OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

Indeed, yes. Adobe have steadily reduced the value of their products in favour of increasing marketing expenditure (e.g. the "standardised" UI) and PR, and feature bloat in place of stability and quality software. Now, to increase value for stockholders and to shore up the bottom line, they

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If the only option is subscription, the reason people will keep paying is to keep their access to the software, instead of paying for upgrades due to improvements. This reduces Adobe's incentive to add new features that they normally would add in order to convince people to upgrade. The upside

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: Shmuel Wolfson shmue...@gmail.com Date: Wed, May 22, 2013 at 11:24 AM Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Cc: Paula Stern pa...@writepoint.com If the only option is subscription, the reason people will keep paying is to keep

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I'm under the impression that the subscription is about the same price as constant upgrades. Actually, it's substantially more. I looked back and the last two CS upgrades I bought were around $600. The product has an 18-month cycle between upgrades, which means an average of $400 per year--

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Of Mike Wickham Sent: 2013-05-22-Wednesday 12:35 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages

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of Oklahoma City. Scrooge Graphic Communications sgmli...@tds.net - Original Message - From: Shlomo Perets To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 12:35 PM Subject: RE: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only Just signed the petition

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Indeed, yes. Adobe have steadily reduced the value of their products in favour of increasing marketing expenditure (e.g. the standardised UI) and PR, and feature bloat in place of stability and quality software. Now, to increase value for stockholders and to shore up the bottom line, they need

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Cool! Signed! Thanks for sharing. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 9:10 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe

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I don't see why Adobe should care about a petition if subscription revenues aren't lower than expected. You don't like it, don't subscribe. They'll get the message. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list

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Done and FB'd. Alan On 22/05/13 1:09 AM, Shmuel Wolfson wrote: > Yes, please sign and pass it on: > http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-incorporated-eliminate-the-mandatory-creative-cloud-subscription-model > > > Regards, > Shmuel Wolfson > Technical Writer > 052-763-7133 > --

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

If the only option is subscription, the reason people will keep paying is to keep their access to the software, instead of paying for upgrades due to improvements. This reduces Adobe's incentive to add new features that they normally would add in order to convince people to upgrade. The upside

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

-- From: Shmuel Wolfson <shmue...@gmail.com> Date: Wed, May 22, 2013 at 11:24 AM Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Cc: Paula Stern If the only option is subscription, the reason people will keep paying i

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> I'm under the impression that the subscription is about the same price as constant upgrades. Actually, it's substantially more. I looked back and the last two CS upgrades I bought were around $600. The product has an 18-month cycle between upgrades, which means an average of $400 per year--

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eusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham Sent: 2013-05-22-Wednesday 12:35 To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

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more $$. beware of stuff that emanates within clouds If in doubt . . . ask a resident of Oklahoma City. Scrooge Graphic Communications sgmlindy at tds.net - Original Message - From: Shlomo Perets To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 12:35 PM Subject:

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At 14:54 -0700 20/5/13, Karen Robbins wrote: Adam Engst's article in TidBITs, Creative Cloud Complaints Darken Adobe's View of the Future, (http://tidbits.com/e/13765http://tidbits.com/e/13765) makes/shares some excellent points. If the Creative Cloud experiment succeeds, TCS/FrameMaker could

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Yes, please sign and pass it on: http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-incorporated-eliminate-the-mandatory-creative-cloud-subscription-model Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 On 21-May-13 3:30 PM, Steve Rickaby wrote: At 14:54 -0700 20/5/13, Karen Robbins wrote:

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Just signed the petition and indicated the following as the reason for signing: It is really a matter of letting users choose, rather than aggressively force this or that option them. Clearly, many Adobe users are still using older versions because many newer versions/upgrades were mediocre,

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Here's mine: I want the availability of my software to be independent of my ability to pay for it. If I'm having a cash-flow problem, the last thing I need is to lose access to the tools that are required to generate my income. I want it to be MY decision as to when I update my software,

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Done and FB'd. Alan On 22/05/13 1:09 AM, Shmuel Wolfson wrote: Yes, please sign and pass it on: http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-incorporated-eliminate-the-mandatory-creative-cloud-subscription-model Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 -- AlphaByte PO Box

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@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only Yes, please sign and pass it on: http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-incorporated-eliminate-the-man datory-creative-cloud-subscription-model Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133

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...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 7:10 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only Yes, please sign and pass it on: http://www.change.org

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At 14:54 -0700 20/5/13, Karen Robbins wrote: >Adam Engst's article in TidBITs, Creative Cloud Complaints Darken Adobe's View >of the Future, (http://tidbits.com/e/13765) >makes/shares some excellent points. If the Creative Cloud experiment succeeds, >TCS/FrameMaker

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

Yes, please sign and pass it on: http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-incorporated-eliminate-the-mandatory-creative-cloud-subscription-model Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 On 21-May-13 3:30 PM, Steve Rickaby wrote: > At 14:54 -0700 20/5/13, Karen Robbins wrote: >

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Just signed the petition and indicated the following as the reason for signing: "It is really a matter of letting users choose, rather than aggressively force this or that option them. Clearly, many Adobe users are still using older versions because many newer versions/upgrades were mediocre,

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

Here's mine: I want the availability of my software to be independent of my ability to pay for it. If I'm having a cash-flow problem, the last thing I need is to lose access to the tools that are required to generate my income. I want it to be MY decision as to when I update my software, not

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only Yes, please sign and pass it on: http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-incorporated-eliminate-the-man datory-creative-cloud-subscription-model Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763

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essage- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 7:10 AM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subsc

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Cool! Signed! Thanks for sharing. -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 9:10 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

I don't see why Adobe should care about a petition if subscription revenues aren't lower than expected. You don't like it, don't subscribe. They'll get the message.

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Adam Engst's article in TidBITs, *Creative Cloud Complaints Darken Adobe’s View of the Future,* (http://tidbits.com/e/13765) makes/shares some excellent points. If the Creative Cloud experiment succeeds, TCS/FrameMaker could be next. --Karen ___ You

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@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only Adam Engst's article in TidBITs, Creative Cloud Complaints Darken Adobe's View of the Future, (http://tidbits.com/e/13765) makes/shares some excellent points. If the Creative Cloud experiment succeeds, TCS

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

Adam Engst's article in TidBITs, *Creative Cloud Complaints Darken Adobe?s View of the Future,* (http://tidbits.com/e/13765) makes/shares some excellent points. If the Creative Cloud experiment succeeds, TCS/FrameMaker could be next. --Karen -- next part -- An HTML

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at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only Adam Engst's article in TidBITs, Creative Cloud Complaints Darken Adobe's View of the Future, (http://tidbits.com/e/13765) makes/shares some excellent points. If the Creative Cloud experiment succeeds, TCS

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ces at > lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston > Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 1:31 PM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only > > Customers value a business based on the goods or serv

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: Saturday, May 11, 2013 7:08 PM To: Alan T Litchfield Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Forum Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only ... What you're saying basically is that Adobe blames its customers for its relative low profit margins and share price. If only

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] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 3:15 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Steve Johnson chinask...@gmail.com wrote: ... you can't buy old versions of anything from

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: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only Customers value a business based on the goods or services it provides, not on how much money it makes for its stockholders. Adobe hasn't come up with anything new I thought was worth paying for since 2002. On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 1:19

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@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only Customers value a business based on the goods or services it provides, not on how much money it makes for its stockholders. Adobe hasn't come up with anything new I thought was worth paying for since 2002. On Mon

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How about you doing some reading and making a to-do list of the basic features that FrameMaker users have been requesting for years? An easy way to find out what many of those are is to look at the plug-ins that people are willing to pay for. How are book-level variables, real templates, and

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Or broken by FM9 and added back in as new features in later releases. On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Alan T Litchfield a...@alphabyte.co.nz wrote: Maxwell, I think you are missing the point. His comment is in reference to value (however that might be measured) in the statement I thought

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An easy way to find out what many of those are is to look at the plug-ins that people are willing to pay for.  Good point. Nadine ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to

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Adobe already controls piracy using activation. The only difference with the subscription model is that your license has a timeout. On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Craig Ede wrote: > The subscription model probably does help them deal with piracy. In that > sense, they are urging a part of

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

How about you doing some reading and making a to-do list of the basic features that FrameMaker users have been requesting for years? An easy way to find out what many of those are is to look at the plug-ins that people are willing to pay for. How are book-level variables, real templates, and

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

Or broken by FM9 and added back in as "new features" in later releases. On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Alan T Litchfield wrote: > Maxwell, I think you are missing the point. > > His comment is in reference to value (however that might be measured) in the > statement "I thought was worth

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>An easy way to find out what many of those are is to look at the >plug-ins that people are willing to pay for.? Good point. Nadine

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> >An easy way to find out what many of those are is to look at the > >plug-ins that people are willing to pay for. > > Good point. > > Nadine Indeed a very good point! For me, book level variables are vital for my specifications ... that is what BookVars from Leximation provides and has yet

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: Monday, May 13, 2013 4:08 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only Craig Ede wrote: Your point about ownership is well taken. However, having a disk does mean that you have access to a given software package you can count

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 4:08 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only Craig Ede wrote: > Your point about ownership is well taken. However, having a disk does > mean that you have access to a given software packa

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

: Saturday, May 11, 2013 7:08 PM To: Alan T Litchfield Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Forum Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only ... What you're saying basically is that Adobe blames its customers for its relative low profit margins and share price

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 3:15 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Steve Johnson wrote: > ... you can't buy old versions of anything from anybody e

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Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only Customers value a business based on the goods or services it provides, not on how much money it makes for its stockholders. Adobe hasn't come up with anything new I thought was worth paying for since 2002. On Mon, May 13

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At 08:00 +1200 14/5/13, Alan T Litchfield wrote: The retail reseller channel does not exist anymore. It was that channel I referred to when I said that they are too expensive to maintain and why Adobe has gone direct to the market. Ah, right - I understand. No, I don't remember anything

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

I think my response is far from the mission of this forum but the statement below just hooked me, it is also a nice diversion from the daily work to read all the responses, and I bet our thoughts trickle back into Adobe. A previous post said: The problem with customers is that they cost money to

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On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Harro de Jong harro.dej...@triviewgroup.com wrote: The FM9 license states that ' you acknowledge that any obligation Adobe may have to support the previous version(s) may end upon the availability of the upgrade or update.' IANAL, but to me that implies they

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On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Steve Johnson chinask...@gmail.com wrote: ... you can't buy old versions of anything from anybody ever ... Maybe licensed resellers have to return all old software when a new version is released, but the FrameMaker 10 license allows you to sell your rights: You

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Customers value a business based on the goods or services it provides, not on how much money it makes for its stockholders. Adobe hasn't come up with anything new I thought was worth paying for since 2002. On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 1:19 PM, dave.st...@gdc4s.com wrote: The purpose of business is

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

Thanks. Those are the corporate resellers I was referring to previously. The retail reseller channel does not exist anymore. It was that channel I referred to when I said that they are too expensive to maintain and why Adobe has gone direct to the market. The added value is worked out in terms

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

At 08:00 +1200 14/5/13, Alan T Litchfield wrote: > The retail reseller channel does not exist anymore. It was that channel I > referred to when I said that they are too expensive to maintain and why Adobe > has gone direct to the market. Ah, right - I understand. No, I don't remember anything

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At 07:11 +1200 13/5/13, Alan T Litchfield wrote: These are resellers as in, computer shops selling boxes and stuff? You know, retail channel? Not shops as such: my understanding is that they sell Adobe products and also training. I have dealt with two recently: Certitec and Phoenix Software.

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Adobe introduces subscription-based licensing. So many of its users find it an outstanding value that over time, most of them license software by subscription. Adobe is rewarded for being innovative and Adobe serves its customers better. Everybody wins. Adobe ends its relationship with resellers

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One benefit of the subscription model is that a company can focus 100% on the current and next releases. That should significantly reduce support costs, eliminates the cost of providing and distributing patch releases for old versions, and reduces various other costs due to reduced complexity. On

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That's some interesting points and some of them are probably partially true. What you're saying basically is that Adobe blames its customers for its relative low profit margins and share price. If only we were more rational and obedient, Adobe would be better off. You're side of the mark about

RE: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

Craig Ede wrote: Your point about ownership is well taken. However, having a disk does mean that you have access to a given software package you can count on (and not some changing version of it). Also, given that license, they cannot revoke your ability of use the software in that

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madness - Adobe software to be subscription only “That's how capitalism is supposed to work.” I don't mean to nitpick, but is that capitalism or free market? *steps back out of Dave's swing range* =D Nadine ___ You are currently subscribed

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Now, Dave, that's not what Google told me when I did a 2 second search on capitalism vs free market. *figuratively checks to make sure the figurative pin is back in the figurative grenade, then goes back to earning money to support her smart assery* Nadine   Nadine - Nadine, I certainly

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The purpose of business is to make money. The purpose of business is _not_ to produce a valuable good or to deliver a worthwhile service. The purpose of business is to _make_money_. I'd go beyond the above a little bit more. :) In my blog on this topic (at this link:

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Hi Steve, These are resellers as in, computer shops selling boxes and stuff? You know, retail channel? Thanks Alan On 12/05/13 11:09 PM, Steve Rickaby wrote: > At 16:42 +1200 12/5/13, Alan T Litchfield wrote: > >> Resellers are expensive to support and no longer bring real value to the >>

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At 07:11 +1200 13/5/13, Alan T Litchfield wrote: >These are resellers as in, computer shops selling boxes and stuff? You know, >retail channel? Not shops as such: my understanding is that they sell Adobe products and also training. I have dealt with two recently: Certitec and Phoenix Software.

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Craig Ede wrote: > Your point about ownership is well taken. However, having a disk does mean > that > you have access to a given software package you can count on (and not some > changing version of it). Also, given that license, they cannot revoke your > ability of > use the software in that

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om: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Johnson Sent: 2013-05-12-Sunday 09:52 To: Alan T Litchfield Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Forum Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only Adobe introduc

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>?That's how capitalism is supposed to work.? I don't mean to nitpick, but is that capitalism or free market? *steps back out of Dave's swing range* =D Nadine

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mers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only >?That's how capitalism is supposed to work.? I don't mean to nitpick, but is that capitalism or free market? *steps back out of Dave's swing range* =D Nadine

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Now, Dave, that's not what Google told me when I did a 2 second search on "capitalism vs free market". *figuratively checks to make sure the figurative pin is back in the figurative grenade, then goes back to earning money to support her smart assery* Nadine ? > Nadine - > > Nadine, I

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> The purpose of business is to make money. The purpose of business is _not_ > to produce a valuable good or to deliver a worthwhile service. The purpose > of business is to _make_money_. I'd go beyond the above a little bit more. :) In my blog on this topic (at this link:

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

I think my response is far from the mission of this forum but the statement below just hooked me, it is also a nice diversion from the daily work to read all the responses, and I bet our thoughts trickle back into Adobe. A previous post said: "The problem with customers is that they cost money

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Harro de Jong wrote: > The FM9 license states that ' you acknowledge that any obligation Adobe may > have to support the previous version(s) may end upon the availability of the > upgrade or update.' IANAL, but to me that implies they can turn off your >

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Steve Johnson wrote: > ... you can't buy old versions of anything from anybody ever ... Maybe licensed resellers have to return all old software when a new version is released, but the FrameMaker 10 license allows you to sell your rights: "You may ...

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

Customers value a business based on the goods or services it provides, not on how much money it makes for its stockholders. Adobe hasn't come up with anything new I thought was worth paying for since 2002. On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 1:19 PM, wrote: > The purpose of business is to make money. The

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At 16:42 +1200 12/5/13, Alan T Litchfield wrote: Resellers are expensive to support and no longer bring real value to the product. With the advance of Internet and peer support of products, Adobe had long since removed the reseller from the channel. Without responding to the many other issues,

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Hi Steve, These are resellers as in, computer shops selling boxes and stuff? You know, retail channel? Thanks Alan On 12/05/13 11:09 PM, Steve Rickaby wrote: At 16:42 +1200 12/5/13, Alan T Litchfield wrote: Resellers are expensive to support and no longer bring real value to the product.

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On 12/05/2013, at 6:36 AM, Steve Johnson wrote: > Almost everyone keeps ignoring the question of CHOICE. There's no > doubt you can make a case for subscription but you can also make a > case for getting the disks or downloading the software. > > Of what benefit to Adobe is depriving us to

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Funny how people put words between the lines... On 12/05/13 12:08 PM, Steve Johnson wrote: > That's some interesting points and some of them are probably partially > true. What you're saying basically is that Adobe blames its customers > for its relative low profit margins and share price. If

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

Adobe introduces subscription-based licensing. So many of its users find it an outstanding value that over time, most of them license software by subscription. Adobe is rewarded for being innovative and Adobe serves its customers better. Everybody wins. Adobe ends its relationship with resellers

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Yes, Steve, it's true. There will be no CS7, just CC (Creative Cloud) apps. http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud.html Single apps can be rented for $20/month, the entire suite is $50/month. There are first year discounts for some current users. CC requires that your computer get

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...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of John Posada Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 11:59 AM To: Steve Rickaby Cc: FrameUsers List Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only Look at your license agreement...you dont own them

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-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alison Craig Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 12:05 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Writer; Steve Rickaby Subject: RE: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only It's not just freelancers

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@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only It's not SaaS, it's subscription. Yes, the name Creative Cloud (CC) is confusing but it's not web-only applications. You download and install them. I like this model for a few reasons: 1. Cheaper for multi

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] On Behalf Of Bill Swallow Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 2:22 PM To: Steve Rickaby Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only It's not SaaS, it's subscription. Yes, the name Creative Cloud (CC) is confusing but it's not web-only

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On 12/05/2013, at 6:36 AM, Steve Johnson wrote: Almost everyone keeps ignoring the question of CHOICE. There's no doubt you can make a case for subscription but you can also make a case for getting the disks or downloading the software. Of what benefit to Adobe is depriving us to choose

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This is why I'm uncomfortable with suites of software. Especially ones that are so interdependent. I don't like having all my eggs in one basket. Nadine PS: Z, you seem to be good with numbers. How much are we going to need to raise to create an FM competitor? Almost everyone keeps ignoring

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Funny how people put words between the lines... On 12/05/13 12:08 PM, Steve Johnson wrote: That's some interesting points and some of them are probably partially true. What you're saying basically is that Adobe blames its customers for its relative low profit margins and share price. If only we

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.com] On Behalf Of Bill Swallow > Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 2:22 PM > To: Steve Rickaby > Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only > > It's not SaaS, it's subscription. Yes, the name "Creative Cloud"

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This is why I'm uncomfortable with suites of software. Especially ones that are so interdependent. I don't like having all my eggs in one basket. Nadine PS: Z, you seem to be good with numbers. How much are we going to need to raise to create an FM competitor? >Almost everyone keeps ignoring

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

One benefit of the subscription model is that a company can focus 100% on the current and next releases. That should significantly reduce support costs, eliminates the cost of providing and distributing patch releases for old versions, and reduces various other costs due to reduced complexity. On

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

That's some interesting points and some of them are probably partially true. What you're saying basically is that Adobe blames its customers for its relative low profit margins and share price. If only we were more rational and obedient, Adobe would be better off. You're side of the mark about

Re: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

One problem that I foresee with 'Cloud' based solutions is that I have a number of customers who are on private/military grade networks who have *no* access to any services outside of their own network. This configuration currently makes the FrameMaker license activation a right pain ...

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

Agreed to most, except the issue of backward compatibility. As it stands now, I can open old versions of files in old version of software because I have the applications. I don't know how this will be handled with the new software as it evolves. It will only take three years for this to be a

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

>> As for cars, leasing has been a huge business for a couple of decades. >> There's also a growing adoption of ride shares (pay for shared use of a >> car), and rentals still are thriving. >> Yes, but when they started leasing cars, they didn't remove the option to buy them! I'm not against

OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription only

One problem that I foresee with 'Cloud' based solutions is that I have a number of customers who are on private/military grade networks who have *no* access to any services outside of their own network. This configuration currently makes the FrameMaker license activation a right pain ... But

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