from:"Ed"

Thanks, Fred.  At least I learned something.  'If it ain't broke, don't fix it' 
probably applies here.

Thanks, everybody for the responses!

-Ed Lightle

From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 11:01 AM
To: Ed Lightle; Shmuel Wolfson; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FM, How to Delete Unused Conditional Text Names from a Book

Note that if any of the unused conditions are still defined in any of the 
chapter files, the names will reappear in the book file the next time you do an 
Update Book operation.

Also note that a book file cannot contain conditional text *markers* as you 
originally asked about. Conditional text markers are non-printing symbols that 
appear in a text flow to encapsulate hidden conditionalized content when the 
content's condition(s) is set to hide rather than show. Since the book file has 
no text flows, it cannot contain markers. What it *does* contain is a compiled 
list of the names of all the conditions that exist in any of the component .fm 
files. Yes, I'm being picky about terminology, but conditional text is 
complicated enough (and misunderstood enough by many users) that there's no 
need to add more confusion.

-Fred Ridder
> From: elightle at commandalkon.com<mailto:elightle at commandalkon.com>
> To: shmuelw1 at gmail.com<mailto:shmuelw1 at gmail.com>; framers at 
> lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: RE: FM, How to Delete Unused Conditional Text Names from a Book
> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 14:47:51 +
>
> Edited to add:
> This worked for the book but did not remove the condition tags in the 
> individual files.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ed Lightle
> Sr. Technical Writer
> Command Alkon
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ed Lightle
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 10:22 AM
> To: 'Shmuel Wolfson'; Framers
> Subject: RE: FM, How to Delete Unused Conditional Text Names from a Book
>
> Shmuel,
>
> Thanks so much! Saved book as a MIF as you recommended, deleted the condition 
> markers and then saved back as a book. Took about 4 minutes!
>
> Thanks so much!
> Ed Lightle
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Shmuel Wolfson [mailto:shmuelw1 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 3:45 AM
> To: Ed Lightle; Framers
> Subject: FM, How to Delete Unused Conditional Text Names from a Book
>
> As far as I know, the only way to do it is to save the book file as a MIF, 
> open the MIF in a text editor, delete the condition, and then resave it as a 
> BOOK file. It's not as hard as it sounds. Here is an example of the lines you 
> would need to delete for the "Comment" condition:
>
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > # end of Condition
>
> Regards,
> Shmuel Wolfson
> Technical Writer
> 052-763-7133
>
> On 21-Oct-13 4:37 PM, Ed Lightle wrote:
> >
> > Hi, everybody.
> >
> > Is there an easy way to delete unused conditional text markers from a
> > FrameMaker book? I'm still using version 7.0.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Ed Lightle
> >

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Edited to add:
This worked for the book but did not remove the condition tags in the 
individual files.

Thanks,

Ed Lightle
Sr. Technical Writer
Command Alkon

-Original Message-
From: Ed Lightle 
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 10:22 AM
To: 'Shmuel Wolfson'; Framers
Subject: RE: FM, How to Delete Unused Conditional Text Names from a Book

Shmuel,

Thanks so much!  Saved book as a MIF as you recommended, deleted the condition 
markers and then saved back as a book.  Took about 4 minutes!

Thanks so much!
Ed Lightle

-Original Message-
From: Shmuel Wolfson [mailto:shmue...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 3:45 AM
To: Ed Lightle; Framers
Subject: FM, How to Delete Unused Conditional Text Names from a Book

As far as I know, the only way to do it is to save the book file as a MIF, open 
the MIF in a text editor, delete the condition, and then resave it as a BOOK 
file. It's not as hard as it sounds. Here is an example of the lines you would 
need to delete for the "Comment" condition:






 > # end of Condition

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133

On 21-Oct-13 4:37 PM, Ed Lightle wrote:
>
> Hi, everybody.
>
> Is there an easy way to delete unused conditional text markers from a 
> FrameMaker book? I'm still using version 7.0.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ed Lightle
>
> */Sr. Technical Writer/*
>
> *Command**Alkon
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FM, How to Delete Unused Conditional Text Names from a Book

Shmuel,

Thanks so much!  Saved book as a MIF as you recommended, deleted the condition 
markers and then saved back as a book.  Took about 4 minutes!

Thanks so much!
Ed Lightle

-Original Message-
From: Shmuel Wolfson [mailto:shmue...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 3:45 AM
To: Ed Lightle; Framers
Subject: FM, How to Delete Unused Conditional Text Names from a Book

As far as I know, the only way to do it is to save the book file as a MIF, open 
the MIF in a text editor, delete the condition, and then resave it as a BOOK 
file. It's not as hard as it sounds. Here is an example of the lines you would 
need to delete for the "Comment" condition:






 > # end of Condition

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133

On 21-Oct-13 4:37 PM, Ed Lightle wrote:
>
> Hi, everybody.
>
> Is there an easy way to delete unused conditional text markers from a 
> FrameMaker book? I'm still using version 7.0.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ed Lightle
>
> */Sr. Technical Writer/*
>
> *Command**Alkon
> *5168 Blazer Parkway | Dublin, Ohio 43017-1339
>
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RE: FM, How to Delete Unused Conditional Text Names from a Book

Thanks, Fred.  At least I learned something.  'If it ain't broke, don't fix it' 
probably applies here.

Thanks, everybody for the responses!

-Ed Lightle

From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 11:01 AM
To: Ed Lightle; Shmuel Wolfson; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FM, How to Delete Unused Conditional Text Names from a Book

Note that if any of the unused conditions are still defined in any of the 
chapter files, the names will reappear in the book file the next time you do an 
Update Book operation.

Also note that a book file cannot contain conditional text *markers* as you 
originally asked about. Conditional text markers are non-printing symbols that 
appear in a text flow to encapsulate hidden conditionalized content when the 
content's condition(s) is set to hide rather than show. Since the book file has 
no text flows, it cannot contain markers. What it *does* contain is a compiled 
list of the names of all the conditions that exist in any of the component .fm 
files. Yes, I'm being picky about terminology, but conditional text is 
complicated enough (and misunderstood enough by many users) that there's no 
need to add more confusion.

-Fred Ridder
> From: eligh...@commandalkon.com<mailto:eligh...@commandalkon.com>
> To: shmue...@gmail.com<mailto:shmue...@gmail.com>; 
> framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: RE: FM, How to Delete Unused Conditional Text Names from a Book
> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 14:47:51 +
>
> Edited to add:
> This worked for the book but did not remove the condition tags in the 
> individual files.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ed Lightle
> Sr. Technical Writer
> Command Alkon
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ed Lightle
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 10:22 AM
> To: 'Shmuel Wolfson'; Framers
> Subject: RE: FM, How to Delete Unused Conditional Text Names from a Book
>
> Shmuel,
>
> Thanks so much! Saved book as a MIF as you recommended, deleted the condition 
> markers and then saved back as a book. Took about 4 minutes!
>
> Thanks so much!
> Ed Lightle
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Shmuel Wolfson [mailto:shmue...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 3:45 AM
> To: Ed Lightle; Framers
> Subject: FM, How to Delete Unused Conditional Text Names from a Book
>
> As far as I know, the only way to do it is to save the book file as a MIF, 
> open the MIF in a text editor, delete the condition, and then resave it as a 
> BOOK file. It's not as hard as it sounds. Here is an example of the lines you 
> would need to delete for the "Comment" condition:
>
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > # end of Condition
>
> Regards,
> Shmuel Wolfson
> Technical Writer
> 052-763-7133
>
> On 21-Oct-13 4:37 PM, Ed Lightle wrote:
> >
> > Hi, everybody.
> >
> > Is there an easy way to delete unused conditional text markers from a
> > FrameMaker book? I'm still using version 7.0.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Ed Lightle
> >

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RE: FM, How to Delete Unused Conditional Text Names from a Book

Edited to add:
This worked for the book but did not remove the condition tags in the 
individual files.

Thanks,

Ed Lightle
Sr. Technical Writer
Command Alkon

-Original Message-
From: Ed Lightle 
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 10:22 AM
To: 'Shmuel Wolfson'; Framers
Subject: RE: FM, How to Delete Unused Conditional Text Names from a Book

Shmuel,

Thanks so much!  Saved book as a MIF as you recommended, deleted the condition 
markers and then saved back as a book.  Took about 4 minutes!

Thanks so much!
Ed Lightle

-Original Message-
From: Shmuel Wolfson [mailto:shmue...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 3:45 AM
To: Ed Lightle; Framers
Subject: FM, How to Delete Unused Conditional Text Names from a Book

As far as I know, the only way to do it is to save the book file as a MIF, open 
the MIF in a text editor, delete the condition, and then resave it as a BOOK 
file. It's not as hard as it sounds. Here is an example of the lines you would 
need to delete for the "Comment" condition:

 > # end of Condition

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133

On 21-Oct-13 4:37 PM, Ed Lightle wrote:
>
> Hi, everybody.
>
> Is there an easy way to delete unused conditional text markers from a 
> FrameMaker book? I'm still using version 7.0.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ed Lightle
>
> */Sr. Technical Writer/*
>
> *Command**Alkon
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RE: FM, How to Delete Unused Conditional Text Names from a Book

Shmuel,

Thanks so much!  Saved book as a MIF as you recommended, deleted the condition 
markers and then saved back as a book.  Took about 4 minutes!

Thanks so much!
Ed Lightle

-Original Message-
From: Shmuel Wolfson [mailto:shmue...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 3:45 AM
To: Ed Lightle; Framers
Subject: FM, How to Delete Unused Conditional Text Names from a Book

As far as I know, the only way to do it is to save the book file as a MIF, open 
the MIF in a text editor, delete the condition, and then resave it as a BOOK 
file. It's not as hard as it sounds. Here is an example of the lines you would 
need to delete for the "Comment" condition:






 > # end of Condition

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133

On 21-Oct-13 4:37 PM, Ed Lightle wrote:
>
> Hi, everybody.
>
> Is there an easy way to delete unused conditional text markers from a 
> FrameMaker book? I'm still using version 7.0.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ed Lightle
>
> */Sr. Technical Writer/*
>
> *Command**Alkon
> *5168 Blazer Parkway | Dublin, Ohio 43017-1339
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How to Delete Conditional Text Markers from a Book

2013-10-21 Thread Ed Lightle

Hi, everybody.

Is there an easy way to delete unused conditional text markers from a 
FrameMaker book?  I'm still using version 7.0.

Thanks,

Ed Lightle
Sr. Technical Writer
Command Alkon
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How to Delete Conditional Text Markers from a Book

2013-10-21 Thread Ed Lightle

Hi, everybody.

Is there an easy way to delete unused conditional text markers from a 
FrameMaker book?  I'm still using version 7.0.

Thanks,

Ed Lightle
Sr. Technical Writer
Command Alkon
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FM 11 ignores my XML Tab Characters

2013-09-12 Thread Ed Nodland

I'm using FM 10, but need to expand capacity and had a co-worker install FM
11.  When we open our .XML files the 	 characters are ignored or
dropped by FM 11. Works fine in FM10.

We installed the 11.0.2.384 patch.  I see an old post on the Abobe forum
about FM 9 using  for a tab, but 0009 works fine for me using FM
10.

Any suggestions?

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FM 11 ignores my XML Tab Characters

2013-09-12 Thread Ed Nodland

I'm using FM 10, but need to expand capacity and had a co-worker install FM
11.  When we open our .XML files the 	 characters are ignored or
dropped by FM 11. Works fine in FM10.

We installed the 11.0.2.384 patch.  I see an old post on the Abobe forum
about FM 9 using  for a tab, but 0009 works fine for me using FM
10.

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Re: Printing Color Images

Thanks,  With the help and clues from several sources I now understand the
color printing issue, including the Save as PDF In Frame and setting spot
colors in Illustrator.

Ed



On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Heiko Haida  wrote:

> **
>
> Hi Ed,
>
> probably your colors are set to automatically separate to CMYK in
> Illustrator:
>
> If you use a pantone library, all colors here are by default defined as
> CMYK-separating colors, although a pantone value is displayed in the color
> window...
>
> => Set the two colors to "spotcolor" in the color options (swatch
> options). A small dot will then be visible in each color (in the swatches
> palette for the document).
>
> After this, when producing a PDF, set the output option to "no color
> conversion".
>
> The pantone colors will then have their own plates in the pdf as spot
> colors.
>
> Pls see also:
>
> -->
> http://karafintechteam.weebly.com/uploads/7/8/5/3/7853240/spot_color_and_adobe_illustrator.pdf
>
> Best regards
>
> Tino H. Haida, Berlin
>
>
>
>
>
> Ed Nodland:
>
> This seems like it should be simple and done routinely by many others.
>
> I have an image of a flammable substance label.  It has a pantone red, a
> pantone yellow, and black. I want to use the image in a Framemaker document
> that will be sent for commercial printing using "Spot Color" not process
> printing.  How can I accomplish this?
>
> The image is an Illustrator file. I save the file to PDF, load it into
> Frame 10, save the Frame file as PDF, open in acrobat pro and use Advanced
> > Print Production > Output Preview to see that the image is a mix of CMYK
> not my spot pantone colors.
>
> I also suspect that the image saved from Illustrator as a PDF format
> should display the spot colors but it does not. So the problem/solution
> might start there.
>
> Ed Nodland
>
>
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Printing Color Images

Thanks,  With the help and clues from several sources I now understand the
color printing issue, including the Save as PDF In Frame and setting spot
colors in Illustrator.

Ed



On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Heiko Haida  wrote:

> **
>
> Hi Ed,
>
> probably your colors are set to automatically separate to CMYK in
> Illustrator:
>
> If you use a pantone library, all colors here are by default defined as
> CMYK-separating colors, although a pantone value is displayed in the color
> window...
>
> => Set the two colors to "spotcolor" in the color options (swatch
> options). A small dot will then be visible in each color (in the swatches
> palette for the document).
>
> After this, when producing a PDF, set the output option to "no color
> conversion".
>
> The pantone colors will then have their own plates in the pdf as spot
> colors.
>
> Pls see also:
>
> -->
> http://karafintechteam.weebly.com/uploads/7/8/5/3/7853240/spot_color_and_adobe_illustrator.pdf
>
> Best regards
>
> Tino H. Haida, Berlin
>
>
>
>
>
> Ed Nodland:
>
> This seems like it should be simple and done routinely by many others.
>
> I have an image of a flammable substance label.  It has a pantone red, a
> pantone yellow, and black. I want to use the image in a Framemaker document
> that will be sent for commercial printing using "Spot Color" not process
> printing.  How can I accomplish this?
>
> The image is an Illustrator file. I save the file to PDF, load it into
> Frame 10, save the Frame file as PDF, open in acrobat pro and use Advanced
> > Print Production > Output Preview to see that the image is a mix of CMYK
> not my spot pantone colors.
>
> I also suspect that the image saved from Illustrator as a PDF format
> should display the spot colors but it does not. So the problem/solution
> might start there.
>
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Re: Printing Color Images

OK, Save As PDF was the trick.  Thanks.  Now most of the images work fine.
 The rest require a conversion of process to spot color changes in
Illustrator.

On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 7:46 PM, Ed Nodland  wrote:

> This seems like it should be simple and done routinely by many others.
>
> I have an image of a flammable substance label.  It has a pantone red, a
> pantone yellow, and black. I want to use the image in a Framemaker document
> that will be sent for commercial printing using "Spot Color" not process
> printing.  How can I accomplish this?
>
> The image is an Illustrator file. I save the file to PDF, load it into
> Frame 10, save the Frame file as PDF, open in acrobat pro and use Advanced
> > Print Production > Output Preview to see that the image is a mix of CMYK
> not my spot pantone colors.
>
> I also suspect that the image saved from Illustrator as a PDF format
> should display the spot colors but it does not. So the problem/solution
> might start there.
>
> Ed Nodland
>
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OK, Save As PDF was the trick.  Thanks.  Now most of the images work fine.
 The rest require a conversion of process to spot color changes in
Illustrator.


On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 7:46 PM, Ed Nodland  wrote:

> This seems like it should be simple and done routinely by many others.
>
> I have an image of a flammable substance label.  It has a pantone red, a
> pantone yellow, and black. I want to use the image in a Framemaker document
> that will be sent for commercial printing using "Spot Color" not process
> printing.  How can I accomplish this?
>
> The image is an Illustrator file. I save the file to PDF, load it into
> Frame 10, save the Frame file as PDF, open in acrobat pro and use Advanced
> > Print Production > Output Preview to see that the image is a mix of CMYK
> not my spot pantone colors.
>
> I also suspect that the image saved from Illustrator as a PDF format
> should display the spot colors but it does not. So the problem/solution
> might start there.
>
> Ed Nodland
>
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Printing Color Images

This seems like it should be simple and done routinely by many others.

I have an image of a flammable substance label.  It has a pantone red, a
pantone yellow, and black. I want to use the image in a Framemaker document
that will be sent for commercial printing using "Spot Color" not process
printing.  How can I accomplish this?

The image is an Illustrator file. I save the file to PDF, load it into
Frame 10, save the Frame file as PDF, open in acrobat pro and use Advanced
> Print Production > Output Preview to see that the image is a mix of CMYK
not my spot pantone colors.

I also suspect that the image saved from Illustrator as a PDF format should
display the spot colors but it does not. So the problem/solution might
start there.

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2013-09-10 Thread Ed Nodland

This seems like it should be simple and done routinely by many others.

I have an image of a flammable substance label.  It has a pantone red, a
pantone yellow, and black. I want to use the image in a Framemaker document
that will be sent for commercial printing using "Spot Color" not process
printing.  How can I accomplish this?

The image is an Illustrator file. I save the file to PDF, load it into
Frame 10, save the Frame file as PDF, open in acrobat pro and use Advanced
> Print Production > Output Preview to see that the image is a mix of CMYK
not my spot pantone colors.

I also suspect that the image saved from Illustrator as a PDF format should
display the spot colors but it does not. So the problem/solution might
start there.

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Scaling Images

2013-08-14 Thread Ed Nodland

I have 130 images created in Illustrator and saved as PDFs

In my XML I have image tags such as:
  
without the impsize attribute

My Read/Write rules is

element "img" {
  is fm graphic element "mygraphic";
attribute "src" is fm property file;
attribute "width" is fm property width;
attribute "height" is fm property height;
attribute "position" is fm property position;
 }

The images saved as PDF are larger than I want.  I can add impsize
attributes to all of the image tags, but I'll have to be careful to get the
width-height ratio correct.

Question: Is there a scale attribute to define and use or a similar
mechanism.  Or, maybe someone knows how to produce scaled PDF outputs.

Thanks
Ed
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2013-08-14 Thread Ed Nodland

I have 130 images created in Illustrator and saved as PDFs

In my XML I have image tags such as:
  
without the impsize attribute

My Read/Write rules is

element "img" {
  is fm graphic element "mygraphic";
attribute "src" is fm property file;
attribute "width" is fm property width;
attribute "height" is fm property height;
attribute "position" is fm property position;
 }

The images saved as PDF are larger than I want.  I can add impsize
attributes to all of the image tags, but I'll have to be careful to get the
width-height ratio correct.

Question: Is there a scale attribute to define and use or a similar
mechanism.  Or, maybe someone knows how to produce scaled PDF outputs.

Thanks
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Re: FrameMaker 10 Crashes Regularly, is unstructured FrameMaker 11 more stable

2013-08-08 Thread Ed Nodland

FM 9 used to crash on me whenever I had Frame on my second monitor and used
the mouse thumbwheel.  Took me a while to connect the dots on that one.

Point is it can be an obscure cause.

Ed

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> Hi all,
>
> I have been using FM 10 for about 2 years. It seems like FrameMaker will
> randomly crash at least once a day on me. And I do mean crash --- get the
> infamous fatal exception dialog box and then FrameMaker goes kaput. In
> response to the inevitable debug questions:
>
>
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2013-08-07 Thread Ed Nodland

FM 9 used to crash on me whenever I had Frame on my second monitor and used
the mouse thumbwheel.  Took me a while to connect the dots on that one.

Point is it can be an obscure cause.

Ed

On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Joseph Lorenzini  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have been using FM 10 for about 2 years. It seems like FrameMaker will
> randomly crash at least once a day on me. And I do mean crash --- get the
> infamous fatal exception dialog box and then FrameMaker goes kaput. In
> response to the inevitable debug questions:
>
>
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Fonts, Character Sets, Unicode and UTF-8 Explained

2013-07-20 Thread Ed Nodland

 character displays likes Åö it is due to mismatched encoding,
not the font. When a character's codepoint is larger than 127, U+007F, and
is saved to a file as UTF-8 it uses 2 or 3 bytes. If a program such as a
browser, editor or spreadsheet is expecting, reading, and displaying the
data as individual single byte characters data such as ANSI, then the 2
bytes are displayed as if there are 2 characters.  In other words the 16
binary ones and zeros are not decoded incorrectly to represent two or three
characters and the wrong font glyphs are displayed resulting in the Åö looking
stuff.

I am trying to move to using Unicode codepoints, UTF-8 encoding, and a
compatible fonts for everything I do, but its not easy.

When the codepoint for a character creates a problem in one of the storage,
transfer, or processing programs my solution was to use a named entity such
as ≤ for the less-than-equal-to symbol and transform the ≤ to a
character, a character wrapped in a Symbol font, a numeric entitiy for
HTML, or use a Framemaker Read/Write rule.  In the past I also used named
entities for many of the western European characters such as é  Now
that I understand more I no longer need to do that as much.

I still use named entities like ≤ in some of my XML data, but convert
them to Unicode values for Framemaker and HTML product files and use either
the Arial Unicode MS or MS Gothic fonts for those characters.  I could use
the numeric entities in my XML but it makes authoring difficult since
looking at &2264; doesn't tell me what the character is supposed to be as
well as the ≤.  In addition some processes will convert the numeric
entities to the actual character and then subsequent programs might choke
and convert the character to a question mark.  So the conversion to numeric
entities is always near the last step in my processing. My goal is to
someday use every character directly, and have it transfer correctly
between text editors, document and publication editors, spreadsheets,
databases, browsers and book readers.  Some software and operating systems
have to catch up to the Unicode and UTF-8 standard.

I also just learned that in MS Word I can enter a Unicode value like 2264
or 2A81 then press Alt-x and it converts the value to the Unicode character
using the MS Gothic font when required. I also use
http://graphemica.com<http://graphemica.com/%E2%89%A4> to
look up Unicode values by searching for the character, value or name, such
as ∞, 221E, or infinity

Codepoints (a.k.a character values), encoding and fonts cover the first
three parts of the puzzle. Parts 4 and 5 of the "character" puzzle have to
do with file declaration, programming statements, and understanding
software limitations.

An XML UTF-8 file must include the declaration 
A HTML5 UTF-8 file must include 
A HTML4 and XHTML UTF-8 file must include 

And, the files must be *saved as UTF-8* if that is what is intended.

To open and edit HTML files saved as UTF-8 using some text editors the file
must also include the XML declaration described above.  These declarations
tell browsers, editors, and other software what the encoding is or the
program may assume it's encoded as ANSI using one byte for each character.

Many programs will detect the UTF-8 encoding when opening a file, but some
may have to have an option selected.  When saving a file in other than the
native format, such as saving a new text file in TextPad, saving an Excel
spreadsheet as a Tab Delimited file, or copying and pasting from one
program to another special options and setting may have to be specified.
 Writing javascript, Perl, C#, Visual basic or other programs will require
that the files are opened for reading or writing, and then data read and
written using the appropriate options for ANSI, UTF-8 or another encoding
encoding as required.

I use Structured Framemaker to open and produce PDF files for publications
that are maintained as single source XML files. So I can't really make
specific Framemaker .FM encoding recommendations, but I think FM, as of
version 9, saves files as UTF-8 and can support the Unicode character
values.

If single source data is being used for multiple processing streams, then
the source data must be such that it can be transformed to support the
limitations of software, programs, and processes that consume and display
the data.

I think Unicode and UTF-8 encoding are the best standards to use at this
time.  If the hexadecimal numbers like 2A3B are messing with your brain I
can provide some insight on the decimal, binary, hexadecimal, byte, and bit
jargon as well, but I'd probably take it off line since it's not Frame
specific.

Ed Nodland

*Additional References*

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-8

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Unicode_encodings

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Character_encoding
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Fonts, Character Sets, Unicode and UTF-8 Explained

2013-07-20 Thread Ed Nodland

 character displays likes ?? it is due to mismatched encoding,
not the font. When a character's codepoint is larger than 127, U+007F, and
is saved to a file as UTF-8 it uses 2 or 3 bytes. If a program such as a
browser, editor or spreadsheet is expecting, reading, and displaying the
data as individual single byte characters data such as ANSI, then the 2
bytes are displayed as if there are 2 characters.  In other words the 16
binary ones and zeros are not decoded incorrectly to represent two or three
characters and the wrong font glyphs are displayed resulting in the ?? looking
stuff.

I am trying to move to using Unicode codepoints, UTF-8 encoding, and a
compatible fonts for everything I do, but its not easy.

When the codepoint for a character creates a problem in one of the storage,
transfer, or processing programs my solution was to use a named entity such
as ≤ for the less-than-equal-to symbol and transform the ≤ to a
character, a character wrapped in a Symbol font, a numeric entitiy for
HTML, or use a Framemaker Read/Write rule.  In the past I also used named
entities for many of the western European characters such as é  Now
that I understand more I no longer need to do that as much.

I still use named entities like ≤ in some of my XML data, but convert
them to Unicode values for Framemaker and HTML product files and use either
the Arial Unicode MS or MS Gothic fonts for those characters.  I could use
the numeric entities in my XML but it makes authoring difficult since
looking at &2264; doesn't tell me what the character is supposed to be as
well as the ≤.  In addition some processes will convert the numeric
entities to the actual character and then subsequent programs might choke
and convert the character to a question mark.  So the conversion to numeric
entities is always near the last step in my processing. My goal is to
someday use every character directly, and have it transfer correctly
between text editors, document and publication editors, spreadsheets,
databases, browsers and book readers.  Some software and operating systems
have to catch up to the Unicode and UTF-8 standard.

I also just learned that in MS Word I can enter a Unicode value like 2264
or 2A81 then press Alt-x and it converts the value to the Unicode character
using the MS Gothic font when required. I also use
http://graphemica.com<http://graphemica.com/%E2%89%A4> to
look up Unicode values by searching for the character, value or name, such
as ?, 221E, or infinity

Codepoints (a.k.a character values), encoding and fonts cover the first
three parts of the puzzle. Parts 4 and 5 of the "character" puzzle have to
do with file declaration, programming statements, and understanding
software limitations.

An XML UTF-8 file must include the declaration 
A HTML5 UTF-8 file must include 
A HTML4 and XHTML UTF-8 file must include 

And, the files must be *saved as UTF-8* if that is what is intended.

To open and edit HTML files saved as UTF-8 using some text editors the file
must also include the XML declaration described above.  These declarations
tell browsers, editors, and other software what the encoding is or the
program may assume it's encoded as ANSI using one byte for each character.

Many programs will detect the UTF-8 encoding when opening a file, but some
may have to have an option selected.  When saving a file in other than the
native format, such as saving a new text file in TextPad, saving an Excel
spreadsheet as a Tab Delimited file, or copying and pasting from one
program to another special options and setting may have to be specified.
 Writing javascript, Perl, C#, Visual basic or other programs will require
that the files are opened for reading or writing, and then data read and
written using the appropriate options for ANSI, UTF-8 or another encoding
encoding as required.

I use Structured Framemaker to open and produce PDF files for publications
that are maintained as single source XML files. So I can't really make
specific Framemaker .FM encoding recommendations, but I think FM, as of
version 9, saves files as UTF-8 and can support the Unicode character
values.

If single source data is being used for multiple processing streams, then
the source data must be such that it can be transformed to support the
limitations of software, programs, and processes that consume and display
the data.

I think Unicode and UTF-8 encoding are the best standards to use at this
time.  If the hexadecimal numbers like 2A3B are messing with your brain I
can provide some insight on the decimal, binary, hexadecimal, byte, and bit
jargon as well, but I'd probably take it off line since it's not Frame
specific.

Ed Nodland

*Additional References*

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-8

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Unicode_encodings

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Character_encoding
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Re: Custom Ruling and Shading of Tables via xml and EDD rules

2013-07-11 Thread Ed Nodland

Thanks Roger,

This sets me on the right track, and that is all I needed.

I will look up the properties, use XSLT to transform the class values to a
set of attributes that I can map to FM properties in the R/W Rules file.
 This is all simple and routine for us to do here.   I agree with what you
said, the exact syntax [of the FM properties] is not always easily found.
 I have the "Structure Application Developer's Guide" right here in front
of me.

On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 1:05 AM, Roger Shuttleworth wrote:

> Hi Ed
>
> * * * * *
>
> 4. Write read-write rules that map the attributes and their values to the
> FM properties and their values.
>
> * * * * *

>
> Roger
>
> Repatriated to the UK
>
>
> * * * * *
>>
>> I do not see a "Custom Ruling and Shading" EDD Rule that allows ruling
>> and shading to be defined for a cell based on a Context Rule such as
>> [class="cheader"].
>>
>> _Am I missing something?_
>>
>> * * * * *
>> _Any suggestions?_
>> _
>> _
>>   Ed Nodland
>>
>>
>>
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2013-07-10 Thread Ed Nodland

Thanks Roger,

This sets me on the right track, and that is all I needed.

I will look up the properties, use XSLT to transform the class values to a
set of attributes that I can map to FM properties in the R/W Rules file.
 This is all simple and routine for us to do here.   I agree with what you
said, the exact syntax [of the FM properties] is not always easily found.
 I have the "Structure Application Developer's Guide" right here in front
of me.

On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 1:05 AM, Roger Shuttleworth wrote:

> Hi Ed
>
> * * * * *
>
> 4. Write read-write rules that map the attributes and their values to the
> FM properties and their values.
>
> * * * * *

>
> Roger
>
> Repatriated to the UK
>
>
> * * * * *
>>
>> I do not see a "Custom Ruling and Shading" EDD Rule that allows ruling
>> and shading to be defined for a cell based on a Context Rule such as
>> [class="cheader"].
>>
>> _Am I missing something?_
>>
>> * * * * *
>> _Any suggestions?_
>> _
>> _
>>   Ed Nodland
>>
>>
>>
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Custom Ruling and Shading of Tables via xml and EDD rules

2013-07-09 Thread Ed Nodland

I have XML files that include tables.  Some cells include a class such as:
 Centered text with gray shading
 Left justified text with gray shading
 Centered text not shaded
 Left justified text not shaded

I want to be able to open the XML file using FM10 and have the cells
formatted.

I do not see a "Custom Ruling and Shading" EDD Rule that allows ruling and
shading to be defined for a cell based on a Context Rule such as
[class="cheader"].

*Am I missing something?*

It appears that using the table format styles are limited to an orderly set
of rulings and shadings rather than being totally custom or XML attribute
driven for specific rows or cells.

I can change the markup or take a totally different approach but I nered
the format to be driven by the XML data not manual activity in Framemaker
aftrer opening the XML file..

*Any suggestions?*
*
*
 Ed Nodland
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Custom Ruling and Shading of Tables via xml and EDD rules

2013-07-09 Thread Ed Nodland

I have XML files that include tables.  Some cells include a class such as:
 Centered text with gray shading
 Left justified text with gray shading
 Centered text not shaded
 Left justified text not shaded

I want to be able to open the XML file using FM10 and have the cells
formatted.

I do not see a "Custom Ruling and Shading" EDD Rule that allows ruling and
shading to be defined for a cell based on a Context Rule such as
[class="cheader"].

*Am I missing something?*

It appears that using the table format styles are limited to an orderly set
of rulings and shadings rather than being totally custom or XML attribute
driven for specific rows or cells.

I can change the markup or take a totally different approach but I nered
the format to be driven by the XML data not manual activity in Framemaker
aftrer opening the XML file..

*Any suggestions?*
*
*
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Re: Embarrasing simple question - identifying current style

2013-06-28 Thread Ed Nodland

Place the cursor, Click format, hover over the drop down options, and wait
a short moment.  A popup will show a check mark next to the Font, Size,
Style, Character, or Paragraph as you hover over them.  Or click format,
(Character or Paragraph), and the Designer, and the Designer panel will
come up with the style that is applied to the text at the cursor location.

Ed

On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 6:54 AM, Alastair Dent wrote:

>
> We are now moving our documentation to Frame 11.
>
> ** One very basic task eludes me; how do I tell what style has been
> assigned to the selected text (or the paragraph where I’ve placed the
> insertion cursor)?
>
> ** **
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Embarrasing simple question - identifying current style

2013-06-28 Thread Ed Nodland

Place the cursor, Click format, hover over the drop down options, and wait
a short moment.  A popup will show a check mark next to the Font, Size,
Style, Character, or Paragraph as you hover over them.  Or click format,
(Character or Paragraph), and the Designer, and the Designer panel will
come up with the style that is applied to the text at the cursor location.

Ed

On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 6:54 AM, Alastair Dent wrote:

>
> We are now moving our documentation to Frame 11.
>
> ** One very basic task eludes me; how do I tell what style has been
> assigned to the selected text (or the paragraph where I?ve placed the
> insertion cursor)?
>
> ** **
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Re: Query about what happens in structured Frame

2013-06-17 Thread Ed Nodland

Theresa,

I remember learning Frame for the first time in 2006. Many long days at the
PC that summer.  I went straight into structured Frame to print large
(1,200 page) XML documents to PDF for commercial printing. These documents
were already being transformed to HTML and another CD publishing format
called Folio Views that we have used since 1990.  I've slowly learned many
of the unstructured basics over the years, but it's mostly just open the
file in Frame, make a few image, table and page numbering adjustments and
click print.  If you are not familiar with XML, DTD, XHTML, XSLT, CSS, EDD
and Read/Write rules what you may need is a "concept" overview. Myself, I
find it difficult to request help or oversee a project if the terminology
does not fit together in my mind and flow off of my tongue freely.

We author, track, and translate documents using an in-house application
that stores the content in a SQL Server database. The data is exported out
of the database to a single XML file and transformed to XHTML for web
publishing, or opened directly into Frame and printed to a PDF file for
commercial printing of hardcopy books.

I am not looking for work and don't have time to teach you the details, but
I am willing to connect via a meeting app and show you the components of
the DB to XML/HTML to Frame process.

Ed Nodland

On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Theresa de Valence  wrote:

> Hello Framers,
>
> I’m in need of some basic advice. I’ve been using Frame for >20 years but
> have not yet used structured Frame. My Frame is 8.0p273, Acrobat
> Professional is 10.1.7
>
>
>
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Query about what happens in structured Frame

2013-06-15 Thread Ed Nodland

Theresa,

I remember learning Frame for the first time in 2006. Many long days at the
PC that summer.  I went straight into structured Frame to print large
(1,200 page) XML documents to PDF for commercial printing. These documents
were already being transformed to HTML and another CD publishing format
called Folio Views that we have used since 1990.  I've slowly learned many
of the unstructured basics over the years, but it's mostly just open the
file in Frame, make a few image, table and page numbering adjustments and
click print.  If you are not familiar with XML, DTD, XHTML, XSLT, CSS, EDD
and Read/Write rules what you may need is a "concept" overview. Myself, I
find it difficult to request help or oversee a project if the terminology
does not fit together in my mind and flow off of my tongue freely.

We author, track, and translate documents using an in-house application
that stores the content in a SQL Server database. The data is exported out
of the database to a single XML file and transformed to XHTML for web
publishing, or opened directly into Frame and printed to a PDF file for
commercial printing of hardcopy books.

I am not looking for work and don't have time to teach you the details, but
I am willing to connect via a meeting app and show you the components of
the DB to XML/HTML to Frame process.

Ed Nodland

On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Theresa de Valence  wrote:

> Hello Framers,
>
> I?m in need of some basic advice. I?ve been using Frame for >20 years but
> have not yet used structured Frame. My Frame is 8.0p273, Acrobat
> Professional is 10.1.7
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OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-14 Thread Ed Nodland

I think my response is far from the mission of this forum but the statement
below just hooked me, it is also a nice diversion from the daily work to
read all the responses, and I bet our thoughts trickle back into Adobe.

A previous post said:

"The problem with customers is that they cost money to do business with."

Am I taking this out of context, or should I have it turned into a banner
that hangs near the front door or cash register.

"The cost of customer management has a negative effect on share value."

I think it depends on a companies mission statement and core values.  Are
they still passionate about the product or service, or is has it become
just about the money.  I realize both forces at play and balance is
required to sustain business.

A new business model is emerging.  I've read a lot of pros and cons on this
thread. Some will prove to be real, adjustments will be made, business will
grow, decline or maybe fail.  In the perspective of things unfolding from
the creativity of the cosmos, I see this as another iteration towards cloud
computing, but rather than stepping to total cloud computing like Google
Docs/Drive where we don't have the software at all, it's just cloud
"software delivery" for now.  It is a systemic result that emerges from
individuals trying to make isolated business decisions based on, or
building on, ideas they see elsewhere.

I'm actually more interested in watching the open source concept grow into
an entirely new economy where the passion is about the product and the
money comes from some other offshoot, or like someone wrote about Oxygen
where the academic license allows some small scale usage while the money
comes in from other larger sources.  I think the economy is going to change
in the next 50 years in ways we can't even image due to the connectiveness
of the internet and access to free and low cost entertainment, education,
information, apps, and services.

I bet the large companies that highly control software versions like a
large aerospace firm I used to work for, medical device companies that
Craig mentioned, or other safety critical product companies, are going to
be busy figuring out how to work in this new model.

Ed
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OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

2013-05-13 Thread Ed Nodland

I think my response is far from the mission of this forum but the statement
below just hooked me, it is also a nice diversion from the daily work to
read all the responses, and I bet our thoughts trickle back into Adobe.

A previous post said:

"The problem with customers is that they cost money to do business with."

Am I taking this out of context, or should I have it turned into a banner
that hangs near the front door or cash register.

"The cost of customer management has a negative effect on share value."

I think it depends on a companies mission statement and core values. Are
they still passionate about the product or service, or is has it become
just about the money. I realize both forces at play and balance is
required to sustain business.

A new business model is emerging. I've read a lot of pros and cons on this
thread. Some will prove to be real, adjustments will be made, business will
grow, decline or maybe fail. In the perspective of things unfolding from
the creativity of the cosmos, I see this as another iteration towards cloud
computing, but rather than stepping to total cloud computing like Google
Docs/Drive where we don't have the software at all, it's just cloud
"software delivery" for now. It is a systemic result that emerges from
individuals trying to make isolated business decisions based on, or
building on, ideas they see elsewhere.

I'm actually more interested in watching the open source concept grow into
an entirely new economy where the passion is about the product and the
money comes from some other offshoot, or like someone wrote about Oxygen
where the academic license allows some small scale usage while the money
comes in from other larger sources. I think the economy is going to change
in the next 50 years in ways we can't even image due to the connectiveness
of the internet and access to free and low cost entertainment, education,
information, apps, and services.

I bet the large companies that highly control software versions like a
large aerospace firm I used to work for, medical device companies that
Craig mentioned, or other safety critical product companies, are going to
be busy figuring out how to work in this new model.

Ed
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Re: Where on Adobe is the info/link to renew my maintenance contract for FrameMaker?

2013-03-21 Thread Ed Nodland

If the problem you are having is the "license" expired" bug this web page
will provide the patch to correct the problem.

http://helpx.adobe.com/framemaker/kb/cant-launch-framemaker-10.html

Ed





On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Matt Sullivan wrote:

> Here's the web page I was directed to…
> http://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/policy-pricing/avl-help.html
>
>
> -Matt
> Matt R. Sullivan
> *co-author Publishing Fundamentals: Unstructured FrameMaker 
> 11<http://framemaker11book.com/>
> *
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> On Mar 21, 2013, at 11:19 AM, "Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)"
>  wrote:
>
> Thanks, Matt.
>
> The last time I did this, I bought it at the Adobe web site (no vendors
> involved) …
>
> I did, indeed, go to licensing.adobe.com and log in, but for some reason,
> I cannot find the link to get to the renewal page for paying for it, etc.*
> ***
>
> Could it be a stupid browser issue? Meaning that I have to use IE or some
> such thing? This has happened to me recently with some other sites (I use
> Chrome) and getting to the links to pay and have the Javascript run
> properly needed to get there from IE!
>
> Z
>
> *From:* Matt Sullivan [mailto:m...@mattrsullivan.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 21, 2013 11:07 AM
> *To:* Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
> *Cc:* framers@lists.frameusers.com
> *Subject:* Re: Where on Adobe is the info/link to renew my maintenance
> contract for FrameMaker?
> ** **
> Hi Z,
>
>- Can you contact the vendor you used to purchase the contract?
>- I get notices from Adobe directly to update the contract…did you get
>the same?
>- Did you log into licensing.adobe.com?
>
>
> -Matt
> *Matt R. Sullivan*
>
> *co-author Publishing Fundamentals: Unstructured FrameMaker 
> 11<http://framemaker11book.com/>
> *
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>  wrote:
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>
> 
>
> Hi, all.
>  
> For some reason, I am unable to find the link and information for renewing
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>  
> Maybe I am overlooking something obvious, but if anybody (Adobe personnel
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>  
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Where on Adobe is the info/link to renew my maintenance contract for FrameMaker?

2013-03-21 Thread Ed Nodland

If the problem you are having is the "license" expired" bug this web page
will provide the patch to correct the problem.

http://helpx.adobe.com/framemaker/kb/cant-launch-framemaker-10.html

Ed





On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Matt Sullivan wrote:

> Here's the web page I was directed to?
> http://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/policy-pricing/avl-help.html
>
>
> -Matt
> Matt R. Sullivan
> *co-author Publishing Fundamentals: Unstructured FrameMaker 
> 11<http://framemaker11book.com/>
> *
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> On Mar 21, 2013, at 11:19 AM, "Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)"
>  wrote:
>
> Thanks, Matt.
>
> The last time I did this, I bought it at the Adobe web site (no vendors
> involved) ?
>
> I did, indeed, go to licensing.adobe.com and log in, but for some reason,
> I cannot find the link to get to the renewal page for paying for it, etc.*
> ***
>
> Could it be a stupid browser issue? Meaning that I have to use IE or some
> such thing? This has happened to me recently with some other sites (I use
> Chrome) and getting to the links to pay and have the Javascript run
> properly needed to get there from IE!
>
> Z
>
> *From:* Matt Sullivan [mailto:matt at mattrsullivan.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 21, 2013 11:07 AM
> *To:* Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)
> *Cc:* framers at lists.frameusers.com
> *Subject:* Re: Where on Adobe is the info/link to renew my maintenance
> contract for FrameMaker?
> ** **
> Hi Z,
>
>- Can you contact the vendor you used to purchase the contract?
>- I get notices from Adobe directly to update the contract?did you get
>the same?
>- Did you log into licensing.adobe.com?
>
>
> -Matt
> *Matt R. Sullivan*
>
> *co-author Publishing Fundamentals: Unstructured FrameMaker 
> 11<http://framemaker11book.com/>
> *
> *P:* 714.960.6840 | *C:* 714.585.2335 | matt at mattrsullivan.com
>
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>  wrote:
>
>
> 
>
> Hi, all.
>  
> For some reason, I am unable to find the link and information for renewing
> my maintenance for FrameMaker and Acrobat at the Adobe.comweb site.
>  
> Maybe I am overlooking something obvious, but if anybody (Adobe personnel
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Frame versus XSL-FO

2013-03-01 Thread Ed Nodland

Well, it sounds like the jury is in, and it does not look good for FO


On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Scott Prentice  wrote:

>  Hi Ed...
>
> Yes .. the cost is definitely related to the complexity. If you have FO
> developers in-house, that will help a lot. The key is that you need a solid
> understanding of XSLT, plus you need to fully understand page layout
> concepts, and on top of that the FO language itself is huge and complex. If
> you want to learn FO, I highly recommend finding a way to take Ken Holman's
> class "Practical Formatting Using XSL-FO" (see
> http://www.cranesoftwrights.com/). This will give you a good solid base
> from which to start.
>
> A lot of XSLT developers think that they can also do FO development.
> That's where you run into trouble. There's a lot more involved.
>
> However .. regardless of your ability to create and maintain FO
> stylesheets, you can never achieve the same level of formatting with FO
> that you get from FM. You can get close, and if close is good enough (along
> with other benefits of FO), then FO can be a good solution.
>
> Cheers,
>
> ...scott
>
>
>  On 2/27/13 12:12 PM, Ed Nodland wrote:
>
> These are good inputs.
>
>  The "site:" for searching was new to me.  Thanks
>
>  I think I will stay with Framemaker and upgrade to version 11.  I hope
> Adobe improves the stability and UI issues as time goes on.
>
>  I am curious if the high cost of XSL-FO development is due to FO being
> more difficult then basic XSLT.  We program many XSLTs, some are complex
> that merge data from multiple XML files that contain coded data in tables,
> tables of descriptions of the coded data, header data, etc.  XSLT becomes a
> powerful programming language for text processing if it is written
> recursively like the old LISP language.  I agree this can be daunting, but
> maybe I could eat FO for breakfast.  I'll have to looking to it further
> when due dates don't get in my way.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Combs, Richard <
> richard.combs at polycom.com> wrote:
>
>>  Harro de Jong wrote:
>>
>> > > Also, I could not find the search capability on frameusers.com to
>> search
>> > older topics
>> > > by keyword other then the archive that looks like something out of
>> the 90's.
>> >  Am I
>> > > missing some capability somewhere?
>> >
>> >
>> > I use the search at
>> > < http://www.mail-archive.com/framers at lists.frameusers.com/info.html>
>>
>>  I use Google:  site:frameusers.com
>>
>> Richard G. Combs
>> Senior Technical Writer
>> Polycom, Inc.
>> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
>> 303-223-5111
>> --
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>> 303-903-6372
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Re: Frame versus XSL-FO

2013-02-28 Thread Ed Nodland

These are good inputs.

The "site:" for searching was new to me.  Thanks

I think I will stay with Framemaker and upgrade to version 11.  I hope
Adobe improves the stability and UI issues as time goes on.

I am curious if the high cost of XSL-FO development is due to FO being more
difficult then basic XSLT.  We program many XSLTs, some are complex that
merge data from multiple XML files that contain coded data in tables,
tables of descriptions of the coded data, header data, etc.  XSLT becomes a
powerful programming language for text processing if it is written
recursively like the old LISP language.  I agree this can be daunting, but
maybe I could eat FO for breakfast.  I'll have to looking to it further
when due dates don't get in my way.

On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Combs, Richard
wrote:

> Harro de Jong wrote:
>
> > > Also, I could not find the search capability on frameusers.com to
> search
> > older topics
> > > by keyword other then the archive that looks like something out of the
> 90's.
> >  Am I
> > > missing some capability somewhere?
> >
> >
> > I use the search at
> > < http://www.mail-archive.com/framers@lists.frameusers.com/info.html>
>
> I use Google:  site:frameusers.com
>
> Richard G. Combs
> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
> 303-223-5111
> --
> rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
> 303-903-6372
> --
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Frame versus XSL-FO

2013-02-27 Thread Ed Nodland

These are good inputs.

The "site:" for searching was new to me.  Thanks

I think I will stay with Framemaker and upgrade to version 11.  I hope
Adobe improves the stability and UI issues as time goes on.

I am curious if the high cost of XSL-FO development is due to FO being more
difficult then basic XSLT.  We program many XSLTs, some are complex that
merge data from multiple XML files that contain coded data in tables,
tables of descriptions of the coded data, header data, etc.  XSLT becomes a
powerful programming language for text processing if it is written
recursively like the old LISP language.  I agree this can be daunting, but
maybe I could eat FO for breakfast.  I'll have to looking to it further
when due dates don't get in my way.

On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Combs, Richard
wrote:

> Harro de Jong wrote:
>
> > > Also, I could not find the search capability on frameusers.com to
> search
> > older topics
> > > by keyword other then the archive that looks like something out of the
> 90's.
> >  Am I
> > > missing some capability somewhere?
> >
> >
> > I use the search at
> > < http://www.mail-archive.com/framers at lists.frameusers.com/info.html>
>
> I use Google:  site:frameusers.com
>
> Richard G. Combs
> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
> 303-223-5111
> --
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> 303-903-6372
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2013-02-26 Thread Ed Nodland

I have been using Framemaker to produce two 1000 page publications every
October since 2006.  Now I am faced with two issues.

1) Clean up my XML, EDD and template file for full round trip capabilities;
and
2) Convert to a DITA structure prior to adding several other publications

The DITA community is leaning towards an editopr like OxygenXML and using
XSL-FO and a rendering package such as RenderX or Antenna House to produce
the PDF.

*I am interested in any opinions*.

Also, I could not find the search capability on frameusers.com to search
older topics by keyword other then the archive that looks like something
out of the 90's.  Am I missing some capability somewhere?

Thanks
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Frame versus XSL-FO

2013-02-25 Thread Ed Nodland

I have been using Framemaker to produce two 1000 page publications every
October since 2006.  Now I am faced with two issues.

1) Clean up my XML, EDD and template file for full round trip capabilities;
and
2) Convert to a DITA structure prior to adding several other publications

The DITA community is leaning towards an editopr like OxygenXML and using
XSL-FO and a rendering package such as RenderX or Antenna House to produce
the PDF.

*I am interested in any opinions*.

Also, I could not find the search capability on frameusers.com to search
older topics by keyword other then the archive that looks like something
out of the 90's.  Am I missing some capability somewhere?

Thanks
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Re: Tables in rotated text frames unselectable?

2012-12-21 Thread Ed Nodland

In FM10 you can select Format > Customize Layout > Rotate {Clock/Counter}
 then do your editing.

Ed
San Diego Data Services


On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 9:35 PM, Christoph Korsmeier <
christoph.korsme...@werktext.eu> wrote:

> **
>  Hi everybody,
>
> I've designed an FM10 masterpage with a rotated text flow (90° ccw).
> (The client wanted to accomodate large landscape tables in a portrait
> document).
>
> Now when I apply this rotated masterpage to a body page, the tables on it
> can only be selected "whole", e.g. I can't select single rows, cells, or
> text inside them.
> This is the same in structured and unstructured documents.
> I can select single row, cell and text elements using the structure view,
> but nothing otherwise.
>
> Is this a known bug in FrameMaker 10?
> Am I missing something else?
> Can anything be done to get it to work properly?
>
> Best regards
> i. A. Christoph Korsmeier
>
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Tables in rotated text frames unselectable?

2012-12-21 Thread Ed Nodland

In FM10 you can select Format > Customize Layout > Rotate {Clock/Counter}
 then do your editing.

Ed
San Diego Data Services


On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 9:35 PM, Christoph Korsmeier <
christoph.korsmeier at werktext.eu> wrote:

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>  Hi everybody,
>
> I've designed an FM10 masterpage with a rotated text flow (90? ccw).
> (The client wanted to accomodate large landscape tables in a portrait
> document).
>
> Now when I apply this rotated masterpage to a body page, the tables on it
> can only be selected "whole", e.g. I can't select single rows, cells, or
> text inside them.
> This is the same in structured and unstructured documents.
> I can select single row, cell and text elements using the structure view,
> but nothing otherwise.
>
> Is this a known bug in FrameMaker 10?
> Am I missing something else?
> Can anything be done to get it to work properly?
>
> Best regards
> i. A. Christoph Korsmeier
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framers Digest, Vol 81, Issue 24

2012-07-24 Thread Ed Lightle

Hi, Kate.

For years, I have used unstructured FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher to 
generate online help (context-sensitive) and printed manuals from the same 
FrameMaker source files.  I like it because I don't have to worry about CSS's, 
just map my FrameMaker paragraph tags to WebWorks styles.  I know that doesn't 
help with your immediate problem but I just wanted you to know that the 
Frame/Webworks option is out there.

Cheers,

Ed Lightle
Sr. Technical Writer
614-799-0600 Ext. 5225

Command Alkon
5168 Blazer Parkway | Dublin, Ohio 43017-1339
Tel: +1 (614) 799-6650 ?Ext. 1222 | www.commandalkon.com

Message: 1
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 09:36:21 -0400
From: Katelyn Cummings 
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Single sourcing in the new TCS3
Message-ID: <500D5355.1030107 at terrasim.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Hello Framers!

I work for a relatively small company, and unfortunately I am relatively new to 
both RoboHelp and FrameMaker. My company wants to switch to having our online 
help and our user's manual to be essentially the same. 
They have thought about using the single sourcing available in TCS2. I have 
been having some problems with the single sourcing and wanted to see if anyone 
has had similar problems.

1) So, first of all, is anyone out there using the interactive linking to 
single source between FrameMaker and RoboHelp? And if so, what kind of problems 
have you run into? I have run into issues with formatting. 
Sometimes it just does not accept the CSS I have written even though I know the 
code is fine. I also have had problems with pictures as well as issues with the 
links crossing over. Is this a problem with the stylesheets, which I have had 
difficulty editing? Or is it a problem with how the original FrameMaker 
documents were created? Am I just an inexperienced user?  I realize you do not 
know for sure because you are not here with me, but if you had any insights 
about known issues or common problems with the single sourcing, that would be 
helpful.

2) Has anyone switch from TCS2 to TCS3 or TCS3.5 for single sourcing purposes 
and if so, why? I have been trying to determine the pros and cons, but as far 
as I can tell, there is not a lot of enhanced capability.

Any help that you all could give me would be very much appreciated.

Best,
Kate

-- 


Katelyn Cummings
Corporate Communications   TerraSim, Inc.
One Gateway Center, Suite 2050 (412) 232-3646  EXT 23
420 Fort Duquesne Blvd (412) 232-3649 (FAX)
Pittsburgh, PA 15222   krc at terrasim.com
http://www.terrasim.com
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RE: framers Digest, Vol 81, Issue 24

2012-07-24 Thread Ed Lightle

Hi, Kate.

For years, I have used unstructured FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher to 
generate online help (context-sensitive) and printed manuals from the same 
FrameMaker source files.  I like it because I don't have to worry about CSS's, 
just map my FrameMaker paragraph tags to WebWorks styles.  I know that doesn't 
help with your immediate problem but I just wanted you to know that the 
Frame/Webworks option is out there.

Cheers,

Ed Lightle
Sr. Technical Writer
614-799-0600 Ext. 5225

Command Alkon
5168 Blazer Parkway | Dublin, Ohio 43017-1339
Tel: +1 (614) 799-6650  Ext. 1222 | www.commandalkon.com

Message: 1
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 09:36:21 -0400
From: Katelyn Cummings 
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Single sourcing in the new TCS3
Message-ID: <500d5355.1030...@terrasim.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Hello Framers!

I work for a relatively small company, and unfortunately I am relatively new to 
both RoboHelp and FrameMaker. My company wants to switch to having our online 
help and our user's manual to be essentially the same. 
They have thought about using the single sourcing available in TCS2. I have 
been having some problems with the single sourcing and wanted to see if anyone 
has had similar problems.

1) So, first of all, is anyone out there using the interactive linking to 
single source between FrameMaker and RoboHelp? And if so, what kind of problems 
have you run into? I have run into issues with formatting. 
Sometimes it just does not accept the CSS I have written even though I know the 
code is fine. I also have had problems with pictures as well as issues with the 
links crossing over. Is this a problem with the stylesheets, which I have had 
difficulty editing? Or is it a problem with how the original FrameMaker 
documents were created? Am I just an inexperienced user?  I realize you do not 
know for sure because you are not here with me, but if you had any insights 
about known issues or common problems with the single sourcing, that would be 
helpful.

2) Has anyone switch from TCS2 to TCS3 or TCS3.5 for single sourcing purposes 
and if so, why? I have been trying to determine the pros and cons, but as far 
as I can tell, there is not a lot of enhanced capability.

Any help that you all could give me would be very much appreciated.

Best,
Kate

-- 


Katelyn Cummings
Corporate Communications   TerraSim, Inc.
One Gateway Center, Suite 2050 (412) 232-3646  EXT 23
420 Fort Duquesne Blvd (412) 232-3649 (FAX)
Pittsburgh, PA 15222   k...@terrasim.com
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Turkish Characters Don't Display

Rick,
I'm still using FrameMaker 7.0.

Thanks,
Ed

From: Rick Quatro [mailto:r...@rickquatro.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 11:55 AM
To: Ed Lightle; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Turkish Characters Don't Display

Hi Ed,

What version of FrameMaker are you using? FrameMaker 8 and above supports 
Unicode. If you are using FrameMaker 8 or above, you should use a translator 
that at least matches your version.

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-283-5045
585-219-8959 fax
rick at frameexpert.com<mailto:rick at frameexpert.com>
http://www.frameexpert.com

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com]<mailto:[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]> On 
Behalf Of Ed Lightle
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 11:40 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: RE: Turkish Characters Don't Display

Here is some more information from my translator.

- FrameMaker 7.1
- Windows Vista Home Premium

- Turkish text is being transfered from TTX (Trados) format to MIF. The 
characters get lost in the transfer. We found a font called Arial TUR for FM. 
Once we have the text in MIF, we change the font to Arial TUR and it is working.

- Destination paragraph style font is Arial TUR. Check and see that you have 
Arial TUR in your list of fonts for FM.

Thanks,
Ed Lightle

From: Ed Lightle
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 8:07 AM
To: 'framers at lists.frameusers.com'
Subject: Turkish Characters Don't Display

Hello.  My translation vendor is using FrameMaker to translate English 
documents to Turkish.  But he has the following problem:

I am transferring Turkish text to the FrameMaker file, and I am losing some 
Turkish characters.  For example, the "?" in the word "de?ildir".

Any idea why this is happening?

Thanks,

Ed Lightle
Sr. Technical Writer
614-799-0600 Ext. 5225

Command Alkon
5168 Blazer Parkway | Dublin, Ohio 43017-1339
Tel: +1 (614) 799-6650  Ext. 1222 | 
www.commandalkon.com<http://www.commandalkon.com/>
Connect With Us: Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/cmdalkon> | 
Twitter<http://www.twitter.com/cmdalkon> | Google+<http://gplus.to/cmdalkon>
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Turkish Characters Don't Display

Here is some more information from my translator.

- FrameMaker 7.1
- Windows Vista Home Premium

- Turkish text is being transfered from TTX (Trados) format to MIF. The 
characters get lost in the transfer. We found a font called Arial TUR for FM. 
Once we have the text in MIF, we change the font to Arial TUR and it is working.

- Destination paragraph style font is Arial TUR. Check and see that you have 
Arial TUR in your list of fonts for FM.

Thanks,
Ed Lightle

From: Ed Lightle
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 8:07 AM
To: 'framers at lists.frameusers.com'
Subject: Turkish Characters Don't Display

Hello.  My translation vendor is using FrameMaker to translate English 
documents to Turkish.  But he has the following problem:

I am transferring Turkish text to the FrameMaker file, and I am losing some 
Turkish characters.  For example, the "?" in the word "de?ildir".

Any idea why this is happening?

Thanks,

Ed Lightle
Sr. Technical Writer
614-799-0600 Ext. 5225

Command Alkon
5168 Blazer Parkway | Dublin, Ohio 43017-1339
Tel: +1 (614) 799-6650  Ext. 1222 | 
www.commandalkon.com<http://www.commandalkon.com/>
Connect With Us: Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/cmdalkon> | 
Twitter<http://www.twitter.com/cmdalkon> | Google+<http://gplus.to/cmdalkon>
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Turkish Characters Don't Display

Hello.  My translation vendor is using FrameMaker to translate English 
documents to Turkish.  But he has the following problem:

I am transferring Turkish text to the FrameMaker file, and I am losing some 
Turkish characters.  For example, the "?" in the word "de?ildir".

Any idea why this is happening?

Thanks,

Ed Lightle
Sr. Technical Writer
614-799-0600 Ext. 5225

Command Alkon
5168 Blazer Parkway | Dublin, Ohio 43017-1339
Tel: +1 (614) 799-6650  Ext. 1222 | 
www.commandalkon.com<http://www.commandalkon.com/>
Connect With Us: Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/cmdalkon> | 
Twitter<http://www.twitter.com/cmdalkon> | Google+<http://gplus.to/cmdalkon>
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RE: Turkish Characters Don't Display

Rick,
I'm still using FrameMaker 7.0.

Thanks,
Ed

From: Rick Quatro [mailto:r...@rickquatro.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 11:55 AM
To: Ed Lightle; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Turkish Characters Don't Display

Hi Ed,

What version of FrameMaker are you using? FrameMaker 8 and above supports 
Unicode. If you are using FrameMaker 8 or above, you should use a translator 
that at least matches your version.

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-283-5045
585-219-8959 fax
r...@frameexpert.com<mailto:r...@frameexpert.com>
http://www.frameexpert.com

From: 
framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com>

[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]<mailto:[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]>
 On Behalf Of Ed Lightle
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 11:40 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: RE: Turkish Characters Don't Display

Here is some more information from my translator.

- FrameMaker 7.1
- Windows Vista Home Premium

- Turkish text is being transfered from TTX (Trados) format to MIF. The 
characters get lost in the transfer. We found a font called Arial TUR for FM. 
Once we have the text in MIF, we change the font to Arial TUR and it is working.

- Destination paragraph style font is Arial TUR. Check and see that you have 
Arial TUR in your list of fonts for FM.

Thanks,
Ed Lightle

From: Ed Lightle
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 8:07 AM
To: 'framers@lists.frameusers.com'
Subject: Turkish Characters Don't Display

Hello.  My translation vendor is using FrameMaker to translate English 
documents to Turkish.  But he has the following problem:

I am transferring Turkish text to the FrameMaker file, and I am losing some 
Turkish characters.  For example, the "ğ" in the word "değildir".

Any idea why this is happening?

Thanks,

Ed Lightle
Sr. Technical Writer
614-799-0600 Ext. 5225

Command Alkon
5168 Blazer Parkway | Dublin, Ohio 43017-1339
Tel: +1 (614) 799-6650  Ext. 1222 | 
www.commandalkon.com<http://www.commandalkon.com/>
Connect With Us: Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/cmdalkon> | 
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RE: Turkish Characters Don't Display

Here is some more information from my translator.

- FrameMaker 7.1
- Windows Vista Home Premium

- Turkish text is being transfered from TTX (Trados) format to MIF. The 
characters get lost in the transfer. We found a font called Arial TUR for FM. 
Once we have the text in MIF, we change the font to Arial TUR and it is working.

- Destination paragraph style font is Arial TUR. Check and see that you have 
Arial TUR in your list of fonts for FM.

Thanks,
Ed Lightle

From: Ed Lightle
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 8:07 AM
To: 'framers@lists.frameusers.com'
Subject: Turkish Characters Don't Display

Hello.  My translation vendor is using FrameMaker to translate English 
documents to Turkish.  But he has the following problem:

I am transferring Turkish text to the FrameMaker file, and I am losing some 
Turkish characters.  For example, the "ğ" in the word "değildir".

Any idea why this is happening?

Thanks,

Ed Lightle
Sr. Technical Writer
614-799-0600 Ext. 5225

Command Alkon
5168 Blazer Parkway | Dublin, Ohio 43017-1339
Tel: +1 (614) 799-6650  Ext. 1222 | 
www.commandalkon.com<http://www.commandalkon.com/>
Connect With Us: Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/cmdalkon> | 
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