FrameMaker.next Sneak Peak Invitation
http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/event/index.cfm? event=detail=700382=en_us=ZQGM You're invited to participate in a free live online seminar series to learn about the latest developments regarding the next version of Adobe FrameMaker?one of several Adobe products like Adobe RoboHelp? 6, Adobe Captivate? 3 and Acrobat? 3D targeting technical communicators. Sneak Peek at FrameMaker.Next! Thursday, July 26, 10:00 A.M. PDT Take a peek at what the FrameMaker team is working on. Learn about potential new features and provide feedback during this eSeminar. See features like DITA topic-based authoring, create documents with live 3D models and Flash?, XML single-sourcing features, track text changes and other review workflow improvements, and much more. FrameMaker Deep Dive: DITA topic-based authoring and single sourcing Thursday, August 9, 10:00 A.M. PDT Take an in-depth look into new support for DITA topic-based authoring, advanced single sourcing features, and improvements to the review and collaboration workflow (e.g., track text edits). Benefits of FrameMaker for Structured and Unstructured Documents Thursday, August 23, 2007 10:00 A.M. PDT Learn about FrameMaker's capabilities to create structured and unstructured content. Should you migrate to structure? If you do, what should you consider? How do you structure your content? Learn some of the terms used in structured application development (e.g., EDD, XSLT). In addition, you can participate in a series of OnDemand seminars covering topics like Adobe RoboHelp 6 (Visual Studio Magazines 2007 Readers Choice Award Winner for Help Authoring), Migrating from Word to FrameMaker, and more.
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As of today if you sign up for the beta, the title is: FrameMaker 8 Prerelease Program So, it appears that 8 is the official number (at least currently). -Paul Pehrson Midvale, UT On 5/17/07, Bernard Aschwanden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to be totally picky, there is no official number on the webpage that says 8 or 8.0 or anything like that. Of course, it is totally possible that Adobe may have mentioned that exact product number a few times during their sneak peaks at the STC conference :) No official number has been released. Suffice it to say that we will have FrameMaker.next and that there are some pretty major updates to the software. Bernard -Original Message- To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Cc: FreeFramers Subject: Re: How many FM users are there? snip Adobe is looking for FrameMaker 8 beta testers. http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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As of today if you sign up for the beta, the title is: FrameMaker 8 Prerelease Program So, it appears that 8 is the official number (at least currently). -Paul Pehrson Midvale, UT On 5/17/07, Bernard Aschwanden wrote: > > Just to be totally picky, there is no official number on the webpage that > says 8 or 8.0 or anything like that. Of course, it is totally possible > that Adobe may have mentioned that exact product number a few times during > their sneak peaks at the STC conference :) > > No official number has been released. Suffice it to say that we will have > FrameMaker.next and that there are some pretty major updates to the > software. > > Bernard > > -Original Message- > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Cc: FreeFramers > Subject: Re: How many FM users are there? > > > > Adobe is looking for FrameMaker 8 beta testers. > <http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/> > >
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Bill, are you by any chance implying that FramMaker.next will come with a Sushi support. That would be nice. FM does such a nice thing of wrapping upp a lots of things anyway! ;-) Bodvar Bjorgvinsson -- here to lighten up your Monday morning. On 5/17/07, Bill Swallow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As an aside (and just to make Bernard blush, if that's possible), if you ever get a chance to sit in on training or a presentation done by Bernard, DO IT!!! I have to say that he was my favorite presenter at the conference (or maybe he just had the best and most interesting material...) You'll learn lots of great information and techniques from him, and be entertained at the same time -- but be sure you've had lots of caffeine so you can keep up. :-) Yes, but if you have a chance to eat sushi with Bernard, make sure you are at the end where he is ordering from to prevent the draining of the entire ocean's population onto your table. ;-) I think we ate more sushi at our table (of about 10-12 people) than was eaten that entire day by all other patrons. ;-) I'm not complaining by any means. On another plus side, the Sapporos kept coming. ;-) -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager http://techcommdood.blogspot.com avid homebrewer and proud beer snob I see your OOO message and raise you a clue. ___ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Bill, are you by any chance implying that FramMaker.next will come with a Sushi support. That would be nice. FM does such a nice thing of wrapping upp a lots of things anyway! ;-) Bodvar Bjorgvinsson -- here to lighten up your Monday morning. On 5/17/07, Bill Swallow wrote: > > As an aside (and just to make Bernard blush, if that's possible), if you > > ever get a chance to sit in on training or a presentation done by > > Bernard, DO IT!!! I have to say that he was my favorite presenter at > > the conference (or maybe he just had the best and most interesting > > material...) You'll learn lots of great information and techniques from > > him, and be entertained at the same time -- but be sure you've had lots > > of caffeine so you can keep up. :-) > > Yes, but if you have a chance to eat sushi with Bernard, make sure you > are at the end where he is ordering from to prevent the draining of > the entire ocean's population onto your table. ;-) I think we ate more > sushi at our table (of about 10-12 people) than was eaten that entire > day by all other patrons. ;-) I'm not complaining by any means. On > another plus side, the Sapporos kept coming. ;-) > > -- > Bill Swallow > HATT List Owner > WWP-Users List Owner > Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter > STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager > http://techcommdood.blogspot.com > avid homebrewer and proud beer snob > "I see your OOO message and raise you a clue." > ___ >
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At 15:50 -0700 17/5/07, Chris Borokowski wrote: I was excited by the social networking package that is rumored to be part of Framemaker.next. In addition to translating output into PDF and XML, the new version will also automatically post it to your blog or Myspace. This is for real, Chris, or just a leg-pull? ;-) FrameMaker would seem to be to be orthogonal to the world of blogging, but then, I get surprised by something almost every day - if I'm not careful. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
How to keep track of 80 conditional text tags... (was RE: FrameMaker.next)
-Original Message- From: Diane Gaskill My question is Why?? I suppose this is a little OT, but I cannot imagine needing more than 10 conditions, even when you create PDF for both computer screens and handhelds, and also help, as well as have 3 or 4 models of a product described in the same set of files. How in heck to you keep track of 80 tags, Carla? Diane == Good question! First, to set it up, we have at least 7 different product lines, and then many of those printers have special versions (Customs) for specific customers. Some printers are OEM'ed and need to be rebranded, and may have special programming on them or special hardware features that are different from our standard line. Depending on the printer, it could be rebranded for 1-3 different OEM vendors, there are 5 or more programming guides for different programming languages that work on our printers, and there are 2-3 hardware pieces that attach to the printers, and they have their own guides. To manage all of this, we create a matrix table, showing all the conditions and the various types of docs. Down the left side is each product/product line. A product gets a specific color assigned to it. Across the top are the types of guides -- Programming Guide (PG) User Guides (UG), Quick Ref Guide (QRG), Maintenance Manual (MM) and Maintenance Kits (Kit). Variations on the conditional text style indicate the guide type (plain, overline, underline, strikethrough, etc.) Naming for conditional text is logical: UG Product1 UG Product2 UG Product3 QRG Product1 QRG Product2 QRG Product3 PG ProgLang1 PG ProgLang2 MM Product1 ...and so on... We discussed it as a group, and felt it was more logical to group by guide type than by product name with our stuff. YMMV, and in your situation you may find it easier to group by product name. This table is part of an import from document that writers are supposed to use to define the user variables and set the conditional tags to show for a particular document. Because content is shared, conditional tag and variables for a particular topic could be set to anything when you go to generate your book file, so you would use the import from file to set these items. A writer would know just by looking at the table which conditional tags are showing (if conditional text is hidden, then no text appears in the corresponding table cell). Oh, and when you're working in a situation like this, the most important thing is that conditions need to be ADDITIVE. NEVER create a conditional tag that is not this or not that, -- you're only setting yourself up for trouble (been there, done that). If a piece of text needs to have 40 conditions applied to it, then that's what it needs. This also puts the conditions in a format that can be managed when we go to XML. This conditional text structure required some forethought and planning to accommodate all of our needs, but now its easily expandable as we add more products and printer lines. I'd be happy to send an example to anyone who'd like to see it. -Carla - CONFIDENTIAL- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and may also be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not review, use, copy, or distribute this message. If you receive this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply email and then delete this email. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Diane Gaskill wrote: My question is Why?? I suppose this is a little OT, but I cannot imagine needing more than 10 conditions, even when you create PDF for both computer screens and handhelds, and also help, as well as have 3 or 4 models of a product described in the same set of files. How in heck to you keep track of 80 tags, Carla? Diane == -Original Message- From: Charles Beck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 17, 2007 3:36 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: FrameMaker.next 80+ conditional tags?!?!? WOW It's very easy. Earlier this year I worked on online help for a product that had three different versions, depending on role (user, user administrator, system adminsitrator). I had to produce both online help and a printed manual. I ended up with 14 conditions to handle all the variations. 80 conditions is a bit extreme, but I can easily imagine a scenario where you'd need them - though I'd be looking for alternatives myself. Keith ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Oh, yeah... two more things I remembered from the demos: 1 - you can embed a 3D image in Frame, and the user can manipulate it in Acro Reader 8. They can change the lighting, rotate the object, change it to wireframe, among other things. 2 - you can embed a Flash object directly in Frame. The static picture will be whatever the first frame of the Flash file is. I can already think of uses for these, such as embedding demos for procedures on our product. -Carla - CONFIDENTIAL- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and may also be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not review, use, copy, or distribute this message. If you receive this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply email and then delete this email. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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I've been sorely tempted to write a free plugin to do that, where you could have boolean logic that included more than OR. Perhaps this is a feature in the next FM. I don't know, myself, but I'd love to see it. That would ROCK! Please create that plugin -Gillian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeremy H. Griffith Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 8:38 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: FrameMaker.next On Thu, 17 May 2007 20:08:17 -0700 (GMT-07:00), Diane Gaskill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My question is Why?? I suppose this is a little OT, but I cannot imagine needing more than 10 conditions, even when you create PDF for both computer screens and handhelds, and also help, as well as have 3 or 4 models of a product described in the same set of files. I can imagine it quite easily... think combinatorial explosion. With the present system, when you have more than one axis, like say product and country, each with two or more values, say pot/pan and UK/US, you have a problem with unwanted intersections. If you say to include pot and US, and exclude pan and UK, you'll be surprised to see that pan/US and pot/UK are both present. This is because when categories overlap and one is in and one is out, the combination is in. To prevent that, in the situation above, you need tags for pot (not US/UK), pan (not US/UK), US (not pot/pan), UK (not pot/pan), pot-US, pot-UK, pan-US, and pan-UK. That's the simplest case, and it needs eight tags. Add another axis, like user/admin, and see what happens... Hint: it's *more* than 16. ;-) How in heck to you keep track of 80 tags, Carla? That's the problem, all right. Managing it all. I've been sorely tempted to write a free plugin to do that, where you could have boolean logic that included more than OR. Perhaps this is a feature in the next FM. I don't know, myself, but I'd love to see it. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gflato%40nanometrics .com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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At 15:50 -0700 17/5/07, Chris Borokowski wrote: >I was excited by the "social networking" package that >is rumored to be part of Framemaker.next. In addition >to translating output into PDF and XML, the new >version will also automatically post it to your blog >or Myspace. This is for real, Chris, or just a leg-pull? ;-) FrameMaker would seem to be to be orthogonal to the world of blogging, but then, I get surprised by something almost every day - if I'm not careful. -- Steve
How to keep track of 80 conditional text tags... (was RE: FrameMaker.next)
-Original Message- From: Diane Gaskill My question is Why?? I suppose this is a little OT, but I cannot imagine needing more than 10 conditions, even when you create PDF for both computer screens and handhelds, and also help, as well as have 3 or 4 models of a product described in the same set of files. How in heck to you keep track of 80 tags, Carla? Diane == Good question! First, to set it up, we have at least 7 different product lines, and then many of those printers have special versions (Customs) for specific customers. Some printers are OEM'ed and need to be rebranded, and may have special programming on them or special hardware features that are different from our standard line. Depending on the printer, it could be rebranded for 1-3 different OEM vendors, there are 5 or more programming guides for different programming languages that work on our printers, and there are 2-3 hardware pieces that attach to the printers, and they have their own guides. To manage all of this, we create a matrix table, showing all the conditions and the various types of docs. Down the left side is each product/product line. A product gets a specific color assigned to it. Across the top are the types of guides -- Programming Guide (PG) User Guides (UG), Quick Ref Guide (QRG), Maintenance Manual (MM) and Maintenance Kits (Kit). Variations on the conditional text style indicate the guide type (plain, overline, underline, strikethrough, etc.) Naming for conditional text is logical: UG Product1 UG Product2 UG Product3 QRG Product1 QRG Product2 QRG Product3 PG ProgLang1 PG ProgLang2 MM Product1 ...and so on... We discussed it as a group, and felt it was more logical to group by guide type than by product name with our stuff. YMMV, and in your situation you may find it easier to group by product name. This table is part of an "import from" document that writers are supposed to use to define the user variables and set the conditional tags to show for a particular document. Because content is shared, conditional tag and variables for a particular topic could be set to anything when you go to generate your book file, so you would use the "import from" file to set these items. A writer would know just by looking at the table which conditional tags are showing (if conditional text is hidden, then no text appears in the corresponding table cell). Oh, and when you're working in a situation like this, the most important thing is that conditions need to be ADDITIVE. NEVER create a conditional tag that is "not this" or "not that," -- you're only setting yourself up for trouble (been there, done that). If a piece of text needs to have 40 conditions applied to it, then that's what it needs. This also puts the conditions in a format that can be managed when we go to XML. This conditional text structure required some forethought and planning to accommodate all of our needs, but now its easily expandable as we add more products and printer lines. I'd be happy to send an example to anyone who'd like to see it. -Carla - CONFIDENTIAL- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and may also be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not review, use, copy, or distribute this message. If you receive this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply email and then delete this email.
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Diane Gaskill wrote: > > My question is Why?? I suppose this is a little OT, but I cannot imagine > needing more than 10 conditions, even when you create PDF for both computer > screens and handhelds, and also help, as well as have 3 or 4 models of a > product described in the same set of files. How in heck to you keep track of > 80 tags, Carla? > > Diane > > == > > -Original Message- >> From: Charles Beck >> Sent: May 17, 2007 3:36 PM >> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com >> Subject: RE: FrameMaker.next >> >> 80+ conditional tags?!?!? WOW >> > It's very easy. Earlier this year I worked on online help for a product that had three different versions, depending on role (user, user administrator, system adminsitrator). I had to produce both online help and a printed manual. I ended up with 14 conditions to handle all the variations. 80 conditions is a bit extreme, but I can easily imagine a scenario where you'd need them - though I'd be looking for alternatives myself. Keith
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Oh, yeah... two more things I remembered from the demos: 1 - you can embed a 3D image in Frame, and the user can manipulate it in Acro Reader 8. They can change the lighting, rotate the object, change it to wireframe, among other things. 2 - you can embed a Flash object directly in Frame. The static picture will be whatever the first frame of the Flash file is. I can already think of uses for these, such as embedding demos for procedures on our product. -Carla - CONFIDENTIAL- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and may also be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not review, use, copy, or distribute this message. If you receive this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply email and then delete this email.
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>> I've been sorely tempted to write a free plugin to do that, where you could have boolean logic that included more than "OR". Perhaps this is a feature in the next FM. I don't know, myself, but I'd love to see it. That would ROCK! Please create that plugin -Gillian -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+gflato=nanometrics@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+gflato=nanometrics.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy H. Griffith Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 8:38 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: FrameMaker.next On Thu, 17 May 2007 20:08:17 -0700 (GMT-07:00), Diane Gaskill wrote: >My question is Why?? I suppose this is a little OT, but I >cannot imagine needing more than 10 conditions, even when >you create PDF for both computer screens and handhelds, and >also help, as well as have 3 or 4 models of a product >described in the same set of files. I can imagine it quite easily... think "combinatorial explosion". With the present system, when you have more than one axis, like say "product" and "country", each with two or more values, say pot/pan and UK/US, you have a problem with unwanted intersections. If you say to include pot and US, and exclude pan and UK, you'll be surprised to see that pan/US and pot/UK are both present. This is because when categories overlap and one is in and one is out, the combination is in. To prevent that, in the situation above, you need tags for pot (not US/UK), pan (not US/UK), US (not pot/pan), UK (not pot/pan), pot-US, pot-UK, pan-US, and pan-UK. That's the simplest case, and it needs eight tags. Add another axis, like user/admin, and see what happens... Hint: it's *more* than 16. ;-) >How in heck to you keep track of 80 tags, Carla? That's the problem, all right. Managing it all. I've been sorely tempted to write a free plugin to do that, where you could have boolean logic that included more than "OR". Perhaps this is a feature in the next FM. I don't know, myself, but I'd love to see it. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as gflato at nanometrics.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gflato%40nanometrics .com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Just to be totally picky, there is no official number on the webpage that says 8 or 8.0 or anything like that. Of course, it is totally possible that Adobe may have mentioned that exact product number a few times during their sneak peaks at the STC conference :) No official number has been released. Suffice it to say that we will have FrameMaker.next and that there are some pretty major updates to the software. Bernard Bernard Aschwanden Director of Technology and Publishing Architecture Bright Path Solutions [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.brightpathsolutions.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Findon Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:56 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Cc: FreeFramers Subject: Re: How many FM users are there? snip Adobe is looking for FrameMaker 8 beta testers. http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/ Paul ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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I sat in on a couple of the Adobe previews at the conference, and I'm seriously looking forward to Framemaker.next. We're 'thisclose' to converting to XML/Dita, and the feature improvements and support I saw coming from Adobe in the next version make me confident that staying in FM will be a smart choice for our smaller writing group. As an aside (and just to make Bernard blush, if that's possible), if you ever get a chance to sit in on training or a presentation done by Bernard, DO IT!!! I have to say that he was my favorite presenter at the conference (or maybe he just had the best and most interesting material...) You'll learn lots of great information and techniques from him, and be entertained at the same time -- but be sure you've had lots of caffeine so you can keep up. :-) -Carla - CONFIDENTIAL- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and may also be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not review, use, copy, or distribute this message. If you receive this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply email and then delete this email. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Even if you don't like his presentation, it is worth seeing the backflip he does at the conclusion. Rick As an aside (and just to make Bernard blush, if that's possible), if you ever get a chance to sit in on training or a presentation done by Bernard, DO IT!!! I have to say that he was my favorite presenter at the conference (or maybe he just had the best and most interesting material...) You'll learn lots of great information and techniques from him, and be entertained at the same time -- but be sure you've had lots of caffeine so you can keep up. :-) -Carla ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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As an aside (and just to make Bernard blush, if that's possible), if you ever get a chance to sit in on training or a presentation done by Bernard, DO IT!!! I have to say that he was my favorite presenter at the conference (or maybe he just had the best and most interesting material...) You'll learn lots of great information and techniques from him, and be entertained at the same time -- but be sure you've had lots of caffeine so you can keep up. :-) Yes, but if you have a chance to eat sushi with Bernard, make sure you are at the end where he is ordering from to prevent the draining of the entire ocean's population onto your table. ;-) I think we ate more sushi at our table (of about 10-12 people) than was eaten that entire day by all other patrons. ;-) I'm not complaining by any means. On another plus side, the Sapporos kept coming. ;-) -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager http://techcommdood.blogspot.com avid homebrewer and proud beer snob I see your OOO message and raise you a clue. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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On a serious note, what was discussed about DITA support? Currently the DITA package for FM has a few limitations and bigs (for example, stripping all XML comments from the files on use). Any indication that the DITA capabilities will be ready for prime time? On 5/17/07, Martinek, Carla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I sat in on a couple of the Adobe previews at the conference, and I'm seriously looking forward to Framemaker.next. We're 'thisclose' to converting to XML/Dita, and the feature improvements and support I saw coming from Adobe in the next version make me confident that staying in FM will be a smart choice for our smaller writing group. -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager http://techcommdood.blogspot.com avid homebrewer and proud beer snob I see your OOO message and raise you a clue. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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At 12:58 -0400 17/5/07, Bill Swallow wrote: Currently the DITA package for FM has a few limitations and bigs (for example, stripping all XML comments from the files on use) That sure sounds more like a big than a bug ;-) -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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D'oh! Sorry. I must still be working off all that Sapporo... and that was several years ago! ;-) On 5/17/07, Steve Rickaby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 12:58 -0400 17/5/07, Bill Swallow wrote: Currently the DITA package for FM has a few limitations and bigs (for example, stripping all XML comments from the files on use) That sure sounds more like a big than a bug ;-) It is a big though. ;-) More than a bug. Not quite a bog. Who put all those vowels together anyway? -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager http://techcommdood.blogspot.com avid homebrewer and proud beer snob I see your OOO message and raise you a clue. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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As previously stated, these are just sneak peak previews, and nothing is guaranteed to make it in the final build. For one, I'm pretty sure that they said that the DITA support will be built in, and you won't have to download the DITA App Pack and install it. Improved conditional text handling (building and/or expressions and better color control - no more magenta with multiple tags on the same text! If you have two or more tags on the same text, it'll choose a new unique color to apply to it for that particular combination. It'll be interesting to see what it does in our docs that use 80+ conditional tags... Oh, and this is a biggie... UNICODE -- multiple languages in the same document!!! Actually saw Russian, Greek, Chinese, and more in the SAME file. I'm sure someone else that saw one of the demos has a few more items they remember. I'll have to go back and look at my notes for anything else -- this was my first conference (even though I've been in the business for 20 years...) and I've got a serious case of information overload. -Carla - CONFIDENTIAL- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and may also be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not review, use, copy, or distribute this message. If you receive this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply email and then delete this email. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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No specific presentation was made that involved how code ports to and from Frame.next at all, but rest assured that it's a comment made to Adobe and something that I hope they are looking into. By the way, for anyone in the Toronto area, Front Runner is hosting a sneak peek at the application shortly. Bernard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 12:02 PM To: Bill Swallow; Martinek, Carla Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: FrameMaker.next At 12:58 -0400 17/5/07, Bill Swallow wrote: Currently the DITA package for FM has a few limitations and bigs (for example, stripping all XML comments from the files on use) That sure sounds more like a big than a bug ;-) -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bernard%40publishingsmarter.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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80+ conditional tags?!?!? WOW -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martinek, Carla Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 3:48 PM To: Bill Swallow Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: FrameMaker.next As previously stated, these are just sneak peak previews, and nothing is guaranteed to make it in the final build. For one, I'm pretty sure that they said that the DITA support will be built in, and you won't have to download the DITA App Pack and install it. Improved conditional text handling (building and/or expressions and better color control - no more magenta with multiple tags on the same text! If you have two or more tags on the same text, it'll choose a new unique color to apply to it for that particular combination. It'll be interesting to see what it does in our docs that use 80+ conditional tags... Oh, and this is a biggie... UNICODE -- multiple languages in the same document!!! Actually saw Russian, Greek, Chinese, and more in the SAME file. I'm sure someone else that saw one of the demos has a few more items they remember. I'll have to go back and look at my notes for anything else -- this was my first conference (even though I've been in the business for 20 years...) and I've got a serious case of information overload. -Carla - CONFIDENTIAL- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and may also be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not review, use, copy, or distribute this message. If you receive this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply email and then delete this email. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/charles.beck%40infor .com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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I was excited by the social networking package that is rumored to be part of Framemaker.next. In addition to translating output into PDF and XML, the new version will also automatically post it to your blog or Myspace. User Interface design blog http://user-advocacy.blogspot.com/ Code::Design::UI::Consulting http://www.dionysius.com/ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=graduation+giftscs=bz ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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I only saw one of the sneak peek sessions, and don't recall hearing anything about XML comments or specifics on DITA support .. but I'd like to point out that the stripping of comments isn't a DITA App Pack issue .. it's a Frame issue .. the App Pack actually warns you about it when you open a file with comments. So it's more like a medium than a big .. :) ...scott Bill Swallow wrote: On a serious note, what was discussed about DITA support? Currently the DITA package for FM has a few limitations and bigs (for example, stripping all XML comments from the files on use). Any indication that the DITA capabilities will be ready for prime time? On 5/17/07, Martinek, Carla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I sat in on a couple of the Adobe previews at the conference, and I'm seriously looking forward to Framemaker.next. We're 'thisclose' to converting to XML/Dita, and the feature improvements and support I saw coming from Adobe in the next version make me confident that staying in FM will be a smart choice for our smaller writing group. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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My question is Why?? I suppose this is a little OT, but I cannot imagine needing more than 10 conditions, even when you create PDF for both computer screens and handhelds, and also help, as well as have 3 or 4 models of a product described in the same set of files. How in heck to you keep track of 80 tags, Carla? Diane == -Original Message- From: Charles Beck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: May 17, 2007 3:36 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: FrameMaker.next 80+ conditional tags?!?!? WOW -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martinek, Carla Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 3:48 PM To: Bill Swallow Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: FrameMaker.next As previously stated, these are just sneak peak previews, and nothing is guaranteed to make it in the final build. For one, I'm pretty sure that they said that the DITA support will be built in, and you won't have to download the DITA App Pack and install it. Improved conditional text handling (building and/or expressions and better color control - no more magenta with multiple tags on the same text! If you have two or more tags on the same text, it'll choose a new unique color to apply to it for that particular combination. It'll be interesting to see what it does in our docs that use 80+ conditional tags... Oh, and this is a biggie... UNICODE -- multiple languages in the same document!!! Actually saw Russian, Greek, Chinese, and more in the SAME file. I'm sure someone else that saw one of the demos has a few more items they remember. I'll have to go back and look at my notes for anything else -- this was my first conference (even though I've been in the business for 20 years...) and I've got a serious case of information overload. -Carla - CONFIDENTIAL- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and may also be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not review, use, copy, or distribute this message. If you receive this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply email and then delete this email. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/charles.beck%40infor .com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dgcaller%40earthlink.net Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Just to be totally picky, there is no official number on the webpage that says 8 or 8.0 or anything like that. Of course, it is totally possible that Adobe may have mentioned that exact product number a few times during their sneak peaks at the STC conference :) No official number has been released. Suffice it to say that we will have FrameMaker.next and that there are some pretty major updates to the software. Bernard Bernard Aschwanden Director of Technology and Publishing Architecture Bright Path Solutions bernard at brightpathsolutions.com www.brightpathsolutions.com -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter.com at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Paul Findon Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:56 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Cc: FreeFramers Subject: Re: How many FM users are there? Adobe is looking for FrameMaker 8 beta testers. <http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/> Paul
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I sat in on a couple of the Adobe previews at the conference, and I'm seriously looking forward to Framemaker.next. We're 'thisclose' to converting to XML/Dita, and the feature improvements and support I saw coming from Adobe in the next version make me confident that staying in FM will be a smart choice for our smaller writing group. As an aside (and just to make Bernard blush, if that's possible), if you ever get a chance to sit in on training or a presentation done by Bernard, DO IT!!! I have to say that he was my favorite presenter at the conference (or maybe he just had the best and most interesting material...) You'll learn lots of great information and techniques from him, and be entertained at the same time -- but be sure you've had lots of caffeine so you can keep up. :-) -Carla - CONFIDENTIAL- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and may also be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not review, use, copy, or distribute this message. If you receive this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply email and then delete this email.
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Even if you don't like his presentation, it is worth seeing the backflip he does at the conclusion. Rick As an aside (and just to make Bernard blush, if that's possible), if you ever get a chance to sit in on training or a presentation done by Bernard, DO IT!!! I have to say that he was my favorite presenter at the conference (or maybe he just had the best and most interesting material...) You'll learn lots of great information and techniques from him, and be entertained at the same time -- but be sure you've had lots of caffeine so you can keep up. :-) -Carla
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> As an aside (and just to make Bernard blush, if that's possible), if you > ever get a chance to sit in on training or a presentation done by > Bernard, DO IT!!! I have to say that he was my favorite presenter at > the conference (or maybe he just had the best and most interesting > material...) You'll learn lots of great information and techniques from > him, and be entertained at the same time -- but be sure you've had lots > of caffeine so you can keep up. :-) Yes, but if you have a chance to eat sushi with Bernard, make sure you are at the end where he is ordering from to prevent the draining of the entire ocean's population onto your table. ;-) I think we ate more sushi at our table (of about 10-12 people) than was eaten that entire day by all other patrons. ;-) I'm not complaining by any means. On another plus side, the Sapporos kept coming. ;-) -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager http://techcommdood.blogspot.com avid homebrewer and proud beer snob "I see your OOO message and raise you a clue."
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On a serious note, what was discussed about DITA support? Currently the DITA package for FM has a few limitations and bigs (for example, stripping all XML comments from the files on use). Any indication that the DITA capabilities will be ready for prime time? On 5/17/07, Martinek, Carla wrote: > I sat in on a couple of the Adobe previews at the conference, and I'm > seriously looking forward to Framemaker.next. > > We're 'thisclose' to converting to XML/Dita, and the feature > improvements and support I saw coming from Adobe in the next version > make me confident that staying in FM will be a smart choice for our > smaller writing group. -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager http://techcommdood.blogspot.com avid homebrewer and proud beer snob "I see your OOO message and raise you a clue."
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At 12:58 -0400 17/5/07, Bill Swallow wrote: >Currently the DITA package for FM has a few limitations and bigs (for example, >stripping all XML comments from the files on use) That sure sounds more like a big than a bug ;-) -- Steve
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D'oh! Sorry. I must still be working off all that Sapporo... and that was several years ago! ;-) On 5/17/07, Steve Rickaby wrote: > At 12:58 -0400 17/5/07, Bill Swallow wrote: > > >Currently the DITA package for FM has a few limitations and bigs (for > >example, stripping all XML comments from the files on use) > > That sure sounds more like a big than a bug ;-) It is a "big" though. ;-) More than a bug. Not quite a bog. Who put all those vowels together anyway? -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager http://techcommdood.blogspot.com avid homebrewer and proud beer snob "I see your OOO message and raise you a clue."
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As previously stated, these are just "sneak peak" previews, and nothing is guaranteed to make it in the final build. For one, I'm pretty sure that they said that the DITA support will be built in, and you won't have to download the DITA App Pack and install it. Improved conditional text handling (building and/or expressions and better color control - no more magenta with multiple tags on the same text! If you have two or more tags on the same text, it'll choose a new unique color to apply to it for that particular combination. It'll be interesting to see what it does in our docs that use 80+ conditional tags... Oh, and this is a biggie... UNICODE -- multiple languages in the same document!!! Actually saw Russian, Greek, Chinese, and more in the SAME file. I'm sure someone else that saw one of the demos has a few more items they remember. I'll have to go back and look at my notes for anything else -- this was my first conference (even though I've been in the business for 20 years...) and I've got a serious case of information overload. -Carla - CONFIDENTIAL- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and may also be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not review, use, copy, or distribute this message. If you receive this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply email and then delete this email.
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No specific presentation was made that involved how code ports to and from Frame.next at all, but rest assured that it's a comment made to Adobe and something that I hope they are looking into. By the way, for anyone in the Toronto area, Front Runner is hosting a sneak peek at the application shortly. Bernard -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter.com at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 12:02 PM To: Bill Swallow; Martinek, Carla Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: FrameMaker.next At 12:58 -0400 17/5/07, Bill Swallow wrote: >Currently the DITA package for FM has a few limitations and bigs (for example, >stripping all XML comments from the files on use) That sure sounds more like a big than a bug ;-) -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as bernard at publishingsmarter.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bernard%40publishingsmarter.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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80+ conditional tags?!?!? WOW -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+charles.beck=infor@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+charles.beck=infor.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Martinek, Carla Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 3:48 PM To: Bill Swallow Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: FrameMaker.next As previously stated, these are just "sneak peak" previews, and nothing is guaranteed to make it in the final build. For one, I'm pretty sure that they said that the DITA support will be built in, and you won't have to download the DITA App Pack and install it. Improved conditional text handling (building and/or expressions and better color control - no more magenta with multiple tags on the same text! If you have two or more tags on the same text, it'll choose a new unique color to apply to it for that particular combination. It'll be interesting to see what it does in our docs that use 80+ conditional tags... Oh, and this is a biggie... UNICODE -- multiple languages in the same document!!! Actually saw Russian, Greek, Chinese, and more in the SAME file. I'm sure someone else that saw one of the demos has a few more items they remember. I'll have to go back and look at my notes for anything else -- this was my first conference (even though I've been in the business for 20 years...) and I've got a serious case of information overload. -Carla - CONFIDENTIAL- This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and may also be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not review, use, copy, or distribute this message. If you receive this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply email and then delete this email. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as Charles.Beck at infor.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/charles.beck%40infor .com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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I was excited by the "social networking" package that is rumored to be part of Framemaker.next. In addition to translating output into PDF and XML, the new version will also automatically post it to your blog or Myspace. User Interface design blog http://user-advocacy.blogspot.com/ Code::Design::UI::Consulting http://www.dionysius.com/ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail=graduation+gifts=bz
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I only saw one of the sneak peek sessions, and don't recall hearing anything about XML comments or specifics on DITA support .. but I'd like to point out that the stripping of comments isn't a DITA App Pack issue .. it's a Frame issue .. the App Pack actually warns you about it when you open a file with comments. So it's more like a "medium" than a "big" .. :) ...scott Bill Swallow wrote: > On a serious note, what was discussed about DITA support? Currently > the DITA package for FM has a few limitations and bigs (for example, > stripping all XML comments from the files on use). Any indication that > the DITA capabilities will be ready for prime time? > > On 5/17/07, Martinek, Carla wrote: >> I sat in on a couple of the Adobe previews at the conference, and I'm >> seriously looking forward to Framemaker.next. >> >> We're 'thisclose' to converting to XML/Dita, and the feature >> improvements and support I saw coming from Adobe in the next version >> make me confident that staying in FM will be a smart choice for our >> smaller writing group. >
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My question is Why?? I suppose this is a little OT, but I cannot imagine needing more than 10 conditions, even when you create PDF for both computer screens and handhelds, and also help, as well as have 3 or 4 models of a product described in the same set of files. How in heck to you keep track of 80 tags, Carla? Diane == -Original Message- >From: Charles Beck >Sent: May 17, 2007 3:36 PM >To: framers at lists.frameusers.com >Subject: RE: FrameMaker.next > >80+ conditional tags?!?!? WOW > >-Original Message- >From: framers-bounces+charles.beck=infor.com at lists.frameusers.com >[mailto:framers-bounces+charles.beck=infor.com at lists.frameusers.com] On >Behalf Of Martinek, Carla >Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 3:48 PM >To: Bill Swallow >Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com >Subject: RE: FrameMaker.next > >As previously stated, these are just "sneak peak" previews, and nothing >is guaranteed to make it in the final build. > >For one, I'm pretty sure that they said that the DITA support will be >built in, and you won't have to download the DITA App Pack and install >it. > >Improved conditional text handling (building and/or expressions and >better color control - no more magenta with multiple tags on the same >text! If you have two or more tags on the same text, it'll choose a new >unique color to apply to it for that particular combination. It'll be >interesting to see what it does in our docs that use 80+ conditional >tags... > >Oh, and this is a biggie... UNICODE -- multiple languages in the same >document!!! Actually saw Russian, Greek, Chinese, and more in the SAME >file. > >I'm sure someone else that saw one of the demos has a few more items >they remember. I'll have to go back and look at my notes for anything >else -- this was my first conference (even though I've been in the >business for 20 years...) and I've got a serious case of information >overload. > >-Carla > >- CONFIDENTIAL- >This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential, and may >also be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you >may not review, use, copy, or distribute this message. If you receive >this email in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply email >and then delete this email. >___ > > >You are currently subscribed to Framers as Charles.Beck at infor.com. > >Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com >or visit >http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/charles.beck%40infor >.com > >Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit >http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >___ > > >You are currently subscribed to Framers as dgcaller at earthlink.net. > >Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com >or visit >http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dgcaller%40earthlink.net > >Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit >http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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On Thu, 17 May 2007 20:08:17 -0700 (GMT-07:00), Diane Gaskill wrote: >My question is Why?? I suppose this is a little OT, but I >cannot imagine needing more than 10 conditions, even when >you create PDF for both computer screens and handhelds, and >also help, as well as have 3 or 4 models of a product >described in the same set of files. I can imagine it quite easily... think "combinatorial explosion". With the present system, when you have more than one axis, like say "product" and "country", each with two or more values, say pot/pan and UK/US, you have a problem with unwanted intersections. If you say to include pot and US, and exclude pan and UK, you'll be surprised to see that pan/US and pot/UK are both present. This is because when categories overlap and one is in and one is out, the combination is in. To prevent that, in the situation above, you need tags for pot (not US/UK), pan (not US/UK), US (not pot/pan), UK (not pot/pan), pot-US, pot-UK, pan-US, and pan-UK. That's the simplest case, and it needs eight tags. Add another axis, like user/admin, and see what happens... Hint: it's *more* than 16. ;-) >How in heck to you keep track of 80 tags, Carla? That's the problem, all right. Managing it all. I've been sorely tempted to write a free plugin to do that, where you could have boolean logic that included more than "OR". Perhaps this is a feature in the next FM. I don't know, myself, but I'd love to see it. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/
