Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

2015-02-24 Thread Lin Sims
Would a corrupt .joboptions file result in the sort of file size increase I
saw? I just tried creating a PDF using the Standard option, and everything
was fine.

On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 3:01 PM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com wrote:

 It does a bit, doesn't it? I've never really dug into Distiller, so I'm
 going to spend some time with the PDF Creation Settings manual and see if
 it sheds any light on the issue.

 This is the first job I've ever had that actually created a customized
 joboptions file. Always before, I picked Standard. However, the people
 controlling that sort of thing are no longer in control, so I'm free to
 explore a bit and see if there's something that works better. Especially
 since I suspect it hasn't been looked at in a long time. Would you believe,
 it was still set to be compatible with Acrobat 4.0?

 On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com
 wrote:

 That seems bizarre.

 On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 7:00 AM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com wrote:
  FYI to all, I changed the image compression options from JPEG to off,
 since
  we only use either SVGs or PNGs in our documents.
 
  The file size dropped dramatically. As in, it's back to what I expected.




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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

2015-02-24 Thread Lin Sims
It does a bit, doesn't it? I've never really dug into Distiller, so I'm
going to spend some time with the PDF Creation Settings manual and see if
it sheds any light on the issue.

This is the first job I've ever had that actually created a customized
joboptions file. Always before, I picked Standard. However, the people
controlling that sort of thing are no longer in control, so I'm free to
explore a bit and see if there's something that works better. Especially
since I suspect it hasn't been looked at in a long time. Would you believe,
it was still set to be compatible with Acrobat 4.0?

On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com
wrote:

 That seems bizarre.

 On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 7:00 AM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com wrote:
  FYI to all, I changed the image compression options from JPEG to off,
 since
  we only use either SVGs or PNGs in our documents.
 
  The file size dropped dramatically. As in, it's back to what I expected.




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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

2015-02-24 Thread Lin Sims
And that's what it was. When I replaced the copy I had with a clean
version, generated a PDF, then used the Save As Reduced size, it came out
perfectly.

Seriously, you'd think I'd be happier about solving the problem, but what a
bloody piddly thing it turned out to be to take all that time to fix.

Oh, well. Next problem ...

On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com
wrote:

 Seems plausible. Inappropriate .joboptions settings can cause massive
 bloat.

 On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com wrote:
  Would a corrupt .joboptions file result in the sort of file size
 increase I
  saw? I just tried creating a PDF using the Standard option, and
 everything
  was fine.
 
  On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 3:01 PM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  It does a bit, doesn't it? I've never really dug into Distiller, so I'm
  going to spend some time with the PDF Creation Settings manual and see
 if it
  sheds any light on the issue.
 
  This is the first job I've ever had that actually created a customized
  joboptions file. Always before, I picked Standard. However, the people
  controlling that sort of thing are no longer in control, so I'm free to
  explore a bit and see if there's something that works better. Especially
  since I suspect it hasn't been looked at in a long time. Would you
 believe,
  it was still set to be compatible with Acrobat 4.0?
 
  On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com
 
  wrote:
 
  That seems bizarre.
 
  On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 7:00 AM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com wrote:
   FYI to all, I changed the image compression options from JPEG to off,
   since
   we only use either SVGs or PNGs in our documents.
  
   The file size dropped dramatically. As in, it's back to what I
   expected.




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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

2015-02-24 Thread Robert Lauriston
Seems plausible. Inappropriate .joboptions settings can cause massive bloat.

On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com wrote:
 Would a corrupt .joboptions file result in the sort of file size increase I
 saw? I just tried creating a PDF using the Standard option, and everything
 was fine.

 On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 3:01 PM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com wrote:

 It does a bit, doesn't it? I've never really dug into Distiller, so I'm
 going to spend some time with the PDF Creation Settings manual and see if it
 sheds any light on the issue.

 This is the first job I've ever had that actually created a customized
 joboptions file. Always before, I picked Standard. However, the people
 controlling that sort of thing are no longer in control, so I'm free to
 explore a bit and see if there's something that works better. Especially
 since I suspect it hasn't been looked at in a long time. Would you believe,
 it was still set to be compatible with Acrobat 4.0?

 On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com
 wrote:

 That seems bizarre.

 On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 7:00 AM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com wrote:
  FYI to all, I changed the image compression options from JPEG to off,
  since
  we only use either SVGs or PNGs in our documents.
 
  The file size dropped dramatically. As in, it's back to what I
  expected.
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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

2015-02-24 Thread Lin Sims
FYI to all, I changed the image compression options from JPEG to off, since
we only use either SVGs or PNGs in our documents.

The file size dropped dramatically. As in, it's back to what I expected.

Now if I can just get the text within the SVG graphics to be searchable (a
major reason for the upgrade), I'll be happy. I'm already in touch with
Kapil about that.

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com wrote:

 And, just testing it, but Adobe Acrobat was not able to find text inside a
 graphic, which was a big reason why we upgraded. I'll have to look into
 that, but I bet you're right, Robert. I bet that's the cause.

 On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com wrote:

 blink

 Shoot, you're right. Adobe finally fixed the SVG generation into PDF so
 that the SVG graphics are searchable again. Or so they say, I haven't
 actually tried to search for anything.

 On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com
 wrote:

 Maybe there's a change in how FrameMaker 12 handles SVGs when
 generating PDFs? Could the rasterization quality default have changed?

 On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com wrote:
  Nope. All the images are SVGs that are copied into the file (yes, I
 know,
  but we're kinda stuck with that as part of the process).
 
  On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Robert Lauriston 
 rob...@lauriston.com
  wrote:
 
  Are of the image compression options different?
 
  On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com
 wrote:
   Nope. It's off by default. I had switched it on for one of the PDF
   generations, because I was hoping to use the import comments from
 PDF to
   Frame, but it turns out that really isn't as useful as I'd hoped,
 so the
   next time I created the PDF, I made sure it was off.
  
  
  
   On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Robert Lauriston 
 rob...@lauriston.com
   wrote:
  
   If that happened to me, I'd still want to know where the bloat was
   coming from. PDFs larger than 10MB still present problems for me on
   occasion, and files becoming 4X larger without any additional data
   strongly suggests that a property setting was inappropriately
 changed
   in the upgrade or some new property setting is at an inappropriate
   default.
  
   The Generate Tagged PDF option didn't get switched on, did it?
  
   On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com
 wrote:
Well, on the minus side, regenerating those files and trying all
 the
tips
y'all have so kindly provided has not reduced the file size
appreciably.
   
On the plus side, I've discovered that it is, in fact, possible
 to
put
the
shared-review-enabled PDF onto the cloud storage site, where we
 have
unlimited storage. The reviewers still have to download it
 locally,
but
they
always had to do that. I no longer need to send it as an
 attachment
to
an
email, so the situation has become the one Fred thought it was to
begin
with. :-)
  
  
  
  
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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

2015-02-24 Thread Robert Lauriston
That seems bizarre.

On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 7:00 AM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com wrote:
 FYI to all, I changed the image compression options from JPEG to off, since
 we only use either SVGs or PNGs in our documents.

 The file size dropped dramatically. As in, it's back to what I expected.
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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

2015-02-23 Thread Lin Sims
And, just testing it, but Adobe Acrobat was not able to find text inside a
graphic, which was a big reason why we upgraded. I'll have to look into
that, but I bet you're right, Robert. I bet that's the cause.

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com wrote:

 blink

 Shoot, you're right. Adobe finally fixed the SVG generation into PDF so
 that the SVG graphics are searchable again. Or so they say, I haven't
 actually tried to search for anything.

 On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com
 wrote:

 Maybe there's a change in how FrameMaker 12 handles SVGs when
 generating PDFs? Could the rasterization quality default have changed?

 On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com wrote:
  Nope. All the images are SVGs that are copied into the file (yes, I
 know,
  but we're kinda stuck with that as part of the process).
 
  On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com
 
  wrote:
 
  Are of the image compression options different?
 
  On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com
 wrote:
   Nope. It's off by default. I had switched it on for one of the PDF
   generations, because I was hoping to use the import comments from
 PDF to
   Frame, but it turns out that really isn't as useful as I'd hoped, so
 the
   next time I created the PDF, I made sure it was off.
  
  
  
   On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Robert Lauriston 
 rob...@lauriston.com
   wrote:
  
   If that happened to me, I'd still want to know where the bloat was
   coming from. PDFs larger than 10MB still present problems for me on
   occasion, and files becoming 4X larger without any additional data
   strongly suggests that a property setting was inappropriately
 changed
   in the upgrade or some new property setting is at an inappropriate
   default.
  
   The Generate Tagged PDF option didn't get switched on, did it?
  
   On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com
 wrote:
Well, on the minus side, regenerating those files and trying all
 the
tips
y'all have so kindly provided has not reduced the file size
appreciably.
   
On the plus side, I've discovered that it is, in fact, possible to
put
the
shared-review-enabled PDF onto the cloud storage site, where we
 have
unlimited storage. The reviewers still have to download it
 locally,
but
they
always had to do that. I no longer need to send it as an
 attachment
to
an
email, so the situation has become the one Fred thought it was to
begin
with. :-)
  
  
  
  
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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

2015-02-23 Thread Lin Sims
blink

Shoot, you're right. Adobe finally fixed the SVG generation into PDF so
that the SVG graphics are searchable again. Or so they say, I haven't
actually tried to search for anything.

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com
wrote:

 Maybe there's a change in how FrameMaker 12 handles SVGs when
 generating PDFs? Could the rasterization quality default have changed?

 On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com wrote:
  Nope. All the images are SVGs that are copied into the file (yes, I know,
  but we're kinda stuck with that as part of the process).
 
  On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com
  wrote:
 
  Are of the image compression options different?
 
  On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com wrote:
   Nope. It's off by default. I had switched it on for one of the PDF
   generations, because I was hoping to use the import comments from PDF
 to
   Frame, but it turns out that really isn't as useful as I'd hoped, so
 the
   next time I created the PDF, I made sure it was off.
  
  
  
   On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Robert Lauriston 
 rob...@lauriston.com
   wrote:
  
   If that happened to me, I'd still want to know where the bloat was
   coming from. PDFs larger than 10MB still present problems for me on
   occasion, and files becoming 4X larger without any additional data
   strongly suggests that a property setting was inappropriately changed
   in the upgrade or some new property setting is at an inappropriate
   default.
  
   The Generate Tagged PDF option didn't get switched on, did it?
  
   On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com
 wrote:
Well, on the minus side, regenerating those files and trying all
 the
tips
y'all have so kindly provided has not reduced the file size
appreciably.
   
On the plus side, I've discovered that it is, in fact, possible to
put
the
shared-review-enabled PDF onto the cloud storage site, where we
 have
unlimited storage. The reviewers still have to download it locally,
but
they
always had to do that. I no longer need to send it as an attachment
to
an
email, so the situation has become the one Fred thought it was to
begin
with. :-)
  
  
  
  
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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

2015-02-23 Thread Lin Sims
Well, on the minus side, regenerating those files and trying all the tips
y'all have so kindly provided has not reduced the file size appreciably.

On the plus side, I've discovered that it is, in fact, possible to put the
shared-review-enabled PDF onto the cloud storage site, where we have
unlimited storage. The reviewers still have to download it locally, but
they always had to do that. I no longer need to send it as an attachment to
an email, so the situation has become the one Fred thought it was to begin
with. :-)

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 3:53 AM, Davis, David 
david.da...@non.schneider-electric.com wrote:

 Lin,
 As far as I recall, modern versions of Adobe Reader autogenerate the PDF
 bookmark pane and thumbnails on the fly if you ask them to,
 so if megabytes are really that tight for you, you could probably ditch
 them anyway?

 David


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 Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 14:16:20 -0500
 From: Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com
 To: David Boss bossc...@rogers.com
 Cc: Frame Users framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding
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 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

 Thanks for the tip. I tried removing everything but the metadata (which
 was only the doc title), but it only trimmed about 2Mb off and took the
 bookmarks with it.

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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

2015-02-23 Thread Robert Lauriston
If that happened to me, I'd still want to know where the bloat was
coming from. PDFs larger than 10MB still present problems for me on
occasion, and files becoming 4X larger without any additional data
strongly suggests that a property setting was inappropriately changed
in the upgrade or some new property setting is at an inappropriate
default.

The Generate Tagged PDF option didn't get switched on, did it?

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com wrote:
 Well, on the minus side, regenerating those files and trying all the tips
 y'all have so kindly provided has not reduced the file size appreciably.

 On the plus side, I've discovered that it is, in fact, possible to put the
 shared-review-enabled PDF onto the cloud storage site, where we have
 unlimited storage. The reviewers still have to download it locally, but they
 always had to do that. I no longer need to send it as an attachment to an
 email, so the situation has become the one Fred thought it was to begin
 with. :-)
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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

2015-02-23 Thread Robert Lauriston
Are of the image compression options different?

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com wrote:
 Nope. It's off by default. I had switched it on for one of the PDF
 generations, because I was hoping to use the import comments from PDF to
 Frame, but it turns out that really isn't as useful as I'd hoped, so the
 next time I created the PDF, I made sure it was off.



 On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com
 wrote:

 If that happened to me, I'd still want to know where the bloat was
 coming from. PDFs larger than 10MB still present problems for me on
 occasion, and files becoming 4X larger without any additional data
 strongly suggests that a property setting was inappropriately changed
 in the upgrade or some new property setting is at an inappropriate
 default.

 The Generate Tagged PDF option didn't get switched on, did it?

 On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com wrote:
  Well, on the minus side, regenerating those files and trying all the
  tips
  y'all have so kindly provided has not reduced the file size appreciably.
 
  On the plus side, I've discovered that it is, in fact, possible to put
  the
  shared-review-enabled PDF onto the cloud storage site, where we have
  unlimited storage. The reviewers still have to download it locally, but
  they
  always had to do that. I no longer need to send it as an attachment to
  an
  email, so the situation has become the one Fred thought it was to begin
  with. :-)




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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

2015-02-23 Thread Lin Sims
Nope. All the images are SVGs that are copied into the file (yes, I know,
but we're kinda stuck with that as part of the process).

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com
wrote:

 Are of the image compression options different?

 On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com wrote:
  Nope. It's off by default. I had switched it on for one of the PDF
  generations, because I was hoping to use the import comments from PDF to
  Frame, but it turns out that really isn't as useful as I'd hoped, so the
  next time I created the PDF, I made sure it was off.
 
 
 
  On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com
  wrote:
 
  If that happened to me, I'd still want to know where the bloat was
  coming from. PDFs larger than 10MB still present problems for me on
  occasion, and files becoming 4X larger without any additional data
  strongly suggests that a property setting was inappropriately changed
  in the upgrade or some new property setting is at an inappropriate
  default.
 
  The Generate Tagged PDF option didn't get switched on, did it?
 
  On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com wrote:
   Well, on the minus side, regenerating those files and trying all the
   tips
   y'all have so kindly provided has not reduced the file size
 appreciably.
  
   On the plus side, I've discovered that it is, in fact, possible to put
   the
   shared-review-enabled PDF onto the cloud storage site, where we have
   unlimited storage. The reviewers still have to download it locally,
 but
   they
   always had to do that. I no longer need to send it as an attachment to
   an
   email, so the situation has become the one Fred thought it was to
 begin
   with. :-)
 
 
 
 
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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

2015-02-20 Thread Davis, David
Lin,
As far as I recall, modern versions of Adobe Reader autogenerate the PDF 
bookmark pane and thumbnails on the fly if you ask them to,
so if megabytes are really that tight for you, you could probably ditch them 
anyway?

David


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Thanks for the tip. I tried removing everything but the metadata (which was 
only the doc title), but it only trimmed about 2Mb off and took the bookmarks 
with it.

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RE: FM12: PDF file size exploding

2015-02-18 Thread David Boss
Don't remove Links, actions and javascripts and the bookmarks will be 
retained. 

Unfortunately, although it can reduce file size by up to 70% in my experience, 
sometimes the reduction is minimal.

 

David

 

Boss Communications / Boss Photographic

 http://www.bosscommunications.com/ www.bosscommunications.com / 
www.bossphotographic.com

 

From: Lin Sims [mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com] 
Sent: February-18-15 2:16 PM
To: David Boss
Cc: Frame Users
Subject: Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

 

Thanks for the tip. I tried removing everything but the metadata (which was 
only the doc title), but it only trimmed about 2Mb off and took the bookmarks 
with it. 

 

On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 1:36 PM, David Boss bossc...@rogers.com 
mailto:bossc...@rogers.com  wrote:

Try Tools  Protection  Remove Hidden Information. Even if you only select
something like Hidden text,  it removes a lot of other things like reader
extensions, review and forms workflows, and information added by third-party
applications.  It can reduce the file size significantly.

David

Boss Communications / Boss Photographic
www.bosscommunications.com http://www.bosscommunications.com  / 
www.bossphotographic.com http://www.bossphotographic.com 



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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

2015-02-18 Thread Lin Sims
Yeah, I tried that, too. As you said, the difference was fairly minimal. I
am hoping that the next time I create the generated files that things clear
up, since they'll essentially be from scratch. Possibly when I was doing
work elsewhere in the document, they got caught in an edit they shouldn't
have.



On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 2:31 PM, David Boss bossc...@rogers.com wrote:

 Don't remove Links, actions and javascripts and the bookmarks will be
 retained.

 Unfortunately, although it can reduce file size by up to 70% in my
 experience, sometimes the reduction is minimal.



 David



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 www.bosscommunications.com / www.bossphotographic.com



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 *Sent:* February-18-15 2:16 PM
 *To:* David Boss
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 Thanks for the tip. I tried removing everything but the metadata (which
 was only the doc title), but it only trimmed about 2Mb off and took the
 bookmarks with it.



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 Try Tools  Protection  Remove Hidden Information. Even if you only select
 something like Hidden text,  it removes a lot of other things like reader
 extensions, review and forms workflows, and information added by
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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

2015-02-18 Thread Lin Sims
Thanks for the tip. I tried removing everything but the metadata (which was
only the doc title), but it only trimmed about 2Mb off and took the
bookmarks with it.

On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 1:36 PM, David Boss bossc...@rogers.com wrote:

 Try Tools  Protection  Remove Hidden Information. Even if you only select
 something like Hidden text,  it removes a lot of other things like reader
 extensions, review and forms workflows, and information added by
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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

2015-02-18 Thread David Boss
Try Tools  Protection  Remove Hidden Information. Even if you only select
something like Hidden text,  it removes a lot of other things like reader
extensions, review and forms workflows, and information added by third-party
applications.  It can reduce the file size significantly.

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RE: FM12: PDF file size exploding

2015-02-17 Thread Fred Ridder
Not to minimize your question, but...

With the cost of computer storage running about $0.10 per gigabyte for hard 
disk or $0.50 per gigabyte for SSD, I'm not sure it's worthwhile worrying about 
10 MB more or less. That's less than 1/2 cent's worth of storage space. Unless 
you know your documents are going to be posted on a website where a significant 
number of users do not have anything resembling broadband access, spending more 
than a few seconds worrying about 10 MB in file size does not yield a good 
return on investment.

-Fred Ridder

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:26:35 -0500
Subject: FM12: PDF file size exploding
From: ljsims...@gmail.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com

Has anyone had an issue with the size of a generated PDF increasing 
dramatically after moving a book from FM10 to FM12 (or any earlier version of 
FM to FM12)?

I've got a book that's gone from under 3M to over 12M, and that's AFTER running 
the Save as Reduced Size.

Is this a bug, have I not set something up in either FM12 or Acrobat 10 
correctly, or is there a solution?

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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

2015-02-17 Thread Lin Sims
The PDF has to be posted as a shared review on a cloud web storage site.
There's a size limit to what you can upload. My company is using corporate
GMAIL and I have a 30Gb limit on storage, and for now I have to attach a
shared review enabled PDF to an email to allow reviewers to join the
review*. Admittedly, this one file isn't going to break either of those
limits, but it's not something I can keep doing for a long period of time.
Plus the sudden increase in size worries me. If there's a problem with the
files, I need to find it before things get hosed (and yes, I did run all
the files through a MIF wash).

*I will be testing setting up a shared review by storing the shared review
PDF on the cloud drive and sending a link instead, but until I do, I know
this works.

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Not to minimize your question, but...

 With the cost of computer storage running about $0.10 per gigabyte for
 hard disk or $0.50 per gigabyte for SSD, I'm not sure it's worthwhile
 worrying about 10 MB more or less. That's less than 1/2 cent's worth of
 storage space. Unless you know your documents are going to be posted on a
 website where a significant number of users do not have anything resembling
 broadband access, spending more than a few seconds worrying about 10 MB in
 file size does not yield a good return on investment.

 -Fred Ridder

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 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:26:35 -0500
 Subject: FM12: PDF file size exploding
 From: ljsims...@gmail.com
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com


 Has anyone had an issue with the size of a generated PDF increasing
 dramatically after moving a book from FM10 to FM12 (or any earlier version
 of FM to FM12)?

 I've got a book that's gone from under 3M to over 12M, and that's AFTER
 running the Save as Reduced Size.

 Is this a bug, have I not set something up in either FM12 or Acrobat 10
 correctly, or is there a solution?

 Thanks,

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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

2015-02-17 Thread Lin Sims
Ah! More information I left out!

The book is an unstructured book, but it includes 3 files that were created
from structured data. Those 3 files are still structured, because that's
the only way to keep the xref links working.

The process is this:

   1. An Excel 2010 spreadsheet is converted to multiple .xml files by
   using a script, which inserts the correct DITA tags and also creates a
   .ditamap for them.
   2. The ditamap is converted into a Frame book using DITAFMx, which gives
   me a book file with a TOC and a single .xml.fm file.
   3. The .xml.fm file is added to an unstructured Frame book but is left
   as a structured file.
   4. The book is updated/generated and then a PDF is generated using Save
   As PDF.

As I said, when I was working in FM10, the PDF had a size of about 3, 3.5M.

The files were recently converted from FM10 to FM12. When I use the above
process and generate the PDF from FM12, the file size has gone to about
12-13M. The files that had been converted from .xml to .fm have not changed
since the last time I created the PDF in FM10. The rest of the files have
changed but not in a major way.

In a few days I expect to regenerate those .xml files from the source
Excel, so maybe something will change. It just seemed weird that the move
from FM10 to FM12 seemed to result in such a large increase in the PDF size.

I'll keep y'all posted.

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Scott Prentice s...@leximation.com wrote:

  If these files started off as XML or structured files, and the others
 didn't, there could definitely be some extra cruft in there. You probably
 checked this already, but are these files still structured?

 I haven't noticed any significant size difference in PDFs from XML from
 FM11 to FM12. I just did a quick test of a single page .. when saved to PDF
 from FM11 it's 63KB and from FM12 it's 69 KB .. over 100 pages that might
 be a difference of 60KB. Not a big difference from my perspective.

 Doing a similar test with an unstructured file, the FM11 PDF is 34 KB and
 the FM12 PDF is 40KB.

 The structured/XML sourced file actually has less content than the
 unstructured file, and the resulting PDF is larger .. so it's possible that
 your PDFs that come from XML may be larger. And there does seem to be an
 increase in size (from both structured and unstructured) in PDFs from FM11
 to FM12.

 You might check to see if your files are still structured .. removing the
 structure (if that's the intent) might reduce the file size. Also, since
 these files came through a different path, they may have additional
 content/graphics/?? on reference pages which could increase the file size.

 Cheers,
 ...scott

 On 2/17/15 9:50 AM, Lin Sims wrote:

  After a bit of testing, the increase seems to be linked to 3 files that
 were created using DITAFMx from a batch of xml files that were generated by
 script from an Excel workbook. Interestingly, these files have always been
 part of the document (and inserted in the same way), so I'm not sure why
 there's a sudden file size increase.

  I'll be regenerating these files again soon, so I'll see if the increase
 continues. It's still odd.

 On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:39 PM, David Spreadbury dspre...@yahoo.com
 wrote:

  Lin,
 I just tested your issue opening a 12 page text only structured
 FM7.2 file and saving it as FM12.
 Did nothing more than open the FM7.2 in FM12 and then save it as a FM12
 document.
 Printed FM12 version using Acro XI Adobe PDF driver.
 Distilled postscript to PDF.
 FM7.2 file size=358KB Acro 8 PDF=207KB
 FM12 file size=8630KB Acro XI PDF=278KB
 This was one chapter of a 30+ chapter book.
 The Acro8 PDF of the book is 3025KB.
 I can open and update all the chapters, but with only 70KB increase in
 one chapter, I would expect a slight increase in the book, but nothing like
 you are experiencing.

  Dave


On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 11:18 AM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com
 wrote:



The PDF has to be posted as a shared review on a cloud web storage
 site. There's a size limit to what you can upload. My company is using
 corporate GMAIL and I have a 30Gb limit on storage, and for now I have to
 attach a shared review enabled PDF to an email to allow reviewers to join
 the review*. Admittedly, this one file isn't going to break either of those
 limits, but it's not something I can keep doing for a long period of time.
 Plus the sudden increase in size worries me. If there's a problem with the
 files, I need to find it before things get hosed (and yes, I did run all
 the files through a MIF wash).

  *I will be testing setting up a shared review by storing the shared
 review PDF on the cloud drive and sending a link instead, but until I do, I
 know this works.

  On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com
 wrote:

  Not to minimize your question, but...

 With the cost of computer storage running about $0.10 per gigabyte for
 hard disk or $0.50 per gigabyte for SSD, I'm not sure 

RE: FM12: PDF file size exploding

2015-02-17 Thread Abungu, Salome
I’m not sure if this would work in structured FrameMaker but you could change 
the PDF compatibility before printing. The File compatibility bloats the size 
of the PDF if you make your document compatible with too many past versions of 
Adobe Reader.


1)  Go to print document under the File dropdown

2)  Under Printer select Setup and then select Adobe PDF from the Print 
Setup display screen

3)  From the same screen select Properties…

4)  From the Adobe PDF Document Properties display screen select Edit next 
to the Default Settings

5)  From the Standard – Adobe PDF Settings display screen, go to the 
Compatibility dropdown under File Options. Select the latest version of PDF 
available.

6)  Select OK. A Save Adobe PDF Settings As window will appear. Give a new 
name to this job option and then press Save.




Salome



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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 2:08 PM
To: Scott Prentice
Cc: Frame Users
Subject: Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

Ah! More information I left out!
The book is an unstructured book, but it includes 3 files that were created 
from structured data. Those 3 files are still structured, because that's the 
only way to keep the xref links working.
The process is this:

  1.  An Excel 2010 spreadsheet is converted to multiple .xml files by using a 
script, which inserts the correct DITA tags and also creates a .ditamap for 
them.
  2.  The ditamap is converted into a Frame book using DITAFMx, which gives me 
a book file with a TOC and a single .xml.fmhttp://xml.fm file.
  3.  The .xml.fmhttp://xml.fm file is added to an unstructured Frame book 
but is left as a structured file.
  4.  The book is updated/generated and then a PDF is generated using Save As 
PDF.
As I said, when I was working in FM10, the PDF had a size of about 3, 3.5M.
The files were recently converted from FM10 to FM12. When I use the above 
process and generate the PDF from FM12, the file size has gone to about 12-13M. 
The files that had been converted from .xml to .fm have not changed since the 
last time I created the PDF in FM10. The rest of the files have changed but not 
in a major way.
In a few days I expect to regenerate those .xml files from the source Excel, so 
maybe something will change. It just seemed weird that the move from FM10 to 
FM12 seemed to result in such a large increase in the PDF size.

I'll keep y'all posted.

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Scott Prentice 
s...@leximation.commailto:s...@leximation.com wrote:
If these files started off as XML or structured files, and the others didn't, 
there could definitely be some extra cruft in there. You probably checked this 
already, but are these files still structured?

I haven't noticed any significant size difference in PDFs from XML from FM11 to 
FM12. I just did a quick test of a single page .. when saved to PDF from FM11 
it's 63KB and from FM12 it's 69 KB .. over 100 pages that might be a difference 
of 60KB. Not a big difference from my perspective.

Doing a similar test with an unstructured file, the FM11 PDF is 34 KB and the 
FM12 PDF is 40KB.

The structured/XML sourced file actually has less content than the unstructured 
file, and the resulting PDF is larger .. so it's possible that your PDFs that 
come from XML may be larger. And there does seem to be an increase in size 
(from both structured and unstructured) in PDFs from FM11 to FM12.

You might check to see if your files are still structured .. removing the 
structure (if that's the intent) might reduce the file size. Also, since these 
files came through a different path, they may have additional 
content/graphics/?? on reference pages which could increase the file size.

Cheers,
...scott
On 2/17/15 9:50 AM, Lin Sims wrote:
After a bit of testing, the increase seems to be linked to 3 files that were 
created using DITAFMx from a batch of xml files that were generated by script 
from an Excel workbook. Interestingly, these files have always been part of the 
document (and inserted in the same way), so I'm not sure why there's a sudden 
file size increase.
I'll be regenerating these files again soon, so I'll see if the increase 
continues. It's still odd.

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:39 PM, David Spreadbury 
dspre...@yahoo.commailto:dspre...@yahoo.com wrote:
Lin,
I just tested your issue opening a 12 page text only structured FM7.2 file and 
saving it as FM12.
Did nothing more than open the FM7.2 in FM12 and then save it as a FM12 
document.
Printed FM12 version using Acro XI Adobe PDF driver.
Distilled postscript to PDF.
FM7.2 file size=358KB Acro 8 PDF=207KB
FM12 file size=8630KB Acro XI PDF=278KB
This was one chapter of a 30+ chapter book.
The Acro8 PDF of the book is 3025KB.
I can open and update all the chapters, but with only 70KB increase in one 
chapter, I would expect a slight increase in the book, but nothing like you are 
experiencing

Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

2015-02-17 Thread Lin Sims
Yes, of course. I wasn't jumping on you--it's a legitimate point. I was
supplying information that I (stupidly) left out before.

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Fair enough.

 But I think it was worthwhile to point out that there are legitimate
 reasons for many of us to have never noticed whatever change may have
 occurred, or to have never spent time investigating if we *did* notice a
 difference. In other words, you might not see a lot of responses to your
 query because many of us have had no need to pay attention to this issue.

 -FR

 --
 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 12:18:11 -0500
 Subject: Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding
 From: ljsims...@gmail.com
 To: docu...@hotmail.com
 CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com


 The PDF has to be posted as a shared review on a cloud web storage site.
 There's a size limit to what you can upload. My company is using corporate
 GMAIL and I have a 30Gb limit on storage, and for now I have to attach a
 shared review enabled PDF to an email to allow reviewers to join the
 review*. Admittedly, this one file isn't going to break either of those
 limits, but it's not something I can keep doing for a long period of time.
 Plus the sudden increase in size worries me. If there's a problem with the
 files, I need to find it before things get hosed (and yes, I did run all
 the files through a MIF wash).

 *I will be testing setting up a shared review by storing the shared review
 PDF on the cloud drive and sending a link instead, but until I do, I know
 this works.

 On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Not to minimize your question, but...

 With the cost of computer storage running about $0.10 per gigabyte for
 hard disk or $0.50 per gigabyte for SSD, I'm not sure it's worthwhile
 worrying about 10 MB more or less. That's less than 1/2 cent's worth of
 storage space. Unless you know your documents are going to be posted on a
 website where a significant number of users do not have anything resembling
 broadband access, spending more than a few seconds worrying about 10 MB in
 file size does not yield a good return on investment.

 -Fred Ridder

 --
 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:26:35 -0500
 Subject: FM12: PDF file size exploding
 From: ljsims...@gmail.com
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com


 Has anyone had an issue with the size of a generated PDF increasing
 dramatically after moving a book from FM10 to FM12 (or any earlier version
 of FM to FM12)?

 I've got a book that's gone from under 3M to over 12M, and that's AFTER
 running the Save as Reduced Size.

 Is this a bug, have I not set something up in either FM12 or Acrobat 10
 correctly, or is there a solution?

 Thanks,

 --
 Lin Sims





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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

2015-02-17 Thread Scott Prentice
If these files started off as XML or structured files, and the others 
didn't, there could definitely be some extra cruft in there. You 
probably checked this already, but are these files still structured?


I haven't noticed any significant size difference in PDFs from XML from 
FM11 to FM12. I just did a quick test of a single page .. when saved to 
PDF from FM11 it's 63KB and from FM12 it's 69 KB .. over 100 pages that 
might be a difference of 60KB. Not a big difference from my perspective.


Doing a similar test with an unstructured file, the FM11 PDF is 34 KB 
and the FM12 PDF is 40KB.


The structured/XML sourced file actually has less content than the 
unstructured file, and the resulting PDF is larger .. so it's possible 
that your PDFs that come from XML may be larger. And there does seem to 
be an increase in size (from both structured and unstructured) in PDFs 
from FM11 to FM12.


You might check to see if your files are still structured .. removing 
the structure (if that's the intent) might reduce the file size. Also, 
since these files came through a different path, they may have 
additional content/graphics/?? on reference pages which could increase 
the file size.


Cheers,
...scott

On 2/17/15 9:50 AM, Lin Sims wrote:
After a bit of testing, the increase seems to be linked to 3 files 
that were created using DITAFMx from a batch of xml files that were 
generated by script from an Excel workbook. Interestingly, these files 
have always been part of the document (and inserted in the same way), 
so I'm not sure why there's a sudden file size increase.


I'll be regenerating these files again soon, so I'll see if the 
increase continues. It's still odd.


On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:39 PM, David Spreadbury dspre...@yahoo.com 
mailto:dspre...@yahoo.com wrote:


Lin,
I just tested your issue opening a 12 page text only structured
FM7.2 file and saving it as FM12.
Did nothing more than open the FM7.2 in FM12 and then save it as a
FM12 document.
Printed FM12 version using Acro XI Adobe PDF driver.
Distilled postscript to PDF.
FM7.2 file size=358KB Acro 8 PDF=207KB
FM12 file size=8630KB Acro XI PDF=278KB
This was one chapter of a 30+ chapter book.
The Acro8 PDF of the book is 3025KB.
I can open and update all the chapters, but with only 70KB
increase in one chapter, I would expect a slight increase in the
book, but nothing like you are experiencing.

Dave


On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 11:18 AM, Lin Sims
ljsims...@gmail.com mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com wrote:


The PDF has to be posted as a shared review on a cloud web storage
site. There's a size limit to what you can upload. My company is
using corporate GMAIL and I have a 30Gb limit on storage, and for
now I have to attach a shared review enabled PDF to an email to
allow reviewers to join the review*. Admittedly, this one file
isn't going to break either of those limits, but it's not
something I can keep doing for a long period of time. Plus the
sudden increase in size worries me. If there's a problem with the
files, I need to find it before things get hosed (and yes, I did
run all the files through a MIF wash).

*I will be testing setting up a shared review by storing the
shared review PDF on the cloud drive and sending a link instead,
but until I do, I know this works.

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com
mailto:docu...@hotmail.com wrote:

Not to minimize your question, but...

With the cost of computer storage running about $0.10 per
gigabyte for hard disk or $0.50 per gigabyte for SSD, I'm not
sure it's worthwhile worrying about 10 MB more or less. That's
less than 1/2 cent's worth of storage space. Unless you know
your documents are going to be posted on a website where a
significant number of users do not have anything resembling
broadband access, spending more than a few seconds worrying
about 10 MB in file size does not yield a good return on
investment.

-Fred Ridder


Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:26:35 -0500
Subject: FM12: PDF file size exploding
From: ljsims...@gmail.com mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com


Has anyone had an issue with the size of a generated PDF
increasing dramatically after moving a book from FM10 to FM12
(or any earlier version of FM to FM12)?

I've got a book that's gone from under 3M to over 12M, and
that's AFTER running the Save as Reduced Size.

Is this a bug, have I not set something up in either FM12 or
Acrobat 10 correctly, or is there a solution?

Thanks,

-- 
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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

2015-02-17 Thread Lin Sims
After a bit of testing, the increase seems to be linked to 3 files that
were created using DITAFMx from a batch of xml files that were generated by
script from an Excel workbook. Interestingly, these files have always been
part of the document (and inserted in the same way), so I'm not sure why
there's a sudden file size increase.

I'll be regenerating these files again soon, so I'll see if the increase
continues. It's still odd.

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:39 PM, David Spreadbury dspre...@yahoo.com
wrote:

 Lin,
 I just tested your issue opening a 12 page text only structured FM7.2 file
 and saving it as FM12.
 Did nothing more than open the FM7.2 in FM12 and then save it as a FM12
 document.
 Printed FM12 version using Acro XI Adobe PDF driver.
 Distilled postscript to PDF.
 FM7.2 file size=358KB Acro 8 PDF=207KB
 FM12 file size=8630KB Acro XI PDF=278KB
 This was one chapter of a 30+ chapter book.
 The Acro8 PDF of the book is 3025KB.
 I can open and update all the chapters, but with only 70KB increase in one
 chapter, I would expect a slight increase in the book, but nothing like you
 are experiencing.

 Dave


  On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 11:18 AM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com
 wrote:



 The PDF has to be posted as a shared review on a cloud web storage site.
 There's a size limit to what you can upload. My company is using corporate
 GMAIL and I have a 30Gb limit on storage, and for now I have to attach a
 shared review enabled PDF to an email to allow reviewers to join the
 review*. Admittedly, this one file isn't going to break either of those
 limits, but it's not something I can keep doing for a long period of time.
 Plus the sudden increase in size worries me. If there's a problem with the
 files, I need to find it before things get hosed (and yes, I did run all
 the files through a MIF wash).

 *I will be testing setting up a shared review by storing the shared review
 PDF on the cloud drive and sending a link instead, but until I do, I know
 this works.

 On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Not to minimize your question, but...

 With the cost of computer storage running about $0.10 per gigabyte for
 hard disk or $0.50 per gigabyte for SSD, I'm not sure it's worthwhile
 worrying about 10 MB more or less. That's less than 1/2 cent's worth of
 storage space. Unless you know your documents are going to be posted on a
 website where a significant number of users do not have anything resembling
 broadband access, spending more than a few seconds worrying about 10 MB in
 file size does not yield a good return on investment.

 -Fred Ridder

 --
 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:26:35 -0500
 Subject: FM12: PDF file size exploding
 From: ljsims...@gmail.com
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com


 Has anyone had an issue with the size of a generated PDF increasing
 dramatically after moving a book from FM10 to FM12 (or any earlier version
 of FM to FM12)?

 I've got a book that's gone from under 3M to over 12M, and that's AFTER
 running the Save as Reduced Size.

 Is this a bug, have I not set something up in either FM12 or Acrobat 10
 correctly, or is there a solution?

 Thanks,

 --
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RE: FM12: PDF file size exploding

2015-02-17 Thread Craig, Alison
Download size is certainly a consideration for my PDFs - a few of our customers 
use old-fashioned 300-1200 baud modems in very isolated areas (upper Amazon, 
rural Vietnam, etc).

Alison


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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 9:04 AM
To: Lin Sims; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FM12: PDF file size exploding

Not to minimize your question, but...

With the cost of computer storage running about $0.10 per gigabyte for hard 
disk or $0.50 per gigabyte for SSD, I'm not sure it's worthwhile worrying about 
10 MB more or less. That's less than 1/2 cent's worth of storage space. Unless 
you know your documents are going to be posted on a website where a significant 
number of users do not have anything resembling broadband access, spending more 
than a few seconds worrying about 10 MB in file size does not yield a good 
return on investment.

-Fred Ridder

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:26:35 -0500
Subject: FM12: PDF file size exploding
From: ljsims...@gmail.commailto:ljsims...@gmail.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Has anyone had an issue with the size of a generated PDF increasing 
dramatically after moving a book from FM10 to FM12 (or any earlier version of 
FM to FM12)?

I've got a book that's gone from under 3M to over 12M, and that's AFTER running 
the Save as Reduced Size.
Is this a bug, have I not set something up in either FM12 or Acrobat 10 
correctly, or is there a solution?
Thanks,

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RE: FM12: PDF file size exploding

2015-02-17 Thread Fred Ridder
Fair enough.

But I think it was worthwhile to point out that there are legitimate reasons 
for many of us to have never noticed whatever change may have occurred, or to 
have never spent time investigating if we *did* notice a difference. In other 
words, you might not see a lot of responses to your query because many of us 
have had no need to pay attention to this issue.

-FR

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 12:18:11 -0500
Subject: Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding
From: ljsims...@gmail.com
To: docu...@hotmail.com
CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com

The PDF has to be posted as a shared review on a cloud web storage site. 
There's a size limit to what you can upload. My company is using corporate 
GMAIL and I have a 30Gb limit on storage, and for now I have to attach a shared 
review enabled PDF to an email to allow reviewers to join the review*. 
Admittedly, this one file isn't going to break either of those limits, but it's 
not something I can keep doing for a long period of time. Plus the sudden 
increase in size worries me. If there's a problem with the files, I need to 
find it before things get hosed (and yes, I did run all the files through a MIF 
wash).

*I will be testing setting up a shared review by storing the shared review PDF 
on the cloud drive and sending a link instead, but until I do, I know this 
works.

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com wrote:



Not to minimize your question, but...

With the cost of computer storage running about $0.10 per gigabyte for hard 
disk or $0.50 per gigabyte for SSD, I'm not sure it's worthwhile worrying about 
10 MB more or less. That's less than 1/2 cent's worth of storage space. Unless 
you know your documents are going to be posted on a website where a significant 
number of users do not have anything resembling broadband access, spending more 
than a few seconds worrying about 10 MB in file size does not yield a good 
return on investment.

-Fred Ridder

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:26:35 -0500
Subject: FM12: PDF file size exploding
From: ljsims...@gmail.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com

Has anyone had an issue with the size of a generated PDF increasing 
dramatically after moving a book from FM10 to FM12 (or any earlier version of 
FM to FM12)?

I've got a book that's gone from under 3M to over 12M, and that's AFTER running 
the Save as Reduced Size.

Is this a bug, have I not set something up in either FM12 or Acrobat 10 
correctly, or is there a solution?

Thanks,
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Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding

2015-02-17 Thread David Spreadbury
Lin,I just tested your issue opening a 12 page text only structured FM7.2 file 
and saving it as FM12.Did nothing more than open the FM7.2 in FM12 and then 
save it as a FM12 document.Printed FM12 version using Acro XI Adobe PDF 
driver.Distilled postscript to PDF.FM7.2 file size=358KB Acro 8 PDF=207KBFM12 
file size=8630KB Acro XI PDF=278KBThis was one chapter of a 30+ chapter 
book.The Acro8 PDF of the book is 3025KB.I can open and update all the 
chapters, but with only 70KB increase in one chapter, I would expect a slight 
increase in the book, but nothing like you are experiencing.
Dave

  On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 11:18 AM, Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com wrote:
  

 The PDF has to be posted as a shared review on a cloud web storage site. 
There's a size limit to what you can upload. My company is using corporate 
GMAIL and I have a 30Gb limit on storage, and for now I have to attach a shared 
review enabled PDF to an email to allow reviewers to join the review*. 
Admittedly, this one file isn't going to break either of those limits, but it's 
not something I can keep doing for a long period of time. Plus the sudden 
increase in size worries me. If there's a problem with the files, I need to 
find it before things get hosed (and yes, I did run all the files through a MIF 
wash).

*I will be testing setting up a shared review by storing the shared review PDF 
on the cloud drive and sending a link instead, but until I do, I know this 
works.

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com wrote:

Not to minimize your question, but...

With the cost of computer storage running about $0.10 per gigabyte for hard 
disk or $0.50 per gigabyte for SSD, I'm not sure it's worthwhile worrying about 
10 MB more or less. That's less than 1/2 cent's worth of storage space. Unless 
you know your documents are going to be posted on a website where a significant 
number of users do not have anything resembling broadband access, spending more 
than a few seconds worrying about 10 MB in file size does not yield a good 
return on investment.

-Fred Ridder

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:26:35 -0500
Subject: FM12: PDF file size exploding
From: ljsims...@gmail.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com

Has anyone had an issue with the size of a generated PDF increasing 
dramatically after moving a book from FM10 to FM12 (or any earlier version of 
FM to FM12)?

I've got a book that's gone from under 3M to over 12M, and that's AFTER running 
the Save as Reduced Size.

Is this a bug, have I not set something up in either FM12 or Acrobat 10 
correctly, or is there a solution?

Thanks,

-- 
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RE: FM12: PDF file size exploding

2015-02-17 Thread Fred Ridder
And I wasn't jumping on you, either, Lin. I wanted to clarify to several others 
who had replied (off-list and on-) that they have similar concerns to yours but 
for different reasons that many (maybe most) FrameMaker users don't pay much 
attention to file size because there's no need for them to do so. Yes, there 
will always be certain circumstances where size matters; but for most of us, it 
simply is what it is.

-FR

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 13:49:51 -0500
Subject: Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding
From: ljsims...@gmail.com
To: docu...@hotmail.com
CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com

Yes, of course. I wasn't jumping on you--it's a legitimate point. I was 
supplying information that I (stupidly) left out before.

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com wrote:



Fair enough.

But I think it was worthwhile to point out that there are legitimate reasons 
for many of us to have never noticed whatever change may have occurred, or to 
have never spent time investigating if we *did* notice a difference. In other 
words, you might not see a lot of responses to your query because many of us 
have had no need to pay attention to this issue.

-FR

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 12:18:11 -0500
Subject: Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding
From: ljsims...@gmail.com
To: docu...@hotmail.com
CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com

The PDF has to be posted as a shared review on a cloud web storage site. 
There's a size limit to what you can upload. My company is using corporate 
GMAIL and I have a 30Gb limit on storage, and for now I have to attach a shared 
review enabled PDF to an email to allow reviewers to join the review*. 
Admittedly, this one file isn't going to break either of those limits, but it's 
not something I can keep doing for a long period of time. Plus the sudden 
increase in size worries me. If there's a problem with the files, I need to 
find it before things get hosed (and yes, I did run all the files through a MIF 
wash).

*I will be testing setting up a shared review by storing the shared review PDF 
on the cloud drive and sending a link instead, but until I do, I know this 
works.

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com wrote:



Not to minimize your question, but...

With the cost of computer storage running about $0.10 per gigabyte for hard 
disk or $0.50 per gigabyte for SSD, I'm not sure it's worthwhile worrying about 
10 MB more or less. That's less than 1/2 cent's worth of storage space. Unless 
you know your documents are going to be posted on a website where a significant 
number of users do not have anything resembling broadband access, spending more 
than a few seconds worrying about 10 MB in file size does not yield a good 
return on investment.

-Fred Ridder

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:26:35 -0500
Subject: FM12: PDF file size exploding
From: ljsims...@gmail.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com

Has anyone had an issue with the size of a generated PDF increasing 
dramatically after moving a book from FM10 to FM12 (or any earlier version of 
FM to FM12)?

I've got a book that's gone from under 3M to over 12M, and that's AFTER running 
the Save as Reduced Size.

Is this a bug, have I not set something up in either FM12 or Acrobat 10 
correctly, or is there a solution?

Thanks,
-- 
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RE: FM12: PDF file size exploding

2015-02-17 Thread Zimmerman, Gary

Yes, there will always be certain circumstances where size matters; but for 
most of us, it simply is what it is.


It's not how big your file is.  It's what you do with it.

;-)



From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 10:59 AM
To: Lin Sims
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FM12: PDF file size exploding

And I wasn't jumping on you, either, Lin. I wanted to clarify to several others 
who had replied (off-list and on-) that they have similar concerns to yours but 
for different reasons that many (maybe most) FrameMaker users don't pay much 
attention to file size because there's no need for them to do so. Yes, there 
will always be certain circumstances where size matters; but for most of us, it 
simply is what it is.

-FR

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 13:49:51 -0500
Subject: Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding
From: ljsims...@gmail.commailto:ljsims...@gmail.com
To: docu...@hotmail.commailto:docu...@hotmail.com
CC: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Yes, of course. I wasn't jumping on you--it's a legitimate point. I was 
supplying information that I (stupidly) left out before.

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Fred Ridder 
docu...@hotmail.commailto:docu...@hotmail.com wrote:
Fair enough.

But I think it was worthwhile to point out that there are legitimate reasons 
for many of us to have never noticed whatever change may have occurred, or to 
have never spent time investigating if we *did* notice a difference. In other 
words, you might not see a lot of responses to your query because many of us 
have had no need to pay attention to this issue.

-FR


Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 12:18:11 -0500
Subject: Re: FM12: PDF file size exploding
From: ljsims...@gmail.commailto:ljsims...@gmail.com
To: docu...@hotmail.commailto:docu...@hotmail.com
CC: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com

The PDF has to be posted as a shared review on a cloud web storage site. 
There's a size limit to what you can upload. My company is using corporate 
GMAIL and I have a 30Gb limit on storage, and for now I have to attach a shared 
review enabled PDF to an email to allow reviewers to join the review*. 
Admittedly, this one file isn't going to break either of those limits, but it's 
not something I can keep doing for a long period of time. Plus the sudden 
increase in size worries me. If there's a problem with the files, I need to 
find it before things get hosed (and yes, I did run all the files through a MIF 
wash).
*I will be testing setting up a shared review by storing the shared review PDF 
on the cloud drive and sending a link instead, but until I do, I know this 
works.

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Fred Ridder 
docu...@hotmail.commailto:docu...@hotmail.com wrote:
Not to minimize your question, but...

With the cost of computer storage running about $0.10 per gigabyte for hard 
disk or $0.50 per gigabyte for SSD, I'm not sure it's worthwhile worrying about 
10 MB more or less. That's less than 1/2 cent's worth of storage space. Unless 
you know your documents are going to be posted on a website where a significant 
number of users do not have anything resembling broadband access, spending more 
than a few seconds worrying about 10 MB in file size does not yield a good 
return on investment.

-Fred Ridder

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 11:26:35 -0500
Subject: FM12: PDF file size exploding
From: ljsims...@gmail.commailto:ljsims...@gmail.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com

Has anyone had an issue with the size of a generated PDF increasing 
dramatically after moving a book from FM10 to FM12 (or any earlier version of 
FM to FM12)?

I've got a book that's gone from under 3M to over 12M, and that's AFTER running 
the Save as Reduced Size.
Is this a bug, have I not set something up in either FM12 or Acrobat 10 
correctly, or is there a solution?
Thanks,

--
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