g's game (and vice versa if you have natively
CMYK or Pantone material in your PDF).
From: Craig Ede [mailto:craig...@hotmail.com]
Sent: 22 October 2014 15:35
To: Davis, David; framers
Subject: RE: CMYK vs RGB RE: PDF query
Yes, I think color conversions are that complex.
RGB was design
e why one would want to use CMYK to print to the screen.
>
> Craig
>> From: david.da...@non.schneider-electric.com
>> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
>> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 03:34:52 -0500
>> Subject: RE: CMYK vs RGB RE: PDF query
>>
>> Are colour conver
@lists.frameusers.com
> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 03:34:52 -0500
> Subject: RE: CMYK vs RGB RE: PDF query
>
> Are colour conversions really that "complex"?
> They're just converting colour coordinates in one colour-space to those in
> another, using some straightf
acob Sch?ffer (Grafikhuset)
To: , "'Craig Ede'"
Cc: 'framers'
Subject: RE: CMYK vs RGB RE: PDF query
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It?s definitely NOT easy to explain thi
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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 08:35:13 -0500
From: Craig Ede
To: "i...@heiko-haida.de" , framers
Subject: RE: CMYK vs RGB RE: PDF query
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Given the theoretical differences I'm not sure why you would expect R
work in a better way, then I agree ☺
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From: Scott Turner [mailto:qui...@airmail.net]
Sent: 20 October 2014 22:46
To: Davis, David
Cc: Lin Sims; Böðvar Björgvinsson; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: . PDF query
The reason this
> Sent: 20 October 2014 15:59
> To: Böðvar Björgvinsson
> Cc: Davis, David; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: . PDF query
>
> My recollection may be faulty, but I seem to recall Dov Isaacs saying the
> issues with Save As PDF had been fixed a while ago.
>
> N
A screen capture of a RGB representation of a CMYK image in a
professional graphics program isn't a very common requirement.
What does the screen capture from Illustrator look like if you simply
paste it into Windows Paint?
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 12:11 PM, Heiko Haida wrote:
>
> Hi Jacob,
>
> m
ilto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] ON BEHALF OF Heiko Haida
> SENT: 20. oktober 2014 16:22
> TO: Craig Ede
> CC: framers
> SUBJECT: RE: CMYK vs RGB RE: PDF query
>
> Well, Craig,
>
> thats easy to explain:
> When I use Illustrator or Indesign, a colour will
ign.grafikhuset.dk
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Heiko Haida
Sent: 20. oktober 2014 16:22
To: Craig Ede
Cc: framers
Subject: RE: CMYK vs RGB RE: PDF query
Well, Craig,
thats easy to explain:
When I use Illustrator or
reason it still hasn’t made it into the actual
FrameMaker help files.
I’m undecided as to which scenario is to more annoying ☺
From: Lin Sims [mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com]
Sent: 20 October 2014 15:59
To: Böðvar Björgvinsson
Cc: Davis, David; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: . PDF query
My
My recollection may be faulty, but I seem to recall Dov Isaacs saying the
issues with Save As PDF had been fixed a while ago.
Now if they can just fix the broken Esc keyboard shortcuts.
Lin
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Böðvar Björgvinsson
wrote:
> Since I started seriously learning FrameM
On 10/20/2014 3:33 AM, Denis Daly wrote:
We will eventually wish to send to a print company though. I hope Adobe are
able to fix this bug.
Here are a few tips if you plan to send to a print company:
1. Use EPS or PDF graphics. FrameMaker normally passes everything
through the Windows GDI,
Since I started seriously learning FrameMaker (7.0) I have always been
advised against using SaveAs PDF but instead print to file using whatever
the name has been each version of the Adobe PostScript printer engine.
Takes af few more clicks but saves a lot of trouble.
Still do it several versions
Well, Craig,
thats easy to explain:
When I use Illustrator or Indesign, a colour will not change its screen
representation if I switch from CMYK definition to RGB definition. That
is not a miracle or a question of "who knows" (these programs use HSB
definitions, and obviously the conversion w
Given the theoretical differences I'm not sure why you would expect RGB output
of CMYK colors to be close to what CMYK color should looks like.
Think of it this way, if you choose a Pantone color as a spot color, you'd
expect it to print exactly like as that Pantone color to paper. But to the
October 2014 08:56
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: . PDF query
Dennis,
You're not the first person to report this problem.
I doubt you're doing anything wrong, it's just FrameMaker being buggy.
I'd encourage you to report it at Adobe's bug report page
http
Indeed -
A pity none of these experts ever manage to get their expert opinion manifested
in the FrameMaker user guide / online help, though!
David
Message: 5
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 21:31:08 -0500
From: Mike Wickham
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: PDF query
Message-ID: <5441d
Dennis,
You're not the first person to report this problem.
I doubt you're doing anything wrong, it's just FrameMaker being buggy.
I'd encourage you to report it at Adobe's bug report page
https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform
Message: 1
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 12:31:14 +00
aturation) of the color.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain
> (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 6:32 PM
> To: Robert Lauriston; framers@lists.frameu
Saturday, October 18, 2014 6:32 PM
To: Robert Lauriston; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: PDF query
Same here with "Save as PDF", except that with FM 12, it seems that I also
need to select the "RGB" checkbox option to make it work correctly. The
"CMYK" optio
ramers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 12:40 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FM as PDF gold standard RE: PDF query
Craig,
It sounds like you got hit with the Windows XP bug that caused intermi
Same here with "Save as PDF", except that with FM 12, it seems that I also need
to select the "RGB" checkbox option to make it work correctly. The "CMYK"
option does _not_ work properly.
I will see if I can find the test documents I sent to Adobe and post them here
later ...
Z
Robert Lauristo
At least from FM6 on, I had zero problems with Save as PDF so long as
Distiller / Adobe PDF was selected as the printer and I used the same
file name as the .book I was saving.
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Mike Wickham wrote:
> Actually, Frame print to PDF was the gold standard. Save as PDF w
Craig,
It sounds like you got hit with the Windows XP bug that caused
intermittent, unexplained dropping of text in PDFs. As I recall, the
problem was with the MS Postscript processor. There was a Microsoft
hotfix issued to deal with it. At the time, the problem and fix were
pretty well known
e-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 9:31 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: PDF query
Actually, Frame print to PDF was the gold standard. Save as PDF was so bu
ckham
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 7:31 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: PDF query
Actually, Frame print to PDF was the gold standard. Save as PDF was so buggy
that all experts recommended against using it.
Mike Wickham
On 10/17/2014 4:46 PM, Lin Sims wrote:
> Frame to PDF use
Actually, Frame print to PDF was the gold standard. Save as PDF was so
buggy that all experts recommended against using it.
Mike Wickham
On 10/17/2014 4:46 PM, Lin Sims wrote:
Frame to PDF used to be the gold standard for PDF production. :(
___
Frame to PDF used to be the gold standard for PDF production. :(
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) <
syed.hos...@aeris.net> wrote:
> I reported a similar issue a short while back (wasn’t just images though –
> it has problems with font colors, italic text
I reported a similar issue a short while back (wasn't just images though - it
has problems with font colors, italic text messing up kerning and spacing,
etc.).
The response from an Adobe person here was that the Save as PDF using CMYK has
a bug (that they have been able to reproduce). No fix in
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