RE: Frame 7 and 8 to Word 2003

[O'Laoghaire Micheal]

Use 'Save As RTF' from FrameMaker; It does a pretty good job.
Then open the RTF doc from Word and save as binary *.doc file.

Two versions - Save As RTF 1.3 and Save As RTF 1.6.
Generally, Save As RTF 1.6 much faster and better.
However, at times it crashes and then it is better to use Save As RTF
1.3.

Regards,
Micheal O'Laoghaire
Comverse Inc.
Cambridge, MA.


-Original Message-
From: Les Winberg
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 3:27 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Frame 7 and 8 to Word 2003

Hello Framers

 

Don't ask why I ask this - it is a question from an engineer boss.

 

Is there an easy way to convert Frame 7 or 8 to Word 2003?

 

The thought scares me but I must ask.

 

Thanks 

 

Les Winberg

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Re: Tag-compare tool?

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Nancy:

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Nancy Allison ma...@verizon.net wrote:
 While I'm drawing on your endless font of wisdom, O Frame Gurus, I have
 another question: I see a document-compare function in Framemaker, but
 my web search has not turned up a tag-compare function within (or
 between) documents.

 My document has an Anchor paragraph tag and an AnchorTable paragraph
 tag. In my zeal to reduce the number of tags, I'd like to know the
 difference between these tags.

 I know how to print out an exhaustive list of tags (I think it's from
 that lovely CleanImport plugin), so I can go cross-eyed comparing the
 tag properties in print. BUT . . . is there a way within Frame, or with
 a plugin, to compare two tags using the astonishing powers of the
 computer, which doesn't even go crosseyed with effort?

* Select the text of each file's list of tags and convert it to a
table. Sort the tables.

OR

* Tag the text of each file's list of tags with a unique tag and
generate an alphabetic paragraph list.

HTH

Regards,

Peter
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Your callout philosophy

[Nancy Allison]

I am working on a document that currently has both paragraph tags for 
callouts, and character tags.

I can create callouts either by:

--Creating a text box in the figure, entering text, and formatting it 
with a callout paragraph tag. I prefer this. Makes it easy to widen or 
narrow the callout text.

--Using the Text tool to enter text, and formatting it with a character 
tag. If the text needs to be expanded or edited, all repositioning of 
text must be done manually. A pain.

However, I could be missing something. How do you create your callouts, 
and why?

Thanks!

--Nancy
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Re: Tag-compare tool?

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Nancy:

I don't know if there's a utility that compares format properties
(BTW, don't forget x-ref formats and variable formats.) However, I
believe that the properties are listed in MIF in the same order; i.e.,
first comes, say, default font, then the font properties - weight,
variation, point size, etc. So, you might get somewhere by saving
empty documents as MIF, then editing the MIF in a text editor, cutting
out all the non-format stuff and saving as text. Then open the text
files and compare the files.

You might even cut it down further and make the comparison utility
less likely to be confused, by creating separate files for each format
catalog - paragraph, character, table, cross-reference, variable, etc,
so you're only comparing likes with likes.

HTH

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Nancy Allison ma...@verizon.net wrote:
 Peter, I can easily generate a list of tags, and sort it any which way. That
 is not the issue.
 My question is, how do I see if there are any similar or dissimilar settings
 between two tags?
 In other words, all settings for Anchor and AnchorTable may be identical,
 except that the tabs for AnchorTable have been set with painstaking
 accuracy, while the tabs for Anchor are not useful.
 Let's say that I don't know that, and let's say that there are a couple of
 other subtle differences between the two tags that I am not aware of. (Why
 am I not aware? Because I've inherited a document previously worked on by
 two tech writers, the first of whom knew a lot more about Frame than the
 second. The second created sloppy tags, imported tags, didn't sort out
 discrepancies, and so on and so forth. Now I'm trying to clean it up a bit.
 There aren't enough problems to justify creating a new template from
 scratch, however.)
 The only way I know to identify the differences between two paragraph or
 character tags is to:
 1. Generate a list of all tags and their characteristics
 2. Find the listings for Anchor and AnchorTable (in this example)
 3. Place them side-by-side on my screen or desk
 4. Scan the many, many properties that are listed for those tags
 5. Visually identify the discrepancies among settings
 I suppose I could also put the tags through every conceivable possible usage
 in a template and see how they behave, and figure out which properties are
 more desirable that way, but I don't have the time or patience.
 If you have any thoughts about how to automate the comparison of tag
 properties, I will be glad to hear them.
 --Nancy
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Re: Tab issue with FrameMaker 8

[blamborn]

Peter,

Thanks for the info.  I went back to double check what was going on.  The tabs 
were not there. I manually inserted them. The tabs/leaders work for Paragraph 
Designs (auto generated by Frame) Heading2TOC through Heading 5TOC.  They do 
not work for Heading1TOC (the top level).  

The tab mark is there, and I checked to make sure that all of the definitions 
in the Paragraph Designer were the same for all (tab position and leader type).

I get nice leaders and page # placement for all except the top level.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Brian
 -- Original message --
From: Peter Gold pe...@knowhowpro.com
 Hi, Brian:
 
 Turn on View  Text Symbols to verify that there's a tab character to
 the left of the page numbers on the TOC body page, then:
 
 * If there is NO tab character on the TOC body page, on the reference
 page named TOC, if there is no tab character (looks like a greater
 than symbol) to the left of the $pagenum building blocks for each
 line that represents an entry level, you need.to manually type a tab
 character at that spot. Then regenerate the TOC - FM creates the tab
 on the body page before the page number by picking up the one you
 type on the reference page.
 
 * If there IS a tab character to the left of the page number on the
 TOC body page, then the cause usually comes from the TOC reference
 page's text frame width being wider than the body page's text-frame
 width. If you've position the right-aligned tab stop at the right edge
 of the reference-page's text frame (the wider one), the tab character
 in the text frame on the TOC body page can't reach the tab stop.
 
 HTH
 
 Regards,
 
 Peter Gold
 KnowHow ProServices
 
 On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:52 AM,  blamb...@comcast.net wrote:
  I am working with FrameMaker 8 on a Windows XP platform. I have my product 
 interface in preferences set to FrameMaker.
 
  I have generated a TOC and am trying to set tabs to place the page number 
  out 
 near the right edge of the page.  I have defined the tab stops, but when I 
 hit 
 the tab key the insertion point does not move.
 
  I have followed the steps laid out in the Help file to the letter and am 
  not 
 having success.
 
  Can anyone point me in the right direction?
 
  Thanks,
 
  Brian

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Re: OT: correct symbol to use

[Alan Litchfield]

Thanks,

I have gone with 1(a)...(c) for now, but you are right, 1(a) to  
1(c) is more correct.

I do like that idea though Stuart, how about 1(a...c)?

Cheers
Alan

On 18/12/2008, at 5:24 AM, Stuart Rogers wrote:

 Alan Litchfield wrote:
 Quick off-topic question,
 If you have in a line of text something like to any of 1 (a)-(c),  
 is this
 more correctly set as to any of 1 (a)...(c)?
 Cheers
 Alan

 I'd second Fei Min's suggestion of to any of 1(a) to 1(c), but  
 otherwise suggest:
 to any of 1 (a-c)
 where - is an en-dash.

 -- 
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 Technical Communicator
 Phoenix Geophysics Limited
 Toronto, ON, Canada
 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

 srogers phoenix-geophysics com

 A man's screech should exceed his rasp, or what's a violin for?

 --another Rogers Original

--
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AlphaByte
PO Box 1941, Auckland, NZ. 1140
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Re: PDF to PDF Links on Linux

[Alan Litchfield]

What pdf viewer are you using on Linux?

Does it work on Unix?

Alan

On 17/12/2008, at 9:46 AM, jdela...@comcast.net wrote:



 Hello,



 I just joined, have only used FM for 9 months, and have been around  
 and around this issue with Adobe.  We want to distribute our PDFs to  
 Linux, Windows, and Unix.  They work as shown below on Windows 32- 
 bit and -64 bit versions of XP and Vista Business.



 I am using gotolink [folder name]/myotherfile.fm:[linkname], but  
 gotolink [folder name]/myotherfile.pdf:[linkname] works more often  
 than the fm extension does.  Here is my test script:


 link one = gotolink ./genh_toc.fm:one (OK on Windows, FAIL on Linux)
 link two = gotolink genh_toc.fm:one (OK on Windows, FAIL on Linux)
 link three = gotolink ./genh_toc.pdf:one (OK on Windows, FAIL on  
 Linux)
 link four = gotolink genh_toc.pdf:one (OK on Windows, PASS on Linux)
 link five = openlink genh_toc.pdf:firstpage (OK on Windows, PASS on  
 Linux)
 link six = openlink genh_toc.pdf:1 (OK on Windows, FAIL on Linux)
 link seven = openlink ./genh_toc.pdf:firstpage (OK on Windows, FAIL  
 on Linux)
 link eight = openlink genh_toc.fm:1 (OK on Windows, FAIL on Linux)


 I am not using a relative path, because the PDFs are all in the same  
 directory.  I have tried the relative path on Linux with .\ but it  
 made no difference on our test machine.


 And of course I have a deadline that's approaching fast.



 Help?

--
Alan Litchfield MBus(Hons), MNZCS
AlphaByte
PO Box 1941, Auckland, NZ. 1140
http://www.alphabyte.co.nz




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Help with hyperlinks and hypertext markers

[Adriana Harper]

Hello,

 

I want to do two things:

 

1-   link words in my FM document to my TOC in the same FM document

2-   link external files to my FM document (i.e. have a word that
says Conversion Table and when you click on it, it opens an excel
spreadsheet or PDF of conversion table)

 

I am trying to insert hypertext markers to accomplish this. However, I
am getting the error: specify named destination when I try to link to
an external PDF (I am entering Open Document as my hypertext command,
and  openlink Import demographic Codes.pdf  as the text in the syntax
box) - it also tells me that the document is not a FM document which I
am well aware of.  Even if I change the filename to a FM document, it
then tells me the document does not exist (which it does).

 

I do not know how to begin accomplishing my #1 goal (of linking within
my document to the TOC, for example).

 

Thank you.

 

 
ADRIANA HARPER
Technical Writer
Phone: 403.515.3910
Fax: 403.515.3919
Email: adriana.har...@solium.com mailto:adriana.har...@solium.com  

 

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RE: OT: correct symbol to use

[Syed.Hosain]

 I have gone with 1(a)...(c) for now, but you are right, 1(a) to
1(c) is more correct.

 I do like that idea though Stuart, how about 1(a...c)?

 Cheers
 Alan

Ummm ... I think the 1(a) to 1(c) is best. The 1(a...c) is a bit too
unusual looking and *could* lead to confusion. The 1(a)...(c) is not
bad, but the missing '1' before the 'c' makes it a *bit* less appealing.

BTW, *sometimes*, I have gotten carried away and used, in similar
situations, constructs like 1(a) through 1(c) or even 1(a) through to
1(c), but these are both overkill ... particularly when the 'c' is not
too far away from 'a', if you know what I mean! :)

Z
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Re: Tag-compare tool?

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Nancy,

There's a free FrameScript script from itl that compares
the properties of two paragraph formats in a document.
http://www.itl.eu/framescript_download.html?L=1

See attached screenshots.

Kind regards,
Klaus Müller, itl AG



--- Original Message ---
From: Nancy Allison
Date: 17.12.2008 18:13
 Peter, I can easily generate a list of tags, and sort it any which way. 
 That is not the issue.
 
 My question is, how do I see if there are any similar or dissimilar 
 settings between two tags?
 
 In other words, all settings for Anchor and AnchorTable may be 
 identical, except that the tabs for AnchorTable have been set with 
 painstaking accuracy, while the tabs for Anchor are not useful.
 
 Let's say that I don't know that, and let's say that there are a couple 
 of other subtle differences between the two tags that I am not aware of. 
 (Why am I not aware? Because I've inherited a document previously worked 
 on by two tech writers, the first of whom knew a lot more about Frame 
 than the second. The second created sloppy tags, imported tags, didn't 
 sort out discrepancies, and so on and so forth. Now I'm trying to clean 
 it up a bit. There aren't enough problems to justify creating a new 
 template from scratch, however.)
 
 The only way I know to identify the differences between two paragraph or 
 character tags is to:
 
 1. Generate a list of all tags and their characteristics
 
 2. Find the listings for Anchor and AnchorTable (in this example)
 
 3. Place them side-by-side on my screen or desk
 
 4. Scan the many, many properties that are listed for those tags
 
 5. Visually identify the discrepancies among settings
 
 I suppose I could also put the tags through every conceivable possible 
 usage in a template and see how they behave, and figure out which 
 properties are more desirable that way, but I don't have the time or 
 patience.
 
 If you have any thoughts about how to automate the comparison of tag 
 properties, I will be glad to hear them.
 
 --Nancy
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Re: Tag-compare tool?

[Nancy Allison]

  Thanks, all. I'll try the Framescript tool -- a first for me! Then, 
the diff tools. Hmmm, must remember that OTHER tools can do what I may 
not be able to do in Frame, if I just export a file to them.

--Nancy

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RE: Tag-compare tool?

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Hi Nancy

MIFMuncher will create a text file listing all the paragraph characteristics 
that you selected, for all the paragraph formats in your document. It
will not include character formats, cross-refs, tables, etc. However, I don't 
know how you would do a diff between sections of the same file.
You can download MIFMuncher from http://www.stc-carolina.org/MIF+Muncher.

Hope this helps.

Roger Shuttleworth
London, Canada


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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison
Sent: December 17, 2008 12:13 PM
To: pe...@knowhowpro.com
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Tag-compare tool?


Peter, I can easily generate a list of tags, and sort it any which way. 
That is not the issue.

My question is, how do I see if there are any similar or dissimilar 
settings between two tags?

In other words, all settings for Anchor and AnchorTable may be 
identical, except that the tabs for AnchorTable have been set with 
painstaking accuracy, while the tabs for Anchor are not useful.

Let's say that I don't know that, and let's say that there are a couple 
of other subtle differences between the two tags that I am not aware of. 
(Why am I not aware? Because I've inherited a document previously worked 
on by two tech writers, the first of whom knew a lot more about Frame 
than the second. The second created sloppy tags, imported tags, didn't 
sort out discrepancies, and so on and so forth. Now I'm trying to clean 
it up a bit. There aren't enough problems to justify creating a new 
template from scratch, however.)

The only way I know to identify the differences between two paragraph or 
character tags is to:

1. Generate a list of all tags and their characteristics

2. Find the listings for Anchor and AnchorTable (in this example)

3. Place them side-by-side on my screen or desk

4. Scan the many, many properties that are listed for those tags

5. Visually identify the discrepancies among settings

I suppose I could also put the tags through every conceivable possible 
usage in a template and see how they behave, and figure out which 
properties are more desirable that way, but I don't have the time or 
patience.

If you have any thoughts about how to automate the comparison of tag 
properties, I will be glad to hear them.

--Nancy
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Re: Your callout philosophy

[Stuart Rogers]

Nancy Allison wrote:
 I am working on a document that currently has both paragraph tags for 
 callouts, and character tags.
 
 I can create callouts either by:
 
 --Creating a text box in the figure, entering text, and formatting it 
 with a callout paragraph tag. I prefer this. Makes it easy to widen or 
 narrow the callout text.
 
 --Using the Text tool to enter text, and formatting it with a character 
 tag. If the text needs to be expanded or edited, all repositioning of 
 text must be done manually. A pain.
 
 However, I could be missing something. How do you create your callouts, 
 and why?
 

I used to use text boxes with single-cell tables containing para-tagged 
text, for ease of borders/shading/spacing, fonts, etc.  But now that I 
am writing with translation/localization in mind, I put only consecutive 
numbers in those table cells and put the explanatory text below the 
figure in a separate table or caption.  The translated text can grow or 
shrink as much as necessary without messing up the callouts.


-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

A man's screech should exceed his rasp, or what's a violin for?

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Re: Your callout philosophy

[Art Campbell]

I think Stuart's method is the way to go; only thing I do differently
is use letters in the graphic.

This also saves time by eliminating having to alter the graphic or the
frame contentswhen something changes -- all the changes are in the
text.

Art


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Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
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On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 2:32 PM, Stuart Rogers
srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com wrote:
 Nancy Allison wrote:
 I am working on a document that currently has both paragraph tags for
 callouts, and character tags.

 I can create callouts either by:

 --Creating a text box in the figure, entering text, and formatting it
 with a callout paragraph tag. I prefer this. Makes it easy to widen or
 narrow the callout text.

 --Using the Text tool to enter text, and formatting it with a character
 tag. If the text needs to be expanded or edited, all repositioning of
 text must be done manually. A pain.

 However, I could be missing something. How do you create your callouts,
 and why?


 I used to use text boxes with single-cell tables containing para-tagged
 text, for ease of borders/shading/spacing, fonts, etc.  But now that I
 am writing with translation/localization in mind, I put only consecutive
 numbers in those table cells and put the explanatory text below the
 figure in a separate table or caption.  The translated text can grow or
 shrink as much as necessary without messing up the callouts.


 --
 Stuart Rogers
 Technical Communicator
 Phoenix Geophysics Limited
 Toronto, ON, Canada
 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

 srogers phoenix-geophysics com

 A man's screech should exceed his rasp, or what's a violin for?

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Re: OT: correct symbol to use

[FeiMin_Lorente]

Hi Alan:

Do you mean 1(a) to 1(c)? If so, I would write out the word to. The - 
looks too much like a minus sign, and there's enough of a mix of words, 
numbers, parentheses and letters in there to discourage using another 
symbol that readers have to interpret. If you must use a symbol, I would 
go with the  Just my opinion.

Fei Min Lorente




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Quick off-topic question,

If you have in a line of text something like to any of 1 (a)-(c), is 
this
more correctly set as to any of 1 (a)...(c)?

Cheers
Alan


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AlphaByte
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framemaker does not skip missing graphics

[Klaus Daube]

Dear all,

I have two installations of FM 8.0p277:
The one on the workstation behaves

On the laptop missing graphics can not be skipped when opening a file. 
Neither Skip this file nor Skip all files works. I just can Cancel 
and postpone the job to the workstation.
I have this problem since the first installation of FM 8 on the laptop 
and it did not disappear with the patches. It also did not disappear 
after a re-installation.

On both machines FM8 is running in Win XP SP2 with all automatic 
updates.

The files are on local harddisks - no network involved.

The only bypass i have is to use a script which allows me to open all 
files in a book silently.

Thank You for any ideas where this may come from.
Klaus Daube
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verpassen.

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RE: FrameMaker license question for older versions

[Kamen, Sara]

Thanks to everyone who replied. Seems clear that the answer is, NO!

As far as saving as 7.x format, our content management needs require 7.2
files to be fiddled with in order to make them compatible with 6.0.
(Seems like there should be a much simpler solution...)

The company owns several licenses of 7.2 (and 6.0), but none that are
currently available.

Through our local Adobe distributor, I've put in a request to Adobe for
a 7.2 license. Wish me luck!

Thanks again,
Sara

-Original Message-
From: Kamen, Sara 
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 11:18 AM
To: 'framers@lists.frameusers.com'
Subject: FrameMaker license question for older versions

Hi listers,

I have a new FrameMaker 8.0 license (not an upgrade), but for a specific
project, I require FM 7.2. 

If I uninstall FM 8.0, can I use the same license for FM 7.2?

Thanks in advance,
Sara
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Re: Your callout philosophy

[Nancy Allison]

Another good reason to do it Stuart's way! I'm amazed that I hadn't been 
aware of this consideration, it seems so obvious now that it's pointed 
out.

--Nancy

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at  2:59 PM, Art Campbell wrote:


 This also saves time by eliminating having to alter the graphic or the
 frame contentswhen something changes -- all the changes are in the
 text.

 Art
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RE: Tag-compare tool?

[Diane Gaskill]

Nancy, we use just one anchor tag for tabels and figures.  It's just a tag
to hang a frame on. I don't know of any reason to have separate tags.

Diane
==

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]on Behalf Of Nancy Allison
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:13 AM
To: pe...@knowhowpro.com
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Tag-compare tool?



Peter, I can easily generate a list of tags, and sort it any which way.
That is not the issue.

My question is, how do I see if there are any similar or dissimilar
settings between two tags?

In other words, all settings for Anchor and AnchorTable may be
identical, except that the tabs for AnchorTable have been set with
painstaking accuracy, while the tabs for Anchor are not useful.

Let's say that I don't know that, and let's say that there are a couple
of other subtle differences between the two tags that I am not aware of.
(Why am I not aware? Because I've inherited a document previously worked
on by two tech writers, the first of whom knew a lot more about Frame
than the second. The second created sloppy tags, imported tags, didn't
sort out discrepancies, and so on and so forth. Now I'm trying to clean
it up a bit. There aren't enough problems to justify creating a new
template from scratch, however.)

The only way I know to identify the differences between two paragraph or
character tags is to:

1. Generate a list of all tags and their characteristics

2. Find the listings for Anchor and AnchorTable (in this example)

3. Place them side-by-side on my screen or desk

4. Scan the many, many properties that are listed for those tags

5. Visually identify the discrepancies among settings

I suppose I could also put the tags through every conceivable possible
usage in a template and see how they behave, and figure out which
properties are more desirable that way, but I don't have the time or
patience.

If you have any thoughts about how to automate the comparison of tag
properties, I will be glad to hear them.

--Nancy
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RE: Your callout philosophy

[Diane Gaskill]

Nancy, it there is even a remote possibility that your docs will be
localized, definitily put the callouts in text frames.  That way, they
become part of the body text flow and will show up on the translators
workbench screen.  Otherwise, they have to be done individually and it will
cost you a lot more and take more time.

Regards,
Diane
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 7:41 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Your callout philosophy



I am working on a document that currently has both paragraph tags for
callouts, and character tags.

I can create callouts either by:

--Creating a text box in the figure, entering text, and formatting it
with a callout paragraph tag. I prefer this. Makes it easy to widen or
narrow the callout text.

--Using the Text tool to enter text, and formatting it with a character
tag. If the text needs to be expanded or edited, all repositioning of
text must be done manually. A pain.

However, I could be missing something. How do you create your callouts,
and why?

Thanks!

--Nancy
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Re: Help with hyperlinks and hypertext markers

[Shlomo Perets]

Adriana,

You wrote:

I want to do two things:

1-   link words in my FM document to my TOC in the same FM document

You can create a cross-reference to the ContentsTitle (or similar) 
paragraph, or you can add named destination to the ContentsTitle paragraph, 
and then add hypertext links pointing to that destination in the TOC file.
Adding direct links (cross-references or hypertext markers) to TOC entries 
is not recommended, as the supporting markers in the TOC will be deleted 
when you update/regenerate.

Have you considered including a bookmark to the Contents, so that it is 
available at the top of the list of bookmarks in the PDF?

[ a better yet approach is to provide direct access to related topics, as 
demonstrated in 
http://www.microtype.com/showcase/NavigationAsst/PopUpMenus.pdf , but this 
is not supported natively with FM-PDF conversion ]


2-   link external files to my FM document (i.e. have a word that
says Conversion Table and when you click on it, it opens an excel
spreadsheet or PDF of conversion table)

Earlier today, I responded to a similar question in the FrameUsers list:

In the Special  Hypertext dialog box, type
message openfile
followed by the file name (or path/filename).

For example:
message openfile name.doc
message openfile path/name.tif
message openfile ../name.pdf

Important: use a forward slash (and not a backslash) when specifying path.

Upon conversion to PDF, these markers will create Launch File links.
Unless pointing to PDF files, these links trigger the corresponding 
security alert message (which can be suppressed by clicking the Do not 
show this message again box, effective until Acrobat or Reader are restarted).

Note: target PDF will open at the default opening page (typically the 
first page).
(With the FM-to-Acrobat TimeSavers add-on, you can define links/bookmarks 
that control the opening location and the new window property, see 
http://www.microtype.com/ImprovePDF17.html for examples)


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Re: OT: correct symbol to use

[Stuart Rogers]

Alan Litchfield wrote:
 Quick off-topic question,
 
 If you have in a line of text something like to any of 1 (a)-(c), is this
 more correctly set as to any of 1 (a)...(c)?
 
 Cheers
 Alan
 
 

I'd second Fei Min's suggestion of to any of 1(a) to 1(c), but 
otherwise suggest:
to any of 1 (a-c)
where - is an en-dash.

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Re: Frame 7 and 8 to Word 2003

[Art Campbell]

Easiest way is just to SaveAs .rtf.
Best way is to use MIF2Go to export to RTF. The filter is much better
and you can also work at the book level.

Art

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On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Les Winberg lwinb...@itwgsegroup.com wrote:
 Hello Framers



 Don't ask why I ask this - it is a question from an engineer boss.



 Is there an easy way to convert Frame 7 or 8 to Word 2003?



 The thought scares me but I must ask.



 Thanks



 Les Winberg

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Frame 7 and 8 to Word 2003

[Les Winberg]

Hello Framers

 

Don't ask why I ask this - it is a question from an engineer boss.

 

Is there an easy way to convert Frame 7 or 8 to Word 2003?

 

The thought scares me but I must ask.

 

Thanks 

 

Les Winberg

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Re: Tag-compare tool?

[Nancy Allison]

Peter, I can easily generate a list of tags, and sort it any which way. 
That is not the issue.

My question is, how do I see if there are any similar or dissimilar 
settings between two tags?

In other words, all settings for Anchor and AnchorTable may be 
identical, except that the tabs for AnchorTable have been set with 
painstaking accuracy, while the tabs for Anchor are not useful.

Let's say that I don't know that, and let's say that there are a couple 
of other subtle differences between the two tags that I am not aware of. 
(Why am I not aware? Because I've inherited a document previously worked 
on by two tech writers, the first of whom knew a lot more about Frame 
than the second. The second created sloppy tags, imported tags, didn't 
sort out discrepancies, and so on and so forth. Now I'm trying to clean 
it up a bit. There aren't enough problems to justify creating a new 
template from scratch, however.)

The only way I know to identify the differences between two paragraph or 
character tags is to:

1. Generate a list of all tags and their characteristics

2. Find the listings for Anchor and AnchorTable (in this example)

3. Place them side-by-side on my screen or desk

4. Scan the many, many properties that are listed for those tags

5. Visually identify the discrepancies among settings

I suppose I could also put the tags through every conceivable possible 
usage in a template and see how they behave, and figure out which 
properties are more desirable that way, but I don't have the time or 
patience.

If you have any thoughts about how to automate the comparison of tag 
properties, I will be glad to hear them.

--Nancy
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Re: Your callout philosophy

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Nancy,

I prefer using a text box for the reasons you mentioned. Also, you can use 
variables, cross-references, etc., in the text.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com



 I am working on a document that currently has both paragraph tags for
 callouts, and character tags.

 I can create callouts either by:

 --Creating a text box in the figure, entering text, and formatting it
 with a callout paragraph tag. I prefer this. Makes it easy to widen or
 narrow the callout text.

 --Using the Text tool to enter text, and formatting it with a character
 tag. If the text needs to be expanded or edited, all repositioning of
 text must be done manually. A pain.

 However, I could be missing something. How do you create your callouts,
 and why?

 Thanks!

 --Nancy
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PDF to PDF Links on Linux

[jdeland1]

Hello, 



I just joined, have only used FM for 9 months, and have been around and around 
this issue with Adobe.  We want to distribute our PDFs to Linux, Windows, and 
Unix.  They work as shown below on Windows 32-bit and -64 bit versions of XP 
and Vista Business. 



I am using gotolink [folder name]/myotherfile.fm:[linkname], but gotolink 
[folder name]/myotherfile.pdf:[linkname] works more often than the fm extension 
does.  Here is my test script: 


link one = gotolink ./genh_toc.fm:one (OK on Windows, FAIL on Linux) 
link two = gotolink genh_toc.fm:one (OK on Windows, FAIL on Linux) 
link three = gotolink ./genh_toc.pdf:one (OK on Windows, FAIL on Linux) 
link four = gotolink genh_toc.pdf:one (OK on Windows, PASS on Linux) 
link five = openlink genh_toc.pdf:firstpage (OK on Windows, PASS on Linux) 
link six = openlink genh_toc.pdf:1 (OK on Windows, FAIL on Linux) 
link seven = openlink ./genh_toc.pdf:firstpage (OK on Windows, FAIL on Linux) 
link eight = openlink genh_toc.fm:1 (OK on Windows, FAIL on Linux) 


I am not using a relative path, because the PDFs are all in the same 
directory.  I have tried the relative path on Linux with .\ but it made no 
difference on our test machine. 


And of course I have a deadline that's approaching fast. 



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RE: Your callout philosophy

[Linda G. Gallagher]

Nancy,

I create a text box and use a paragraph tag to format the text. 


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-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 8:41 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Your callout philosophy


I am working on a document that currently has both paragraph tags for 
callouts, and character tags.

I can create callouts either by:

--Creating a text box in the figure, entering text, and formatting it 
with a callout paragraph tag. I prefer this. Makes it easy to widen or 
narrow the callout text.

--Using the Text tool to enter text, and formatting it with a character 
tag. If the text needs to be expanded or edited, all repositioning of 
text must be done manually. A pain.

However, I could be missing something. How do you create your callouts, 
and why?

Thanks!

--Nancy
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Checkboxes in numbered lists

[Eaton, Doug]

How do I integrate a checkbox (i.e., Wingding open square) into the
Autonumber format code so that each step also has a check box for
indicating completion?   

The final product will appear as follows:

Checkbox1. Step 1...

Checkbox2. Step 2...

etc.


~~
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Technical Communications 
Sensis Corporation
 
315.634.7284
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Re: PDF to PDF Links on Linux

[jdeland1]

Alan, 

I've used acroread 8.1.2 and 8.1.3, as well as gnome pdfviewer.  I had hoped we 
had fixed this by using the message command under 81.3. 
The Unix box has been unavailable to me, but I will get to it tonight or 
tomorrow.  Do you know of any gotchas to look out for on Unix, such as file 
naming conventions, that would be different from Linux? 

TIA 

Jack
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OT: correct symbol to use

[Alan Litchfield]

Quick off-topic question,

If you have in a line of text something like "to any of 1 (a)-(c)", is this
more correctly set as "to any of 1 (a)...(c)"?

Cheers
Alan


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OT: correct symbol to use

[Alan Litchfield]

Thanks,

The question is: "en dash" or "ellipsis"? The context is as I had quoted.

Cheers
Alan

Milan Davidovic wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Alan Litchfield  
> wrote:
>> If you have in a line of text something like "to any of 1 (a)-(c)", is this
>> more correctly set as "to any of 1 (a)...(c)"?
>
> Take a look at the en dash; it might be what you want:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/En_dash#En_dash
>
> --
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> http://altmilan.blogspot.com
>


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Linking to external documents

[Shlomo Perets]

Ealasaid,

You wrote:

>Here's what I'm looking to create: a Frame book which, when turned into
>a PDF, contains links that open external documents when clicked.
...
>- the links to the external docs need to be relative (ie, of the form
>Procedures/DDOC-00100-001.pdf rather than c:/My
>Documents/Report/Procedures/DDOC-00100-001.pdf) so that I can send a zip
>file containing the .pdf and its associated docs (which are held in
>subfolders) to other people.
>- the external docs are in all sorts of formats -- .pdf, .tif, .doc, etc.

In the Special > Hypertext dialog box, type
message openfile
followed by the file name (or path/filename).

For example:
message openfile name.doc
message openfile path/name.tif
message openfile ../name.pdf

Important: use a forward slash (and not a backslash) when specifying path.

Upon conversion to PDF, these markers will create "Launch File" links.
Unless pointing to PDF files, these links trigger the corresponding 
security alert message (which can be suppressed by clicking the "Do not 
show this message again" box, effective until Acrobat or Reader are restarted).

Note: target PDF will open at the default opening page (typically the first 
page).
(With the FM-to-Acrobat TimeSavers add-on, you can define links/bookmarks 
that control the opening location and the new window property, see 
http://www.microtype.com/ImprovePDF17.html for examples)


Shlomo Perets

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OT: correct symbol to use

[feimin_lore...@amis.com]

Hi Alan:

Do you mean 1(a) to 1(c)? If so, I would write out the word "to". The "-" 
looks too much like a minus sign, and there's enough of a mix of words, 
numbers, parentheses and letters in there to discourage using another 
symbol that readers have to interpret. If you must use a symbol, I would 
go with the "...". Just my opinion.

Fei Min Lorente




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Quick off-topic question,

If you have in a line of text something like "to any of 1 (a)-(c)", is 
this
more correctly set as "to any of 1 (a)...(c)"?

Cheers
Alan


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AlphaByte
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Frame 7 and 8 to Word 2003

[Art Campbell]

Easiest way is just to SaveAs .rtf.
Best way is to use MIF2Go to export to RTF. The filter is much better
and you can also work at the book level.

Art

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On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Les Winberg  
wrote:
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>
>
>
> Don't ask why I ask this - it is a question from an engineer boss.
>
>
>
> Is there an easy way to convert Frame 7 or 8 to Word 2003?
>
>
>
> The thought scares me but I must ask.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Les Winberg
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Help with hyperlinks and hypertext markers

[Adriana Harper]

Hello,



I want to do two things:



1-   link words in my FM document to my TOC in the same FM document

2-   link external files to my FM document (i.e. have a word that
says "Conversion Table" and when you click on it, it opens an excel
spreadsheet or PDF of conversion table)



I am trying to insert hypertext markers to accomplish this. However, I
am getting the error: "specify named destination" when I try to link to
an external PDF (I am entering Open Document as my hypertext command,
and " openlink Import demographic Codes.pdf " as the text in the syntax
box) - it also tells me that the document is not a FM document which I
am well aware of.  Even if I change the filename to a FM document, it
then tells me the document does not exist (which it does).



I do not know how to begin accomplishing my #1 goal (of linking within
my document to the TOC, for example).



Thank you.




ADRIANA HARPER
Technical Writer
Phone: 403.515.3910
Fax: 403.515.3919
Email: adriana.harper at solium.com   



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Tag-compare tool?

[Nancy Allison]

While I'm drawing on your endless font of wisdom, O Frame Gurus, I have 
another question: I see a document-compare function in Framemaker, but 
my web search has not turned up a tag-compare function within (or 
between) documents.

My document has an Anchor paragraph tag and an AnchorTable paragraph 
tag. In my zeal to reduce the number of tags, I'd like to know the 
difference between these tags.

I know how to print out an exhaustive list of tags (I think it's from 
that lovely CleanImport plugin), so I can go cross-eyed comparing the 
tag properties in print. BUT . . . is there a way within Frame, or with 
a plugin, to compare two tags using the astonishing powers of the 
computer, which doesn't even go crosseyed with effort?

I seem to be in a weird mood. Please ignore weird mood, but answer 
question if you can. Thanks!

--Nancy

framemaker does not skip missing graphics

[John Posada]

Do you use the same script on the workstation that behaves?

I'm asking because your problem is openning files and that's what your
script does, so there seems that there might be a relationship between
the two.

On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Klaus Daube  wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> I have two installations of FM 8.0p277:
> The one on the workstation behaves
>
> On the laptop missing graphics can not be skipped when opening a file.
> Neither "Skip this file" nor "Skip all files" works. I just can Cancel
> and postpone the job to the workstation.
> I have this problem since the first installation of FM 8 on the laptop
> and it did not disappear with the patches. It also did not disappear
> after a re-installation.
>
> On both machines FM8 is running in Win XP SP2 with all automatic
> updates.
>
> The files are on local harddisks - no network involved.
>
> The only bypass i have is to use a script which allows me to open all
> files in a book silently.

-- 
John Posada
Senior Technical Writer
NYMetro STC President

Looking for the next gig.

Frame 7 and 8 to Word 2003

[O'Laoghaire Micheal]

Use 'Save As RTF' from FrameMaker; It does a pretty good job.
Then open the RTF doc from Word and save as binary *.doc file.

Two versions - Save As RTF 1.3 and Save As RTF 1.6.
Generally, Save As RTF 1.6 much faster and better.
However, at times it crashes and then it is better to use Save As RTF
1.3.

Regards,
Micheal O'Laoghaire
Comverse Inc.
Cambridge, MA.


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To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Frame 7 and 8 to Word 2003

Hello Framers



Don't ask why I ask this - it is a question from an engineer boss.



Is there an easy way to convert Frame 7 or 8 to Word 2003?



The thought scares me but I must ask.



Thanks 



Les Winberg

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OT: correct symbol to use

[Stuart Rogers]

Alan Litchfield wrote:
> Quick off-topic question,
> 
> If you have in a line of text something like "to any of 1 (a)-(c)", is this
> more correctly set as "to any of 1 (a)...(c)"?
> 
> Cheers
> Alan
> 
> 

I'd second Fei Min's suggestion of "to any of 1(a) to 1(c)," but 
otherwise suggest:
"to any of 1 (a-c)"
where "-" is an en-dash.

-- 
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Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

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--another Rogers Original

Tag-compare tool?

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Nancy:

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Nancy Allison  wrote:
> While I'm drawing on your endless font of wisdom, O Frame Gurus, I have
> another question: I see a document-compare function in Framemaker, but
> my web search has not turned up a tag-compare function within (or
> between) documents.
>
> My document has an Anchor paragraph tag and an AnchorTable paragraph
> tag. In my zeal to reduce the number of tags, I'd like to know the
> difference between these tags.
>
> I know how to print out an exhaustive list of tags (I think it's from
> that lovely CleanImport plugin), so I can go cross-eyed comparing the
> tag properties in print. BUT . . . is there a way within Frame, or with
> a plugin, to compare two tags using the astonishing powers of the
> computer, which doesn't even go crosseyed with effort?

* Select the text of each file's list of tags and convert it to a
table. Sort the tables.

OR

* Tag the text of each file's list of tags with a unique tag and
generate an alphabetic paragraph list.

HTH

Regards,

Peter
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KnowHow ProServices

Tag-compare tool?

[Nancy Allison]

Peter, I can easily generate a list of tags, and sort it any which way. 
That is not the issue.

My question is, how do I see if there are any similar or dissimilar 
settings between two tags?

In other words, all settings for Anchor and AnchorTable may be 
identical, except that the tabs for AnchorTable have been set with 
painstaking accuracy, while the tabs for Anchor are not useful.

Let's say that I don't know that, and let's say that there are a couple 
of other subtle differences between the two tags that I am not aware of. 
(Why am I not aware? Because I've inherited a document previously worked 
on by two tech writers, the first of whom knew a lot more about Frame 
than the second. The second created sloppy tags, imported tags, didn't 
sort out discrepancies, and so on and so forth. Now I'm trying to clean 
it up a bit. There aren't enough problems to justify creating a new 
template from scratch, however.)

The only way I know to identify the differences between two paragraph or 
character tags is to:

1. Generate a list of all tags and their characteristics

2. Find the listings for Anchor and AnchorTable (in this example)

3. Place them side-by-side on my screen or desk

4. Scan the many, many properties that are listed for those tags

5. Visually identify the discrepancies among settings

I suppose I could also put the tags through every conceivable possible 
usage in a template and see how they behave, and figure out which 
properties are more desirable that way, but I don't have the time or 
patience.

If you have any thoughts about how to automate the comparison of tag 
properties, I will be glad to hear them.

--Nancy

Your callout philosophy

[Nancy Allison]

I am working on a document that currently has both paragraph tags for 
callouts, and character tags.

I can create callouts either by:

--Creating a text box in the figure, entering text, and formatting it 
with a callout paragraph tag. I prefer this. Makes it easy to widen or 
narrow the callout text.

--Using the Text tool to enter text, and formatting it with a character 
tag. If the text needs to be expanded or edited, all repositioning of 
text must be done manually. A pain.

However, I could be missing something. How do you create your callouts, 
and why?

Thanks!

--Nancy

Tag-compare tool?

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Nancy:

I don't know if there's a utility that compares format properties
(BTW, don't forget x-ref formats and variable formats.) However, I
believe that the properties are listed in MIF in the same order; i.e.,
first comes, say, default font, then the font properties - weight,
variation, point size, etc. So, you might get somewhere by saving
empty documents as MIF, then editing the MIF in a text editor, cutting
out all the non-format stuff and saving as text. Then open the text
files and compare the files.

You might even cut it down further and make the comparison utility
less likely to be confused, by creating separate files for each format
catalog - paragraph, character, table, cross-reference, variable, etc,
so you're only comparing likes with likes.

HTH

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Nancy Allison  wrote:
> Peter, I can easily generate a list of tags, and sort it any which way. That
> is not the issue.
> My question is, how do I see if there are any similar or dissimilar settings
> between two tags?
> In other words, all settings for Anchor and AnchorTable may be identical,
> except that the tabs for AnchorTable have been set with painstaking
> accuracy, while the tabs for Anchor are not useful.
> Let's say that I don't know that, and let's say that there are a couple of
> other subtle differences between the two tags that I am not aware of. (Why
> am I not aware? Because I've inherited a document previously worked on by
> two tech writers, the first of whom knew a lot more about Frame than the
> second. The second created sloppy tags, imported tags, didn't sort out
> discrepancies, and so on and so forth. Now I'm trying to clean it up a bit.
> There aren't enough problems to justify creating a new template from
> scratch, however.)
> The only way I know to identify the differences between two paragraph or
> character tags is to:
> 1. Generate a list of all tags and their characteristics
> 2. Find the listings for Anchor and AnchorTable (in this example)
> 3. Place them side-by-side on my screen or desk
> 4. Scan the many, many properties that are listed for those tags
> 5. Visually identify the discrepancies among settings
> I suppose I could also put the tags through every conceivable possible usage
> in a template and see how they behave, and figure out which properties are
> more desirable that way, but I don't have the time or patience.
> If you have any thoughts about how to automate the comparison of tag
> properties, I will be glad to hear them.
> --Nancy

Tag-compare tool?

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Nancy,

There's a free FrameScript script from itl that compares
the properties of two paragraph formats in a document.
http://www.itl.eu/framescript_download.html?=1

See attached screenshots.

Kind regards,
Klaus M?ller, itl AG



--- Original Message ---
From: Nancy Allison
Date: 17.12.2008 18:13
> Peter, I can easily generate a list of tags, and sort it any which way. 
> That is not the issue.
> 
> My question is, how do I see if there are any similar or dissimilar 
> settings between two tags?
> 
> In other words, all settings for Anchor and AnchorTable may be 
> identical, except that the tabs for AnchorTable have been set with 
> painstaking accuracy, while the tabs for Anchor are not useful.
> 
> Let's say that I don't know that, and let's say that there are a couple 
> of other subtle differences between the two tags that I am not aware of. 
> (Why am I not aware? Because I've inherited a document previously worked 
> on by two tech writers, the first of whom knew a lot more about Frame 
> than the second. The second created sloppy tags, imported tags, didn't 
> sort out discrepancies, and so on and so forth. Now I'm trying to clean 
> it up a bit. There aren't enough problems to justify creating a new 
> template from scratch, however.)
> 
> The only way I know to identify the differences between two paragraph or 
> character tags is to:
> 
> 1. Generate a list of all tags and their characteristics
> 
> 2. Find the listings for Anchor and AnchorTable (in this example)
> 
> 3. Place them side-by-side on my screen or desk
> 
> 4. Scan the many, many properties that are listed for those tags
> 
> 5. Visually identify the discrepancies among settings
> 
> I suppose I could also put the tags through every conceivable possible 
> usage in a template and see how they behave, and figure out which 
> properties are more desirable that way, but I don't have the time or 
> patience.
> 
> If you have any thoughts about how to automate the comparison of tag 
> properties, I will be glad to hear them.
> 
> --Nancy

Your callout philosophy

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Nancy,

I prefer using a text box for the reasons you mentioned. Also, you can use 
variables, cross-references, etc., in the text.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


>
> I am working on a document that currently has both paragraph tags for
> callouts, and character tags.
>
> I can create callouts either by:
>
> --Creating a text box in the figure, entering text, and formatting it
> with a callout paragraph tag. I prefer this. Makes it easy to widen or
> narrow the callout text.
>
> --Using the Text tool to enter text, and formatting it with a character
> tag. If the text needs to be expanded or edited, all repositioning of
> text must be done manually. A pain.
>
> However, I could be missing something. How do you create your callouts,
> and why?
>
> Thanks!
>
> --Nancy
> ___

Tag-compare tool?

[Zoe Lawson]

As long as you can get the styles into text files, you can use diff tools.

KDiff (http://kdiff3.sourceforge.net/) is a free diff tool that compares 
directories or files as you need.

You probably will still need to manually create the files to compare, but 
that's just some annoying cut and paste.

HTH,
Zo?





From: Peter Gold 
To: Nancy Allison 
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 12:23:44 PM
Subject: Re: Tag-compare tool?

Hi, Nancy:

I don't know if there's a utility that compares format properties
(BTW, don't forget x-ref formats and variable formats.) However, I
believe that the properties are listed in MIF in the same order; i.e.,
first comes, say, default font, then the font properties - weight,
variation, point size, etc. So, you might get somewhere by saving
empty documents as MIF, then editing the MIF in a text editor, cutting
out all the non-format stuff and saving as text. Then open the text
files and compare the files.

You might even cut it down further and make the comparison utility
less likely to be confused, by creating separate files for each format
catalog - paragraph, character, table, cross-reference, variable, etc,
so you're only comparing likes with likes.

HTH

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Nancy Allison  wrote:
> Peter, I can easily generate a list of tags, and sort it any which way. That
> is not the issue.
> My question is, how do I see if there are any similar or dissimilar settings
> between two tags?
> In other words, all settings for Anchor and AnchorTable may be identical,
> except that the tabs for AnchorTable have been set with painstaking
> accuracy, while the tabs for Anchor are not useful.
> Let's say that I don't know that, and let's say that there are a couple of
> other subtle differences between the two tags that I am not aware of. (Why
> am I not aware? Because I've inherited a document previously worked on by
> two tech writers, the first of whom knew a lot more about Frame than the
> second. The second created sloppy tags, imported tags, didn't sort out
> discrepancies, and so on and so forth. Now I'm trying to clean it up a bit.
> There aren't enough problems to justify creating a new template from
> scratch, however.)
> The only way I know to identify the differences between two paragraph or
> character tags is to:
> 1. Generate a list of all tags and their characteristics
> 2. Find the listings for Anchor and AnchorTable (in this example)
> 3. Place them side-by-side on my screen or desk
> 4. Scan the many, many properties that are listed for those tags
> 5. Visually identify the discrepancies among settings
> I suppose I could also put the tags through every conceivable possible usage
> in a template and see how they behave, and figure out which properties are
> more desirable that way, but I don't have the time or patience.
> If you have any thoughts about how to automate the comparison of tag
> properties, I will be glad to hear them.
> --Nancy
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Tag-compare tool?

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Hi Nancy

MIFMuncher will create a text file listing all the paragraph characteristics 
that you selected, for all the paragraph formats in your document. It
will not include character formats, cross-refs, tables, etc. However, I don't 
know how you would do a diff between sections of the same file.
You can download MIFMuncher from http://www.stc-carolina.org/MIF+Muncher.

Hope this helps.

Roger Shuttleworth
London, Canada


-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison
Sent: December 17, 2008 12:13 PM
To: peter at knowhowpro.com
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Tag-compare tool?


Peter, I can easily generate a list of tags, and sort it any which way. 
That is not the issue.

My question is, how do I see if there are any similar or dissimilar 
settings between two tags?

In other words, all settings for Anchor and AnchorTable may be 
identical, except that the tabs for AnchorTable have been set with 
painstaking accuracy, while the tabs for Anchor are not useful.

Let's say that I don't know that, and let's say that there are a couple 
of other subtle differences between the two tags that I am not aware of. 
(Why am I not aware? Because I've inherited a document previously worked 
on by two tech writers, the first of whom knew a lot more about Frame 
than the second. The second created sloppy tags, imported tags, didn't 
sort out discrepancies, and so on and so forth. Now I'm trying to clean 
it up a bit. There aren't enough problems to justify creating a new 
template from scratch, however.)

The only way I know to identify the differences between two paragraph or 
character tags is to:

1. Generate a list of all tags and their characteristics

2. Find the listings for Anchor and AnchorTable (in this example)

3. Place them side-by-side on my screen or desk

4. Scan the many, many properties that are listed for those tags

5. Visually identify the discrepancies among settings

I suppose I could also put the tags through every conceivable possible 
usage in a template and see how they behave, and figure out which 
properties are more desirable that way, but I don't have the time or 
patience.

If you have any thoughts about how to automate the comparison of tag 
properties, I will be glad to hear them.

--Nancy
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OT: correct symbol to use

[syed.hos...@aeris.net]

> I have gone with "1(a)...(c)" for now, but you are right, "1(a) to
1(c)" is more correct.

> I do like that idea though Stuart, how about 1(a...c)?

> Cheers
> Alan

Ummm ... I think the "1(a) to 1(c)" is best. The "1(a...c)" is a bit too
unusual looking and *could* lead to confusion. The "1(a)...(c)" is not
bad, but the missing '1' before the 'c' makes it a *bit* less appealing.

BTW, *sometimes*, I have gotten carried away and used, in similar
situations, constructs like "1(a) through 1(c)" or even "1(a) through to
1(c)", but these are both overkill ... particularly when the 'c' is not
too "far away" from 'a', if you know what I mean! :)

Z

Tag-compare tool?

[Nancy Allison]

  Thanks, all. I'll try the Framescript tool -- a first for me! Then, 
the diff tools. Hmmm, must remember that OTHER tools can do what I may 
not be able to do in Frame, if I just export a file to them.

--Nancy

Your callout philosophy

[Stuart Rogers]

Nancy Allison wrote:
> I am working on a document that currently has both paragraph tags for 
> callouts, and character tags.
> 
> I can create callouts either by:
> 
> --Creating a text box in the figure, entering text, and formatting it 
> with a callout paragraph tag. I prefer this. Makes it easy to widen or 
> narrow the callout text.
> 
> --Using the Text tool to enter text, and formatting it with a character 
> tag. If the text needs to be expanded or edited, all repositioning of 
> text must be done manually. A pain.
> 
> However, I could be missing something. How do you create your callouts, 
> and why?
> 

I used to use text boxes with single-cell tables containing para-tagged 
text, for ease of borders/shading/spacing, fonts, etc.  But now that I 
am writing with translation/localization in mind, I put only consecutive 
numbers in those table cells and put the explanatory text below the 
figure in a separate table or caption.  The translated text can grow or 
shrink as much as necessary without messing up the callouts.


-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

"A man's screech should exceed his rasp, or what's a violin for?"

--another Rogers Original

Your callout philosophy

[Art Campbell]

I think Stuart's method is the way to go; only thing I do differently
is use letters in the graphic.

This also saves time by eliminating having to alter the graphic or the
frame contentswhen something changes -- all the changes are in the
text.

Art


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On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 2:32 PM, Stuart Rogers
 wrote:
> Nancy Allison wrote:
>> I am working on a document that currently has both paragraph tags for
>> callouts, and character tags.
>>
>> I can create callouts either by:
>>
>> --Creating a text box in the figure, entering text, and formatting it
>> with a callout paragraph tag. I prefer this. Makes it easy to widen or
>> narrow the callout text.
>>
>> --Using the Text tool to enter text, and formatting it with a character
>> tag. If the text needs to be expanded or edited, all repositioning of
>> text must be done manually. A pain.
>>
>> However, I could be missing something. How do you create your callouts,
>> and why?
>>
>
> I used to use text boxes with single-cell tables containing para-tagged
> text, for ease of borders/shading/spacing, fonts, etc.  But now that I
> am writing with translation/localization in mind, I put only consecutive
> numbers in those table cells and put the explanatory text below the
> figure in a separate table or caption.  The translated text can grow or
> shrink as much as necessary without messing up the callouts.
>
>
> --
> Stuart Rogers
> Technical Communicator
> Phoenix Geophysics Limited
> Toronto, ON, Canada
> +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325
>
> srogers phoenix-geophysics com
>
> "A man's screech should exceed his rasp, or what's a violin for?"
>
> --another Rogers Original
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Your callout philosophy

[Nancy Allison]

Another good reason to do it Stuart's way! I'm amazed that I hadn't been 
aware of this consideration, it seems so obvious now that it's pointed 
out.

--Nancy

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at  2:59 PM, Art Campbell wrote:


> This also saves time by eliminating having to alter the graphic or the
> frame contentswhen something changes -- all the changes are in the
> text.
>
> Art

Tag-compare tool?

[Diane Gaskill]

Nancy, we use just one anchor tag for tabels and figures.  It's just a tag
to hang a frame on. I don't know of any reason to have separate tags.

Diane
==

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com]On Behalf Of Nancy Allison
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:13 AM
To: peter at knowhowpro.com
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Tag-compare tool?



Peter, I can easily generate a list of tags, and sort it any which way.
That is not the issue.

My question is, how do I see if there are any similar or dissimilar
settings between two tags?

In other words, all settings for Anchor and AnchorTable may be
identical, except that the tabs for AnchorTable have been set with
painstaking accuracy, while the tabs for Anchor are not useful.

Let's say that I don't know that, and let's say that there are a couple
of other subtle differences between the two tags that I am not aware of.
(Why am I not aware? Because I've inherited a document previously worked
on by two tech writers, the first of whom knew a lot more about Frame
than the second. The second created sloppy tags, imported tags, didn't
sort out discrepancies, and so on and so forth. Now I'm trying to clean
it up a bit. There aren't enough problems to justify creating a new
template from scratch, however.)

The only way I know to identify the differences between two paragraph or
character tags is to:

1. Generate a list of all tags and their characteristics

2. Find the listings for Anchor and AnchorTable (in this example)

3. Place them side-by-side on my screen or desk

4. Scan the many, many properties that are listed for those tags

5. Visually identify the discrepancies among settings

I suppose I could also put the tags through every conceivable possible
usage in a template and see how they behave, and figure out which
properties are more desirable that way, but I don't have the time or
patience.

If you have any thoughts about how to automate the comparison of tag
properties, I will be glad to hear them.

--Nancy
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Your callout philosophy

[Diane Gaskill]

Nancy, it there is even a remote possibility that your docs will be
localized, definitily put the callouts in text frames.  That way, they
become part of the body text flow and will show up on the translators
workbench screen.  Otherwise, they have to be done individually and it will
cost you a lot more and take more time.

Regards,
Diane
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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com]On Behalf Of Nancy Allison
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 7:41 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Your callout philosophy



I am working on a document that currently has both paragraph tags for
callouts, and character tags.

I can create callouts either by:

--Creating a text box in the figure, entering text, and formatting it
with a callout paragraph tag. I prefer this. Makes it easy to widen or
narrow the callout text.

--Using the Text tool to enter text, and formatting it with a character
tag. If the text needs to be expanded or edited, all repositioning of
text must be done manually. A pain.

However, I could be missing something. How do you create your callouts,
and why?

Thanks!

--Nancy
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Help with hyperlinks and hypertext markers

[Shlomo Perets]

Adriana,

You wrote:

>I want to do two things:
>
>1-   link words in my FM document to my TOC in the same FM document

You can create a cross-reference to the "ContentsTitle" (or similar) 
paragraph, or you can add named destination to the ContentsTitle paragraph, 
and then add hypertext links pointing to that destination in the TOC file.
Adding direct links (cross-references or hypertext markers) to TOC entries 
is not recommended, as the supporting markers in the TOC will be deleted 
when you update/regenerate.

Have you considered including a bookmark to the Contents, so that it is 
available at the top of the list of bookmarks in the PDF?

[ a better yet approach is to provide direct access to related topics, as 
demonstrated in 
http://www.microtype.com/showcase/NavigationAsst/PopUpMenus.pdf , but this 
is not supported natively with FM->PDF conversion ]


>2-   link external files to my FM document (i.e. have a word that
>says "Conversion Table" and when you click on it, it opens an excel
>spreadsheet or PDF of conversion table)

Earlier today, I responded to a similar question in the FrameUsers list:

>In the Special > Hypertext dialog box, type
>message openfile
>followed by the file name (or path/filename).
>
>For example:
>message openfile name.doc
>message openfile path/name.tif
>message openfile ../name.pdf
>
>Important: use a forward slash (and not a backslash) when specifying path.
>
>Upon conversion to PDF, these markers will create "Launch File" links.
>Unless pointing to PDF files, these links trigger the corresponding 
>security alert message (which can be suppressed by clicking the "Do not 
>show this message again" box, effective until Acrobat or Reader are restarted).
>
>Note: target PDF will open at the default opening page (typically the 
>first page).
>(With the FM-to-Acrobat TimeSavers add-on, you can define links/bookmarks 
>that control the opening location and the new window property, see 
>http://www.microtype.com/ImprovePDF17.html for examples)


Shlomo Perets

MicroType * http://www.microtype.com
FrameMaker training & consulting * FM-to-Acrobat TimeSavers

"Improve Your FrameMaker Skills" live web-based training sessions

Your callout philosophy

[Linda G. Gallagher]

Nancy,

I create a text box and use a paragraph tag to format the text. 


~
Linda G. Gallagher
TechCom Plus, LLC
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User guides, online help, FrameMaker and
WebWorks ePublisher templates




-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 8:41 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Your callout philosophy


I am working on a document that currently has both paragraph tags for 
callouts, and character tags.

I can create callouts either by:

--Creating a text box in the figure, entering text, and formatting it 
with a callout paragraph tag. I prefer this. Makes it easy to widen or 
narrow the callout text.

--Using the Text tool to enter text, and formatting it with a character 
tag. If the text needs to be expanded or edited, all repositioning of 
text must be done manually. A pain.

However, I could be missing something. How do you create your callouts, 
and why?

Thanks!

--Nancy
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Checkboxes in numbered lists

[Eaton, Doug]

How do I integrate a checkbox (i.e., Wingding open square) into the
Autonumber format code so that each step also has a check box for
indicating completion?   

The final product will appear as follows:

Checkbox1. Step 1...

Checkbox2. Step 2...

etc.


~~
Doug Eaton
Technical Communications 
Sensis Corporation

315.634.7284

PDF to PDF Links on Linux

[jdela...@comcast.net]

Alan, 

I've used acroread 8.1.2 and 8.1.3, as well as gnome pdfviewer.? I had hoped we 
had fixed this by using the message command under 81.3. 
The Unix box has been unavailable to me, but I will get to it tonight or 
tomorrow.? Do you know of any "gotchas" to look out for on Unix, such as file 
naming conventions,?that would be different from Linux? 

TIA 

Jack