Re: A bug & note on using .png graphics

2006-05-06 Thread David Creamer
> OK, be prepared to be surprised. Pull down the Image menu, go to Mode and > gaze at the two entries "8 Bits / Channel" and "16 Bits / Channel." > I've been using it for years; it ain't new. > Yes, the Wikipedia article seems to verify what I was saying; that the same > file can be referred to a

A bug & note on using .png graphics

2006-05-06 Thread David Creamer
> OK, be prepared to be surprised. Pull down the Image menu, go to Mode and > gaze at the two entries "8 Bits / Channel" and "16 Bits / Channel." > I've been using it for years; it ain't new. > Yes, the Wikipedia article seems to verify what I was saying; that the same > file can be referred to a

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2006-05-05 Thread Fred Ridder
Commenting only on specific issues... >Art Campbell wrote (in part): >>Color depth is generally specified as "bits per pixel (bpp)" -- see this >>Wikipedia topic: >> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_depth > > >Yes, the Wikipedia article seems to verify what I was saying; that the same >fil

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2006-05-05 Thread Art Campbell
Stuff cut in below... On 5/5/06, Combs, Richard wrote: > Like I said, I'm no expert, but I've never heard the term "8-bit" used > to describe an image that uses 24 bits to define each pixel, and I'd be > very surprised if Photoshop uses the term that way. OK, be prepared to be surprised. Pull

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2006-05-05 Thread Combs, Richard
Fred Ridder wrote: > If this website is one of the places you have been learning > from, then perhaps we have identified the root source of some > of the issues. Even on a quick reading, this page contains > some things that are laughably inaccurate. For one example: Wow. An inkjet printer

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2006-05-05 Thread Combs, Richard
Fred Ridder wrote: > If this website is one of the places you have been learning > from, then perhaps we have identified the root source of some > of the issues. Even on a quick reading, this page contains > some things that are laughably inaccurate. For one example: Wow. An inkjet printer

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2006-05-05 Thread Fred Ridder
Commenting only on specific issues... Art Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote (in part): Color depth is generally specified as "bits per pixel (bpp)" -- see this Wikipedia topic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_depth Yes, the Wikipedia article seems to verify what I was saying; that th

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2006-05-05 Thread Combs, Richard
Art Campbell wrote: > I think we're using slightly different terms when describing > the same files. > In photos/photoshop, an 8-bit depth means 8 bits of red, > green, and blue info. 16 million shades (256X256X256). Which > The color definition thing is really wierd. I never saw that > ha

Re: A bug & note on using .png graphics....

2006-05-05 Thread Art Campbell
Stuff cut in below... On 5/5/06, Combs, Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Like I said, I'm no expert, but I've never heard the term "8-bit" used to describe an image that uses 24 bits to define each pixel, and I'd be very surprised if Photoshop uses the term that way. OK, be prepared to be

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2006-05-05 Thread Combs, Richard
Art Campbell wrote: > I think we're using slightly different terms when describing > the same files. > In photos/photoshop, an 8-bit depth means 8 bits of red, > green, and blue info. 16 million shades (256X256X256). Which > The color definition thing is really wierd. I never saw that > h

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2006-05-04 Thread Art Campbell
I think we're using slightly different terms when describing the same files. In photos/photoshop, an 8-bit depth means 8 bits of red, green, and blue info. 16 million shades (256X256X256). Which is what I think you're calling 24 bit, meaning 3x8 bits. Files come out of my Nikons at 12-bit depth and

Re: A bug & note on using .png graphics....

2006-05-04 Thread Art Campbell
I think we're using slightly different terms when describing the same files. In photos/photoshop, an 8-bit depth means 8 bits of red, green, and blue info. 16 million shades (256X256X256). Which is what I think you're calling 24 bit, meaning 3x8 bits. Files come out of my Nikons at 12-bit depth an

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2006-05-04 Thread Anne Robotti
> Sadly, FM "reads" the color list from pngs (and AFAIK, *only* > pngs), and adds the color definitions in the image file to > the list of available colors in the FM file. It's very annoying. And don't forget that you can't delete them with the color definition thing where you can delete every

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2006-05-04 Thread Bill Swallow
Annoying, yet brilliantly exacting. ;-) On 5/4/06, Grant Hogarth wrote: > Sadly, FM "reads" the color list from pngs (and AFAIK, *only* pngs), and > adds the color definitions in the image file to the list of available > colors in the FM file. It's very annoying. -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner

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2006-05-04 Thread Art Campbell
esday, May 02, 2006 2:09 PM > To: List, Framers; Free Framers > Subject: A bug & note on using .png graphics > > I recently ran into a problem using .png graphics in files and after > kicking it around a lot, think I may have found a bug either in FM's > memo

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2006-05-04 Thread Combs, Richard
Art Campbell wrote: > Color list? You mean like FM's defined colors? > I don't think so. We're talking digital photographs here, > with millions of colors. > The 8-bit limitation is just the bit depth of the file. FM > doesn't do anything at all with the colors of graphics and > the colors it

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2006-05-04 Thread Combs, Richard
Art Campbell wrote: > Color list? You mean like FM's defined colors? > I don't think so. We're talking digital photographs here, > with millions of colors. > The 8-bit limitation is just the bit depth of the file. FM > doesn't do anything at all with the colors of graphics and > the colors it

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2006-05-04 Thread Grant Hogarth
May 04, 2006 1:57 PM To: Grant Hogarth Cc: List, Framers; Free Framers Subject: Re: A bug & note on using .png graphics Color list? You mean like FM's defined colors? I don't think so. We're talking digital photographs here, with millions of colors. The 8-bit limitation is

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2006-05-04 Thread John Posada
16 million colors vs 256 for GIF --- Jim Light <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So someone refresh my memory please, the advantage of using png > files is what? > John Posada Senior Technical Writer "So long and thanks for all the fish." ___ You are c

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2006-05-04 Thread John Posada
16 million colors vs 256 for GIF --- Jim Light wrote: > So someone refresh my memory please, the advantage of using png > files is what? > John Posada Senior Technical Writer "So long and thanks for all the fish."

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2006-05-04 Thread Grant Hogarth
-bounces+grant.hogarth=reuters@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+grant.hogarth=reuters.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:09 PM To: List, Framers; Free Framers Subject: A bug & note on using .png graphics I recently ran in

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2006-05-04 Thread Jim Light
So someone refresh my memory please, the advantage of using png files is what? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anne Robotti Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 1:41 PM To: Grant Hogarth; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: A bug & not

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2006-05-04 Thread Jim Light
1:41 PM To: Grant Hogarth; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: A bug & note on using .png graphics > Sadly, FM "reads" the color list from pngs (and AFAIK, *only* > pngs), and adds the color definitions in the image file to > the list of available colors in

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2006-05-04 Thread Anne Robotti
> Sadly, FM "reads" the color list from pngs (and AFAIK, *only* > pngs), and adds the color definitions in the image file to > the list of available colors in the FM file. It's very annoying. And don't forget that you can't delete them with the color definition thing where you can delete every

Re: A bug & note on using .png graphics....

2006-05-04 Thread Bill Swallow
Annoying, yet brilliantly exacting. ;-) On 5/4/06, Grant Hogarth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sadly, FM "reads" the color list from pngs (and AFAIK, *only* pngs), and adds the color definitions in the image file to the list of available colors in the FM file. It's very annoying. -- Bill Swallow

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2006-05-04 Thread Grant Hogarth
4, 2006 1:57 PM To: Grant Hogarth Cc: List, Framers; Free Framers Subject: Re: A bug & note on using .png graphics Color list? You mean like FM's defined colors? I don't think so. We're talking digital photographs here, with millions of colors. The 8-bit limitation is

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2006-05-04 Thread Art Campbell
m back up to 24 with out making them too much bigger. Grant -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Art Campbell Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:09 PM To: List, Framers; Free Framers Subject: A bug & note on using .png graphics I recently ran

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2006-05-04 Thread Grant Hogarth
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Art Campbell Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:09 PM To: List, Framers; Free Framers Subject: A bug & note on using .png graphics I recently ran into a problem using .png graphics in files and after kicking it around a lot, think I may have fou

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2006-05-02 Thread Art Campbell
#x27;t have > it! > > Nandini > > -Original Message- > From: Ridder, Fred [mailto:fred.ridder at intel.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 1:44 PM > To: Nandini Garud; Art Campbell > Subject: RE: A bug & note on using .png graphics > > JPEG is a very p

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2006-05-02 Thread Art Campbell
nal Message- > From: framers-bounces+nandini=resonate.com at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces+nandini=resonate.com at lists.frameusers.com]On Behalf > Of Art Campbell > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 1:09 PM > To: List, Framers; Free Framers > Subject: A bug & note on

A bug & note on using .png graphics....

2006-05-02 Thread Art Campbell
I recently ran into a problem using .png graphics in files and after kicking it around a lot, think I may have found a bug either in FM's memory managment (surprise!) or the way it's handling graphics files. * FM 7.2 / 158 * Windows XP SP2 with all patches * Two machines, one with 2 M RAM, one wit

Re: A bug & note on using .png graphics....

2006-05-02 Thread Art Campbell
me. I don't have it! Nandini -Original Message- From: Ridder, Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 1:44 PM To: Nandini Garud; Art Campbell Subject: RE: A bug & note on using .png graphics JPEG is a very poor choice of file format for screen shots because it

Re: A bug & note on using .png graphics....

2006-05-02 Thread Art Campbell
02, 2006 1:09 PM To: List, Framers; Free Framers Subject: A bug & note on using .png graphics I recently ran into a problem using .png graphics in files and after kicking it around a lot, think I may have found a bug either in FM's memory managment (surprise!) or the way it's h

A bug & note on using .png graphics....

2006-05-02 Thread Nandini Garud
frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+nandini=resonate.com at lists.frameusers.com]On Behalf Of Art Campbell Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 1:09 PM To: List, Framers; Free Framers Subject: A bug & note on using .png graphics I recently ran into a problem using .png graphics in files and after kicki

RE: A bug & note on using .png graphics....

2006-05-02 Thread Nandini Garud
f Art Campbell Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 1:09 PM To: List, Framers; Free Framers Subject: A bug & note on using .png graphics I recently ran into a problem using .png graphics in files and after kicking it around a lot, think I may have found a bug either in FM's memory managment (sur

A bug & note on using .png graphics....

2006-05-02 Thread Art Campbell
I recently ran into a problem using .png graphics in files and after kicking it around a lot, think I may have found a bug either in FM's memory managment (surprise!) or the way it's handling graphics files. * FM 7.2 / 158 * Windows XP SP2 with all patches * Two machines, one with 2 M RAM, one wi