platform is Windows XP
Media Center Edition, v 2002, Service Pack 2

I have no .png files. However, one of the files has a diagram in it that I
created in Powerpoint. I saved it to PDF and then imported it. That could be
the culprit.

However, most of the chapters have no graphics at all, so it seems odd that
I can't get rid of the colors? It's driving me nuts because the custom
colors I created are at the end of the list. 

I can get around it by renaming the colors I created, but I'd rather have a
clean template.

Kelly Jo Horton

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Subject: RE: Can't delete rogue custom colors

Kelly Jo Horton wrote:


> Somehow I ended up with about 75 RGB colors added to my color
pulldown.
> I think it may have happened when I imported an RTF file. Not sure. 

You also get those definitions when you import graphics. If the graphic
is still in the FM file, you won't be able to remove the definition
since the definition will be in use. 

So, no way to remove them. 

Harro de Jong
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Words dropping out when a PDF is generated

[Lief Erickson]

This is a known (and presumably now fixed) issue:

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2008/07/hotfix_for_framemaker_1.html

-Lief

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Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:52 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Words dropping out when a PDF is generated

Hi, guys.

Has anyone experienced the problem of when generating a PDF from a Frame
book, of random words dropping out; not appearing in the PDF, but their
space still reserved.

>From what we can tell, it only happens on XP Pro OS and is more prone
(though not always) in text inserted by reference.


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Marker text symbols not being displayed

[Berman, Marta]

Hi

Using FrameMaker 7.2, I cannot see the "marker" text symbols on my computer in 
any file I open. Others in my department do see the markers when they open the 
same files.

I've tried toggling View->Text Symbols and View-->Options-->Text Symbols to no 
avail.

Is there some other setting I need to adjust? Or is this a known bug?

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RE: TOC within a chapter

[Lynne A. Price]

At 04:58 AM 7/7/2008, Butler, wrote:
>I'm considering generating the TOC to a separate file, then importing
>the TOC as a text inset.
>
>Any thoughts on this?


Darren,
   Are your documents structured? As Yves pointed out, updating an 
unstructured book does not update the local tables of contents. The problem 
is that if you use the same paragraph tags in all chapters, then there's no 
way in an unstructured document to restrict a table of contents to only one 
chapter.
   In a structured book, you can use context labels to distinguish entries 
for different chapters. You can therefore put the local TOCs into your 
book, remembering not to print them, and update them when you update the 
book. Or, you could have one book with the chapters and local TOCs that you 
use only for updating, and a second one without the local TOCs that you use 
for publishing.
   The technique is described in the following message which I sent to 
Framers a couple of years ago:

>   Since there's an ongoing thread on chapter TOCs, I thought I'd share an 
> idea I had recently. In a book with numerous chapters, it is a pain to 
> remember to generate the local TOC for each chapter. A minor tweak to the 
> EDD, and a slightly strained structure, allows me to build them in a 
> single book.
>
>   In particular, I've defined a choice attribute on the chapter element 
> that serves as a code name, with arbitrary values (say, flower names), 
> making sure that I've defined more values than there will ever be 
> chapters in an actual book. The EDD then assigns context labels for each 
> element that I want in the chapter TOC based on the possible values of 
> this attribute. For example, Section, Subsection, and Subsubsection might 
> each have context labels Daisy, Tulip, Rose, and so forth. If I use a 
> generic Section element that can be nested within itself, I might give it 
> context labels like Daisy1, Tulip1, Rose1 for the first level, Daisy2, 
> Tulip2, Rose2 for the second level, etc.
>
>   If I assign the code name Daisy to a particular chapter, I set up its 
> TOC to include only Section(Daisy), Subsection(Daisy), and so on. I've 
> used code names instead of numbers because I don't want to associate the 
> selection with the order of chapters in the book. With the code names, I 
> can reorder the chapters in the book, or add new ones in the middle 
> without the identification becoming confusing. I could have used a unique 
> ID instead of a choice attribute, but I wanted the EDD to list the values 
> used by the context rules that assign the context labels.
>Not very efficient--FM scans every file in the book to build the TOC for 
>each chapter, but it works.
>
>   In practice, I actually assigned all the context labels to the Title 
> element rather than the Section element. My Title element doesn't have an 
> ID attribute, but the Section element does. Thus, I can use the context 
> labels on the Title element to set up the chapter TOCs without having 
> them clutter up the cross-reference dialog box. I use context labels on 
> Section for cross-referencing.


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TOC within a chapter

[Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC]

Thanx Yves,

In this case, updating each chapter individually is what we want. I didn't own 
a copy of FrameScript until recently, so I'll create a script for those clients 
who also have FS. The rest of them will have to import the TOC for each chapter.

Anyone else have a 3rd option?


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From: Yves Barbion [mailto:yves.barb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:44 AM
To: Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC
Cc: framers at frameusers.com
Subject: Re: TOC within a chapter

Hi Darren,

yes, you can generate standalone TOCs and import them by reference into a 
chapter, but you'll have to update and check each chapter individually each 
time you add, remove or change titles in that chapter.

Like Art said the ChapterTOC Framescript is the easiest but also the best 
solution. You can even run it on complete FM books.

Cheers

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On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC 
 wrote:


Hello fellow FrameManiacs,



If you have:

a.   Experience with MIL-STD Work Packages.

b.  Experience producing documents that have a TOC within each
individual chapter.



Please contact me off-list, I have questions about generating and
formatting the TOC.



TIA,

DJ Butler

NG Corp

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TOC within a chapter

[Lynne A. Price]

At 04:58 AM 7/7/2008, Butler, wrote:
>I'm considering generating the TOC to a separate file, then importing
>the TOC as a text inset.
>
>Any thoughts on this?


Darren,
   Are your documents structured? As Yves pointed out, updating an 
unstructured book does not update the local tables of contents. The problem 
is that if you use the same paragraph tags in all chapters, then there's no 
way in an unstructured document to restrict a table of contents to only one 
chapter.
   In a structured book, you can use context labels to distinguish entries 
for different chapters. You can therefore put the local TOCs into your 
book, remembering not to print them, and update them when you update the 
book. Or, you could have one book with the chapters and local TOCs that you 
use only for updating, and a second one without the local TOCs that you use 
for publishing.
   The technique is described in the following message which I sent to 
Framers a couple of years ago:

>   Since there's an ongoing thread on chapter TOCs, I thought I'd share an 
> idea I had recently. In a book with numerous chapters, it is a pain to 
> remember to generate the local TOC for each chapter. A minor tweak to the 
> EDD, and a slightly strained structure, allows me to build them in a 
> single book.
>
>   In particular, I've defined a choice attribute on the chapter element 
> that serves as a code name, with arbitrary values (say, flower names), 
> making sure that I've defined more values than there will ever be 
> chapters in an actual book. The EDD then assigns context labels for each 
> element that I want in the chapter TOC based on the possible values of 
> this attribute. For example, Section, Subsection, and Subsubsection might 
> each have context labels Daisy, Tulip, Rose, and so forth. If I use a 
> generic Section element that can be nested within itself, I might give it 
> context labels like Daisy1, Tulip1, Rose1 for the first level, Daisy2, 
> Tulip2, Rose2 for the second level, etc.
>
>   If I assign the code name Daisy to a particular chapter, I set up its 
> TOC to include only Section(Daisy), Subsection(Daisy), and so on. I've 
> used code names instead of numbers because I don't want to associate the 
> selection with the order of chapters in the book. With the code names, I 
> can reorder the chapters in the book, or add new ones in the middle 
> without the identification becoming confusing. I could have used a unique 
> ID instead of a choice attribute, but I wanted the EDD to list the values 
> used by the context rules that assign the context labels.
>Not very efficient--FM scans every file in the book to build the TOC for 
>each chapter, but it works.
>
>   In practice, I actually assigned all the context labels to the Title 
> element rather than the Section element. My Title element doesn't have an 
> ID attribute, but the Section element does. Thus, I can use the context 
> labels on the Title element to set up the chapter TOCs without having 
> them clutter up the cross-reference dialog box. I use context labels on 
> Section for cross-referencing.


 --Lynne





Lynne A. Price
Text Structure Consulting, Inc.
Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, 
and training
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Deleting fntcache.dat no longer necessary: Windows Hotfix now available

[Yves Barbion]

Hi Framers

Good news for those of you who have experienced the following problems:

   - Save as PDF leading to a crash.
   - Text dropping out of PDF created from FrameMaker.

The only workaround for this nasty problem was to delete fntcache.dat and
restart Windows. This is no longer necessary (fingers crossed), because a
Windows Hotfix is now available:

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2008/07/hotfix_for_framemaker_1.html

Hurray, hurray!



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Instructor
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Can't delete rogue custom colors

[Combs, Richard]

Kelly wrote: 

> Somehow I ended up with about 75 RGB colors added to my color
pulldown. I
> think it may have happened when I imported an RTF file. Not sure. Now
the
> problems is I can't get rid of them. I can't seem to delete them even
one
> at
> a time.
> 
> 
> 
> I go to View>Color>Definitions, choose one of the colors (i.e. they
are all
> named like this: RGB 234,239,240), click Delete, click Done, and the
color
> never gets deleted.

Colors with names like that come from PNG graphics that are set to
"indexed colors" or "256 colors." Such graphics contain a defined
palette of (up to) 256 colors defined by their RGB values, and FM adds
those to its list of defined colors. 

They're easy to get rid of once you replace the offending graphics. To
do that, simply convert them to 24-bit color ("true color"). True color
PNG files aren't that much bigger than the indexed color ones. 

After all the indexed color files are gone, save the FM docs as MIF,
then open the MIF files, check the color definitions (the RGB colors
should be gone), and resave as FM. 

HTH!
Richard


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Polycom, Inc.
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Re: Importing Ventura files

[Art Campbell]

There's at least one service bureau that's still advertising VP > FM
services...
Haven't used them, but... http://www.softline.com/sii/convsvcs/convsvcs.html

Art

On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 11:00 AM, Jacob Schäffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The old Ventura versions (up to 4.2) had language or region specific 
> import/export filters for referenced files, especially .TXT files. Upgrading 
> may fail if the filter code mentioned in the original CHP file is unknown to 
> the newer version of Ventura or the Framemaker import filter.
>
> I'd be surprised if Framemaker can import 5.0 or newer Ventura docs. Hence, 
> unless your documents are very old you might be better off keeping them in 
> Ventura 4.2. The 4.2 version CAN still run on Windows 2000 or Windows XP 
> though the installer may fail.
>
> The easiest way to have this old Ventura run again is to copy an installed 
> version from an old Windows 95/98 computer directly into the C:\VENTURA 
> folder, and then create a shortcut to vpwin.exe. If you can't keep all 
> references to an existing WID file (must NOT be ENVIRON.WID) some text flow 
> will occur -- in which case you might want to upgrade anyway :-)
>
> - Jacob
>
>
>> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
>> Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] På vegne af
>> Plueckhahn, Lutz
>> Sendt: 3. juli 2008 09:44
>> Til: framers@lists.frameusers.com
>> Emne: RE: Importing Ventura files
>>
>>
>> Thanks for your help, Jacob!
>>
>> I thought Framemaker was able to import Ventura files. At
>> least in FM7, I can select the file type Ventura Publisher,
>> and when I select a chp file, FM automatically suggest this
>> file type. But obviously, things are more difficult than I
>> first thought.
>>
>> Also, is Ventura 10 really able to open all older Ventura
>> file formats? I doubt this, but will try. My idea was to use
>> Ventura (whatever version), save the existing files in a
>> version FM understands and then import those into FM. At
>> least, that' what some people seem to have managed.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Lutz
>>




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Deleting fntcache.dat no longer necessary: Windows Hotfix now available

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Finally! -- if it works, that is (but no hurray here -- how many years
has this been taking?)

However, to you Yves, tanks for the information. You get the hurray from me. :-)

Bodvar

On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 6:49 AM, Yves Barbion  wrote:
> Hi Framers
>
> Good news for those of you who have experienced the following problems:
>
>   - Save as PDF leading to a crash.
>   - Text dropping out of PDF created from FrameMaker.
>
> The only workaround for this nasty problem was to delete fntcache.dat and
> restart Windows. This is no longer necessary (fingers crossed), because a
> Windows Hotfix is now available:
>
> http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2008/07/hotfix_for_framemaker_1.html
>
> Hurray, hurray!
>
>
>
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TOC within a chapter

[Art Campbell]

Rick's solution is the easiest, and would be the cheapest way to
maintain these files unless you're not charging your clients.
Another standard option is to use cross-references in each chapter to
each heading you want to list.
A third way to do this is to generate a FM TOC for each chapter file
and then import that file into the parent by reference.

Art

On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584
CBSS/GBHAC  wrote:
> Many thanx to Rick Quatro, FrameScript Apostle ('love your book) and all
> who are suggesting using a FrameScript. Unfortunately, some of my
> clients do not have the FrameScript program and a few of them have no
> plans to purchase it. Therefore, I need a plan "B."
> I'm considering generating the TOC to a separate file, then importing
> the TOC as a text inset.
>
> Any thoughts on this?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Butler,Darren
> J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC
> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 2:01 PM
> To: framers at frameusers.com
> Subject: TOC within a chapter
>
> Hello fellow FrameManiacs,
>
>
>
> If you have:
>
> a.   Experience with MIL-STD Work Packages.
>
> b.  Experience producing documents that have a TOC within each
> individual chapter.
>
>
>
> Please contact me off-list, I have questions about generating and
> formatting the TOC.
>
>
>
> TIA,
>
> DJ Butler
>
> NG Corp
>
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RE: Importing Ventura files

[Jacob Schäffer]

The old Ventura versions (up to 4.2) had language or region specific 
import/export filters for referenced files, especially .TXT files. Upgrading 
may fail if the filter code mentioned in the original CHP file is unknown to 
the newer version of Ventura or the Framemaker import filter.

I'd be surprised if Framemaker can import 5.0 or newer Ventura docs. Hence, 
unless your documents are very old you might be better off keeping them in 
Ventura 4.2. The 4.2 version CAN still run on Windows 2000 or Windows XP though 
the installer may fail.

The easiest way to have this old Ventura run again is to copy an installed 
version from an old Windows 95/98 computer directly into the C:\VENTURA folder, 
and then create a shortcut to vpwin.exe. If you can't keep all references to an 
existing WID file (must NOT be ENVIRON.WID) some text flow will occur -- in 
which case you might want to upgrade anyway :-)

- Jacob 


> -Oprindelig meddelelse-
> Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] På vegne af 
> Plueckhahn, Lutz
> Sendt: 3. juli 2008 09:44
> Til: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Emne: RE: Importing Ventura files
> 
> 
> Thanks for your help, Jacob! 
> 
> I thought Framemaker was able to import Ventura files. At 
> least in FM7, I can select the file type Ventura Publisher, 
> and when I select a chp file, FM automatically suggest this 
> file type. But obviously, things are more difficult than I 
> first thought.
> 
> Also, is Ventura 10 really able to open all older Ventura 
> file formats? I doubt this, but will try. My idea was to use 
> Ventura (whatever version), save the existing files in a 
> version FM understands and then import those into FM. At 
> least, that' what some people seem to have managed.
> 
> Best regards,
> Lutz
> 
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Can't delete rogue custom colors

[Kelly]

Platform is Windows XP
Media Center Edition, v 2002, Service Pack 2

I have no .png files. However, one of the files has a diagram in it that I
created in Powerpoint. I saved it to PDF and then imported it. That could be
the culprit.

However, most of the chapters have no graphics at all, so it seems odd that
I can't get rid of the colors? It's driving me nuts because the custom
colors I created are at the end of the list. 

I can get around it by renaming the colors I created, but I'd rather have a
clean template.

Kelly Jo Horton

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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Harro de Jong
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 7:28 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Can't delete rogue custom colors

Kelly Jo Horton wrote:


> Somehow I ended up with about 75 RGB colors added to my color
pulldown.
> I think it may have happened when I imported an RTF file. Not sure. 

You also get those definitions when you import graphics. If the graphic
is still in the FM file, you won't be able to remove the definition
since the definition will be in use. 

So, no way to remove them. 

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TOC within a chapter

[Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC]

Many thanx to Rick Quatro, FrameScript Apostle ('love your book) and all
who are suggesting using a FrameScript. Unfortunately, some of my
clients do not have the FrameScript program and a few of them have no
plans to purchase it. Therefore, I need a plan "B."
I'm considering generating the TOC to a separate file, then importing
the TOC as a text inset. 

Any thoughts on this?

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Butler,Darren
J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 2:01 PM
To: framers at frameusers.com
Subject: TOC within a chapter

Hello fellow FrameManiacs,



If you have:

a.   Experience with MIL-STD Work Packages.

b.  Experience producing documents that have a TOC within each
individual chapter.



Please contact me off-list, I have questions about generating and
formatting the TOC.



TIA,

DJ Butler

NG Corp

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RE: Can't delete rogue custom colors

[Combs, Richard]

Kelly wrote: 
 
> Somehow I ended up with about 75 RGB colors added to my color
pulldown. I
> think it may have happened when I imported an RTF file. Not sure. Now
the
> problems is I can't get rid of them. I can't seem to delete them even
one
> at
> a time.
> 
> 
> 
> I go to View>Color>Definitions, choose one of the colors (i.e. they
are all
> named like this: RGB 234,239,240), click Delete, click Done, and the
color
> never gets deleted.

Colors with names like that come from PNG graphics that are set to
"indexed colors" or "256 colors." Such graphics contain a defined
palette of (up to) 256 colors defined by their RGB values, and FM adds
those to its list of defined colors. 

They're easy to get rid of once you replace the offending graphics. To
do that, simply convert them to 24-bit color ("true color"). True color
PNG files aren't that much bigger than the indexed color ones. 

After all the indexed color files are gone, save the FM docs as MIF,
then open the MIF files, check the color definitions (the RGB colors
should be gone), and resave as FM. 

HTH!
Richard


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Re: Can't delete rogue custom colors

[Art Campbell]

Kelly,
The RTF file could have done it, especially if you opened or imported
a Word file without cleaning it up. (Opening the RTF in Frame, then
saving as MIF and working with that text is the better way to do it.)
In earlier releases, the color info from a referenced PNG file could
also trigger that, but I haven't seen that in FM 8.
In any case, there's a FrameScript around that would clean out the
entries, but bottom line is they're probably not hurting anything but
your sense of tidiness.
(Next time, details of your version, OS, and so on would be helpful.)

Cheers,
Art

On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> FrameMaker 8.0p277
>
>
>
> Somehow I ended up with about 75 RGB colors added to my color pulldown. I
> think it may have happened when I imported an RTF file. Not sure. Now the
> problems is I can't get rid of them. I can't seem to delete them even one at
> a time.
>
>
>
> I go to View>Color>Definitions, choose one of the colors (i.e. they are all
> named like this: RGB 234,239,240), click Delete, click Done, and the color
> never gets deleted.
>
>
>
> I fear I'm going to have to save all of my files to MIF and run a script on
> all of them to get rid of these rogue colors. Anyone ever had this problem?
> Got a better idea?
>
>
>
> Kelly Jo Horton
>
>   LinkedIn Profile
>
>
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RE: Can't delete rogue custom colors

[Harro de Jong]

Kelly Jo Horton wrote:


> Somehow I ended up with about 75 RGB colors added to my color
pulldown.
> I think it may have happened when I imported an RTF file. Not sure. 

You also get those definitions when you import graphics. If the graphic
is still in the FM file, you won't be able to remove the definition
since the definition will be in use. 

So, no way to remove them. 

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Can't delete rogue custom colors

[Kelly]

FrameMaker 8.0p277

 

Somehow I ended up with about 75 RGB colors added to my color pulldown. I
think it may have happened when I imported an RTF file. Not sure. Now the
problems is I can't get rid of them. I can't seem to delete them even one at
a time.

 

I go to View>Color>Definitions, choose one of the colors (i.e. they are all
named like this: RGB 234,239,240), click Delete, click Done, and the color
never gets deleted.

 

I fear I'm going to have to save all of my files to MIF and run a script on
all of them to get rid of these rogue colors. Anyone ever had this problem?
Got a better idea?

 

Kelly Jo Horton

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Re: weird symbols in front of my Chapter Titles

[rinch]

Deirdre

Try saving your document to .mif then back to .fm and see if this removes 
the little white box

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RE: Importing Ventura files

[Plueckhahn, Lutz]

Thanks for your help, Jacob! 

I thought Framemaker was able to import Ventura files. At least in FM7, I can 
select the
file type Ventura Publisher, and when I select a chp file, FM automatically 
suggest this
file type. But obviously, things are more difficult than I first thought.

Also, is Ventura 10 really able to open all older Ventura file formats? I doubt 
this, but
will try. My idea was to use Ventura (whatever version), save the existing 
files in a
version FM understands and then import those into FM. At least, that' what some 
people
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Best regards,
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FM won't let me type "Shift-a" char

[Orly Zimmerman]

HI All, 

Does anyone have any idea why my computer refuses to type a Capital A
(i.e. when I press Shift-A), nothing shows on the screen. 

This only happens when typing in FM. All other applications are fine. 

Thanks, 

Orly

 

Orly Zimmerman

Technical Writer

CPBU Documentation

Marvell DSPC - Petach Tikva

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RE: Words dropping out when a PDF is generated

[Lief Erickson]

This is a known (and presumably now fixed) issue:

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2008/07/hotfix_for_framemaker_1.html

-Lief

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Subject: Words dropping out when a PDF is generated

Hi, guys.

Has anyone experienced the problem of when generating a PDF from a Frame
book, of random words dropping out; not appearing in the PDF, but their
space still reserved.

>From what we can tell, it only happens on XP Pro OS and is more prone
(though not always) in text inserted by reference.


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NYMetro STC President

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Re: TOC within a chapter

[Yves Barbion]

Rick has a good point here, and this brings us to the discussion about the
hidden costs of (doing things manually to create and update) technical
documentation and return on investment (ROI).

You can do the math: 1 tech writer creating, updating and checking all the
local TOCs once in 1 book (of 10 chapters on average) =  minutes x $
per minute (the tech writer's rate or wage cost). Multiply this by the
number of books, or by the number of updates per book. You'll have ROI after
less than 10 updates (or books) already.


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On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 3:16 PM, Rick Quatro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Hi Darren,
>
> Those that won't buy FrameScript will have to settle for either manual
> method: inserting cross-references to make a chapter TOC, or using Special
> >
> Table of Contents to generate a TOC and then import it by reference into
> the
> chapter. Considering the significant time savings that a script would bring
> every time it is used, the "won't buy" argument doesn't make any sense to
> me. Any serious FrameMaker shop should consider FrameScript as an essential
> plugin, especially at the bargain price of $149/seat.
>
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing Inc
> 585-659-8267
> www.frameexpert.com
>
>
> Unfortunately, some of my
> clients do not have the FrameScript program and a few of them have no
> plans to purchase it. Therefore, I need a plan "B."
> I'm considering generating the TOC to a separate file, then importing
> the TOC as a text inset.
>
> Any thoughts on this?
>
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Re: Words dropping out when a PDF is generated

[Yves Barbion]

Hi John,

I just posted this topic this morning:




Hi Framers

Good news for those of you who have experienced the following problems:

   - Save as PDF leading to a crash.
   - Text dropping out of PDF created from FrameMaker.

The only workaround for this nasty problem was to delete fntcache.dat and
restart Windows. This is no longer necessary (fingers crossed), because a
Windows Hotfix is now available:

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2008/07/hotfix_for_framemaker_1.html

Hurray, hurray!



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Instructor
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On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 3:52 PM, John Posada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi, guys.
>
> Has anyone experienced the problem of when generating a PDF from a Frame
> book, of random words dropping out; not appearing in the PDF, but their
> space still reserved.
>
> >From what we can tell, it only happens on XP Pro OS and is more prone
> (though not always) in text inserted by reference.
>
>
> --
> John Posada
> Senior Technical Writer
> NYMetro STC President
>
> 'Half this game is ninety percent mental.'
> -- Danny Ozark, Philadelphia Phillies manager
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Words dropping out when a PDF is generated

[John Posada]

Hi, guys.

Has anyone experienced the problem of when generating a PDF from a Frame
book, of random words dropping out; not appearing in the PDF, but their
space still reserved.

>From what we can tell, it only happens on XP Pro OS and is more prone
(though not always) in text inserted by reference.


-- 
John Posada
Senior Technical Writer
NYMetro STC President

'Half this game is ninety percent mental.'
 -- Danny Ozark, Philadelphia Phillies manager
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RE: TOC within a chapter

[Etzel, Gary]

I don't think this option will help in your case, Darren, but in structured 
FrameMaker, you can generate mini-TOCs very easily using the FrameSLT plug-in.


> In this case, updating each chapter individually is what we want. 
> I didn't own a copy of FrameScript until recently, so I'll create a 
> script for those clients who also have FS. The rest of them will 
> have to import the TOC for each chapter.
>
> Anyone else have a 3rd option?



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RE: TOC within a chapter

[Sharon Burton]

A fast story:

I had a client with a big manual to which we were adding stuff. Each chapter
had its own TOC and the entire book had an index, TOC, LOF and LOT.
Inserting cross references wasn't working because we were moving things and
losing things. To get the page numbers for the entire manual correct, I had
to:

1. Generate and update the entire book.
2. Manually generate each chapter TOC to get the page numbers and headings
correct in the chapter TOC. This means open each chapter, generate the TOC,
save and close.
3. Generate and update the entire book again to make sure the imported TOC
files were all updated properly in each file.
4. Spot check to make sure step 3 didn't add pages I didn't expect and thus
made the chapter level TOC out of date.
5. Possibly do steps 1 - 4 a second time.

This process could take over an hour if I was trapped in steps 4 and 5.

I asked Rick if he could write me a script to automate this process because
it was tedious, at best. He quoted me a very fair rate that was about half
what I was making on the total project.

He wrote the script and gave it to me, under the theory that he could sell
it to others.

The moral of the story? Besides the fact that Rick is a great guy, the
script saved me about 20 hours on the project. 20 hours x hourly rate... For
your client, it would probably pay for Framescript and the script the first
manual it's used for.


sharon

Sharon Burton
951-369-8590


-Original Message-
To: Butler,Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: TOC within a chapter

Hi Darren,

Those that won't buy FrameScript will have to settle for either manual
method: inserting cross-references to make a chapter TOC, or using Special >
Table of Contents to generate a TOC and then import it by reference into the
chapter. Considering the significant time savings that a script would bring
every time it is used, the "won't buy" argument doesn't make any sense to
me. Any serious FrameMaker shop should consider FrameScript as an essential
plugin, especially at the bargain price of $149/seat.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


Unfortunately, some of my
clients do not have the FrameScript program and a few of them have no
plans to purchase it. Therefore, I need a plan "B."
I'm considering generating the TOC to a separate file, then importing
the TOC as a text inset.

Any thoughts on this?

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TOC within a chapter

[Sharon Burton]

A fast story:

I had a client with a big manual to which we were adding stuff. Each chapter
had its own TOC and the entire book had an index, TOC, LOF and LOT.
Inserting cross references wasn't working because we were moving things and
losing things. To get the page numbers for the entire manual correct, I had
to:

1. Generate and update the entire book.
2. Manually generate each chapter TOC to get the page numbers and headings
correct in the chapter TOC. This means open each chapter, generate the TOC,
save and close.
3. Generate and update the entire book again to make sure the imported TOC
files were all updated properly in each file.
4. Spot check to make sure step 3 didn't add pages I didn't expect and thus
made the chapter level TOC out of date.
5. Possibly do steps 1 - 4 a second time.

This process could take over an hour if I was trapped in steps 4 and 5.

I asked Rick if he could write me a script to automate this process because
it was tedious, at best. He quoted me a very fair rate that was about half
what I was making on the total project.

He wrote the script and gave it to me, under the theory that he could sell
it to others.

The moral of the story? Besides the fact that Rick is a great guy, the
script saved me about 20 hours on the project. 20 hours x hourly rate... For
your client, it would probably pay for Framescript and the script the first
manual it's used for.


sharon

Sharon Burton
951-369-8590


-Original Message-
To: Butler,Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC; framers at frameusers.com
Subject: Re: TOC within a chapter

Hi Darren,

Those that won't buy FrameScript will have to settle for either manual
method: inserting cross-references to make a chapter TOC, or using Special >
Table of Contents to generate a TOC and then import it by reference into the
chapter. Considering the significant time savings that a script would bring
every time it is used, the "won't buy" argument doesn't make any sense to
me. Any serious FrameMaker shop should consider FrameScript as an essential
plugin, especially at the bargain price of $149/seat.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


Unfortunately, some of my
clients do not have the FrameScript program and a few of them have no
plans to purchase it. Therefore, I need a plan "B."
I'm considering generating the TOC to a separate file, then importing
the TOC as a text inset.

Any thoughts on this?

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Re: TOC within a chapter

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Darren,

Those that won't buy FrameScript will have to settle for either manual 
method: inserting cross-references to make a chapter TOC, or using Special > 
Table of Contents to generate a TOC and then import it by reference into the 
chapter. Considering the significant time savings that a script would bring 
every time it is used, the "won't buy" argument doesn't make any sense to 
me. Any serious FrameMaker shop should consider FrameScript as an essential 
plugin, especially at the bargain price of $149/seat.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


Unfortunately, some of my
clients do not have the FrameScript program and a few of them have no
plans to purchase it. Therefore, I need a plan "B."
I'm considering generating the TOC to a separate file, then importing
the TOC as a text inset.

Any thoughts on this?

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RE: TOC within a chapter

[Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC]

Thanx Yves,

In this case, updating each chapter individually is what we want. I didn't own 
a copy of FrameScript until recently, so I'll create a script for those clients 
who also have FS. The rest of them will have to import the TOC for each chapter.

Anyone else have a 3rd option?


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Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:44 AM
To: Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: TOC within a chapter

Hi Darren,

yes, you can generate standalone TOCs and import them by reference into a 
chapter, but you'll have to update and check each chapter individually each 
time you add, remove or change titles in that chapter.

Like Art said the ChapterTOC Framescript is the easiest but also the best 
solution. You can even run it on complete FM books.

Cheers

-- 
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www.scripto.nu • skype: yves.barbion • T: +32 494 12 01 89


On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hello fellow FrameManiacs,



If you have:

a.   Experience with MIL-STD Work Packages.

b.  Experience producing documents that have a TOC within each
individual chapter.



Please contact me off-list, I have questions about generating and
formatting the TOC.



TIA,

DJ Butler

NG Corp

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Re: TOC within a chapter

[Yves Barbion]

Hi Darren,

yes, you can generate standalone TOCs and import them by reference into a
chapter, but you'll have to update and check each chapter individually each
time you add, remove or change titles in that chapter.

Like Art said the ChapterTOC Framescript is the easiest but also the best
solution. You can even run it on complete FM books.

Cheers

-- 
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Instructor
www.scripto.nu • skype: yves.barbion • T: +32 494 12 01 89

On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584
CBSS/GBHAC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello fellow FrameManiacs,
>
>
>
> If you have:
>
> a.   Experience with MIL-STD Work Packages.
>
> b.  Experience producing documents that have a TOC within each
> individual chapter.
>
>
>
> Please contact me off-list, I have questions about generating and
> formatting the TOC.
>
>
>
> TIA,
>
> DJ Butler
>
> NG Corp
>
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Re: TOC within a chapter

[Art Campbell]

Rick's solution is the easiest, and would be the cheapest way to
maintain these files unless you're not charging your clients.
Another standard option is to use cross-references in each chapter to
each heading you want to list.
A third way to do this is to generate a FM TOC for each chapter file
and then import that file into the parent by reference.

Art

On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584
CBSS/GBHAC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Many thanx to Rick Quatro, FrameScript Apostle ('love your book) and all
> who are suggesting using a FrameScript. Unfortunately, some of my
> clients do not have the FrameScript program and a few of them have no
> plans to purchase it. Therefore, I need a plan "B."
> I'm considering generating the TOC to a separate file, then importing
> the TOC as a text inset.
>
> Any thoughts on this?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butler,Darren
> J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC
> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 2:01 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: TOC within a chapter
>
> Hello fellow FrameManiacs,
>
>
>
> If you have:
>
> a.   Experience with MIL-STD Work Packages.
>
> b.  Experience producing documents that have a TOC within each
> individual chapter.
>
>
>
> Please contact me off-list, I have questions about generating and
> formatting the TOC.
>
>
>
> TIA,
>
> DJ Butler
>
> NG Corp
>
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RE: TOC within a chapter

[Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC]

Many thanx to Rick Quatro, FrameScript Apostle ('love your book) and all
who are suggesting using a FrameScript. Unfortunately, some of my
clients do not have the FrameScript program and a few of them have no
plans to purchase it. Therefore, I need a plan "B."
I'm considering generating the TOC to a separate file, then importing
the TOC as a text inset. 

Any thoughts on this?

-Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butler,Darren
J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 2:01 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: TOC within a chapter

Hello fellow FrameManiacs,

 

If you have:

a.   Experience with MIL-STD Work Packages.

b.  Experience producing documents that have a TOC within each
individual chapter.

 

Please contact me off-list, I have questions about generating and
formatting the TOC.

 

TIA,

DJ Butler

NG Corp

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Marker text symbols not being displayed

[Berman, Marta]

Hi

Using FrameMaker 7.2, I cannot see the "marker" text symbols on my computer in 
any file I open. Others in my department do see the markers when they open the 
same files.

I've tried toggling View->Text Symbols and View-->Options-->Text Symbols to no 
avail.

Is there some other setting I need to adjust? Or is this a known bug?

Thanks
Marta


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Re: Deleting fntcache.dat no longer necessary: Windows Hotfix now available

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Finally! -- if it works, that is (but no hurray here -- how many years
has this been taking?)

However, to you Yves, tanks for the information. You get the hurray from me. :-)

Bodvar

On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 6:49 AM, Yves Barbion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Framers
>
> Good news for those of you who have experienced the following problems:
>
>   - Save as PDF leading to a crash.
>   - Text dropping out of PDF created from FrameMaker.
>
> The only workaround for this nasty problem was to delete fntcache.dat and
> restart Windows. This is no longer necessary (fingers crossed), because a
> Windows Hotfix is now available:
>
> http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2008/07/hotfix_for_framemaker_1.html
>
> Hurray, hurray!
>
>
>
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> Instructor
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